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Pyramid*

28-12-2010, 12:53 PM

So this has been dominating the news, buit would she get this much attention if she wasn't good looking and in a decent job? The media is so fickle :bored:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-12080254

I'm not taking away anything from the fact she was murdered and it's sad for her family and that, but you can see the point i'm making.

I think it dominating the news has more to do with the fact that the 'news has been dominated with more trivial things such as snow, flight delays etc'.... and less to do with her levels of attractiveness and employments status: this puts all the moans about the weather, delays, inconveniences etc it has caused, into perspective.

sorry but I don't see the point you are making?

It's a particularly sensitive time of the year, and her family will never ever be able to celebrate Christmas/New Year with real joy - for the rest of their lives. THAT'S the point...... not that she wasn't ugly or unemployed.

InOne

28-12-2010, 12:58 PM

The point I was making is clear, the media is fickle. Come on, you know this.

Pyramid*

28-12-2010, 01:25 PM

The point I was making is clear, the media is fickle. Come on, you know this.

On this one, I totally disagree.

InOne

28-12-2010, 01:27 PM

On this one, I totally disagree.

Think about it, especially with kids. They're worst for that. Everyone gets heartbroken with one case with a kid until the next one comes along.

MTVN

28-12-2010, 01:40 PM

I'm not taking away anything from the fact she was murdered and it's sad for her family and that, but you can see the point i'm making.

Yeah, it's a terrible thing to happen but there are hundreds of murders in the UK every year, most of whom dont get the attention and the publicity that this case is getting

Kazanne

28-12-2010, 01:44 PM

Pyramid*

28-12-2010, 01:53 PM

Yeah, it's a terrible thing to happen but there are hundreds of murders in the UK every year, most of whom dont get the attention and the publicity that this case is getting

Okay then. So what do you expect the news to currently concentrate on then? The continuing weather, when the next snow fall is expected? It's news. As it is news when all the other murders are reported on.

And Scrooge..... if they are being fickle as you say in reporting on Joanna - are they also being fickle when it is someone elses child, but a child of a younger age, when they are reporting those types of murder?

Pyramid*

28-12-2010, 01:57 PM

The worst thing in life is to lose a child to murder,I feel for them,must be a horrendous time for them.Are they certain she has been murdered though,I read something that gave indications she MIGHT just have died from the cold.

Given the recent weather, it's not beyond the realms of possibility. Though the fact that she left the house when her phone, bag, purse etc were all still there... does seem 'odd'.

It goes against nature for a parent to have to bury a child - and regardless of her age, social status etc: I don't think the media are over reporting on this. It's news, and at this time of year, it's more newsworthy -and as you say, it's still unsolved - that's what gives the media the interest in it (along with the time of year).

MTVN

28-12-2010, 02:21 PM

Okay then. So what do you expect the news to currently concentrate on then? The continuing weather, when the next snow fall is expected? It's news. As it is news when all the other murders are reported on.

And Scrooge..... if they are being fickle as you say in reporting on Joanna - are they also being fickle when it is someone elses child, but a child of a younger age, when they are reporting those types of murder?

Oh look, a quick google search and what do I find - http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/8758804.Village_in_shock_after_grisly_death_near_C hichester/

"Residents in a sleepy village spoke of their shock after a man’s body was found with multiple stab wounds

Detectives were yesterday combing the isolated, rural location looking for clues after the death of a 45-year-old man.

The Romanian nursery worker, who was living and working at the plant nursery, in Second Avenue, Almodington, near Chichester, was stabbed several times late on Christmas Day"

He wont be on the front page of every newspaper in Britain, noone gives a sh*t about him. What makes Joanna Yates murder any more important than this guys?

Pyramid*

28-12-2010, 02:34 PM

Oh look, a quick google search and what do I find - http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/8758804.Village_in_shock_after_grisly_death_near_C hichester/

"Residents in a sleepy village spoke of their shock after a man’s body was found with multiple stab wounds

Detectives were yesterday combing the isolated, rural location looking for clues after the death of a 45-year-old man.

The Romanian nursery worker, who was living and working at the plant nursery, in Second Avenue, Almodington, near Chichester, was stabbed several times late on Christmas Day"

He wont be on the front page of every newspaper in Britain, noone gives a sh*t about him. What makes Joanna Yates murder any more important than this guys?

It clearly has escaped your attention that the 'victim' is not the one who is giving themselves the publicity. It's the relatives and those involved who push the publicity..... if this man doesn't have relatives who want to push in the same way as Joanna's relatives (and friends) do.... it's hardly the media's fault.

They will respond to what is being given the biggest push.

Joanna had been reported missing since 17th December - therefore the media push was not for a murder, but on finding her - that was the news story. Unfortunately they have found her. Dead, therefore the news will expand on the original story.

You'll also note that the person 'murdered' in your link, has not yet been officially identified (according to the link you posted). Joanna's body has been identified.

You'll also note that a 53 year old man has been arrested in connection with the murder. Joanna's death is still under investigation.

Lots of differing factors. Lots of differing reasons & circumstances for a national paper not picking up the story.

As for your comments, "Nobody gives a sh!t about him".... maybe you want to go ask his relatives/family why they haven't contacted the press to see if that will help .... oh wait... the police already have someone they suspect as being responsible. Maybe that's a huge big clue - it's nothing to do with no one giving a damn, but more to do with 'WHO' murdered - which is what the police are focusing on at the moment with Joanna's case.

arista

28-12-2010, 03:04 PM

So it's a sex crime?

At the Press Meeting today
The Police were asked that Question
And they Do not know ,as yet?

The Body was Frozen
so they take there time on what they find.

InOne

28-12-2010, 04:22 PM

Pyramid*

28-12-2010, 04:41 PM

You just keep missing the point. Don't get why you keep bringing all these other factors into it. You really think the media would have a 52 year old man as head line news rather than Joanna?

It's like with suicides, always a lovely young girl who was doing so well in life or something. You come up with all these other factors and dodge the actual point. The media is fickle and so are people in some cases. Everyone is guilty of it.

I'm not missing any point. I was addressing a particular post that MTVN made and towards a link that they posted - and all of what I said was relevant - not dodging the point as you have stated (ie: bringing other factors into it) - read MTVN's post and you will understand why I said what I did in my reply to them. I've addressed 'your point' several times over on this thread.

Sorry if you disagree, but that's the way life works. I disagree that the media are being fickle. Joanna's story has gone from a missing person hunt over several days to a finding the missing person dead ..... and now trying to establish whether it was murder or not. It's hardly a 'like for like' scenario is it.

That's a bit different from a 53 year old man being murdered, and within 1 day of his body being found, someone has actually been arrested in connection with being responsible.

Twist it all you like, but those are the facts of the matter. Those ARE the points. Joanna was missing since 17 December: the hunt for her went on since the 17 December, appeals to the public at her parents and local police requests: until they found her body yesterday: now the story has changed to establishing whether she was murdered or not.

Now which part of 'my points' is it that you aren't quite understanding? The story began as a missing person story - and has ended up in a possible murder investigation. The media have continued the story due to the changes that happened. It's not that difficult to understanad. (and I far preferred Scrooge!)

ps. the Romanian guy was reported as being 53. Not 52. ;)

InOne

28-12-2010, 04:44 PM

Those are your points, but we'll have to agree to disagree lol We'll only end up going round in circles. I was just letting you know the way the media works, take it how you want...

Pyramid*

28-12-2010, 04:48 PM

Those are your points, but we'll have to agree to disagree lol We'll only end up going round in circles. I was just letting you know the way the media works, take it how you want...

I think I'm pretty much long enough in the tooth to know how the media works.........

But yes we will have to agree to disagree. :blush:

InOne

28-12-2010, 04:55 PM

MTVN

28-12-2010, 04:57 PM

It clearly has escaped your attention that the 'victim' is not the one who is giving themselves the publicity. It's the relatives and those involved who push the publicity..... if this man doesn't have relatives who want to push in the same way as Joanna's relatives (and friends) do.... it's hardly the media's fault.

They will respond to what is being given the biggest push.

Joanna had been reported missing since 17th December - therefore the media push was not for a murder, but on finding her - that was the news story. Unfortunately they have found her. Dead, therefore the news will expand on the original story.

You'll also note that the person 'murdered' in your link, has not yet been officially identified (according to the link you posted). Joanna's body has been identified.

You'll also note that a 53 year old man has been arrested in connection with the murder. Joanna's death is still under investigation.

Lots of differing factors. Lots of differing reasons & circumstances for a national paper not picking up the story.

As for your comments, "Nobody gives a sh!t about him".... maybe you want to go ask his relatives/family why they haven't contacted the press to see if that will help .... oh wait... the police already have someone they suspect as being responsible. Maybe that's a huge big clue - it's nothing to do with no one giving a damn, but more to do with 'WHO' murdered - which is what the police are focusing on at the moment with Joanna's case.

Yeah, that's true I suppose, I was just trying to make the point that the media will elevate the importance of one particular murder case over another, something I dont like.

InOne

28-12-2010, 04:59 PM

Yeah, that's true I suppose, I was just trying to make the point that the media will elevate the importance of one particular murder case over another, something I dont like.

Yep, and people are quick enough to forget about them too.

Pyramid*

28-12-2010, 05:03 PM

Didn't see this. I'm afraid they are the worst with Children, and so are people for getting outraged at one thing, and then next time it happens get outraged to the next one who dies horribly. It's a shame but that is how it works. Look up some of the cases.

I don't have to look up any cases. I think they are quite right to go 'heavy at it' when it comes to children. I do - because we know live in a society whereby there are so many sick bastards out there who do the most appalling things to very young and defenceless children: to their own flesh and blood, who torture,maim, and treat in the most goddawful way, causing untold suffering.

I personally prefer to know what sort of sick bastards are out there, what evil they dished out.. why? Because those responsible for it need to feel just a little what it's like to live in complete and utter fear and terror:- and I hope they live a long life suffering and being terrified of who is going to attack them next, who is goign to harm them next.

I'm in the 'eye for an eye' brigade. None of this 'forgiveness' crap for me, thanks very much. Forgiving doesn't bring back a young child's life - or anyone elses for that matter: but I'm homing in on the young child as that's what your aiming at .

That's it. Rant over.

InOne

28-12-2010, 05:06 PM

I don't have to look up any cases. I think they are quite right to go 'heavy at it' when it comes to children. I do - because we know live in a society whereby there are so many sick bastards out there who do the most appalling things to very young and defenceless children: to their own flesh and blood, who torture,maim, and treat in the most goddawful way, causing untold suffering.

I personally prefer to know what sort of sick bastards are out there, what evil they dished out.. why? Because those responsible for it need to feel just a little what it's like to live in complete and utter fear and terror:- and I hope they live a long life suffering and being terrified of who is going to attack them next, who is goign to harm them next.

I'm in the 'eye for an eye' brigage. None of this 'forgiveness' crap for me, thanks very much. Forgiving doesn't bring back a young child's life.

That's it. Rant over.

Not being funny but that is a narrow minded way of thinking. And terrible things have always happened since the dawn of man, you make out stuff like this started happening 50 years ago or something :S

And miss 'eye for an eye' would you want a member of your family dead if they did something like that? You sound quite cold to me.

Pyramid*

28-12-2010, 05:19 PM

Not being funny but that is a narrow minded way of thinking. And terrible things have always happened since the dawn of man, you make out stuff like this started happening 50 years ago or something :S

And miss 'eye for an eye' would you want a member of your family dead if they did something like that? You sound quite cold to me.

Oh I'm being deadly serious. Absolutely. I'm not cold - I'm simply of the mind that a Life for a Life is fair - call it all things being equal.

Seeing as this country doesn't allow the death penalty: I'll make do with those who do inflict such crimes on others, the fear of waking up every day - terrified of what's going to hit them next. If it was a family member: not good, but it wouldn't change my mind. I wouldn't like it but that's the way it goes: not that it would happen seeing that the Death Penalty is illegal here.

I have no problem with that at all and I sleep very well at night.

Where have I 'made out' that these things have not happened from the dawn of time? I didn't - stop making things up.

InOne

28-12-2010, 05:29 PM

Oh I'm being deadly serious. Absolutely. I'm not cold - I'm simply of the mind that a Life for a Life is fair - call it all things being equal.

Seeing as this country doesn't allow the death penalty: I'll make do with those who do inflict such crimes on others, the fear of waking up every day - terrified of what's going to hit them next. If it was a family member: not good, but it wouldn't change my mind. I wouldn't like it but that's the way it goes: not that it would happen seeing that the Death Penalty is illegal here.

I have no problem with that at all and I sleep very well at night.

Where have I 'made out' that these things have not happened from the dawn of time? I didn't - stop making things up.

You're just one of those typical bull headed type people who don't really think about what they're saying and thinks their opinion is fact. A little nickname for your type is 'foamer'.

Anyway, we're going off topic.

Pyramid*

28-12-2010, 05:32 PM

You're just one of those typical bull headed type people who don't really think about what they're saying and thinks their opinion is fact. A little nickname for your type is 'foamer'.

Anyway, we're going off topic.

I think I've had plenty of years behind me InOne to determine what I think and don't think before I say anything, had quite sometime behind me to help me come to my own decisions without even 'having to think about it' - and you can take it as 'red' - I mean what I say - no foaming at mouth required - just hard hitting.

Okay... back on topic whereby we agreed to disagree.:blush:

InOne

28-12-2010, 09:14 PM

They should bring back hanging.

No.

InOne

28-12-2010, 09:16 PM

Yes.

Nada.

arista

28-12-2010, 09:16 PM

They should bring back hanging.

What
over this Murder of this 25 year old?

MTVN

28-12-2010, 10:03 PM

They should bring back hanging.

Yes because the correct punishment for killing someone is to umm.. kill someone right?

Pyramid*

28-12-2010, 10:10 PM

Yes because the correct punishment for killing someone is to umm.. kill someone right?

Clearly it's a matter of very divided opinion and I understand why some are so very much against the death penalty.

but in my book: I grudge every single penny of my hard earned salary - and the division in my tax contributions that keeps these people in prison, being fed, having a roof over their heads, being kept warm, clothed, educated, given access to a range of facilities that many people cannot afford - never needing to worry about paying bills, not having to worry if they have enough money to put food on the table, when there are decent hard working honest people who are out working long hard hours for minimum wages, doing an honest days work, with the worries of the world on their shoulders.

Like I say, I can understand why some feel it's barbaric, - but not in my book.

Angus

28-12-2010, 10:12 PM

Yes because the correct punishment for killing someone is to umm.. kill someone right?

So the correct punishment is the life of riley at the tax payers' expense in HM hotel (sorry Prison), where the murderer often gets to serve only half their sentence?:rolleyes: If the crime was truly appalling, for example child rape and murder, the killer can expect to be released with the full integrated support of all the relevant authorities, offered a new home and a new identity and every care taken that his or her human rights are not violated in any way. God forbid that we should be outraged that such scum are allowed these privileges having deprived another human being of their life.:bored:

InOne

28-12-2010, 10:14 PM

Oh here we go...

MTVN

28-12-2010, 10:23 PM

MTVN

28-12-2010, 10:25 PM

Yes because it stops them doing it again and saves the state money, plus it also frees up valuable prison space.

Any more questions?

It might stop that particular person from killing again but it has been shown that the death penalty is not an effective deterrent. And anyway, who's to say that every murderer will kill again?

And it may be of economic benefit, but hey it would also be economically beneficial to kill old people, doesnt make it right

MTVN

28-12-2010, 10:25 PM

Oh here we go...

Sorry :laugh:

InOne

28-12-2010, 10:29 PM

Sorry :laugh:

No not you lol The foamers going on about capital punishments with no valid reasons

MTVN

28-12-2010, 10:31 PM

No not you lol The foamers going on about capital punishments with no valid reasons

Oh right, thought it was cos I made that first post which pyramid and angus replied to :p

I remember this same debate going on for 20-odd pages or something on another thread

InOne

28-12-2010, 10:33 PM

Oh right, thought it was cos I made that first post which pyramid and angus replied to :p

I remember this same debate going on for 20-odd pages or something on another thread

Yeah lol I'd just be using the same arguments so can't be bothered getting into it

Pyramid*

28-12-2010, 10:33 PM

Well God forbid we treat prisoners as human beings, give them a meal every now and then and stop them being lynched by vigilante idiots once they have served their sentance and paid their debt to society.

They lost the right to be classed as human beings when they take another person's life.

Paid their debt to society? How do they pay that debt exactly? By having their every basic need attended to for years in prison? What about the debt of one life that is owed to the family of the person who's life they took away - as well as the untold suffering the family of the victim suffer until they die?

InOne

28-12-2010, 10:36 PM

If someone killed a Paedophile cos they raped their daughter, do they deserve to die?

Pyramid*

28-12-2010, 10:37 PM

No not you lol The foamers going on about capital punishments with no valid reasons

Until you can add something constructive - why don't you give it a rest with your slagging off forum members - or is that as good as your discussion skills go? There are plenty of valid reasons that have been given. Fine if you don't agree, but quit with the sarcastic and very immature personal comments on people who are posting.

MTVN

28-12-2010, 10:38 PM

They lost the right to be classed as human beings when they take another person's life.

Paid their debt to society? How do they pay that debt exactly? By having their every basic need attended to for years in prison? What about the debt of one life that is owed to the family of the person who's life they took away - as well as the untold suffering the family of the victim suffer until they die?

I dont want to get into a big debate over this but the first line is merely subject to opinion, I disagree myself

And I believe that serving a life sentance is paying your debt to society, I dont think lives should be counted as debts or should be traded. My idea of a justice system is to have a mix of reformation and retribution, but I think if we resort to killing someone then we become no better than those we seek to punish, we simply have different motives

Pyramid*

28-12-2010, 10:38 PM

If someone killed a Paedophile cos they raped their daughter, do they deserve to die?

In case it has escaped your attention: the discussion was being based around those who took another person's life. Murder, not rape.

InOne

28-12-2010, 10:39 PM

Until you can add something constructive - why don't you give it a rest with your slagging off forum members - or is that as good as your discussion skills go? There are plenty of valid reasons that have been given. Fine if you don't agree, but quit with the sarcastic and very immature personal comments on people who are posting.

Nothing is personal, I don't even know you. I've seen the way you 'debate' anyway. I've been through this argument countless times with members, it's boring.

InOne

28-12-2010, 10:40 PM

In case it has escaped your attention: the discussion was being based around those who took another person's life. Murder, not rape.

Read what I said :bouncy:

Angus

28-12-2010, 10:43 PM

They lost the right to be classed as human beings when they take another person's life.

Paid their debt to society? How do they pay that debt exactly? By having their every basic need attended to for years in prison? What about the debt of one life that is owed to the family of the person who's life they took away - as well as the untold suffering the family of the victim suffer until they die?

Completely agree - how on earth anyone can seriously equate a few years in prison as sufficient punishment and redemption for taking another human being's LIFE is beyond me. No wonder society is down the plughole when you get mealy mouthed apologists telling the rest of us that murdering scum have "paid their debt to society"; murderers are hardly quaking in their boots for fear of any real retribution!

And for the record, YES I do resent even 1p of my taxes being spent to feed murderers, rapists and terrorists.

Pyramid*

28-12-2010, 10:44 PM

I dont want to get into a big debate over this but the first line is merely subject to opinion, I disagree myself

And I believe that serving a life sentance is paying your debt to society, I dont think lives should be counted as debts or should be traded. My idea of a justice system is to have a mix of reformation and retribution, but I think if we resort to killing someone then we become no better than those we seek to punish, we simply have different motives

You realise that in the UK, life sentence does not mean 'Life'.

I don't see why my taxes should be used to keep someone fed, clothed, put a roof over their head, et al - when they thought it acceptable to take another person's life. And then, once they've done their time: out they come, at the cost of millions, with new identities, given homes, kitted out, given jobs - again all at massive cost to the tax payer.

A life for a life. That's it in a nutshell. I'm not quite saying the vigilante route is the best - clearly and rationally it's not - but if true justice was served - there would be a quick end to it (and them).

Is my view an extreme one? Yes. Of course it is. But I still stand by it.

Pyramid*

28-12-2010, 10:49 PM

Read what I said :bouncy:

My sincere apologies to you. I see what you are getting at.

Truthfully - I'd say no, and I would say that due to the circumstances.... but I see precisely where you are coming from on that one. It's actually a very good point.

From where I'm coming: I mean someone who simply commits murder out of being evil.

MTVN

28-12-2010, 10:49 PM

You realise that in the UK, life sentence does not mean 'Life'.

I don't see why my taxes should be used to keep someone fed, clothed, put a roof over their head, et al - when they thought it acceptable to take another person's life. And then, once they've done their time: out they come, at the cost of millions, with new identities, given homes, kitted out, given jobs - again all at massive cost to the tax payer.

A life for a life. That's it in a nutshell. I'm not quite saying the vigilante route is the best - clearly and rationally it's not - but if true justice was served - there would be a quick end to it (and them).

Is my view an extreme one? Yes. Of course it is. But I still stand by it.

Hate to be cliched and quote Ghandi but "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" :whistle:

And I do realise "life" doesnt mean life thankyou, I'm not an idiot

Pyramid*

28-12-2010, 10:50 PM

Nothing is personal, I don't even know you. I've seen the way you 'debate' anyway. I've been through this argument countless times with members, it's boring.

Oh I don't mind debates and heated ones at that. It does piss me off that it gets derailed though because it all gets into personal slagging matches - that's more where I was coming from - rather than the subject matter in hand being discussed.

InOne

28-12-2010, 10:51 PM

My sincere apologies to you. I see what you are getting at.

Truthfully - I'd say no, and I would say that due to the circumstances.... but I see precisely where you are coming from on that one. It's actually a very good point.

From where I'm coming: I mean someone who simply commits murder out of being evil.

Some Travis Bickle type might get some sadistic pleasure out of something like that, and that is wrong in itself. Society can't be do or die cos in some cases they could get it wrong. And if you're wrongly accused you'll have that label on you no matter what.

Pyramid*

28-12-2010, 10:55 PM

Hate to be cliched and quote Ghandi but "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" :whistle:

And I do realise "life" doesnt mean life thankyou, I'm not an idiot

Hate to be cliched and quote the Bible but "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth". (and yes, the same Bible that quotes, "Forgiveness" blah blah blah).

No need for you to get all uppity, I didn't suggest you were an idiot. A great many people are under the misconception that Life means quite literally, 'Life behind bars'.

spitfire

28-12-2010, 10:57 PM

There's something not right about this whole case.
Hundred's of people go missing every year and never get as much media attention as this.
I think the full facts are being withheld.

InOne

28-12-2010, 10:57 PM

"An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" means you look out for one another, not that you seek revenge. It's a primitive version of the golden rule.

Pyramid*

28-12-2010, 10:58 PM

Some Travis Bickle type might get some sadistic pleasure out of something like that, and that is wrong in itself. Society can't be do or die cos in some cases they could get it wrong. And if you're wrongly accused you'll have that label on you no matter what.

Oh I agree in that it has to be 100% certain - I do completely and utterly agree there must be no room for doubt.

As for being wrongly accused, that unfortunately is a fact of life: and it applies to any form of criminality and being accused - whether it be shoplifting, rape or murder.

Pyramid*

28-12-2010, 11:00 PM

"An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" means you look out for one another, not that you seek revenge. It's a primitive version of the golden rule.

It is down to personal interpretation.

InOne

28-12-2010, 11:00 PM

There's something not right about this whole case.
Hundred's of people go missing every year and never get as much media attention as this.
I think the full facts are being withheld.

Exactly, something very odd. Little bits just seem to leak now and then.

InOne

28-12-2010, 11:01 PM

It is down to personal interpretation.

Well most people have it wrong then

MTVN

28-12-2010, 11:04 PM

Hate to be cliched and quote the Bible but "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth". (and yes, the same Bible that quotes, "Forgiveness" blah blah blah).

No need for you to get all uppity, I didn't suggest you were an idiot. A great many people are under the misconception that Life means quite literally, 'Life behind bars'.

Do you know the whole of that quote? Jesus says "You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth'. But I say to you, do not resist an evildoer. If anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also."

Pyramid*

28-12-2010, 11:17 PM

Exactly, something very odd. Little bits just seem to leak now and then.

What I don't get is..... those who know the area, live there, walk past where her body was .... all of them are saying that if the body had been there for days, that it would have been noticed. People who actually walked past the spot where her body was found have said there is no way that it had been there.

There does seem to be something 'not quite right'.

InOne. You didn't write the bible, so you are like everyone else - you've got your interpretation, I've got mine - you don't know with any more certainty that the 'most' that you mention are either right or wrong.

arista

28-12-2010, 11:18 PM

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2010/Dec/Week4/15873935.jpg

yes she may have known her killer

Pyramid*

28-12-2010, 11:22 PM

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2010/Dec/Week4/15873935.jpg

yes she may have known her killer

Given that it was reported that she left her purse, handbag, phone etc in the flat - and left the flat..... I'd say it was a safe bet she knew who it was.

Pretty damning for the boyfriend that he wasn't in town at the time though - rightly or wrongly - it was one hell of a coincedence all the same, great alibi for him (if.... only if). Either way: it's one ****ty position for him to be in.

spitfire

28-12-2010, 11:33 PM

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2010/Dec/Week4/15873935.jpg

yes she may have known her killer

I think that she probably knew the killer. She left early from a pub party,bought food on the way home (a large pizza, enough for two) and additional alcohol. Did she have a secret visitor in her boyfriend's absence?The lack of obvious injury suggests that she didn't put up a fight. Her valuables were not taken so the motive was obviously not robbery.I will be interested to learn if traces of semen are found on her body.
And before anyone starts raging,no I'm not stating anything definite or attacking a dead woman..just conjecturing,in the age of Facebook stranger things have happened.

Angus

28-12-2010, 11:39 PM

Pyramid*

29-12-2010, 12:16 AM

There's also the possibility that she was followed home and abducted from her own home. Her boyfriend had apparently been visiting his family, so surely that can easily be checked out. Forensics will be able to determine exactly when she was killed and no doubt if there is anyone else's DNA on her. She was missing for a week, and her body apparently only placed in its final location just before it was found, so where was she for that week?

'We believe Joanna's body had been there for several days before being discovered on Christmas morning.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1342172/Joanna-Yeates-strangled-say-police-launch-formal-murder-investigation.html#ixzz19SHFZPv4

This is what I find strange. The stories keep changing.....

Angus

29-12-2010, 07:27 AM

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1342172/Joanna-Yeates-strangled-say-police-launch-formal-murder-investigation.html#ixzz19SHFZPv4

This is what I find strange. The stories keep changing.....

Possibly she may have been dead some days, but it is inconceivable that nobody spotted her body if it had been there for several days:confused:

InOne

29-12-2010, 08:48 AM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12087020

Some weird statements in this as well

Pyramid*

29-12-2010, 09:10 AM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12087020

Some weird statements in this as well

The comment the father (I think it was) made about the police knowing more than they were telling them - it's not surprising, especially when they are considering that Joanna knew her killer - if so, there is a strong chance that the parent may also know the killer, and the police simply don't want any important info they have getting back to the person responsible.

I still find it bizarre in the extreme that police are sticking by their theory that the body lay there for several days before being found..... when several locals have said that there if that was the case, it would have been spotted, that they (the locals who passed the same spot every day) would have seen it - that it wouldn't have gone unnoticed. That's a strange one.

arista

29-12-2010, 09:18 AM

Some weird statements in this as well

What is Weird?

arista

29-12-2010, 10:33 AM

SkyNews has found out
that the Landlord saw her leave the Flat with 2 People on Dec17th.

Those 2 people need to come forward
or they are part of the kill.

InOne

29-12-2010, 12:04 PM

So the plot thickens, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Angus

29-12-2010, 12:32 PM

SkyNews has found out
that the Landlord saw her leave the Flat with 2 People on Dec17th.

Those 2 people need to come forward
or they are part of the kill.

So the Landlord is resident at the same building? - it's possible he could be a suspect because she would have known him, and it would be convenient for him to state he saw her with these 2 people.

InOne

29-12-2010, 12:36 PM

Bit odd for the landlord to suddenly come forward now though :S

Unless they knew that before and only just released it.

Kazanne

29-12-2010, 12:36 PM

Cold bloodied killers ,premeditated killers and serial killers ,people who get pleasure by causing another pain should die imo.

InOne

29-12-2010, 12:40 PM

Cold bloodied killers ,premeditated killers and serial killers ,people who get pleasure by causing another pain should die imo.

They are often quite hard to detect, and sometimes hard to catch.

Jords

30-12-2010, 01:11 AM

Poor girl!

Callum

30-12-2010, 08:32 AM

Her landlord has just been arrested on suspicion of murder

arista

30-12-2010, 08:41 AM

Her landlord has just been arrested on suspicion of murder

Yes well Shifty bloke,
Of Course after a while they may let him go if her did not do it.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/12/30/article-1342427-0C9A11FA000005DC-276_306x840.jpg

Angus

30-12-2010, 08:45 AM

Her landlord has just been arrested on suspicion of murder

Lol, he's been my suspect ever since I found out he was resident and had made a vague statement about seeing her with 2 other people so it's no surprise to me. It had to be someone she knew and who would have known she would be alone.

InOne

30-12-2010, 08:47 AM

Seems a bit obvious it would be the creepy old landlord, but meh, who knows.

arista

30-12-2010, 08:47 AM

Lol, he's been my suspect ever since I found out he was resident and had made a vague statement about seeing her with 2 other people. It had to be someone she knew and who would have known she would be alone.

Bachelor Chris Jefferies, 65,

arista

30-12-2010, 08:49 AM

Seems a bit obvious it would be the creepy old landlord, but meh, who knows.

You would think
she could kick him off,
But the stare and gripped hands can be a shock.

InOne

30-12-2010, 08:52 AM

You would think
she could kick him off,
But the stare and gripped hands can be a shock.

Was she strangled by hands or a rope or something?

arista

30-12-2010, 09:01 AM

Was she strangled by hands or a rope or something?

A Rope
thats nasty.

They have 96 hours to charge him.

Callum

30-12-2010, 09:07 AM

Apparently he's in the neigbourhood watch

arista

30-12-2010, 10:08 AM

Apparently he's in the neigbourhood watch

Yes able to cover up things.

Marc

30-12-2010, 10:38 AM

This is sad :(

I think it was in the media a lot because it was around christmas and it's such a horrible thing to happen to any family around this time of the year. Stop being cynical people.

Angus

30-12-2010, 11:01 AM

This is sad :(

I think it was in the media a lot because it was around christmas and it's such a horrible thing to happen to any family around this time of the year. Stop being cynical people.

I think you'll find it's just the usual suspects being cynical.

I can't imagine what her parents must be going through to lose a child in such a horrible way. I just hope the Police have got the right person so that justice can be served and some sort of closure is possible for the family.

InOne

30-12-2010, 11:09 AM

A Rope
thats nasty.

They have 96 hours to charge him.

My guess is he's probs killed before then if it's him. You don't just kill someone like that randomly at the age of 65

Novo

30-12-2010, 11:32 AM

Yes well Shifty bloke,
Of Course after a while they may let him go if her did not do it.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/12/30/article-1342427-0C9A11FA000005DC-276_306x840.jpg

Looks like a librarian or a mad professor

TyfLpMbqkgs

1:15 - 1:31

He is so calm when getting interviewed he is either very good at acting or just an Innocent old man

I would be very suprised if he was the murderer to be honest

Pyramid*

30-12-2010, 11:39 AM

He is so calm when getting interviewed he is either very good at acting or just an Innocent old man

I would be very suprised if he was the murderer to be honest

Ian Huntley was the same.... Mr Innocent Act.... and we all know what happened there. Mr Innocent wasn't ...

Angus

30-12-2010, 11:56 AM

Ian Huntley was the same.... Mr Innocent Act.... and we all know what happened there. Mr Innocent wasn't ...

Most psychopaths are seasoned and practised liars and have no trouble presenting a calm demeanour under pressure. There are apparently similarities between this young woman's murder and that of another some years back, and possibly others who are still missing, so who knows? Perhaps they've found a serial killer in this seemingly innocent looking pensioner.

Surely a staple requisite of any self respecting serial killer is to be able to appear completely normal and harmless in order to get close to their victims? Look at the likes of Fred West, Myra Hindley and, as you say, Ian Huntley.

Marc

30-12-2010, 12:08 PM

He looks so freaky!

Pyramid*

30-12-2010, 12:13 PM

Most psychopaths are seasoned and practised liars and have no trouble presenting a calm demeanour under pressure. There are apparently similarities between this young woman's murder and that of another some years back, and possibly others who are still missing, so who knows? Perhaps they've found a serial killer in this seemingly innocent looking pensioner.

Surely a staple requisite of any self respecting serial killer is to be able to appear completely normal and harmless in order to get close to their victims? Look at the likes of Fred West, Myra Hindley and, as you say, Ian Huntley.

Yep, sociopathy/psychopathy - studied it years ago - not all are serial killers mind you, although I have to agree in that I wouldn't be surprised if this man has struck before. As InOne said, most 65 year old pensioners don't usually randomly murder on a 'one of' notion - this will be an interesting case to follow.

__________________________________________________ _______________________________________________
InOne... is your view still the same as when you originally posted (below) ? Genuine question btw, and not a swipe!

So this has been dominating the news, buit would she get this much attention if she wasn't good looking and in a decent job? The media is so fickle

arista

30-12-2010, 03:50 PM

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/12/30/article-1342688-0C9B80DC000005DC-144_634x432.jpg

The creepy landlords Car is taken away
to be checked inch by inch.

InOne

30-12-2010, 04:19 PM

Yep, sociopathy/psychopathy - studied it years ago - not all are serial killers mind you, although I have to agree in that I wouldn't be surprised if this man has struck before. As InOne said, most 65 year old pensioners don't usually randomly murder on a 'one of' notion - this will be an interesting case to follow.

__________________________________________________ _______________________________________________
InOne... is your view still the same as when you originally posted (below) ? Genuine question btw, and not a swipe!

Dunno really, cos it could turn out the guy is a serial killer and the police knew it all along, as to why it made headlines. I just thought there was always something funny about it.

Pyramid*

30-12-2010, 04:36 PM

Dunno really, cos it could turn out the guy is a serial killer and the police knew it all along, as to why it made headlines. I just thought there was always something funny about it.

You've changed your mind then....in that you don't think they were being fickle - and running with the story because she was 'pretty' and had a decent job?

I think in all honestly, when the media run with stories like this, that they do have access to info which is agreed by both parties to be 'embargoed' due to the nature of the investigations: and that the police and press work very closely in an effort to get to the truth of the matter - ie: catch the person responsible.

InOne

30-12-2010, 04:40 PM

You've changed your mind then....in that you don't think they were being fickle - and running with the story because she was 'pretty' and had a decent job?

I think in all honestly, when the media run with stories like this, that they do have access to info which is agreed by both parties to be 'embargoed' due to the nature of the investigations: and that the police and press work very closely in an effort to get to the truth of the matter - ie: catch the person responsible.

They are being fickle in a sense. Everyone loves a poor innocent girl being strangled and raped by a serial killer story don't they. Why do you think people remember serial killers and not the victims

Novo

30-12-2010, 04:45 PM

http://www.littlebritainfans.com/images/Character14.jpg

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/50615000/jpg/_50615669_50612234.jpg

Marc

30-12-2010, 04:49 PM

^

:o

Pyramid*

30-12-2010, 05:06 PM

They are being fickle in a sense. Everyone loves a poor innocent girl being strangled and raped by a serial killer story don't they. Why do you think people remember serial killers and not the victims

ERmmmm...because serial killers are in the minority - ie: out of the ordinary and unusual.

Nah, I still disagree that they were being fickle. When there were deaths years ago in Glasgow, of prostitutes - hardly the most glamourous of types or profession - when it was in it's early stages, the media gave it as much attention.

I still think it was simply initially a missing girl hunt, that had too many things 'not quite right' (ie: her keys, purse, phone etc all being in the house) for it to be simply a missing person...... I reckon the cops had a pretty good idea that it wasn't a missing person they were going to find, but a body.

Anyhoooo..... it'll be interesting to see how it all develops. Poor family though.

InOne

30-12-2010, 05:08 PM

We must solve this case in this thread before it's revealed, it's our mission

arista

30-12-2010, 05:26 PM

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/12/30/article-1342688-0C9B80B0000005DC-957_634x364.jpg

Why so many maps from his Car , the police removed
how many others has he had.

After the 96 hours they have to let him go or charge him

InOne

30-12-2010, 05:34 PM

Right so now we have all this, but I bet if a kid was murdered tomorrow, this would totally vanish from the headlines and only end up on the Bristol news. It's the way it works. Like when those shooting happened a few days apart

Novo

30-12-2010, 05:36 PM

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/50615000/jpg/_50615669_50612234.jpg

This man is Innocent!

arista

30-12-2010, 05:54 PM

This man is Innocent!

Are You Sure?

Novo

30-12-2010, 05:56 PM

The poor guy doesn't even look strong enough to strangle a fly

arista

30-12-2010, 06:01 PM

The poor guy doesn't even look strong enough to strangle a fly

A party guest at a home opposite said she heard screams coming from the direction of the flat at around the time Mr Jefferies claimed he saw her

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1342688/Joanna-Yeates-landlord-Chris-Jefferies-car-seized-arrest-suspicion-murder.html#ixzz19cS9hbWu

arista

30-12-2010, 06:03 PM

The poor guy doesn't even look strong enough to strangle a fly

maybe thats how he gets it Up

Pyramid*

30-12-2010, 06:08 PM

We must solve this case in this thread before it's revealed, it's our mission

I like your vision and your mission!

Right so now we have all this, but I bet if a kid was murdered tomorrow, this would totally vanish from the headlines and only end up on the Bristol news. It's the way it works. Like when those shooting happened a few days apart

I honestly don't think it would disappear - clearly any murdered kiddie (god forbid) story would take precedence I'm sure, but I do think this would still be high on the headlines.

The woman who was at the party 'across the way' who heard screams about 9pm - can you imagine how she must be feeling ? Not at all that there is anything for her to feel bad about, but I think it's human nature to consider, "What if I'd have done something".

When I was younger - If I let out a scream and it wasn't done for good reason (ie: being in danger etc), I got thumped by my father for it..... and it's something I notice these days: younger ones scream and screech at the top of their voices outside that it no longer signifies a cry for help.

Jords

30-12-2010, 06:23 PM

Looks like an old perv n'all o.o

Artificial Snow

30-12-2010, 07:10 PM

I don't have to look up any cases. I think they are quite right to go 'heavy at it' when it comes to children. I do - because we know live in a society whereby there are so many sick bastards out there who do the most appalling things to very young and defenceless children: to their own flesh and blood, who torture,maim, and treat in the most goddawful way, causing untold suffering.

I personally prefer to know what sort of sick bastards are out there, what evil they dished out.. why? Because those responsible for it need to feel just a little what it's like to live in complete and utter fear and terror:- and I hope they live a long life suffering and being terrified of who is going to attack them next, who is goign to harm them next.

I'm in the 'eye for an eye' brigade. None of this 'forgiveness' crap for me, thanks very much. Forgiving doesn't bring back a young child's life - or anyone elses for that matter: but I'm homing in on the young child as that's what your aiming at .

That's it. Rant over.

Hi,

I just joined to say I absolutely despise people like you. Do you by any chance work for or read the Daily Mail? You have the sort of mentality projected by this sensationalist, hateful tabloid. You're so narrow minded it's not funny. Next thing you'll be rallying up all your cronies with pitchforks to persecute all the killer paedophile, rapists and cannabis-induced psychotic people you can find.

You're a disgrace.

Artificial Snow

30-12-2010, 07:17 PM

Oh and to the people that think that this guy must be a pervert because of his appearance, please try and avoid having preconceived ideas like this. He is innocent until proven guilty. We simply do not know all the facts yet. He could very well be innocent.

By the way, hello everyone. This forum looks cool.

Artificial Snow

30-12-2010, 08:10 PM

Pyramid*

30-12-2010, 08:19 PM

Funny it's you, the one I criticised, who is calling troll.

The only reason you're calling me a troll is because it deflects the argument I made.

The fact remains, your views are so congruent with those touted repeatedly in the Daily Hatemail. You seem to be unable to understand how these tabloids operate, probably because they've brainwashed you with their drivel.

Ahhh..... poor Artificial snow - can't actually make comment on the thread but goes about attacking forum members posts just because you disagree !! Tough luck - I've got my opinion and I'll stick to it. I really don't give a flying fig what you think - about my opinions or indeed me: you are merely some sad wee soul who joined a forum for what..... to say you don't like someone. Great stuff, that's really 'big' of you.

Now.... you wouldn't happen to care to actually contribute to the thread subject as it has evolved somewhat over the past few days?

lostalex

30-12-2010, 08:37 PM

Does a white majority country with a white majority press, focus on a majority of white victim crime? yes.

Is that wrong? i dunno.

Is the press opportunistic and sensationalist? yes.

Zippy

30-12-2010, 09:34 PM

Yes well Shifty bloke,
Of Course after a while they may let him go if her did not do it.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/12/30/article-1342427-0C9A11FA000005DC-276_306x840.jpg

He looks like a retired old ******. Can't imagine he attacked her for sexual reasons. Maybe she was behind with rent or something?

Of course, he could be entirely innocent. :)

Pyramid*

30-12-2010, 10:14 PM

He looks like a retired old ******. Can't imagine he attacked her for sexual reasons. Maybe she was behind with rent or something?

Of course, he could be entirely innocent. :)

There's a part of me that thinks he isn't the guy. Sure he looks a bit odd, but I'm not so sure it is him....... guess we'll find out soon enough though.

keithafc

30-12-2010, 11:36 PM

I bet it was the dad who did it(just putting it out there..). He didn't want her daughter back, he wanted his daughters body back...

Pyramid*

31-12-2010, 07:33 AM

I bet it was the dad who did it(just putting it out there..). He didn't want her daughter back, he wanted his daughters body back...

I'm not entirely sure this is a situation that merits having the piss taken out of it. Just putting it out there.....

I hadn't realised that the police had taken two vehicles away:-

Sky reported that two cars have been taken away by police - one, the Chrysler, was described as belonging to Mr Jeffries - the report did not say to whom the second, a Volvo, belonged.

Having seen the clip of the Landlord telling reporters that what he had said to police had been very distorted - it's interesting to see this snippet from Sky News:-

Sky News' crime correspondent Martin Brunt, in Bristol, said that after Jefferies had spoken to Sky News there were questions surrounding his claim.

"I think he first told neighbours that he thought he had seen Miss Yeates leaving with two people before he spoke to the police, but when we spoke to him he seemed rather vague about the details," he said.
"It then became a bit of mystery and it almost was a case of things not adding up."

The man apparently said to neighbours that he thought. The Sky reporter reports that he (the reporter), 'thinks' he first told neighbours. The reporter is basing his report on suppositions.

Given that Mr Jeffries clearly is very educated as far as the English language and its usage is concerned, given that it is his forte - he would be very aware of his wording, it's context, the delivery etc, and most likely, would be very precise about the wording he used - makes me wonder if they are all barking up the wrong tree with this guy. The plot thickens.....

InOne

31-12-2010, 08:02 AM

Well we'll find out today if he will be charged or not. My guess is no...

Angus

31-12-2010, 08:19 AM

Either the Landlord told the neighbours he thought he had seen two people with Joanna on the 17th or he didn't. Which is it? If he is now denying he said anything, then the neighbours and/or the reporter are prevaricating. If he did say he saw her with 2 people it begs the question what are the police doing to trace them, and why haven't they come forward themselves to be eliminated?

Unless of course he is lying, in which case it begs the question why did he lie if not to throw suspicion on someone else?

InOne

31-12-2010, 08:24 AM

He might be one of those who gets a thrill from being in the spotlight, so plays sick games with the police.

Pyramid*

31-12-2010, 08:27 AM

Does a white majority country with a white majority press, focus on a majority of white victim crime? yes.

Is that wrong? i dunno.

Is the press opportunistic and sensationalist? yes.

I think you might just have answered that question on another level: given your comments about a 'white majority county' - it's fair to say that the majority of press coverage will be about that same 'white majority' - you know, in the same way that it is a 'white man' who is currently being investigated in connection with this murder. Would you feel it to be more balanced if a black man was being questioned as a possible suspect? I doubt it.

Of course more news will be around white people - for exactly the reason you gave, the majority of people in this country ARE white. or are you suggesting that this story shouldn't be given coverage because Joanna wasn't black?

InOne

31-12-2010, 08:30 AM

Pyramid*

31-12-2010, 08:37 AM

Well we'll find out today if he will be charged or not. My guess is no...

I don't think he will be charged. I'll be surprised if he is (going on the scant information that the public will be privy to).

Either the Landlord told the neighbours he thought he had seen two people with Joanna on the 17th or he didn't. Which is it? If he is now denying he said anything, then the neighbours and/or the reporter are prevaricating. If he did say he saw her with 2 people it begs the question what are the police doing to trace them, and why haven't they come forward themselves to be eliminated?

Unless of course he is lying, in which case it begs the question why did he lie if not to throw suspicion on someone else?

Without going back and checking on articles: I recall reading that he had said he saw Joanna leaving the flat with 2 people but couldn't distinguish if they were male or female. I also read in another report that it was 3 people. That's what isn't sitting well with me - the reports aren't consistent - is that the fault of bad reporting - or false reporting?

As you say, what is being done to trace these persons? (if of course, they even existed...... as you say, he could be lying).

It could also be the case that the police want to identify someone as a suspect quickly - and this 'very eccentric, oddball man' who possibly happened to perhaps be the last person to see Joanna - would seem to fit the bill....it's not the first time the police have wanted a case solved, and quickly - and targetted the wrong person. (I'm thinking back to the McCann case and of the British Man who was persecuted beyond belief.... different scenario altogether, but just as a loose example)

He might be one of those who gets a thrill from being in the spotlight, so plays sick games with the police.

I think if that was the case - ref the thrill of being in the spotlight - he'd not have taken the, "My previous communications have been very, very distorted so I have no comment to make" statement. I'm not entirely sure I'm with you on that train of thought.

InOne

31-12-2010, 08:42 AM

I don't think he will be charged. I'll be surprised if he is (going on the scant information that the public will be privy to).

Without going back and checking on articles: I recall reading that he had said he saw Joanna leaving the flat with 2 people but couldn't distinguish if they were male or female. I also read in another report that it was 3 people. That's what isn't sitting well with me - the reports aren't consistent - is that the fault of bad reporting - or false reporting?

As you say, what is being done to trace these persons? (if of course, they even existed...... as you say, he could be lying).

It could also be the case that the police want to identify someone as a suspect quickly - and this 'very eccentric, oddball man' who possibly happened to perhaps be the last person to see Joanna - would seem to fit the bill....it's not the first time the police have wanted a case solved, and quickly - and targetted the wrong person. (I'm thinking back to the McCann case and of the British Man who was persecuted beyond belief.... different scenario altogether, but just as a loose example)

I think if that was the case - ref the thrill of being in the spotlight - he'd not have taken the, "My previous communications have been very, very distorted so I have no comment to make" statement. I'm not entirely sure I'm with you on that train of thought.

Well the tale is not quite over yet, god knows what he'll say in the final hours they have him. But it is looking like he'll walk and it will be all up in the air again.

Pyramid*

31-12-2010, 08:43 AM

Same goes with class. Maddie came from a middle class family and got loads of coverage. Whilst Shannon Matthews came from a working class family and didn't get nearly enough. Shannons turned out to be 10x more horrific and sinister as well.

Oh I don't agree with that - the Shannon Mattews story was in every media outlet there is - reporters were crawling all over the place for a long time - I recall repeated and numerous interviews at the parents home, at community centre within the area she lived, with neighbours, friends, fund raising events for rewards and all sorts of stuff being covered. That was given massive media coverage.

In fact, IIRC, there was a high degree of criticism being thrown around because the parents were being 'viewed' in a less than sympathetic light - and that was being skewed as due to them being from the poorer side of society - when in fact, it turned out to be the correct view being taken. Remember all the pornographic images found on the 'husbands' pc, of all the holes in the story from the mother, all the questionmarks - yet the police took a bashing for not trying to find the person responsible, for not trying to find Shannon - when in fact, they were right to home in on the parents - as they were in fact the 'abducters', the mother was responsible, and I'm quite sure the police knew they weren't looking for a body very early on. Sometimes it's not until we see the full picture, that reasons which seemed odd at the time, become crystal clear.

arista

31-12-2010, 08:51 AM

He might be one of those who gets a thrill from being in the spotlight, so plays sick games with the police.

So long as the Police
are still Looking for the Killer of her

Pyramid*

31-12-2010, 08:52 AM

Well the tale is not quite over yet, god knows what he'll say in the final hours they have him. But it is looking like he'll walk and it will be all up in the air again.

Off the cuff - don't go looking - but are you aware of the time frame - by what time they have to charge him today?

Pyramid*

31-12-2010, 08:57 AM

So long as the Police
are still Looking for the Killer of her

Interesting point - if they are holding out on it being Mr Jeffries and turns out it's not, the killer will have had more time to cover up any possible tracks.

Like I say, I'm not entirely convinced (on the very little info the public have been given so far), that this Mr Jeffries is the killer. But as I said earlier: perhaps more will come out if he is charged, information that's not beneficial to be given public airing at this point in time.

InOne

31-12-2010, 08:59 AM

Oh I don't agree with that - the Shannon Mattews story was in every media outlet there is - reporters were crawling all over the place for a long time - I recall repeated and numerous interviews at the parents home, at community centre within the area she lived, with neighbours, friends, fund raising events for rewards and all sorts of stuff being covered. That was given massive media coverage.

In fact, IIRC, there was a high degree of criticism being thrown around because the parents were being 'viewed' in a less than sympathetic light - and that was being skewed as due to them being from the poorer side of society - when in fact, it turned out to be the correct view being taken. Remember all the pornographic images found on the 'husbands' pc, of all the holes in the story from the mother, all the questionmarks - yet the police took a bashing for not trying to find the person responsible, for not trying to find Shannon - when in fact, they were right to home in on the parents - as they were in fact the 'abducters', the mother was responsible, and I'm quite sure the police knew they weren't looking for a body very early on. Sometimes it's not until we see the full picture, that reasons which seemed odd at the time, become crystal clear.

Hmmm, I knew there was always doubt from the start about the case. Not sure I remember it dominating as you say, but maybe that's just me.

InOne

31-12-2010, 09:00 AM

Off the cuff - don't go looking - but are you aware of the time frame - by what time they have to charge him today?

Can't be too long now, not listened to an update for a bit cos I've been listening to music, but will soon.

Pyramid*

31-12-2010, 09:10 AM

Hmmm, I knew there was always doubt from the start about the case. Not sure I remember it dominating as you say, but maybe that's just me.

The thing that sticks in my mind about that quite early on was the mother sitting on the sofa at home with reporters filming her watching herself on the news and she grinning and laughing and making some flippant comment about her (the mum herself) being on telly. There were tons more things like that at the time - but when you think of the manpower and costs involved with that (not to mention all the support -financially and otherwise that neighbours and friends gave) - it was utterly appalling.

Found this snippet ref the time Mr Jeffries was arrested:

December 30
Police arrest Mr Jefferies at his flat at 7am on suspicion of murdering Joanna Yeates. He is taken to a police station for questioning.

That means it could be up to7pm this evening before we hear anything eh?

Angus

31-12-2010, 09:11 AM

Off the cuff - don't go looking - but are you aware of the time frame - by what time they have to charge him today?

I understand the usual time frame is 96 hours, then they either have to charge him or release him.

InOne

31-12-2010, 09:13 AM

The thing that sticks in my mind about that quite early on was the mother sitting on the sofa at home with reporters filming her watching herself on the news and she grinning and laughing and making some flippant comment about her (the mum herself) being on telly. There were tons more things like that at the time - but when you think of the manpower and costs involved with that (not to mention all the support -financially and otherwise that neighbours and friends gave) - it was utterly appalling.

Found this snippet ref the time Mr Jeffries was arrested:

Yep, and they both just laughed in the court, watched a doc about it and even Karens close friends knew there was something up with the way she was acting. Hope Shannon got good psychological help after all that :(

InOne

31-12-2010, 09:14 AM

And god, all day waiting :bored:

So we all agree he probs won't be charged?

Angus

31-12-2010, 09:21 AM

And god, all day waiting :bored:

So we all agree he probs won't be charged?

Not unless the police can find some firm evidence linking him to Joanna's disappearance - her dna in his flat or something. Am beginning to wonder whether this is one of those instances where he tried to be helpful by mentioning something he thought he saw, and this has been pounced on by the police to demonstrate they are doing something other than chasing their own backsides.

On the other hand, my money is still on him being involved if for no other reason than opportunity and timing. It could explain why there were no signs of a struggle at her flat, and why she might have left it without her bag etc, maybe thinking she was just popping out for a few minutes as she was not going too far.

I wonder whether the police are also searching neighbours' homes, especially any Joanna might have been friendly with.

Pyramid*

31-12-2010, 09:22 AM

Yep, and they both just laughed in the court, watched a doc about it and even Karens close friends knew there was something up with the way she was acting. Hope Shannon got good psychological help after all that :(
Pair of sickos. No other word for it. So much for motherly love eh. :mad:

I understand the usual time frame is 96 hours, then they either have to charge him or release him.
And god, all day waiting :bored:

So we all agree he probs won't be charged?

Inone: I wouldn't hold your breath....... !!
How long can you be held?

You cannot normally be held for more than 24 hours without being charged with a crime. However, for more serious offences, a police superintendent can extend that period to 36 hours. A court can extend it to 96 hours.

Angus

31-12-2010, 09:25 AM

Pair of sickos. No other word for it. So much for motherly love eh. :mad:

Inone: I wouldn't hold your breath....... !!
How long can you be held?

You cannot normally be held for more than 24 hours without being charged with a crime. However, for more serious offences, a police superintendent can extend that period to 36 hours. A court can extend it to 96 hours.

So the police must have asked for that extension since they had so much evidence to sift through?

InOne

31-12-2010, 09:27 AM

Well it's their only good lead, so they'll be pressing. The police will be gutted if nothing comes from it. I just think we would've heard something from all the searching and questioning if he was gonna be charged.

Pyramid*

31-12-2010, 09:29 AM

Not unless the police can find some firm evidence linking him to Joanna's disappearance - her dna in his flat or something. Am beginning to wonder whether this is one of those instances where he tried to be helpful by mentioning something he thought he saw, and this has been pounced on by the police to demonstrate they are doing something other than chasing their own backsides.

On the other hand, my money is still on him being involved if for no other reason than opportunity and timing. It could explain why there were no signs of a struggle at her flat, and why she might have left it without her bag etc, maybe thinking she was just popping out for a few minutes as she was not going too far.

I wonder whether the police are also searching neighbours' homes, especially any Joanna might have been friendly with.

I have to agree with your points - but the other thing to remember is: (a) the boyfriend was conveniently out of town - . he could also have involvment (look at Maxine Carr....covered up for a loved one at the time) - not a lot has been said about the boyfriend or his alibi.
(b) people who would have known Joanna and/or her boyfriend, could have been aware of him not being there that weekend also.

It's clearly been someone that Joanna felt safe with, enough to leave the house unlocked, with her purse etc lying around. The thing that gets me is - Mr Jeffries had access to their flat - so it would be reasonable to assume that evidence of him being there by way of any forensics - could be by innocent means.

Pyramid*

31-12-2010, 09:32 AM

So the police must have asked for that extension since they had so much evidence to sift through?
Certainly the 24hour holding time has passed, so we're into the 36 hours.# Edit: from the newspapers: This morning police were granted an extra 12 hours to continue questioning the 65-year-old.

It could be said that they have extended it as they have found so little evidence so far..... and don't want to let him go until they try to find some more.

Perhaps any evidence they may have found, is not enough to charge him with.

There is that possibility.

It's a case of having to wait till later on today/tonight by the looks of things....

Pyramid*

31-12-2010, 09:34 AM

And god, all day waiting :bored:

So we all agree he probs won't be charged?

Well it's their only good lead, so they'll be pressing. The police will be gutted if nothing comes from it. I just think we would've heard something from all the searching and questioning if he was gonna be charged.

Wont they

Will they

Won't they !

InOne

31-12-2010, 09:37 AM

:bouncy:

Pyramid*

31-12-2010, 09:44 AM

As interesting as all this is....... reality kicks in and I have things to attend to - not least, a hairdresser appointment to meet!

Catch up with the latest later on. Y'all be good now.:blush:

wee comment from a neighbour

Neighbours expressed their shock at his arrest. Oliver Cullen used to own two flats in the same building and has known the bachelor for many years.
“I don’t believe for one minute that Chris has done this,” he said. “He would not be physically capable for one thing. He only weighs about 11 stones. He would not have the strength to do something like that.
“He is a nice man. A bit vocal perhaps and certainly rather eccentric, but he was just an old-school teacher really.”

arista

31-12-2010, 12:08 PM

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/12/30/article-1342794-0C9C5D46000005DC-197_306x405.jpg
Police quiz 'nutty professor' with a blue rinse , when younger

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1342794/Joanna-Yeates-murder-Flat-landlord-Chris-Jefferies-searched-bags-evidence-removed.html#ixzz19grsAa5A

Pyramid*

31-12-2010, 01:33 PM

Police quiz 'nutty professor' with a blue rinse , when younger

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1342794/Joanna-Yeates-murder-Flat-landlord-Chris-Jefferies-searched-bags-evidence-removed.html#ixzz19grsAa5A (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1342794/Joanna-Yeates-murder-Flat-landlord-Chris-Jefferies-searched-bags-evidence-removed.html#ixzz19grsAa5A)

Oh No Arista. You don't read the Daily Mail do you....... :shocked::shocked:

:D

Here's what the telegraph has to say:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8232412/Joanna-Yeates-murder-suspect-Christopher-Jefferies-let-himself-into-tenants-flat.html

I have to laugh though at these 'former tenants' complaining about not being able to put up curtains / nets / landlord having keys / access etc - and then mentioning that it was in the lease agreements. If they were not happy with it at the time: why rent from the man in the first place?

Some years ago, I rented my house out and I had a clause in the contract that I could inspect the property at any time without prior notice as long as it was within reasonable hours - my tenants didn't have any issue with that. It certainly didn't put them off renting my property.

I can't help but feel it's a case of jumping on bandwagons.

arista

31-12-2010, 01:57 PM

"You don't read the Daily Mail "

No I read the Guardian
DM is best for Dramatic Pictures

arista

31-12-2010, 03:45 PM

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2010/Dec/Week4/15874951.jpg

Pyramid*

31-12-2010, 03:57 PM

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2010/Dec/Week4/15874951.jpg

sorry but I have to laugh at one of the 'headlines' here. Friend in jail for paedophile crimes.

I have a friend from years ago that I knew, who was sentenced to 18 years in jail for an (obviously) very serious related drug crime. Oddly enough: apart from a very occasional smoke now and then (and I mean lucky if it's half a dozen smokes a year) - it doesn't make me a drug baron!

Chris Jefferies’ tenants felt uneasy when they thought they spotted him peering into their flat and asked to put up net curtains.

Yesterday the couple, who asked not to be named

ie: in other words, they don't know for sure, they only 'thought...' , and don't want to be named in case they are talking a lot of bullsh!t and they're done for slander/libel. :rolleyes: (at the story...not you!)

InOne

31-12-2010, 04:00 PM

He will be tarnished for life now. Even if he didn't do it

Pyramid*

31-12-2010, 04:11 PM

He will be tarnished for life now. Even if he didn't do it

Unfortunately - yes, you are correct.

Novo

31-12-2010, 04:13 PM

He seems like an easy target for the Press, I wonder if they would be calling him a peeping tom if he didn't look the way he does

Pyramid*

31-12-2010, 04:23 PM

He seems like an easy target for the Press, I wonder if they would be calling him a peeping tom if he didn't look the way he does

I have to agree. He could of course be guilty - but he does seem to be an easy target as you say, through nothing more than being an eccentric and a little bit odd by way of appearance.

InOne

31-12-2010, 04:27 PM

Yep, if he looked like Brad Pitt or something he'd have loads of followers and flocks of girls proesting he's innocent. Although the Celebrity killer thing might be more an american trend. Like with Bundy and The Night Stalker

arista

31-12-2010, 04:37 PM

"and they're done for slander/libel. "

I think CJ has a Property abroad
if he is let go, it would be best for hin to leave the area.

Pyramid*

31-12-2010, 04:48 PM

"and they're done for slander/libel. "

I think CJ has a Property abroad
if he is let go, it would be best for hin to leave the area.

If he isn't charged - it would be a bloody disgrace that he would have to even consider such a thing - although, truth be told... you're probably right....as InOne mentioned, he'll be tarred now.

Would be awful if that was the case.

arista

31-12-2010, 05:04 PM

If he isn't charged - it would be a bloody disgrace that he would have to even consider such a thing - although, truth be told... you're probably right....as InOne mentioned, he'll be tarred now.

Would be awful if that was the case.

Yes well they are now saying he is helping them
as if to say , he will not be charged.

Yes he would be best to leave the Area for good.

Novo

31-12-2010, 05:07 PM

Yes well they are now saying he is helping them
as if to say , he will not be charged.

Yes he would be best to leave the Area for good.

where does it say that?

arista

31-12-2010, 05:17 PM

where does it say that?

Hinted on BBCNews

Angus

31-12-2010, 05:17 PM

where does it say that?

I think "helping them with their enquiries" is a blanket euphemism that covers all bases.

MTVN

31-12-2010, 05:29 PM

Pyramid*

31-12-2010, 05:33 PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12100015

"The attorney general is considering issuing a notice to remind the media that coverage of the arrest in the Jo Yeates murder inquiry must be fair."

I think he would be right to do so

Yep, there's a fair bit on here too about the A G's view:

http://www.channel4.com/news/joanna-yeates-murder-landlord-still-being-questioned

arista

31-12-2010, 11:34 PM

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2010/Dec/Week4/15875704.jpg

So CJ loves Death
scared the kids.

Pyramid*

01-01-2011, 10:25 AM

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2010/Dec/Week4/15875704.jpg

So CJ loves Death
scared the kids.

Again, all I call see here is a bit of 'sensationalism' in this particular article.

This part for instance:

He said pupils mostly tried to avoid Jefferies - but he and his classmates were once taken to the teacher's flat. He added: "We went for a book reading. I thought it was odd we went to his flat. To go to a master's house was very, very strange, but there was nothing more to it."

It starts by saying pupils mostly tried to avoid the man...... tried to avoid him so much that they accepted an invite to his flat for a book reading :rolleyes:- that's the first thing. The comment initially states, they were, 'taken to the teacher's flat'. No.. they weren't 'taken'. They went of their own volition.

The second thing is the comment about going to a Master's house being very very strange. What bollocks..... I went to private school as a boarder - and a 'select few senior pupils' were invited to our English Master's flat for dinner now and then, partly to discuss studies we all shared a love for at the time and partly it also served to learn social etiquette applied at formal dinner parties. Outside of the perverted world: it's called dedication from all concerned, as well as being treated like an adult.

That aside: the fact the police have had to request a 2nd extension tells me that anything they may have 'on him', certainly hasn't been enough to charge him .... or to the extent that when it came to a court case, it might not be enough to convince a jury he was guilty.

They are either having a hard time getting enough evidence to secure a conviction - or as Angus58 suggested earlier, they are wanting to gather more than enough to ensure the case is watertight.

At this stage, I really still am having doubts that this man is guilty.

InOne

01-01-2011, 10:32 AM

See, that is why these papers are bollocks, just have these silly stories and no actual facts!!!

Pyramid*

01-01-2011, 10:39 AM

See, that is why these papers are bollocks, just have these silly stories and no actual facts!!!

Let's be honest: very few of the 'papers' will report the facts - mostly because at this stage, they don't really know the facts - or rather, any facts they have at this point are scant to say the least - and most likely - neither do the police have anything incredibly significant or conclusive (or otherwise, they'd have released or charged the man by now).

I guess this is precisely the type of thing the Attorney General meant in respect of telling the media to effectively, "Get a grip"....

Whatever way.... the man has probably had the worst New Year ever.

Talking of which ... Happy New Year to you !!:blush:

InOne

01-01-2011, 10:41 AM

Happy New Year Pyramid :hug: Do you use your real name on here?

Pyramid*

01-01-2011, 11:03 AM

28764]Happy New Year Pyramid :hug: Do you use your real name on here?
Thanks! :hug: to you too.

My real name is Pyramid* :hugesmile: !! Seeing as I'm older than the sands of time..... and certainly from what I see... a lot older than the majority on tibbs! Call me granny and the police will be looking for another homicidal maniac !!

Angus

01-01-2011, 11:20 AM

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2010/Dec/Week4/15875704.jpg

So CJ loves Death
scared the kids.

This sort of smear campaign is outrageous and really should not be allowed - it's like a trial by newspaper. Whether he's guilty or not he's entitled to a fair and unbiased trial - what does it matter whether he's an eccentric, has blue hair, or is considered weird by some rather sheltered souls? When exactly was any of that a crime?

Personally, I still suspect he might be involved because of the circumstances, not because of how he looks or behaves, but until the police find some hard evidence he deserves the benefit of the doubt.

InOne

01-01-2011, 11:21 AM

Thanks! :hug: to you too.

My real name is Pyramid* :hugesmile: !! Seeing as I'm older than the sands of time..... and certainly from what I see... a lot older than the majority on tibbs! Call me granny and the police will be looking for another homicidal maniac !!

Stop being so dramatic :tongue:

Novo

01-01-2011, 11:25 AM

His hair in that Photo is more Grey then Blue

Pyramid*

01-01-2011, 12:11 PM

This sort of smear campaign is outrageous and really should not be allowed - it's like a trial by newspaper. Whether he's guilty or not he's entitled to a fair and unbiased trial - what does it matter whether he's an eccentric, has blue hair, or is considered weird by some rather sheltered souls? When exactly was any of that a crime?

Personally, I still suspect he might be involved because of the circumstances, not because of how he looks or behaves, but until the police find some hard evidence he deserves the benefit of the doubt.

Agree.....

Stop being so dramatic :tongue:

http://www.egyptian-witchcraft.com/images/Egyptian.gif

http://rlv.zcache.com/eye_of_horus_sculpture_photosculpture-p1539391257325045683r0w_400.jpg

Consider yourself Cursed !!!! :devil:

JobsForTheBoys

01-01-2011, 12:19 PM

If he is released without charge will the newspapers still keep up with their character assasination of him or will they apologise to him?

mrscolumbo

01-01-2011, 12:37 PM

Well I expect with little or no leads the police had to be seen to be doing something - Mr Jefferies a little too convenient as a suspect I fear - like saying the butler did it!

InOne

01-01-2011, 12:39 PM

Well I expect with little or no leads the police had to be seen to be doing something - Mr Jefferies a little too convenient as a suspect I fear - like saying the butler did it!

Yeah seems a little Scooby Do like.

And welcome to the forum

arista

01-01-2011, 12:43 PM

This sort of smear campaign is outrageous and really should not be allowed - it's like a trial by newspaper. Whether he's guilty or not he's entitled to a fair and unbiased trial - what does it matter whether he's an eccentric, has blue hair, or is considered weird by some rather sheltered souls? When exactly was any of that a crime?

Personally, I still suspect he might be involved because of the circumstances, not because of how he looks or behaves, but until the police find some hard evidence he deserves the benefit of the doubt.

Yes it is
he will have to move out of the area.

He has been made in to the
ultimate peeping tom peado

Pyramid*

01-01-2011, 12:51 PM

If he is released without charge will the newspapers still keep up with their character assasination of him or will they apologise to him?

Now this raises a question in my mind.

Never mind apologies...... if he is released without charge - I wonder if he is able to sue the newspapers for printing defammatory and libellious stories?

What I also find strange is: he worked at that school from 1967 to 2001 - if pupils found him so odd and he had anything 'suspect' (not killer wise, I mean in the way he is now being portrayed as some sick weirdo) - I doubt any private school would have retained his services. He worked there for 34 years - eccentric or not, he clearly wasn't that 'odd'.

It is all trial by media at this stage and it really is bang out of order. All this kind of nonsense should be embargoed until a final decision is made - ie: if and when he has been charged, placed in court for trial and found guilty (based on facts and forensics and not just circumstancial evidence - something I find a complete enigma).

mrscolumbo

01-01-2011, 01:17 PM

Today's Telegraph has a piece quoting another ex tenent who says she would have been happy to leave the care of her child with Mr Jefferies and that he never entered the apartment without their permission - also agree 35 years at the same school and left without a blemish on his charactor why bother now to put any store by what ex pupils have got to say - who hasn't attending a school with the odd dubious teacher.

Pyramid*

01-01-2011, 01:27 PM

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3326262/Joanna-Yeates-murder-suspect-followed-me-says-woman.html

Have just read this.

What a load of baloney.

Let's start with the facts that put a whole different light on this woman's story.

She had been living in a refuge having left an abusive relationship - ie: she would have been in a very sensitive place emotionally and psychologically herself and would naturally be on the 'alert' - on the defensive due her own personal circumstances in having left an abusive relationship.

A man she clearly didn't like, began to pay her some attention. Hardly a crime. he and she happened to go to the same library, the same coffee shop, walk past the same bus stops: hardly unusual for 2 people in the same town to share the same haunts.

The paper reports that she 'confronted' him to say that she felt his behaviour wasn't normal and he replied with anger, "what do you think I am, some sort of pervert?". I'd say that any ordinary person, with very ordinary and normal intentions WOULD react like in that manner - if they were 'confronted' - especially if their intentions were innocent.

This man that she barely knew, she manages to pigeon hole as domineering, as a control freak and dominant towards women. How would she know this if she herself had not spent some time with him to determine this? Oh wait... she didn't ! On giving her 'story' her, it's claimed that she was weeping - what a load of utter piffle.

Another snippet in this story about former tenants who claimed he was a peeping tom type.

The couple lived below Jefferies for eight months from December 1998 and became convinced that he had secretly been into their flat.
But a home-made "security system" showed he had not.

Which proves one thing about this couple: they were wrong.

Absolutely shocking that this type of reporting is allowed to continue, it really is. If he's found guilty, let this stuff come out: but it's completely inappropriate at this crucial stage.

Novo

01-01-2011, 01:35 PM

Obsessed with Death
Scared the Kids at the School
Peeping tom
eccentric meddler
Stalker
nutty professor

What is next to add to the list?

Pyramid*

01-01-2011, 01:39 PM

Obsessed with Death
Scared the Kids at the School
Peeping tom
eccentric meddler
Stalker
nutty professor

What is next to add to the list?

Guilty......

Killer......

Murderer...........

Novo

01-01-2011, 01:40 PM

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3326262/Joanna-Yeates-murder-suspect-followed-me-says-woman.html

Have just read this.

What a load of baloney.

Let's start with the facts that put a whole different light on this woman's story.

She had been living in a refuge having left an abusive relationship - ie: she would have been in a very sensitive place emotionally and psychologically herself and would naturally be on the 'alert' - on the defensive due her own personal circumstances in having left an abusive relationship.

A man she clearly didn't like, began to pay her some attention. Hardly a crime. he and she happened to go to the same library, the same coffee shop, walk past the same bus stops: hardly unusual for 2 people in the same town to share the same haunts.

The paper reports that she 'confronted' him to say that she felt his behaviour wasn't normal and he replied with anger, "what do you think I am, some sort of pervert?". I'd say that any ordinary person, with very ordinary and normal intentions WOULD react like in that manner - if they were 'confronted' - especially if their intentions were innocent.

This man that she barely knew, she manages to pigeon hole as domineering, as a control freak and dominant towards women. How would she know this if she herself had not spent some time with him to determine this? Oh wait... she didn't ! On giving her 'story' her, it's claimed that she was weeping - what a load of utter piffle.

Another snippet in this story about former tenants who claimed he was a peeping tom type.

Which proves one thing about this couple: they were wrong.

Absolutely shocking that this type of reporting is allowed to continue, it really is. If he's found guilty, let this stuff come out: but it's completely inappropriate at this crucial stage.

"I'm a natural blonde and he'd comment on how nice my hair was - he did like blondes. "

Numerous other articles have said that he has never shown interest towards Women or Men

Sounds like someone trying to sneak in their 5 minutes of fame

Novo

01-01-2011, 01:42 PM

Pyramid*

01-01-2011, 01:42 PM

"I'm a natural blonde and he'd comment on how nice my hair was - he did like blondes. "

Numerous other articles have said that he has never shown interest towards Women or Men

Sounds like someone trying to sneak in their 5 minutes of fame

Yep, they all come crawling out of the woodwork it seems. Along with previous tenants who had their suspicious proved to be incorrect.

Pyramid*

01-01-2011, 01:44 PM

Yesterday, as forensics officers continued to comb the Victorian building where Jefferies lives, a couple told how they nicknamed him "Hannibal Lecter" while living in one of his basement flats

^

Add Hannibal Lector to that list

yeah, saw that. Over the years, I've 'known' many people who were a bit odd - recall nicknames my friends and I had for some (The Claw being one that sticks in my mind) - for a man who was nothing more than 'over friendly, overly tactile'. hardly makes them killers.

mrscolumbo

01-01-2011, 01:47 PM

What scurrilous reporting by the Sun - why does she not want to be named probably of dubious character and couldn’t be relied on as a witness – having worked in a Library we often got people in very regularly some every day especially to use the computer and read the newspapers – being a literary man I expect Mr Jefferies frequented the Library more days than not, nothing suspicious in that also visiting the supermarket and bumping into your neighbour now and again is hardly the profile of a stalker with murder in mind!

Zippy

01-01-2011, 08:29 PM

Pyramid*

01-01-2011, 08:35 PM

I reckon he's guilty as hell. Sorry, I just do.

The police reckon she was abducted from the house without any break in(so it was somebody she knew probably) then taken 3 miles away and dumped. I reckon he strangled her in an arguement and then knew it would be best to make it look like it happened away from the house. Makes him less of a suspect.

Why are you sorry !!! You've got every right to think that if it's what you believe, I'm pretty sure you aren't alone either, there will be a lot who will think the same way.

Time will tell. In it's own very warped way, gruesome as it sounds, I do find a certain interest / slight fascination in these type of things - purely from the psychological interest / p.o.v. if he is charged and found to be guilty etc.

Zippy

01-01-2011, 08:46 PM

Why are you sorry !!! You've got every right to think that if it's what you believe, I'm pretty sure you aren't alone either, there will be a lot who will think the same way.

Time will tell. In it's own very warped way, gruesome as it sounds, I do find a certain interest / slight fascination in these type of things - purely from the psychological interest / p.o.v. if he is charged and found to be guilty etc.

well, innocent until proven guilty....

but thats just my hunch having read some details about where she was found and what she didnt have on her etc. She didnt have her mobile with her and thats the first thing people grab these days when going out. And if it was somebody she knew that narrows the suspects down massively. It's easy to tick them off as suspects....except those without alibi's. He obviously doesnt have one.

mrscolumbo

01-01-2011, 09:01 PM

A totally personal observation - I think the police are clutching at straws and hoping and praying that dna links Mr Jefferies with the unsolved crime in 1974 of that poor student and then they can nail him in connection with Joanna Yeates crime.

Pyramid*

01-01-2011, 09:03 PM

well, innocent until proven guilty....

but thats just my hunch having read some details about where she was found and what she didnt have on her etc. She didnt have her mobile with her and thats the first thing people grab these days when going out. And if it was somebody she knew that narrows the suspects down massively. It's easy to tick them off as suspects....except those without alibi's. He obviously doesnt have one.

Oh I agree it doesn't look too good but he could simply have done what many single men at his age do in the evening... spend it at home alone doing nothing more that watching a movie, reading a book. Hell of a steep price to pay to pay for it though.....I mean, let's say for talking sake, he didn't do it and that was his alibi.

He's the owner of their property, he lives in the same building, he inspects his rented flats regularly, his prints, hair, particles of clothing, anything of forensic value - that type of thing - are bound to be evident in or around their flat, especially if he did a recent inspection.

The boyfriend's car doesn't start, he seeks the aid of a neighbour to help get the car started, boyfriend drives off for the weekend. CJ goes back into his flat for a quiet evening spent alone. The girlfriend comes home - then disappears to be found dead days later. And suddenly he's in the frame, having done nothing more than help the boyfriend to get on his way and return indoors to have a quiet evening on his lonesome.

it's very plausible. (it's also plausible that he is guilty but it will be interesting to see what they've got on him all the same).

babycakes

01-01-2011, 09:04 PM

Now this raises a question in my mind.

Never mind apologies...... if he is released without charge - I wonder if he is able to sue the newspapers for printing defammatory and libellious stories?

What I also find strange is: he worked at that school from 1967 to 2001 - if pupils found him so odd and he had anything 'suspect' (not killer wise, I mean in the way he is now being portrayed as some sick weirdo) - I doubt any private school would have retained his services. He worked there for 34 years - eccentric or not, he clearly wasn't that 'odd'.

It is all trial by media at this stage and it really is bang out of order. All this kind of nonsense should be embargoed until a final decision is made - ie: if and when he has been charged, placed in court for trial and found guilty (based on facts and forensics and not just circumstancial evidence - something I find a complete enigma).

Happy New Year Mids :xyxwave:

There's a guy on DS that was a pupil of CJ, who has nothing but praise for him, as an interesting and diligent schoolmaster. He's basically said that everything he has read in the tabloids is BS in regard to his character and I must admit all that jazz about Rossetti and films about the Holocaust (er, hello, anyone received an education that writes for the gutter press ??)

Like you, I understand the PS system, and agree that is pretty normal to be invited to a masters house/flat for pizza, or philosophy discussions, or to listen to music. Their life is entrenched in the school and therefore the pupils.

And everyone using these pages, or FB etc really should be cautious in what and how they write. If a person of interest to the press (not just the LL, for all we know there may be others in the frame) is discussed in an inappropriate way, it could be used by a defence team to show that they cannot receive a fair trial. Not wagging fingers, it is just something everyone needs to be mindful of.

I am embarassed to say that I find myself ghoulishly intrigued by this sad mystery. My son lives a mere stones throw away from the flat so I know the area very well, but there is definately a whodunnit quality that makes me feel a bitashamed of myself for my interest.

Pyramid*

01-01-2011, 09:14 PM

Happy New Year Mids :xyxwave:

There's a guy on DS that was a pupil of CJ, who has nothing but praise for him, as an interesting and diligent schoolmaster. He's basically said that everything he has read in the tabloids is BS in regard to his character and I must admit all that jazz about Rossetti and films about the Holocaust (er, hello, anyone received an education that writes for the gutter press ??)

Like you, I understand the PS system, and agree that is pretty normal to be invited to a masters house/flat for pizza, or philosophy discussions, or to listen to music. Their life is entrenched in the school and therefore the pupils.

And everyone using these pages, or FB etc really should be cautious in what and how they write. If a person of interest to the press (not just the LL, for all we know there may be others in the frame) is discussed in an inappropriate way, it could be used by a defence team to show that they cannot receive a fair trial. Not wagging fingers, it is just something everyone needs to be mindful of.

I am embarassed to say that I find myself ghoulishly intrigued by this sad mystery. My son lives a mere stones throw away from the flat so I know the area very well, but there is definately a whodunnit quality that makes me feel a bitashamed of myself for my interest.

:wavey: hello you !! :blush: How you doing... Very Happy New Year to you too (pass on the same to all the squad for me please in the Sunny Place, wish them all the best for 2011)

I agree totally BC. you can understand why the Attorney General is concerned about the way the matter is being reported. By all means, let all this come out after conviction/sentencing but not at such a tentative stage.

funny enough: I mentioned that the comment made by a former pupil being 'taken to his flat for a book reading being very very unusual' - that that was in fact, bollocks - and something that I speak from in my own experience - and like you have now said, although many years later after my own education: your son has experienced the same at his school - and that it's hardly anything to be concerned about or unusual.

I said a few posts ago that I too have a fascination for this (and this type of thing) - but I think that's human nature to a certain degree - a great many of us are nosey, but this reaches higher levels that merely nosiness, it's the intrigue, the mystery, the frustration at wondering 'what is going on behind the scences' that we all know nothing about yet.

Zippy

01-01-2011, 09:28 PM

InOne

01-01-2011, 09:31 PM

Zippy

01-01-2011, 09:37 PM

To be fair, when someone is a killer, family pretend to be shocked but they aren't. If they are a Psychopath the parents will know early on that there is something now quite right. But usually they'll pretend it's nothing or come up for other excuses for their behaviour

just because a family know their child is a bit odd or a bit of a loner doesn't mean they think they will go out murdering and cutting heads off every thursday. Thats a big stretch.

So yes, they certainly will be shocked. Especially if they have no history of violence.

InOne

01-01-2011, 09:39 PM

just because a family know their child is a bit odd or a bit of a loner doesn't mean they think they will go out murdering and cutting heads off every thursday. Thats a big stretch.

So yes, they certainly will be shocked. Especially if they have no history of violence.

And you know a family that's been in that situation do you?

Zippy

01-01-2011, 09:55 PM

And you know a family that's been in that situation do you?

No because serial killers dont frequent my area.

But Ive watched many docus and used to read books on famous murders and stuff.

And you don't know families either. For you to imply that theyre not shocked to learn their child is a serial killer is just a typical InOne statement. *rolls eyes*

InOne

01-01-2011, 09:59 PM

No because serial killers dont frequent my area.

But Ive watched many docus and used to read books on famous murders and stuff.

And you don't know families either. For you to imply that theyre not shocked to learn their child is a serial killer is just a typical InOne statement. *rolls eyes*

No point getting into something like this with you. You just harp on and can't admit when wrong.

Zippy

01-01-2011, 10:04 PM

No point getting into something like this with you. You just harp on and can't admit when wrong.

Good. thats you silenced.

InOne

01-01-2011, 10:06 PM

I'll just keep on topic and ignore your idiocy

MTVN

01-01-2011, 10:13 PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12103905

"Jo Yeates murder suspect Chris Jefferies freed on bail"

keithafc

01-01-2011, 10:26 PM

I'll just keep on topic and ignore your idiocy

:conf:

Pyramid*

01-01-2011, 10:30 PM

nobody who knew him can say he's innocent. None of us know what lurks in the minds of others or what theyre capable of in certain situations.

Why do you think parents are so shocked when their child is revealed as a serial killer? Those closest are often the last to suspect. It's complex psychology. And murderers can be extremely complex people....with many sides.

just because a family know their child is a bit odd or a bit of a loner doesn't mean they think they will go out murdering and cutting heads off every thursday. Thats a big stretch.

So yes, they certainly will be shocked. Especially if they have no history of violence.

And no one who knows him can say he is guilty - unless they are aware of him having done this before.

Besides which: perhaps its the way I'm reading it, but your first post above seems to contradict your second. :conf:

Former OC

01-01-2011, 10:34 PM

Happy New Year Mids :xyxwave:

There's a guy on DS that was a pupil of CJ, who has nothing but praise for him, as an interesting and diligent schoolmaster. He's basically said that everything he has read in the tabloids is BS in regard to his character and I must admit all that jazz about Rossetti and films about the Holocaust (er, hello, anyone received an education that writes for the gutter press ??)

Like you, I understand the PS system, and agree that is pretty normal to be invited to a masters house/flat for pizza, or philosophy discussions, or to listen to music. Their life is entrenched in the school and therefore the pupils.

And everyone using these pages, or FB etc really should be cautious in what and how they write. If a person of interest to the press (not just the LL, for all we know there may be others in the frame) is discussed in an inappropriate way, it could be used by a defence team to show that they cannot receive a fair trial. Not wagging fingers, it is just something everyone needs to be mindful of.

I am embarassed to say that I find myself ghoulishly intrigued by this sad mystery. My son lives a mere stones throw away from the flat so I know the area very well, but there is definately a whodunnit quality that makes me feel a bitashamed of myself for my interest.

I was at Clifton during the late 70s/early 80s and was taught by Chris Jeferries for 5 years. I would entirely agree with the viewpoint that he was an excellent teacher whose character has been largely misrepresented. Some of the gutter press reporting has been laughable. For instance to state he was obsessed by death is a gross overstatement. He sought to teach us the whole gamut of human emotions from grief to joy through literature and the arts - death was merely one instance of this, he was just as interested in more life affirming subjects - I spent far more time laughing at Chaucer, marvelling at Ted Hughes poetry than I ever did watching Night and Fog (this also misses the point that Night and Fog wasn't a sensationalist Channel 5esque Nazi documentary but a major artistic piece of work by a renowned French film maker in collaboration with two surivors of Auschwitz). Todays headline in The Sun argues that this so called obsession scared the children - well I hate to break it to you but the entrance age for public schools is 13 - the so called children were all teenagers perfectly mature enough to deal with such subject matter. In addition there has been much prurient reporting of his lewd statements to pupils - well i was taught by him twice/three times a week for 5 years and I can categorically state that not once did he ever say one improper word to me or anyone else I knew. H emay have been flamboyantly threatrical in his teaching style he was actually very reserved in his attitude to pupils - he did not want to be your confidante.

As others have said there was nothing unusual in going to a masters house - I went to many, again not once did anything improper go on or was even suggested. Oddly this was actually proved by the Sun in their non story that a pupil and his friends (surely a weird predatory paedophile would ask pupils individually) were inivited to his house, strange though the pupil thought this (I would dispute this) he had to admit nothing happened!

Pyramid*

01-01-2011, 10:35 PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12103905

"Jo Yeates murder suspect Chris Jefferies freed on bail"

Now.... if he's on bail, that can mean one of two things... either not enough to be charged - or he has been charged but has been given conditional bail until time of court case (the latter would be odd given the crime).

If there's not enough evidence to charge you, you'll be released on police bail. You don't have to pay to be released on police bail, but you'll have to return to the station for further questioning when asked.
If you're charged and the police think there's a risk that you may commit another offence, fail to turn up at court, intimidate other witnesses or obstruct the course of justice, they can impose conditional bail. This means your freedom will be restricted in some way. For example, a curfew may be imposed on you if your offence was committed at night.

JobsForTheBoys

01-01-2011, 10:36 PM

The press will be absolutely gutted because they already had him hung drawn and quatered.

If he is innocent I do hope they have to pay him substantial compansation.

Pyramid*

01-01-2011, 10:39 PM

I was at Clifton during the late 70s/early 80s and was taught by Chris Jeferries for 5 years. I would entirely agree with the viewpoint that he was an excellent teacher whose character has been largely misrepresented. Some of the gutter press reporting has been laughable. For instance to state he was obsessed by death is a gross overstatement. He sought to teach us the whole gamut of human emotions from grief to joy through literature and the arts - death was merely one instance of this, he was just as interested in more life affirming subjects - I spent far more time laughing at Chaucer, marvelling at Ted Hughes poetry than I ever did watching Night and Fog (this also misses the point that Night and Fog wasn't a sensationalist Channel 5esque Nazi documentary but a major artistic piece of work by a renowned French film maker in collaboration with two surivors of Auschwitz). Todays headline in The Sun argues that this so called obsession scared the children - well I hate to break it to you but the entrance age for public schools is 13 - the so called children were all teenagers perfectly mature enough to deal with such subject matter. In addition there has been much prurient reporting of his lewd statements to pupils - well i was taught by him twice/three times a week for 5 years and I can categorically state that not once did he ever say one improper word to me or anyone else I knew. H emay have been flamboyantly threatrical in his teaching style he was actually very reserved in his attitude to pupils - he did not want to be your confidante.

As others have said there was nothing unusual in going to a masters house - I went to many, again not once did anything improper go on or was even suggested. Oddly this was actually proved by the Sun in their non story that a pupil and his friends (surely a weird predatory paedophile would ask pupils individually) were inivited to his house, strange though the pupil thought this (I would dispute this) he had to admit nothing happened!

Thanks for joining and for sharing this and welcome!

Pyramid*

01-01-2011, 10:41 PM

The press will be absolutely gutted because they already had him hung drawn and quatered.

If he is innocent I do hope they have to pay him substantial compansation.

JFTB: I would love him to be innocent and to take this matter further - reporting on facts is one thing, but hanging somenone out to dry in the manner they have done so far, before any legal proceedings have actually taken place as far as determining guilt - has been nothing less than shocking.

babycakes

01-01-2011, 10:43 PM

InOne

01-01-2011, 10:45 PM

The people who believe it are worse than the people who write it

JobsForTheBoys

01-01-2011, 10:48 PM

JFTB: I would love him to be innocent and to take this matter further - reporting on facts is one thing, but hanging somenone out to dry in the manner they have done so far, before any legal proceedings have actually taken place as far as determining guilt - has been nothing less than shocking.

I think the press can do more harm than good at times with their interference and muck raking. Some of their reporters would make excellent internet trolls.

Pyramid*

01-01-2011, 10:49 PM

The people who believe it are worse than the people who write it

When you get tenants who offer up spurious comment but refuse to give their names...... you can almost guarantee they'll be eeking the truth out to some extent, if indeed, such comments were actually made by any the 'supposed' tenants in the first place.

I'm aware of laws that are enforceable now for newspapers to disclose their sources in certain circumstances. - I wonder - if all this should eventually pan out and CJ is innocent - if he has recourse not only as far as the media is concerned, but those who have slandered him and been quoted in the papers - whether they were named in the articles or not.

Former OC

01-01-2011, 10:51 PM

Thanks so much for your input; this backs up everything the poster on DS was saying, but I think most of us are bright enough to realise the ridiculous spin and appalling journalism that is most often served up by the sensationalist media (not just the tabloids, sadly).

I just find it frightening that the media can get away with publishing such utter drivel; and for all they knew at the time of writing, they could easily be putting a judicial procedure at risk.
Pardon my ignorance but what does DS refer to?

JobsForTheBoys

01-01-2011, 10:52 PM

Why on earth would a landlord kill one of his tenants. It just doesnt make sense, and I suppose thats one of the reasons I dont believe its him.

Pyramid*

01-01-2011, 10:53 PM

I think the press can do more harm than good at times with their interference and muck raking. Some of their reporters would make excellent internet trolls.

half of them probably are internet trolls !!!

I agree. I'm happy to say that whilst I might read all sorts of stuff from the Sun to the Telegraph and everything in between - one doesn't even have to read between the lines in what is written - just simply paying attention to what is written and how it's written and presented, sometimes tells it's own story.

Still.... it's still early days - he could still be guilty of murder - but as I've said time and time again, I'm not convinced with the snippets that we've been given.

Zippy

01-01-2011, 10:54 PM

And no one who knows him can say he is guilty - unless they are aware of him having done this before.

Besides which: perhaps its the way I'm reading it, but your first post above seems to contradict your second. :conf:

Nope, no contradiction. I havent said that anybody can say he's guilty or innocent just because they know him. Im saying nobody knows what lurks beneath somebodies exterior. Including those closest to them. And certainly not "former students of his" or whatever.

Pyramid*

01-01-2011, 10:54 PM

Pardon my ignorance but what does DS refer to?

Digital Spy - another forum!

MTVN

01-01-2011, 10:57 PM

Pyramid*

01-01-2011, 10:58 PM

Nope, no contradiction. I havent said that anybody can say he's guilty or innocent just because they know him. Im saying nobody knows what lurks beneath somebodies exterior. Including those closest to them. And certainly not "former students of his" or whatever.

I meant in respect of the 2 parts I'd highlighted. In one you say no one knows what's lurking in person's mind, and in the other, you say that because someone is a loner / odd, doesn't mean they are a killer (owtte).

That does seem contradictory to me - just my perception I guess - but not that it really matters in the grand scale of things.

babycakes

01-01-2011, 11:00 PM

The people who believe it are worse than the people who write it

There are some people who, for whatever reason, do not have enquiring or cynical minds, and are willing to trust the word of the press. There was a time that the Fourth Estate was a respectable and reliable institution.

I'm just a natural cynic, but apart from that, can spot lazy and irresponsible journalism a mile off. Even the broadsheets, under the guise of examing the interest in this case, managed to muddy the waters and made the same lazy digs about this chap being "a confirmed bachelor" who "dyed his hair blue" and "as a keen member of Neighbourhood Watch" making every statement sound like a contrapositive for a murderous psychopath.

I find presumption of guilt frightening, and have been quite shocked by how many people on various forums have indicated that is their stance.

Novo

01-01-2011, 11:09 PM

Jo's life was cut short tragically but the finger-pointing and character assassination by social and news media of as yet innocent men has been shameful.

Greg Reardon, boyfriend

Zippy

01-01-2011, 11:10 PM

I meant in respect of the 2 parts I'd highlighted. In one you say no one knows what's lurking in person's mind, and in the other, you say that because someone is a loner / odd, doesn't mean they are a killer (owtte).

That does seem contradictory to me - just my perception I guess - but not that it really matters in the grand scale of things.

well because often serial killers were loners or socially awkward when young. This is usually as much as the parents will know about them as regards their behaviour socially. Unless they showed any signs of violence towards animals or others then of course they would be shocked to learn they were out killing people! which was my point to someone who implied that parents only pretend to be shocked.

Pyramid*

01-01-2011, 11:35 PM

Put Sky news on there are the ticker tape mentioned little apart from..... this I think might possibly be an indicator here....

making mention of CJ being released on bail, followed by a comment made by Joanna's parents saying that are confident Joanna's killer will be caught.

Now to me, that's inferring that CJ isn't the killer. Strange one all the same (the case, the bail situ, and the comment, I mean)

CarriKP

02-01-2011, 12:22 AM

Jo's life was cut short tragically but the finger-pointing and character assassination by social and news media of as yet innocent men has been shameful.

Greg Reardon, boyfriend

I couldn't agree more

CarriKP

02-01-2011, 12:26 AM

There are some people who, for whatever reason, do not have enquiring or cynical minds, and are willing to trust the word of the press. There was a time that the Fourth Estate was a respectable and reliable institution.

I'm just a natural cynic, but apart from that, can spot lazy and irresponsible journalism a mile off. Even the broadsheets, under the guise of examing the interest in this case, managed to muddy the waters and made the same lazy digs about this chap being "a confirmed bachelor" who "dyed his hair blue" and "as a keen member of Neighbourhood Watch" making every statement sound like a contrapositive for a murderous psychopath.

I find presumption of guilt frightening, and have been quite shocked by how many people on various forums have indicated that is their stance.

'innocent until proved guilty' is a mockery in this country - it doesn't happen thanks to the media

keithafc

02-01-2011, 12:54 AM

Its got a wiff of we will never find out the killer this story does.

Zippy

02-01-2011, 01:06 AM

Its got a wiff of we will never find out the killer this story does.

not if its somebody she knew. I mean, how many people can that be? Just waiting for the evidence to mount up.

Its still early days.

Shasown

02-01-2011, 01:25 AM

The press will be absolutely gutted because they already had him hung drawn and quatered.

If he is innocent I do hope they have to pay him substantial compansation.

Nope they wont have to pay him a penny, unless he can prove something they wrote as "fact" and not "opinion" as being factually incorrect.

Even then if it came from a reliable third party source and could in some way be verified or backed up then the press walk away scott free.

A complaint to the Press Complaints Commission would simply earn him at most a printed apology unless the point in question was deemed to be libelous.

Its great the way the press get away with character assassinations by misquoting people.

mrscolumbo

02-01-2011, 09:02 AM

Police are appealing for more people such as taxi drivers to come along and give any information they have - can you imagine after the good citizenship of Mr Jefferies helping them with their enquiries that any other male is likely to come forward with any information for fear of being incriminated with the crime - I think the police have well and truly shot themselves in the foot - they appeared to be a bit over zealous in the arrest of Mr Jefferies and are now back to square one - IMO quite incompetent!

arista

02-01-2011, 09:53 AM

CJ is now on Police Bail.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Joanna-Yeates-Murder-Landlord-Chris-Jefferies-Released-On-Police-Bail/Article/201101115876704?lpos=UK_News_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15876704_Joanna_Yeates_Murder%3A_Landl ord_Chris_Jefferies_Released_On_Police_Bail

Pyramid*

02-01-2011, 11:47 AM

Snippet from the Telegraph:- ref Greg's (the boyfriend) statment.

Mr Reardon added: "Jo’s life was cut short tragically but the finger-pointing and character assassination by social and news media of as yet innocent men has been shameful.

"It has made me lose a lot of faith in the morality of the British Press and those that spend their time fixed to the internet in this modern age.

"I hope in the future, they will show a more sensitive and impartial view to those involved in such heartbreaking events and especially in the lead-up to potentially high-profile court cases."

Highly unsurpring that lowlife tabloids such as The Sun and DM, have also quoted Greg's statment - but omitted the above part. quelle surprise eh!

Suddenly the man is out on bail and the tone and wording used towards him in today's papers is immediately of a very different style - no mud slinging, no castigation etc - although the DM are still running with their origial headline of Prof Strange that appeared last night.

Either the media have had their knuckles wrapped or they may have realised that this man just might just hit them with a lawsuit.

Going on the premise that the boyfriend is not involved: I'd have thought that if he had the slightest doubt about the LL, if he had the smallest hint of him being involved, I'd be surprised that he would have raised the matter of the abyssmal 'trial by media' press coverage at all.

Sat reading the volumes of pages on DS re this: and a few have pointed out that this could mean:-

(a) no charge made as still awaiting forensic results & ongoing investigation but still could be number 1 suspect at the current time and has been given bail on condition until he is finally eliminated - possibly due to awaiting results on tests etc.

(b) he may have been charged with some smaller crime, totally unrelated - with the police using clever use of wording that he was released on bail makes it appear that the police still think he is connected to it - even if he is not - smoke and mirrors scenario going on.

Good point was raised on DS about the police appealing for people who may have even the smallest, apparently insignificant piece of info to please come forward. ....... After the way CJ has been castigated up till this point - anyone going near the police even with the smallest piece of info after the way this has been handled so far, would quite seriously, have to have to be insane.

Once upon a time years ago, the press were there to help police by reporting on such serious crimes, in getting the message out and appealing for help. Seems those days are long gone.

mrscolumbo

02-01-2011, 11:52 AM

JobsForTheBoys

02-01-2011, 12:00 PM

Apparently Mr Jefferies was released at 2300 gmt last night - presumably under the extension they got from the magistrates they could have legally kept Mr Jefferies in custody until 0700 am Tuesday - IMO he was let out early because they have absolutely nothing on him and can't be seen to waste further time with Mr Jefferies as a suspect whilst possibly the real culprit is still at large and before any leads go cold.

If they dont find any evidence on him which is worthy of prosecution they will just keep re bailing him every month or so for about 6 months until they eventually release him without charge or charge him.

My guess is that they havnt got a thing on him.

Pyramid*

02-01-2011, 01:15 PM

Christ you really can't do much more than raise a wry smile at some utter piffle that's printed:- this also from the Telegraph.

However, another former pupil of Mr Jefferies, David Gawain, said: "He had a tendency of wanting to get his own way. If you had not done your prep or other things like learning poems, he used to shout at you.

I went to his flat with my English class once and he began shouting at us because we were not behaving ourselves."

Errr.. yes. The first is called good old fashioned teaching as far as not doing what you are told to do and being reprimanded for it. That's the way it works,that's life : some teachers have a more stringent manner than others.

The second is because you were in someone's home and misbehaving - and were reprimanded and spoken because you were misbehaving. .

The actions of CJ in both these instaces offer nothing more than him remonstrating to those of a younger generation who are showing no respect to a person in authority - and more so, when you are in that person's home and not behaving appropriately. It's called being disrespectful - but I'm sure you'll understand that concept a little more when you mature a little, and have your own home that you wish ohers to respect when they are invited into it.

A former head porter at the college, Gerry Hughes, said Mr Jefferies disliked being called by his first name. "It always had to be Mr Jefferies, at least with the non-teaching staff,"

If CJ wishes his correct formal title (Mr, rather than Chris) to be used - he has every right to do so. I personally loathe this culture of anyone and everyone, regardless of familiarity (or rather lack of), thinking it's quite fine to use Christian names to address others. There is a reason for formality, it's called good etiquette and good social manners.

mrscolumbo

02-01-2011, 05:44 PM

Okay police prime 'suspect' released on bail - however a 'suspect still at large' but no danger to public according to statement from police this afternoon.

Now let us look at some statistics taken from UK Home Office:

murder of female by partner/spouse 67%
murder of female by relative 10%
murder of female by acquaintance 20%
murder of female by stranger 8%

location of murder

home 65%
street/footpath 25%
other 10%

Not casting any aspersions but I think the statistics speak for themselves.

MTVN

02-01-2011, 06:02 PM

I was reading the Sunday Mirror today and they said how "obssessed" Chris Jefferies favourite poem was about a man who cut his wifes throat. Turned out it was Oscar Wilde's The Ballad of Reading Gaol, an incredibly iconic poem by one of the most acclaimed writers of recent times, and they make him out to be a monster for liking it :rolleyes:

Pyramid*

02-01-2011, 07:31 PM

Absolutely - and if I may be allowed to quote Mr Wilde on one of his most famous quotes whilst passing through a custom check point '....I have nothing to declare but my genious' and a literary genious the man was how can one not respect or like his work.

It would take a moran or homophobic to consider a piece of work by Oscar Wilde and relate it to murderous inclination of a scholar of english!

*Cough* Sense of humour is required before reading further!

Talking of murder. I think there may be more crime committed against the English language in your post above, than any that CJ may have been guilty of.
:laugh:

Sorry - me bad. It's not smart and it's not clever. This I know, but I couldn't resist, :blush2:especially when one of Oscar Wilde's quotes was:-

A poet can survive everything but a misprint. :D

Pyramid*

02-01-2011, 07:55 PM

Absolutely - and if I may be allowed to quote Mr Wilde on one of his most famous quotes whilst passing through a custom check point '....I have nothing to declare but my genious' and a literary genious the man was how can one not respect or like his work.

It would take a moran or homophobic to consider a piece of work by Oscar Wilde and relate it to murderous inclination of a scholar of english!

Quite Pyramid - that is why I put in the apology to Mr Wilde.

I'm quite certain you put the apology in because you omitted the word 'not' (see blue above) in your earlier post, as confirmed by your subsequent post below.

oops meant to say '...not like his work' - apologies Mr Wilde.

I was referring to your spelling, grammar and incorrect word usage. As I say, it was a light hearted 'poke' - given that you were showing such fervour for Oscar Wilde. It matters not a jot, I simply found it amusing. None of us are perfect!