[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Blurryface

But a 2 year old doesn’t know the difference between wrong and right. A 12 year old does. As does a 19 year old.

But as 12 year old is still an immature child. A 19 year old is a grown adult capable of making their own decisions AND knowing the consequences of those decisions.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Kids have sex and kill, I think his sentence represents the factors in this case.

Yeah, lots of 12 year olds and younger teenagers will have sex. Usually with people their own ages.

That doesn't excuse an adult MORE THAN TWICE HER AGE engaging in sex with her.

[Marsh.]

Also, I find the "12 year olds can look so much older with makeup" kind of confusing.

If she'd sent him a snapchat, I could just about buy him believing she was 19, with makeup, filters, pouting etc.

But meeting her in person, her demeanour/behaviour would likely not be that of an adult but a child.

And if that wasn't enough, surely the naked body he was busy photographing for his friends would've been a huge sign too? The body of a child vs the body of a woman.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Well in this case the guy did, but what happens when two 14 year olds start having sex?, teenagers under the age of consent are having sex.

What comparison is that to an ADULT HAVING SEX WITH A CHILD?

Are people just playing devil's advocate for the sake of it or is it really that hard to understand?

This man was MORE THAN TWICE her age. Two 14 year olds shagging is not a comparison.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

See niamh you can only ever go down the same old path If I’m ridiculous then you are too.

Two sides to every story but you only see one the woman’s.

I’m sick of your over bearing opinions when it comes to discussion involving stories that involve sex.

I’m far from sexist, I just don’t jump on the band wagon.

No, she's seeing it from the perspective of the victim (A CHILD) and the criminal (THE ADULT HAVING SEX WITH A CHILD). Nothing to do with the genders.

It's really not rocket science.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Giving it some thought; I suspect this guy just didn't understand the law and while he may have suspected she was younger than she was saying, he thought "it didn't matter" because he had proof that she claimed to be 19 (messages) and probably believed that this absolved him of any criminal responsibility if she did turn out to be under 16.

And that's precisely why it's still a crime even if the underage person has claimed to be of-age, otherwise it would open up a huge loophole in the law, as anyone could claim "but they SAID..." as a defence.

If you don't know how old someone is and they look young, even if you believe they're 18+, your default should be to assume that they are NOT old enough until you know otherwise for a fact. This applies in my job and for bar staff / bouncers so it should definitely apply when you're about to have sex with someone!

What do you think happens if someone walks into a bar and says "hello mate, can I have a pint? I'm 19." and the barman happily serves him? Do the authorities say "Well, that 12 year old looks older than he is and he SAID he was 19 so the poor barman was duped!"? No... Barman at the very least faces disciplinary action, and at worst could face prison time. Nothing happens to the 12 year old.

It has to be that way for a reason and that's sort of the point of being an adult; you have to stop being reckless in your actions, or you face the consequences.

Yes exactly.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it's not a moral grey area at all. Adults are required to be responsible for their own actions.

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[LeatherTrumpet]

every peado says "i thought she was 18"

however it sounds like this girl has had a poor upbringing and was vulnerable, which makes it even worse

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

every peado says "i thought she was 18"

however it sounds like this girl has had a poor upbringing and was vulnerable, which makes it even worse

Exactly, her mum sounds neglectful, and I'd wonder about what sort of men she was letting into her house - sexualised behaviour in kids doesn't come from nowhere.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Exactly, her mum sounds neglectful, and I'd wonder about what sort of men she was letting into her house - sexualised behaviour in kids doesn't come from nowhere.

Everyone is to blame but the 27 year old male

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Everyone is to blame but the 27 year old male

Psst - did you know more than one person can be responsible for things that happen? /bigshock

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Psst - did you know more than one person can be responsible for things that happen? /bigshock

The only one responsible for having sex with a child is the 27 year old man, yes she might have had a terrible life etc etc but we don't know that, for all we know she might have some kind of special needs, the facts we have in front of us is that she was 12 claiming to be 19 and he was 27 with the mentality of a 14 year old schoolboy

[JerseyWins]

He sent one image to his friend and a message stating: 'mine was decent, nailed that bird, unreal bod'. He also said she was 'filth'.

Originally Posted by reece(:

eww

aaghslhsdljshdlj FFS that's cringey

[thesheriff443]

Has no one ever heard of child geniuses or child murderes, you are all basing your opinions that this is a flat chested 12 year old who wants to join an adult dating site meet a stranger then want to play with Barbie dolls the next minute.

Sex with a child and there is no excuse but if you was out on the p1ss in a club and got with someone you don’t do background checks and that’s the same for a young adult male or female.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Has no one ever heard of child geniuses or child murderes, you are all basing your opinions that this is a flat chested 12 year old who wants to join an adult dating site meet a stranger then want to play with Barbie dolls the next minute.

Sex with a child and there is no excuse but if you was out on the p1ss in a club and got with someone you don’t do background checks and that’s the same for a young adult male or female.

No, you are basing this on an extreme stereotype that for her to be seen as a child she needs to be flat chested or playing with Barbie dolls. The kind of excuses the adult will be using to explain himself.

It's also not someone he's met pissed in a club.

[Gstar]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I’m of the belief that anyone underage that lies about their age to sleep with someone should face consequences, it can ruin people’s lives, especially if they have fake id’s to get into clubs and stuff, cause if you meet someone in a club and they’re drinking you’re bound to assume that they’re above 18.

However, in this case, I refuse to believe that you wouldn’t know that someone was 12 years old

Basically this

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The only one responsible for having sex with a child is the 27 year old man, yes she might have had a terrible life etc etc but we don't know that, for all we know she might have some kind of special needs, the facts we have in front of us is that she was 12 claiming to be 19 and he was 27 with the mentality of a 14 year old schoolboy

He's the one responsible for doing that, yes.

But don't you think it's worth thinking about what happened in her life to put her in that situation, or is anything that happened before rendered invalid?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I’m of the belief that anyone underage that lies about their age to sleep with someone should face consequences, it can ruin people’s lives, especially if they have fake id’s to get into clubs and stuff, cause if you meet someone in a club and they’re drinking you’re bound to assume that they’re above 18.

However, in this case, I refuse to believe that you wouldn’t know that someone was 12 years old

But, also, you shouldn't be absolved of any responsibility for "assuming" something.

It's a fact of life that underage teenagers will drink and even manage to get into bars. It doesn't make the establishments/licence holders any less culpable.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

He's the one responsible for doing that, yes.

But don't you think it's worth thinking about what happened in her life to put her in that situation, or is anything that happened before rendered invalid?

Nobody said it's invalid. But when it comes to criminal conviction, no matter the circumstances of her life, he is in the wrong and should be treated as such.

If a bad upbringing has led the girl to putting herself in these dangerous situations then we would hope she will get help for that of course.

But it shouldn't be used as a means to say he is not responsible for his own irresponsible actions.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Nobody said it's invalid. But when it comes to criminal conviction, no matter the circumstances of her life, he is in the wrong and should be treated as such.

If a bad upbringing has led the girl to putting herself in these dangerous situations then we would hope she will get help for that of course.

But it shouldn't be used as a means to say he is not responsible for his own irresponsible actions.

I wasn't saying it should absolve him from responsibility, or be used as extenuating circumstances.

But his mother should be investigated as well; anyone who knows about safeguarding will tell you that sexualised behaviour is indicative of abuse, so if the services aren't speaking to her mother already, they should.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I wasn't saying it should absolve him from responsibility, or be used as extenuating circumstances.



But his mother should be investigated as well; anyone who knows about safeguarding will tell you that sexualised behaviour is indicative of abuse, so if the services aren't speaking to her mother already, they should.

Yes that's something we can agree on and why punishing the child is a ridiculous notion

[MTVN]

Not saying it changes anything but everyone is talking about him having sex with this girl but he did not - he performed a sex act on her. She also wasn't naked when he photographed her

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Nobody said it's invalid. But when it comes to criminal conviction, no matter the circumstances of her life, he is in the wrong and should be treated as such.

If a bad upbringing has led the girl to putting herself in these dangerous situations then we would hope she will get help for that of course.

But it shouldn't be used as a means to say he is not responsible for his own irresponsible actions.

[Rob!]

There is NO way a 12 year old could look anything close to an 18 year old.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Not saying it changes anything but everyone is talking about him having sex with this girl but he did not - he performed a sex act on her. She also wasn't naked when he photographed her

You know facts mean nothing on tibb, they just get in the way.