[HBIC]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Are you familiar with the concept of democracy? People with opposing opinions vote and the majority wins the vote. What they were voting for then becomes law and EVERYONE abides by it. That doesn't mean everyone has to agree with it. Brexit was a very clear example.

Democracy encompasses all opinion ... Ann was part of that process, and a very valuable part too.

Um, no...a democracy is not exclusively majority rule like you describe

What you are describing is known as the "tyranny of the majority." Not a proper democracy.

Potentially, through tyranny of the majority, a disliked or unfavored ethnic, religious, political, social, or racial group may be deliberately targeted for oppression by the majority element acting through the democratic process

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority

This is why everyone should take a political science class. So many people here don't even know what an actual democracy entails.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

Oh please, if it was a programme about Gay rights, LGBT or other serious issues you would be right.


CBB is a television reality show, the theme is the Year of the Woman, not Gay Rights, LGBT agendas and one Drag act.

1/ this year's CBB is different, it has a theme and it is a serious theme
2/ the reason why there is not much discussion about women rights is because Ms Widdecombe shuts down any such discussions and others let her (her dominant and rigid personality rules the roost in the house)
3/ all women who went into the house with Ann were spouting in their VTs about feminism, equality etc. Sadly those who would have challenged her like Rachel or Maggie were eliminated, others, like the young ones decided not to upset Ann.
4/only Shane J dared to try and question Ann with predictable results. And since his life's work is lgbtq rights, that's the topic he raised. (I can just imagine the rage of some if he dared to speak for women)
5/his support outside is loud and proud because we, lgbtq, support our people trying to fight our corner.
There, the mystery solved.

If a drag queen wins the year of the woman then it will be not just thanks to Shane J, but also thanks to Ann.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Me and Ann are content thank you.

Happy bedfellows, no less

[Bones]

Originally Posted by Sullen Girl

in MY opinion she’s scum

Not really But Malika is. Glad she is out

[Bones]

Originally Posted by Sullen Girl

probably

she looks the type

Nah, but Malika looks just like that type.

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Bones

Not really But Malika is. Glad she is out

I like how a lot of the defence I have seen for Ann is "she is allowed her own opinion!!" Yet when people (e.g. scott) has an opinion on her that is negative, they're denied that opinion... hm

[Bones]

Originally Posted by Lilbro

I like how a lot of the defence I have seen for Ann is "she is allowed her own opinion!!" Yet when people (e.g. scott) has an opinion on her that is negative, they're denied that opinion... hm

Any examples?

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Bones

Any examples?

Scott just said "in my opinion she's scum" and in turn you said "not really"

Hm

[susie q]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I know I thought that ,but really it's like just because they hate her they flow along with anything said,such close mindedness I have never seen before.

Well Im glad I read the article, because it really isnt as black & white as some would have us believe. I am also curious to know why no one has passed an opinion on the part of the article where she condemns the men who wanted to execute openly gay muslim men, who apparrentely didnt expect to be punished for printing articles endorsing that view. I liked her view on that, and would agree with punishment being given to anyone endorsing violence against gay people irrespective of their religion. I guess there is danger that some of us might be' converted' to the view that Ann isnt totally evil after all. Closed minds really are quite a dangerous thing.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

1/ this year's CBB is different, it has a theme and it is a serious theme
2/ the reason why there is not much discussion about women rights is because Ms Widdecombe shuts down any such discussions and others let her (her dominant and rigid personality rules the roost in the house)
3/ all women who went into the house with Ann were spouting in their VTs about feminism, equality etc. Sadly those who would have challenged her like Rachel or Maggie were eliminated, others, like the young ones decided not to upset Ann.
4/only Shane J dared to try and question Ann with predictable results. And since his life's work is lgbtq rights, that's the topic he raised. (I can just imagine the rage of some if he dared to speak for women)
5/his support outside is loud and proud because we, lgbtq, support our people trying to fight our corner.
There, the mystery solved.

If a drag queen wins the year of the woman then it will be not just thanks to Shane J, but also thanks to Ann.

I disagree, Ann is happy to discuss anything, Shane has said so. Ann would never shut down any discussion of women's rights. She does state that men and women are not the same in degrees of strength but they are in other ways which she fully endorses.

Why would anyone challenge Ann on a subject she agreed with them. Their way might not be her way but the underlying aims were exactly the same.

Shane has rabble roused and tried to cause Ann the most distress which he has failed totally at because all his housemates turned on him and nominated him.

Why does the LGBT brigade want to win by default instead of winning by honest and decent means. Why did Shane go in with info to harm Ann rather than being a housemate and winning on merit. In fact his actions are giving Ann a backing she might not have had if he had chosen to do such. Why you need to view this in such a competitive manner rattling the Gay banner when every other housemate is there only to be themselves. It is hardly a level playing field.

If a drag queen wins, which he should with the backing he has and the tactics deployed, then it is sad for all the women who work every day, bring up a family and enjoy actually being a woman 24/7, not when she wants to win a reality show.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by susie q

Well Im glad I read the article, because it really isnt as black & white as some would have us believe. I am also curious to know why no one has passed an opinion on the part of the article where she condemns the men who wanted to execute openly gay muslim men, who apparrentely didnt expect to be punished for printing articles endorsing that view. I liked her view on that, and would agree with punishment being given to anyone endorsing violence against gay people irrespective of their religion. I guess there is danger that some of us might be' converted' to the view that Ann isnt totally evil after all. Closed minds really are quite a dangerous thing.

Oh how the truth will be overlooked

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Yep,she also voted against fox hunting,another one that will be over looked

What does her views on fox hunting have to do with anything?

"Ann Widdecombe votes against gay rights at every opportunity BUT her favourite flavour of crisps are cheese and onion so she can't be all bad".

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

What does her views on fox hunting have to do with anything?

"Ann Widdecombe votes against gay rights at every opportunity BUT her favourite flavour of crisps are cheese and onion so she can't be all bad".

It wasn't just the fox hunting ban , there's other stuff as well that gets ignored .

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

It wasn't just the fox hunting ban , there's other stuff as well that gets ignored .

Again.... what does that have to do with the price of fish?

Seriously, what does her views on fox hunting have to do with the topic of discussion?

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

then equally those that do support it are entitled to say that those that disagree with it are SCUM .... do you not see where that ends up?

So you're saying you agree with conversion therapy? A mess if true.

Originally Posted by Cherie

Post of the decade

If a post basically saying "we'll turn on the gays if they keep calling out homophobia lol" is considered a great post I'd like to see the bad ones

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Again.... what does that have to do with the price of fish?

Seriously, what does her views on fox hunting have to do with the topic of discussion?

No Marsh I said it's not just about the fox hunting ban , did you read the post about Muslims above ?.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

No Marsh I said it's not just about the fox hunting ban , did you read the post about Muslims above ?.

I read it. You haven't answered my question.

"Ann doesn't want gay people dead so that makes maintaining inequality a good thing"? Huh?

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I read it. You haven't answered my question.

"Ann doesn't want gay people dead so that makes maintaining inequality a good thing"? Huh?

So you have read it , I guess no matter what we'll always disagree and go round in circles . Ann clearly gets on with Shane J when he's not being a sour bitch and she was best friends with Amanda ,why doesn't that stand for anything ?? .

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Greg!

So you're saying you agree with conversion therapy? A mess if true.



If a post basically saying "we'll turn on the gays if they keep calling out homophobia lol" is considered a great post I'd like to see the bad ones

Twist and Shout......

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

So you have read it , I guess no matter what we'll always disagree and go round in circles . Ann clearly gets on with Shane J when he's not being a sour bitch and she was best friends with Amanda ,why doesn't that stand for anything ?? .

What do you want it to stand for?

You've avoided my question again, so we'll just move on.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

I disagree, Ann is happy to discuss anything, Shane has said so. Ann would never shut down any discussion of women's rights. She does state that men and women are not the same in degrees of strength but they are in other ways which she fully endorses.

Why would anyone challenge Ann on a subject she agreed with them. Their way might not be her way but the underlying aims were exactly the same.

Do you remember what Ann said about women equality? she thinks gender is unimportant and called it not equality but a tilted table. She is so close-minded she thinks just because she got ahead with men in parliament therefore all women should get on and stop moaning.
I can't believe you don't remember this and other things? Her view that women complaing about sex abuse in Hollywood knew what was involved? I can't be bothered to go through the whole list of things.

Shane has rabble roused and tried to cause Ann the most distress which he has failed totally at because all his housemates turned on him and nominated him.

Rabble-roused? More like stayed true to his convictions instead of appeasing granny Ann

Why does the LGBT brigade want to win by default instead of winning by honest and decent means. Why did Shane go in with info to harm Ann rather than being a housemate and winning on merit. In fact his actions are giving Ann a backing she might not have had if he had chosen to do such. Why you need to view this in such a competitive manner rattling the Gay banner when every other housemate is there only to be themselves. It is hardly a level playing field.

You don't need any "info" to harm Ann, she provides it herself as she hasn't changed her views since being in parliament and she is not shy to let you know them.
And any sensible person would try to find out who are the people they will ber living with for weeks on TV.
Shane is a campaigner, that's his whole life. That's who he is and he is being himself. You don't blame Wayne for prancing about all the time because he is a dancer? Or Amanda for hamming it up? Some people can't leave things that are their passion at the door.
Shane is not competitive, actually he is the opposite. The patience and moderation he has shown in there is amazing. Not many people would show such maturity. Many exiting housemates said so.
He is not rattling any banners, he is able to talk in respectful way to all of them. Geez, even Ann called him kind tonight.

If a drag queen wins, which he should with the backing he has and the tactics deployed, then it is sad for all the women who work every day, bring up a family and enjoy actually being a woman 24/7, not when she wants to win a reality show.

Shane was gracious to say tonight that he tought a woman should win, didn't he.
If CBB wanted to guarantee a female winner they should have been women only. When it started that's what I thought.
Since it is a popularity contest, even with one man in the mix there is always a chance that that man could win. That's not Shane's fault.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Greg!

If a post basically saying "we'll turn on the gays if they keep calling out homophobia lol" is considered a great post I'd like to see the bad ones

This.
But it is good to know, true colours are coming out.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by HBIC

Um, no...a democracy is not exclusively majority rule like you describe

What you are describing is known as the "tyranny of the majority." Not a proper democracy.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority

This is why everyone should take a political science class. So many people here don't even know what an actual democracy entails.

Democracy gives everyone the right to give opinion...if it comes to the vote the majority wins. You really can't get fairer than that.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

This.
But it is good to know, true colours are coming out.

Why look for slights when they do not exist. You just wrote a great post but took one line from mine which was then twisted out of context.

I cannot understand why this happens, what do others get by making a meaning out of a post which was not there in the first place. Just to suit their agenda.

I read your post, I didn't agree but will not do it a discourtesy of twisting it or reading something into it which isn't there. That is my true colours, now you know.

[HBIC]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Democracy gives everyone the right to give opinion...if it comes to the vote the majority wins. You really can't get fairer than that.

Democracy is so much more than just “most votes = winner”

Did you read the wiki article I linked in my post?