[Mystic Mock]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/294028...-sonya-massey/

I haven't watched the bodycam video (it's just not my thing personally,) but by all accounts the Officer wants her to turn the Pot off, Sonya Massey goes over to do that, and then at some point he shoots her.

Both Officers even had a delayed reaction at trying to give her medical attention.

The article gives out more in depth detail than I have, plus there is the Bodycam footage if you really want to see it with your own two eyes.

[arista]

He must have thought
she was reaching for a gun?

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by arista

He must have thought
she was reaching for a gun?

I call bs
He sounds trigger happy & unstable more like,if you ask someone to turn off a pot of hot water...why would you then shoot them?.

[arista]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I call bs
He sounds trigger happy & unstable more like,if you ask someone to turn off a pot of hot water...why would you then shoot them?.

Could well be

[Ninastar]

Trigger happy coward who deserves to rot in jail for the rest of his life

This is the kind of cop who makes all cops look bad.

[Ammi]

…I’d heard of this but hadn’t seen any video footage previously…and Sonya Massey called the police to come into her home to feel protected…?….just awful and tragic and wrong, I hope that her family get justice for her life…

[Ammi]

…just to highlight something positive, though…the body cam video is obviously playing such a big part in this case and such a great and important thing to have to be able to see events unfold and timelines etc…

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…just to highlight something positive, though…the body cam video is obviously playing such a big part in this case and such a great and important thing to have see events unfold and timelines etc…

I do agree with you 100%, because just imagine what kind of lies this Police Officer could've spouted without Bodycam being there.

To me it's terrifying when thinking about that scenario.

[Glenn.]

Poor woman

[Niamh.]

Awful, that poor woman

[Ammi]

…and her daughter, another victim who will not have a future with her mama…there are so many victims in families, aren’t there…of this police officer…a person who pledged to serve and to protect…

[Vanessa]

Trigger happy cops. Shoot first, ask questions later. Glad he's in jail. Should never get out.

[GiRTh]

Two threads on police brutality. One gets 4 pages the other gets 11 posts. I wonder why?

For once, the officer has been fired and charged. I dont think any one can claim he had any justification to use deadly force when invited into a citizens house for a welfare check

[Oliver_W]

Was she the one who tried to throw boiling water at the cops?

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Was she the one who tried to throw boiling water at the cops?

At last. I see you're focussing on just one part of the interaction

The police had their guns drawn well before any attempt to throw it. She's a small woman how far do you think she can throw it. The cop said he was gonna shoot her in the effing face before all of this.

Why do you think he drew his gun? Do you think she was threat at the time the gun was drawn?

THe police know they ****ed up and that's why he's been dealt with so swiftly.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

The police had their guns drawn well before any attempt to throw it.

Basically suicide then.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Basically suicide then.

Huh!!!!

If you say so. Cant argue with such logic.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Two threads on police brutality. One gets 4 pages the other gets 11 posts. I wonder why?

For once, the officer has been fired and charged. I dont think any one can claim he had any justification to use deadly force when invited into a citizens house for a welfare check

Firstly the other one is in Manchester airport, and secondly the officer has been charged and fired as you said. Terrible unprovoked event

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Huh!!!!

If you say so. Cant argue with such logic.

Throwing something dangerous at someone pointing a gun? Not the actions of someone who expects or wants to live.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Throwing something dangerous at someone pointing a gun? Not the actions of someone who expects or wants to live.

YEah but he didnt have to actually kill her. Weird logic.

Anyway, the attempt to throw the pot was as she was being shot. Also, it was the officer who alerted her that the pot was boiling inj the first place.

So let me get this straight, in your world, she requested police assistance to commit suicide. A bit unreliable dont you think, Lucky for her she found a cop who was actually dumb enough to shoot her and thus face murder charges.

ARe you trolling or is this actually how you see this?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Was she the one who tried to throw boiling water at the cops?

That's what the Officers tried to claim, yes.

But apparently they lied to Sonya's Dad about how it was a "thief" that killed his Daughter initially, and had to find out the truth from an Internet article.

So the Police's version of events doesn't seem very reliable.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Basically suicide then.

1. This was a person who was petrified which was the reason for the call. It was evident it could be mental health and they had many options for deescalation. Mental health calls are very high risk, can go wrong very fast for their unpredictable nature, but it is the risk one must take when they sign up for this work. That risk may include their the loss of their lives.

2. Officers don't get to decide who lives and dies, but some officers inherit that mentality when combined with dealing with the more cynical aspects of the work and start to believe that policy will always be enough to save them. Lethal force can only be used when other options are no longer viable. The other reason, there's no trial once lethal force is successfully used. That defeats the purpose of "justice". They weren't pinned in some tight corner. They had the screen door directly behind them. They even had a good amount of room around them. The officer who shot Massey had to actively step forward AROUND THE COUNTER to get a good view, much less to get a direct shot. This will likely make it premeditated.

3. Most officers are trained to be aware of entry/exit points and to have an escape route in mind. That's very clear in the video they're very aware of that. (It's so well-ingrained, some will park in reverse or can't avoid sitting facing doors in restaurants so to as to not be an easy target) They kept their back to the doors it seems like at all points. They were on edge the moment they came in, imo, based on how they were basically standing over her while she was on the couch and ordering her around the home (for the water, her id, etc). The recording cop checking the bedroom multiple times, though not necessarily unusual, could be another clue to the recording officer's state of mind. So if they had an exit strategy, why did they have shoot a woman who posed no real threat?

4. She did not have them surrounded, but *she* was surrounded in her own kitchen. These are two men in uniform who are the most intimidating presence in her home at that moment. Consider too if they are both white, this could also be an exacerbating factor. In the end it's not about what race an officer is, or what the latest culture war chatter is, it's about the individual and how any one person might interpret their own circumstances (rightfully and wrongfully) and how little things like this must be accounted during mental health calls. It does not appear they were trained at all (or at least inadequately) for these types of calls and they did everything they couldn't possibly do wrong, imo. It is not effective to shout and behave in a domineering manner towards someone whose reason for making the call was due to concerns of safety.

Clearly they need more training, but the issue was not training. There was no need for a lethal use of force. Period. This was the result of someone taking liberties with other people's lives.

Schizophrenia is very difficult. Someone who are already in a heightened state of fear may not react normally to stressors, but it's not always evident an episode is happening The seemingly random rebuke you in the name of Jesus comment is a major tell though and fairly common with Schizophrenia. Even if they are medicated, their medication may not be enough or be the wrong kind, they may have episodes like this. My grandfather had Schizophrenia for most of his life and it's a very uncomfortable way to live when improperly treated. I was always super pissed when the doctors would unnecessarily change his meds without anyone's knowledge, because it always led to a return in symptoms. It's like their anxiety level can't go down no matter what and it's an excruciating way to live. This woman did not deserve to die this way.