[Alf]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I’d happily pay an extra £20 on NI or Tax if it meant actual improvements would be made. My concern is that the money will be taken but it’ll just be to stop the wheels falling off and nothing will improve.

I’ve started to turn into an old Tory with this foot injury when it comes to healthcare. I love universal healthcare in concept and that we have it, especially when it comes to things like chronic conditions and terminal illness, but it seems that for “basic” things like a complex foot injury it is just not fit for purpose. They have been utterly, utterly useless and 2 months down the line my foot is still ****ed. A month for an x-ray, 6 weeks to get a CT scan, that was 3 weeks ago and I still haven’t had results.

I can’t pretend that it doesn’t make the huge lump of tax and NI in my payslip sting a bit. Again, I wouldn’t begrudge it in the slightest if it felt like it was paying for a functional service.

Your extra £20 will come in handy for an MPs elevenses, a large brandy and a Cuban cigar.

[smudgie]

Maybe if it was a tax that everyone paid it would go down better than just NI payers having to foot the bill.
I am all for it.
The triple lock on pensions needs sorting as well. An over 8% pay rise down to covid is over the top.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Yep same, they need to create a tax that is purely put in a social care pot so that spending can be transparent

Originally Posted by Livia

Tax the rich properly then you won't have to squeeze the poor.

Combine these two and we got ourselves a policy

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Combine these two and we got ourselves a policy

What a team....

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I’d happily pay an extra £20 on NI or Tax if it meant actual improvements would be made. My concern is that the money will be taken but it’ll just be to stop the wheels falling off and nothing will improve.

Yup, any extra money will just fall into the black hole like the rest of it. The government stealing more money isn't the answer, but spending it properly is.

[Tom4784]

Deleted Post

[arista]

[arista]

[arista]

[arista]

[Alf]

Originally Posted by arista

The Star, stole that joke from Only fools and Horses

[bitontheslide]

i don't have an issue with the NHS getting more cash, if it's used wisely and not squandered on admin and waste as it usually is

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i don't have an issue with the NHS getting more cash, if it's used wisely and not squandered on admin and waste as it usually is

Yes some poles has said just that.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i don't have an issue with the NHS getting more cash, if it's used wisely and not squandered on admin and waste as it usually is

Part of the problem though is that huge issues are down to understaffing, and they currently simply can't train them fast enough. The lower bands (1 - 4) are less of an issue as they don't have registration requirements, but nurses/doctors/other health professionals at Band 5+ have some major staffing problems... and thanks to good old Brexit we can't attract as many professionals from abroad as we used to. EU staff for actual practical reasons (it's just not as simple or easy as it once was so it isn't an attractive prospect) and staff from elsewhere because, to be blunt, the certain members of the public have been emboldened in being increasingly hostile towards "staff with funny accents". It's a nationalistic xenophobia rather than "simple" racism too; these people tend to have no problem with a black nurse from Manchester or an Asian nurse with a London accent... it's purely down to them being "not from here".

tl;dr All of the money in the world isn't going to fix the staffing problem any time soon. Even if they funnel it all into making salaries more attractive and shovel some of it at Universities to increase training places... you're still talking realistically 5 - 10 years before you actually have increased numbers of fully trained staff in place.

We scared away half the workforce. We had large numbers of EU nurses. They understandably went home.

The problems facing health & social care are multi-layered, and the idea that "if we throw more money, that'll fix it!" is extremely Tory thinking isn't it. More funding will always HELP, of course, but the issues run deeper than underfunding.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i don't have an issue with the NHS getting more cash, if it's used wisely and not squandered on admin and waste as it usually is

For instance... £70k + for a diversity and inclusion manager. I don't know another organisation more diverse or more inclusive.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Part of the problem though is that huge issues are down to understaffing, and they currently simply can't train them fast enough. The lower bands (1 - 4) are less of an issue as they don't have registration requirements, but nurses/doctors/other health professionals at Band 5+ have some major staffing problems... and thanks to good old Brexit we can't attract as many professionals from abroad as we used to. EU staff for actual practical reasons (it's just not as simple or easy as it once was so it isn't an attractive prospect) and staff from elsewhere because, to be blunt, the certain members of the public have been emboldened in being increasingly hostile towards "staff with funny accents". It's a nationalistic xenophobia rather than "simple" racism too; these people tend to have no problem with a black nurse from Manchester or an Asian nurse with a London accent... it's purely down to them being "not from here".

tl;dr All of the money in the world isn't going to fix the staffing problem any time soon. Even if they funnel it all into making salaries more attractive and shovel some of it at Universities to increase training places... you're still talking realistically 5 - 10 years before you actually have increased numbers of fully trained staff in place.

We scared away half the workforce. We had large numbers of EU nurses. They understandably went home.

The problems facing health & social care are multi-layered, and the idea that "if we throw more money, that'll fix it!" is extremely Tory thinking isn't it. More funding will always HELP, of course, but the issues run deeper than underfunding.

Really strong post there TS.

I hope social care however doesn't remain another political football.

The effort should be that whatever is put in place is the result of full involved consultation and agreement with other Parties and all relevant care organisations too.

Where there would be universal agreement on a policy by all with just the intention of supporting it once implemented and not keep reforming as with the wider NHS.

That's not going to be the case as he's off to do it his way or no way it seems.

Any increases of tax and NI, for this purpose, it has to be made transparent, that all the funding is for the NHS and social care practical purposes, not on just office matters.

However as TS points out, recruitment is the big issue which will mean now with this particular government's more solid anti EU stance,even now we're out.
That yes, 5 to 10 years down the line, even with the increases of tax and/or NI, little can likely change before that significantly.

I've no problem with him breaking an election manifesto pledge to really do something as to social care and the NHS.
However, any cosmetic ONLY policy will soon be seen through and even with increased revenue, more concerning issues could arise.

As TS stated, part of the bigger problem is understaffing, across the NHS and in the wider care sector too.
That needs a really good, solid and strong policy to even begin to start to address.

Which is why this should be an ALL party policy, not just from the government in office at present, possibly only causing more issues and setting up further future problems.

[arista]

Live in Parliament
12:30PM
Johnson tell us all, his new plan.

But will he get enough votes?

[The Slim Reaper]

Didn't we do brexit so we could spend £350m/wk on the NHS?

[arista]

This is said to be an Increase on Income Tax


The Money is needed because of China's Covid-19
burning up our money tree.

[arista]

The Vote on this Nat.Ins. Tax
increase is to be Tomorrow
Wednesday PM


Ref:SkyNewsHD

[arista]

Johnson's Cabinet has agreed this new TAX
early today.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Didn't we do brexit so we could spend £350m/wk on the NHS?

That’s what I was told too

[arista]

Originally Posted by Smithy

That’s what I was told too

This is Beyond that


China's Covid-19
has wrecked the UK and World.
It was not expected.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by arista

This is Beyond that


China's Covid-19
has wrecked the UK and World.
It was not expected.

Covid is irrelevant to the payments we were supposedly making to the EU that we are no longer making. That money should still be there.

[arista]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Covid is irrelevant to the payments we were supposedly making to the EU that we are no longer making. That money should still be there.

No you are Wrong
it has caused the NHS to have a massive backlog.


China's Covid-19 has cost this nation Billions.
Fact.