[Redway]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

It literally is though. Body dysmorphia in general is a mental health disorder, no-one would dispute that. So why does saying that become controversial when we're talking about someone whose "gender identity" doesn't align with what they actually are?

It wasn’t too long ago that homosexuality was a psychiatric diagnosis.

[Redway]

I’m not even pro-trans. like that but I just know I don’t regard them as sick for wanting to transition.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Redway

It wasn’t too long ago that homosexuality was a psychiatric diagnosis.

An attraction to the same sex isn't really comparable to believing your body is wrong. You may as well compare homosexuality to anorexia.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

An attraction to the same sex isn't really comparable to believing your body is wrong. You may as well compare homosexuality to anorexia.

Short of 60 - 90 milligrams of phenelzine (which isn’t even well-known as a treatment for troublesomely-divergent sexual orientations, but I personally believe it most-likely has some benefit) there’s little in the way of actual medical treatment for gender dysphoria (which is a whole-different best to body dysmorphic disorder so between you and God only y’all know where on Earth that comparison came from). That speaks bits to me.

[parmnion]

Doctors know best

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Redway

Short of 60 - 90 milligrams of phenelzine (which isn’t even well-known as a treatment for troublesomely-divergent sexual orientations, but I personally believe it most-likely has some benefit) there’s little in the way of actual medical testament for gender dysphoria (which is a whole-different best to body dysmorphic disorder so between you and God only y’all know where on Earth that comparison came from). That speaks bits to me.

Body dysmophic disorders and "gender dysphoria" are closer to each other than either are with homosexuality. Both show a disconnect between someone's body and their mental perception.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Doctors know best

Lol. I doubt you’d be saying that in 1965.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Body dysmophic disorders and "gender dysphoria" are closer to each other than either are with homosexuality. Both show a disconnect between someone's body and their mental perception.

I just think that pathologising them and seeing them as functional hebephrenic depressives is a very outdated and anti-L.G.B.T. way of thinking. Look, I’m not necessarily pro-trans. (at-all) but every lucid-enough adult should have a right to free will without being called crazy (although I admittedly more-than draw the line at people identifying with the ‘sixteenth gender’ and all those other arbitrary non-binary classifications, because that really is nuts).

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Redway

I just think that pathologising them and seeing them as functional hebephrenic depressives is a very outdated and anti-L.G.B.T. way of thinking. Look, I’m not necessarily pro-trans. (at-all) but every lucid-enough adult should have a right to free will without being called crazy (although I admittedly more-than draw the line at people identifying with the ‘sixteenth gender’ and all those other arbitrary non-binary classifications, because that really is nuts).

This thread is not about adults though, it's about treatment of under 18's and being more thorough. The reason why they're doing this is because they've began to get sued by young patients who were given these drugs and now regret it (and can't ever fully change their bodies back) and are saying they should have been investigated more thoroughly by the Dr's and therapists who dealt with them

https://theconversation.com/tavistoc...atients-149788

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

This thread is not about adults though, it's about treatment of under 18's and being more thorough. The reason why they're doing this is because they've began to get sued by young patients who were given these drugs and now regret it (and can't ever fully change their bodies back) and are saying they should have been investigated more thoroughly by the Dr's and therapists who dealt with them

https://theconversation.com/tavistoc...atients-149788

And I fully agree that kids/younger teenagers should have suitable restrictions imposed on them re. transitioning (I did say that nearer the top of this thread) but Oliver’s spun the line out further and called ‘gender-dysphoria’ a straight-up mental disorder, which I just think is an outdated line of thinking.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Redway

And I fully agree that kids/younger teenagers should have suitable restrictions imposed on them re. transitioning (I did say that nearer the top of this thread) but Oliver’s spun the line out further and called ‘gender-dysphoria’ a straight-up mental disorder, which I just think is an outdated line of thinking.

That's a whole other discussion to the one in this thread

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That's a whole other discussion to the one in this thread

It might be but that’s the direction Oliver seemed to want to take it.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Doctors know best

A few weeks ago a young doctor said to me ..

“we basically know NOTHING about Covid19 “
..

So reassuring.


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[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Redway

I just think that pathologising them and seeing them as functional hebephrenic depressives is a very outdated and anti-L.G.B.T. way of thinking. Look, I’m not necessarily pro-trans. (at-all) but every lucid-enough adult should have a right to free will without being called crazy (although I admittedly more-than draw the line at people identifying with the ‘sixteenth gender’ and all those other arbitrary non-binary classifications, because that really is nuts).

"I don't think people compulsively starving themselves or throwing up everything they eat should be branded as having a disorder"

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

"I don't think people compulsively starving themselves or throwing up everything they eat should be branded as having a disorder"

I’m not the one who likened transsexualism with bulimia/anorexia nervosa. At least go off my words if you want to argue.

[Redway]

Going off the tangent in such an off-the-mark, ‘erm this is so-blatantly not what he said for a split second but let me just self-contradict myself to be a transphobic’ way is a very lazy way to argue.

[LeatherTrumpet]

President Joe Biden has said it is wrong to block children’s access to sex change
surgeries or puberty blockers.

Mr Biden, who hosted a popular trans TikToker at the White House last week,
said he believed it was both a moral and legal issue as he spoke to a panel of
activists for the NowThis News presidential forum.

When asked if red states should have the right to pass laws limiting access to
gender reassignment treatments, Mr Biden said in comments published on
Sunday: “I don’t think any state or anybody should have the right to do that.


“As a moral question and as a legal question, I just think it’s wrong,” the
president added.

[bitontheslide]

he is desperate for votes in the midterms

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

he is desperate for votes in the midterms

Its actually pathetic

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Redway

I’m not the one who likened transsexualism with bulimia/anorexia nervosa. At least go off my words if you want to argue.

No, I'm the one drawing the comparison. I'm not the one acting as if someone wanting to alter their body chemistry and increase their risk of strokes just so they can grow moobs, because of their "gender" ... doesnt have a mental disorder.

[Liam-]

I mean he’s right though, in a country that based itself off of freedom, taking away a families choice of how to deal with a sensitive situation like having a trans child and the choice of how to proceed is legally and morally wrong

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

No, I'm the one drawing the comparison. I'm not the one acting as if someone wanting to alter their body chemistry and increase their risk of strokes just so they can grow moobs, because of their "gender" ... doesnt have a mental disorder.

‘I’m not the one who claims that an ignorant non-vegetarian who wilfully increases their chance of cancer just to eat red meat doesn’t have an undiagnosed mental disorder.’

Your transphobia (thinly-veiled through you being relatively well-read and thinking that your semi-academic air is enough to present your opinions as indisputable facts) is disgusting.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I mean he’s right though, in a country that based itself off of freedom, taking away a families choice of how to deal with a sensitive situation like having a trans child and the choice of how to proceed is legally and morally wrong

I’m not even talking about kids though (I agree that developing teenagers/young kids should be given enough time to really think through their choices/options) if that post is aimed at me. I’m just addressing Oliver’s silliness and transphobia.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Redway

I’m not even talking about kids though (I agree that developing teenagers/young kids should be given enough time to really think through their choices/options) if that post is aimed at me. I’m just addressing Oliver’s silliness and transphobia.

No that was aimed at the Biden bashing, you’re right about Oliver, he loves to paint trans people as mentally ill quite often

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Liam-

No that was aimed at the Biden bashing, you’re right about Oliver, he loves to paint trans people as mentally ill quite often

Oh, I see.

And yeah, Oliver’s a funny one. People are entitled to have whatever opinions they like in private but such undisguised transphobia/pathologisation of the T. community (and a ridiculous parallel being drawn with eating disorders) through just isn’t acceptable in 2022. It’s crazy.