[Niamh.]

Imagine how boy "E" must be feeling after hearing how close he was to being the victim too. Chilling stuff.

[arista]

[A plan to kill Brianna Ghey was found
in the bedroom of one of the 16-year-olds
accused of her murder, a court has heard.
The body of Brianna, 16, who was transgender,
was discovered by dog walkers in a park
in Culcheth, Cheshire, on 11 February.
The court heard the girl sent the other teenager
charged a picture of a handwritten
note headed: "Saturday 11th February 2023.
Victim: Brianna Ghey."

The two teenagers both deny murder.

The trial at Manchester Crown Court has
previously heard they had
"a preoccupation with torture".

The pair, who were 15 at the time,
cannot be named because of their age
and are identified only as girl X,
from Warrington, and boy Y, from Leigh,
Greater Manchester.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...ester-67530445

[Niamh.]

Sounds like they have ample proof and proof to show it was pre-meditated too

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Sounds like they have ample proof and proof to show it was pre-meditated too

They are blaming each other, it sounds like there was just one knife while the plan included two, sounds to me like girl x was clever getting boy y to do the deed, then she texted Brianna after the news broke asking why she had gone off with some random....she sounds very conniving

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I am interested in the motivation, it seems they just wanted to kill someone...anyone would do kind of thing to get a sick thrill, I also want to know whether these kids are in care or have families and whether we are looking at a a case where they had upbringings like Jamie Bulgers killers

Yes that is an interesting factor granted ..
It’s the gruesome details I’d rather not know ..

I have a dreadful memory so I only recall precious/ important or shocking details .. so I keep horrible memories to a minimum ..


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Imagine how boy "E" must be feeling after hearing how close he was to being the victim too. Chilling stuff.

Yeah the other potential victims may have mixed views on the matter


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Sounds like they have ample proof and proof to show it was pre-meditated too

I hope they get the most severe punishment possible


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[Redway]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

How does that make sense? Unless it was a targeted attack for personal reasons which have nothing to do with them bejng trans?

I know you have reservations about the whole trans agenda but 2 kids were killed … and that’s your response?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Redway

I know you have reservations about the whole trans agenda but 2 kids were killed … and that’s your response?

It seems to me that being trans was a selecting factor but they were actively looking for people to target like calling the other guy a nonce for whatever reason. They sound like absolute psychopaths

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Redway

I know you have reservations about the whole trans agenda but 2 kids were killed … and that’s your response?

I mean, reservations is one way of putting it.

I get what you mean, Niamh.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I hope they get the most severe punishment possible


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James Bulgers killers only got 8 years in a young offenders unit ,never went to prison,then were let out with new IDs so these two will get more or less the same,instead of being locked up for life,just evil thugs.

[bitontheslide]

to me they had personal prejudices about a number of kids that all became potential targets, and they then went for the one they thought was the easiest/could get away with

[Cherie]

From what I have read Girl x was obsessed with Brianna because of how different she was, maybe she was rejected by her? but as BOTs said it does seem they went for the easy target

[Oliver_W]

From some of the messages and details read out on Sky News, they sound a right evil pair...
Like, obviously one would have to be. But their words and thoughts laid out bare, horrific.

[Zizu]

Apparently they poisoned the poor girl weeks before.. gave her a massive dose of ibuprofen !!


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[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Apparently they poisoned the poor girl weeks before.. gave her a massive dose of ibuprofen !!


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Yeah in a milkshake or something?!

They almost sound like they should be in Arkham Asylum rather than prison tbh. They don't sound like typical-minded scum.

[Cherie]

A boy accused of murdering Brianna Ghey told police he saw his co-accused stabbing her, a court has heard.

Brianna, 16, who was transgender, was found stabbed 28 times with a knife in Culcheth Linear Park in Cheshire on the afternoon of 11 February.

Girl X and boy Y, who cannot be named because of their ages, both deny murder.

Manchester Crown Court heard they both blamed each other for being responsible for Brianna's death.

At the start of the second week of the trial, jurors were shown video recorded police interviews with the suspects after their arrests, the day after Brianna's death.

Warning: Some readers might find the following report distressing

Boy Y said girl X had invited Brianna, who he had never met before, to meet up and go to the park, and suggested an area near a bench.
He said: "I turned away to go to the toilet behind a tree.

"When I turned back around I saw girl X stabbing Brianna. Brianna was on the floor."

Boy Y told detectives he saw Brianna curled up on the floor and girl X, who had a knife, was standing over her.

He said: "I went to check if Brianna was alive. I put my hands on her. I got blood all on my hands."


A detective asked him: "Did you see where the blood was coming from?"

"Everywhere," boy Y replied.

He said girl X stopped stabbing Brianna because she saw a member of the public in the park and she ran away.

He followed, with them both then walking away from the park

Boy Y continued: "I asked her why she did it. She said Brianna tried to break her and her boyfriend up."

He said girl X appeared "calm", but he was "shocked and panicked".

And he told police he did not see the knife and did not know what girl X did with it afterwards.

But jurors have been told it was now accepted Brianna was killed with a hunting knife belonging to boy Y, which was found in his bedroom at his home with Brianna's blood still on the weapon.




https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...na/ar-AA1kZ4wB

[Niamh.]

Boy Y is full of **** obviously.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Boy Y is full of **** obviously.

totally, like he seems to have forgotten they had a number of targets

[bitontheslide]

they can't each blame the other when there is so much evidence linking both their involvement. It shows how poor a defence they each have

[arista]

[Brianna Ghey trial hears police found
hunting knife with her blood
on it in teenager's bedroom after
schoolgirl was murdered in 'frenzied attack']

[The scientist told Manchester Crown Court
that a hunting knife found in Boy Y's bedroom after
his arrest had Brianna's blood.

She said: 'One explanation is that he had used
the knife and then tried to clean it,
leaving behind staining in an area
not easily accessible.']

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ed-attack.html


Evil Killers

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Boy Y is full of **** obviously.

This.

And even if his story has any truth to it about Girl X or whatever they're calling her, it still doesn't absolve his involvement in the slightest.

[Ammi]

…although I’m not following all of the court case details of Brianna’s killing…this Guardian article is something I read earlier…the written note of the ‘plan’ to kill by the female accused…as said in the article, she wrote another note/list of ‘trustworthy factors’ of why the accused boy would be a ‘favoured accomplice’…

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...an-to-kill-her

…I was wondering also when I read the article…if there is anything that a handwriting expert would see in that note, anything to indicate any sociopathic behaviours or concerns …(…other than the actual wording, obviously/ the handwriting itself../I know how much that was analysed during the Peter Sutcliffe killings…)…anyway, I doubt that either of the accused/or anyone has any doubts whatsoever that the verdict will be guilty, even their legal representatives…it’s all really for them and for the family and everyone, about what the sentencing will be now ….although the knife/weapon was found in the male accused’s bedroom with Brianna’s blood and also her blood on his clothing/his person…no blood evidence was found in the female accused…so far as were told …

[Cherie]

She conned to boy into killing Brianna, the plan was both to stab her, but it looks like he was the only one who brought a weapon or if she did, she didn't use it

[Cherie]

Agirl denied turning “dark fantasies” of torture and killing into reality with the “frenzied” stabbing of transgender teen Brianna Ghey, a court has heard.

The 16-year-old, identified only as girl X, said she was attracted to Brianna and also fantasised about killing her but had no intention of carrying it out, a jury at Manchester Crown Court heard.

She denied having to wipe Brianna’s blood from her face after the killing.

Brianna, 16, was stabbed with a hunting knife 28 times in her head, neck, chest and back in Linear Park in Culcheth, near Warrington, on the afternoon of February 11 earlier this year.

Prosecutors allege the anxious, transgender teenager was deliberately lured there for a killing planned by girl X and her co-accused, identified only as boy Y.
Both girl X and boy Y, both aged 15 at the time – now both 16, deny murder and are blaming each other for Brianna’s death. Neither can be named due to their age.

Jurors have heard girl X enjoyed watching internet torture and killing material from the “dark web” and had an interest in serial killers, with both teenagers fixated with torture, violence and death, it is alleged.

In the witness box for a second day, Richard Littler KC, defending boy Y, asked girl X: “Why would you have a fantasy about murdering your good friend?”


She replied: “I’m not sure. I don’t know where it comes from.”

Mr Littler continued: “I’m going to suggest, this was not fantasy anymore, this was something you could do. You could stab Brianna?”

“No,” she replied.

Girl X told the court the three teenagers had planned to “hang out” in the park and while there she pretended to Brianna to be in contact via Snapchat with a drug dealer to deliver some drugs to them, but he was delayed.

Mr Littler suggested this was to keep Brianna in the park, adding: “Might it be you were just trying to get ready to stab her, trying to find the courage to do it?”

“No,” girl X replied.

Boy Y told police he went to relieve himself behind a tree and when he came back he saw girl X stabbing Brianna.

I’m going to suggest to you that you (girl X) pretended to be friends with Brianna. But you were not really her friend at all

Richard Littler KC, defending boy Y
Girl X told the court that while Brianna was sat on a bench, she walked away to stretch her legs, heard a scream, and when she turned around she saw boy Y stabbing Brianna.

Mr Littler said: “You are basically saying the same as him now.”

Girl X has denied trying to control or manipulate boy Y.

Jurors heard about a notebook found at girl X’s house in which she described boy Y as “very, very smart, genius level” but also a “sociopath”, lacking emotion and socially awkward, who only had three followers on Instagram.

Mr Littler continued: “I’m going to suggest to you that you pretended to be friends with Brianna. But you were not really her friend at all.

“I’m going to suggest you pretended to be friends with boy Y, but you were not a good friend at all?”

“No,” replied girl X.

“I’m going to suggest you stabbed Brianna?” Mr Littler said.

“No,” girl X replied.

“Do you remember, when you were walking away from the scene with boy Y, you were wiping blood from your face. Brianna’s blood, using your saliva?” Mr Littler asked.

“No,” girl X replied again.

Earlier, jurors were shown a crumpled, handwritten note of an alleged “murder plan” to kill Brianna found on the bedroom floor of Girl X after her arrest.

I just randomly get thoughts, even if there was no intent. I don't know where it comes from or why I get them. It's normally with people that I don't like but not always, sometimes it can be with people that I do actually like and I'll still fantasise about it

Girl X
Notes were also made on serial killers including Jeffrey Dahmer, Richard Ramirez and Harold Shipman in a black notebook.

Being cross-examined by Deanna Heer KC, prosecuting, girl X was asked what she enjoyed about the idea of killing.

She said: “I’m not exactly sure, I just found the overall thing quite interesting I guess.”

Ms Heer said: “Did you like the idea of having power over somebody?”

Girl X said: “Yes.”

Ms Heer said: “Did you like the idea of being able to cause them pain and suffering?”

Girl X replied: “Yes.”

She said she found Brianna “really interesting” and “quite attractive” and agreed she enjoyed the idea of killing her.

Asked why, she said: “I just randomly get thoughts, even if there was no intent. I don’t know where it comes from or why I get them.”

She added: “It’s normally with people that I don’t like but not always, sometimes it can be with people that I do actually like and I’ll still fantasise about it.”

Ms Heer asked: “Did you find the idea of killing Brianna, who you were attracted to, exciting?”

Girl X said: “I guess so, yes.”

Ms Heer asked: “Did you think she was prettier than you?”

Girl X said: “In a way, yes, I did.”

Ms Heer asked if she thought boy Y would also enjoy the idea of killing Brianna because he did not like transgender people.

Girl X replied: “Possibly, yes.”

Is the truth that by this time, conversations were no longer fantasy, they were actually talking about how to plan a killing in real life?

Deanna Heer KC, prosecuting
She was asked about messages in which she and boy Y discussed killing Brianna by giving her cleaning products to drink.

Ms Heer asked: “Did you think that would be a horrible death?”

Girl X said: “Possibly, yes.”

Ms Heer said: “Did you enjoy the idea of that?”

Girl X said: “I think I did, yeah.”

Ms Heer continued: “You found serial killers interesting. Would you look at facts about serial killers because you were trying to work out how they went about killing people?”

Girl X replied: “That is part of the interest.”

Ms Heer said: “What did you think of that idea, of distracting somebody and then stabbing them in the neck? Is that what you and boy Y eventually do to Brianna? Did you distract her and did boy Y stab her in the neck?”

“No,” replied girl X.

Did you (girl X) want boy Y to kill Brianna while you watched? Did you want him to overpower Brianna? Did you want him to kill her?

Deanna Heer KC, prosecuting
Ms Heer said: “Is the truth that by this time, conversations were no longer fantasy, they were actually talking about how to plan a killing in real life?”

“No,” girl X said.

Ms Heer compared the similarities to Brianna’s stabbing and the “fantasy” plans about killing her, and other children, discussed between X and Y in phone messages; the luring of a victim to a “hidden spot”, the distraction, the method of stabbing and the injuries inflicted.

Ms Heer continued: “All the things you need to think about if you are planning a real killing?”

“Yes,” girl X replied.

Ms Heer said: “Did you want boy Y to kill Brianna while you watched? Did you want him to overpower Brianna? Did you want him to kill her?”

Girl X replied: “No.”

She denied taking a knife herself to meet Brianna.

Ms Heer said: “Is that because you wanted boy Y to stab Brianna and you wanted to watch so you could see the pure horror on her face?”

“No,” replied girl X.

The jury heard girl X had saved boy Y’s phone number in her phone under the name “Tesco John Wick” and that John Wick was a character from a film about a hitman played by Keanu Reeves.

Ms Heer said: “Did you think of boy Y as your assassin?”

“No,” replied girl X.

She admitted getting Brianna to come to the park by lying that they would be taking drugs and getting high.

Ms Heer continued: “Do you think if you had not lied, Brianna, she would still be alive today?”

“Yes,” girl X replied.

The trial continues.