[Smithy]

Omg

[Ammi]

...how awful...I hope her husband recovers from his wounds...but to lose her son, just awful...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Omg

Has he been caught or any leads? Because that sounds quite clearly like a hit, probably intended for her, but he couldn't find her quickly enough and would have had to leave the scene due to the noise?

[Ammi]

A lawyer who shot dead a female judge's son before turning the gun on himself had ranted online about "Feminazi rule".
Roy Den Hollander gunned down Judge Esther Salas' son in New Jersey on Sunday and badly wounded her husband.
The gunman dressed as a FedEx delivery man before opening fire at their North Brunswick home, police said.
Den Hollander wrote on his website that the jurist was "a lazy and incompetent Latina judge appointed by Obama".
A package addressed to Judge Salas was found inside his car, sources said.

[Ammi]

...the suspect, Den Hollander...

‘NBC News reports that he also wrote of fantasising about the rape of a female judge who had presided over his divorce case.‘

[bots]

sounds pretty dodgy to me

[Ammi]

...it doesn't sound as though it’s in any way related to the Epstein case...it sounds as though his mental state was concerning and the judge and her family were obviously the focus of a disturbed mindset...

[arista]

[A lawyer who shot dead a female judge's son before
turning the gun on himself had ranted online about "Feminazi rule".
Roy Den Hollander gunned down Judge Esther Salas' son
in New Jersey on Sunday and badly wounded her husband.

The gunman dressed as a FedEx delivery man
before opening fire at their North Brunswick
home, police said.
Den Hollander wrote on his website that the jurist
was "a lazy and incompetent Latina judge appointed
by Obama".
A package addressed to Judge Salas
was found inside his car, sources said.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53480166


Tragic.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...it doesn't sound as though it’s in any way related to the Epstein case...it sounds as though his mental state was concerning and the judge and her family were obviously the focus of a disturbed mindset...

people like that can be easily manipulated unfortunately

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

A lawyer who shot dead a female judge's son before turning the gun on himself had ranted online about "Feminazi rule".
Roy Den Hollander gunned down Judge Esther Salas' son in New Jersey on Sunday and badly wounded her husband.
The gunman dressed as a FedEx delivery man before opening fire at their North Brunswick home, police said.
Den Hollander wrote on his website that the jurist was "a lazy and incompetent Latina judge appointed by Obama".
A package addressed to Judge Salas was found inside his car, sources said.

Horrifying

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Horrifying

....fantasising about raping a female judge who had presided over a case he worked on....jeeez...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

....fantasising about raping a female judge who had presided over a case he worked on....jeeez...

You know what's very telling as well, so many of these guys online who refer to women as "feminazis" like to follow up with threats of rape against said feminazis ...........

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

You know what's very telling as well, so many of these guys online who refer to women as "feminazis" like to follow up with threats of rape against said feminazis ...........

...maybe referring to females as feminazis, helps to dehumanise as well as villain’ise...to feed into the unhealthiness of their fantasies../...well his fantasy, specifically...but yeah, ‘feminazis’ will help to dehumanise, I think...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

people like that can be easily manipulated unfortunately

I agree, my BS detectors are flashing on this one. I have no doubt that this was a very disturbed individual, but such individuals are very easily weaponized and scapegoated. She was assigned to the Epstein stuff a matter of DAYS ago. Too much of a coincidence for me, especially given Epsteins "Oh the guards went on a break at the same time for some reason and the cameras stopped working oh my" death.

[Ammi]

...oh it looks as though he killed himself btw...Den Hollander shot himself after the attack...

[Ammi]

....On his website, Den Hollander describes himself as an "anti-feminist" lawyer who defends "men's rights."....

[Tom4784]

Yeah, this is too suspiciously timed just to be a random attack by a far right lunatic. It's all too.... neatly wrapped up? I agree with BOTS that the guy was likely weaponised, not that it sheds him of guilt, he did the deed and deserves the credit for it but it wouldn't surprise me if there wasn't someone encouraging him to do it.

I'd be very surprised if he did actually shoot himself.

[Ammi]

...she wasn’t really though assigned to any Epstein stuff as such...that’s more a vague thing, it was a class action law suit brought against a bank because it’s alleged to not have been diligent enough with monitoring customers...Epstein was one of many customers and I think has only been named because of his high profile...Isn’t the whole point of the class action lawsuit aimed at ‘dodgy people’ as customers....../...anyways, I don’t think it sounds related and mentioning Epstein as the media have, just clouds it...but we’ll see as more information becomes known...





On Thursday, Salas was assigned to handle a class action lawsuit brought against Deutsche Bank by Ali Karimi on behalf of investors who purchased securities from the bank between November 7, 2017, and July 6, 2020. The complaint alleges that the bank "failed to properly monitor customers that the Bank itself deemed to be high risk, including, among others, the convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein," federal court records show.

[Niamh.]

You can just imagine who was on Epsteins lists for this amount of strings being pulled

[user104658]

"After the attack, he shot himself in the back of the head. Twice."

(Note: This is not an actual part of the story, but I really would NOT be surprised.)


The whole thing reminds me a LOT of poor Jill Dando, who was assassinated on her doorstep... someone was scapegoated... that was eventually overturned but enough time had passed that no one really bothered to look into what actually happened to her (which is that she was killed because she was investigating BBC paedophiles and clearly turned over a rock she shouldn't have).

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

You can just imagine who was on Epsteins lists for this amount of strings being pulled

The insane thing is that we KNOW. We know a tonne of high-profile people that were clearly on his lists. The alarming part is that may be the tip of the iceberg and you have to wonder which names are on there that have managed to stay more discreet.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

"After the attack, he shot himself in the back of the head. Twice."

(Note: This is not an actual part of the story, but I really would NOT be surprised.)


The whole thing reminds me a LOT of poor Jill Dando, who was assassinated on her doorstep... someone was scapegoated... that was eventually overturned but enough time had passed that no one really bothered to look into what actually happened to her (which is that she was killed because she was investigating BBC paedophiles and clearly turned over a rock she shouldn't have).

But on a serious yeah, it's scary, it all sounds like such a crazy conspiracy theory starting to be looking true. This stuff needs to be exposed

[Ammi]

...but why would the family of a judge who was assigned a class action lawsuit, which isn’t really related to Epstein as such, be the ‘target’.... maybe I’m having a slow day but I just don’t get the connection at all because it’s not really Epstein related...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

But on a serious yeah, it's scary, it all sounds like such a crazy conspiracy theory starting to be looking true. This stuff needs to be exposed

Who knows - maybe it's all related? Maybe Jill Dando knocked over a Prince-Andrew-Shaped rock when she was investigating allegations at the beeb.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The insane thing is that we KNOW. We know a tonne of high-profile people that were clearly on his lists. The alarming part is that may be the tip of the iceberg and you have to wonder which names are on there that have managed to stay more discreet.

Yeah I guess the two people that immediately spring to mind alone could be the major "string pullers" by themselves, they seem completely untouchable though. It's ****ing depressing actually