Amy Winehouse has died

[Zippy]

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[Stu]

Since when did anyone die from from having a few too many fags one Saturday afternoon at the age of 27?

What happened to your prevous thought that smoking shouldn't be used as a comparison ... as you stated in your earlier post - I thought you didn't think it had any place in this type of discussion: or is it only smoking when it's referred to hash/weed/bit of skunk.
You have made this same absurd point and I have responded to it. Tobacco could kill you eventually. Cannabis will not.

I was clearly talking about Cannabis in the post you alluded to because I was responding to a post about Cannabis. Mentioning Cannabis in my post.

It doesn't matter if tobacco takes a few decades to kill you. It's still an addiction and it's still an addiction that kills. I took relativity into account in my posts. Crack could kill you within a few weeks with a heavy addiction. Tobacco could kill you within a few years with a heavy addiction.

I never once said tobacco was worse than crack. I always said it was a simple comparison to get tobacco smokers to understand and that relativity should be taken into account. Please read.

...yes, I'm not talking about the act of taking drugs though, I'm talking about the choice to actually take them in the first place.
The choice leads to the act.

she made a choice at some point in her life to take drugs.
As did I. As did you. Not relevant.

but if she truly wanted to quit drugs, all she had to do was take that first step of removing herself from an environment where she could access drugs. Move to the countryside. Go to an obscure island. Lock yourself in and never come out again. There are options, and she had the money to utilise them, which isn't an option that many drug addicts don't have.
But she didn't make those choices. She could have. But she was a drug addict.

[Pyramid*]

nobody needs your sympathy.

But your need to ram your point home and continually insist she got what she deserved is just tasteless and unnecessary. Especially since her body is barely cold.

If you can't say anything kind or sympathetic about somebodies death then you really should just zip it. At least for a day or two. Let those who are sad mourn her death ffs.

It's not like she's a murderer who deserved to die.

I didn't say anyone needed my sympathy - I made it clear that I HAD none.

I don't know her personally. I did not respect her as a musician/singer.

Why should I 'zip it'. I have every right to voice my opinion on the matter - as you do.

Because I don't share the views of others, is no reason for me to feign some sort of concern / grief / bereavement/ faux sadness.

I did not say she got what she deserved. I said that if you play with fire... she died and ultimately paid the price. That's a fact Zippy.

I'm certainly not going to be apologetic for my opinion on AW or those who may be in the position she was in.

[Pyramid*]

I hate to quote myself but to think of a good comparison :

Imagine a schizophrenic person trying to convince themselves that the voices in their head are just that. Voices.

That's what hardcore drug addiction is. The worst of it. How come schizophrenics cannot just choose to be sane?

Drug addiction at it's worst is a mental illness.


Drugs - take or leave.


Take - chance to become addicted


Addicted - often leads to mental illness


Mental Illness - often leads to irrational behaviour / bad judgement


Bad judgement: can lead to overdose or irrational decision (suicide)

Check back to the top to see what started the cycle.


Many schizophrenics have no choice in their illness.... many drugs users develop schizophrenia - through their drug habit / addiction. Then refer back to above.

[Z]

The choice leads to the act.


As did I. As did you. Not relevant.


But she didn't make those choices. She could have. But she was a drug addict.


I'm not addicted to drugs. She was. I made the choice to try drugs, and then didn't go back to them. She did. She could have, she didn't, she's dead and therefore it's fair enough to discuss that failure to do so without being ripped apart for not being emotionally invested in her death. It's just a difference in opinion towards the topic of drugs, it's something you and I disagree on and we have done in countless threads, I think this could go round and round in circles so this'll be my last post in this thread.

[Pyramid*]

You have made this same absurd point and I have responded to it. Tobacco could kill you eventually. Cannabis will not.

I was clearly talking about Cannabis in the post you alluded to because I was responding to a post about Cannabis. Mentioning Cannabis in my post.

It doesn't matter if tobacco takes a few decades to kill you. It's still an addiction and it's still an addiction that kills. I took relativity into account in my posts. Crack could kill you within a few weeks with a heavy addiction. Tobacco could kill you within a few years with a heavy addiction.

I never once said tobacco was worse than crack. I always said it was a simple comparison to get tobacco smokers to understand and that relativity should be taken into account. Please read.


The choice leads to the act.


As did I. As did you. Not relevant.


But she didn't make those choices. She could have. But she was a drug addict.

AW didn't make the choice to take A class drugs, that would eventually kill here?

How do you suggest she got into A class drugs initially then? Are you saying she was forced, against her will?

of course she had a choice. She choose to take them....the rest led to today's events.

[Omah]

I understand many will be sad etc, but personally? She was an adult. She was able to make choices. No one forced her to take all manner of drugs, and no one forced her to hang around with the low life types that see did hang around with.

Sorry Lewis, this is one that I'm not in the least bit sympathetic with - if someone plays with fire and all that...... she had the financial means to get the hell away from people that were bad for her, had the means to get herself checked in somewhere very long term.

If she wanted to have done that, she would have - if she cared enough about her life (and I mean as in life expectancy), she had everything available to her if she had wanted to get away from people / lifestyle / drugs / alchohol.

I know I won't be popular - no change there - but that's the way I feel.

That is how I feel. If she had truly wanted help, she had the means to go about it. There was nothing stopping her from moving into an isolated home in the countryside with a family member and cutting herself off from the world of drink and drugs she was immersed in. The only way to quit addiction is to go cold turkey. It is sad that she died, it's sad when anyone dies, there is always somebody who cares about somebody else's death, but I find the hysteria about her death that's mounting ridiculous for a few reasons. Firstly, she's "been working on a new album" for five years. She's produced no new music in half a decade. If the media hadn't made a show out of her drink and drug problem, she would have been forgotten about by most of the people in this thread until news of her death popped up with the odd "sad news, RIP :(" and that would be it. Instead, they made her life tabloid fodder and she's remained in the public eye for having drink and drug problems. Of course she was going to die young.

She's not actually done anything of note for half a decade; there were empty promises of new material for a few years and then apparently recently she had actually been working on new material - but going by her abysmal performance in Serbia, I'm not sure I believe that she was in the frame of mind to be producing all that much in the way of music. I care about Norway, it shocked me and I'm stunned that people are disregarding it so soon after it happened in favour of this. It's not like her death was out of the blue, when someone's that messed up it's more a case of predicting when rather than if, is that something that anyone can seriously deny? She's been all over the media for four years because she has problems, now she's dead because of her problems, so what's left to talk about? There's no new music to show (at the moment - I expect they'll put out posthumous stuff) - I'd be more understanding if she was on the promotional trail at the moment. Maybe I'm just cold hearted when it comes to her, I just have no respect for people who CHOOSE to play with fire like she did and who then suffer for it, and I guess that's been exacerbated by the fact she's famous for being, well, a mess, and is now going to receive even more attention for it.

Yeah, I agree with most of the above .....

[Stu]

I'm not addicted to drugs. She was. I made the choice to try drugs, and then didn't go back to them. She did. She could have, she didn't, she's dead and therefore it's fair enough to discuss that failure to do so without being ripped apart for not being emotionally invested in her death. It's just a difference in opinion towards the topic of drugs, it's something you and I disagree on and we have done in countless threads, I think this could go round and round in circles so this'll be my last post in this thread.
What about Alcohol? One of the primary drugs in her downfall? You made the choice to go back to that, right? She did too. And with her personality it took hold and she couldn't shake it. She failed. I have sympathy.

AW didn't make the choice to take A class drugs, that would eventually kill here?

How do you suggest she got into A class drugs initially then? Are you saying she was forced, against her will?

of course she had a choice. She choose to take them....the rest led to today's events.
I never said she didn't choose to take druga initially? You are bolding two sentences that are entirely seperate in context to one another.

Again please read others posts more carefully.

I'm washing my hands of you tonight as of now.

[Pyramid*]

I'm not addicted to drugs. She was. I made the choice to try drugs, and then didn't go back to them. She did. She could have, she didn't, she's dead and therefore it's fair enough to discuss that failure to do so without being ripped apart for not being emotionally invested in her death. It's just a difference in opinion towards the topic of drugs, it's something you and I disagree on and we have done in countless threads, I think this could go round and round in circles so this'll be my last post in this thread.

Further on the BIB. I have made a choice as far as illegal drugs are concerned. I've tried many in my time: through choice.

I've also been in a position to try some serious stuff - and refused - through choicer.

It's that choice thing again. I chose to limit to an occasional spliff, I chose not to try anything that could be seen as very easily addictive. It is all about choice.

[Pyramid*]

What about Alcohol? One of the primary drugs in her downfall? You made the choice to go back to that, right? She did too. And with her personality it took hold and she couldn't shake it. She failed. I have sympathy.


I never said she didn't choose to take druga initially? You are bolding two sentences that are entirely seperate in context to one another.

Again please read others posts more carefully.

I'm washing my hands of you tonight as of now.

Good to see that you are in argreement that AW did have a choice after all.

I don't need to read your posts more carefully. I asked how you thought she became involved in A class drugs? You've chosen not to reply to that - I suspect possiby because the same answer will arise: she chose to take them - regardless.

[Omah]

I think your right about celebs they themselves class themselves has super human at the end of the day, they have to do the same things we do, wash etc. also they will die, my idol was Freddie Mercury and whatever is personal life was like his music remains long after his death, I will remember him for music not his personal life.

Well, Freddie was uniquely talented and and left a massive body of exceptional work ..... :cool:

[Omah]

I don't think she's in the same league as the others in the 27 club to be honest, but it remains to be seen how she's remembered.

Exactly .....

[Pyramid*]

Well, Freddie was uniquely talented and and left a massive body of exceptional work ..... :cool:

Could not agree more. Decades of outstanding work.

[Zippy]

Further on the BIB. I have made a choice as far as illegal drugs are concerned. I've tried many in my time: through choice.

I've also been in a position to try some serious stuff - and refused - through choicer.

It's that choice thing again. I chose to limit to an occasional spliff, I chose not to try anything that could be seen as very easily addictive. It is all about choice.

LOL classic I resisted temptation so everybody else should be able to resist.

Get this: YOU are not Amy and do not have her mindset, history, personality or vulnerabilities.

But good for you. Congrats on being superior to those who succumb to temptations. Im sure youve been in many similar situations to Amy what with your Rock n roll lifestyle et al.

[letmein]

Not to her family it isn't. dead is dead no matter how it happened, people will grieve the same. Have some respect

The previous statement proclaimed that it was unbelievable that the media was still talking about Norway, and not this.

Read before you respond. Thanks.

[tmi]

Well, Freddie was uniquely talented and and left a massive body of exceptional work ..... :cool:

I know this is about Amy but had to reply, yes Freddie will never be replaced, I am avid Queen fan.:hugesmile:

[letmein]

Her best song :love:

"Tears Dry On Their Own" is a fully sampled song. It's completely unoriginal.

[tmi]

The old saying goes you can take horse to water, you cant make him drink it. I think Amy choose to take the drugs but I think perhaps she would be able to kick the habit when she wanted , but the habit was too hard too control.

[Pyramid*]

LOL classic I resisted temptation so everybody else should be able to resist.

Get this: YOU are not Amy and do not have her mindset, history, personality or vulnerabilities.

But good for you. Congrats on being superior to those who succumb to temptations. Im sure youve been in many similar situations to Amy what with your Rock n roll lifestyle et al.

oh I'm not superior....far from it. It doesn't negate me from having a non sympathetic viewpoint however.

I'm also able to post without facetious comments such as yours.

Like every other human being out there though: I am educated enough - as are most 8 year olds - as to the dangers of A class drugs. As I am sure AW was - and as are all those who chose to take such substances.

[Boothy]

Good to see that you are in argreement that AW did have a choice after all.

I don't need to read your posts more carefully. I asked how you thought she became involved in A class drugs? You've chosen not to reply to that - I suspect possiby because the same answer will arise: she chose to take them - regardless.

Amy chose to start taking drugs, yes, I don't think anyone is saying otherwise but it was not her choice to get addicted. When you started smoking were you planning on getting addicted to something that could, eventually, contribute to your death? It's a totally different argument altogether.

Now, take your nicotine addiction. Multiply that ten-fold. Mix that with someone who had obvious mental issues anyway, as proved by her eating disorders, and tell me how she had a choice to stop taking drugs.

[arista]

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2011/Jul/Week4/16036293.jpg

One Paper has her Photo.

The others
have her in small squares,

[Jordan.]

boothy >

[GiRTh]

http://twitter.com/#!/iamMarkRonson/status/94884509681590272

[Pyramid*]

Amy chose to start taking drugs, yes, I don't think anyone is saying otherwise but it was not her choice to get addicted. When you started smoking were you planning on getting addicted to something that could, eventually, contribute to your death? It's a totally different argument altogether.

Now, take your nicotine addiction. Multiply that ten-fold. Mix that with someone who had obvious mental issues anyway, as proved by her eating disorders, and tell me how she had a choice to stop taking drugs.

When I started smoking, I was very aware of the dangers. I chose to continue smoking. That choice, I was very well aware, would in all likelyhood, not kill me by smoking one too many on a Saturday afternoon when I was 27. Crucial point.

Completely moot point in the debate. AW did not die from nicotine - to continue using as a comparison is simply not worthwhile.... you are correct as you said yourself - 'It's a different argument altogether ' - so I don't know why this particular drum continues to be brought up.

Smoking fags did not kill AW.

[Boothy]

When I started smoking, I was very aware of the dangers. I chose to continue smoking.

Completely moot point in the debate. AW did not die from nicotine - to continue using as a comparison is simply not worthwhile.... you are correct as you said yourself - 'It's a different argument altogether ' - so I don't know why this particular drum continues to be brought up.

Smoking fags did not kill AW.

No, I'm not debating the potency of the drug nor am I trying to say she died from nicotine. I'm trying to get across the mental effects of addiction using a drug you're familiar with first hand.

[Pyramid*]

http://twitter.com/#!/iamMarkRonson/status/94884509681590272

I am sure that a great many people who knew her personally, will feel this way. They are perfecty entitled to feel that way.

I didnt. I don't.

[MTVN]

I think you're missing the point, the severity of the drug is irrelevant, as is whether it will kill you at 27 or 67, an addiction is still an addiction

[tmi]

When I started smoking, I was very aware of the dangers. I chose to continue smoking. That choice, I was very well aware, would in all likelyhood, not kill me by smoking one too many on a Saturday afternoon when I was 27. Crucial point.

Completely moot point in the debate. AW did not die from nicotine - to continue using as a comparison is simply not worthwhile.... you are correct as you said yourself - 'It's a different argument altogether ' - so I don't know why this particular drum continues to be brought up.

Smoking fags did not kill AW.

Nicotine is one amongst many addictivesubstances in the fags , tried rose hip fags herbal and all that.

[Boothy]

Nicotine is not the addictive stuff its the other shyte that is in the fags , tried rose hip fags herbal and all that.

You for real?

[Pyramid*]

No, I'm not debating the potency of the drug nor am I trying to say she died from nicotine. I'm trying to get across the mental effects of addiction using a drug you're familiar with first hand.

I know what you are getting at. My point is still very clear. Nicotine addiction cannot ever be compared to addiction to A class drugs.

Never in a million years. Some people are addicted to coffee. Do you want to bring that addiction into the equation? Absurd? Of course it is:but it is a perfect example of how everything is relative.

[tmi]

You for real?

Yep they add stuff to the tobacco and thats what makes the brain crave the cigs. Bit like the addictive addititives in chocolate and sweets.

[Stu]

Nicotine is not the addictive stuff its the other shyte that is in the fags , tried rose hip fags herbal and all that.
Nicotine is the addictive substance in Tobacco products.

Bloody hell. You have to be taking the mick biscuit, right?

I know what you are getting at. My point is still very clear. Nicotine addiction cannot ever be compared to addiction to A class drugs.

Never in a million years. Some people are addicted to coffee. Do you want to bring that addiction into the equation? Absurd? Of course it is:but it is a perfect example of how everything is relative.
Who hands over note after note for twenty cups of coffee a day because they have to?

Boothy's comparison is entirely relevant. Cigarettes could kill you gradually. Crack and Heroin could kill you instantly. Both are extremely addictive.

You could stop smoking. Amy could have stopped shooting up/hitting the pipe.

Stop trying to cover for your own addiction. It's an addiction just like Amy's. Only hers was more immediate and instantly devestating.

It's a valid comparison. Again take your own tobacco addiction - my own tobacco addiction - and multiply it by a thousand. Surely you can see where we are coming from?

[Boothy]

I know what you are getting at. My point is still very clear. Nicotine addiction cannot ever be compared to addiction to A class drugs.

Never in a million years. Some people are addicted to coffee. Do you want to bring that addiction into the equation? Absurd? Of course it is:but it is a perfect example of how everything is relative.

I agree, that's why I said multiply it ten-fold. You're arguing that she had a choice to stop using drugs. Mixing an addiction to drugs like crack and heroin with a vulnerable being stops all sense of reality. Drugs took over her life. She even said she was scared of dying at 27 in an interview from 2008 (the links somewhere in this thread) so she obviously knew the effects they were having on her and I'm sure she didn't WANT to die young.

Arguing that she had the choice to stop is pretty narrow-minded.

[Pyramid*]

Nicotine is not the addictive stuff its the other shyte that is in the fags , tried rose hip fags herbal and all that.

Nicotine is what makes cigarettes addictive tmi.

The other 'shyte' in fags is what causes the damage to the body - skin / organs etc


the substance acts as a stimulant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stimulant) in mammals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammal) and is the main factor responsible for the dependence-forming properties of tobacco smoking (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobacco_smoking)

[Boothy]

Yep they add stuff to the tobacco and thats what makes the brain crave the cigs. Bit like the addictive addititives in chocolate and sweets.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-o2F8olwIUyE/TdGa6hcoUHI/AAAAAAAAHbE/fOD6_ZuU4EQ/s1600/facepalm.jpg

[tmi]

Nicotine is the addictive substance in Tobacco products.

Bloody hell. You have to be taking the mick biscuit, right?


Who hands over note after note for twenty cups of coffee a day because they have to?

Boothy's comparison is entirely relevant. Cigarettes could kill you gradually. Crack and Heroin could kill you instantly. Both are extremely addictive.

You could stop smoking. Amy could have stopped shooting up/hitting the pipe.

Stop trying to cover for your own addiction. It's an addiction just like Amy's.

Next time you have cig read the label it is just not the nicotine that is addictive it is the other things as well. Toxins they add.

bib I will have tea with mine ,coffee is addictive, I know someone who is addicted to diet coke. It is all about the substance they add to products.

[Zippy]

I know someone who is addicted to diet coke.

:joker:

or so they claim

[tmi]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-o2F8olwIUyE/TdGa6hcoUHI/AAAAAAAAHbE/fOD6_ZuU4EQ/s1600/facepalm.jpg










A little sincerity is a dangerous thing, and a great deal of it is absolutely fatal.


:joker:

[Pyramid*]

Nicotine is the addictive substance in Tobacco products.

Bloody hell. You have to be taking the mick biscuit, right?


Who hands over note after note for twenty cups of coffee a day because they have to?

Boothy's comparison is entirely relevant. Cigarettes could kill you gradually. Crack and Heroin could kill you instantly. Both are extremely addictive.

You could stop smoking. Amy could have stopped shooting up/hitting the pipe.

Stop trying to cover for your own addiction. It's an addiction just like Amy's. Only hers was more immediate and instantly devestating.


How am I trying to cover up for my own addiction? am I sneaking around the forum having a fly puff in the crevices of the sub-sections that never hit the front pages or something? :laugh2:

Hey: I'm still alive, kicking and posting here on tibbs - I chose an addiction that wouldn't kill me right off - I chose one that I'd get some years under my belt before I pop my clogs. It's called making an informed decision.

Furthermore: this thread is to about AW btw: and not me personally - or indeed my smoking habits.

[tmi]

:joker:

or so they claim

Well they get through 4 litres a day, no coke I mean Joke:joker:

[Stu]

Next time you have cig read the label it is just not the nicotine that is addictive it is the other things as well. Toxins they add.

bib I will have tea with mine ,coffee is addictive, I know someone who is addicted to diet coke. It is all about the substance they add to products.
Toxins are there to give flavour and preservation amonst other things.

Nicotine is what is addictive in tobacco. End of argument. Ask anyone. Smoking is simply a delivery route for a smokers nicotine addiction.

I fine the aesthetic of smoking pleasing too but at the end of the day if there is no nicotine there I don't feel the same satisfaction.

[Pyramid*]

I agree, that's why I said multiply it ten-fold. You're arguing that she had a choice to stop using drugs. Mixing an addiction to drugs like crack and heroin with a vulnerable being stops all sense of reality. Drugs took over her life. She even said she was scared of dying at 27 in an interview from 2008 (the links somewhere in this thread) so she obviously knew the effects they were having on her and I'm sure she didn't WANT to die young.

Arguing that she had the choice to stop is pretty narrow-minded.

I think you will find that the main thrust on my view - is less to do with her having the choice to stop - but FAR MORE on the clear fact that she had the choice to (a) not start (b) stop before addiction set in.

My view is not narrow minded. It's brutally honest and factual one.

[Vicky.]

:joker:

or so they claim

Not that odd. I do know someone addicted to coke. (cola)

I think its the caffeine though. If she doesnt have at least 4 litres a day she actually starts shaking and getting headaches and that :/

[Omah]

http://www.quit-smoking-stop.com/harmful-chemicals-in-cigarettes.html

Nicotine
(insecticide/addictive drug)

One of the most addictive substances known to man, a powerful and fast-acting medical and non-medical poison.
This is the chemical which causes addiction.

I found out how powerful when I OD'd on patches when I was giving up smoking - I started "tripping" ..... :eek:

[Boothy]

Not that odd. I do know someone addicted to coke. (cola)

I think its the caffeine though. If she doesnt have at least 4 litres a day she actually starts shaking and getting headaches and that :/

This happens to my mum if she doesn't have enough caffeine. She's actually getting worried now and trying to stop buying coke. (cola) :joker:

[tmi]

Not that odd. I do know someone addicted to coke. (cola)

I think its the caffeine though. If she doesnt have at least 4 litres a day she actually starts shaking and getting headaches and that :/

Yes the person I know does as well, I also know a person addictive to coffee and they have ten cups everyday, when I have drunk more than three in any given time I have shakes. I like my tea.

[Stu]

How am I trying to cover up for my own addiction? am I sneaking around the forum having a fly puff in the crevices of the sub-sections that never hit the front pages or something? :laugh2:

Hey: I'm still alive, kicking and posting here on tibbs - I chose an addiction that wouldn't kill me right off - I chose one that I'd get some years under my belt before I pop my clogs. It's called making an informed decision.

Furthermore: this thread is to about AW btw: and not me personally - or indeed my smoking habits.
If you genuinly volunteered to be addicted to Nicotine then you are a fool. As are my.

Nobody chooses to be addicted to Nicotine. Can you remember the first cigarette where you became addicted? No?

Amy Winehouse didn't choose to be addicted to Crack or Heroin. Or Alcohol for that matter. She was a tragic being who dabbled in the wrong stuff and found out she couldn't get the better of it.

I haven't taken Crack but I've smoked Heroin. Not twice. Once. I wouldn't admit to it lightly. I could have gotten hooked off that one experience. It was absoloute heaven for fifteen minutes. I was told one experience could not get you addicted and that was true in my experience but ... I've got the better of it. I never went back. It hooked her. Drugs can hook you like that. I've railed my fair share of speed and coke too. And I've never felt the urge to go on. I knew when enoughb was enough. That's my body chemistry. You can't predict others.

Just like that certain unknown cigarette that hooked both you and I.

[tmi]

http://www.quit-smoking-stop.com/harmful-chemicals-in-cigarettes.html



I found out how powerful when I OD'd on patches when I was giving up smoking - I started "tripping" ..... :eek:

I know someone who wore 4 patches smoked a cig at same time, he was shaking and vomiting.:shocked:

[Zippy]

My view is not narrow minded. It's brutally honest and factual one.

Your views are always incredibly narrow minded. And certainly not factual.

Truth is you don't even know how she became addicted(could've been spiked which is a common way of getting people hooked against their will). You also don't know how capable she was of resisting certain temptations. You do not know her demons.

So no, facts have nothing to do with it. You just lack empathy, sympathy, understanding and compassion. That much is apparent.

[tmi]

Your views are always incredibly narrow minded. And certainly not factual.

Truth is you don't even know how she became addicted(could've been spiked which is a common way of getting people hooked against their will). You also don't know how capable she was of resisting certain temptations. You do not know her demons.

So no, facts have nothing to do with it. You just lack empathy, sympathy, understanding and compassion. That much is apparent.

bib I would disagree with that about Mid, but it is your opnion and you can choose to say what you want, but dont expect everyone to agree.

[tmi]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/393075.stm

[Boothy]

I think you will find that the main thrust on my view - is less to do with her having the choice to stop - but FAR MORE on the clear fact that she had the choice to (a) not start (b) stop before addiction set in.

My view is not narrow minded. It's brutally honest and factual one.

Again, she didn't choose to become addicted. It's not a case of 'oh, one more hit and I'll be addicted, better not do it then', it's a gradual build up over time. I'm not saying what she did wasn't stupid nor her fault in some way, but I do feel sorry for her.

Maybe she shouldn't have started but that's more to do with the lifestyle she was leading. Being thrown head-first fame and money makes people do stupid things. That combined with the fact she's the sort of person to give into peer-pressure due to her weak mental state is a recipe for disaster. It's not entirely her fault.

You can't say your point is factual because it's not. There were many contributing factors which lead to her downfall. She was obviously a very complex individual and probably lived an extremely unsatisfying life. I find it pretty sad that people will just lap up what the media have told them and go telling the world how bad a person she was.

Ftr, I'm not and have never been a fan of her music. I just think some of the things people are saying about her are plain wrong.

[Ramsay]

when i found out earlier i wasent really surprised ..kind of expected
RIP
pete doherty next :(
another member of the 27 club

[Shaun]

just a small question but what does "bib" stand for? I've seen it used quite often and not really known why.

[Pyramid*]

If you genuinly volunteered to be addicted to Nicotine then you are a fool. As are my.

Nobody chooses to be addicted to Nicotine. Can you remember the first cigarette where you became addicted? No?

Amy Winehouse didn't choose to be addicted to Crack or Heroin. Or Alcohol for that matter. She was a tragic being who dabbled in the wrong stuff and found out she couldn't get the better of it.

I haven't taken Crack but I've smoked Heroin. Not twice. Once. I wouldn't admit to it lightly. I could have gotten hooked off that one experience. It was absoloute heaven for fifteen minutes. I was told one experience could not get you addicted and that was true in my experience but ... I've got the better of it. I never went back. It hooked her. Drugs can hook you like that. I've railed my fair share of speed and coke too. And I've never felt the urge to go on. I knew when enoughb was enough. That's my body chemistry. You can't predict others.

Just like that certain unknown cigarette that hooked both you and I.

The difference between you and I Stu - I wouldn't touch anything like Heroin - not with a bargepole. I consider my life (smoking fags or not) to be far more important to me, than to try something that has the potential to put me into sneaking to the chemists for my wee cup of methadone.

Like I said: this thread is not about me or my smoking habits.

[Vicky.]

just a small question but what does "bib" stand for? I've seen it used quite often and not really known why.

Bit in bold :p

[Pyramid*]

Your views are always incredibly narrow minded. And certainly not factual.

Truth is you don't even know how she became addicted(could've been spiked which is a common way of getting people hooked against their will). You also don't know how capable she was of resisting certain temptations. You do not know her demons.

So no, facts have nothing to do with it. You just lack empathy, sympathy, understanding and compassion. That much is apparent.

Here's the truth. I do not give a hoot as to how, why, or with whom, she became addicted.

She made her choice. Why should I have any compassion, empathy, sympathy etc. It was her choice. Doesn't impact upon me or my life.

Are you telling me that you knew her personally that you are able to know
how capable she was of resisting certain temptations? What demons did she have? Did she confide in you personally.?

if the answer to those questions is a No. You're not any position to find fault with my opinions.

You might not like them, you might not agree with them: that's something called having a difference of opinion - another fact.

[Boothy]

My view is not narrow minded. It's brutally honest and factual one.

You're not any position to find fault with my opinions.

You might not like them, you might not agree with them: that's something called having a difference of opinion - another fact.

So your view is an opinion, not fact?

[Pyramid*]

So your view is an opinion, not fact?

In the context of the quotes you used: yes. Opposing views is quite commonly known as having a difference of opinion. Yes, therefore, it is fact.

[Shaun]

Bit in bold :p

Thanks :p good to get a coherent answer.

[tmi]

Daily star (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/ourpaper/view/2011-07-24)
Daily mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html)
The sun (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3711373/Amy-Winehouse-found-dead.html)

[Benjamin]

Such a shame one of the few very talented artists that we have around at the monet has gone. :sad:

[joeysteele]

I think you will find that the main thrust on my view - is less to do with her having the choice to stop - but FAR MORE on the clear fact that she had the choice to (a) not start (b) stop before addiction set in.

My view is not narrow minded. It's brutally honest and factual one.

You are correct in what you are saying Pyramid, brutally honest and factual is the simple truth that Amy could have and should have stopped taking the hard drugs and also stopped the drinking too, however as you say, she also had the choice to not only try or not to try them or dabble in them but not to come to in any way depend on them.

She did, I think she also surrounded herself with like minded people and as I said earlier, I was not in the least surprised to learn she had died, its the road she flung herself on, ignoring her Father and others,preferring to continue a lifestyle dependent on drugs and drink and the result is, as she has been warned on many occasions, that it would lead to tragedy.

A bit sooner than likely expected but she pressed the self destruct button and didn't want to listen to anyone advising her of the need to stop and sort herself out.

The other simple truth is, a few cigarettes and a few drinks often rather than what she chose to do and take and she'd still be here now.

[Ninastar]

okay major deja vu then

[Zippy]

So your view is an opinion, not fact?

thankyou

she clearly doesn't know the difference she's so full of herself.

Unlike her Im not claiming factual content regards Amy. Looking through this thread its clear her opinions are nothing but sweeping generalisations about drug addicts. Nothing more.

Facts my arse.

[tmi]

I think I better go before I say something I will regret, pity other people didnt do the same.
Happy hols.

[tmi]

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Wicca%20&%20Witchcraft/peace_4.jpg:xyxwave:

[Boothy]

The mods have been in :suspect:

[tmi]

Rwy'n credu fy mod yn well gadael ar hyn o bryd cyn i mi fynd i unrhyw ddyfnach:xyxwave:

[Ninastar]

Amy Winehouse tribute on Viva.

[Pyramid*]

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Wicca%20&%20Witchcraft/peace_4.jpg:xyxwave:


lol. You are as mad as a hatter....and this post is why I love you to bits!!

[tmi]

lol. You are as mad as a hatter....and this post is why I love you to bits!!

Actions louder than words I thought ds was bad, bloody hell:joker:

[Pyramid*]

You are correct in what you are saying Pyramid, brutally honest and factual is the simple truth that Amy could have and should have stopped taking the hard drugs and also stopped the drinking too, however as you say, she also had the choice to not only try or not to try them or dabble in them but not to come to in any way depend on them.

She did, I think she also surrounded herself with like minded people and as I said earlier, I was not in the least surprised to learn she had died, its the road she flung herself on, ignoring her Father and others,preferring to continue a lifestyle dependent on drugs and drink and the result is, as she has been warned on many occasions, that it would lead to tragedy.

A bit sooner than likely expected but she pressed the self destruct button and didn't want to listen to anyone advising her of the need to stop and sort herself out.

The other simple truth is, a few cigarettes and a few drinks often rather than what she chose to do and take and she'd still be here now.

Another of your typically robust, intelligent, incredibly astute and well rounded posts Joey.

[Saph]

on sky news again now

[Zippy]

she actually looks happy in her last appearance on stage

bless

[Grimnir]

is it another druggie overdose?

its hard to be sympathetic when people don't learn especially rich famous artists who have no reason whatsoever to do drugs

they should do a hard hitting advert with pictures of heath ledger, river phoenix, amy winehouse and whoever else

DON'T DO DRUGS OR YOU WILL DIE

they choose to do the drugs knowing the risks thinking its cool and trendy

is it cool and trendy to die frothing at the mouth?

[InOne]

Wow epic read lol

I just think nobody deserves to die the way she did and it's very tragic. Maybe it's true some people can't be helped. I don't think I could be totally cold with drug addicts, I've watched loads of docs and I live around quite a few addicts, seeing people slumped out on the street isn't nice.

At least she will get a decent send off

[Vicky.]

can people please remember that while others are bound to have differing views...its not acceptable to insult them over them :)

Debate, fair enough, but out and out insults arent ok.


Sick of cleaning this thread D:

[Boothy]

why is it daft to say you shouldn't do drugs?

maybe if you are a druggie you find it daft

Different strokes for different folks. Maybe they enjoy it.

Who are you to tell people what they should and shouldn't do?

[Grimnir]

Different strokes for different folks. Maybe they enjoy it.

Who are you to tell people what they should and shouldn't do?

people can do what they like

i am talking about warning people about the risks

they can choose to stay away from drugs

or they can choose to be a druggie

don't expect sympathy from me though when you overdose

i don't care

[Shaun]

She's currently on top of the US iTunes album chart, and both of her albums are in the top 10 here and in the US. I don't know about other countries.

[Stu]

they can choose to stay away from drugs

or they can choose to be a druggie
DON'T DO DRUGS OR YOU WILL DIE
It's that simple is it?

My turn for CAPS : ONLY A TINY MINORITY OF DRUG USERS DIE FROM THEIR DRUG USE.

[Lewis.]

She's currently on top of the US iTunes album chart, and both of her albums are in the top 10 here and in the US. I don't know about other countries.

Really :shocked: Good for her I suppose. She may have lived a turbulent life and made the wrong decisions but there's no doubting the fact that she's an awesome musician.

[Marc]

Back to Black is No.1 in the UK iTunes chart

[Ninastar]

yay :)

[Marc]

This thread needs a serious clean up. Not of people's opinions but of strong and offensive things

[Marc]

and Back to Black the single is No.16

[Marc]

Rehab 36, Tears Dry on Their Own 42, You Know I'm No Good 56, Valerie 65

[Livia]

So sad to read about her this morning. And sad to read some of the posts on here last night. I hope those who showed no compassion but felt compelled to give us their two cents, never have someone they love become an addict. Then they can continue sharing their opinions with all the comfort of certainty that ignorance allows them.

[Marc]

I have never taken drugs or have I ever had anybody close to me become addicted to drugs. However my aunt did die of alcoholism I guess an addiction is an addiction and they are similar.

But I guess being so far into an addiction is must be so hard to get out of it, especially if you're that famous and have all that money to hand. I feel for her family, as it can't have been easy to see a loved one like that just disintegrate in front of them.

All that aside, her music was sensational and she will always be remembered (if not primarily) for her musical talents. R.I.P Amy

[Jack_]

Russell Brand has written a little blog about Amy:

For Amy

July 24th, 2011

When you love someone who suffers from the disease of addiction you await the phone call. There will be a phone call. The sincere hope is that the call will be from the addict themselves, telling you they’ve had enough, that they’re ready to stop, ready to try something new. Of course though, you fear the other call, the sad nocturnal chime from a friend or relative telling you it’s too late, she’s gone.

Frustratingly it’s not a call you can ever make it must be received. It is impossible to intervene.

I’ve known Amy Winehouse for years. When I first met her around Camden she was just some twit in a pink satin jacket shuffling round bars with mutual friends, most of whom were in cool Indie bands or peripheral Camden figures Withnail-ing their way through life on impotent charisma. Carl Barrat told me that “Winehouse” (which I usually called her and got a kick out of cos it’s kind of funny to call a girl by her surname) was a jazz singer, which struck me as a bizarrely anomalous in that crowd. To me with my limited musical knowledge this information placed Amy beyond an invisible boundary of relevance; “Jazz singer? She must be some kind of eccentric” I thought. I chatted to her anyway though, she was after all, a girl, and she was sweet and peculiar but most of all vulnerable.

I was myself at that time barely out of rehab and was thirstily seeking less complicated women so I barely reflected on the now glaringly obvious fact that Winehouse and I shared an affliction, the disease of addiction. All addicts, regardless of the substance or their social status share a consistent and obvious symptom; they’re not quite present when you talk to them. They communicate to you through a barely discernible but un-ignorable veil. Whether a homeless smack head troubling you for 50p for a cup of tea or a coked-up, pinstriped exec foaming off about his “speedboat” there is a toxic aura that prevents connection. They have about them the air of elsewhere, that they’re looking through you to somewhere else they’d rather be. And of course they are. The priority of any addict is to anaesthetise the pain of living to ease the passage of the day with some purchased relief.

From time to time I’d bump into Amy she had good banter so we could chat a bit and have a laugh, she was “a character” but that world was riddled with half cut, doped up chancers, I was one of them, even in early recovery I was kept afloat only by clinging to the bodies of strangers so Winehouse, but for her gentle quirks didn’t especially register.

Then she became massively famous and I was pleased to see her acknowledged but mostly baffled because I’d not experienced her work and this not being the 1950’s I wondered how a “jazz singer” had achieved such cultural prominence. I wasn’t curious enough to do anything so extreme as listen to her music or go to one of her gigs, I was becoming famous myself at the time and that was an all consuming experience. It was only by chance that I attended a Paul Weller gig at the Roundhouse that I ever saw her live.

I arrived late and as I made my way to the audience through the plastic smiles and plastic cups I heard the rolling, wondrous resonance of a female vocal. Entering the space I saw Amy on stage with Weller and his band; and then the awe. The awe that envelops when witnessing a genius. From her oddly dainty presence that voice, a voice that seemed not to come from her but from somewhere beyond even Billie and Ella, from the font of all greatness. A voice that was filled with such power and pain that it was at once entirely human yet laced with the divine. My ears, my mouth, my heart and mind all instantly opened. Winehouse. Winehouse? Winehouse! That twerp, all eyeliner and lager dithering up Chalk Farm Road under a back-combed barnet, the lips that I’d only seen clenching a fishwife fag and dribbling curses now a portal for this holy sound. So now I knew. She wasn’t just some hapless wannabe, yet another pissed up nit who was never gonna make it, nor was she even a ten-a-penny-chanteuse enjoying her fifteen minutes. She was a ****ing genius.

Shallow fool that I am I now regarded her in a different light, the light that blazed down from heaven when she sang. That lit her up now and a new phase in our friendship began. She came on a few of my TV and radio shows, I still saw her about but now attended to her with a little more interest. Publicly though, Amy increasingly became defined by her addiction. Our media though is more interested in tragedy than talent, so the ink began to defect from praising her gift to chronicling her downfall. The destructive personal relationships, the blood soaked ballet slippers, the aborted shows, that youtube madness with the baby mice. In the public perception this ephemeral tittle-tattle replaced her timeless talent. This and her manner in our occasional meetings brought home to me the severity of her condition. Addiction is a serious disease; it will end with jail, mental institutions or death. I was 27 years old when through the friendship and help of Chip Somers of the treatment centre, Focus12 I found recovery, through Focus I was introduced to support fellowships for alcoholics and drug addicts which are very easy to find and open to anybody with a desire to stop drinking and without which I would not be alive.

Now Amy Winehouse is dead, like many others whose unnecessary deaths have been retrospectively romanticised, at 27 years old. Whether this tragedy was preventable or not is now irrelevant. It is not preventable today. We have lost a beautiful and talented woman to this disease. Not all addicts have Amy’s incredible talent. Or Kurt’s or Jimi’s or Janis’s, some people just get the affliction. All we can do is adapt the way we view this condition, not as a crime or a romantic affectation but as a disease that will kill. We need to review the way society treats addicts, not as criminals but as sick people in need of care. We need to look at the way our government funds rehabilitation. It is cheaper to rehabilitate an addict than to send them to prison, so criminalisation doesn’t even make economic sense. Not all of us know someone with the incredible talent that Amy had but we all know drunks and junkies and they all need help and the help is out there. All they have to do is pick up the phone and make the call. Or not. Either way, there will be a phone call.

http://www.russellbrand.tv/2011/07/for-amy/

[Jords]

Back to Black #1 on iTunes albums :)

[Benjamin]

I do - I had to contest the description of Winehouse as a "legend" .....



Not from me .....


In the music industry she was seen as a legend though. She is the reason a lot of female artists are where they are today as her sense of music, vocals and fashion inspired and altered quite a bit in the music world and helped several other artists break into the business.

[Pyramid*]

Back to Black #1 on iTunes albums :)

Is this 'new' or has it been at the position for many months?

[Callum]

Is this 'new' or has it been at the position for many months?

Only been #1 since this morning

[Zippy]

A lot of people will be hearing her music now on all the various media reports of her death. Plus music channels are playing endless tributes to her. As they should.

So obviously its gonna spark new interest in her music. Especially since people realise thats all the music we will ever get from her now. *sob*

[Pyramid*]

A lot of people will be hearing her music now on all the various media reports of her death. Plus music channels are playing endless tributes to her. As they should.

So obviously its gonna spark new interest in her music.......

A fair point and a good one.

[Zippy]

Well, Freddie was uniquely talented and and left a massive body of exceptional work ..... :cool:

Freddie was around for a damn sight longer than Amy and was also part of a group who helped him get where he was.

Yes he is a legend and an icon. But guess what?

So is Amy Winehouse!

Truth is, legendary status is something that grows over time after somebodies death. But Amy is well on her way. If you don't want to view her as one thats your problem.

[Zippy]

yeah whatever, go have a fag, Pyramid.

and have a look at this whilst puffing away...

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[Captain.Remy]

Guess it's too late for rebab now...

[Vicky.]

So obviously its gonna spark new interest in her music. Especially since people realise thats all the music we will ever get from her now. *sob*

I doubt that very much.

When musicians die, all of a sudden they have loads of unreleased stuff dying to come out and make the management more money. Look at tupac. Still releasing songs.

[Pyramid*]

I doubt that very much.

When musicians die, all of a sudden they have loads of unreleased stuff dying to come out and make the management more money. Look at tupac. Still releasing songs.

Incredibly good point Vicky.

[Zippy]

I doubt that very much.

When musicians die, all of a sudden they have loads of unreleased stuff dying to come out and make the management more money. Look at tupac. Still releasing songs.

well thats true. But us fans know we aint gonna be getting anything new. Re-packaged or re-produced music of old is all well and good but not the same as fresh material at all. All this Michael Jackson stuff coming out is not even good enough to do him justice imo.

But yeah, thats all about making money for the businessmen.

[tmi]

I would like to ask a few questions,


If you are addicted to food, does that mean it is a disease?

f you are addicted to booze , does that mean it is a disease?

If Your addicted to drugs , does that mean it is a disease.


If someone has cancer is that a disease?


Tbh I cannot comprehend that addictions are diseases.

People are not addicts from birth, unless they're mother was using while carrying.


People choose to be an addict you cant choose whether you have cancer (the disease) otherwise people would choose not to have it.

People do have a choice whether to be addict.


People turn to all sorts of crutches when life throws them a rough deal at them ie food , boose, drugs. Someone once said you dont know if your alcoholic until you have your first sip. I read somewhere a woman had a gastric band and lost 14stone, she then became addicted to booze, she indeed needed a crutch, perhaps you should treat the reason people have addiction . Most addicts have a reason for taking drugs.

[tmi]

When someone posted the management make money from re - releasing stuff aint that the truth. Amy wont see the rewards.

[Boothy]

I would like to ask a few questions,


If you are addicted to food, does that mean it is a disease?

f you are addicted to booze , does that mean it is a disease?

If Your addicted to drugs , does that mean it is a disease.


If someone has cancer is that a disease?


Tbh I cannot comprehend that addictions are diseases.

People are not addicts from birth, unless they're mother was using while carrying.


People choose to be an addict you cant choose whether you have cancer (the disease) otherwise people would choose not to have it.

People do have a choice whether to be addict.


People turn to all sorts of crutches when life throws them a rough deal at them ie food , boose, drugs. Someone once said you dont know if your alcoholic until you have your first sip. I read somewhere a woman had a gastric band and lost 14stone, she then became addicted to booze, she indeed needed a crutch, perhaps you should treat the reason people have addiction . Most addicts have a reason for taking drugs.

But people don't chose to be addicts. That's the point. You think Amy wanted to be lying facedown in her own vomit wondering where her next hit of heroin was gonna come from?

It's not a physical disease like cancer but it's definitely a mental one. She didn't wake up one day and decide 'Oh, I'm gonna become a crack addict today'. But through her own personal life experiences, the people she associated with and naivety, her drug use gradually got more and more out of control.

I'm not trying to say she should be seen as a role model, far from it, but I don't think it's fair to say that her death was totally self inflicted. She was in and out of rehab so it's obvious she knew she was messed up. But addiction alters the mind. Unless you've been there, I don't think anyone, myself included, knows just how powerful it can be.

And not being born an addict has no bearing on anything. People aren't born with cancer.

[tmi]

But people don't chose to be addicts. That's the point. You think Amy wanted to be lying facedown in her own vomit wondering where her next hit of heroin was gonna come from?

It's not a physical disease like cancer but it's definitely a mental one. She didn't wake up one day and decide 'Oh, I'm gonna become a crack addict today'. But through her own personal life experiences, the people she associated with and naivety, her drug use gradually got more and more out of control.

I'm not trying to say she should be seen as a role model, far from it, but I don't think it's fair to say that her death was totally self inflicted. She was in and out of rehab so it's obvious she knew she was messed up. But addiction alters the mind. Unless you've been there, I don't think anyone, myself included, knows just how powerful it can be.

And not being born an addict has no bearing on anything. People aren't born with cancer.

Well according to recent research some are born with the cancer gene.
Yes all your points are valid, but for me she did choose to take drugs, but I guess the people she surrounded herself with also had addictions and that group would have been hard for her to get away from. I think that Pete bloke is heading the same way, a vunerable person hanging around with addicts is a slippery slope, I have seen with my own eyes, they try and get away but they drag them back.

[Smithy]

How about you all stop acting like 5 year olds and just be sorry that someone so talented is dead

[Claymores]

Plus music channels are playing endless tributes to her. As they should.

Why is that Zipster? Explain it to me like I'm a 5 year old. Did she break new ground during her short life or just mess it up?

[Niamh.]

How about you all stop acting like 5 year olds and just be sorry that someone so talented is dead

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkjvu6URLs1qapmfg.gif



such a waste of a life and talent. RIP :(

[Iceman]

Closed for cleaning.

[Niamh.]

Ok can you two just leave it now please, you're ruining the thread :bored:

[Iceman]

Reopened, next person who causes this thread to be closed is getting a ban, I dont care who it is.

[Callum]

Amy changed pop music forever, I remember knowing there was hope, and feeling not alone because of her. She lived jazz, she lived the blues.


Gaga pays tribute

[Doogle]

I know it would never have happened but I always thought if GaGa actually did a jazz album, Amy Winehouse would've been an amazing addition to one of the songs.

[Pyramid*]

Reopened, next person who causes this thread to be closed is getting a ban, I dont care who it is.

Can I ask a question please just to clarify what posters can and cannot post, going forward.

Given the recent posts from today that have been removed and seeing the ones that remain: is this to be regarded as more a Tribute thread, with comments of a more sympathetic and positive nature being the preferred choice.

I'm asking as I'm an unclear if any discussion surrounding the manner of AW's death is to be allowed and the impact that may have? I'd be grateful if that could be clarified please. Thanks.

[Josy]

Can I ask a question please just to clarify what posters can and cannot post, going forward.

Given the recent posts from today that have been removed and seeing the ones that remain: is this to be regarded as more a Tribute thread, with comments of a more sympathetic and positive nature being the preferred choice.

I'm asking as I'm an unclear if any discussion surrounding the manner of AW's death is to be allowed and the impact that may have? I'd be grateful if that could be clarified please. Thanks.

Members can still post their opinions, the posts that have been removed (on this page) are mostly discussing other members and not the topic of the thread.

[tmi]

Members can still post their opinions, the posts that have been removed (on this page) are mostly discussing other members and not the topic of the thread.

Thanks for the clarity.:hugesmile:

[Pyramid*]

Members can still post their opinions, the posts that have been removed (on this page) are mostly discussing other members and not the topic of the thread.

Many thanks for the clarification Josy. Appreciated.

[Lewis.]

She's doing very well in the charts :)

[Lewis.]

... just a shame it's under these circumstances :(

[Doogle]

Well she would've done amazingly had she gotten around to releasing a 3rd album.

[Pyramid*]

How well was she charting before yesterday do you know - I don't follow them.

[Smithy]

she wasnt

[Pyramid*]

Well she would've done amazingly had she gotten around to releasing a 3rd album.

I suspect that would have been determined only when the album came out and the quality of the recordings on it.

It could have been a hit like Back To Black, it could also have failed miserably. No one can say either way now.

[Zippy]

How well was she charting before yesterday do you know - I don't follow them.

she hasn't released new material for years so obviously she wasn't gonna be in the charts recently before this.

but her last album Back to black from 2006 sold 3 million in the UK alone.

[Pyramid*]

she wasnt

She wasn't figuring high in the charts? Yet it take her death to raise sales. Ironic really.

[Pyramid*]

she hasn't released new material for years so obviously she wasn't gonna be in the charts recently before this.

but her last album Back to black from 2006 sold 3 million in the UK alone.

That was over 5 years ago Zippy.

She's not realised anything new for years, her fame these past years has been nothing to do with any musical talent. She had been riding high o the crest of a 5 year old wave. Her show in Serbia a mere few weeks ago, showed that.

Wasn't long after that - 2006- that she met up with Blake and rumours being that he introduced her to the world of crack cocaine and hell knows what else - I wonder how life would have been if she'd never met him - never got involved. Would she still have gone down the same path as she eventually did.

[Zippy]

No she's been too sick to record a new album for years. Clearly too sick to perform properly too. Artist can only be judged by their last album sales...and hers were phenomenal.

*restrains self*

[tmi]

Just posting my view, Elvis still has massive sales and so do Queen, if the music is good it will stand the test of time, I've just bought Bon Jovi hits and I can be seen headbanging to you give love a bad name driving the car. Drives the relatives mad:dance:

[Shaun]

music...good...Bon Jovi? -doesn't follow this link :hugesmile:-

[Zippy]

Just posting my view, Elvis still has massive sales and so do Queen, if the music is good it will stand the test of time, I've just bought Bon Jovi hits and I can be seen headbanging to living on a prey driving the car. Drives the relatives mad:dance:

Amy is number one worldwide right now on the charts

Her music will sell strongly for decades. No doubt about it whatsoever.

[Pyramid*]

No she's been too sick to record a new album for years. Clearly too sick to perform properly too. Artist can only be judged by their last album sales...and hers were phenomenal.

*restrains self*

Does beg the question: if she's been too sick to record anything: why was she purportedly working on a 3rd album? Shouldn't she have been in serious long term recovery, with proper care, counselling, medication etc, if she has been sick for years? That would seem a reasonable thing to do if one is so sick to the point that it affects their career to the point that they cannot work.

[tmi]

Amy is number one worldwide right now on the charts

Her music will sell strongly for decades. No doubt about it whatsoever.



Time will tell my cyber mate :hugesmile:

[Stu]

living on a prey
Can you at least try?

[Pyramid*]

Just posting my view, Elvis still has massive sales and so do Queen, if the music is good it will stand the test of time, I've just bought Bon Jovi hits and I can be seen headbanging to living on a prey driving the car. Drives the relatives mad:dance:

Elvis and Freddie Mercury had been around for decades though tmi - and I don't think having continued success over decades can be compared with someone who had a relatively short success rate - pro rata.

[Zippy]

Does beg the question: if she's been too sick to record anything: why was she purportedly working on a 3rd album? Shouldn't she have been in serious long term recovery, with proper care, counselling, medication etc, if she has been sick for years? That would seem a reasonable thing to do if one is so sick to the point that it affects their career to the point that they cannot work.

well duh, of course

but attempts at recovery all obviously failed. As they often do with chronic cases of drug addiction.

Don't worry, Pyramid, she was heavily punished for her weak will and stupidity. You can relax.

[Pyramid*]

Can you at least try?

Stu. Ever considered that perhaps English is not tmi's first language?

It's a distinct possibility.

[Doogle]

Yeah but she had no reason to be in the charts? She might've been if her song was covered on BGT/XF (obviously neither of which are on currently) or heavily featured on an advert but yeah.

I still reckon her 3rd album would've done well regardless of how good it was :laugh:

[Doogle]

Yeah but she had no reason to be in the charts? She might've been if her song was covered on BGT/XF (obviously neither of which are on currently) or heavily featured on an advert but yeah.

I still reckon her 3rd album would've done well regardless of how good it was :laugh:

[tmi]

Stu. Ever considered that perhaps English is not tmi's first language?

It's a distinct possibility.

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[Stu]

Stu. Ever considered that perhaps English is not tmi's first language?

It's a distinct possibility.
What does that have to do with getting the name of an established song right?

It's hardly as if you are guessing your way through the language. It's an established pop tune that's clearly called 'living on a prayer'.

It's just lazy, really. I'll leave it at that.

[tmi]

Can you at least try?

I can (prayer) is that better, what you the english language teacher.:joker:

[Pyramid*]

well duh, of course

but attempts at recovery all obviously failed. As they often do with chronic cases of drug addiction.

Don't worry, Pyramid, she was heavily punished for her weak will and stupidity. You can relax.

I was never uptight about her or her ear ly demise to start off with, I'm quite relaxed thanks.

Rather than make this personal - let's go back to what I had asked.
When she went abroad - she was often photographed completely and utterly smashed out of her face. I'd not think that was the best was to attempt to recover.

Do you think she made enough attempts, put enough into trying to recover? I ask because the highly publiced stints in various rehabs were fleeting to say the least. Do you think she really wanted to recover, because it seems to me, that she never quite too the whole 'get dry, get sober, get clean' thing too seriously at all.

[Pyramid*]

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:nono::joker:

Sorry Pet, but sometimes, some things need to be said.

:blush:

[Zippy]

Stu. Ever considered that perhaps English is not tmi's first language?



tmi is from Wales not Kazakhstan.

And yeah, irrelevant point in regards to song titles.

[Pyramid*]

tmi is from Wales not Kazakhstan.

And yeah, irrelevant point in regards to song titles.


so what? English still may not be her first language.

And yeah, irrelevant point in regards to song titles.

[tmi]

I think better leave right now before it goes any further been nice, I dont like bully boy tactics. I am a newbie to Tibbs and it was nice for a while but then some people dont understand the right to different opnions. I think one spelling mistake or one quote should be mocked, it is a forum for ffs not english Gcse exam ( I have A grade). I supose I will leave now I dont need this ****e.
I got a life.


nos da


:xyxwave:

[Pyramid*]

I think better leave right now before it goes any further been nice, I dont like bully boy tactics. I am a newbie to Tibbs and it was nice for a while but then some people dont understand the right to different opnions. I think one spelling mistake or one quote should be mocked, it is a forum for ffs not english Gcse exam ( I have A grade). I supose I will leave now I dont need this ****e.
I got a life.


nos da


:xyxwave:

:(

TMI..... email me pet. x

[joeysteele]

The really sad thing with Amy is that those who were close to her before fame came for her, all say she was dead 'against' the use of hard drugs,she always spoke against them.
It was around or between the albums that she got hooked on them.

She knew the dangers,very clearly, I obviously am extremely sad to see someone who had near all before them as to success losing their life so young, (she was only 8 years older than myself), because of abuse of alcohol and hard drugs.
She though, was against hard drugs, knew the dangers but fell into the trap of them, not helped I think by the hangers on around her who likely believed her fans loved the drugged up drunk image and that she could get away with anything on stage.

Somehow,she just could not get back to her original take on drugs which she herself was against,whether that was because she couldn't or wouldn't is something only she knew.

As to alcoholism etc being diseases,dependency on alcohol and drugs is a condition,it's the serious illnesses and complications that come because of that that brings in the term disease. No one is termed having a disease called alcoholism, but if it affects an organ/s, then,such as in Liver problems, you will then find on medical records 'alcohol related liver disease' or drug related liver disease.
The alcoholic/drugs condition becomes a disease at that point.

I feel Amy maybe didn't want help,she rejected the advice of all warning her, warnings she clearly knew herself since before her success she was dead against hard drugs.So in that she did make a choice to self destruct, yesterday that happened.

As sad as it is, some people don't want to be helped or advised and also don't want to and have no intention of, seeking medical/counselling help themselves either.The sad fact is Amy was possibly one of those people and of course that is hard to accept and sad to think of too.

[tmi]

The really sad thing with Amy is that those who were close to her before fame came for her, all say she was dead 'against' the use of hard drugs,she always spoke against them.
It was around or between the albums that she got hooked on them.

She knew the dangers,very clearly, I obviously am extremely sad to see someone who had near all before them as to success losing their life so young, (she was only 8 years older than myself), because of abuse of alcohol and hard drugs.
She though, was against hard drugs, knew the dangers but fell into the trap of them, not helped I think by the hangers on around her who likely believed her fans loved the drugged up drunk image and that she could get away with anything on stage.

Somehow,she just could not get back to her original take on drugs which she herself was against,whether that was because she couldn't or wouldn't is something only she knew.

As to alcoholism etc being diseases,dependency on alcohol and drugs is a condition,it's the serious illnesses and complications that come because of that that brings in the term disease. No one is termed having a disease called alcoholism, but if it affects an organ/s, then,such as in Liver problems, you will then find on medical records 'alcohol related liver disease' or drug related liver disease.
The alcoholic/drugs condition becomes a disease at that point.

I feel Amy maybe didn't want help,she rejected the advice of all warning her, warnings she clearly knew herself since before her success she was dead against hard drugs.So in that she did make a choice to self destruct, yesterday that happened.

As sad as it is, some people don't want to be helped or advised and also don't want to and have no intention of, seeking medical/counselling help themselves either.The sad fact is Amy was possibly one of those people and of course that is hard to accept and sad to think of too.


I came back to applaud this post. Ben is on twitter now pm if you want link. Runs away and lurke. Well said Joey.

[Zippy]

I feel Amy maybe didn't want help,she rejected the advice of all warning her, warnings she clearly knew herself since before her success she was dead against hard drugs.So in that she did make a choice to self destruct, yesterday that happened.

But its not a question of not wanting help. Its about not being capable of accepting help. Not being strong willed enough to drag herself out of a deep, dark hole.

And no she didint make a choice to self destruct. Some people are just not fit to make the right choices and can barely think straight.

You can't keep talking about choice as if it's black and white options.

[Boothy]

The really sad thing with Amy is that those who were close to her before fame came for her, all say she was dead 'against' the use of hard drugs,she always spoke against them.
It was around or between the albums that she got hooked on them.

She knew the dangers,very clearly, I obviously am extremely sad to see someone who had near all before them as to success losing their life so young, (she was only 8 years older than myself), because of abuse of alcohol and hard drugs.
She though, was against hard drugs, knew the dangers but fell into the trap of them, not helped I think by the hangers on around her who likely believed her fans loved the drugged up drunk image and that she could get away with anything on stage.

Somehow,she just could not get back to her original take on drugs which she herself was against,whether that was because she couldn't or wouldn't is something only she knew.

As to alcoholism etc being diseases,dependency on alcohol and drugs is a condition,it's the serious illnesses and complications that come because of that that brings in the term disease. No one is termed having a disease called alcoholism, but if it affects an organ/s, then,such as in Liver problems, you will then find on medical records 'alcohol related liver disease' or drug related liver disease.
The alcoholic/drugs condition becomes a disease at that point.

I feel Amy maybe didn't want help,she rejected the advice of all warning her, warnings she clearly knew herself since before her success she was dead against hard drugs.So in that she did make a choice to self destruct, yesterday that happened.

As sad as it is, some people don't want to be helped or advised and also don't want to and have no intention of, seeking medical/counselling help themselves either.The sad fact is Amy was possibly one of those people and of course that is hard to accept and sad to think of too.

This pretty much sums up my views on it, good post. Perhaps disease isn't the right word for actual addiction, but it's definitely a severe mental condition, at best, and should be viewed in the same light as a disease.

Only bit I tend to disagree with is the last couple of paragraphs. I genuinely believe she wanted help (She was in and out of rehab, afterall) but was too far gone. However, as you said, only Amy herself knows that.

[joeysteele]

I clearly cannot say for certain that Amy didn't want help, from the outside looking in, I said I felt personally that 'maybe' she didn't want help,I also said in the last paragraph Amy was 'possibly' one of the people who didn't want help either.

Zippy, you are clearly a fan of Amy and so you will feel a greater loss,I wasn't a great fan but do like a lot of her songs.I also accept what you say as to black and white, things are rarely black or white,there are so many grey areas in all things.

I would though dare bet that before Amy herself got into the mess that is hard drugs and uncontrolled drinking,she would likely have said to people on that path when she saw them, for them not to press the self destruct button and continue on that road.

[Zippy]

I would though dare bet that before Amy herself got into the mess that is hard drugs and uncontrolled drinking,she would likely have said to people on that path when she saw them, for them not to press the self destruct button and continue on that road.

well yes but a sad fact of life is that we're all better at giving good advice than applying it to self.

Point is, Amy did not want to be a slave to drugs and did not want to die. So it seems silly to keep implying she chose this outcome. Drugs took hold and fcked her up. As they can.

[Pyramid*]

The really sad thing with Amy is that those who were close to her before fame came for her, all say she was dead 'against' the use of hard drugs,she always spoke against them.
It was around or between the albums that she got hooked on them.

She knew the dangers,very clearly, I obviously am extremely sad to see someone who had near all before them as to success losing their life so young, (she was only 8 years older than myself), because of abuse of alcohol and hard drugs.
She though, was against hard drugs, knew the dangers but fell into the trap of them, not helped I think by the hangers on around her who likely believed her fans loved the drugged up drunk image and that she could get away with anything on stage.

Somehow,she just could not get back to her original take on drugs which she herself was against,whether that was because she couldn't or wouldn't is something only she knew.

As to alcoholism etc being diseases,dependency on alcohol and drugs is a condition,it's the serious illnesses and complications that come because of that that brings in the term disease. No one is termed having a disease called alcoholism, but if it affects an organ/s, then,such as in Liver problems, you will then find on medical records 'alcohol related liver disease' or drug related liver disease.
The alcoholic/drugs condition becomes a disease at that point.

I feel Amy maybe didn't want help,she rejected the advice of all warning her, warnings she clearly knew herself since before her success she was dead against hard drugs.So in that she did make a choice to self destruct, yesterday that happened.

As sad as it is, some people don't want to be helped or advised and also don't want to and have no intention of, seeking medical/counselling help themselves either.The sad fact is Amy was possibly one of those people and of course that is hard to accept and sad to think of too.

Once more Joey - you continue to post in the most pleasant manner, in addressing the issues that not everyone perhaps want to consider. I've been viewing pics of her just as she began to get noticed - see the DM - in 2004, she was quirkily good looking, incredibly healthy looking, well fed and with a body that many women would kill for.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2018025/Amy-Winehouse-dead-Rapid-rise-tragic-fall-deeply-flawed-prodigy.html

A few short years later, and we are talking of only a few years, not a decade or two...as the pics show - and in those pics, the before and after - the damage is clear to see.

[Pyramid*]

This pretty much sums up my views on it, good post. Perhaps disease isn't the right word for actual addiction, but it's definitely a severe mental condition, at best, and should be viewed in the same light as a disease.

Only bit I tend to disagree with is the last couple of paragraphs. I genuinely believe she wanted help (She was in and out of rehab, afterall) but was too far gone. However, as you said, only Amy herself knows that.

The drugs that bring about the addiction tend to be the cause of the mental illness that follows such substances being taken, all the more so, when taken in great quantities.

Given that she allegedly is reported to have had depression -- for which she 'allegedly' refused to take medication for - but instead, chose to opt for filling her body with extreme quantities of highly damaging and addictive drugs - it's only to be expected that the brain is likely to be even more disfunctional when pumped with all nature of substances for which the body was not designed for.

[joeysteele]

Once more Joey - you continue to post in the most pleasant manner, in addressing the issues that not everyone perhaps want to consider. I've been viewing pics of her just as she began to get noticed - see the DM - in 2004, she was quirkily good looking, incredibly healthy looking, well fed and with a body that many women would kill for.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2018025/Amy-Winehouse-dead-Rapid-rise-tragic-fall-deeply-flawed-prodigy.html

A few short years later, and we are talking of only a few years, not a decade or two...as the pics show - and in those pics, the before and after - the damage is clear to see.

Thank you Pyramid for your kind words there, as you have seen looking back over her life, she was a full of life individual who looked and likely was very healthy.

It is said she turned to hard drugs around or between the 2 major albums and from there was on a massively dangerous downhill road afterwards.

[Pyramid*]

well yes but a sad fact of life is that we're all better at giving good advice than applying it to self.

Point is, Amy did not want to be a slave to drugs and did not want to die. So it seems silly to keep implying she chose this outcome. Drugs took hold and fcked her up. As they can.


You know as much as any of us do in respect of what she wanted or not. You have nothing to prove that she did not want to be a slave to drugs, and did not want to die Zippy.

She was clearly very, very unhappy - who is to say that this overdose was not intentional. I wouldn't be at all surprised if that was the case.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Amy- was so shocked. :(

I'm not going to sit here and pretend I knew her demons or what drove her towards her demons. I'll just say terrible loss. Gone too soon. All those friends pouring their hearts out now, where were you when she really needed you? And I find it funny that while crying outside her house, Aislyene was still able to twit

RIP

I feel more sympathy for her than I did Ryan Dunn though

[Zippy]

And I find it funny that while crying outside her house, Aislyene was still able to twit

BB Aisleyne?

[Boothy]

BB Aisleyne?

Yeah. She just posted "****" about 10 times.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

BB Aisleyne?

Yes. If you look at her twits. I thought she posted them after, but apparently she posted them while she was outside the house. You can see her pics on dailymail.com

[Beastie]

I was a bit shocked when I heard it on the radio yesterday.

But sadly it was coming. It's the price of fame. Hanging around people who give you drugs.

But I am not that upset. Millions of people die everyday.

Thanks for the music anyway Amy! We have lost a good talent. Not that she would actually make another successful albulm or anything. She became off her trot!

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

People keep saying " I saw it coming" really? Deep down I was hoping she was going to pull out of this.

Now i'm worried about Rhys meyers. Please god save those beautiful blue eyes. He's too pretty. :(

[Zippy]

It's sad she's dead but at least she isn't suffering any longer

And in death her music will become even more popular and her rep as a music legend will grow and grow. Musically at least, she went out on top.

[InOne]

It's sad she's dead but at least she isn't suffering any longer

And in death her music will become even more popular and her rep as a music legend will grow and grow. Musically at least, she went out on top.

It's just a shame she didn't make more great music and let drugs take over early in her career

[Zippy]

It's just a shame she didn't make more great music and let drugs take over early in her career

true but history is full of flawed artists and geniuses who met an early grizzly end. There seems to be some correlation.

I guess to sing real soul you do need that darkness inside. Can't see Mariah meeting an early death.

[joeysteele]

People keep saying " I saw it coming" really? Deep down I was hoping she was going to pull out of this.

Now i'm worried about Rhys meyers. Please god save those beautiful blue eyes. He's too pretty. :(

Jonathan Rhys Meyer is a brilliant actor and he is going through a very painful time at present too.

Sometimes it seems once projected right into the showbusiness glare, for all the success that brings all the negatives come into play too.
Amy is testament to that, I hadn't realised she was so against hard drugs etc before her big albums came along.

[Toxic]

So sad, she was such a great British talent :(

'Back To Black' is one of the great albums of our time.

[Jordan.]

The police found no drugs in her flat, looks like she drank herself to death :(

[Chuck]

:shocked:

[joeysteele]

We should learn more after the post mortem today.

[Livia]

We should learn more after the post mortem today.

I wondered whether there would be a post mortem. It's not really done in Judaism except when ordered under British law. But I guess they will have to find out exactly how she died, and it's not like she and her family were particularly devout.

[Crimson Dynamo]

A couple of good songs, you could say that about thousands of artists. Every time i saw her live she stunk.

Its sad that a wee girl died but lets not go over board and say she was a leg end.

[Zippy]

A couple of good songs, you could say that about thousands of artists. Every time i saw her live she stunk.

Its sad that a wee girl died but lets not go over board and say she was a leg end.

A couple? well thats just your opinion

Ive been listening to several classics of hers today. But hey, if youre not a fan youre not a fan. Not wasting time arguing about subjective opinion.

Her album is top of 17 countires today so her global status is apparent.

ps; and everytime you saw her live? yeah you really sound like a fan. There are many videos of her live brilliance.

[Omah]

A couple of good songs, you could say that about thousands of artists. Every time i saw her live she stunk.

Its sad that a wee girl died but lets not go over board and say she was a leg end.

I tend to agree ..... ;)

[Livia]

I tend to agree ..... ;)

it would be a very dull world if we all admired the same people, wouldn't it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

it would be a very dull world if we all admired the same people, wouldn't it.

It would and someone should tell that to the radio station djs and minor celebrities

[Livia]

It would and someone should tell that to the radio station djs and minor celebrities

I nominate... you.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I nominate... you.

I have to get a tick from the dogs tummy later or i would be right on it

[Crimson Dynamo]

A couple? well thats just your opinion

Ive been listening to several classics of hers today. But hey, if youre not a fan youre not a fan. Not wasting time arguing about subjective opinion.

Her album is top of 17 countires today so her global status is apparent.

ps; and everytime you saw her live? yeah you really sound like a fan. There are many videos of her live brilliance.

And there are many more videos of her rubbish mumbling performances.

[joeysteele]

And there are many more videos of her rubbish mumbling performances.

I am not a great fan of Amy but I do believe she has made some good recordings,I can't say in fairness that I have seen any videos of her that could be termed rubbish.

I know people who have seen her 'live' and they were never disappointed, the recent comeback concert in Serbia is not a performance to judge her on overall.

Having said all that, all artistes make good and not so good videos and also sometimes have the off 'live' performance too.

[Omah]

it would be a very dull world if we all admired the same people, wouldn't it.

Exactly, "to each his own" ..... :)

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-14285327

Amy Winehouse's funeral will take place on Tuesday attended by just family and friends, a spokesman for her family has said.

A post-mortem examination into her death took place on Monday.

No cause of death has been given, while an inquest was opened and adjourned until 26 October. Results of further toxicology tests could take four weeks.

But police have declined to say whether her death was drug-related.

Everybody's talking about her addictions, but they don't know what killed her ?

:conf:

[Pyramid*]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-14285327



Everybody's talking about her addictions, but they don't know what killed her ?

:conf:

Possibly because it may have been suicide....and they simply do not wish that information to be made public with the toxicology tests to determine the nature of what was taken to kill her? It's a possibility and would be very understandable as far as her parents would be concerned, if that was the 'cause of death'.

[Omah]

Possibly because it may have been suicide....and they simply do not wish that information to be made public with the toxicology tests to determine the nature of what was taken to kill her? It's a possibility and would be very understandable as far as her parents would be concerned, if that was the 'cause of death'.

But, since the death is in the public domain and has aroused glonal interest. why take so long ?

I mean, October 26 ?

That's THREE months away !

Quincy never took that long ..... :hmph:

[Kerry]

Just seen her body being driven off in a transit van (news)

Rather undignified :/

[Crimson Dynamo]

now she is jewish?

[tmi]

Just seen her body being driven off in a transit van (news)

Rather undignified :/

From chapel of rest:conf:

[tmi]

Funeral (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2018385/Amy-Winehouse-dead-Family-confirms-funeral-place-today.html)

[Marc]

Funeral today for a Legend.

:sad:

[Marc]

I wonder if Brand and Ronson go. It's very short notice

[joeysteele]

I think Jewish funerals have to take place quicker than Christian ones.I am not totally sure though.

[Marc]

I just read that, I didn't know that happened.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Funeral today for a Legend.

:sad:

or for a singer who made a couple of albums that were quite successful but not everyones cup of tea

not everyone likes pop

[Zippy]

why do people have to come on here just to provoke? Just spiteful

why it bothers you that many want to herald her as a music legend I really dont know. Many music legends are remembered for far less work.

And Back to black was not "quite" successful nor was she pop. Sheesh @ the ignorance from people on this thread who clearly know sod all about her.

[Ninastar]

everytime i see this thread I panic, I keep forgetting it happened, it doesn't seem real

[Omah]

why do people have to come on here just to provoke? Just spiteful

This is NOT an appreciation thread ..... ;)

why it bothers you that many want to herald her as a music legend I really dont know. Many music legends are remembered for far less work.

"legend" is applied far too easily to the quick and the dead - similarly, "diva", "talented", "unique", etc, etc .....

:bored:

[Zippy]

"legend" is applied far too easily to the quick and the dead - similarly, "diva", "talented", "unique", etc, etc

she was an extremely talented and unique legend.

DEAL WITH IT

ps; and a Diva too!

[Crimson Dynamo]

why do people have to come on here just to provoke? Just spiteful

why it bothers you that many want to herald her as a music legend I really dont know. Many music legends are remembered for far less work.

And Back to black was not "quite" successful nor was she pop. Sheesh @ the ignorance from people on this thread who clearly know sod all about her.

put your hysterical handbag away. she is no legend. overall she is pop as her records were chart and played by pop stations.

the last 5 years she was a car crash. she was no adele for example.

[Zippy]

put your hysterical handbag away. she is no legend. overall she is pop as her records were chart and played by pop stations.

the last 5 years she was a car crash. she was no adele for example.

you need to put your bitter stick away and stop trying to poke people for a reaction.

Who cares what she was for past few years when drugs took hold? Doesnt negate her talent, her music or her success.

[Crimson Dynamo]

she was an extremely talented and unique legend.

DEAL WITH IT

ps; and a Diva too!

yeah so say you and guess what, you=nothing but you.

:joker:

[Zippy]

yeah so say you and guess what, you=nothing but you.

:joker:

but it's clearly not just me.

I think you'll find that amongst music critics, fellow artists and the music world generally Amy was regarded as one of the biggest talents in music.

but yeah, you know better...

:sleep:

[Omah]

she was an extremely talented and unique legend.

DEAL WITH IT

ps; and a Diva too!

Of course, you are welcome to continue the devaluation of the terms - I prefer not to ..... :hmph:

[Marc]

She was a legend.

[Callum]

Kelly Osbourne attended the funeral today and her hair was shaped like a beehive in tribute to her late friend.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

from the funeral pics it doesn't look like aislene was invited. kind of makes you wonder about the scene she pulled outside the house

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

She was a legend.

i have to admit i never truly listened to her msic wasn't a huge fan, but she def will be remembered. not just because of her unique style but because people like to class tragic figures in the legend pile.

[Zippy]

..not just because of her unique style but because people like to class tragic figures in the legend pile.

well thats true. I always found Heath Ledger annoying as an actor but apparently he's an acting legend.

[Vicky.]

well thats true. I always found Heath Ledger annoying as an actor but apparently he's an acting legend.

Definitely.

Thats one who actually noone cares about before he died.

I quite liked him, but the blind adoration for him after his death was ridiculous :/

[Marc]

Aw I want to see pics from the funeral

[CharlieO]

Definitely.

Thats one who actually noone cares about before he died.

I quite liked him, but the blind adoration for him after his death was ridiculous :/

I really don't understand why this happens to so many deceased famous people. I mean like I totally understand Amy was an extremely talented woman and I did know a few of her songs but was never a huge fan so I don't really see the need to buy her albums when I had no intention to do so whilst she was alive.

[Zippy]

I really don't understand why this happens to so many deceased famous people. I mean like I totally understand Amy was an extremely talented woman and I did know a few of her songs but was never a huge fan so I don't really see the need to buy her albums when I had no intention to do so whilst she was alive.

but aren't you like 15 or something?

so you may have been too young to appreciate it 5 years ago but attracted to it after hearing her music everywhere now.

[Vicky.]

but aren't you like 15 or something?

so you may have been too young to appreciate it 5 years ago but attracted to it after hearing her music everywhere now.

Thats not really the point tbh.

If you wanted the album, you would have it already. I dont see the point in buying it purely because a person has died.

Age has nothing to do with it :/

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

well thats true. I always found Heath Ledger annoying as an actor but apparently he's an acting legend.

I concur. I confess i never understood a word he said in movies.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Aw I want to see pics from the funeral

too lazy to copy and paste

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2018929/Amy-Winehouse-dead-Father-Mitch-says-emotional-goodbye-funeral.html :angel:

[Marc]

It's true that celebs get respected more when they've died.

[Marc]

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2018929/Amy-Winehouse-dead-Father-Mitch-says-emotional-goodbye-funeral.html :angel:

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[CharlieO]

but aren't you like 15 or something?

so you may have been too young to appreciate it 5 years ago but attracted to it after hearing her music everywhere now.

I'm 16 not that it makes much difference. And I'm not necessarily talking about myself but the need to buy an album just because someone has died. I'm referring to the fact that back to black is back in the charts just because Amy happened to die.

[Vicky.]

It's true that celebs get respected more when they've died.

Its quite sad in a way I think. That they have to die to get more fans :S

[CharlieO]

Thats not really the point tbh.

If you wanted the album, you would have it already. I dont see the point in buying it purely because a person has died.

Age has nothing to do with it :/

Yes this is exactly what I was trying go say.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

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[CharlieO]

Its quite sad in a way I think. That they have to die to get more fans :S

It's almost like a back handed compliment saying your music was good but not good enough for me to appreciate it in your own time.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Its quite sad in a way I think. That they have to die to get more fans :S

I admit that now that she's truly gone a part of me wants to properly listen to her work now. Especially since I know that back to black was kind of an autobiography?

And I finally want to check out jackass cause of ryan dunn. :bored: still not keen on seeing people but fireworks up their assholes for fun/pleasure but will give it a try as some say he was yes..a legend!

[Zippy]

Age has nothing to do with it :/

well if he was 10 when the album originally came out then its probably not the kind of music he was into back then. So it may have passed him by. Its quite an adult album.

[Vicky.]

well if he was 10 when the album originally came out then its probably not the kind of music he was into back then. So it may have passed him by. Its quite an adult album.

Oh you were referring to him not liking the music when it came out

Gotcha now :p

[CharlieO]

well if he was 10 when the album originally came out then its probably not the kind of music he was into back then. So it may have passed him by. Its quite an adult album.

I actually very much liked rehab, valerie and back to black when they came out I just never had the album so didn't hear songs that weren't released as singles.

[joeysteele]

This is NOT an appreciation thread ..... ;)



"legend" is applied far too easily to the quick and the dead - similarly, "diva", "talented", "unique", etc, etc .....

:bored:

I have many disagreements with Zippy,(friendly ones), who you answered in the above post and I am not a great fan of Amy but I have to say when anything is written of real legends of music in the future,certainly, with no doubt whatsoever Amy Winehouse would have to included.

[Zippy]

I concur. I confess i never understood a word he said in movies.
I gave up on Bareback mountain because of his annoying mumbling.
It's true that celebs get respected more when they've died.
or appreciated more.
Its quite sad in a way I think. That they have to die to get more fans :S
Well Michael jackson was scum in America before he died. The rest of the world still gave him support after the pedo accusations. Not his homeland.

Then when he died he was a national hero again and all the celebs came out to glorify him. But they never supported him when alive and his name was soiled.

But yeah, MJ dying was literally the only way his career was ever gonna take off again.

[Vicky.]

Well Michael jackson was scum in America before he died. The rest of the world still gave him support after the pedo accusations. Not his homeland.

Then when he died he was a national hero again and all the celebs came out to glorify him. But they never supported him when alive and his name was soiled.

But yeah, MJ dying was literally the only way his career was ever gonna take off again.

Yup. Quite similar to all the 'saint jade' stuff too :S

[Marc]

too lazy to copy and paste

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2018929/Amy-Winehouse-dead-Father-Mitch-says-emotional-goodbye-funeral.html :angel:

Aw tis so sad :(

[Omah]

Yup. Quite similar to all the 'saint jade' stuff too :S

Yeah, I've already brought up that comparison ..... ;)

I have no doubt that had AW died of cancer she would have been beatified, too ..... :rolleyes:

Hardly anybody remembers Goody, of course, now ..... :bored:

[tmi]

Now pictures (http://www.nowmagazine.co.uk/gallery/gallery-specials/34206/1/0/new-pictures-kelly-osbourne-and-mark-ronson-join-friends-and-family-for-the-funeral-of-amy-winehouse/1/)

[Harry!]

Jade's influence still lives on. Now because of her many girls across the counrty are now getting compulsory (Though there is an option to opt out) cervical cancer jabs saving many lives in the process.

[Callum]

Everyone is making a big deal out of this photo because she's smiling

http://i2.cdnds.net/11/30/550w_showbiz_winehouse_funeral_kelly_osbourne.jpg

Saying she's there for publicity :rolleyes:

[Zippy]

Jade's influence still lives on. Now because of her many girls across the counrty are now getting compulsory (Though there is an option to opt out) cervical cancer jabs saving many lives in the process.

good point, Harry. As such, she's probably the most useful BB HM of all.

and Omah you still mention Jade all the time so ironic that you imply she's forgotten about. :whistle:

[Omah]

Jade's influence still lives on. Now because of her many girls across the counrty are now getting compulsory (Though there is an option to opt out) cervical cancer jabs saving many lives in the process.

Compulsion is the only way - medical records indicate that the "Jade effect" didn't even last a year before the numbers of young females taking part in cervical cancer testing/prevention procedures was even lower than before .....

[Omah]

good point, Harry. As such, she's probably the most useful BB HM of all.

and Omah you still mention Jade all the time so ironic that you imply she's forgotten about. :whistle:

Read my post carefully - it says "Hardly anybody" ..... :pat:

[Zippy]

Compulsion is the only way - medical records indicate that the "Jade effect" didn't even last a year before the numbers of young females taking part in cervical cancer testing/prevention procedures was even lower than before .....

If Jade's death encouraged just one person to get checked and have their life saved then she did more good than any other HM.

youre really stretching

[Omah]

If Jade's death encouraged just one person to get checked and have their life saved then she did more good than any other HM.

youre really stretching

No, I'm not.... You are ..... :laugh:

Goody was a loathsome person with no redeeming features ..... :yuk:

[Omah]

Omah you still mention Jade all the time so ironic that you imply she's forgotten about. :whistle:

AFAIK, the last "Goody" threads I raised were on 28/29 March of this year so I hardly "still mention Jade all the time" ..... :nono:

[Omah]

Jade's influence still lives on. Now because of her many girls across the counrty are now getting compulsory (Though there is an option to opt out) cervical cancer jabs saving many lives in the process.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8579781.stm

22 March 2010

Is the 'Jade Effect' still working?

Although health professionals and media outlets alike praised the "Jade Goody effect" during her illness and in the months after her death, one year on, they fear it's fading as fast as it came on.

"It certainly did [have an effect] roundabout the time of her death, but it doesn't seem to have persisted," says Alison Baker, the president of the National Association of Cytology. "While it was in the public eye, it was massive."

The official statistics for the year following Goody's death will not be available until October, but Mr Music says anecdotal evidence shows that cervical screening is decreasing - and may even be returning to pre-Jade levels.

http://health.caledonianmercury.com/2010/08/15/jade-goody-effect-on-cervical-cancer-awareness-fading/00812

‘Jade Goody effect’ on cervical cancer awareness fading

August 15, 2010

It’s less than 18 months since reality TV contestant Jade Goody died of cervical cancer, but already public health experts fear the impact on awareness might be tailing off.

The “Jade Goody effect” was credited with pushing up cervical screening rates by four per cent overall in Scotland between 2008 and 2009, and by six per cent in the lowest age group, among 20-24-year-olds.

Although the figures for 2010 have not yet been published, there are concerns that the increases might not be maintained – leaving more women at risk of contracting, and possibly dying from the disease.

[Zippy]

What a ridiculous point. Because the effect isnt lasting forever that somehow negates all the good it did for a good period of time?

give me strength

[InOne]

Wonder when the doc will be

[joeysteele]

Jade certainly was no Saint, then again who is though.
She did howver by her bravery and determination at the end make many aware of the dangers and a great many women did after learning of Jade's plight go and have themselves checked out.

Her sharing that very sad end time to her life has likely saved a lot of problems and also even lives of some women.
Her story also had Husbands and partners being made aware of the dangers and talking it through with their wives etc as to at least just being checked over.
A good legacy on that issue,I would say she left there.

Back to Amy though, I hope people who did admire her take on board also the dangers of excessive drink and drugs.Lessons to be learned for lots of people from both these early deaths of Jade and Amy.

[Shaun]

I'm sure that was her primary motivation, and not the cheques and the fame she'd been living for before.

[InOne]

Jade isn't even in the same league as Amy at anything :nono:

[Zippy]

I'm sure that was her primary motivation, and not the cheques and the fame she'd been living for before.

Her primary motivation was leaving her sons decent money and security. Having watched somebody close suffer from cancer and face an imminent death I can assure you it sets their priorities straight in life.

Fame at that point of Jades life really wouldn't have meant much. Especially with the way she looked in her latter stages.

[joeysteele]

Her primary motivation was leaving her sons decent money and security. Having watched somebody close suffer from cancer and face an imminent death I can assure you it sets their priorities straight in life.

Fame at that point of Jades life really wouldn't have meant much. Especially with the way she looked in her latter stages.

On this issue, I 100% agree with you Zippy.