[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by arista

[COVID news live: UK daily covid figures.
Government set to announce mandatory vaccines
for frontline NHS workers
as Europe becomes only region with virus 'increasing']


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I cannot put into words how much I am against this. I get the idea, dont get me wrong but I find it really unfair and crap. We should not be able to mandate medical treatment. And yes, it is mandating for people who work in that field in reality isn't it, before the 'you dont have to get it, you could quit!' crap starts.

Hopefully the covid nonsense has died down by then. Its going to be here forever. And yes people should have the option of being as safe as possible. But there should always be a choice.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I cannot put into words how much I am against this. I get the idea, dont get me wrong but I find it really unfair and crap. We should not be able to mandate medical treatment. And yes, it is mandating for people who work in that field in reality isn't it, before the 'you dont have to get it, you could quit!' crap starts.

Hopefully the covid nonsense has died down by then. Its going to be here forever. And yes people should have the option of being as safe as possible. But there should always be a choice.

They will be moved away
from Patients.
Thats Logical.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by arista

They will be moved away
from Patients.
Thats Logical.

I dont understand how this is possible for all roles in healthcare?

My mother was going to go back to work next year, just picking up 'bank' (?) shifts whenever she fancied it as shes retired but bored. Shes now waiting to see what happens with this mandatory medical treatment **** before doing it. As shes very against it. Not necessarily getting vaccinated, but being pressured into it. I cannot see how they can claim consent was given when they put people in that situation.

Mind shes been saying this for a few months now, since she first heard of carehome staff being pressured into it.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by arista

They will be moved away
from Patients.
Thats Logical.

Doing the hospital gardens ?


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[smudgie]

So now we have a tablet that does the trick.

[arista]

Originally Posted by smudgie

So now we have a tablet that does the trick.

Yes if you are ill with Covid-19
you take the Merck Pill to recover.
USA is now happy with it.


And the UK has approved it.

[arista]

[michael21]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes if you are ill with Covid-19
you take the Merck Pill to recover.
USA is now happy with it.


And the UK has approved it.

There a bit big

[bitontheslide]

yeah a lot of people will have trouble swallowing them

[Alf]

Hydroxychloriquine and Ivermectim cure Covid, but big pharma doesn't make any money of them and that's why they're not promoted. Trump told you right at the start.

The media will be put in prison for keeping this information from the public when the trails for crimes against humanity start.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes if you are ill with Covid-19
you take the Merck Pill to recover.
USA is now happy with it.


And the UK has approved it.

The holy cure.

Being serious though I really will try to stock up on this **** as much as possible.

[arista]

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Alf

Hydroxychloriquine and Ivermectim cure Covid, but big pharma doesn't make any money of them and that's why they're not promoted. Trump told you right at the start.

The media will be put in prison for keeping this information from the public when the trails for crimes against humanity start.

The AZ vaccine is non profit

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The AZ vaccine is non profit

As of July of this year it had made Ł900m, according to The Guardian, is none of that profit?

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Alf

As of July of this year it had made Ł900m, according to The Guardian, is none of that profit?

If all net profit goes back into research and development (facilities, equipment, staff, manufacturing centres) etc. then it does not become gross profit. When people talk about “non profit” they mean that individuals/owners/shareholders are not making a private profit from that company (beyond their salary). For example I work for a very small non-profit independent organisation, it’s obviously not that there’s “no money involved”, but all income goes into salaries, pensions, office space and equipment etc. and then any surplus is used to either host events (pre-covid that is, we haven’t gone back to doing any physical events yet) and growing the company. So basically it means that bigger profits one year doesn’t mean that any individual ends up with more money in their bank account.

Welcome to GCSE economics with Toy Soldier.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

If all net profit goes back into research and development (facilities, equipment, staff, manufacturing centres) etc. then it does not become gross profit. When people talk about “non profit” they mean that individuals/owners/shareholders are not making a private profit from that company (beyond their salary). For example I work for a very small non-profit independent organisation, it’s obviously not that there’s “no money involved”, but all income goes into salaries, pensions, office space and equipment etc. and then any surplus is used to either host events (pre-covid that is, we haven’t gone back to doing any physical events yet) and growing the company. So basically it means that bigger profits one year doesn’t mean that any individual ends up with more money in their bank account.

Welcome to GCSE economics with Toy Soldier.

And is that the case wth the AZ? I'm not doubting it, I'm just asking to find out.

[Nicky91]

i might get my first jab upcoming tuesday


but only if i can get pfizer



lucky for me i don't need to make appointments, but we will still ask what time is least busy, and lucky for me it is in the open air, and closer to home at a testing location

[Nicky91]

UGH


annoying woman on the phone now, who clearly knows nothing, saying there are only few days for people without appointments

NOT

in eindhoven, my city which we clearly said we are from, are every day of the week available for people without appointments



however also Moderna available and not a 100% guarantee of pfizer **** you stupid hellhole what netherlands is

give that moderna poisonous rubbish to willem engel and those toxic anti-vaxxer scum




i only WANT pfizer and nothing else

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Alf

And is that the case wth the AZ? I'm not doubting it, I'm just asking to find out.

AZ isn't a not-for-profit company but they are providing the AZ vaccine doses on a not-for-profit basis (i.e. only charging the cost of development and manufacturing) - that's why doses are something like Ł2 compared to Pfizer's $30. They're not doing it out of the goodness of their heart though - the idea was that it would be sold at cost "during the pandemic" and then at full price at some point (assuming Covid vaccines become seasonal like Flu vaccine) and they did it for general "PR reasons" as well ... which have basically completely backfired (because of the blood clot drama). I think they've actually made a net loss because of that.

So it's a bit more complicated with AZ. It's not a non-profit, it's a publicly traded company (AZN) so they were essentially gambling on making profits via increasing their share value with their "good deeds" (it hasn't gone well). The vaccine itself however was produced on a non-profit basis and they haven't directly made money from it.

[Toy Soldier]

Pfizer on the other hand has made a lot of direct profit. Well into the billions of dollars.

[bitontheslide]

the idea simply was that by charging it at cost, it makes it affordable as it can be across the world which is an admirable sentiment. Pfizer and Moderna went for the bucks from the start.

The other aspect about AZ is that it doesnt need specialist freezers to keep it viable. Remote locations around the world just dont have the correct equipment

In fairness the russian vaccine can be shipped in solid format and is also cheap and equally effective so they have actually done the world a favour too although not much is heard about that

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the idea simply was that by charging it at cost, it makes it affordable as it can be across the world which is an admirable sentiment. Pfizer and Moderna went for the bucks from the start.

To be honest I think it would be a bit naive to think that AZ (as a company) were acting purely out of altruism... they were banking on their stock prices surging. Unfortunately for them, the "blood clot panic" and also the drama with manufacturing and the tit-for-tat with Europe has made that a bit shakier. They tanked a bit in early 2021 although it looks like they've actually been climbing steadily since April. I guess all I'm saying is, don't assume they aren't going for the bucks just because the actual price tag is low.

I guess as a comparison - something to note is that both Sony and Microsoft sell consoles at launch as close to manufacturing and shipping cost as possible or sometimes even at a loss. That's not because they're passionate about affordable gaming... it's because being the biggest brand brings lots of profit in other forms down the track.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

To be honest I think it would be a bit naive to think that AZ (as a company) were acting purely out of altruism... they were banking on their stock prices surging. Unfortunately for them, the "blood clot panic" and also the drama with manufacturing and the tit-for-tat with Europe has made that a bit shakier. They tanked a bit in early 2021 although it looks like they've actually been climbing steadily since April. I guess all I'm saying is, don't assume they aren't going for the bucks just because the actual price tag is low.

I guess as a comparison - something to note is that both Sony and Microsoft sell consoles at launch as close to manufacturing and shipping cost as possible or sometimes even at a loss. That's not because they're passionate about affordable gaming... it's because being the biggest brand brings lots of profit in other forms down the track.

the AZ vaccine is branded differently in india, but it's still the identical vaccine and it has been given in the majority in india, so given that Pfizer and Moderna are not given in China, India or Russia ... they are not in the same league population wise as the big 3. I think the russian or chinese vaccine is given in brazil too ... none of the western stuff there

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

To be honest I think it would be a bit naive to think that AZ (as a company) were acting purely out of altruism... they were banking on their stock prices surging. Unfortunately for them, the "blood clot panic" and also the drama with manufacturing and the tit-for-tat with Europe has made that a bit shakier. They tanked a bit in early 2021 although it looks like they've actually been climbing steadily since April. I guess all I'm saying is, don't assume they aren't going for the bucks just because the actual price tag is low.

I guess as a comparison - something to note is that both Sony and Microsoft sell consoles at launch as close to manufacturing and shipping cost as possible or sometimes even at a loss. That's not because they're passionate about affordable gaming... it's because being the biggest brand brings lots of profit in other forms down the track.

Yes that was fortunate for some eh..great timing.

[arista]

In the USA a 2nd Pill for Covid

Pfizer says antiviral pill 89% effective in high risk cases

[The UK has already ordered 250,000 courses
of the new Pfizer treatment]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59178291