[arista]

UTTER BLISS


After 8 years in Power

[bitontheslide]

yep, she was probably told to go

[arista]

[Nicola Sturgeon is to resign
as Scotland's first minister.

The Scottish National Party leader
is expected to make the announcement
at a hastily-arranged news conference in Edinburgh.

It is not clear exactly when she will leave office.]


BBC Scotland Reporter

[Oliver_W]

Not surprising tbh

[LeatherTrumpet]

Get her oot

[arista]

11AM

She is Speaking...................................

[bitontheslide]

it's pretty obvious she has been shown the door, she was going full steam ahead until all the gender stuff caught her out

[arista]

She Told a Prison to take a Trans Criminal

The Prison then told her they will look
at what they were born as.


Loss of Control

[Soldier Boy]

It's not even any of the policies that did it in the end - it's that she couldn't answer questions, flipped and flopped, and eventually basically resorted to saying "You're all just bigots is wot!".

T|hat might fly on TikTok or Discord or whatever but it has no place in politics whatsoever. I'm not saying you can't call out bigotry of course but you have to have an actual argument or reasoning behind it that goes beyond "I'm right cos you're bigots".

In the end she was flat out contradicting herself.

[bitontheslide]

the same thing could easily happen to starmer

[LeatherTrumpet]

People in Scotland did not like her lying to virtue signal on women can have penises crap

nor her lockdown bolloxio

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the same thing could easily happen to starmer

Yes he will tread gently
on that Hot Topic

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

It's not even any of the policies that did it in the end - it's that she couldn't answer questions, flipped and flopped, and eventually basically resorted to saying "You're all just bigots is wot!".

T|hat might fly on TikTok or Discord or whatever but it has no place in politics whatsoever. I'm not saying you can't call out bigotry of course but you have to have an actual argument or reasoning behind it that goes beyond "I'm right cos you're bigots".

In the end she was flat out contradicting herself.

Yeah 100% Not listening to women or what her voters actually wanted cost her too. Twitter is not real life (thankfully)

[joeysteele]

I stil hold good admiration for her.

She will be a very hard act to follow even moreso than was Alex Salmond.

Good luck to her for the future from me.

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

People in Scotland did not like her lying to virtue signal

I think that's it though - even with lockdown I think she at least somewhat thought she was doing the right thing genuinely (no matter what opinion may be, I think in HER mind it was the right path).

With the gender reform stuff I just was never convinced. I don't think she had looked into it properly, I don't think she knew what she was talking about (this was evident in the later interviews), I think she was talking herself in circles because people/groups were in her ear telling her to be "on the right side of history" and she got over-confident and thought "Yeah this sounds like some good anti-Tory type stuff!" and went with it. I think she thought it would be popular with a small group and not on other people's radar at all, and I can only put that down to her having believed the "gender reform doesn't affect anyone else" flat-out lie.

Again though her only really critical error for me, is that when presented with arguments that she herself CLEARLY could not logically refute and backed into a corner, she didn't say "OK I can now see that we may have jumped the gun on this and it needs a lot more thought about the best ways to go forward for everyone" ... she adopted the classic strawman tactic of accusing everyone else of not having valid or genuine concerns.

The flippant comments and angry, dismissive back-n-forth is to be expected in the general public arena but a good politician needs to be above that and staying professional has ALWAYS been what she's had over and above a lot of the Westminster bunch. Straight out the window on this. Utterly mental.

She didn't need to say "Yeah you're right, no more trans rights arrrrr!!! I have all the answers about where we go now!!!" she literally just had to say "I now appreciate that this is more complicated than I was led to believe, and it needs to go back to the drawing board to find the best solutions for all." Massive failure.

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the same thing could easily happen to starmer

I think Sturgeon will, in hushed meetings, be held up as a cautionary tale for decades to come.

[bitontheslide]

i wonder how the BBC will wrestle with this

[Oliver_W]

Could this be an opportunity for Labour to make gains in Scotland? I'm unsure as to how much SNP's rule has had to do with her and Salmond, or the party in general? And if it's the latter, would the gender bollocks have affected Joe Public's view of the party itself, or just the current leadership?

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Could this be an opportunity for Labour to make gains in Scotland? I'm unsure as to how much SNP's rule has had to do with her and Salmond, or the party in general? And if it's the latter, would the gender bollocks have affected Joe Public's view of the party itself, or just the current leadership?

i think the SNP mp's in general have the same gender views so it won't make much difference in that respect

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Could this be an opportunity for Labour to make gains in Scotland? I'm unsure as to how much SNP's rule has had to do with her and Salmond, or the party in general? And if it's the latter, would the gender bollocks have affected Joe Public's view of the party itself, or just the current leadership?

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i think the SNP mp's in general have the same gender views so it won't make much difference in that respect

That's not really true, there's massive division on the issue internally they just tend to like to present a united front. Plenty of infighting in the SNP.

However yes it's done untold damage to both support for the SNP, and support for independence. It's an absolutely massive political blunder... it's not just nosedived something that was trundling along - it's stopped a surge of upwards momentum in its tracks and hammered it back decades.

It COULD be an opportunity for Labour to make gains, but my fear is that it'll split the vote between SNP and Labour with the result being the Tories pipping both at the post and gaining some seats.

Really it depends on how quickly they replace her, who it's with, and what noises they make.

[arista]

All 3 News Channels
are waiting for her

She has to get up the stairs

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

That's not really true, there's massive division on the issue internally they just tend to like to present a united front. Plenty of infighting in the SNP.

However yes it's done untold damage to both support for the SNP, and support for independence. It's an absolutely massive political blunder... it's not just nosedived something that was trundling along - it's stopped a surge of upwards momentum in its tracks and hammered it back decades.

It COULD be an opportunity for Labour to make gains, but my fear is that it'll split the vote between SNP and Labour with the result being the Tories pipping both at the post and gaining some seats.

Really it depends on how quickly they replace her, who it's with, and what noises they make.

Do you think it's made a lot of people who would have been pro Independence think, "thank god Westminster intervened"?

[Liam-]

Bullied out by a vocal minority that don’t want to allow trans people dignity and respect, a horrible ending for a fantastic leader

[bitontheslide]

there was also her intention to make the next election a de facto referendum on independence and the fact that she was trying to blame economic turmoil on the conservatives by doing nothing when she had the power to do something.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Bullied out by a vocal minority that don’t want to allow trans people dignity and respect, a horrible ending for a fantastic leader

Keep telling yourself that......

Women aren't going to shut up Liam, sorry