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By claiming there's no such thing as male and female bodies, trans activists have wrecked all the good work of the gay rights charity I helped found, says Stonewall co-founder SIMON FANSHAWE
The founder of Stonewall has said his work is 'in danger of being wrecked' Barrister Allison Bailey is suing her legal chambers for allegedly curbing her work and her income because of her view that there are only two sexes She says she has been punished for speaking out against Stonewall policies The lawyer, who founded the LGB Alliance group, opposes many of Stonewall's policies, including the assertion that 'trans women are women' My jaw hit the floor during the Stonewall discrimination trial this week when the LGBT charity’s ‘head of trans inclusion’ Kirrin Medcalf took the stand and declared: ‘Bodies are not inherently male or female. They are just their bodies.’ But as those words sank in, my heart sank to my boots too. I was one of the six co-founders of Stonewall in the 1980s. Along with the others, I poured all my energy into making the organisation a formidable force for gay and lesbian rights. All that work is now in danger of being wrecked, Stonewall’s reputation discredited, and its credibility squandered, by trans activists — not all trans people, I hasten to add — who believe they can dictate what everyone is allowed to say and think. People such as Kirrin Medcalf imagine that reality can be reshaped to fit their requirements. Asked whether there is a difference between biological sex and gender preference, Medcalf denied it. According to the official Stonewall position — and to disagree is to be regarded as a heretic or, in the current lingo, ‘transphobic’ — people are literally whichever biological sex they choose to be. ![]() Medcalf appears unaware of the screaming contradictions in this position. One barrister asked pointedly about whether there are any circumstances where it would be OK to treat someone according to their biological sex. The Stonewall employee offered that this would be OK ‘at a cervical screening service’. So it seems that even in Stonewall’s world, there are still occasions when the reality of sex stubbornly resists the pretence. But it is Stonewall’s trans activists, apparently, who have the privilege of choosing those occasions. Other people don’t — and, in particular, the definition of what ‘a woman’ is must never be left up to women themselves. This trial has become a spectacle of ludicrousness. The barrister Allison Bailey is suing her legal chambers, Garden Court in London’s Lincoln’s Inn Fields, for allegedly curbing her work and her income because of her view that there are only two sexes. She says she has been punished for speaking out against Stonewall’s trans policies and arguing that it is undermining the hard-won rights of gay, lesbian and bisexual people in its determination to promote its trans doctrine. Full Article : https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Stonewall.html
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The logical end-point of gender identity ideology is that there can be no such thing as traditional sexuality (gay or straight). Frankly it's already severely affecting gay women (thrown to the wolves, because of course) and most gay men don't have much to say about it because it's not at their door yet ... because it's the largest part of LGBT still and needed as allies. But it'll be fair game eventually.
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Drink the Kool Aid
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nihilism
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Isn’t there already a thread about her court case? Does every instance of trans-bashing really need it’s own dedicated thread?
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Drink the Kool Aid
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It's nowhere near being transphobic anyway if you really look at the issue - modern gender identity ideology is going to completely **** over trans people as well when no longer needed. It'll be out with them and their normative, old-fashioned ideas about gender. How can you be a trans man or a trans woman when there is no such thing as a man or a woman? It becomes meaningless. Definitely coming. The Q is on a collision course with the LGBT. Even a Stonewall founding member believes so. Is he a transphobe? Obviously not, he will have worked perfectly happily alongside trans people for decades. He's (rightly) critical of the new gender ideology (hyperindividualism, "unique identity" politics) that's been on the rise for just a few years. He'll be branded a transphobe for that, regardless of his history.
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Yes it was on Newsnight BBC2HD
last night. Like after Johnson PM spoke the trans bike rider was deleted from the Race. It is cheating Last edited by arista; 13-05-2022 at 12:22 PM. |
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I don't think so, no.
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It just seems like more & more of these "activists" ,give genuine people trying to make a difference for good a bad name . Why is there so many crazy ones that get a platform ??.
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self-oscillating
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this is why all the major organisations that initially supported stonewall are now dropping it like a .... stone
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Seems like a hijacking of a cause/causes to push a different agenda entirely
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