[Tom4784]

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[LeatherTrumpet]

if that is what the people of texas want who are we to question democracy in action?

[Tom4784]

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[Marsh.]

6 weeks.

So basically the point when many women still don't know they're pregnant. What a bloody useless cut off point.

[Tom4784]

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[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

6 weeks.

So basically the point when many women still don't know they're pregnant. What a bloody useless cut off point.

They'd literally have to be treating it like covid "lateral flow testing" and take a test every week just to make sure.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

They'd literally have to be treating it like covid "lateral flow testing" and take a test every week just to make sure.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

AND anyone who helps a woman get an abortion is liable to be sued by anyone who knows for $10k.

Were you an uber driver that dropped a woman off at an abortion clinic and some busybody fancied a paycheque? You're now $10k in debt and even if you win, you'll still have to pay legal fees while they don't if they win.

Also anyone can sue you, doesn't have to be related to a random person at all.

It's insane, a complete disregard of human rights. It's positively Salem-esque.

Absolutely craziness. I don't know why I'm surprised, and yet I am.

[parmnion]

It's a civil law, one requiring members of the public to report the crime.

[Niamh.]

Yep backwards the world is going on women's rights lately that's for sure. This is offensive and harmful

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[Mitchell]

Absolutely disgusting.

[Niamh.]

Backstreet abortions and women dying in lanes just like the 60's yay

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[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

May the Lord open.

Yes Dezzy
Texas has been like that forever

[Tom4784]

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[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Except it hasn't because this law has just passed.

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The least wealthy will suffer they say
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[arista]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Backstreet abortions and women dying in lanes just like the 60's yay

Doubt it, no one will as Dezzy has stated
the new Texas Law will stop that

[Swan]

Those pesky white Texans!!!
(btw, nothing like this happens elsewhere)

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by arista

Doubt it, no one will as Dezzy has stated
the new Texas Law will stop that

“The law will stop illegal abortions”

[Captain.Remy]

It's like...we are not exactly surprised but still disappointed.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

if that is what the people of texas want who are we to question democracy in action?

Es ist zeit für säuberung eh LT .

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Es ist zeit für säuberung eh LT .

Die Welt brennt, Frauen haben mancherorts keine Macht oder Rechte ... Aber in Texas beginnt die Reinigung?

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Livia

Die Welt brennt, Frauen haben mancherorts keine Macht oder Rechte ... Aber in Texas beginnt die Reinigung?

If I say I'm beginning a career as an arsonist today by burning down one house, does that mean there aren't other arsonists in the world setting larger fires, or that it's OK for me to burn that house? If I go ahead and burn that house, would you not be concerned about me later deciding to burn the street?

Regardless, my only point was that "we shouldn't question democracy in action" isn't really a viable stance, given the number of historic examples we have of democracy in action leading to horrendous outcomes.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

If I say I'm beginning a career as an arsonist today by burning down one house, does that mean there aren't other arsonists in the world setting larger fires, or that it's OK for me to burn that house? If I go ahead and burn that house, would you not be concerned about me later deciding to burn the street?

Regardless, my only point was that "we shouldn't question democracy in action" isn't really a viable stance, given the number of historic examples we have of democracy in action leading to horrendous outcomes.

That's quite a dramatic analogy, TS. We're talking about democracy and women's rights in Texas. Women can step into 49 other states without leaving the country. And while I don't agree with the legislation, not one bit... I wonder that it called for a German quote. I take it you were referring to the clean ups at the beginning of the Holocaust. And how that relates to this story is quite beyond me.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Livia

That's quite a dramatic analogy, TS. We're talking about democracy and women's rights in Texas. Women can step into 49 other states without leaving the country. And while I don't agree with the legislation, not one bit... I wonder that it called for a German quote. I take it you were referring to the clean ups at the beginning of the Holocaust. And how that relates to this story is quite beyond me.

I was referring to LT suggesting that we shouldn't "question the democractic decision of the people" when there are stark historic examples of the democratic decisions of the people having shocking outcomes, and using the fact that the Nazis were democratically voted into power in Germany as the most obvious example of why it's perfectly valid to question a democratic vote as being likely to have good outcomes, and that often it's not possible to see the true endgame until the votes have already been counted.

With regards to out-of-state abortions... there are mechanisms that could be used to make that illegal too, and regardless, the practicalities and costs of doing so mean that it's only an option for those who can afford it - when the majority of people seeking abortions are likely to be young, economically disadvantaged, or both... i.e. the very people who have neither the funds nor the practical means to travel out-of-state.

[Captain.Remy]

I thought some states/places refuse abortions if you're out of your state? I remember seeing this on the news years ago but not sure if it's still (unfortuantely) relevant today.