[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by jet

Apparently 97% of civil cases are settled out of court and Andrew was under intense pressure from the royal family to settle as the media circus lasting months on end from the deposition and civil trial would destroy the Queen’s jubilee year celebrations.

Note he has only expressed regret at his association with Epstein, he hasn’t admitted to the allegations from Virgina Giuffre. I’m very very surprised she didn’t insist that he had to do this before accepting the settlement when she previously said that was her aim and monetary compensation was very much of secondary importance.
Perhaps she didn’t relish being questioned on the stand either.

Yes…I thought she was only going to accept a payment if he admitted his guilt

[jet]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Yes…I thought she was only going to accept a payment if he admitted his guilt

Indeed. In an Times interview last month her lawyer David Boies was adamant that for Giuffre this wasn’t about the money. “What’s important for Virginia is to vindicate herself and the other victims. Not to let someone escape responsibility, just because of their wealth and power. To hold Prince Andrew to account”.

The thing is though, many other men of wealth and power are escaping responsibility, men who she has also accused of abusing her, like former New Mexico governor Bill Richardson, former senator George Mitchell, lawyer Alan Dershowitz, French modelling scout Jean Luc Brunel and the billionaire Glenn Dubin, among others.
She hasn’t taken a civil action against any of these American men.…it seems odd that the only man she is willing to hold to account is a British one.

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[rusticgal]

Well at the end of the day it all spells guilt on Andrews part…we knew from that interview he was massively guilty. Feel a bit sorry for The Queen as it has blighted her platinum jubilee…

[bitontheslide]

paying out 12 million to someone he couldn't recall ever having met is pretty extraordinary

[Alf]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

paying out 12 million to someone he couldn't recall ever having met is pretty extraordinary

It doubt it comes out of his pocket. We the people more than likely pay for it. Because we allow it to be that way.

[bitontheslide]

the majority will come from the queens stash which arguably came from the people in days gone by, but it won't have come from the current public purse

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by jet

Indeed. In an Times interview last month her lawyer David Boies was adamant that for Giuffre this wasn’t about the money. “What’s important for Virginia is to vindicate herself and the other victims. Not to let someone escape responsibility, just because of their wealth and power. To hold Prince Andrew to account”.

The thing is though, many other men of wealth and power are escaping responsibility, men who she has also accused of abusing her, like former New Mexico governor Bill Richardson, former senator George Mitchell, lawyer Alan Dershowitz, French modelling scout Jean Luc Brunel and the billionaire Glenn Dubin, among others.
She hasn’t taken a civil action against any of these American men.…it seems odd that the only man she is willing to hold to account is a British one.

it's all about being able to prove it. She had a photo of andrew, without that she would have had nothing on Andrew either

[arista]

Left Winger on LBC 10AM show
finds it strange?

It is a Royal Family, of course a Pay off was on its way

Wake up you Left Winger confused

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the majority will come from the queens stash which arguably came from the people in days gone by, but it won't have come from the current public purse

Pretty much this, it won't come from current public funds and I think people tend to underestimate the PERSONAL wealth of the Monarchy (especially the current monarch)... It's double figures billions. HIGH double figures. The Queen herself is "officially" worth over 500 million, £5 billion if you include "Royal Treasures" (she technically owns them as assets - but they could never be sold, leveraged or liquidated so that really means nothing... They just exist... I suppose that's what makes something "priceless").

Anyway her true personal wealth is realistically over £1 billion at this point anyway, she owns land all over the place that would likely sell for much more than its listed value currently.

And that's just the Queen.

For the family as a whole, £12m is nowt, from their own back pocket and nothing to do with public funds.

Although as you say... If you take the actual entire history of the Monarchy into account then yes of course it's all plunder at the end of the day. The British Empire was the largest and most successful the world has ever seen when it existed, and unlike now, up until a couple of hundred years ago the monarch was very much at the top of that pyramid. Spanning the whole globe, pilfering wealth from every corner

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Pretty much this, it won't come from current public funds and I think people tend to underestimate the PERSONAL wealth of the Monarchy (especially the current monarch)... It's double figures billions. HIGH double figures. The Queen herself is "officially" worth over 500 million, £5 billion if you include "Royal Treasures" (she technically owns them as assets - but they could never be sold, leveraged or liquidated so that really means nothing... They just exist... I suppose that's what makes something "priceless").

Anyway her true personal wealth is realistically over £1 billion at this point anyway, she owns land all over the place that would likely sell for much more than its listed value currently.

And that's just the Queen.

For the family as a whole, £12m is nowt, from their own back pocket and nothing to do with public funds.

Although as you say... If you take the actual entire history of the Monarchy into account then yes of course it's all plunder at the end of the day. The British Empire was the largest and most successful the world has ever seen when it existed, and unlike now, up until a couple of hundred years ago the monarch was very much at the top of that pyramid. Spanning the whole globe, pilfering wealth from every corner

Still baffled as to why in the modern world that lot are still going, other than to bring in tourists I can't see a single benefit of them....but none of my business I guess

Lets be honest here too, someone with as much power behind him as Andrew has was never going to face any real consequences, was he? I hope at least Victoria's charity can use some of that money to help other women and girls to get out of similar situations

[bitontheslide]

the reality is that the government just need to give the odd tax break here and there, provide a few stately grants and the money is recovered almost instantly

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Still baffled as to why in the modern world that lot are still going, other than to bring in tourists I can't see a single benefit of them....but none of my business I guess

On the other hand, they bring in more money than they cost. When the only argument toward bringing them down is "it's the current year!!" then maybe they're fine

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Still baffled as to why in the modern world that lot are still going, other than to bring in tourists I can't see a single benefit of them....but none of my business I guess

Lets be honest here too, someone with as much power behind him as Andrew has was never going to face any real consequences, was he? I hope at least Victoria's charity can use some of that money to help other women and girls to get out of similar situations

If they abolished the monarchy and opened everything up to the public fully, there'd be a tourism SURGE for several decades. Maybe not the longer-term appeal of the "unique" active Monarchy but honestly I don't think that extends all that far beyond The Queen anyway ... I think what she herself represents is what holds a lot of the interest. No one is interested in King Charles ... that's just how it is ... and I swear William gets more dull by the day as well.

[bitontheslide]

the tourists are interested in the history. The castles near me still gets mega numbers of visitors because it was where Henry 8th and anne boleyn hung out. That was a much more historically interesting time than now and the tourists lap it up. Nothing to do with the current bunch. The queen gets some attention from the parades that they wheel her out for, but in terms of visitor numbers thats nothing compared to what historical britain pulls in

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the tourists are interested in the history. The castles near me still gets mega numbers of visitors because it was where Henry 8th and anne boleyn hung out. That was a much more historically interesting time than now and the tourists lap it up. Nothing to do with the current bunch. The queen gets some attention from the parades that they wheel her out for, but in terms of visitor numbers thats nothing compared to what historical britain pulls in

Yeah Scottish castles are massive tourist traps as well, to the point that these days ... honestly to the point that they're borderline offensive to actual Scottish people .

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Similarly, the kremlin gets big tourist numbers and it has nothing to do with Putin ... i see it in a similar way

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Still baffled as to why in the modern world that lot are still going, other than to bring in tourists I can't see a single benefit of them....but none of my business I guess

Lets be honest here too, someone with as much power behind him as Andrew has was never going to face any real consequences, was he? I hope at least Victoria's charity can use some of that money to help other women and girls to get out of similar situations

It depends how you want to view them
Yes they are called royals but they are able to fcuk up just the same as any other human.

Just to add , you talk about andrews power behind him, it’s simply not true because if he had any powerful contacts this problem would have gone away a long time ago

[Zizu]

Sky News reporting that Randy Andy has agreed to settle out if court .

Can anyone add some meat to the bones of that headline ?!?


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[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

It depends how you want to view them
Yes they are called royals but they are able to fcuk up just the same as any other human.

Just to add , you talk about andrews power behind him, it’s simply not true because if he had any powerful contacts this problem would have gone away a long time ago

Of course he has Power behind him, he has the Queen of England forking out 12million to keep him out of a courtroom