[LeatherTrumpet]

JK Rowling has called Nicola Sturgeon a “destroyer of women’s rights” after a
Holyrood inquiry ridiculously approved plans to allow Scots to self-identify their legal
gender without medical proof.


MSPs have backed new legislation which would allow 16-year-olds to apply for a
Gender Recognition Certificate (GRC) without a formal diagnosis of gender
dysphoria.

The plans also cut the time an individual has to live in their “acquired
gender” from two years to three months before making an application.

The Harry Potter author took to Twitter on Thursday to give her support to
hundreds of protesters from For Women Scotland who gathered outside
Holyrood to protest against the reforms.

Opponents said they were concerned “predatory males” would use the GRC reforms to “gain access” to women’s spaces.

They argued the Bill “contradicts aspects of the Equality Act” and erodes
“safety, privacy, dignity and opportunities for women”.

Critics also claimed 16-year-olds are too young to make such life-altering
decisions” that could lead to the use of “puberty blockers” and surgery.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...womens-rights/

[Oliver_W]

Gender needs to be abolished from basically all legislature. Biological sex should be all that's acknowledged.

[Mystic Mock]

Personally I don't think that 16 year olds are old enough to know if they're Trans or not.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Personally I don't think that 16 year olds are old enough to know if they're Trans or not.

I agree
They should wait till 18 at least .

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I agree
They should wait till 18 at least .

I agree with you on 18.

I know that it's only a couple of years difference, but at that age it does make a huge difference maturity wise.

[Niamh.]

https://medium.com/@rebeccarc/j-k-ro...ts-78e01dca68d

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

https://medium.com/@rebeccarc/j-k-ro...ts-78e01dca68d

The obsession with telling a woman to suck their private bits, they seriously need help . Grotesque.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

https://medium.com/@rebeccarc/j-k-ro...ts-78e01dca68d

Quite. There's never been any proof of actual transpobia from Rowling.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

The obsession with telling a woman to suck their private bits, they seriously need help . Grotesque.

Yeah I mean those responses are literally proving JK Rowlings points for her........

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

https://medium.com/@rebeccarc/j-k-ro...ts-78e01dca68d

Shutting down the debate in that manner is typical of people who spout acceptance for all, just as long as you agree with them on everything. It's the opposite of liberation. That they don't see how badly they come across is truly horrifying. Worst still, the authorities at be pander to these people.

They have nothing constructive to add, so they react with abuse and tantrums. Having meltdowns whilst calling others "snowflakes" and high fiveing. The irony would be funny if it wasn't so toxic and vicious.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Swan

Shutting down the debate in that manner is typical of people who spout acceptance for all, just as long as you agree with them on everything. It's the opposite of liberation. That they don't see how badly they come across is truly horrifying. Worst still, the authorities at be pander to these people.

They have nothing constructive to add, so they react with abuse and tantrums. Having meltdowns whilst calling others "snowflakes" and high fiveing. The irony would be funny if it wasn't so toxic and vicious.

It's actually disturbing how toxic it is , there's zero coherence. Some of these insane weirdos have actually tried to dox JK Rowling's address aswell !.

None of them can have a proper debate, it's just constant vulgar abuse . There's alot of jumping on the bandwagon aswell.

It takes a hardcore republican like Blaire White to actually talk common sense . She's a trans person who is against all this nonsense. I find myself agreeing with her alot ,and I'm left wing .

Youtube video

[LeatherTrumpet]

When people think that they are so right and cant be wrong it leads to the extreme fringes of that group resorting to terror

and it starts with group-think name calling and slurs...

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

https://medium.com/@rebeccarc/j-k-ro...ts-78e01dca68d

all very reasonable tweets, I can't see one reasonable response yet we are supposed to let people who post stuff like this into women only spaces, and I know some of these are women who really need to take a look at themselves

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

It's actually disturbing how toxic it is , there's zero coherence. Some of these insane weirdos have actually tried to dox JK Rowling's address aswell !.

None of them can have a proper debate, it's just constant vulgar abuse . There's alot of jumping on the bandwagon aswell.

It takes a hardcore republican like Blaire White to actually talk common sense . She's a trans person who is against all this nonsense. I find myself agreeing with her alot ,and I'm left wing .

Youtube video

Love Blair, she's great. I feel bad for her though because it's actual trans people like Blair who will end up suffering because of the whole TRA movement and she knows it too

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Personally I don't think that 16 year olds are old enough to know if they're Trans or not.

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I agree
They should wait till 18 at least .

Should people not be allowed to be gay until they’re 18 too?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Should people not be allowed to be gay until they’re 18 too?

Being trans-identifying isn't the same as having a same sex attraction.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Should people not be allowed to be gay until they’re 18 too?

I think you know the difference here Liam, the issue is the medicalisation and being able to consent to putting yourself on that pathway that may leave you infertile, without sexual function and a host of other serious issues (early onset menopause, osteoporosis etc), comparing being gay which is who you are attracted to, to committing to transitioning are worlds a part, trying to act like they're similar is both disingenuous and quite frankly dangerous.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Love Blair, she's great. I feel bad for her though because it's actual trans people like Blair who will end up suffering because of the whole TRA movement and she knows it too

Yeah it's basically making the community look bad , because people will tar them with the same brush... & assume all "trans folk" behave this way . It's really damaging.

There's a trans man on YouTube aswell who talks alot of sense on this topic too . He can see the foolery.

Youtube video

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I think you know the difference here Liam, the issue is the medicalisation and being able to consent to putting yourself on that pathway that may leave you infertile, without sexual function and a host of other serious issues (early onset menopause, osteoporosis etc), comparing being gay which is who you are attracted to, to committing to transitioning are worlds a part, trying to act like they're similar is both disingenuous and quite frankly dangerous.

I’m referring purely to the stupidity of stating that a 16 year old isn’t old enough to know who and what they are, speak to any lgbt person and the vast majority of them will tell you that’s complete rubbish

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I’m referring purely about the stupidity of stating that a 16 year old isn’t old enough to know who and what they are, speak to any lgbt person and the vast majority of of them will tell you that’s complete rubbish

Ok, I took it to mean that they should wait until they are over 18 to be able to consent to putting themselves on a life long path of medicalisation and to really understand the consequences of that.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Should people not be allowed to be gay until they’re 18 too?

Liam don't be silly , that's not even the same thing.

Gay people do not go through gender reassignment, if they're just gay . Also dressing up a certain way is different , to actually taking puberty blockers & having medical surgery.

Medically making & letting a child go through gender reassignment is wrong . Once it's been done that's it. Think of the consequences.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Ok, I took it to mean that they should wait until they are over 18 to be able to consent to putting themselves on a life long path of medicalisation and to really understand the consequences of that.

That’s not even close to what was said

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Liam don't be silly , that's not even the same thing.

Gay people do not go through gender reassignment, if they're just gay . Also dressing up a certain way is different , to actually taking puberty blockers & having medical surgery.

Medically making & letting a child go through gender reassignment is wrong . Once it's been done that's it. Think of the consequences.

16 year old are legally allowed to make their own medical decisions, you agreed that 16 year olds aren’t old enough to know what and who they are, that’s rubbish, you probably knew who you were at 16, I knew who I was at 16, to tell teenagers that they’re just confused when they know they’re not and that they have no right to make decisions about themselves, is damaging and can lead to all sorts of issues, as studies have proven time and time again.

It’s like people would rather young people be depressed, suicidal or dead than be trans and it’s a truly sad state of affairs to see the complete lack of compassion, empathy and understanding towards people that are already facing hardships just because of who they are

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Liam-

That’s not even close to what was said

Gender argument aside ,how many of us truly knew what we wanted to be at 16 ? .

I understand 16 can be a bit of a grey area,as legally you can do a few things at age 16 ie have sex etc . I don't agree with that either.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

16 year old are legally allowed to make their own medical decisions, you agreed that 16 year olds aren’t old enough to know what and who they are, that’s rubbish, you probably knew who you were at 16, I knew who I was at 16, to tell teenagers that they’re just confused when they know they’re not and that they have no right to make decisions about themselves, is damaging and can lead to all sorts of issues, as studies have proven time and time again.

It’s like people would rather young people be depressed, suicidal or dead than be trans and it’s a truly sad state of affairs to see the complete lack of compassion, empathy and understanding towards people that are already facing hardships just because of who they are

16 is nowhere near old enough to decide that you want remove any chance of having a baby or deciding you're OK with having no or diminished sexual function. This isn't ordinary medical decisions made to heal or help your body, these are body alterations that will make your body function less well and carry massive risks