[Strictly Jake]

This is part one. Jan 2020 to March 2020

It contains quotes and headlines etc

I just think it's really interesting to compile how our thoughts and knowledge has improved over time

This is not a dig at any members and I will not use any names either

Part 2 coming tomorrow

[Strictly Jake]

The Coronavirus Story

January to March

22/01/20

Wuhan, a Chinese city of nearly nine million people, is to temporarily shut public transport as it tries to halt the outbreak of a new virus.

The airport and train stations will be closed to outgoing passengers.

The outbreak has killed 17 people, and there are more than 500 confirmed cases.

The virus originated in a seafood market that "conducted illegal transactions of wild animals", authorities said.

Known as 2019-nCoV, the virus is understood to be a new strain of coronavirus not previously been identified in humans. The Sars virus that killed nearly 800 people globally in the early 2000s was also a coronavirus.

Dr Tedros Ghebreyesus, the director-general of the WHO said more time was needed to reach a decision. "This is a complex and evolving situation," he said.

"The decision about whether or not to declare public health emergency of international concern is one I take extremely seriously and one I am only prepared to make with appropriate consideration of all the evidence," he added.

The first US case was confirmed on Tuesday. President Donald Trump said the situation was "totally under control"

23/01/20

A Tibb member said
"I definitely don't think we need to start building underground bunkers and quarantining ourselves any time soon. This seems a lot like the Ebola outbreak to me, aka, the media will only report on this illness for as long as it poses a threat to the Western world. And when it doesn't, we'll be led to believe that the disease has been wiped out and nothing more will be said"

24/01/20

A Tibb member said
"There will be as with sars every available scientist working on finding a cure, with any luck it won't be long."

25/01/20

A Tibb member said
"Dirty marketplaces my arse, Wuhan is home to the only level 4 biohazard facility in China. China is MASSIVE, and this virus happened to originate in Wuhan? What a weird coincidence.
Current reports are that there's "no indication" that this new SARS-like virus, originating in the only city in the country with a facility containing and studying SARS, which had warnings as far back as 2017 about the potential for viruses escaping the facility, has anything to do with the facility."


"its unlikely to be the doomsday virus.
Really lethal viruses like Ebola don't spread too far and those that do are not lethal enough to cause massive casualties. Unless the spread is really uncontrollable like the Spanish flu back in the day.
Plus it is related to SARS so vaccine will be quicker to produce."

29/01/20

British Airways suspend all flights to and from mainline China

An infection specialist says the government has given "sensible" advice to people who will be repatriated from Wuhan and there's a "very low risk" that they will infect others whilst travelling home.

31/01/20

Two Patients have the Deadly Virus in the UK

83 Britons and 27 foreign nationals
are flying back to the UK from Wuhan, the Chinese city at the centre of the outbreak.

Two family members who have tested positive for coronavirus in Britain were Chinese tourists who were staying in budget Staycity hotel in York

"the mortality of this virus is very low, something like 2%. It's hardly Ebola is it.

Having said that if let unchecked the numbers of fatalities could be high due to sheer number of infections"


01/02/20

"It should be fairly evident that it's not going to be nipped in the bud in China. The real hope is that it's less lethal than current figures suggest"

"It's frightening but I am sure in this country the impact will not be too severe."

"The medical masks that so many are wearing are next to useless"

"there hasn't been a death outside of china yet attributed to the virus."

"There are Chinese students in every University in the UK who will have returned from the Christmas break mid Jan, so I would expect far more than 2 cases by now, the next week will be interesting"

02/02/20

China facing global isolation as
first coronavirus death reported
outside country. Countries around the world have imposed travel restrictions and airlines have suspended flights due to the outbreak.

03/02/20

"It's not Ebola. I think it's important to remember that as a healthy adult it's very VERY unlikely that you will be at risk (or even very ill!) even if you were to get it somehow"

"One minute they’re locking down cities then a week later we are flying hundreds into Liverpool !!"

04/02/20

All Britons in China should leave the country
if they can to minimise the risk of exposure
to the coronavirus, the Foreign Office has said.
The Foreign Office said it continued to work to
evacuate Britons from Hubei province
where the outbreak began.
Commercial flights are available
from other parts of China.

At least 427 people have died after
contracting the virus and there
have been more than 20,000 confirmed cases


05/02/20

All NHS hospitals in England have been ordered to create secure areas for coronavirus testing to “avoid a surge in emergency departments”

Although the risk level in this country remains moderate, and so far there have been only two confirmed cases, the NHS is putting in place appropriate measures to ensure business as usual services remain unaffected by any further cases or tests of coronavirus.

"I don't think it has much of a chance of spreading much in the UK"

"I may be wrong but it looks like the world is safe but china is a bit ****ed."


06/02/20

A third patient in the UK has tested positive for coronavirus, England's chief medical officer has said.
The individual did not contract the virus in the UK, Prof Chris Whitty said.
"The patient is being transferred to a specialist NHS centre, and we are using robust infection control measures to prevent any possible further spread of the virus," he said.

A whistleblowing Chinese doctor, who was among the first to raise concerns about the spread of the new coronavirus in Wuhan, has died from the disease.

Li Wenliang, 34, had been targeted by Chinese police for “spreading rumours” after posting a warning on social media in late December 2019 about a cluster of cases of a flu-like disease that had been treated at his hospital.

Four days later he was summoned to the local public security bureau, accused of “making false comments” and disturbing the social order. He was told that if he continued to talk about the disease, he would be “brought to justice”.

He agreed not to discuss his concerns in public again.

Before he died, Li, who had a child and was expecting a second this summer, had broken his silence to give interviews from his hospital bed.

“If the officials had disclosed information about the epidemic earlier, I think it would have been a lot better. There should be more openness and transparency,”

08/02/20

"It's doubtful this one will become a serious threat outside China"

How safe is it to travel in and out of countries that haven't stopped flights?
this is almost exclusively an outbreak in China. no travel restrictions are currently advised for other countries.

Is a face mask useful against the virus and how often does it have to be replaced?
very little evidence that wearing face masks make a difference.


What is the incubation period for the coronavirus?
ranges from two to 10 days.

Can the coronavirus be transferred through items bought from Wuhan and posted to UK?
There is no evidence this is a risk.

Is it possible to vaccinate?
At the moment, there is no vaccine that can protect people against this type of coronavirus, but researchers are looking to develop one.
It is a new strain that hasn't been seen in humans before, which means doctors still have lots to learn about it.

An American dies of coronavirus in China as the last chartered flights evacuate hundreds of US citizens

Five British people diagnosed in French ski resort

"This is getting out of hand now"

09/02/20

UK facing 'major outbreak' of coronavirus as disease spreads, expert warns

"No its not getting Worse over here
we have it under control."

the UK government just declared coronavirus a "serious and imminent threat" to public health

That's not something under control

"Sky had an expert on saying nobody can predict how things will progress here or worldwide and the only certainty was that we have six months of it , best case scenario"

10/02/20

The number of people infected by the coronavirus in the UK has doubled to eight

"As long as the cases are popping up in the same incident then it's okay because that means the spread is contained. Nothing to worry about yet"

"Basically all the new cases are connected to one guy. So dont worry just yet"

11/02/20

Its been given a new name. Covid-19

12/02/20

"If it's correct that the virus can spread between totally asymptomatic individuals (who are the majority of those testing positive) and between people who will become symptomatic before symptoms start"

"48 new cases yesterday"

"It's really worrying. It's spreading so fast"

"It really is not, in the UK"

"You literally cannot take the death rate in China as being reflective of the rate it'll be in countries with proper healthcare"

13/02/20

"I was in London on Monday and not a single person had a mask on the tube"

"some are wearing masks
but they are the wrong type,
only tight surgical masks are safe"

"Got into a lift with someone wearing a medical mask today, currently taking donations for my funeral"

14/02/20

"there is now a shortage of masks in the medical and dental world because of how widely they’ve been purchased with the virus...there are limits to how many can be ordered"

"I feel like mask-wearing may well "spread" in Europe and the US because of the sudden visibility of the practice."

"There's absolutely zero evidence that it halts or slows the spread of infection though"

"I've seen a woman in Leeds with a mask on too"
"Was she Chinese?"
"No, just a middle aged white woman"

"if we were to get cases in a big way the containment strategy would be abandoned in favour of trying to manage it."

"Western economies cannot afford to shut down their whole countries like China has done. It's simply not realistic to halt schools, factories and offices for weeks and months on end. The risk from this virus would not be big enough to support such measures anyway."

15/02/20

Deadly bug has ‘potential’ to kill 400,000 Brits if it strikes the nation, expert warns

1,526 DEAD and 67,000 CASES globally

Experts have also claimed that up to 60 percent of the world could contract coronavirus.

"sounds like a typical scaremongering article"

17/02/20

"there's also a fairly good chance an effective vaccine will be available within 3 years, and more effective treatments will be developed over time meaning the death rate should lower"

"having it and recovering from it makes it likely that if you catch it again on its next "round" you're likely to have milder symptoms and beat it faster"

"No vaccine for another 18 months at the soonest , apparently"

"18 months from novel disease to working vaccine is extremely quick. Unprecedented."

21/02/20

Now Iran has this Virus

22/02/20

Big cluster in South Korea around a church. Growing clusters in Italy

24/02/20

Italy hunts for coronavirus superspreader as 'sixth person dies' of COVID-19

Uk Healthcare are apparently very concerned about the recent outbreaks and deaths in Korea , Italy etc - as there are no direct links to China .. and it poses a very real risk of a pandemic

25/02/20

"advice I've seen from a lot of experts is "if you wouldn't avoid travelling because of the flu, you shouldn't for this" "

26/02/20

Schools across the UK have closed their doors to students at-risk of coronavirus while patients not suspected of having the the disease are to be routinely tested for the disease in a dramatic escalation of screening by health officials.

It comes as England’s top doctor warned the UK could be forced to quarantine families and reduce transport if the virus becomes a global pandemic. NHS bosses have also expressed concerns about the impact any surge in cases could have on an already under pressure health system

"It's quite likely that the Japan Olympics will be cancelled, as the outbreak is quite bad in Japan"

"We had swine flu, bird flu, SARs etc and they all disappeared as quickly as they came, not sure why they are talking about cancelling something happening in June at this stage?"

"eurovision possibly being cancelled"

A 60-year-old man has become the first French victim of the coronavirus in the country

"i don't know about anyone else but I don't trust Matt Hancock. I don't think he is particularly competent and I don't think he is the right person to have as a health secretary during this crisis"

"There is a Chinese lady at my auction tonight with a face mask on (skullface) "

27/02/20

2 more have it in the UK
making it 15 , so far.

"A self test kit will soon be available, this should make life easier for medics"

"why is this idiot woman wearing a mask? Just wasting supplies."

28/02/20

Confirmed case in Northern Ireland.

2 cases now in Netherlands.

"+20 cases overnight in France. WTF"

"Boris Johnson calls emergency meeting for 3 days time, that's some emergency"

UK Total is now 19 infected

the first British person to die from Covid-19

"I do think that the only western country at real risk of suffering heavily due to Corona is the US"

20th now infected in the UK
They said this is the first
to catch it from a UK infected person

"19 more cases tonight in France, almost all within the northern region. Total number of cases is 57 since end of January.

Minister of Health also said "Stop shaking people's hands and we'll be good""

"I work in secondary education and heard a rumour today suggesting the very real possibility of schools shutting down for at least two months of this gets a lot worse"

"You worry too much"

29/02/20

The virus has spread to more than 50 countries but the vast majority of infections and deaths are in China, where the virus originated late last year

South Korea has now got over 800 cases

"I’ve already started stockpiling tinned and dried food"

01/03/20

Twelve more patients in England have tested positive for coronavirus, taking the total number of UK cases to 35.

[Strictly Jake]

One of the stand out things for me here was

The confusion over masks starting

Also

The case of the Chinese doctor that tried to earn people really early and he should have been listened to....yet he died of "coronavirus" at 34. He was told to stay silent on the matter...

Also it shows how early on it could have been prevented by travelling in and out of the country being banned. Only recently had Hancock said he didn't think keeping the borders open would have an impact


Anyway part 2 coming tomorrow. It gets intense


Hope noone minds me doing this as I say it's not a nitpick at anyone. It's good for archive purposes to see how far we have come, in a bad sense but also in a positive way too. I mean back at the point above vaccines were looking likely to take 18 months to develop. Actual fact it's taken 18 months to vaccine the vast majority. That's a good thing

[The Slim Reaper]

Get em' Jake.

[bitontheslide]

in order to stop a virus coming into the country we would have to have permanently closed borders and thats just not practical

Also, the delta variant was first spotted in India/Nepal, but it could easily have originated here. The problem with variants is that you cant spot them until they have a bit of traction, it will be all over the world and no-one can stop it

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

in order to stop a virus coming into the country we would have to have permanently closed borders and thats just not practical

Also, the delta variant was first spotted in India/Nepal, but it could easily have originated here. The problem with variants is that you cant spot them until they have a bit of traction, it will be all over the world and no-one can stop it

We were banning Pakistan and Bangladesh, with the same numbers we were seeing in India at the same time. The gov were in trade negotiations with India, and that's the only difference.

More people sacrificed at the altar of Boris doing what he wants.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Strictly Jake

One of the stand out things for me here was

The confusion over masks starting

Also

The case of the Chinese doctor that tried to earn people really early and he should have been listened to....yet he died of "coronavirus" at 34. He was told to stay silent on the matter...

Also it shows how early on it could have been prevented by travelling in and out of the country being banned. Only recently had Hancock said he didn't think keeping the borders open would have an impact


Anyway part 2 coming tomorrow. It gets intense


Hope noone minds me doing this as I say it's not a nitpick at anyone. It's good for archive purposes to see how far we have come, in a bad sense but also in a positive way too. I mean back at the point above vaccines were looking likely to take 18 months to develop. Actual fact it's taken 18 months to vaccine the vast majority. That's a good thing

we have Coronavirus thread and that is kind of a good archive? - ie where your content is coming from?

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

We were banning Pakistan and Bangladesh, with the same numbers we were seeing in India at the same time. The gov were in trade negotiations with India, and that's the only difference.

More people sacrificed at the altar of Boris doing what he wants.

i don't disagree, the trade deal seemed more important than anything, but the point is that stopping travellers doesn't stop a variant already here, by the time we are aware of it, it's already too late. Covid was here in the uk long before march last year, so closing our borders in march wouldnt achieve anything. All borders need to be treated like red zones. Even then, there is evidence that covid is spreading in quarantine hotels, so that doesn't stop it either

[Toy Soldier]

25/01/20

A Tibb member said
"Dirty marketplaces my arse, Wuhan is home to the only level 4 biohazard facility in China."

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

25/01/20

A Tibb member said
"Dirty marketplaces my arse, Wuhan is home to the only level 4 biohazard facility in China."

A Tibb member said

"NO, he was testing his eyes, he is a very reliable man who is key to the Government and will get us out of this mess. He is on BBCHD at Johnston briefing. Sign of the times"

[Toy Soldier]

I was spitting fax all over the early pages of that thread actually although I repeatedly expressed optimism about it being relatively contained like SARS, and not global spread like Spanish flu.

Wups!

Although I did also say that if there were high numbers of mild and asymptomatic cases it was going to spread like warm butter .

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

A Tibb member said

"NO, he was testing his eyes, he is a very reliable man who is key to the Government and will get us out of this mess. He is on BBCHD at Johnston briefing. Sign of the times"

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

25/01/20

A Tibb member said
"Dirty marketplaces my arse, Wuhan is home to the only level 4 biohazard facility in China."

I knew that was yours instantly, I think I might have quoted that post too at the time

[The Slim Reaper]

Interested to see how many try and rewrite history.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Interested to see how many try and rewrite history.

01/12/2019

A TiBB member said

"Meghan Markle claims she's not allowed to leave palace grounds but a Trusted Royal Biographer Timothy Smitherington says that she was seen wandering around a Chinese wet market with a spray bottle labelled Wuhan Lab Bat Virus!"

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by toy soldier

01/12/2019

a tibb member said

"meghan markle claims she's not allowed to leave palace grounds but a trusted royal biographer timothy smitherington says that she was seen wandering around a chinese wet market with a spray bottle labelled wuhan lab bat virus!"

A Tibb member said:

"queen of death"

"she just keeps on winning"

"beautiful family"

"i bought that bat spray for my Aunt"

"haters gonna hate"

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

A Tibb member said:

"queen of death"

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

A Tibb member said:

"queen of death"

"she just keeps on winning"

"beautiful family"

"i bought that bat spray for my Aunt"

"haters gonna hate"

[Cherie]

"I’ve already started stockpiling tinned and dried food"


This has got to to be me, still munching our way through

[Nicky91]

22/01/20

The first US case was confirmed on Tuesday. President Donald Trump said the situation was "totally under control"


how delusional he totally was (if only Trump had been a better president, had taken the right steps in handling this pandemic, working better together with state governors rather than making fun of them, actually listening to his health experts rather than bullying them)


but then again If is a big word

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Cherie

"I’ve already started stockpiling tinned and dried food"


This has got to to be me, still munching our way through

we had a several page epic thread on the availability of toilet paper, pasta and eggs ... we need to bring it back for a good laugh

[Scarlett.]

I remember at the start, I thought it was another "Bird flu" or "Swine flu" - something that amounted to nothing, it wasn't really until mid March when the situation started to become real

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

22/01/20

The first US case was confirmed on Tuesday. President Donald Trump said the situation was "totally under control"


how delusional he totally was (if only Trump had been a better president, had taken the right steps in handling this pandemic, working better together with state governors rather than making fun of them, actually listening to his health experts rather than bullying them)


but then again If is a big word

and how did your Government do ?

The Netherlands had the worst riots in 40 years because of the curfew

your vaccine roll-out is not great

look at your country before trying to slag off others

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Interested to see how many try and rewrite history.

Oh my, if I come up I just want to say..

..I'm so sorry for not being a top scientist at the time, slim and I'm also sorry that I spoke from the heart at the time, slim.

[Ammi]

…great thread idea, Jake……

…I don’t think that any of those quotes would be mine but some of them would have been my thoughts…I recall having a PM conversation with someone and said similar things ….

"I don't think it has much of a chance of spreading much in the UK"
"sounds like a typical scaremongering article"



…I’d actually forgotten that we were discouraged from wearing face masks at the beginning ….