[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Why was Fauci on Marr?
Hope he didn't bring that mouldy orange blob with him!

No Fauci
is no longer helping Trump.

[arista]

Nottingham, three neighbouring boroughs
and Warrington 'Will all enter Tier Three' this week

[Labour's MP for Nottingham East, Nadia Whittome,
claimed that local officials have been
asked to sign last-minute agreements
about entering Tier Three without any
clear information about how much funding
they will receive to protect jobs and businesses.]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...er-3-week.html

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by arista

No Fauci
is no longer helping Trump.

He is. Trump just doesn't want the advice because he's more worried about the election, than a 9/11 worth of deaths every 3 days. He is still in place and is one of the leading epidemiologists in the world.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

He is. Trump just doesn't want the advice because he's more worried about the election, than a 9/11 worth of deaths every 3 days. He is still in place and is one of the leading epidemiologists in the world.

and what's more, he comes across as a genuinely nice guy

[arista]

Warrington tomorrow goes into Tier 3

Confirmed/Agreed.


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...-says-12115204

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

and what's more, he comes across as a genuinely nice guy

I had never seen him interviewed in UK before yes nice guy

[LeatherTrumpet]

positive note

On the plus side, nobody has died of flu or old age since March.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

positive note

On the plus side, nobody has died of flu or old age since March.

lol

[arista]

[arista]

[arista]

Parts of Nottinghamshire
will also move into Tier 3,
from Thursday.

[arista]

Today 102 have died today

20,890 New Covid-19 cases

Patients in hospital
7,850

Patients in ventilator beds
743

44,998 Total Deaths UK

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[bitontheslide]

it's monday, so the figures will be lower today

[Nicky91]

7,850 is not a bad number (that might seem at first)


but tbh a la Merkel's calculating style, if you more or less get 20k new cases next few months

and you might get into 20.000-40.000 hospitalisations if you're not careful, so stricter measures i do advise to prevent worse than where you guys are now

[arista]

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[arista]

She was being Cocky saying she can have
7 at her Xmas table?

Of Course while working for BBCnews
she must be legal.

So she has now said they will Not be 7 at Xmas

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

She was being Cocky saying she can have
7 at her Xmas table?

Of Course while working for BBCnews
she must be legal.

So she has now said they will Not be 7 at Xmas

promoting herself before her IAC entry I guess

Very irresponsible but she won't be the only one with 7 at the table I am sure

[bitontheslide]

i think the guidelines are going to go to pot at Christmas. Police can't enforce the rule of 6. They will go after large events which there will be plenty of

[Zizu]

Just listening to LBC and it’s grim ..

They’re running with the story below .. the guest experts are painting a very worrying picture.




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[Ammi]

...sorry, just to add to that, Zizu...just because it is connected...

Coronavirus: Antibodies fall rapidly after COVID infection, dashing hopes of herd immunity - study...

So-called herd immunity has been proposed by some scientists as a better alternative to lockdowns in tackling the coronavirus pandemic.

It would require around 50-60% of the population to have protection against the virus so it could no longer transmit efficiently.

However, a major UK study has found that rather than building immunity over time, the number of people with antibodies has fallen by 26% since lockdown was eased over the summer.

Researchers from Imperial College London screened 365,000 people over three rounds of testing between June and September.

Results of the REACT-2 study showed that 6% of people had antibodies to the virus around the time lockdown was eased in late June and early July.

But by the start of the second wave last month, this dropped to just 4.4%.

Professor Helen Ward, one of the researchers, said the new results strongly suggest that herd immunity is unachievable.

"When you think 95 people out of 100 are still likely to be susceptible, we are a long, long way from anything resembling population level protection against onward transmission," she said.

"It's not something you can use as a strategy for infection control [for COVID-19] in the population."

The finding is another blow to scientists behind the controversial Great Barrington Declaration, who had suggested that vulnerable people could be shielded at home while the virus spreads through the young and healthy to build up herd immunity.

The proposal has been strongly criticised by many other scientists.

The researchers found younger people, those from black, Asian and minority ethnic (BAME) communities and health workers had higher antibody levels, possibly because they were in regular contact with infected individuals.

The fall in antibodies suggest people will be regularly re-infected, just as they are with related coronaviruses that cause the common cold.

Professor Wendy Barclay, an infectious diseases specialist and one of the researchers, said antibodies peak three to four weeks after symptoms and then drop away, as they do for related viruses.

She said: "Seasonal coronaviruses that circulate every winter and cause common colds can re-infect people after six to 12 months.

"We suspect that the way the body reacts to infection with this new coronavirus is similar to that."

There have so far only been a handful of documented cases of re-infection.

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Dr Alexander Edwards, associate professor in biomedical technology at the University of Reading, said: "What is not clear is how quickly antibody levels would rise again if a person encounters the virus a second time.

"It is possible they will still rapidly respond, and either have a milder illness, or remain protected through immune memory.

"So even if the rapid antibody test is no longer positive, the person may still be protected from re-infection."

The study, which is yet to be peer reviewed, only measured antibodies.

It is possible that another arm of the immune system called T-cells, may remain active, but there is currently no available test for them.

Scientists are cautious about using the results to predict the protection provided by a vaccine.

They say immunisations may lead to a more robust antibody response.

Health Minister Lord Bethell said the study "is a critical piece of research, helping us to understand the nature of COVID-19 antibodies over time, and improve our understanding about the virus itself".

He added: "We rely on this kind of important research to inform our continued response to the disease, so we can continue to take the right action at the right time.

"It is also important that everyone knows what this means for them - this study will help in our fight against the virus, but testing positive for antibodies does not mean you are immune to COVID-19."

[Ammi]

...a more cynical person...(...obviously that would never be one of us...no, no, no...)...may wonder, did our government opt against herd immunity in the name of immoral etc...or did they realise that it just wasn’t achievable...