[arista]

[MTVN]

All feeling very deja vu from when Boris went in - 'precautionary measure', 'in good spirits' etc

Hope it doesn't get to the same stage

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by MTVN

All feeling very deja vu from when Boris went in - 'precautionary measure', 'in good spirits' etc

Hope it doesn't get to the same stage

yeah, i think its the same tone but speeded up ... if he has a fever he may already have had it for a week

[AnnieK]

He's being treated with an experimental cocktail of drugs. I hope he does recover quickly and its precautionary. Still echo my earlier statement that he takes the advised precautions more seriously in future

[bitontheslide]

i think the fact that they are giving him an anti body injection that has only ever been given to 250 people, that there is a problem

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Again I'm not the one accusing leaders of being 'monsters', 'dangerously incompetent' and having 'enabled widespread death' so I don't need to say the same - I haven't used that language about anyone because I think it's disproportionate and irresponsible

There's two issues here - one is how well/badly Trump has handled the pandemic; the second is whether he deserves to die for it. I am solely arguing on the second one: that he does not deserve to die.

I don't think he "deserves" to die but he's in his mid 70's, a large catalyst in a historic rift in American society, a white supremacist and an alleged (in my opinion probable) sex offender possibly including minors.

So while I'm not on board with "wishing" death on people, if Baby Jesus came down and said "Guys, dad says someone has to die or he's gonna do rapture" ... I'm just saying ... there are worse picks.

[UserSince2005]

my trumpy he needs to pull through. America would be nothing without him.
What a true hero.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i think the fact that they are giving him an anti body injection that has only ever been given to 250 people, that there is a problem

Maybe because he's bad, maybe because he's stupid and powerful and has insisted on "all the best cutting edge stuff". With Trump it could honestly be either. I think he's proven himself to be naive enough about health to believe that taking every experimental treatment going is a good idea - and insisting on it would be pretty on-brand.

[Amy Jade]

asif people are still arguing over if masks are helping to protect from covid.

They are. It is a scientific fact.

[arista]

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by MTVN

All feeling very deja vu from when Boris went in - 'precautionary measure', 'in good spirits' etc

Hope it doesn't get to the same stage

Nobody is taken into hospital if symptoms are mild

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

asif people are still arguing over if masks are helping to protect from covid.

They are. It is a scientific fact.

Zips wholeheartedly agrees m'lady.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Again I'm not the one accusing leaders of being 'monsters', 'dangerously incompetent' and having 'enabled widespread death' so I don't need to say the same - I haven't used that language about anyone because I think it's disproportionate and irresponsible

There's two issues here - one is how well/badly Trump has handled the pandemic; the second is whether he deserves to die for it. I am solely arguing on the second one: that he does not deserve to die.

I'm not accusing him of those things, he is those things. He is dangerously incompetent, he has enabled widespread death. If it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck, it's a duck. It's not dangerous or irresponsible to hold a leader accountable for his actions, and his actions have had grave irreversible consequences for so many people that have lost loved ones.

To me, he is no different to Kim Jong Un, or Putin or any other monster in a position of power and I doubt you would ever show those leaders the same consideration you're showing Trump now. I don't pretend to feel sorry for cruel people when karma comes a-knocking. If he dies, it'll be no one's fault but his own and I'll be glad that the world would be rid of him.

[arista]

[arista]

[arista]

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Nobody is taken into hospital if symptoms are mild

Hang on they taking him there
as he trying some new Experimental Meds
that needs a Proper Hospital as back up.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

If its true then I wish him a speedy recovery but the fact he was the one who announced it, makes me very suspicious.

...I’m still sceptical with it all../..the timing of it etc...and how quickly he’s apparently deteriorated ...it was said that any determination if it was to happen, would be in around 10 days or so...similar to Boris...but it seems to have happened within hours...something that appears to be baffling many people...anyways, sceptical has been his game and way with COVID...so he’s very much been a promoter and supporter of sceptical...

[Ammi]

If we’ve learned anything over the last four years, it’s that Donald Trump is a despicable human being and that calling him a “human being” may be too kind. Child separation, attacks on widows, “suckers” and “losers,” indifference about 200,000 dead Americans—you know his greatest hits. But on Tuesday night, during the first presidential debate, Trump apparently thought that the best way to reach undecided voters would be by making the case that he’s truly one of the worst people on earth and that there is no contest between him and Joe Biden vis-ŕ-vis who is several rungs below pond scum on the asshole scale.

Hitting Trump on the report that he called dead soldiers “suckers” and “losers,” Biden told the president, “The way you talk about the military, the way you talk about them being losers and just being suckers—my son was in Iraq. He spent a year there. He got the Bronze Star. He got the Conspicuous Service medal. He was not a loser. He was a patriot, and the people left behind there were heroes.”

“Are you talking about Hunter?” Trump snarled.

“I’m talking about my son Beau Biden,” the former vice president said, referring to his son who died of brain cancer five years ago.

“I don’t know Beau,” Trump said without skipping a beat before launching into an attack on Biden’s son who is living, and whom he tried desperately to convince Ukraine to smear last year. “I know Hunter. Hunter got thrown out of the military. He was thrown out, dishonorably discharged…for cocaine use, and he didn’t have a job until you became vice president.”

While no one would have thought any less of Biden if he’d crossed the stage to sock Trump in the mouth, instead he offered a response that very likely connected with a lot of people in the country in a way that the current president never could, particularly considering America is still in the middle of an opioid crisis. “My son, like a lot of people, like a lot of people we know at home, had a drug problem,” Biden said. “He’s overtaken it. He’s fixed it. He’s worked on it. And I’m proud of him. I’m proud of my son.”

In sum, if viewers took one thing away from the debate, it’s probably that Donald Trump is a terrible person who has zero compunction about trashing someone’s son as they’re speaking about another child they tragically lost to brain cancer.


https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020...den-beau-biden

[Ammi]

...lest we forget, as they say...

[Ammi]

..’Americans react with anger, frustration and lack of concern’...

...apparently not all of his own people wish him well and they’ve lived with him.../...he’s impacted more on their lives...

[Ammi]

...he really has been callous about many lives in many ways ...although I don’t ‘wish’ on anyone...even those who actually take lives in the most horrendous ways, I wouldn't feel sorrow but I could never ‘wish’...it would go against everything I believe in...but I also understand the strength of negative feeling about him because of the low value he himself has placed on human life that he personally doesn’t approve of, for whatever reasons he hasn’t approved of ...someone who would build his wall and would have tagged and dehumanised ...will then inevitably have a wall of emotion and caring, built around him ...even before his time as president, he’s shown such low character ...he screeched for the death penalty of the Central Park 5../...5 innocent men...and when they were found beyond all doubt and actuality to be innocent...he’s refused to acknowledge that innocence or apologise to them..he maintains that he was right to scream ‘Yay’ for their death sentences...it’s understandable that someone of such grim character who has placed such little value on the lives of others in different way, has frozen much positive emotion toward him that would have been there for others ...and there is still scepticism as well to be added to that...

[Ammi]

..Twitter removing tweets that hope Trump dies of COVID.../... how Donald Trump's coronavirus infection blew up social media...



https://uk.yahoo.com/finance/news/do...020709651.html

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Again I'm not the one accusing leaders of being 'monsters', 'dangerously incompetent' and having 'enabled widespread death' so I don't need to say the same - I haven't used that language about anyone because I think it's disproportionate and irresponsible

There's two issues here - one is how well/badly Trump has handled the pandemic; the second is whether he deserves to die for it. I am solely arguing on the second one: that he does not deserve to die.

I have called our PM and in fact his best whole Cabinet dangerously incompetent and in my view, along with many other families, his lack of provision and action did enable the deaths of elderly, who were among the most vulnerable anyway, in Care homes.

The incompetence of not preparing proper testing and supplies of adequate protection equipment being largely the cause of those deaths.

Trump has dismissed and talked utter dangerous nonsense on this virus.
Plus thrown caution to the wind for himself and to others too.
At his rallies.

However, I'll repeat, I wished Johnson a good recovery when he had it, despite my total contempt for the man as a leader.
In fact I don't think he'd fully over it yet.

So much for those who say it's just a flu.

Earlier I said I hoped Trump will get over this too.
I never wish death on anyone.
I also stated clearly I'd never wish this virus on anyone.
I've lost people to it and know how cruel, hateful and destructive it is.

However, we have to judge all leaders, on competence, care and justice from what they do when they win power.
So I will restate I do consider both the leader of the USA and our PM as having been dangerously incompetent.
I do in part hold Johnson and his government responsible for the environment that lost so many deaths of those who needed protection in Care homes.
I'll stand by all that and never think it disproportionate and irresponsible.

This is a truly evil virus.
The destruction it leaves can be life changing fir life and that's even if you survive from a vulnerable grouping.
Something Trump has played down.

However again, as I did with our incompetent leader, I hope again for the USA incompetent on this pandemic leader.
A full recovery and as soon as possible.
Because this is a very destructive virus, which IF it really gets hold of you, is cruel and frightening as well as likely fatal too.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...lest we forget, as they say...

All great and very strong posting there Ammi.
Well presented.