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Toy Soldier · 01-04-2022, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

Plus if they take his award away, what are they going to do, give it to the guy who came second - which would be a bit **** for that actor, their "best actor Oscar" is really only a 2nd place, or they could give it to no one and have no winner which is also a bit ****

Well exactly, giving it to the runner up is a bit ... questionable ... because that person is left like "Oh yeah I have an oscar but people didn't actually think it was the best performance". And giving it to no one essentially is just admitting that Will Smith did win it... so it's a "yeah we thought your performance was best and you won BUT you don't get the little statue!!"

A bit pointless really. The "flattery" is still there, he still knows it was voted as the winning performance, which is what it's all about really. The actual trophy is incidental.

bitontheslide · 01-04-2022, 01:32 PM

just dont award that oscar to anyone, make a point. The other thing is that he hadn't been awarded the oscar at that point and he brought the society into disrepute so he shouldnt get it. However, we all know that he will get a slap on the wrist and told not to do it again

Toy Soldier · 01-04-2022, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

just dont award that oscar to anyone, make a point. The other thing is that he hadn't been awarded the oscar at that point and he brought the society into disrepute so he shouldnt get it. However, we all know that he will get a slap on the wrist and told not to do it again

Yes but like I said, "not awarding it to anyone" is just admitting that he won it. It's not on paper and he doesn't get the statue, but everyone still knows whose name was in the envelope, the rest is incidental.

bitontheslide · 01-04-2022, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yes but like I said, "not awarding it to anyone" is just admitting that he won it. It's not on paper and he doesn't get the statue, but everyone still knows whose name was in the envelope, the rest is incidental.

history would record that he was still waiting on his first oscar though, and that matters more to them than anything

Nicky91 · 01-04-2022, 02:00 PM

if they take any action against Will, then also something against Chris please, i sympathize with Will in terms of how inappropriate that ''joke'' was

would be similar if someone made a joke about Bruce Willis his condition now

making a mockery of such conditions is just simply disgusting, and i am more shocked about Chris that he did do that, i quite like him but this well he was out of line, but the way Will acted was also out of line

so if they want to punish one, they should punish both for both being involved in creating this over the top scene at a oscars ceremony

Niamh. · 01-04-2022, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Nicky91

if they take any action against Will, then also something against Chris please, i sympathize with Will in terms of how inappropriate that ''joke'' was

would be similar if someone made a joke about Bruce Willis his condition now

making a mockery of such conditions is just simply disgusting, and i am more shocked about Chris that he did do that, i quite like him but this well he was out of line, but the way Will acted was also out of line

so if they want to punish one, they should punish both for both being involved in creating this over the top scene at a oscars ceremony

You don't know Chris knew about her condition though, he didn't make a joke about alopecia, he made a joke about a hairstyle, if he did know then yes it was in poor taste but the joke wasn't that bad, Demi Moore looked great in that film with that hair cut and Jada looks great with it too. I honestly wouldn't have even thought she had her hair like that because of a condition, it just looked like a style choice and it really suits her.

bitontheslide · 01-04-2022, 02:10 PM

it's society trying to dictate what is a funny joke and what isn't, yet again. I will always support a comedians right to tell a joke and not be physically assaulted or shut down because of it

Toy Soldier · 01-04-2022, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it's society trying to dictate what is a funny joke and what isn't, yet again. I will always support a comedians right to tell a joke and not be physically assaulted or shut down because of it

Hmmmmm to be fair, I agree with that in terms of GENERAL jokes (i.e. is it ok to, in general, make a joke about alopecia) but when it comes to things like health conditions and actual individuals, I think that individual does get a say.

I'll take diabetes as an example:

- South Park, "I'm Scott Malkinson and I have diabetes!"

Fine

- One of my best friends has diabetes, we joke about it all the time and he finds it funny.

Fine

- Some random person I don't know well or who I know gets upset about having the condition...

...Not so fine to crack jokes then.

So I guess in other words, it's not OK for Jada to say "don't joke about alopecia", but it IS OK for her to say "don't joke about MY alopecia".

Swan · 01-04-2022, 03:12 PM

I don't think he should be stripped of the award, maybe a ban, but he should get to keep his Oscar. I know in the past people have done horrible, unforgivable things and thus lost their rewards/recognition for past works and achievements. However what Will did was forgivable. It was a moment of madness, and he is 100% in the wrong imo, but still, it was a very forgivable act. He swore at and slapped someone because he felt they unfairly mocked his wife, he overreacted yes, but it wasn't enough to have his past work and achievements stripped from him.

GoldHeart · 01-04-2022, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

A warning for getting on stage and hitting a presenter? You really don't think that warrants actual punishment?

I don't think he should be permanently banned No , as Swan said it was a moment of madness but I don't condone his behaviour.

Like I said I would have respected Smith more if he just used his words ,and roasted Rock back or even just calmly explained that his wife has alopecia, and how it's not something he finds appropriate to joke about.

Well what do you class as punishment ?, because if anything he's embarrassed himself and I'm pretty sure now he'll never live this down,and he's probably lost some support anyway.

Plus by giving him a warning it basically means he has to be careful how he behaves in the future at these events . That's my opinion anyway.

Niamh. · 01-04-2022, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I don't think he should be permanently banned No , as Swan said it was a moment of madness but I don't condone his behaviour.

Like I said I would have respected Smith more if he just used his words ,and roasted Rock back or even just calmly explained that his wife has alopecia, and how it's not something he finds appropriate to joke about.

Well what do you class as punishment ?, because if anything he's embarrassed himself and I'm pretty sure now he'll never live this down,and he's probably lost some support anyway.

Plus by giving him a warning it basically means he has to be careful how he behaves in the future at these events . That's my opinion anyway.

I think he should be banned for a few years at least.

Zizu · 01-04-2022, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Swan

I don't think he should be stripped of the award, maybe a ban, but he should get to keep his Oscar. I know in the past people have done horrible, unforgivable things and thus lost their rewards/recognition for past works and achievements. However what Will did was forgivable. It was a moment of madness, and he is 100% in the wrong imo, but still, it was a very forgivable act. He swore at and slapped someone because he felt they unfairly mocked his wife, he overreacted yes, but it wasn't enough to have his past work and achievements stripped from him.

That’s an excellent assessment of the situation imho

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GoldHeart · 01-04-2022, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

I think he should be banned for a few years at least.

I know assault is assault ( assuming it was real and not fake), I believe it was real but I did wonder if it was a set up .

I think it depends on the circumstance,if he punched Chris Rock and caused serious injury then i'd probably agree with you.

Obviously the angry shouting afterwards and him refusing to leave doesn't look good on Will Smith's side either. But like I said his image has been altered now. Who knows maybe the next Oscars he might not even turn up after all this.

bitontheslide · 01-04-2022, 04:12 PM

it will be interesting over time to see what affect this has. The bottom line is, will he continue to be a box office draw across the world, because that will ultimately dictate his future in the business

Niamh. · 02-04-2022, 08:22 AM

He's resigned as an Academy Member

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60963054

bitontheslide · 02-04-2022, 08:27 AM

he must have got wind that he was going to get booted out and jumped before he was pushed because it seemed to me a few days ago he thought he could get away with it like nothing had happened

Cherie · 02-04-2022, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

he must have got wind that he was going to get booted out and jumped before he was pushed because it seemed to me a few days ago he thought he could get away with it like nothing had happened

They more than likely gave him this option to jump before he was pushed

Niamh. · 02-04-2022, 09:05 AM

Yeah agree with Cherie on that one, it isn't enough though imo, he needs to be banned from attending too for a few years.

Dogeatdog · 02-04-2022, 09:13 AM

“The Academy says its disciplinary proceedings will continue, which leaves open the possibility that he could be stripped of the Oscar he won on Sunday - although that seems unlikely - or he could be denied future appearance at Academy Awards ceremonies.”

So there’s still a chance he can be banned from attending. I think stripping him of his award is too harsh but I definitely think he should be banned for a few years, as much as I like Will his actions need to have consequences.

Niamh. · 02-04-2022, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Dogeatdog

“The Academy says its disciplinary proceedings will continue, which leaves open the possibility that he could be stripped of the Oscar he won on Sunday - although that seems unlikely - or he could be denied future appearance at Academy Awards ceremonies.”

So there’s still a chance he can be banned from attending. I think stripping him of his award is too harsh but I definitely think he should be banned for a few years, as much as I like Will his actions need to have consequences.

I don't necessarily think taking the award is too harsh, I just don't think it makes any sense, he won for his performance in that film, that was decided already, taking it away is taking away the number of awards from the film itself as well which isn't fair on everyone else involved with the film plus everyone knows he won anyway

Dogeatdog · 02-04-2022, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't necessarily think taking the award is too harsh, I just don't think it makes any sense, he won for his performance in that film, that was decided already, taking it away is taking away the number of awards from the film itself as well which isn't fair on everyone else involved with the film plus everyone knows he won anyway

Yh it’s definitely unfair on the rest of the people involved with the film if the award is taken away from him. They shouldn’t be punished because of Will’s actions that just doesn’t sit right with me tbh and like you said it wouldn’t really make much sense anyways as it was already decided he was going to win before the incident occurred.

I think a ban from the award ceremonies for a few years at least would be a fairer punishment.

Niamh. · 02-04-2022, 09:41 AM

And also, they've already given him the award if they're going to go back now and take it then in the interest of fairness they'd need to go back and take the awards from people like Weinstein and Polanski. Banning him from the event because if his behaviour at the event for a period of time is much more straightforward and fitting