[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by parmnion

How did kids ever survive in the 70s 80s and early 90s...the days of proper bullying and proper abduction..

How on earth did they survive.

the world is a different place parm, the dangers and the tech are just not the same. If we keep looking backward we wouldnt progress at all

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

How did kids ever survive in the 70s 80s and early 90s...the days of proper bullying and proper abduction..

How on earth did they survive.

Well 5 kids alone were murdered by Ian Brady and Moira Hindley so them 5 didn’t

[Glenn.]

I also love the phrase ‘proper bullying’ such an intelligent way of dismissing other types of bullying.

[Ammi]

…I read an article earlier that said that this was in a consultation period so a ‘government ban’ hadn’t actually been decided yet and yet this has been reported as coming into effect in January…so that’s confusing, which is so often the way, I find…

…so far as phones are concerned in school…I feel that it’s something that should be a discretion of the head teacher situation and I generally don’t agree with a ‘cancel or taboo’ mentality either because it doesn’t teach young people to self discipline, remove a phone when a phone use has been abused and make clear rules regarding usage in school time…this would mean that mobile phones are blanket banned in schools so the inability to use and exercise good judgement and keep within school rules is taken away from a student …and then that student goes to uni/college etc with their phone and haven’t practised self discipline…

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I think you got a bit muddled up in your effort to defend yourself.


Lt seems to be talking about having phones in school ,and you agree with him on that, your issue seems to be about the journey to and from school, which isnt the same as what LT was saying.

That's how I read it anyway.

LT said that "respectful" parents will ensure the kids don't leave the house with a phone.

I am in complete agreement that phones should not be on in the classroom, I have never disputed that.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Well 5 kids alone were murdered by Ian Brady and Moira Hindley so them 5 didn’t

Todays CCTV systems would have kept those numbers to one.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

We also have parents telling parents that they are below the bar for allowing their kids to take a phone for safety reasons without giving a valid opinion on why mobile phones should be left at home.

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It seems very selective reading on your part Parmnion tbqh

[Cherie]

Things to be thankful for

Kids no longer in school

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Things to be thankful for

Kids no longer in school

I have 2 more years to go

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

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It seems very selective reading on your part Parmnion tbqh

What part?

The part regarding non parents telling parents they are **** parents for deciding what their kids need during a school day, or the other part...

Because one is far more serious than the other...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

What part?

The part regarding non parents telling parents they are **** parents for deciding what their kids need during a school day, or the other part...

Because one is far more serious than the other...

Seems like reactionary posts to me

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Seems like reactionary posts to me

Yeah...well dezzys seems like an over the top response, and a very insulting nasty one as well..

It offended me as a parent, and you should delete it.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Yeah...well dezzys seems like an over the top response, and a very insulting nasty one as well..

It offended me as a parent, and you should delete it.

Are you saying Dezzy can't have an opinion because he's not a parent? The forum doesn't work like that I'm afraid

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Are you saying Dezzy can't have an opinion because he's not a parent? The forum doesn't work like that I'm afraid

Are you just nit picking at me, my non offensive post pointing out how the thread had turned into insulting Lt.

You decided to pick up on that post and ignore that part of it to point out I had missed something..

You chose to do all that than address dezzys post as a parent yourself??

That's very telling and just shows what a useless effort you mods put in these days.

May as well allow dezzy back on the team, which of course he still is anyway.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Are you just nit picking at me, my non offensive post pointing out how the thread had turned into insulting Lt.

You decided to pick up on that post and ignore that part of it to point out I had missed something..

You chose to do all that than address dezzys post as a parent yourself??

That's very telling and just shows what a useless effort you mods put in these days.

May as well allow dezzy back on the team, which of course he still is anyway.

No I'm not nit picking, I'm pointing out that the first person to make accusations about how good or bad a parent is on this thread was in fact LT, which you chose to ignore.

I won't comment on the rest of your post because it's quite petty and I'm not getting drawn in to that with you. Have a good day.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…I read an article earlier that said that this was in a consultation period so a ‘government ban’ hadn’t actually been decided yet and yet this has been reported as coming into effect in January…so that’s confusing, which is so often the way, I find…

…so far as phones are concerned in school…I feel that it’s something that should be a discretion of the head teacher situation and I generally don’t agree with a ‘cancel or taboo’ mentality either because it doesn’t teach young people to self discipline, remove a phone when a phone use has been abused and make clear rules regarding usage in school time…this would mean that mobile phones are blanket banned in schools so the inability to use and exercise good judgement and keep within school rules is taken away from a student …and then that student goes to uni/college etc with their phone and haven’t practised self discipline…

I’ve heard some schools of thought (escuse the noun) that suggest they could be incorporated into classes in creative ways as well, although personally I am against that but from another angle: I think it opens up an awful lot of inequality and competition between kids… some kids breezing through on new or newish “flagship” handsets whilst other frustratedly wait for their £50 Alcatel (or obsolete model phone) to load the app at all.

My wife (and to be fair to her, she is a heavy phone user for work) gets the “newest” flagship model every 2 years which means my eldest also gets a fairly new top brand phone every 2 years, but it’s really as a byproduct of my wife liking to get the newest one every upgrade. I’d be wary of a situation where kids start being EXPECTED to have a phone as part of school equipment.

There’s already been enough of that with the lockdown situation; some kids with geeky dads having no tech issues because they’re doing their school work on a 32” 4K screen on a gaming pc, while others are in the google classroom chat crying and frustrated because the ****ey Chromebook provided by the council won’t even load the work.

“Tech privilege” could quickly become a thing. It’s not even necessarily a money issue, my daughter has friends from properly well-off families who just “don’t do tech” and don’t allow the kids to have a pc / they themselves are happy with older phones so the kids have REALLY ancient ones. Usually the kids who were “later in life” to be honest and have parents already into their 50’s (and who are this a bit backwards and don’t really understand how integrated tech is into everything these days).

[parmnion]

Interesting TS.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by parmnion

What part?

The part regarding non parents telling parents they are **** parents for deciding what their kids need during a school day, or the other part...

Because one is far more serious than the other...

To be fair, everyone can have an opinion on parenting because whilst not everyone HAS children, everyone HAS BEEN a child, so it is relevant to everyone. Like… they did have parents and had friends with parents and can make a judgement call on what was and wasn’t working.

I won’t disagree that becoming a parent offers a different perspective, just as hitting the different “stages” does (e.g. I had all sorts of ideas about what parenting a teen would be like that went out the window when one actually hit adolescence).

But being able to offer different perspectives doesn’t mean that someone with no kids has “no perspective” - especially when not all parents are in agreement.

As a rule of thumb, I think if someone with no kids is being repeatedly told the same thing by EVERYONE who does have kids then it would be sensible to listen. But if people who are parents are not in agreement on an issue then… all perspectives are surely valid.

Obviously it’s rarely as simple as “good parents” and “bad parents”, just good and bad decisions, and all parents will have a mix of both.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I’ve heard some schools of thought (escuse the noun) that suggest they could be incorporated into classes in creative ways as well, although personally I am against that but from another angle: I think it opens up an awful lot of inequality and competition between kids… some kids breezing through on new or newish “flagship” handsets whilst other frustratedly wait for their £50 Alcatel (or obsolete model phone) to load the app at all.

My wife (and to be fair to her, she is a heavy phone user for work) gets the “newest” flagship model every 2 years which means my eldest also gets a fairly new top brand phone every 2 years, but it’s really as a byproduct of my wife liking to get the newest one every upgrade. I’d be wary of a situation where kids start being EXPECTED to have a phone as part of school equipment.

There’s already been enough of that with the lockdown situation; some kids with geeky dads having no tech issues because they’re doing their school work on a 32” 4K screen on a gaming pc, while others are in the google classroom chat crying and frustrated because the ****ey Chromebook provided by the council won’t even load the work.

“Tech privilege” could quickly become a thing. It’s not even necessarily a money issue, my daughter has friends from properly well-off families who just “don’t do tech” and don’t allow the kids to have a pc / they themselves are happy with older phones so the kids have REALLY ancient ones. Usually the kids who were “later in life” to be honest and have parents already into their 50’s (and who are this a bit backwards and don’t really understand how integrated tech is into everything these days).

bit harsh, my phone is about 5 years old, only because I have no interest in phones, and I don't agree with changing a phone every 5 minutes, my eldest son who is very techy has a 5 year old phone as well, mainly because he is not into buying new stuff, his current coat he bought when he started Uni, which was 5 years ago now, when I suggest he gets a new coat he says what for, this one is fine so its not all about being 'backwards'

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Cherie

bit harsh, my phone is about 5 years old, only because I have no interest in phones, and I don't agree with changing a phone every 5 minutes, my eldest son who is very techy has a 5 year old phone as well, mainly because he is not into buying new stuff, his current coat he bought when he started Uni, which was 5 years ago now, when I suggest he gets a new coat he says what for, this one is fine so its not all about being 'backwards'

Ok fair enough it depends on what you use things for - I personally agree on phones, despite being techy, I’m not all that arsed for them and so long as they do the basics (WhatsApp, Tapatalk , banking apps) I don’t really care what phone I have… I’d rather spend available tech funds on a PC upgrade or a laptop than a phone (you could get a top of the line powerhouse of a laptop for the monthly cost of a flagship phone, which is pretty crazy).

But the overall message remains the same - if you want to do any “heavier” work on a phone then older or cheaper ones are frustrating and slow vs newer ones so if all the kids have different phones, it’s an inequality in terms of their learning. My daughter always has decent phones but it’s only because my wife gets herself new phones. I certainly wouldn’t want to feel “forced” into spending that sort of money every couple of years (or a large monthly contract outgoing) because it was necessary for school.

[bitontheslide]

my family get tech hand me downs from me all the time, and i'm an old fart TS (tsk tsk)

But yes, the world of tech is not an equal one at any demographic for any number of reasons and children's education should be equal opportunity as far as is possible

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Any parent who sends their kids to school without a mobile phone is negligent imo.

Well, actually, I would find any parent sending their kid to school and not dropping them off negligent!! Unless they are getting school transport. I don't think at that age a child should be made to go get a bus on there own. Depending on age obviously but unless you're reaching 15/16 then I don't really think it's acceptable imo.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Really at the end of the day, there’s no way to actually impose a ban anyway without repeatedly searching through kids stuff which is 1) not allowed and an invasion of privacy and 2) impossible in terms of time and resources… kids will just bring them anyway and keep them in their bag.

They weren’t allowed at my daughter’s primary school but most kids had them for the final two years… and by the end the teachers knew fine well they had them, it was just a sort of unspoken agreement of “we know it’s in your bag, but so long as it’s not seen on school grounds no one is going to say anything”.

It would just end up like that everywhere; people would have them in their bag on silent. How would anyone know?

The one thing they did come down on hard was if anyone was ever caught taking pictures/making videos in school. I think it happened twice in 2 years though.

Searching children's stuff is actually allowed, but you have to have sufficient grounds.

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I’ve heard some schools of thought (escuse the noun) that suggest they could be incorporated into classes in creative ways as well, although personally I am against that but from another angle: I think it opens up an awful lot of inequality and competition between kids… some kids breezing through on new or newish “flagship” handsets whilst other frustratedly wait for their £50 Alcatel (or obsolete model phone) to load the app at all.

My wife (and to be fair to her, she is a heavy phone user for work) gets the “newest” flagship model every 2 years which means my eldest also gets a fairly new top brand phone every 2 years, but it’s really as a byproduct of my wife liking to get the newest one every upgrade. I’d be wary of a situation where kids start being EXPECTED to have a phone as part of school equipment.

There’s already been enough of that with the lockdown situation; some kids with geeky dads having no tech issues because they’re doing their school work on a 32” 4K screen on a gaming pc, while others are in the google classroom chat crying and frustrated because the ****ey Chromebook provided by the council won’t even load the work.

“Tech privilege” could quickly become a thing. It’s not even necessarily a money issue, my daughter has friends from properly well-off families who just “don’t do tech” and don’t allow the kids to have a pc / they themselves are happy with older phones so the kids have REALLY ancient ones. Usually the kids who were “later in life” to be honest and have parents already into their 50’s (and who are this a bit backwards and don’t really understand how integrated tech is into everything these days).

You could say this about anything and everything.

It's life. You don't know what you don't have.

Parents should bring their children up to be thankful for what they have got not what they haven't.

As a child I wanted a lot of things and didn't get them. Tough titty.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

You could say this about anything and everything.

It's life. You don't know what you don't have.

Parents should bring their children up to be thankful for what they have got not what they haven't.

As a child I wanted a lot of things and didn't get them. Tough titty.

I’m not talking about simple “mine is better than yours” competition, I’m saying that if they go down the route of actually using phones/apps as part of lessons (as has been suggested before) then there is a literal imbalance in terms of learning because of “tech inequality” - e.g. a kid with an iPhone 12 being half way through their work while the kid rocking a Galaxy S6 is still waiting for the app to finish installing.

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I’m not talking about simple “mine is better than yours” competition, I’m saying that if they go down the route of actually using phones/apps as part of lessons (as has been suggested before) then there is a literal imbalance in terms of learning because of “tech inequality” - e.g. a kid with an iPhone 12 being half way through their work while the kid rocking a Galaxy S6 is still waiting for the app to finish installing.

Yeah, but this isn't going to happen and if it did then the school would probably provide the equipment.

Just as you wouldn't go into a science lesson and be asked to provide your own bunsen burner