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Old 29-03-2025, 06:03 AM #1
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The former Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby has told the BBC he failed to follow up abuse allegations within the Church of England because the scale of the problem was "absolutely overwhelming".

In November he became the first Archbishop in more than 1,000 years to quit, after a damning independent review found he did not follow up rigorously enough on reports of John Smyth, a serial abuser of children and young men, who was associated with the Church.

In his first interview since resigning, Welby, 68, told the BBC's Laura Kuenssberg that the sheer scale of the problem was "a reason – not an excuse" for his failure to act after taking the job in 2013.

"Every day more cases were coming across the desk that had been in the past, hadn't been dealt with adequately, and this was just, it was another case - and yes I knew Smyth but it was an absolutely overwhelming few weeks," he said.

"It was overwhelming, one was trying to prioritise - but I think it's easy to sound defensive over this.

"The reality is I got it wrong. As Archbishop, there are no excuses."

One of Smyth's victims, known as Graham, who reported the abuse allegation in 2013, told the BBC: "The Archbishop suggests he was just too busy. No one should be too busy to deal with a safeguarding disclosure. The Archbishop has never answered why there were not enormous red flags when told about horrific abuse."

The Makin Review - an independent report led by safeguarding expert Keith Makin - found Smyth's "horrific" and violent abuse of more than 100 children and young men in England and Africa was covered up within the Church of England for decades.

Smyth, a barrister and senior member of a Christian charity, was accused of attacking dozens of boys at his home in Winchester, Hampshire and at Christian camps in the 1970s and 1980s.

He said at the time that he stepped down "in sorrow with all victims and survivors of abuse".

In his interview with the BBC, Welby expressed concern about the pressure on public figures, saying there can be a "rush to judgement".

"Having been the object of that question [over whether to resign], it's a very difficult one to answer because you think: am I letting people down? Is it the right thing to do? It's a complicated question.

"I think there is a rush to judgement, there is this immense - and this goes back half a century - immense distrust for institutions and there's a point where you need institutions to hold society together.

"There's an absence, I'm not talking about safeguarding here, there is an absence of forgiveness; we don't treat our leaders as human.

"We expect them to be perfect. If you want perfect leaders you won't have any leaders."

The Church of England declined to comment before the full interview is broadcast on Sunday.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c89y9g83e92o

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That is some poor me diatribe
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I fail to understand how a man of God could stand by and do nothing about child abuse, while admonishing the country over so many other issues. He is a disgrace.
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Makes you wonder how many other abuses still haven't been revealed

There's normally more effort used on covering up these crimes than investigating them so I don't buy his excuse
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The former Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby has told the BBC he failed to follow up abuse allegations within the Church of England because the scale of the problem was "absolutely overwhelming".

In November he became the first Archbishop in more than 1,000 years to quit, after a damning independent review found he did not follow up rigorously enough on reports of John Smyth, a serial abuser of children and young men, who was associated with the Church.

In his first interview since resigning, Welby, 68, told the BBC's Laura Kuenssberg that the sheer scale of the problem was "a reason – not an excuse" for his failure to act after taking the job in 2013.

"Every day more cases were coming across the desk that had been in the past, hadn't been dealt with adequately, and this was just, it was another case - and yes I knew Smyth but it was an absolutely overwhelming few weeks," he said.

"It was overwhelming, one was trying to prioritise - but I think it's easy to sound defensive over this.

"The reality is I got it wrong. As Archbishop, there are no excuses."

One of Smyth's victims, known as Graham, who reported the abuse allegation in 2013, told the BBC: "The Archbishop suggests he was just too busy. No one should be too busy to deal with a safeguarding disclosure. The Archbishop has never answered why there were not enormous red flags when told about horrific abuse."

The Makin Review - an independent report led by safeguarding expert Keith Makin - found Smyth's "horrific" and violent abuse of more than 100 children and young men in England and Africa was covered up within the Church of England for decades.

Smyth, a barrister and senior member of a Christian charity, was accused of attacking dozens of boys at his home in Winchester, Hampshire and at Christian camps in the 1970s and 1980s.

He said at the time that he stepped down "in sorrow with all victims and survivors of abuse".

In his interview with the BBC, Welby expressed concern about the pressure on public figures, saying there can be a "rush to judgement".

"Having been the object of that question [over whether to resign], it's a very difficult one to answer because you think: am I letting people down? Is it the right thing to do? It's a complicated question.

"I think there is a rush to judgement, there is this immense - and this goes back half a century - immense distrust for institutions and there's a point where you need institutions to hold society together.

"There's an absence, I'm not talking about safeguarding here, there is an absence of forgiveness; we don't treat our leaders as human.

"We expect them to be perfect. If you want perfect leaders you won't have any leaders."

The Church of England declined to comment before the full interview is broadcast on Sunday.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c89y9g83e92o

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This point isn't actually wrong under most situations like this.

But not trying to deal with child molesters is something that he should be held accountable for, because he may as well be an accomplice at that point imo.
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It's an excuse because he has the ability to put more people up who can add their eyes to it. In fact, it would be skeevy if he were acting as a sort of lone wolf. No way he would be totally objective and not be scared of his own britches. He of all people had the ability to attach more appropriate resources.

In the US some States have "mandatory reporter" laws so he would've had to send it to police under those laws. If a professional/institution has reasonable information about possible child abuse, they're meant to report it immediately to authorities. If they don't, they can lose their job.. or worse. Clergy are often required. Texas includes them:

https://texas.public.law/statutes/te...ection_261.101

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The requirement to report under this section applies without exception to an individual whose personal communications may otherwise be privileged, including an attorney, a member of the clergy, a medical practitioner, a social worker, a mental health professional, an employee or member of a board that licenses or certifies a professional, and an employee of a clinic or health care facility that provides reproductive services.

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