Would you be dissapointed if your child came out as Gay?

[InOne]

Obviously most people accept it, but some have pretty different views when it comes to their own kids. Sort of shatters visions of Grand Kids and all that, and some seem less comfortable with it when it's their own Children. How would you feel?

I would not be bothered either way.

[Locke.]

Wouldn't be happy about it but there's nothing you can do really is there.

[Iceman]

No I wouldn't care at all, not my place to be upset or not, so long as they are comfortable and happy thats all that matters really.

[Shaun]

No.

*prepares self for a barrage of horrible comments*

[Jordan.]

I wouldn't be bothered.

[Ross]

No.

[Stacey.]

Nope, not at all.

[30stone]

Wouldn't be happy about it but there's nothing you can do really is there.

This.

[Patrick]

I'd like 3 Kids.

Sorry 4.

2 Boys and 2 Girls.

2 Boys, Reason? Back Up.
Means if one is gay, then fair enough you can still live under my roof and that just don't bring any lads home.

The other, would turn out straight and then we could have abit of banter, down the pub, Father and Son drink together in the strip club, You know.

Now here's where it get's good and lads, take this on board.


I convince the girlfriend to have 2 daughters, reason?
Well,


1 Will turn out, not normal.. well straight, She can ****** off to a flat down the road the second she brings a bloke home.

The other will hopefully be a lesbian.

Reason?
Well it's simple.

She will bring home alot of girls.

We hope their relationship fails, and she moves onto the next girl.
Then, I get the rebound.

But of course my daughter's Ex Girlfriend is a lesbian, so it's simple.

I keep an eye on her, just keep in contact you know, until she gets another girl.
Then, I ask them both to perform Lesbian Sex in my bedroom.

[This is my daughter's EX Girlfriend and her NEW Girlfriend, my Daughter isn't involved so no incest or Fritzl business is happening x]


And everyone lives happily ever after,


Providing no one tells the wife.

[Benjamin]

Yes, yes I would. Horrid thought!

[Iceman]

I'd like 3 Kids.

Sorry 4.

2 Boys and 2 Girls.

2 Boys, Reason? Back Up.
Means if one is gay, then fair enough you can still live under my roof and that just don't bring any lads home.

The other, would turn out straight and then we could have abit of banter, down the pub, Father and Son drink together in the strip club, You know.

Now here's where it get's good and lads, take this on board.


I convince the girlfriend to have 2 daughters, reason?
Well,


1 Will turn out, not normal.. well straight, She can ****** off to a flat down the road the second she brings a bloke home.

The other will hopefully be a lesbian.

Reason?
Well it's simple.

She will bring home alot of girls.

We hope their relationship fails, and she moves onto the next girl.
Then, I get the rebound.

But of course my daughter's Ex Girlfriend is a lesbian, so it's simple.

I keep an eye on her, just keep in contact you know, until she gets another girl.
Then, I ask them both to perform Lesbian Sex in my bedroom.

[This is my daughter's EX Girlfriend and her NEW Girlfriend, my Daughter isn't involved so no incest or Fritzl business is happening x]


And everyone lives happily ever after,


Providing no one tells the wife.

Do you know thats not possible yeah?

[Kerry]

No, not bothered. Infact I remember when one of my girls best mates was absolutely obsessed with my daughter (as toddlers) and her Mum used to say to me "Oh goodness, I think my daughter has a crush on yours!!". First thing I said was "so??"

[Patrick]

Do you know thats not possible yeah?

*Thinks*

2 Secs, I'm going to read over that post and try and figure it out abit.

[Vicky.]

The other, would turn out straight and then we could have abit of banter, down the pub, Father and Son drink together in the strip club, You know.


Do you think if your child was gay they would be unable to have banter in the pub with you?!

[Patrick]

Oh sorry, didn't see you put in bold..

[Novo]

I think i would be dissapointed at first, and it would take some getting use to as well.. your son telling you about his boyfriends and that.. I would be Equally disappointed if my daughter came out as well though

[Patrick]

Do you think if your child was gay they would be unable to have banter in the pub with you?!

Of course they could.

But not in a strip club silly.

[Vicky.]

Of course they could.

But not in a strip club silly.

Hmm...not all gay guys find women utterly repulsive.

I actually have a few gay mates who go to strip clubs on stag dos and that :laugh:

[Patrick]

Back to Eoin,

Good point actually.

Okay,
I convince the girlfriend to keep trying for more kids until we get lucky and have 2 girls.

The other babys can grow up and be Extras in my family.

[King Gizzard]

Obviously I wouldn't like the idea that there would be a high chance that we wouldn't share alot of interests, but I wouldn't be overly bothered.

[Vicky.]

On topic, no. it wouldnt bother me in the slightest.

[Patrick]

Hmm...not all gay guys find women utterly repulsive.

I actually have a few gay mates who go to strip clubs on stag dos and that :laugh:

LOL

Cool.
Oh yeah like Christian in Eastenders actually, Think I saw him in a strip club once.

[Not irl obviously]

[Jords]

Youd be disappointed to begin with I think, but get over it rather quickly and support them if you were a good parent.

Obv you wouldnt show that you were disappointed initially though.

[Benjamin]

Do you think if your child was gay they would be unable to have banter in the pub with you?!



Vicky! We all know gays don't do banter. We are too busy playing with barbie's, pretending we are Lady GaGa and practicing not to catch, not to run, and not to throw properly! Pffft! :rolleyes:

[Jack_]

Um...no. You're a dolt if you would be, quite frankly. Doesn't matter either way...what the **** has it got to do with me?

I don't want to know who my children are ****ing, whether they're gay or straight...

[Benjamin]

Back on topic myself.

Honestly, I am not bothered what my childrens sexuality is, as long as they are achieving everything they possibly could, were happy and not turning into some smacked up junkie.

[LemonJam]

I came into this thread thinking I would be a bit, but now having thought about it I don't think I'd mind really, as long as they're happy.

[Patrick]

Um...no. You're a dolt if you would be, quite frankly. Doesn't matter either way...what the **** has it got to do with me?

I don't want to know who my children are ****ing, whether they're gay or straight...

What if she was really fit?
What if he was Josef Fritzl?
What if she was a Prostitute?
What if he was her teacher?


LOL No but seriously, I have to agree with you on that last part in some sense because I won't be having this 'Talk' with my kids.

Reasons being, I don't really care who my son is shagging due to the fact he'll probably be getting more than I will when I'm around 40 and I'll be jealous.

And,
I'd rather my kids learned the modern way like I did...

Using this (http://www.google.co.uk/) and of course, this (http://www.pornhub.com/).

[Z]

I know of a pair of brothers who are both gay, Patrick; numbers don't necessarily guarantee anything.


I suppose you'd be disappointed if you were looking forward to the day that child got married and had children with a husband/wife (depending on their gender) but I think most parents' love of their children would prevail.

[Patrick]

I know of a pair of brothers who are both gay, Patrick; numbers don't necessarily guarantee anything.


I suppose you'd be disappointed if you were looking forward to the day that child got married and had children with a husband/wife (depending on their gender) but I think most parents' love of their children would prevail.

This.

I'd be pissed because I wouldn't have grandkids or anything like that.
Unless I paid someone to rape my son and drop the kid on the door step 9 months later, but that'd be abit dodgy.

[InOne]

This.

I'd be pissed because I wouldn't have grandkids or anything like that.
Unless I paid someone to rape my son and drop the kid on the door step 9 months later, but that'd be abit dodgy.

A bit dodgy? D: lol

[KG.]

We seem to have forgotten adoption/surrogacy and civil partnerships (and of course the possibility of marriage - although not likely with a conservative government)

Just because your child may turn out to be gay, that doesn't rule out the possibility of being a grandfather/mother or watching your child get married/enter a civil partnership with the person they love, and surely seeing your child happy should greatly outweigh any of your own desires for how you wanted things to be?

[KG.]

EDIT: double post.

[Ramsay]

youre coming off as a major twat in this thread patrick:laugh:
and no i wouldnt care
not my place at all do whatever you want i dont give a shyyte

[Kerry]

This.

I'd be pissed because I wouldn't have grandkids or anything like that.
Unless I paid someone to rape my son and drop the kid on the door step 9 months later, but that'd be abit dodgy.

Why couldn't you have grandchildren?

[Kerry]

Oh KG said similar :)

[Vicky.]

This.

I'd be pissed because I wouldn't have grandkids or anything like that.
Unless I paid someone to rape my son and drop the kid on the door step 9 months later, but that'd be abit dodgy.

Patrick...how on earth do things like this come into your head...seriously?!

[Stu]

Patrick you have a keen imagination. I'm glad you at least resisted the temptation to centre your posts and font rape the words.

And to answer the topic : No, I wouldn't. I would be proud of him or her for having the balls to come out to me.

[Z]

We seem to have forgotten adoption/surrogacy and civil partnerships (and of course the possibility of marriage - although not likely with a conservative government)

Just because your child may turn out to be gay, that doesn't rule out the possibility of being a grandfather/mother or watching your child get married/enter a civil partnership with the person they love, and surely seeing your child happy should greatly outweigh any of your own desires for how you wanted things to be?

I dunno if that was meaning my post; but I was meaning it in the traditional vein of marriage and having children; and yes that was my point too - love of your child would surely be more important than any "plans" you had for them.

[letmein]

Of course I wouldn't be disappointed! I would be happy for them. I can't believe anyone would take issue.

[Ross]

Patrick you're so young and clueless it's quite amusing.

[Patrick]

Patrick...how on earth do things like this come into your head...seriously?!

I don't know,
I went for a quick one there now, and then came back and read this thread and wanted to die after facepalming for a minute.

I remind myself of Brian Belo when I go into my happy hours, And it makes me ill because he was from such a sh*t series.

Patrick you have a keen imagination. I'm glad you at least resisted the temptation to centre your posts and font rape the words.



:joker::joker:

Why couldn't you have grandchildren?

They wouldn't be properly yours, yes they could adopt but still.
Unless you did what Michael Jackson did in that episode of South Park and got like them made in a lab, but then again they STILL wouldn't be your blood.

So you're pretty ******ed in that sense sadly.

But you can get people to like carry your baby right? Tila Tequila did it.

youre coming off as a major twat in this thread patrick:laugh:


http://i55.tinypic.com/103wec6.jpg
Patrick you're so young and clueless it's quite amusing.


http://i53.tinypic.com/1zg3txz.jpg

I'm 14 and I'm quite smart actually, you should see the rest of my school.

Jesus, I don't know how I survive.
I think I just seem 'clueless' on here because I'm with alot of people like in this thread that are more intelegunt [That's not how you spell it but I cbf googling] than me.

[Stu]

This is GOLD.

[_Seth]

2 Boys, Reason? Back Up.
Means if one is gay, then fair enough you can still live under my roof and that just don't bring any lads home.

The other, would turn out straight and then we could have abit of banter, down the pub, Father and Son drink together in the strip club, You know.


...


1 Will turn out, not normal.. well straight, She can ****** off to a flat down the road the second she brings a bloke home.
WTF? Why do you care if one of your kids, male or female, brings a guy home? That's pathetic.

And surely the gay son would feel like sh!t if you only really spent time with the straight one. You'd be an absolutely disgraceful dad.
Um...no. You're a dolt if you would be, quite frankly. Doesn't matter either way...what the **** has it got to do with me?

I don't want to know who my children are ****ing, whether they're gay or straight...

I agree with the fitst line exactly, but not the second - I would wanna know who my kids were shagging.

[Locke.]

Yeah if my son was gay I wouldn't be letting him bring boyfriends home and up to his room and stuff like.

[Patrick]

WTF? Why do you care if one of your kids, male or female, brings a guy home? That's pathetic.

And surely the gay son would feel like sh!t if you only really spent time with the straight one. You'd be an absolutely disgraceful dad.



'xcuse me?
http://i53.tinypic.com/23jo8ww.jpg


I'd be an amazing dad actually, I'd bring my kids up well and when they reach the age of 12 I will introduce them to Big Brother.

And they will be FORCED to watch at least one episode every night on Youtube, except for Series 9 then we can convert to DVD.

It will be like mass, only not sh*t.

My kids would love me :love:

Especially because I'm probably going to be famous when I'm like 20, so can you imagine how brilliant my kids lives would be?

Outstanding.

I'm going abit off topic here though, Sorry that's what happens when someone questions my parenting skills. :nono:

I care because I don't want to walk into the living room with a bottle of beer and a pizza getting ready to watch The UFC or Elite TV, to see my son and his boyfriend on the sofa snogging.

It's just one of those things really, where you can do it all you like.

Just not in my house or on my carpet.

[Patrick]

Yeah if my son was gay I wouldn't be letting him bring boyfriends home and up to his room and stuff like.

Thank You, It's just something you don't want to think about really whilst you're downstairs watching 8 Out Of 10 Cats or Deal Or No Deal and you're like looking at the ceiling face palming.

[Kerry]

You can have a biological child if you're gay....

[Ramsay]

I would say dont force big brother on them but i cant talk cus im gonna rape beatles into their ears lol

[Patrick]

You can have a biological child if you're gay....

http://evilbeetgossip.film.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/pregnant-man.jpg

Like this?

Or was this photoshopped? That picture makes me want to feel sick actually the way he's posing as if it's his new Facebook profile picture.


I would say dont force big brother on them but i cant talk cus im gonna rape beatles into their ears lol

:joker::joker:

[GypsyGoth]

That picture makes me want to feel sick actually the way he's posing as if it's his new Facebook profile picture.

:laugh3:

[Ramsay]

[IMG]
Or was this photoshopped? That picture makes me want to feel sick actually the way he's posing as if it's his new Facebook profile picture.





LOL
naw thats real it was on tv once
hes a ******

[Patrick]

Anyway,
It's been a good discussion and I will be bringing this up tomorrow in school with my friend when we have our 'Day Break' kind of discussion, our conversations in the morning basically.


Look at the time aswell!

Best be getting off,
Good Bye!

http://i54.tinypic.com/20zxmwp.jpg

[Vicky.]

http://evilbeetgossip.film.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/pregnant-man.jpg

Like this?

Or was this photoshopped? That picture makes me want to feel sick actually the way he's posing as if it's his new Facebook profile picture.


That photo is very real I believe, there was some kinda back story to it all though IIRC(about him having a womb or something :/) I may have got that totally wrong though...and pmsl at the facebook thing :laugh:

[Kerry]

I've seen that documentory about 'her' (not a man at all)

[Patrick]

LOL
naw thats real it was on tv once
hes a ******

Do you know if they cut him open by his stomach or the other day?


I'm not being funny but, if they did it the other way.. would they not damage any of his fake pussy? Because you know how it's made out of men's foreskin and stuff? Like they push the penis in and stuff, could it not fall apart if they pushed a baby out of that?

Would probably damage the fake pussy permanently actually.


Right that's really me now, Bye! :wavey:

[Mystic Mock]

I'd like 3 Kids.

Sorry 4.

2 Boys and 2 Girls.

2 Boys, Reason? Back Up.
Means if one is gay, then fair enough you can still live under my roof and that just don't bring any lads home.

The other, would turn out straight and then we could have abit of banter, down the pub, Father and Son drink together in the strip club, You know.

Now here's where it get's good and lads, take this on board.


I convince the girlfriend to have 2 daughters, reason?
Well,


1 Will turn out, not normal.. well straight, She can ****** off to a flat down the road the second she brings a bloke home.

The other will hopefully be a lesbian.

Reason?
Well it's simple.

She will bring home alot of girls.

We hope their relationship fails, and she moves onto the next girl.
Then, I get the rebound.

But of course my daughter's Ex Girlfriend is a lesbian, so it's simple.

I keep an eye on her, just keep in contact you know, until she gets another girl.
Then, I ask them both to perform Lesbian Sex in my bedroom.

[This is my daughter's EX Girlfriend and her NEW Girlfriend, my Daughter isn't involved so no incest or Fritzl business is happening x]


And everyone lives happily ever after,


Providing no one tells the wife.

whoa thats 100% creepy lol.

and i wouldnt be that bothered really.

[Kerry]

IIRC it's a woman who had a sex change but left her reproductive organs intact. She and her 'wife' were hounded out of town. They now have two kids (sperm donor I think)

[Kerry]

It's a woman. A man cannot physically carry a child (unless it's a seahorse)

[Vicky.]

It's a woman. A man cannot physically carry a child (unless it's a seahorse)

Ahh love it :D

[Kerry]

Ahh love it :D

Well male seahorses do the work :joker:

[Iceman]

Patrick in the space of 1 thread you've come across as a huge troll. You seriously nee to cop on a lot if you're ever gonna survive in the real world.....anyway good luck!

[_Seth]

Patrick, it's sexist if you'd allow your daughter to shag a girl in your house but not your son with a guy. That and the fact that you'd exclude your gay son from banter and stuff would make you a **** parent. :)

[MTVN]

I dont think I would be bothered at all, I know people who have had huge problems with their parents after coming out to them and I hope that if I do have kids I wouldnt treat them differently because of their sexuality

Although like some people have said, I might feel a bit weird if they started bringing home people of the same sex, I'm not sure how I would handle a situation like that.

[KG.]

I don't know,
They wouldn't be properly yours, yes they could adopt but still.
Unless you did what Michael Jackson did in that episode of South Park and got like them made in a lab, but then again they STILL wouldn't be your blood.

So you're pretty ******ed in that sense sadly.

But you can get people to like carry your baby right? Tila Tequila did it.

If your gay son decided upon surrogacy and they used his sperm, then it would be your blood.

And regarding adoption, what do you mean you're pretty *****ed? You wouldn't be able to love it as if it were your biological grandson/daughter because they adopted? Would this be the same principle if your daughter were infertile and her and her partner decided on adoption to raise a family of their own?

[Tom4784]

It wouldn't change things for me really, they'd still be the same person.

[Shaun]

I am so ****ing tired of the X Factor .gifs. Why does everything I introduce to this site get turned to ****?

[Kerry]

I suppose you could ask the same about backgrounds/class/age/religion (to name a few)

What would you accept??

Does anything go ?? As a parent would you accept anything of your child?

(Sorry to hijack your thread Joe)

[Shaun]

I suppose you could ask the same about backgrounds/class/age/religion (to name a few)

What would you accept??

Does anything go ?? As a parent would you accept anything of your child?

(Sorry to hijack your thread Joe)

I don't understand your question - would you accept your child being from a different background, social class, being a different age, or having different religious views?

Because the answer to the first three would be an unnecessary yes, given you're kinda responsible for that. Religion however is not something you're born into. Unless you're a crazy indoctrinating sort, in which case it's again the parent's responsibility.

[sorry if I misunderstood your question haha]

[Kerry]

I don't understand your question - would you accept your child being from a different background, social class, being a different age, or having different religious views?

Because the answer to the first three would be an unnecessary yes, given you're kinda responsible for that. Religion however is not something you're born into. Unless you're a crazy indoctrinating sort, in which case it's again the parent's responsibility.

[sorry if I misunderstood your question haha]

Sorry, I was lazy and was aiming it more at Patrick. I didn't quote as I thought no-one else was awake

I just hate prejudice and this thread kinda stinks of it

[Shaun]

Aaaaah I see, haha. Live and let live, really.

I dunno if that was meaning my post; but I was meaning it in the traditional vein of marriage and having children; and yes that was my point too - love of your child would surely be more important than any "plans" you had for them.

Greg I have to pull you up on your 'traditional marriage' point - the idea of a white wedding is rapidly decreasing. Cohabitation, single parenthood, living alone are all on the rise (according to sociologists...I have a test on this in 4 hours :o) - not to mention secularism.

I know you don't mean it in any kind of malicious way :tongue: but there's no more use in hoping for your straight child to get married, than there is in your gay child to get married/a civil partnership. What it all boils down to is you wanting them to be happy.

[cub]

Obviously most people accept it, but some have pretty different views when it comes to their own kids. Sort of shatters visions of Grand Kids and all that.

Er, why?? :conf:

[cub]

I'd be pissed because I wouldn't have grandkids or anything like that.

Again, why?? :conf:

[Novo]

Why do you need to ask why?? it's obvious what they mean.. you'll probably say something like " Gay people can adopt " but it's never going to be the same as having your own grand kids..

[cub]

Both gay men and lesbians CAN have their own kids. Why would I suggest adoption? Don't presume to tell me what I will probably say.

[Shaun]

Why do you need to ask why?? it's obvious what they mean.. you'll probably say something like " Gay people can adopt " but it's never going to be the same as having your own grand kids..

lesbians - IVF
gay men - surrogacy.

next?

[Miss Ivy Balls]

Patrick, it wouldn't be very nice or considerate if any of your potential children were having sex upstairs whilst you can hear them downstairs.

The sexuality shouldn't come into that.

[CaraRawr]

No, I would still support them and as long as they're happy. Anyone who would be disappointed is a bit of a wanker tbh.

[joeysteele]

It wouldn't change things for me really, they'd still be the same person.

This is an excellent comment. It says all that is right in just a few words.They'd still be the same person and if their parents really loved them why on earth should it make any difference.

[Lee.]

Initially I would be disappointed but a parents love is unconditional, so I'm sure it'd be something I'd get over pretty quickly.

I think I'd be more worried about how they would cope with it themselves.. I think it's down to personality. I think some kids take it in their stride, are confident and all together happy within themselves, whereas some feel different and become quite introverted whilst coming to terms with being gay... Thats what I would be most frightened of.

[Legend killer]

It wouldn't change they way i felt about he or she becuz there still the same person , but ovi i would feel a bit dissaopointed at first

[Niamh.]

I think I would be worried that they would have it harder than straight people and may have to face prejudice etc. but ultimately I love my kids and all I want is for them to be happy in life.

[Miss Ivy Balls]

No, I would still support them and as long as they're happy. Anyone who would be disappointed is a bit of a wanker tbh.

Comment of the thread, along with a couple others.

Way to go!!

*high five*

[Miss Ivy Balls]

Can I just ask people who said they'd be disappointed, disappointed about what?

Your own selfish reasons?

They can't change who they are, and if my mum or dad ever said they were disappointed in me because of who I am (sexuality) then I'd probably spit in both their faces and move to the other side of the country.

[Lee.]

Can I just ask people who said they'd be disappointed, disappointed about what?

Your own selfish reasons?

They can't change who they are, and if my mum or dad ever said they were disappointed in me because of who I am (sexuality) then I'd probably spit in both their faces and move to the other side of the country.

I didn't mean I'd be disappointed in my child.. I'd be disappointed because of the grandchild thing and also be worried that they may experience prejudice/bullying/unhappiness whilst they accept themselves for what they are..

[fruit_cake]

It wouldn't bother me at all

[Tom]

I'd like to think I wouldn't be but i think i would

[Patrick]

Patrick, it's sexist if you'd allow your daughter to shag a girl in your house but not your son with a guy. That and the fact that you'd exclude your gay son from banter and stuff would make you a **** parent. :)

No it's not sexist, it's just my belief and how I feel.

And I already took back what I said about banter.

But yes, if I don't want my son doing stuff with other guys in my house it's up to me.


I am so ****ing tired of the X Factor .gifs. Why does everything I introduce to this site get turned to ****?

It was actually Jack that brought them to my attention but k :hugesmile:

Again, why?? :conf:

I explained twice.

[Stu]

To be honest anyone living in this utopian fairyland of 'anyone who gets bothered is a SICK MONSTER~!~!~!~' is absoloutely delusional.

Parents can have many initial worries or fears based on how they were raised or thorugh plain lack of knowledge. It doesn't instantly make them homophobic for christ sake so put your over eager pheremone imbalance back in the closet. These hysterical nitwits do the LGBT no favours.

Of course harbouring the view that you would let two girls do the dirty in your house but not two guys is utterly stupid.

[Tom]

To be honest anyone living in this utopian fairyland of 'anyone who gets bothered is a SICK MONSTER~!~!~!~' is absoloutely delusional.

Parents can have many initial worries or fears based on how they were raised or thorugh plain lack of knowledge. It doesn't instantly make them homophobic for christ sake so put your over eager pheremone imbalance back in the closet. These hysterical nitwits do the LGBT no favours.

Of course harbouring the view that you would let two girls do the dirty in your house but not two guys is utterly stupid.

Thats just him trying his hardest to be macho man

[Stu]

http://images1.makefive.com/images/entertainment/television/top-5-wrestlers-of-all-time/macho-man-randy-savage-7.jpg

Ooooh yeah!

[cub]

lesbians - IVF
gay men - surrogacy.

next?

1. Why would lebians need IVF? I know loads of gay women with kids (produced in the traditional way).

2. Gay men and surrogacy is an option but not the only one.

3. Gay men produce sperm like straight men.


Can I go back to the person that spoke of adoption and said it's 'not the same thing'. I was adopted. So was my brother. So was my cousin. My other cousins were natural offspring of my aunt and uncle. Everyone of us was brought up the same and loved equally. In that respect it WAS the same.

[Shaun]

I'm just making one suggestion, asshat, I'm not doing your ****ing family-planning

[cub]

I'm just making one suggestion, asshat, I'm not doing your ****ing family-planning

Just making one suggestion. Don't make personal remarks if you want to continue posting freely on this forum. :)

[30stone]

No, I would still support them and as long as they're happy. Anyone who would be disappointed is a bit of a wanker tbh.

Bit harsh dont you think?

[Kazanne]

I would be initially surprised,but ,they are still my babies and I love them no matter what,so as long as they were happy,that would be fine,incidently the gay friends I have are always up for a laugh (men and women)I love going out with them.

[InOne]

Just making one suggestion. Don't make personal remarks if you want to continue posting freely on this forum. :)

Jesus beef or what?

Some parents might be cos they may still have traditional views. The whole big wedding and all that, then the 2.4 kids. It's not the fact they wouldn't be able to have grand kids it's the way they come about.

[Ammi]

I think I would be worried that they would have it harder than straight people and may have to face prejudice etc. but ultimately I love my kids and all I want is for them to be happy in life.

This - the only negative feelings I would have is as to whether it would create any homophobic predjudice from others. But I wouldn't care if they were gay and I have no longings to be a grandparent, but if they wanted children with their partner then that would be cool too

[Mr XcX]

Yes, I would be!!

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think a lot of how you bring your children up will decide this. It would be interesting to look at the parents of say 1000 gay people and compare notes. I would wager many similarities.

No one really wants their children to be gay, they deal with it if they have to.

[M X]

No I wouldn't be disappointed at all.

[Crimson Dynamo]

No I wouldn't be disappointed at all.

really?

[Miss Ivy Balls]

I think this should be locked to be honest.

Homophobia is against the rules.

[Niamh.]

It's an interesting topic Thomas and people haven't been homophobic in here at all

[Mr XcX]

Just because you do not believe in our views Thomas does not mean we have to close the thread!

[Patrick]

I think this should be locked to be honest.

Homophobia is against the rules.

It's not Homophobic at all, Jesus Christ.

[Patrick]

I think a lot of how you bring your children up will decide this. It would be interesting to look at the parents of say 1000 gay people and compare notes. I would wager many similarities.

No one really wants their children to be gay, they deal with it if they have to.

That's got NOTHING at all to do with it.

In some aspects, if a child was brought up in a family or a house with alot of girls and no man figure,
They could turn out camp really.

But the way someone brings a child up is hardly going to influence who they are attracted to.

You're Born Gay and You're Born Straight really.

You can't change it whilst growing up, no matter what a parent does to steer you straight.

[Patrick]

Of course harbouring the view that you would let two girls do the dirty in your house but not two guys is utterly stupid.


Not it is not.

Think of it this way Stu,

Would you rather watch Lesbian Porn or Gay Porn?
Obviously if my kids turned out gay I wouldn't watch them or get turned on by the thought of them doing it upstairs.

But I'd be much more happier with the fact my daughter and her girlfriend are doing it, than my son and his boyfriend.

I don't know why,
I'm not homophobic, I just don't like the thought of two males doing things to eachother.

Like I said, they can do it all they want just not around me and don't mention it to me and it's fine.

[MissKittyFantastico]

No it wouldn't bother me, not saying it would be my first choice for them because I would worry that they would struggle to come to terms with it themselves, but I'd hope that as a parent I'd have taught them that it doesn't matter what you are, it's who you are that counts.

[Barbie]

I can't see how anyone could be dissapointed.

I wouldnt be bouncing off the walls it just wouldn't make any difference to me at all

[Vicky.]

Not it is not.

Think of it this way Stu,

Would you rather watch Lesbian Porn or Gay Porn?


This isnt watching porn though, its listening to your kids having sex :S

I wouldnt like to hear my kids having sex with anyone tbh...

[Miss Ivy Balls]

This isnt watching porn though, its listening to your kids having sex :S

I wouldnt like to hear my kids having sex with anyone tbh...

Summed it up well there Vicky.

Negative views towards gay people is classed as homophobia. Not my words, the dictionaries.

But hayyyyyyyyy....w/e.

[Chels]

Not it is not.

Think of it this way Stu,

Would you rather watch Lesbian Porn or Gay Porn?
Obviously if my kids turned out gay I wouldn't watch them or get turned on by the thought of them doing it upstairs.

But I'd be much more happier with the fact my daughter and her girlfriend are doing it, than my son and his boyfriend.

I don't know why,
I'm not homophobic, I just don't like the thought of two males doing things to eachother.

Like I said, they can do it all they want just not around me and don't mention it to me and it's fine.

So you'd want to watch/listen to your own kids have sex? That's actually disturbing to know...

[Crimson Dynamo]

That's got NOTHING at all to do with it.

In some aspects, if a child was brought up in a family or a house with alot of girls and no man figure,
They could turn out camp really.

But the way someone brings a child up is hardly going to influence who they are attracted to.

You're Born Gay and You're Born Straight really.

You can't change it whilst growing up, no matter what a parent does to steer you straight.

There is no evidence to support what you say but plenty evidence to suggest upbringing.

As I say there are many similarities in parents of gay children

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think this should be locked to be honest.

Homophobia is against the rules.

then state the posts that are homophobic..

then we can all judge

[Benjamin]

Summed it up well there Vicky.

Negative views towards gay people is classed as homophobia. Not my words, the dictionaries.

But hayyyyyyyyy....w/e.

Thomas what the hell are you on about? This is a serious discussion tha occurs in the world we live in, nobody is slagging off gay people!

My mum at first wasn't happy that I was gay, but she soon dealt with it and now is supportive with it. :hugesmile:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Summed it up well there Vicky.

Negative views towards gay people is classed as homophobia. Not my words, the dictionaries.

But hayyyyyyyyy....w/e.

saying that you would not want your son or daughter to be (for example) disabled is not being negative about disability. Same goes in this thread.

[Patrick]

This isnt watching porn though, its listening to your kids having sex :S

I wouldnt like to hear my kids having sex with anyone tbh...

I used porn as an example as to what you're comfortable with.

I'm more comfortable with the fact my daughter would be sleeping with a girl in my house, than knowing my son would be ******ing his boyfriend in my house.


People just have different views really.

[Ninastar]

No I wouldn't. I would treat them like you would with any kid, gay or straight.

[Niamh.]

Thomas what the hell are you on about? This is a serious discussion tha occurs in the world we live in, nobody is slagging off gay people!

My mum at first wasn't happy that I was gay, but she soon dealt with it and now is supportive with it. :hugesmile:

I think, speaking as a mother, it would be more of worry for your child than anything else, that they will have alot more to deal with in life than a straight person would. Eventhough attitudes have changed dramatically in the last few years.

[Crimson Dynamo]

No I wouldn't. I would treat them like you would with any kid, gay or straight.

This thread is not about how you would treat them

[Patrick]

So you'd want to watch/listen to your own kids have sex? That's actually disturbing to know...

It's quite ******ing stupid that you just blatantly ignored the sentence that followed the quote that you just posted.

Or did you just chose to highlight that part and ignore what I just said under there for another reason?

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think, speaking as a mother, it would be more of worry for your child than anything else, that they will have alot more to deal with in life than a straight person would. Eventhough attitudes have changed dramatically in the last few years.

and every mum and dad wants the child to have a relationship like they did with children.

fact

[Ninastar]

This thread is not about how you would treat them

Im just saying how it wouldnt make a difference to me, and that I wouldn't act differently with them.

[Patrick]

Summed it up well there Vicky.

Negative views towards gay people is classed as homophobia. Not my words, the dictionaries.

But hayyyyyyyyy....w/e.

That's bollocks.

DISCRIMINATING against them, Singling them out and saying Homophobic remarks is Homophobic.

Not wanting your child to ****** another man upstairs is not homophobic especially when I said he can do whatever he likes just not in my house.

[Niamh.]

and every mum and dad wants the child to have a relationship like they did with children.

fact

My main hope for my children is that they're happy LT. That overrides everything else.

[Benjamin]

and every mum and dad wants the child to have a relationship like they did with children.

fact

Doesn't mean all will be disappointed. Fact!

[Miss Ivy Balls]

That's bollocks.

DISCRIMINATING against them, Singling them out and saying Homophobic remarks is Homophobic.

Not wanting your child to ****** another man upstairs is not homophobic especially when I said he can do whatever he likes just not in my house.

Yet it is fine if it was your daughter with another girl or bloke.

Let's take out the bloke at bloke from here.

What's the problem?

You don't feel comfortable with gay people having sex, but you do with lesbians and heterosexual people?

Anyway. I'm taking a back seat. I don't want to get into this and wish I'd not said anything.

[Benjamin]

Yet it is fine if it was your daughter with another girl or bloke.

Let's take out the bloke at bloke from here.

What's the problem?

You don't feel comfortable with gay people having sex, but you do with lesbians and heterosexual people?

Anyway. I'm taking a back seat. I don't want to get into this and wish I'd not said anything.



Not being comfortable with something isn't hompophobic Thomas. It's when people go out of their way to make it known and constantly show their detest and disgust in a spiteful manner. :bored:

[Mystic Mock]

ive got to say that this thread has made me worry for patrick,his came up with posts that i would never read on another forum and is a bit homophobic towards gay guys without realising.

[Novo]

ive got to say that this thread has made me worry for patrick,his came up with posts that i would never read on another forum and is a bit homophobic towards gay guys without realising.

I agree on most things he has said in this thread, or at least share the same views as him.. he hasn't said anything i would class as homophobic, what do you think he has said that you would say is homophobic?

[Mystic Mock]

I agree on most things he has said in this thread, or at least share the same views as him.. he hasn't said anything i would class as homophobic, what do you think he has said that you would say is homophobic?

well him saying that he would exclude his gay son because his gay is homophobic imo,also him saying that he would only want to have his daughter have sex with a girl in his house is sexist because he dosent want to have his son have sex with a guy in his house.

[Angus]

I would not have been bothered if either of my sons had said they were gay - I just want them to be happy in life. As it happens they are both heterosexual. I can't imagine why it would be a problem, other than that some people are fixated on having grandchildren, although these days gay couples are able to have biological children either through surrogacy or through sperm donors.

[Vicky.]

Not being comfortable with something isn't hompophobic Thomas. It's when people go out of their way to make it known and constantly show their detest and disgust in a spiteful manner. :bored:

This.

In my group of mates theres a very good mix of all sorts of different people. Whilst they all get on fine, some of my male mates get a bit uncomfortable when the gay ones start talking(usually in detail...) about who they did last night...and vice versa actually. Could hardly say they are homophobic...just dont particularly want to know the details of/hear/see the others having sex.

[Smithy]

Well I think it's fair to say Patrick should be banned from having Children

[letmein]

Not it is not.

Think of it this way Stu,

Would you rather watch Lesbian Porn or Gay Porn?
Obviously if my kids turned out gay I wouldn't watch them or get turned on by the thought of them doing it upstairs.

But I'd be much more happier with the fact my daughter and her girlfriend are doing it, than my son and his boyfriend.

I don't know why,
I'm not homophobic, I just don't like the thought of two males doing things to eachother.

Like I said, they can do it all they want just not around me and don't mention it to me and it's fine.
You're homophobic, doll face. Just accept it, and move on.

And quite honestly, the whole being happier about who was "doing it" and with whom, is very disturbing.

[Niamh.]

Well I think it's fair to say Patrick should be banned from having Children

I think if Patrick ever does have a daughter he may just change his mind on whether he'd let her sleep with anyone in his house, male or female!!

[Vicky.]

I think if Patrick ever does have a daughter he may just change his mind on whether he'd let her sleep with anyone in his house, male or female!!

Haha I was thinking this too actually. In general fathers are much more protective of daughters when it comes to stuff like sex than they would be of a son :laugh:

[letmein]

That's bollocks.

DISCRIMINATING against them, Singling them out and saying Homophobic remarks is Homophobic.

Not wanting your child to ****** another man upstairs is not homophobic especially when I said he can do whatever he likes just not in my house.

:joker:

Your entire premise is HOMOPHOBIC! Stop digging a bigger and bigger ditch for yourself! You don't even want the act happening in your own house. Think before you post, my dear.

[Novo]

You're homophobic, doll face. Just accept it, and move on.

And quite honestly, the whole being happier about who was "doing it" and with whom, is very disturbing.

It's perfectly normal that he doesn't like the Idea of two gay men having sex, he is straight after all... nothing homophobic here just you trying to make a big deal out of it

[Benjamin]

:joker:

Your entire premise is HOMOPHOBIC! Stop digging a bigger and bigger ditch for yourself! You don't even want the act happening in your own house. Think before you post, my dear.


Like I have said before, doll face, being uncomfortable with something isn't homophobic.

[Mystic Mock]

Like I have said before, doll face, being uncomfortable with something isn't homophobic.

it is when he dosent mind his daughter having sex with a girl in his house.:joker:

[Lee.]

:joker:

Your entire premise is HOMOPHOBIC! Stop digging a bigger and bigger ditch for yourself! You don't even want the act happening in your own house. Think before you post, my dear.

a lot (in fact most) straight men are uncomfortable at the thought of two men shagging.. Doesn't mean they feel hatred or contempt towards them. Not homophobia at all!

[letmein]

It's perfectly normal that he doesn't like the Idea of two gay men having sex, he is straight after all... nothing homophobic here just you trying to make a big deal out of it

No, it is homophobic. Unless someone is doing it right out there in front of you, you're having an irrational reaction to it.

[Niamh.]

it is when he dosent mind his daughter having sex with a girl in his house.:joker:

like I said, I bet he changes his mind if he ever does have a daughter!!

[Benjamin]

it is when he dosent mind his daughter having sex with a girl in his house.:joker:

:bored:

[Mystic Mock]

like I said, I bet he changes his mind if he ever does have a daughter!!

lets hope so because his views are:crazy: imo.

[Niamh.]

No, it is homophobic. Unless someone is doing it right out there in front of you, you're having an irrational reaction to it.

Not really just because someone is vegan and hates the thought of someone eating meat doesn't mean they hate meat eaters, does it?

[Crimson Dynamo]

My main hope for my children is that they're happy LT. That overrides everything else.

yes but you can aim a little higher than that

[Benjamin]

No, it is homophobic. Unless someone is doing it right out there in front of you, you're having an irrational reaction to it.


This is a discusion, we are discussing, that is his opinion, which I don't find homophobic.

[Crimson Dynamo]

no bloke likes the thought of 2 blokes having sex or kissing.

natural selection/evolution dictates so.

[Benjamin]

yes but you can aim a little higher than that


:bored:

[Niamh.]

yes but you can aim a little higher than that

That is the highest aim imo

[Vicky.]

Many straight men are not comfortable with the idea of gay men having sex (mind strangely it is fine for THEIR desires to be doing a girl up the bum...fascinating, same thing really :laugh:). It does not make them homophobic...

[letmein]

Like I have said before, doll face, being uncomfortable with something isn't homophobic.


ho·mo·pho·bia
noun \ˌhō-mə-ˈfō-bē-ə\

: irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals

aver·sion
noun \ə-ˈvər-zhən, -shən\
Definition of AVERSION
1
obsolete : the act of turning away
2
a : a feeling of repugnance toward something with a desire to avoid or turn from it <regards drunkenness with aversion> b : a settled dislike : antipathy <expressed an aversion to parties> c : a tendency to extinguish a behavior or to avoid a thing or situation and especially a usually pleasurable one because it is or has been associated with a noxious stimulus
3
: an object of aversion <inconstancy is my aversion — Jane Austen>


It is what it is.

[Crimson Dynamo]

:bored:

I think you are putting 2+2 together and getting 1.5%

[letmein]

This is a discusion, we are discussing, that is his opinion, which I don't find homophobic.

And I do.

[Angus]

yes but you can aim a little higher than that


And what exactly would you define as aiming higher than wanting your child to find true love and happiness with a partner who loves them back?

[Ammi]

I think if Patrick ever does have a daughter he may just change his mind on whether he'd let her sleep with anyone in his house, male or female!!
I agree with that-I have two adult sons and the whole having sex in the next bedroom thing feels really weird. Its an interesting subject though because it seems to be general opinion with forum mothers that they don't mind sexuality as long as their sons find the right person but I wonder if forum fathers also have this opinion. I'm only mentioning sons not daughters because Patrick said he wouldn't feel comfortable with them having sex upstairs. I don't think Patrick's homophobic by the way

[Crimson Dynamo]

ho·mo·pho·bia
noun \ˌhō-mə-ˈfō-bē-ə\

: irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals

aver·sion
noun \ə-ˈvər-zhən, -shən\
Definition of AVERSION
1
obsolete : the act of turning away
2
a : a feeling of repugnance toward something with a desire to avoid or turn from it <regards drunkenness with aversion> b : a settled dislike : antipathy <expressed an aversion to parties> c : a tendency to extinguish a behavior or to avoid a thing or situation and especially a usually pleasurable one because it is or has been associated with a noxious stimulus
3
: an object of aversion <inconstancy is my aversion — Jane Austen>


It is what it is.

unfortunately for your stance that is not the same as blokes not liking what homosexuals do.

[Vicky.]

Not really just because someone is vegan and hates the thought of someone eating meat doesn't mean they hate meat eaters, does it?

Thats a really good example actually...

[Crimson Dynamo]

And what exactly would you define as aiming higher than wanting your child to find true love and happiness with a partner who loves them back?

that is not what Neevy said

please go back to her post

[Mystic Mock]

no bloke likes the thought of 2 blokes having sex or kissing.

natural selection/evolution dictates so.

i dont think a bloke would want to think of there daughter having sex or kissing apart from patrick.

[Niamh.]

Thats a really good example actually...

lmao, yes indeed.......:joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

That is the highest aim imo

what about Olympic gold, a Blue peter Badge winner, being on IACGMOOH, a famous author, MD or a large company, Spy, pilot or a cross channel swimmer?

[Benjamin]

ho·mo·pho·bia
noun \ˌhō-mə-ˈfō-bē-ə\

: irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals

aver·sion
noun \ə-ˈvər-zhən, -shən\
Definition of AVERSION
1
obsolete : the act of turning away
2
a : a feeling of repugnance toward something with a desire to avoid or turn from it <regards drunkenness with aversion> b : a settled dislike : antipathy <expressed an aversion to parties> c : a tendency to extinguish a behavior or to avoid a thing or situation and especially a usually pleasurable one because it is or has been associated with a noxious stimulus
3
: an object of aversion <inconstancy is my aversion — Jane Austen>


It is what it is.

Actually the OED definition is an 'extreme or irrational aversion...'

(worded differently)

Saying that he wouldn't be comfortable with his son having sex with another man in his house, to me, isn't an extreme aversion.

If he were to never talk to people because they were homosexual, or avoid being near them, then that would be an extreme aversion.

[Niamh.]

what about Olympic gold, a Blue peter Badge winner, being on IACGMOOH, a famous author, MD or a large company, Spy, pilot or a cross channel swimmer?

all meaningless if you're not happy with your life though.

[Ammi]

I meant to say - parents would find it a bit weird to think about their kids having sex full stop - with opposite or same sex - but thats the point we don't think about them having sex at all that would be too weird - the same way they could never think about what their parents do in bed - who needs details

[fruit_cake]

what about Olympic gold, a Blue peter Badge winner, being on IACGMOOH, a famous author, MD or a large company, Spy, pilot or a cross channel swimmer?

what a scary parent you're gonna be!!!

[Crimson Dynamo]

all meaningless if you're not happy with your life though.

being happy with your life is a fairly meaningless and vague concept. Most folks would change their opinion about that after each meal!

[Crimson Dynamo]

what a scary parent you're gonna be!!!

there is nothing wrong with beating a child for failing to be an Olympic Champion:conf:

[Niamh.]

I meant to say - parents would find it a bit weird to think about their kids having sex full stop - with opposite or same sex - but thats the point we don't think about them having sex at all that would be too weird - the same way they could never think about what their parents do in bed - who needs details

Yeah, I reckon most parents will agree with that, your child having sex with anyone at all is not something parents like to think about, for the people who don't have kids reverse it, I bet ye don't like to think about your parents at it!! That's a good example for Patrick actually rhino, may just change his mind on his daughter sleeping with a girl in his house!!

[Crimson Dynamo]

no children should be having sex full stop

[Ammi]

being happy with your life is a fairly meaningless and vague concept. Most folks would change their opinion about that after each meal!

Most parents just want their children to find a partner they'll be happy with, who wont beat or cheat on them - what sex they are does not matter

[Niamh.]

being happy with your life is a fairly meaningless and vague concept. Most folks would change their opinion about that after each meal!

I disagree, I think it's a hugely important thing. I often think about it, I know certain people who are actually incapable of being happy, no matter what they get and that to me must be terrible.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Most parents just want their children to find a partner they'll be happy with, who wont beat or cheat on them - what sex they are does not matter

No, most parents want their children to find an opposite sex partner who does not so that.

[Angus]

that is not what Neevy said

please go back to her post

I have and that is what is implied in her post, or do you think there are other things more important in life than loving and being loved, because I certainly don't?

[Ammi]

No, most parents want their children to find an opposite sex partner who does not so that.

I said most people - of course there are some that want an opposite sex partner who may cheat on them and 2.4 little darlings that may grow up to be crack heads or beat up anyone they don't understand and live in their perfect little neat world - thank god thats not a majority view

[Ammi]

[QUOTE=LeatherTrumpet;3932090]no bloke likes the thought of 2 blokes having sex or kissing.

natural selection/evolution dictates so.[/QUOTE

So why would a bloke think about it then - I never feel the need to think about anybody else having sex

[_Seth]

Not it is not.

Think of it this way Stu,

Would you rather watch Lesbian Porn or Gay Porn?
Obviously if my kids turned out gay I wouldn't watch them or get turned on by the thought of them doing it upstairs.

But I'd be much more happier with the fact my daughter and her girlfriend are doing it, than my son and his boyfriend.

I don't know why,
I'm not homophobic, I just don't like the thought of two males doing things to eachother.

Like I said, they can do it all they want just not around me and don't mention it to me and it's fine.

That might not be homophobia, but it;s blatant sexism. You wouldn't allow your son to do stuff, butyou'd daughter to based purely on the reason that she's a girl. Totally unfair. Hearing your gay son shagging and gay daughter shagging should be eaqually as freaky.

[Crimson Dynamo]

[QUOTE=LeatherTrumpet;3932090]no bloke likes the thought of 2 blokes having sex or kissing.

natural selection/evolution dictates so.[/QUOTE

So why would a bloke think about it then - I never feel the need to think about anybody else having sex

probably becuase he is on this forum and the gays are always banging on about it?

[Smithy]

That might not be homophobia, but it;s blatant sexism. You wouldn't allow your son to do stuff, butyou'd daughter to based purely on the reason that she's a girl. Totally unfair. Hearing your gay son shagging and gay daughter shagging should be eaqually as freaky.

It's really creepy too, being happy to listen to your daughter doing it but not your son :s (whereas it should be happy to listen to neither)

[Crimson Dynamo]

I said most people - of course there are some that want an opposite sex partner who may cheat on them and 2.4 little darlings that may grow up to be crack heads or beat up anyone they don't understand and live in their perfect little neat world - thank god thats not a majority view

that does not make any sense

[Benjamin]

[QUOTE=rhino;3932155]

probably becuase he is on this forum and the gays are always banging on about it?

Not all of us mate ;)

[Ammi]

that does not make any sense

I was trying to say that so many opposite sex relationships are not good they are really s***e in fact and they do all the so called 'normal' things and have kids but they may have a s***e life and their kids may have s***e lives so this would not be what you would want for your kids as oppose to them beeing gay and finding someone amazing and them being happy. Its finding the right person thats important not what sex they are - and the sex part is not something a parent should be thinking about anyway

[Crimson Dynamo]

I was trying to say that so many opposite sex relationships are not good they are really s***e in fact and they do all the so called 'normal' things and have kids but they may have a s***e life and their kids may have s***e lives so this would not be what you would want for your kids as oppose to them beeing gay and finding someone amazing and them being happy. Its finding the right person thats important not what sex they are - and the sex part is not something a parent should be thinking about anyway

Being a homosexual is not just a sex life though is it. Finding out you son liked bondage is something a parent needs not know/care about. Finding out your son is gay makes a big diff to their lifestyle.

[Vicky.]

It's really creepy too, being happy to listen to your daughter doing it but not your son :s (whereas it should be happy to listen to neither)

I think it would be a different story if patrick actually had kids though. Hes young...a bit too young to be even thinking of it to be honest...

No parent would enjoy listening to the their child have sex...with anyone, unless they are a bit ****ed in the head :/

[Novo]

Think he means his daughters girlfriend......but even then.....

[Stu]

Not it is not.

Think of it this way Stu,

Would you rather watch Lesbian Porn or Gay Porn?
Obviously if my kids turned out gay I wouldn't watch them or get turned on by the thought of them doing it upstairs.

But I'd be much more happier with the fact my daughter and her girlfriend are doing it, than my son and his boyfriend.

I don't know why,
I'm not homophobic, I just don't like the thought of two males doing things to eachother.

Like I said, they can do it all they want just not around me and don't mention it to me and it's fine.
That the stupidist thing I have ever read. If porn is the only analogy you can come up with to defend your views then I don't know how to engage you.

Homophobia is pretty straight foward, this is just downright bizarre. To be cool with your daughter having gay sex but not your son based on what you find appealing to wank off to when TiBB goes down on a Saturday night? It's gay sex either way. It's your offspring either way. I find it incredibly odd that you would find one creepy but not the other.

I think you need to seperate yourself from fantasy. The fantasy of two girls spooning around in the next door room might turn you on, but I have no idea how that translates to your own daughter.

And these people who are uncomftorable with two men having sex ... I'm not saying you are homophobic - in fact I'm against that and against outrage ready plonkers like Thomas - but I just don't understand where you lot are coming from.

Unless ... like ... they are having sex on your face? Or broadcasting it and putting you ...

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/cultureshock/flashpoints/theater/images/clockwork_big.jpg

... through this?

[Vicky.]

Being a homosexual is not just a sex life though is it. Finding out you son liked bondage is something a parent needs not know/care about. Finding out your son is gay makes a big diff to their lifestyle.

Not necessarily. Many gay guys/girls have exactly the same lifestyle as straight people, just take a member of the same sex to bed with them...not all gays are into gayclubs, drugs and dragging strangers into toilets you know. Thats a bad stereotype. And to be fair, this happens in straight clubs too...quite often.

Being gay is not always a different way of life, just you do different stuff behind closed doors :/

[Crimson Dynamo]

Not necessarily. Many gay guys/girls have exactly the same lifestyle as straight people, just take a member of the same sex to bed with them...not all gays are into gayclubs, drugs and dragging strangers into toilets you know. Thats a bad stereotype. And to be fair, this happens in straight clubs too...quite often.

Being gay is not always a different way of life, just you do different stuff behind closed doors :/



They dont get married (mainly). They dont have grandchildren. They dont have the same lives as all the other friends sons do.

[Vicky.]

They dont get married (mainly). They dont have grandchildren. They dont have the same lives as all the other friends sons do.

Many straight couples dont bother with marriage though.

And if marriage and kids is the only difference, thats a bit of a weak argument, as both of these can still happen for gay people...

[Lee.]

That the stupidist thing I have ever read. If porn is the only analogy you can come up with to defend your views then I don't know how to engage you.

Homophobia is pretty straight foward, this is just downright bizarre. To be cool with your daughter having gay sex but not your son based on what you find appealing to wank off to when TiBB goes down on a Saturday night? It's gay sex either way. It's your offspring either way. I find it incredibly odd that you would find one creepy but not the other.

I think you need to seperate yourself from fantasy. The fantasy of two girls spooning around in the next door room might turn you on, but I have no idea how that translates to your own daughter.

And these people who are uncomftorable with two men having sex ... I'm not saying you are homophobic - in fact I'm against that and against outrage ready plonkers like Thomas - but I just don't understand where you lot are coming from.

Unless ... like ... they are having sex on your face? Or broadcasting it and putting you ...

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/cultureshock/flashpoints/theater/images/clockwork_big.jpg

... through this?

Ahh.. Stu, this all takes me back to our very first tiff! :D

[Stu]

Aren't we moving into the realm of family Vs. non family life here? Remember, that's a much wider issue than just the *****.

[Ammi]

Being a homosexual is not just a sex life though is it. Finding out you son liked bondage is something a parent needs not know/care about. Finding out your son is gay makes a big diff to their lifestyle.

no its not about sex - sex is only a part of any relationship. Its about two people who connect and spark. It makes me feel happy to be around people like that and to feel their connection. It doesn't matter what sex they are. There are plenty of male/female relationships out that are not good and are quite destructive and gay ones also. When two guys are close and its described as a bromance its like awww how sweet, but if those two guys then have sex with each other its oh no I wouldn't want that for my son - well why? whats the difference? thats where the sex comes into it because some people don't like it - well they're not having it!! so thats fine then

[Tom]

Haha I was thinking this too actually. In general fathers are much more protective of daughters when it comes to stuff like sex than they would be of a son :laugh:

Probably because realistically women are seen as sex objects for men. A dad will probably congratulate his son on having sex because he's finally nailed someone but for a girl its more about being taken advantage of (even if a complete promiscuous slut) and will be more protective because he doesn't want his daughter seen in that way.

Thats just more to do with sex and sexism really.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Many straight couples dont bother with marriage though.

And if marriage and kids is the only difference, thats a bit of a weak argument, as both of these can still happen for gay people...

you cannot seriously equate a gay marriage and adoption with that of a marriage and family?

[Crimson Dynamo]

no its not about sex - sex is only a part of any relationship. Its about two people who connect and spark. It makes me feel happy to be around people like that and to feel their connection. It doesn't matter what sex they are. There are plenty of male/female relationships out that are not good and are quite destructive and gay ones also. When two guys are close and its described as a bromance its like awww how sweet, but if those two guys then have sex with each other its oh no I wouldn't want that for my son - well why? whats the difference? thats where the sex comes into it because some people don't like it - well they're not having it!! so thats fine then

again. no idea what point you are making or how it relates to what has been said

[Vicky.]

Probably because realistically women are seen as sex objects for men. A dad will probably congratulate his son on having sex because he's finally nailed someone but for a girl its more about being taken advantage of (even if a complete promiscuous slut) and will be more protective because he doesn't want his daughter seen in that way.

Thats just more to do with sex and sexism really.

Ah yeah I know why. My sister is currently having this argument with my dad, he used to kick off if we stayed out with lads, and would never let a bloke stay in our house for the night, or even through the day...not in our rooms. Even when we were 16. Yet my brother is 13, and is allowed to go to sleepovers with girls, and have girls staying over...

you cannot seriously equate a gay marriage and adoption with that of a marriage and family?
Not necessarily adoption, there are other ways of going about things, where the child would actually be yours. Though theres no problem with adoption.

And I see no difference between gay 'marriage' and straight marriage tbh...but then again to me marriage is nothing more than a piece of paper and a big expensive party.

[_Seth]

you cannot seriously equate a gay marriage and adoption with that of a marriage and family?

There's no difference between gay and straight marriage and adopted kids and biological kids.

Love is love.

[Ammi]

again. no idea what point you are making or how it relates to what has been said

If either of my sons brought a guy home as their partner, I would be yes fine its like having another son, the more the merrier, and no PMT either - added bonus. It really doesn't matter at all, so long as they're happy and with the person they want to be with

[Tom]

There's no difference between gay and straight marriage and adopted kids and biological kids.

Love is love.

If there is no difference then why is it still a separate system? and as much as you can love an adopted child, i don't think anything can compare to the love of your own

[Ammi]

If there is no difference then why is it still a separate system? and as much as you can love an adopted child, i don't think anything can compare to the love of your own

I think parents who have adopted might disagree with that and lets face it unless you had a biological child and an adopted child, how could you know?

[cub]

I'll be pleased when being gay and enjoying a gay lifestyle is as much an issue as having brown or blonde hair. Or prefering brown or blonde hair.

One day there won't even be a discussion about this let alone seperate agendas.

[Stu]

There's no difference between gay and straight marriage and adopted kids and biological kids.

Love is love.
Horseshit. Come on. Do you think gay men would still adopt in huge numbers given some scientifically implausible hypothetical universe where any two men could conceive their own child? No. They wouldn't.

Every gay couple would want a child of their own genes. Reproduction is what continues the species. Fortunately plenty of that happens as it is. More than enough, in fact.

I'm not saying you can't love an adopted child but to compare the two is a joke and most gay people I know say the exaxt same thing. Because they are ordinary, honest people not obsessed with broadcasting their newfound lifestyle to anyone who will listen whilst simultaneously crying 'homophobia' over every little thing.

A lot of young gay members of this forum let their overexcitement at being finally 'out' take charge of their emotions and subsequently turn debates like these into unrealistic, faux idealism ladden cluster****s.

[cub]

I was adopted and my parents could not have love me more. Quite the reverse - I was loved more.

[Stu]

I'm not denying that. There's much more to the argument than how much a child can be loved. Two people creating one person of their own, all on their own who share the parents characteristics ... that's ... well ... life.

That child can be loved just as much as an adopted child and can be raised the same but at the end of the day there is still a massive difference. Difference[s]. All over the shop.

[Captain.Remy]

I'm the kind of guy who likes to live life to the fullest, I don't give myself boundaries, I do everything I want to make me happy so it makes me open-minded about a lot of things.

I like to have fun and I consider people as my piers, no matter who they are or what they believe in so if being gay makes my child happy, then good for him, I'm all for it. That's how my parents raised me, to do everything I want as long as I respect the people around me and by keeping my dignity safe and I will be doing exactly the same thing with my children.

And come on now, it's not like it's new or something, being gay is now (almost) accepted and it is present everywhere in today's society.

Bigots to the left.

[Zippy]

Back to the OP...

I wouldnt be disappointed but maybe a bit fearful of the prejudices and hassle they may face in life. Plus I think the issue of Grandchildren is very important. If its your only child then its kind of your only chance to have grandchildren so I can imagine it would be very disappointing to know that, biologically at least, it wasn't gonna happen.

But people adapt to whatever situation theyre faced with. I think parents just want to see their children happy at the end of the day.

[Angus]

If there is no difference then why is it still a separate system? and as much as you can love an adopted child, i don't think anything can compare to the love of your own

My son married a girl who had a 3 year old son and he became a stepfather before he became a father. He now has his own son, and he loves both his boys the same, as do I and the rest of the family.

[Angus]

I was adopted and my parents could not have love me more. Quite the reverse - I was loved more.

I totally agree - after all they actually CHOSE you, you weren't just randomly conceived. You were wanted and loved, which is more than can be said for some biological children whose parents had them by accident.

[Tom]

My son married a girl who had a 3 year old son and he became a stepfather before he became a father. He now has his own son, and he loves both his boys the same, as do I and the rest of the family.

But thats someone he'll have grown to love- I can guarantee that he loved his own child before it was even born. Theres also that children that aren't yours have real parents so is the love fully mutual?

[Stu]

To suggest there is no difference is just jumping the shark and then some. And stop bringing it back to love. You can love your adopted child just the same as your biological child, but only one of them is a scientific wonder. A piece of you in a piece of someone else. A continuation of your own family line.

Of course some of this also drips into how you bring up and teach your child - it's not all biological, but there is clearly a difference.

If they were the exact same in every way, much, much more people would adopt. Even just to avoid the pain of childbirth.

[Angus]

But thats someone he'll have grown to love- I can guarantee that he loved his own child before it was even born. Theres also that children that aren't yours have real parents so is the love fully mutual?

My son is the only father his stepson has ever known or will know since his biological dad is dead. Of course the love is mutual - my step grandson worships the ground his stepdad walks on and vice versa. There's more to being a parent than simply bringing the eggs and sperm.

[Angus]

To suggest there is no difference is just jumping the shark and then some. And stop bringing it back to love. You can love your adopted child just the same as your biological child, but only one of them is a scientific wonder. A piece of you in a piece of someone else. A continuation of your own family line.

Of course some of this also drips into how you bring up and teach your child - it's not all biological, but there is clearly a difference.

If they were the exact same in every way, much, much more people would adopt. Even just to avoid the pain of childbirth.

I actually feel sorry for you if you feel that way. It may not work for you, but that doesn't make it wrong for other people.

[Tom]

My son is the only father his stepson has ever known or will know since his biological dad is dead. Of course the love is mutual - my step grandson worships the ground his stepdad walks on and vice versa. There's more to being a parent than simply bringing the eggs and sperm.

I do understand that especially as I've always preferred my step dad over my real dad and he's treated me as such even though theres only a small age gap (17 years) but I do think that having your own child is better than someone elses, just because its yours. Adoption always comes second to conceiving because its part of your biological family and as already said, if it was identical then everyone would adopt because no woman would want to put themselves through the pain of child birth.

[Stu]

I actually feel sorry for you if you feel that way. It may not work for you, but that doesn't make it wrong for other people.
I didn't say it doesn't work for me. And I didn't say it's wrong for other people to do it.

I feel sorry for your inept ability to make assumptions.

[Boothy]

Not sure really. I think I'd find it a bit weird. Not that I'm homophobic or anything, I just don't think I'd like the idea of my own son/daughter being gay.

[Angus]

I do understand that especially as I've always preferred my step dad over my real dad but I do think that having your own child is better than someone elses, just because its yours. Adoption always comes second to conceiving because its part of your biological family and as already said, if it was identical then everyone would adopt because no woman would want to put themselves through the pain of child birth.

Of course it's not identical, but it just doesn't hold the same importance for some as it does for others to have a biological link throughout the centuries. I never had any massive maternal yearnings, nor any huge desire to pass my genes down through the ages, I just loved my kids when they came along. I have always taken life as it comes, and have never limited how much I love or can be loved by anyone. Love has no boundaries or restrictions in my book - but I do understand where you are coming from since many people feel a primeval need to pass on their genes, to recognise traits, resemblances, characteristics, but I never have.

I love my grandson and step grandson for their own selves and personalities, not because they are perpetuating my biological bloodline. They are as much a product of the environment and the upbringing they are sharing as if they were truly full siblings with a common lineage. I cannot explain it any better than that.

[Tom]

Of course it's not identical, but it just doesn't hold the same importance for some as it does for others to have a biological link throughout the centuries. I never had any massive maternal yearnings, nor any huge desire to pass my genes down through the ages, I just loved my kids when they came along. I have always taken life as it comes, and have never limited how much I love or can be loved by anyone. Love has no boundaries or restrictions in my book - but I do understand where you are coming from since many people feel a primeval need to pass on their genes, to recognise traits, resemblances, characteristics, but I never have.

I love my grandson and step grandson for their own selves and personalities, not because they are perpetuating my biological bloodline. They are as much a product of the environment and the upbringing they are sharing as if they were truly full siblings with a common lineage. I cannot explain it any better than that.

But when you take on someone elses child, theres the possibility of them only being in your life for a limited time, usually as long as a relationship lasts, whereas with your own child its unlimited. A similar principle could apply to adoption but to a much lesser extent

[Angus]

But when you take on someone elses child, theres the possibility of them only being in your life for a limited time, usually as long as a relationship lasts, whereas with your own child its unlimited. A similar principle could apply to adoption but to a much lesser extent

Of course, but that could just as easily be said for biological children, where parents, (usually fathers) can become estranged from their children because of divorce etc. The fact that the child is no longer in your life, does not diminish the love felt for that child or the child's love for the absent parent. I would also query the statement "someone else's child" since if there is no "someone else" that would not apply. There are plenty of parents who do not feel the "unlimited" love/time you mention for their own biological children - the fact that someone has given birth to a child does not guarantee they will love that child at all, never mind forever, or that they will always be in that child's life.

[Tom4784]

I've got a very light trigger finger when it comes to infractions and I've found nothing homophobic in this topic, some people are a bit uncomfortable about it but that's not what I'd class as homophobia. Nobody's posted hate at all, not that I'm defending Patrick's ummm......'Logic'.

As for the nature vs nurture argument, I struggle to believe sexuality isn't genetic. If it was based on how a child is raised then why are some kids gay but others aren't if they're raised in the same household? I think, given how easy it would be to find a pattern for the nurture side of the argument, that the lack of a solid pattern is telling. It's all down to genetics I think, a factor no one can control, decide or influence.

[Stu]

Believe him. His actually the Kim Jong-Il of the moderating world.

[fruit_cake]

As for the nature vs nurture argument, I struggle to believe sexuality isn't genetic. If it was based on how a child is raised then why are some kids gay but others aren't if they're raised in the same household? I think, given how easy it would be to find a pattern for the nurture side of the argument, that the lack of a solid pattern is telling. It's all down to genetics I think, a factor no one can control, decide or influence.

I read that there are two types of hand, Masculine and Feminine.. men tend have longer ring fingers than index fingers whereas women tend to have longer or equal index fingers than ring fingers

http://www.gay-males.org/beachbum/news/gaydar/digits.jpg

the one on the left is typical of a man, the one on the right of a woman..

apparently if you have the incorrect pattern it means you are far far more likely to be homosexual

[Stu]

My ring fingers are bigger than my index ones so I can confirm that I have the bitch hands. I'm bi though. But a bit girly in the brain. Movies make me cry, and I own a pair of leather pants which I enjoy wearing when mixing vodka with alcopop.

[fruit_cake]

My ring fingers are bigger than my index ones so I can confirm that I have the bitch hands. I'm bi though. But a bit girly in the brain. Movies make me cry, and I own a pair of leather pants which I enjoy wearing when mixing vodka with alcopop.

:nono: no stu if your ring fingers are bigger then you have typically male hands!!!

[_Seth]

I really don't think being gay is genetic. Unless you just mean you're "made" gay whilst in the womb, then yeah you're right.

[Stu]

My bad, I worded it wrong. It's the big index finger I have. Actually ... I didn't word it wrong at all. Far worse in fact. I looked at the pictures, looked at the left and right explanation and got my left and right mixed up. It's barely bigger though. At a quick glance they are at about the same length.

The leather pants cut off the blood/oxygen path to my brain.

I really don't think being gay is genetic. Unless you just mean you're "made" gay whilst in the womb, then yeah you're right.
It's far more likely to be in the genes than your bizarre scientific explanation. How can you be 'made gay' in the womb? Does Liza Minelli shrink herself down and swim up to you for a quick chat or something?

Personally I'm not sure. Could be part genetic, part social settings. One or both for each individual person. Who knows.

[_Seth]

Something simply has gone wrong, technically. Being gay isn't inherited like hair colour. That's like saying being blind is inherited.

I don't wanna describe being gay as a mistake... but something obviously would have gone wrong. :(

[Stu]

So 'something just goes wrong' inside the womb? And that makes the child - twelve or thirteen years late - realize he would much rather stick his cock up another mans ass?

You cannot compare being gay to something like blindness or any medical ailment that carries an inherent health risk. It's certainly an abnormality in humans but that's about it. Science doesn't have a concious. Your body doesn't decide it's going to 'do something wrong' and be gay for a bit.

Something just decides to go a bit ... different. That's the word I would use. Not wrong.

[_Seth]

Whatever, I just think you're born gay.

I just wonder why the IMAGE of a certain gender can turn someone on. I think that needs to be figured out first.

[Stu]

Whatever, I just think you're born gay.

I just wonder why the IMAGE of a certain gender can turn someone on. I think that needs to be figured out first.
I don't think it needs to be figured out. Thousands of explanations have been penned in thousands of books you have simply never read or heard of.

It's pretty simple really. It's evolutionary. Over the course of a length of time too obscene for us to even comprehend chemicals have worked to form male brains that are predominantly attracted to women, and female brains that are predominantly attracted to men as an incentive for us to have a **** and continue on the species.

[InOne]

All the people who are going on about adopting and still being able to have biological children are sort of assuming their son or daughter would want a child. You're going on like every gay couple automatically has a child or something. I don't know the % but it's not that high is it? And I am not that clued up on this by the way so you can correct me if I'm wrong.

[Shaun]

Just making one suggestion. Don't make personal remarks if you want to continue posting freely on this forum. :)

rofl, like you could stop me

[Novo]

Now Now

Less Idle Banter http://i36.tinypic.com/1gmzq1.jpg

[letmein]

Not sure really. I think I'd find it a bit weird. Not that I'm homophobic or anything, I just don't think I'd like the idea of my own son/daughter being gay.

But that IS homophobic. It's a shame that you feel that way.

[Locke.]

Nothing homophobic about it, stop being so bloody stupid.

[Novo]

But that IS homophobic. It's a shame that you feel that way.

I find Your Signature is very disturbing

does that make me homophobic

[Miss Ivy Balls]

lemmein's signature is hot.

I've seen the uncensored images...wow....HOT!!!!!

momomomomom.

[Shaun]

I find Your Signature is very disturbing

does that make me homophobic

No, because that's just a naked guy...

[Captain.Remy]

Something simply has gone wrong, technically. Being gay isn't inherited like hair colour. That's like saying being blind is inherited.

I don't wanna describe being gay as a mistake... but something obviously would have gone wrong. :(

Yeah but from what I've heard from gay people, they didn't choose to be gay...it just happened to be there.

So how do you explain it? if it's not genetics, what is it considering it is something you cannot control?

[Stu]

Thomas C likes the cock, everyone.

Just in case he didn't already make you realize.

Tell a friend.

[cub]

But that IS homophobic. It's a shame that you feel that way.

I agree. People just need to replace 'gay' with 'black' for a clearer understanding of what is and what isn't homophibic.

Compare:

"I'm not homophobic, but I wouldn't want my son/daughter to be gay or bring a gay person home"

and

"I'm not a racist, but I would not want my son/daughter to be black or bring a black person home"

[Lee.]

I agree. People just need to replace 'gay' with 'black' for a clearer understanding of what is and what isn't homophibic.

Compare:

"I'm not homophobic, but I wouldn't want my son/daughter to be gay or bring a gay person home"

and

"I'm not a racist, but I would not want my son/daughter to be black or bring a black person home"

Dating a black person does not make you different though, and whether you like it or not, being gay does make you different to the majority of people.

Parents do not want their kids to be different in any way as it (wrongly) leaves them open to harrasment, bullying and prejudice, therefore, when people say they would be disappointed if their child was gay, I don't think it's because of an aversion to gays, but a worry that your child may be singlesd out and bullied, something no parent wants for their kid!

And I am not just talking about being gay here; I've seen how horrible kids can be. They will ridicule the slightest little thing, from ginger hair to disability.

To me though, health is wealth and I am just grateful I have two healthy kids and will love them no matter what they turn out to be :)

[30stone]

Thomas C likes the cock, everyone.

Just in case he didn't already make you realize.

Tell a friend.

No Way!

[letmein]

Dating a black person does not make you different though, and whether you like it or not, being gay does make you different to the majority of people.

Parents do not want their kids to be different in any way as it (wrongly) leaves them open to harrasment, bullying and prejudice, therefore, when people say they would be disappointed if their child was gay, I don't think it's because of an aversion to gays, but a worry that your child may be singlesd out and bullied, something no parent wants for their kid!


Yes it does! Being black makes you a minority, just like a gay person. What rubbish!

People who are in interracial marriages/relationships have their lives put in danger all the time.

[letmein]

I find Your Signature is very disturbing

does that make me homophobic

The doesn't even make sense. False equivalency.

[Lee.]

Yes it does! Being black makes you a minority, just like a gay person. What rubbish!

People who are in interracial marriages/relationships have their lives put in danger all the time.

Hmm.. Seems you have misunderstood my point..

I wasn't talking about being black; I was comparing your child bringing home a black person to bringing home their gay lover.

Anyway.. just to reiterate my main point; A parent feeling disappointement/worry/apprehension on finding out their child is gay is normal, NOT homophobic.

(A parent not wanting their child to have a black partner is racist)

That's all :)

[Crimson Dynamo]

bearing in mind only around 1.5% of the population turns out gay it is not really much of an issue.

[_Seth]

Yeah but from what I've heard from gay people, they didn't choose to be gay...it just happened to be there.

So how do you explain it? if it's not genetics, what is it considering it is something you cannot control?
I know it's not a choice. I never even hinted to it being one. I just don't think it's inherrited, something wrong just simply happens.
bearing in mind only around 1.5% of the population turns out gay it is not really much of an issue.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - that statistic is a crock of sh!t. There are WAY more gay/bi people FFS. A lot probably didn't want to say or they went to the straightest of cities etc. I'd say a good 15% are.