[arista]

Sky Text:
[Schools are under no legal obligation
to address children by a new pronoun
or allow them to wear the school uniform
of a different gender,
Attorney-General Suella Braverman
has told The Times.]

[Toy Soldier]

I think “pandering” is a little inflammatory, some sort of legislation was needed though, not for people requesting a genuine change - I think changing gender pronouns should in essence be accepted by people in general, although If draw a line at “neo pronouns” - he/she/they is ample, expecting staff to remember the individualised made-up pronouns of 1000+ kids is ludicrous.

Why there does need to be protection against “pandering though: there needs to be some sort of limitation where a discussion can be had. I’ve heard of kids at my daughters school changing pronouns twice a month… sometimes multiple times within one week… and then kicking off at teachers for using the “wrong pronouns”. That’s just not sustainable, kids use it to hold teachers over a barrel.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Good news hopefully this latest fad will fade away

[bitontheslide]

bring back the cane i say, that will bring some discipline back to the classroom

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

bring back the cane i say, that will bring some discipline back to the classroom

and the Tawse!

[Cherie]

Some teachers were literally sadists back in the day

[Oliver_W]

It might be an idea for there to be a "Section 28" on gender issues.

[Liam-]

Heading back to section 28 I see, after they’ve spent the last couple of decades apologising for it, but never mind, it’s just trans kids this time, they deserve it right?

[Toy Soldier]

No to anything like section 28 obviously, it’s not about banning anything, just enshrining (legally) that teachers don’t have to maintain an “unquestioning acceptance” position. They should still be respectful of kids who seem to know what they want and what they’re talking about, it’s not a teachers place to do anything other than that, but there has to be something in place for things like the example I used above; kids who are switching pronouns (and often names alongside) repeatedly. Teachers first and foremost need to be able to find out if there’s something else going on for those kids, and secondary to that, they need to be able to call out kids who are doing it specifically because they know it’s “not allowed” to be questioned and are taking the piss.

[Nicky91]

britain continuing to live in the middle ages

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by nicky91

Britain continuing to live in the middle ages

there were no public schools in the middle ages

so what do you mean?

[Nicky91]

just boycott schools


as if teachers would mind that, then they can do their favourite hobby again, going to strike for increase of salaries

[Oliver_W]

Gender is a social construct and has no bearing on reality - if a kid from my year in school identified as a fish, s/he wouldn't be allowed to sit in the bottom of the pool all day, so why should trans-identification be any different?

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

They should still be respectful of kids who seem to know what they want and what they’re talking about

So should an under-16 be able to consent to sex with an adult, if they "want it" and have been given presentations on what consent is? Nope.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Teachers first and foremost need to be able to find out if there’s something else going on for those kids

Yup, especially with the correlation between trans-identification and having experienced abuse.

[Toy Soldier]

To clarify I’m a flat “no” on medical intervention (I.e. hormones and puberty blockers) and also on unquestioning acceptance; open conversations should definitely be had about what’s going on generally in kids lives. I’m also a flat no on the bathrooms issue.

But I’m also not up for teachers pointedly ignoring kids who want to present whichever way/change their name or whatever… basically just because that’s also overstepping as a teacher.

Again I’d draw the line at the neo-pronouns because that’s the point for me where it stops being about gender identity and starts being about hyperindividualism. I mean… having your own special pronouns actually goes against the entire shorthand function and purpose OF a pronoun… you might as well just have no pronouns and always refer by name.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

To clarify I’m a flat “no” on medical intervention (I.e. hormones and puberty blockers) and also on unquestioning acceptance; open conversations should definitely be had about what’s going on generally in kids lives. I’m also a flat no on the bathrooms issue.

But I’m also not up for teachers pointedly ignoring kids who want to present whichever way/change their name or whatever… basically just because that’s also overstepping as a teacher.

Again I’d draw the line at the neo-pronouns because that’s the point for me where it stops being about gender identity and starts being about hyperindividualism. I mean… having your own special pronouns actually goes against the entire shorthand function and purpose OF a pronoun… you might as well just have no pronouns and always refer by name.

Does anyone know at what age doctors are giving youngsters hormone treatments ?

Also I assumed that parents would have to give their permission before hormone treatments are given to their children!?


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[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Does anyone know at what age doctors are giving youngsters hormone treatments ?

Also I assumed that parents would have to give their permission before hormone treatments are given to their children!?


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i think the problem in the first place is the parent (s)

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Does anyone know at what age doctors are giving youngsters hormone treatments ?

Also I assumed that parents would have to give their permission before hormone treatments are given to their children!?


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As young as 8 yrs old i heard on tv other day , its insane.

[Oliver_W]

There's the unproven claim that puberty blockers are 100% safe and reversable which gets bandied around to justify putting children on them, but I don't know what the lower limit for them is.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and the Tawse!

I was never hit at school it was phased out as I entered juniors. I also never hit my kids with belts so the thought of a stranger hitting my children with one is bizarre.

As if it was ever normal!.. that's wierd.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by hijaxers

As young as 8 yrs old i heard on tv other day , its insane.

That’s so sad ...


With parent’s consent ??


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[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

To clarify I’m a flat “no” on medical intervention (I.e. hormones and puberty blockers) and also on unquestioning acceptance; open conversations should definitely be had about what’s going on generally in kids lives. I’m also a flat no on the bathrooms issue.

But I’m also not up for teachers pointedly ignoring kids who want to present whichever way/change their name or whatever… basically just because that’s also overstepping as a teacher.

Again I’d draw the line at the neo-pronouns because that’s the point for me where it stops being about gender identity and starts being about hyperindividualism. I mean… having your own special pronouns actually goes against the entire shorthand function and purpose OF a pronoun… you might as well just have no pronouns and always refer by name.

I agree, if the parents changed the kids name from say kyle to Kylie by deed poll then surely the teachers would have to respect that? Even if they still call them a boy?

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

There's the unproven claim that puberty blockers are 100% safe and reversable which gets bandied around to justify putting children on them, but I don't know what the lower limit for them is.

I heard that whilst the physical changes are reversible the changes in the brain are permanent .. sounds feasible tbh


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[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I heard that whilst the physical changes are reversible the changes in the brain are permanent .. sounds feasible tbh


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It can cause permanent infertility or at least fertility problems (even for those who don’t go on to transition), that’s been confirmed. There’s some evidence that it can affect aspects of brain development, IIRC with thus-far unknown long term consequences.