[jet]

Originally Posted by Cherie

it was before the wedding but there was no rift with William or Charles at that point, seems odd don't you think?

Yep, Harry said it happened before the wedding. Good point.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Cherie

'recollections vary' suggests the person does not recall the words being used in a racist context



I think it is William, given this happened before the Wedding, and the body language of the two brothers on the day there was no issue or if there was an issue, Harry will be box office in Hollywood next, because if it was Charles, would Megs have let him walk her down the aisle

Camilla it is then ..


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Cherie

it was before the wedding but there was no rift with William or Charles at that point, seems odd don't you think?

I don’t think it was either of them who made the offending remarks


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[jet]

'Recollections may vary' also suggests the way it was taken by Harry wasn't how it was meant by the person who allegedly said it.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Thank you, a dignified and thoughtful response as usual

Liz isn't Jeremy Kyle fodder

Yes ,dignified is the word,

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by jet

'Recollections may vary' also suggests the way it was taken by Harry wasn't how it was meant by the person who allegedly said it.

I see it as the person has admitted saying it and NOW regrets saying it ...

I believe that’s It’s simple damage limitation - as I suggested earlier .


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[jet]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/h...dges-xkljbb5hh

Harry and Meghan must pay the price of their burnt bridges

The Sussexes cannot enjoy the perks of royalty while trashing the institution — it is time to remove their titles…...It does not do to get too grand in this country, even if you are a duke or duchess. Yet whether they are demanding privacy while courting publicity, or enjoying the rewards of royal titles while shunning the responsibilities, or blathering about public service while ditching the boring old walkabouts in Rotherham, the behaviour of Harry and Meghan smacks of self-importance.

No matter the privilege of their lives, the couple seem determined not only to feel sorry for themselves but to air their grievances regularly. Yes, I know that heartache and misery transcend fame and fortune. All the wealth in the world is no insulation against suffering. But still, if you live a life that is unimaginably privileged to most, it is polite and emotionally intelligent to be circumspect about your own problems. To hear the duchess complain to Oprah that “there’s a lot that’s been lost” is tin-eared during a pandemic, when millions have lost livelihoods, lives and loved ones.

Such solipsism feels very much of our time; an age when narcissism is acceptable and viewing oneself as a victim is in vogue. Indeed, the split of public opinion on the Sussexes reveals a cultural schism in our country. In one camp are those who find it alien to endlessly share details of themselves, whose motto is “mustn’t grumble”. In the other camp are those who share their innermost thoughts daily on Twitter, whose mantra is “let me tell you my truth”.

For one side the word “duty” is laden with meaning; to the other it sounds archaic and suffocating. Accordingly, one part of the country thinks it appalling that they ditched royal life when it ceased to suit them; others think it marvellous that they broke free of the gilded cage to sink their toes in the Malibu sand.

We all might have felt more sympathy with the Sussexes if their decision to break from royal constraints had been followed by a period of genuine privacy, humility and respect for the institution they had left.

But to enjoy the perks of association with the monarchy while trashing it — and the nation — is galling.
In a game of chess, a queen sacrifice is made in order to gain a more favourable tactical position. The Oprah interview seems like the Sussexes’ own queen sacrifice: a strategic decision to burn bridges with the British in order to build them with the Americans. Well, it’s the Queen’s move now, and there’s only one thing for it. Your Majesty: remove their titles.

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Unfortunately I don't think she will persue that route. She isn't a vengeful and petty woman, unlike the admired by many 'in vogue' Meghan and Harry.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Camilla it is then ..


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Could have been harry himself, or andrew..

Harry could be protecting himself or paedophile.

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i doubt that

can anyone on tibb remember a conversation casually had 4 years ago with any intent, accuracy or context

id imagine people would find one from last week difficult

Unfortunately Wouldn’t be surprised if some in the U.K can’t remember their casual racist comments. It comes normal to many these days.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I see it as the person has admitted saying it and NOW regrets saying it ...

I believe that’s It’s simple damage limitation - as I suggested earlier .


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No way, it means there is a different interpretation on the other side

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Cherie

No way, it means there is a different interpretation on the other side

As you’d expect , surely

Once something has been said it can’t be ‘unsaid’ .

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[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Zizu

As you’d expect , surely

Once something has been said it can’t be ‘unsaid’ .

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Maybe what was said was misquoted....Chinese whispers

[Denver]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i doubt that

can anyone on tibb remember a conversation casually had 4 years ago with any intent, accuracy or context

id imagine people would find one from last week difficult

It depends on context and content of said conversation.

If something offended you or hurt you then you won't forget it

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Denver

It depends on context and content of said conversation.

If something offended you or hurt you then you won't forget it

I don't know how anyone could forget something that's hurtful and personal .

I know some people try to block things out ,but it's still there .

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Zizu

As you’d expect , surely

Once something has been said it can’t be ‘unsaid’ .

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Exactly, as if whoever who has said it is going to want to say, oh yes I said it and I meant it in a racist way.

Of course they'll want to put a different slant on it.

[GoldHeart]

Whoever made the racist remark about Archie will never own up to it , even if Meghan and Harry named names it still wouldn't make much difference.

The palace would just put out a general statement denying it saying they " do not tolerate racism & prejudice " and how nobody has ever meant to "cause offense" . The said person would stay quiet , they wouldn't do an interview because they'd be told NOT to .

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Whoever made the racist remark about Archie will never own up to it , even if Meghan and Harry named names it still wouldn't make much difference.

The palace would just put out a general statement denying it saying they " do not tolerate racism & prejudice " and how nobody has ever meant to "cause offense" . The said person would stay quiet , they wouldn't do an interview because they'd be told NOT to .

The comment was made before the wedding, it wasn’t about Archie per se

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The comment was made before the wedding, it wasn’t about Archie per se

How is that relevant ??

It’s not about Archie is it ??

It’s about the sentiment , surely


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[joeysteele]

It was about whatever child Meghan would have, no one else..
Archie is her first child so it was about him, no matter how others look for any tiniest thing to dismiss it.

Who else would they be asking about as to what colour skin a baby would have within the Royal family.
Are people really that desperate to bring this one woman down.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Denver

It depends on context and content of said conversation.

If something offended you or hurt you then you won't forget it

and you may have misheard, not understood, not got the context etc etc

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The comment was made before the wedding, it wasn’t about Archie per se

Meghan and Harry specifically said IT WAS about Archie, I don't know how you can dismiss that Cherie

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I see it as the person has admitted saying it and NOW regrets saying it ...

I believe that’s It’s simple damage limitation - as I suggested earlier .


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...or maybe it has come to light how this may have been taken out of context..then it becomes a “he said she said” scenario. It’s a private matter and they need to address it as a family and not the whole world.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Meghan and Harry specifically said IT WAS about Archie, I don't know how you can dismiss that Cherie

It could have been said before the wedding regarding future children. Didn’t Harry say it was one conversation before their wedding. It was Meghan who said it was several conversations whilst she was pregnant... Harry was involved in the convo so surely his version is the correct one.
That’s what I understand anyway.

[jet]

"The issues raised, particularly that of race,
are concerning. Whilst some recollections
may vary, they are taken very seriously and
will be addressed by the family privately.

Listening to the Sky news broadcaster, this part of the statement is
"very telling, and within the Palace they don't entirely agree with everything Harry and Meghan decided to tell Oprah". So not just referring to the race comment alone.

[joeysteele]

I agree it is a family issue, however the concerns now out there and they should be of concern as Her Majesty the Queen says.

Is a private Palace internal dealing with this, really going to address the possible race issue and worrying cruel mental health issues.
I'd say no it won't myself, although I'd like to hope things can be worked out far better than they've been thus far.

No one is ever going to own up to being racist or that this comment, grossly inappropriate, was meant that way either.

I'd like to think, the whole Royal set up which the Queen didn't address in her short response would be reformed..
It's just been said on the news that the Queen's response, indicates this will be handled the way she has handled things over her reign.

Well that doesn't Inspire me with confidence of anything better then.
Since she's done nothing to address these issues for 6 nearly 7 decades.

Her sense of duty and work rate can never be questioned.
The Queen herself is an amazing lady.

However, in my view, she's failed to really keep the Monarchy fully relevant.

Even on here on another thread, yes a low number of votes, however looking at the names of those who'd vote to abolish the Monarchy now, are as to many there, moderate and reasoned individuals.

If the Monarchy has lost or cannot gain people of that calibre, then the Monarchy should really worry.