[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

See though the issue here is, if you don’t buy into gender stereotyping, then you also can’t buy into gender fluidity, non-binary or even trans gender ideologies. All of them are 100% reliant on believing that stereotypically gendered roles, styles and norms are valid. Without them the concepts are largely meaningless. I find that the LGBTQ community ties itself in logical knots with this.

They have had their time TS, the world is aware..


Problem is they just cant shut up, and that will only bring negative press.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

You ain't exactly pointing any points on the subject yourself.

My point couldn’t be any clearer. It’s not my fault people are getting pissy over what clothes kids should wear.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

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Anyone who finds a problem with this is weird. Anyone that has any problem with what other people/strangers wear is weird.

The worlds weird and you're not.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

My point couldn’t be any clearer. It’s not my fault people are getting pissy over what clothes kids should wear.

Have you never judged a fat kid wearing skinny Jean's, or a kid who shouldnt be wearing ski pants with her belly.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

People should be able to wear what they like no? I mean that’s kinda how the world works. What is it about this that doesn’t sit right with you? Why is it wrong?

It's a school.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Why is wearing something “commonly worn by girls” inherently embarrassing?

That’s sort of the point and also the question you should ask yourself.

Because skirts ARE commonly worn by girls….and many boys would not feel comfortable about wearing one…
I am not saying it’s wrong for boys to wear skirts…everyone should be able to dress as they please. Stop trying to twist my words…the fact is many boys would find it embarrassing ….

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Asking them to wear skirts is not promoting equality unless they also ask the girls to do so? Otherwise the option should be given, not them told to do it? That would be equality surely..

Unless I am misunderstanding.

Agree, I have no idea how everyone being told to wear a skirt is promoting equality...and your point about being given the option and they choosing to do it themselves is very valid

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Because skirts ARE commonly worn by girls….and many boys would not feel comfortable about wearing one…
I am not saying it’s wrong for boys to wear skirts…everyone should be able to dress as they please. Stop trying to twist my words…the fact is many boys would find it embarrassing ….

Because to many boys, “being girly” is shameful and embarrassing. That’s something that needs to be confronted. I’m not saying this is necessarily the best way to do that, but at some point society needs to tackle the massive problem of boys (and men) finding the very thought of being likened to a female “embarrassing”.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Because to many boys, “being girly” is shameful and embarrassing. That’s something that needs to be confronted. I’m not saying this is necessarily the best way to do that, but at some point society needs to tackle the massive problem of boys (and men) finding the very thought of being likened to a female “embarrassing”.

why should they, if someone finds wearing something embarrassing to wear, why should they be indoctrinated into finding it acceptable? That is completely ludicrous. If someone wants to wear something ... that's fair enough, but there should never be any pressure put on someone to wear something they are completely uncomfortable with which seems to be what you are suggesting

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

why should they, if someone finds wearing something embarrassing to wear, why should they be indoctrinated into finding it acceptable? That is completely ludicrous. If someone wants to wear something ... that's fair enough, but there should never be any pressure put on someone to wear something they are completely uncomfortable with which seems to be what you are suggesting

I didn’t say anything of the sort; people should wear whatever they want (or in a school/workplace, the uniform prescribed) what I said was, if people’s REASON for not wearing a certain piece of clothing is that it’s “too girly” and the further reason for that being an issue isn’t “and that’s not my style”, but “and there’s something inherently embarrassing about boys doing girl-stuff”, then those people need to take a look at their reasoning because almost certainly on either a conscious or subconscious level, they are equating “female” with “lesser”.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Have you never judged a fat kid wearing skinny Jean's, or a kid who shouldnt be wearing ski pants with her belly.

No I’m not a bully

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I didn’t say anything of the sort; people should wear whatever they want (or in a school/workplace, the uniform prescribed) what I said was, if people’s REASON for not wearing a certain piece of clothing is that it’s “too girly” and the further reason for that being an issue isn’t “and that’s not my style”, but “and there’s something inherently embarrassing about boys doing girl-stuff”, then those people need to take a look at their reasoning because almost certainly on either a conscious or subconscious level, they are equating “female” with “lesser”.

why is one reason more valid than another for not wearing something .... its green ... dont want to wear it, it shows off my hairy legs ... i don't want to wear it ..... ANY reason for not wanting to wear something is valid

And what's more, no one has to justify why they dont want to wear something to anyone

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Because to many boys, “being girly” is shameful and embarrassing. That’s something that needs to be confronted. I’m not saying this is necessarily the best way to do that, but at some point society needs to tackle the massive problem of boys (and men) finding the very thought of being likened to a female “embarrassing”.

Embarrassing yes...but not shameful.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

why is one reason more valid than another for not wearing something .... its green ... dont want to wear it, it shows off my hairy legs ... i don't want to wear it ..... ANY reason for not wanting to wear something is valid

And what's more, no one has to justify why they dont want to wear something to anyone

Again this is only relevant if anyone is being forced to do anything, complete straw man. Where has there been any siggestion or indication of anyone being forced to do something they don’t want to do?

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Embarrassing yes...but not shameful.

Are girls embarrassed to wear trousers or any other “boy clothes”? (As the dad of two girls I’d have to say a) no they aren’t and b) “boy clothes” don’t exist)

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Again this is only relevant if anyone is being forced to do anything, complete straw man. Where has there been any siggestion or indication of anyone being forced to do something they don’t want to do?

you have basically been championing indoctrinating people into wearing clothes that they wouldn't want to wear throughout this thread so there is plenty evidence here alone

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I didn’t say anything of the sort; people should wear whatever they want (or in a school/workplace, the uniform prescribed) what I said was, if people’s REASON for not wearing a certain piece of clothing is that it’s “too girly” and the further reason for that being an issue isn’t “and that’s not my style”, but “and there’s something inherently embarrassing about boys doing girl-stuff”, then those people need to take a look at their reasoning because almost certainly on either a conscious or subconscious level, they are equating “female” with “lesser”.

So what if a boy finds 'girly stuff' embarrassing???....if its ok for boys to wear skirts if they choose to because thats how they feel comfortable...its equally ok for boys not to for the very same reason...

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Are girls embarrassed to wear trousers or any other “boy clothes”? (As the dad of two girls I’d have to say a) no they aren’t and b) “boy clothes” don’t exist)

There are a lot of girly girls out there that wouldnt be seen dead in trousers....not because they are embarrassed but because they choose not to.
Boys clothes do exist....have you not seen clothes designed for girls called 'boyfriend jeans' 'boyfriend top'....

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

you have basically been championing indoctrinating people into wearing clothes that they wouldn't want to wear throughout this thread

Quote me or you’re full of **** - I have not.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

There are a lot of girly girls out there that wouldnt be seen dead in trousers....not because they are embarrassed but because they choose not to.

Exactly. “Not because they’re embarrassed”

Boys clothes do exist....have you not seen clothes designed for girls called 'boyfriend jeans' 'boyfriend top'....

Wow, well I can’t argue with that logic

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Exactly. “Not because they’re embarrassed”



Wow, well I can’t argue with that logic

Nothing wrong with them feeling embarrassed though....I dont get your problem with someone feeling embarrassed wearing a certain item of clothing...

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Nothing wrong with them feeling embarrassed though....I dont get your problem with someone feeling embarrassed wearing a certain item of clothing...

They're embarrassed because it's girly, and to boys, anything girly is embarrassing/shameful as being "manly" or "masculine" is viewed as being inherently superior to anything associated with "girliness". It isn't neutral, it's a sociological construct rooted in - or perhaps the very roots of - a default of cultural misogyny.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Because to many boys, “being girly” is shameful and embarrassing. That’s something that needs to be confronted. I’m not saying this is necessarily the best way to do that, but at some point society needs to tackle the massive problem of boys (and men) finding the very thought of being likened to a female “embarrassing”.

Yeah, that's one thing that's bothered me all my life, the fact that girls need to be less feminine and need to be more masculine. We need to raise awareness on this and start pushing this agenda strongly.

[Alf]

We need to see more women growing beards, this is important for society. We need to force this agenda.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Alf

Yeah, that's one thing that's bothered me all my life, the fact that girls need to be less feminine and need to be more masculine. We need to raise awareness on this and start pushing this agenda strongly.

People need to start living life with the personality they have, and stop thinking that if they have a certain personality type that doesn’t happen to match the COMPLETELY FABRICATED IDEA of the personality and likes that their sex is “supposed” to have that it means they either need to make an effort to change their personality to fit, or that they are actually the other gender or something in between. Frankly. It’s all ****ing nonsense.