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22-02-2024, 01:28 PM | #51 | |||
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An important speech by Andrew Percy MP in the House of Commons today..
https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/17...683078135?s=20 |
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22-02-2024, 01:47 PM | #52 | |||
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Yes I watched him Live. He got Angry at the speaker |
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22-02-2024, 01:58 PM | #53 | |||
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Connor Tomlinson hits the nail on the head..
"What the Ceasefire Vote fiasco reveals is not the partisan nature of Parliamentary processes Rather, in Hoyle fearing that he has made members 'unsafe', he admits that MPs are intimidated by a group who will resort to violence to advance Palestinian interests Everyone in Parliament knows that they have imported a foreign population who sympathise with Islamists, and who prioritise their ethnic and religious in-group, at home and abroad, above all else We have millions marching each week, in support of Hamas' actions on October 7th Some among that crowd are deluded Leftists of the Corbyn variety But a vast number were not born here; or are first-generation immigrants who do not consider themselves as British more than they do a member of an international Ummah The issues debated in Parliament are now determined by whether or not MPs are sufficiently threatened Either by the Muslim vote withdrawing support from Labour; or by surrounding and firebombing the constituency offices of MPs; or murdering them, as happened to Sir David Amess And yet, everyone, from the Speaker to Mike Freer, is unwilling to name this threat Because they know they are complicit in creating it Politics and our country doesn't have to be like this. But they have made it so This Ceasefire Vote will mean nothing to the war between Israel and Palestine What you are watching is MPs voting to appease a mob to spare their lives" |
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22-02-2024, 03:07 PM | #54 | |||
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67 MP's now want him gone.
Starmer says he advised hoyle? Last edited by arista; 22-02-2024 at 05:05 PM. |
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22-02-2024, 03:17 PM | #55 | |||
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they just can't continue with a speaker that a significant number of mp's have lost confidence in. He has to be gone at the soonest opportunity
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22-02-2024, 07:12 PM | #56 | ||
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This has nothing to do with Left or Right, this is about humanity or the lack of it. Even Trump recently said what was happening in Palestine was terrible and Netanyahu was the biggest liar he'd ever met. |
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22-02-2024, 07:58 PM | #57 | |||
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While I understand it was the SNP's Opposite Day, Lammy's version was much more reasoned and thought out than the "no more fighting plz" version that the SNP excreted. They should have thanked Labour for making it more appealing!
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Rather, in Hoyle fearing that he has made members 'unsafe', he admits that MPs are intimidated by a group who will resort to violence to advance Palestinian interests Don't want another Jo Cox or David Amess.
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22-02-2024, 09:13 PM | #58 | ||
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The SNP were going to vote FOR the Labour amendment to the SNPs motion. The SNP rejecting the Con amendment. That was until the Cons removed their amendment and then the Cons refused to take part in the voting. I don't get the SNPs moaning now I can accept they were rightly annoyed 2 amendments to their motion were permitted. However those amendments were accepted before the debate started by all Parties and all Parties took part in the debate all through. Then seconds before the votes were due to be taken, the Cons pulled their own amendment and refused to vote at all. Bizarre and ridiculous. Last edited by joeysteele; 22-02-2024 at 09:13 PM. |
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22-02-2024, 09:44 PM | #59 | |||
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i may have misunderstood what was happening, but i believe it was a day dedicated to the SNP opposition where labour basically hijacked it with their own motion, and then the speaker went with the labour motion rather than the SNP one meaning their dedicated opposition day motion was denied to them. If I got that right (from all the mess) then I can see why they were peeved |
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22-02-2024, 09:50 PM | #60 | |||
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That’s how I understand it. |
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22-02-2024, 10:12 PM | #61 | |||
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This Witch doesn't burn
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22-02-2024, 10:20 PM | #62 | |||
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yeah, for me the whole thing was just political grandstanding, and it did nothing for improving my impression of any of them
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22-02-2024, 10:40 PM | #63 | ||
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The SNP obviously didn't present an amendment to their own motion. So the SNP motion stood for debate However it would have been voted down as a motion certainly by the Conservatives. Plus Labour would have split with some supporting the SNP motion. However the vast majority not. So on its own the SNP motion would have been lost. So Labour presented an amendment obviously to assist in their own Party divisions. Then the Cons also presented an amendment later. The Speaker allowed the SNP motion and the Labour and Con amendments. Stephen Flynn said as the debate began, the SNP would be supporting the Labour amendment NOT the Con one . Nobody hijacked it, the Speaker approved BOTH amendments. The debate went ahead and ALL Parties took part. I watched it all You can seek to only blame Labour all you wish. As I'd expect Cons to do. However the Cons in my view realised the SNP wouldn't support their amendment and there were Con MPs who indicated they would not support the government's amendment. So the Con amendment would be defeated. Then the Cons pulled their amendment seconds before the vote. Then refused to vote at all on the serious issue. Then the name calling and blame game went into overdrive. Turning this serious issue into a disgraceful farce from ALL concerned. Last edited by joeysteele; 22-02-2024 at 10:46 PM. |
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22-02-2024, 10:58 PM | #64 | |||
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23-02-2024, 08:16 PM | #65 | |||
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Its now 71 MP's want him gone
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23-02-2024, 09:07 PM | #66 | ||
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23-02-2024, 09:27 PM | #67 | |||
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71 mp's that have no confidence in the person that is supposed to provide a fair hand in parliament is a lot though. The problem now is that everything he does will be scrutinised going forward, which will make his position untenable
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24-02-2024, 07:33 AM | #68 | |||
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Excellent article by Charles Moore
This week’s shambles was merely a symptom of a wider malaise: too many in the West feel the need to apologise for our values Spoiler: |
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24-02-2024, 09:20 AM | #69 | ||
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I don't think he's a good one or that he has really stamped his authority on parliament. I'd also agree 70+ is a fair number, however, when Bercow was in his last 2 to 3 years as Speaker, there was likely way over 150 at least Con MPs who detested him. The DUP too. Plus he got the backs up of the SNP too even under their better leader in my view of Ian Blackford. This is a rumbling from the new and not so pleasing Stephen Flynn of the SNP. Who is far more aggressive. So he has led his party to call for the Speaker to go. They've been joined in an unbelievable UNHOLY alliance with only 20+ Con MPs. This means then, out of around 9 different Parties representatives elected to Westminster. Only I Party is in major dispute with the Speaker. All the other Parties leaders have NOT joined the SNP in this at all. On paper that leaves Speaker Hoyle quite strong. Plus too, if things stay as they are, in an election in virtually months now, not a year The SNP are not going to be the 3rd placed Party at Westminster. The current estimate is they'll be down to just below or above 20 seats. So that then, would leave this Speaker, unfortunately for me, stronger. Plus I've read on social media, and heard from people around me Who don't like to see bullying or unnecessarily getting at people unfairly. What I'm picking up, is the view the only people bullying this Speaker, are the leader of the SNP, the SNP MPs and a minority of Con MPs . That's not a good position at all for the SNP to NOW be in seemingly in any alliance with even a minority of the Cons at Westminster. To bring down in parliament a LABOUR Speaker. To be replaced by a CON one That won't likely go down well at all with the former Labour voters in Scotland who flooded to the SNP in 2015. Last edited by joeysteele; 24-02-2024 at 09:33 AM. |
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24-02-2024, 10:02 AM | #70 | |||
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the speaker should be able to put politics aside. When a new speaker is elected, it's not just about who has a majority in parliament, it's about the consensus of the whole house on who can be fair minded.
Plenty speakers have done dodgy stuff in the past, it's impossible to please everyone. The speaker got it in the neck plenty times during the brexit voting, but his decision this time had serious implications at a time when politics has never been more polarised. We are on a knife edge, and in those circumstances, it is more important than ever that the speaker is not seen to bow to pressure and he has |
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24-02-2024, 10:28 AM | #71 | ||
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However as the dust settles it's, in my view anyhow, the SNP who are looking the worst in this debacle now. Even on QT in Theresa May's constituency of Maidenhead.. They were saying the Cons were wrong to have Penny Mordaunt pull the government amendment,then refuse to vote at all . The SNP and Cons looking in any kind of alignment on anything in Westminster is not a good or positive look for the SNP at all. Under Stephen Flynn. I don't think Ian Blackford who I like a lot, would have gone as far as Flynn has taken this. Of course Speakers and deputy Speakers have to put party politics aside and the vast majority of the time they do. It doesn't change the fact Hoyle is the Speaker from Labour ranks formerly. If he goes, it would be he's replaced by a CON Speaker. Again a bad Look for the SNP had they been or will be successful yo depose Hoyle. |
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24-02-2024, 10:51 AM | #72 | |||
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I thought the current Mr Speaker was in his ealry 80s.
SHOCKED to find out he's only 66. |
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24-02-2024, 11:16 AM | #73 | ||
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24-02-2024, 09:52 PM | #74 | |||
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24-02-2024, 09:54 PM | #75 | ||
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Actually it's an extremely worrying time for MPs of ALL Parties.
Very worrying indeed. |
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