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Old 17-08-2021, 07:10 AM #301
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If the Afghan soldiers won’t fight for their own country why should people expect Americans soldiers to fight and die
They needed the confidence of still having the air power.

Why were we there in the first place???
President Bush DID make this about Nation building once he got there.

I care about the terrifying fear and already losses of life which I'll guess far more to come of the civilians.
I know on here, losses of others lives don't matter to some.

Have you listened to those veterans of serving in Afghanistan who are near all saying they feel even betrayed, their injuries,the losses of their comrades lives being for nothing.

Or do their opinions not matter to you either.
I mean they are the ones who got to know the area, the people and served there.

We've contributed to the mess of this withdrawal which was badly planned, monitored terribly despite advancement of technology.

The government in place,ground forces still supported with air power.
That could have been the ideal way to begin leaving.
Not just walk away as the USA and UK did.

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germany and france have already said they are not going to take a load of refugees, turkey is building a big wall, so i think it's going to be different this time round
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The Netherlands will attempt to remove hundreds of people from Afghanistan in the next few days after the Taliban seized power in Kabul.

President Ashraf Ghani fled the country on Sunday evening as Taliban troops entered the presidential palace and western countries, including the United States, abandoned their embassies.

At least five people were killed in chaotic scenes at Kabul airport as crowds of Afghans filled the runway and tried to climb on board moving planes in a desperate attempt to flee the country. US troops fired warning shots and deployed helicopters to try to clear the tarmac, after taking over operational control of the airport.

Caretaker prime minister Mark Rutte said the Netherlands was working to repatriate embassy staff and safeguard Afghan support workers, such as interpreters. Some Dutch citizens earlier flew out of Kabul on board a Ukrainian plane along with Croatian, Belarusian and Afghan nationals, Ukraineís foreign minister Dmytro Kuleba said.

Ď[The situation in] Afghanistan is highly unpredictable and very concerning,í Rutte said. ĎWe are doing all we can to get embassy staff, interpreters and others who deserve our protection out of there, but it is extremely complicated.í

Dutch aid worker Louis Marijnissen told NOS that the speed of the Taliban offensive had taken people in Kabul by surprise. ĎSo far people have been following the orders of the leaders and Taliban fighters donít seem to be taking revenge on the population,í said Marijnissen, who works for Johanniter International Assistance.

Marijnissen said he was hoping to leave on a Dutch evacuation flight, but was unsure if he would be able to get to the airport, a mile from his home. ĎWe donít know how the Taliban fighters [at the checkpoints] will react,í he said.

The first Dutch military aircraft left for Kabul on Monday morning, but it was unclear when they would be able to land because of the situation on the ground.

Another Dutch aid worker, Martine Langerak, managed to leave Kabul on a British flight on Sunday night through her organisation Afghanaid. Planes were able to take off and land on the military runway, she said. ĎBut on the other side itís complete chaos. Lots of people are trying to leave the country, but there is no control at the airport.í

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If the Afghan soldiers wonít fight for their own country why should people expect Americans soldiers to fight and die
The last American to die in Afghanistan was in February 2020

The Afghan army has lost 40,000 troops in the last few years fighting the Taliban

Biden making out the only choice was between a prolonged bloody conflict and this **** up is totally false, they could have maintained a modest presence there just the same way they still have a presence in South Korea without being involved in war there. That speech last night was one of the most shameful a president has ever made - no mention of the sacrifices made by Afghans, no sympathy for their plight, no acknowledgement of the efforts made by American allies and other countries. Just a lot of passing the buck and blaming everyone else. Then to top it all off he refuses to take any questions and then goes straight back to Camp David to continue his holiday!
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The last American to die in Afghanistan was in February 2020

The Afghan army has lost 40,000 troops in the last few years fighting the Taliban

Biden making out the only choice was between a prolonged bloody conflict and this **** up is totally false, they could have maintained a modest presence there just the same way they still have a presence in South Korea without being involved in war there. That speech last night was one of the most shameful a president has ever made - no mention of the sacrifices made by Afghans, no sympathy for their plight, no acknowledgement of the efforts made by American allies and other countries. Just a lot of passing the buck and blaming everyone else. Then to top it all off he refuses to take any questions and then goes straight back to Camp David to continue his holiday!
yes, the points he made were factually correct, but it was very selective to suit his own propaganda. He has support from the american people at the moment, but if there are any subsequent terror attacks in the usa that will quickly change
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Germany and France have already said they are not going to take a load of refugees, Turkey is building a big wall, so i think it's going to be different this time round
Yes times have changed.
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Taliban have stated their own Nationals should not leave
their great country.

Well if they Worked for the USA and UK
or other nations, they
were against the enemy, the Taliban
and if that is found out
they could be Killed.
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The last American to die in Afghanistan was in February 2020

The Afghan army has lost 40,000 troops in the last few years fighting the Taliban

Biden making out the only choice was between a prolonged bloody conflict and this **** up is totally false, they could have maintained a modest presence there just the same way they still have a presence in South Korea without being involved in war there. That speech last night was one of the most shameful a president has ever made - no mention of the sacrifices made by Afghans, no sympathy for their plight, no acknowledgement of the efforts made by American allies and other countries. Just a lot of passing the buck and blaming everyone else. Then to top it all off he refuses to take any questions and then goes straight back to Camp David to continue his holiday!
America had an agreement with the taliban to withdraw thatís why the American troops have not been killed, what do you think would happen if America went back on that agreement? American troops would be killed at every opportunity

Yes, 40 thousand Afghan troops have died, Afghanistan has a population of 38 million

Will you go and fight for the Afghan people because thatís what you expect Americans to do.

American troops have been in Afghanistan for 20 years and itís made no difference
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America had an agreement with the taliban to withdraw thatís why the American troops have not been killed, what do you think would happen if America went back on that agreement? American troops would be killed at every opportunity

Yes, 40 thousand Afghan troops have died, Afghanistan has a population of 38 million

Will you go and fight for the Afghan people because thatís what you expect Americans to do.

American troops have been in Afghanistan for 20 years and itís made no difference
ah, having an agreement with taliban to withdraw the troops, and taking advantage of this ''agreement'' to murder two taliban members at the airport

yup america is so innocent, demented old fool Biden needs to shut his stupid mouth, he has no rights to speak about 'blood shed' since americans have blood on their huge hands themselves too

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Biden, has never wanted to be that long in Afghanistan.
When he was vice president.

Trump set up Legit negations with the Taliban,
in his last year in Power.


Getting Full Control
of the Airports is all that needs to be done, at this time.

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-live-air.html

a call of a Taliban spokesman with a female BBC news presenter live on air
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After his 20min
rant, back to his Holiday in Camp David
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The last American to die in Afghanistan was in February 2020

The Afghan army has lost 40,000 troops in the last few years fighting the Taliban

Biden making out the only choice was between a prolonged bloody conflict and this **** up is totally false, they could have maintained a modest presence there just the same way they still have a presence in South Korea without being involved in war there. That speech last night was one of the most shameful a president has ever made - no mention of the sacrifices made by Afghans, no sympathy for their plight, no acknowledgement of the efforts made by American allies and other countries. Just a lot of passing the buck and blaming everyone else. Then to top it all off he refuses to take any questions and then goes straight back to Camp David to continue his holiday!
They do say be careful what you wish for.
I wished for a more compassionate and sincere USA leadership under Biden.

Sadly after that speech last night, I'm left sorely disappointed.

I agree with you, it was the most shameful I've heard from a USA President.
It's more like he was irritated he'd had to take a break in his holiday to make it.

I just shook my head near all through it .
Shameful is the word definitely.
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It amazes me how people are willing to send people they don’t know to war and possible death for people they don’t know.

If you are not willing to put your own life on the line what gives you the right to tell others to do the same!
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there are stories coming out now that the government told the soldiers not to fight and to surrender to the taliban while telling the people a completely different story. It's something that sounds believable, perhaps an agreement made with the taliban in order for the government to get out of the country with safe passage and a suitcase full of money
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there are stories coming out now that the government told the soldiers not to fight and to surrender to the taliban while telling the people a completely different story. It's something that sounds believable, perhaps an agreement made with the taliban in order for the government to get out of the country with safe passage and a suitcase full of money
Ghani is nothing more than a backstabbing cowardly rat, he isn't a true afghan patriot unlike taliban
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They needed the confidence of still having the air power.

Why were we there in the first place???
President Bush DID make this about Nation building once he got there.

I care about the terrifying fear and already losses of life which I'll guess far more to come of the civilians.
I know on here, losses of others lives don't matter to some.

Have you listened to those veterans of serving in Afghanistan who are near all saying they feel even betrayed, their injuries,the losses of their comrades lives being for nothing.

Or do their opinions not matter to you either.
I mean they are the ones who got to know the area, the people and served there.

We've contributed to the mess of this withdrawal which was badly planned, monitored terribly despite advancement of technology.

The government in place,ground forces still supported with air power.
That could have been the ideal way to begin leaving.
Not just walk away as the USA and UK did.
Itís a war that canít be won, America learned that with Vietnam

If the Afghan soldiers themselves wonít fight for their loved ones how is it you can ask American soldiers who have families to die in another country fighting a war that they didnít start and a war thatís been going on hundreds of years

If you are not putting your life on the line what gives you the right to expect others to put their life on the line
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Nicky now using Taliban leader image You Rebel
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there are stories coming out now that the government told the soldiers not to fight and to surrender to the taliban while telling the people a completely different story. It's something that sounds believable, perhaps an agreement made with the taliban in order for the government to get out of the country with safe passage and a suitcase full of money
This is beginning to sound more like it, coupled with the fact the solider had not been paid in recent times
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The last American to die in Afghanistan was in February 2020

The Afghan army has lost 40,000 troops in the last few years fighting the Taliban

Biden making out the only choice was between a prolonged bloody conflict and this **** up is totally false, they could have maintained a modest presence there just the same way they still have a presence in South Korea without being involved in war there. That speech last night was one of the most shameful a president has ever made - no mention of the sacrifices made by Afghans, no sympathy for their plight, no acknowledgement of the efforts made by American allies and other countries. Just a lot of passing the buck and blaming everyone else. Then to top it all off he refuses to take any questions and then goes straight back to Camp David to continue his holiday!
When I criticised trump leaving the Kurds exposed to Turkey, you made a weird comment about thinking I was against middle east intervention. Now Biden has done his, you're suddenly against leaving our allies who've sacrificed for us. I've been consistent in being against exposing the people that have worked with us, but I'm finding your 180 a bit dizzying tbh.

All the things you found shameful about Biden you had no issue with trump, and it's really difficult, because I didn't put you in that category of right winger, but here we are.

Even now, you show absolutely zero awareness for the motions put in place by Trump and Pompeo.
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Itís a war that canít be won, America learned that with Vietnam

If the Afghan soldiers themselves wonít fight for their loved ones how is it you can ask American soldiers who have families to die in another country fighting a war that they didnít start and a war thatís been going on hundreds of years

If you are not putting your life on the line what gives you the right to expect others to put their life on the line
Vietnam is now a better country, and they achieved that long after american soldiers were pulled out

+ also through better international diplomatic relations (same what taliban wants here, no foreign soldiers in the country, but still not to be entirely cut off from rest of the world either, so US, UK and the EU, UN should have good diplomatic contacts with the newly formed afghan government)



already a good thing i guess that taliban wants women to have something to say in their new government, compared to how things were first under their control


continuing with warfare is not good, and fighting terrorism can be different than with warfare, collecting weapons from citizens is a good step, since citizens should have no rights for weapons, explosives, especially in a country you can have potential terrorists amongst your citizens so that is a good step from taliban now either
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the taliban are still a designated terrorist organisation
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics...summer-holiday

Afghanistan crisis: Johnson took holiday as Kabul was about to fall

Former senior military and security figures say PM’s decision to depart was ‘dereliction of duty’



Suddenly, I'm guessing, we were never even part of the illegal coalition...
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i'm convinced the usa and uk knew exactly what was going to go down. The pleading ignorance to the collapse just doesn't wash. Raab also conveniently completely disappeared while it was ongoing
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