[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

i just saw this in another thread but it got locked so i’m continuing the discussion here teehee

what are your thoughts?

in MY opinion she’s scum

[Marches]

Stop trying to use housemate conversion therapy on Ann fans

[JerseyWins]

Originally Posted by Marches

Stop trying to use housemate conversion therapy on Ann fans

[GiRTh]

Horrendous it doesn't work and I dont understand how anyone can think it does. Plus the psychological scars.

[Marches]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Horrendous it doesn't work and I dont understand how anyone can think it does. Plus the psychological scars.

Btw strawman nobody agrees with conversion therapy on this forum

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Marches

Btw strawman nobody agrees with conversion therapy on this forum

Whos Strawman?
If you dont agree say so no need for these extra comments

[Vicky.]

I found it really odd how this managed to stay on the hush until a few days before the final, when there have been a few people constantly going on about her voting record. Good timing for it to surface now. Anyway

https://www.express.co.uk/comment/co...glad-to-be-gay

Is what she actually said on it all.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I found it really odd how this managed to stay on the hush until a few days before the final, when there have been a few people constantly going on about her voting record. Good timing for it to surface now. Anyway

https://www.express.co.uk/comment/co...glad-to-be-gay

Is what she actually said on it all.

Thanks for posting that link Vicky. Again Ann states things clearly. If someone is reaching out to doctors for help, we should treat them. She is saying that we shouldn't turn away someone in mental turmoil. Not the same thing as some wish to imply at all.

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Thanks for posting that link Vicky. Again Ann states things clearly. If someone is reaching out to doctors for help, we should treat them. She is saying that we shouldn't turn away someone in mental turmoil. Not the same thing as some wish to imply at all.

And yet... When India made the point that people who were trans and couldn't get the medical procedure that helps them become physically what they know they are internally... and often times it cause mental turmoil leading to suicide... Ann argued that others medical procedures are more prevalent. Hmmm.. seems to me a bit of an oxymoron.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Mokka

And yet... When India made the point that people who were trans and couldn't get the medical procedure that helps them become physically what they know they are internally... and often times it cause mental turmoil leading to suicide... Ann argued that others medical procedures are more prevalent. Hmmm.. seems to me a bit of an oxymoron.

That's a good point I never even thought about that, she doesn't want people to have to pay to treat those with a genuine disorder... but line the gays up for conversion therapy! Because being transsexual might not be as serious as having cancer but being gay sure is? (and I'd assume it could actually end up being a greater burden on the NHS in terms of money and time/resources if it was available and commonly seen as something that could be helpful which is how she's tried to position it so at best she's a hypocrite.)
She also said in the article that it could help gay men who want to father children and get married yet she apposes adoption and marriage for gay people (and ignores the fact gay people can have children naturally anyway... as well as ignoring lesbians by putting the focus on fathering, which is very interesting). Her pretext of wanting to 'help' these people is ridiculous, the whole article is twisted actually.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

That's a good point I never even thought about that, she doesn't want people to have to pay to treat those with a genuine disorder... but line the gays up for conversion therapy! Because being transsexual might not be as serious as having cancer but being gay sure is? (and I'd assume it could actually end up being a greater burden on the NHS in terms of money and time/resources if it was available and commonly seen as something that could be helpful which is how she's tried to position it so at best she's a hypocrite.)
She also said in the article that it could help gay men who want to father children and get married yet she apposes adoption and marriage for gay people (and ignores the fact gay people can have children naturally anyway... as well as ignoring lesbians by putting the focus on fathering, which is very interesting). Her pretext of wanting to 'help' these people is ridiculous, the whole article is twisted actually.

in 2012 the NHS wasn't in the crisis it is now, and also I presume the number of transgender operations rises year on year, it would be good to see the figures

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I found it really odd how this managed to stay on the hush until a few days before the final, when there have been a few people constantly going on about her voting record. Good timing for it to surface now. Anyway

https://www.express.co.uk/comment/co...glad-to-be-gay

Is what she actually said on it all.

You can't 'help' someone who is unhappy with being gay by conning them into believing that they can change what gender they love. I think the infertility argument as well as the Transgender arguments are stupid as well. Infertility can be treated, it's a medical condition as is Gender Dysmorphia.

I bet there's few LGBT people in this world who haven't at some point wished they were straight because life is easier when you don't have to worry about the ramifications of being open about your sexuality with the wrong person, it's easier not to deal with the bull**** that anyone who isn't hetero has to face but that doesn't mean that we should support the psychological trauma and self hatred that comes with conversion therapy, I don't care how soft and fluffy Ann makes it seem in her article. The reality of conversion therapy is completely ****ed up as is anyone who believes it's acceptable. Sexuality can not be changed, conversion therapy only exposes fragile people to more psychological trauma as it teaches them to that who they are is wrong, these people need to be taught acceptance for who they love, that's the only way to be happy.

To damage someone so much that they falsely believe they are straight is a ticking timebomb waiting to happen.

[GoldHeart]

If you want to open a can of worms and get really deep into it , why don't we talk about how EFFED up it is that SHOCK therapy existed for anyone and everyone that experienced depression, mental health and stress .

The people in "white coats" thought this was the answer to anyone who didn't conform with the norm of the backwards society back then.

And just remember it doesn't just take 1 person to make these decisions for so called therapy .

[Vicky.]

OK I will also be deleting the snipey comments that ended up getting the other thread closed in the end. Don't want to end up having to bloody close another here. Its possible to talk about this without being all sarky and baiting

[Vanessa]

I had no idea about this. Glad I don't support Ann anymore now.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I had no idea about this. Glad I don't support Ann anymore now.

But your happy to believe what is said on here instead of researching it,that figures.

[Kazanne]

Can people read ? instead of just being happy to believe people who dont like her, this story is not so black and white, she wanted to help gays who didn't WANT to be gay,so maybe go and read up ,people at one time thought it would cure them the gay person WANTED the therepy. loving these new words converstion therapy oh how people are grasping at it,

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Can people read ? instead of just being happy to believe people who dont like her, this story is not so black and white, she wanted to help gays who didn't WANT to be gay,so maybe go and read up ,people at one time thought it would cure them the gay person WANTED the therepy. loving these new words converstion therapy oh how people are grasping at it,

There isn't much point posting this as it will just be ignored

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Cherie

There isn't much point posting this as it will just be ignored

I know I thought that ,but really it's like just because they hate her they flow along with anything said,such close mindedness I have never seen before.

[susie q]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I know I thought that ,but really it's like just because they hate her they flow along with anything said,such close mindedness I have never seen before.

Well Im glad I read the article, because it really isnt as black & white as some would have us believe. I am also curious to know why no one has passed an opinion on the part of the article where she condemns the men who wanted to execute openly gay muslim men, who apparrentely didnt expect to be punished for printing articles endorsing that view. I liked her view on that, and would agree with punishment being given to anyone endorsing violence against gay people irrespective of their religion. I guess there is danger that some of us might be' converted' to the view that Ann isnt totally evil after all. Closed minds really are quite a dangerous thing.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by susie q

Well Im glad I read the article, because it really isnt as black & white as some would have us believe. I am also curious to know why no one has passed an opinion on the part of the article where she condemns the men who wanted to execute openly gay muslim men, who apparrentely didnt expect to be punished for printing articles endorsing that view. I liked her view on that, and would agree with punishment being given to anyone endorsing violence against gay people irrespective of their religion. I guess there is danger that some of us might be' converted' to the view that Ann isnt totally evil after all. Closed minds really are quite a dangerous thing.

Oh how the truth will be overlooked

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Can people read ? instead of just being happy to believe people who dont like her, this story is not so black and white, she wanted to help gays who didn't WANT to be gay,so maybe go and read up ,people at one time thought it would cure them the gay person WANTED the therepy. loving these new words converstion therapy oh how people are grasping at it,

It has literally been a thing since the 1920’s, it’s all well and good telling others to read up about it, maybe you should too....



Like Reece said, her views are outdated, it’s a generational so no doubt a couple of decades from now people will look back at it in horror in a similar way to slavery (and I’m not comparing those two btw, I’m just saying people will look back in a “wow can you believe that actually used to happen” kind of way)

[letmein]

Originally Posted by Smithy

It has literally been a thing since the 1920’s, it’s all well and good telling others to read up about it, maybe you should too....



Like Reece said, her views are outdated, it’s a generational so no doubt a couple of decades from now people will look back at it in horror in a similar way to slavery (and I’m not comparing those two btw, I’m just saying people will look back in a “wow can you believe that actually used to happen” kind of way)

Oh, stop with that nonsense already.

[MB.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Can people read ? instead of just being happy to believe people who dont like her, this story is not so black and white, she wanted to help gays who didn't WANT to be gay,so maybe go and read up ,people at one time thought it would cure them the gay person WANTED the therepy. loving these new words converstion therapy oh how people are grasping at it,

Nobody thought this in 2012, which is when Ann spoke out in defence of it

[luvjustin]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Can people read ? instead of just being happy to believe people who dont like her, this story is not so black and white, she wanted to help gays who didn't WANT to be gay,so maybe go and read up ,people at one time thought it would cure them the gay person WANTED the therepy. loving these new words converstion therapy oh how people are grasping at it,

You mean she wanted to take advantage of the mentally ill.