[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Ammi

.....we should have a how long is your hair, thread...mine is seriously scary now but I somehow quite like it...

Rapunzel Rapunzel let down your hair.

Xxxx

[Smithy]

I think it’s stupid to say in March we’re doing this, in April this and in May this, so much can happen in that space of time, and people only hear WERE OPENING THIS IN MAY and ignore the fine print of - assuming cases remain low - then if it doesn’t happen they kick off

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Smithy

I think it’s stupid to say in March we’re doing this, in April this and in May this, so much can happen in that space of time, and people only hear WERE OPENING THIS IN MAY and ignore the fine print of - assuming cases remain low - then if it doesn’t happen they kick off

Yeah I agree. And didnt Boris actually say at one of the briefings they need to go more with data rather than dates? I'm sure I remember him saying that a few weeks back because Nicola sturgeon had said similar round about the same time

[parmnion]

Boris will ruin 2021 tomorrow..

Thousands upon thousands of men will be willing him to open the pubs, but all hes gonna do is allow the mother in law to come round and visit.

[DouglasS]

Originally Posted by Kate!

but they are only at a manageable level because of the current restrictions. It will zoom back up again if they are relaxed. Too soon.

People have to live life though... you can’t expect kids to just skip school and be uneducated... it’s unfair to ask for uni students to lose all their years at uni which many say are the best years of your life... you can’t also expect people to give up their businesses...

Once all the 50+s and vulnerable are vaccinated and deaths fall below 100 a day it should open up completely in my opinion, we have to live with covid, people will die just like the flu and many other diseases. A sad part of life is that people die... you can’t stop that. Every disease had an origin and began somewhere we can’t stop the world because some people die... once vaccination has hit all
Vulnerable people things must start again, that’s the best we can do, there will still sadly be some casualties but it’s the same with all diseases, at least the vaccination will improve peoples odds massively (apparently prevent deaths by around 95% which is fantastic)

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

People have to live life though... you can’t expect kids to just skip school and be uneducated... it’s unfair to ask for uni students to lose all their years at uni which many say are the best years of your life... you can’t also expect people to give up their businesses...

Once all the 50+s and vulnerable are vaccinated and deaths fall below 100 a day it should open up completely in my opinion, we have to live with covid, people will die just like the flu and many other diseases. A sad part of life is that people die... you can’t stop that. Every disease had an origin and began somewhere we can’t stop the world because some people die... once vaccination has hit all
Vulnerable people things must start again, that’s the best we can do, there will still sadly be some casualties but it’s the same with all diseases, at least the vaccination will improve peoples odds massively (apparently prevent deaths by around 95% which is fantastic)

We can close the thread now.:

[joeysteele]

I hope I'm wrong.
I'm not happy anyway to think schools will be open from March 8th.

When it's concretely safe to start relaxing then yes.

However, it seems like it's being prepared of better news short term for those advocating opening up sooner.
Not bothered about more possible unnecessary deaths.

The news is full today of promising early data on lower transmission after vaccination, the important word there ,EARLY.
Early is not a clear or fuller picture.

Yet that may be used to say, things can open up a little more quickly than planned.

We've had Hancock, saying now infections falling faster than in the first lockdown.
That's rich considering he didn't seem to have a clue what was going on during the first lockdown anyway.

So the rhetoric is starting now to present a seemingly safer position.

On, ' early' data.
That ought not to be enough at all.

Obviously I'll wait to see what he says.
I'll not prejudge on what I expect to hear now.
If he opens schools on March 8th, I'll think it wrong, especially if he opens them all.
However he's not alone there, Starmer is likely to support that too.
Which I too consider bad judgement on Starmer's part too.

If he opens up more, before April at least, then in my view he has likely learned next to nothing in near a year now sadly.
I believe he will going on a dangerous path again.
With probably more unnecessary losses of loved ones lives and more left with likely long covid in their lives too.

[Cherie]

Schools are opening albeit partially in Scotland and Wales tomorrow, we have to loosen at some point, infections will rise but hopefully the vaccines will keep admissions and deaths controlled

[joeysteele]

We only went into lockdown on 6th January.

I don't agree either with Wales and Scotland opening schools either.

Of course we have to open up, for me only when it's really safe to.

I don't want to lose any more people or see any loved ones ending up with long covid either.
(Oh yes I hear the groans).
Something they're still gathering the data on as to.
People have suffered months and some may for life with long covid.

Are people happy to see that happen just to open things up more quickly?

The vaccines neither stop those vaccinated getting the virus nor yet not transmitting it to others.

There's still too many ifs, maybes and incomplete data it seems in my view.

[DouglasS]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

We only went into lockdown on 6th January.

I don't agree either with Wales and Scotland opening schools either.

Of course we have to open up, for me only when it's really safe to.

I don't want to lose any more people or see any loved ones ending up with long covid either.
(Oh yes I hear the groans).
Something they're still gathering the data on as to.
People have suffered months and some may for life with long covid.

Are people happy to see that happen just to open things up more quickly?

The vaccines neither stop those vaccinated getting the virus nor yet not transmitting it to others.

There's still too many ifs, maybes and incomplete data it seems in my view.

It’s not that we want people to die.. it’s that we can’t close off life forever. It’s just like saying let’s ban driving because people die in car crashes.. do you want those people to die because of driving? Or do you also agree we should ban all driving...

There comes a point where we have to accept a level of risk in life, and sadly this point is nearing. People are always going to die and we cannot stop that, that is true in all walks of life and will be with coronavirus also. All we can do it vaccinate all vulnerable and all elderly and middle aged and that should help slow down the deaths drastically, but unfortunately not everyone can be saved and also the cost of lockdown financially and mentally will soon begin to have a large impact on the vast majority of the public

[GoldHeart]

I just hope we don't go backwards

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I think he taking advice and will act accordingly , after all he has all the facts ,not us. We need to start opening up but what do I know more than they do ? simple answer is I dont ,none of us do.

He’s had facts that he’s ignored before so still doesn’t fill me with much hope.

Teachers need to be vaccinated before schools open yet there’s not been any mention of that. To me that’s basic common sense.

I can see the same thing happening as last year. Everything opens back up and rates will sky rocket again.

If every adult is to be offered a vaccine by the end of July then common sense would tell you to keep things closed or extremely limited until then.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

It’s not that we want people to die.. it’s that we can’t close off life forever. It’s just like saying let’s ban driving because people die in car crashes.. do you want those people to die because of driving? Or do you also agree we should ban all driving...

There comes a point where we have to accept a level of risk in life, and sadly this point is nearing. People are always going to die and we cannot stop that, that is true in all walks of life and will be with coronavirus also. All we can do it vaccinate all vulnerable and all elderly and middle aged and that should help slow down the deaths drastically, but unfortunately not everyone can be saved and also the cost of lockdown financially and mentally will soon begin to have a large impact on the vast majority of the public

You can't equate driving deaths with this virus.
This virus is something no one ever expected to come across in this way in their lives.

The loss of loved ones to this is devastating.
Even moreso when their lives shouldn't have been lost.

Driving a vehicle in an accident caused by the driver or another driver, are tragedies, yes avoidable at times, but down to the individuals.

Younger people do get covid too, we're only learning the numbers and the horror of now long covid too even on them.
All from this virus.

The more society is opened up, the more likely infections will rise again.
Very few have even had their second vaccinations yet.

There's still a way to go even with the vaccines, which DON'T stop transmission, from the elderly to the younger and vice versa.
With all that, I will not be convinced any further risk of unnecessary deaths should be put in place.

You'll never agree just as I'll never agree with you that while deaths are sad they may happen, the ones that are and could and should be avoidable that is..
Not if there's ways to prevent unnecessary deaths, no way

HOWEVER I want no one else, not ONE person or family, friends and neighbours, as I and my family have, ( oh yes that just gets groans and derision, I'm used to it now), to lose to this accursed virus any loved one of theirs unnecessarily.
Which shouldn't even be likely, after a year of supposed dealing with and learning about it.

So I'd say no, to any relaxation for that bit extra time to bring things right down even further to much lower levels on ALL counts.

[Glenn.]

Imagine comparing dying of COVID to a car accident

[Scarlett.]

What time will be unveiling it? I hope he's not gonna make us wait til 5pm

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Scarlett.

What time will be unveiling it? I hope he's not gonna make us wait til 5pm

I think he's in parliament during the day explaining it, then he'll be likely at a press conference with his expert advisory bookends at 5pm, or thereabouts.

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[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by arista

Lol....so they will let 30+ kids sit in a small classroom from 8th but they cant play football outside in less numbers till end of march? Where is the science to support that?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Scarlett.

What time will be unveiling it? I hope he's not gonna make us wait til 5pm

On TV News at 3:30PM in Parliament

But that then goes on
and can delay the normal 5PM Slot.

So his 10 Downing St
speech could be later
buggering up 7PM TV Slots, again.


Ref: Times Radio DAB