View Full Version : Amy Winehouse has died
Callum
23-07-2011, 04:27 PM
Breaking news
Callum
23-07-2011, 04:28 PM
Sky News confirmed she was found dead in her flat
Jessica.
23-07-2011, 04:28 PM
I just saw on Sky news. :O Found dead at her flat in London.
Doogle
23-07-2011, 04:29 PM
Oh my god. :o
Was it of an overdose? :(
Such a waste.
Zippy
23-07-2011, 04:30 PM
OMFG
*cries*
Callum
23-07-2011, 04:31 PM
Died of an overdose
LemonJam
23-07-2011, 04:31 PM
Thats so sad. She had so much talent. :( RIP.
Harry!
23-07-2011, 04:31 PM
OMG that is such a shock to me. She was so young. And even more spooky Black To Black has just come on my music on shuffle :shocked:. RIP.
CharlieO
23-07-2011, 04:31 PM
Really, wow. :o
Ninastar
23-07-2011, 04:33 PM
no! Im actually so upset about this. I really liked her
arista
23-07-2011, 04:35 PM
Sky News confirmed she was found dead in her flat
Yes on SkyNewsHD now
Shocker
Zippy
23-07-2011, 04:36 PM
27
Its shocking but predictable. But Im so sad we'll never get anymore music from her. ever. One of the greatest female talents ever imo. Flawed genius.
RIP
arista
23-07-2011, 04:37 PM
WHAAAT!?
Seriously?!
Live now on SkyNews
Why the BBC can not break away from Norway
to also report this Tragic news - is beyond me.
Doogle
23-07-2011, 04:37 PM
I'm guessing they'll release a posthumous album at some point though :bored:
Vicky.
23-07-2011, 04:37 PM
Not that much of a surprise tbh.
RIP, but been a long time coming :/
arista
23-07-2011, 04:39 PM
Not that much of a surprise tbh.
RIP, but been a long time coming :/
Yes you could say that
her Dad did try hard , though
The BBC has checked SkyNews
and now is reporting it.
:( That's so sad. Yes she was a mess, but I always thought that she would have some sort of comeback. Her music was amazing
Oh dear you have people who can have fame and fortune and others it is curse, she was a good singer, really sad today, sad news.
Can't really say I'm surprised, but this is really, really sad news. I loved her voice and she was so talented :sad:
arista
23-07-2011, 04:41 PM
Oh dear you have people who can have fame and fortune and others it is curse, she was a good singer, really sad today, sad news.
Yes a Good Singer
but not live, on the recent Euro tour.
She had Drink and Drugs Problems
CharlieO
23-07-2011, 04:41 PM
It's quite sad but her own fault. I did love some of her music though.
ILoveTRW
23-07-2011, 04:42 PM
****
I'm really sad :sad: I didn't think I liked her this much.
LaLaLand
23-07-2011, 04:45 PM
I'm so upset, such a waste. Pure icon of our time, never be replaced :(
Yes a Good Singer
but not live, on the recent Euro tour.
She had Drink and Drugs Problems
I dont know about that, give a girl a break she was a tortured soul and I think she turned to drink and drugs as a way out.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2018020/Amy-Winehouse-dead--Found-dead-London-flat.html
R.I.P. :( I loved Valerie
Tragic waste of talent and life. She should have been pumping out classic album after classic album.
Addiction is an awful thing and though she may have started it her demons certainly got the better of her. Roll on the 'served her right' brigade.
Callum
23-07-2011, 04:47 PM
Really thought she could have got her act together and wowed the world again with a third album :sad: Such a talent, gone too soon.
It really is a sad loss but it was going to happen soon enough :(
arista
23-07-2011, 04:48 PM
I'm so upset, such a waste. Pure icon of our time, never be replaced :(
Yes sad
as she was 27 years old.
Life Can Be Short.
arista
23-07-2011, 04:49 PM
Really thought she could have got her act together and wowed the world again with a third album :sad: Such a talent, gone too soon.
Depends if she blocked her Dad out
and went back to booze and drugs.
On that Euro Tour
I thought they would have attacked her
as she was so far out from it all.
Really thought she could have got her act together and wowed the world again with a third album :sad: Such a talent, gone too soon.
:sad: I really wanted another album.
Boothy
23-07-2011, 04:51 PM
Really sad news. I didn't like her music, but there's no denying she was such a talented woman.
People who say she deserved it and whatnot can't understand the concept of addiction.
arista
23-07-2011, 04:52 PM
:sad: I really wanted another album.
Outakes
will be rushed out soon.
Jack_
23-07-2011, 04:52 PM
I go away for half an hour and come back to this...speechless :o
RIP.
Boothy
23-07-2011, 04:56 PM
From Twitter;
heatworld heat & heatworld
Amy Winehouse's dad Mitch is on a flight back from the US and may not be aware of the tragic news yet
I feel so sorry for her dad. He did so much to try and get her off the drugs.
CaraRawr
23-07-2011, 04:56 PM
I'm actually in shock, R.I.P.
Shaun
23-07-2011, 04:58 PM
I'm shellshocked :| I know she had problems but I really wasn't expecting this. She was a fantastic talent and a true music personality, she'll be sorely missed.
arista
23-07-2011, 04:58 PM
I'm actually in shock, R.I.P.
Yes its a shock.
As she was 27 years old.
Historically speaking I can see her being this generations Janis Joplin when it's all said and done.
arista
23-07-2011, 04:59 PM
I'm shellshocked :| I know she had problems but I really wasn't expecting this. She was a fantastic talent and a true music personality, she'll be sorely missed.
Could you have got her off
the Booze and drugs , though?
I'm shellshocked :| I know she had problems but I really wasn't expecting this. She was a fantastic talent and a true music personality, she'll be sorely missed.
This exactly.
Such a tragic loss. People always joked that it would happen and she would die young but it's so surprisingly shocking! I'm just shocked.
Blink_Me
23-07-2011, 05:00 PM
I'm sorry, but she threw her life away. Anyone would have loved to have what she had; the fame, the money, the appreciation from millions, and most of all.... the talent. And she was only young to top it off.
It's a shame.
mkdfan
23-07-2011, 05:01 PM
OMG bloody hell!
I hoped she would comeback clean. R.I.P!
Doogle
23-07-2011, 05:01 PM
Historically speaking I can see her being this generations Janis Joplin when it's all said and done.
They were both 27 when they died as well :suspect:
From Twitter;
I feel so sorry for her dad. He did so much to try and get her off the drugs.
He'll have been told. What a horrible way to find out, he can't even be there in the same country
Ninastar
23-07-2011, 05:02 PM
ugh I'm still so upset. I could have seen it coming but it doesn't make it any less sad.
Shaun
23-07-2011, 05:02 PM
Could you have got her off
the Booze and drugs , though?
...what? What on earth kind of question is that? Arista do you actually have a mind?
The media know of her death before her Dad that is tragic.:shocked:
letmein
23-07-2011, 05:03 PM
Historically speaking I can see her being this generations Janis Joplin when it's all said and done.
Uh, no.
Amy, while marginally talented, will not be remember to future generations. She didn't make any impact. Sad about her death though. I can't say I'm surprised. Did you see her last month on stage, falling over, and singing the wrong songs? The rumor was, she was shooting heroin.
letmein
23-07-2011, 05:03 PM
Live now on SkyNews
Why the BBC can not break away from Norway
to also report this Tragic news - is beyond me.
Please tell me you're joking!
What happened in Norway is much more important than some dead junkie who's 15 minutes were up a long time ago.
Smithy
23-07-2011, 05:04 PM
:o just seen the news
They were both 27 when they died as well :suspect:
Adding to the great urban legend of rock and pop personalities who died at 27.
Jimi Hendrix is another one that springs to mind.
Uh, no.
Amy, while marginally talented, will not be remember to future generations. She didn't make any impact. Sad about her death though. I can't say I'm surprised. Did you see her last month on stage, falling over, and singing the wrong songs? The rumor was, she was shooting heroin.
No need to panic guys, Sherlock is in the building.
Shaun
23-07-2011, 05:05 PM
Yeah 27 is a cursed age in music - I think Cobain and Jim Morrison were 27 when they died too.
Such a sad waste, her family have had to watch her do this to herself, its a tragedy RIP Amy
Niall
23-07-2011, 05:06 PM
I can't believe this has happened. My brother just told me about 10 minutes ago. Such a shame, she was so talented. R.I.P Amy. :sad:
Screw being 27 in the music world. :sad:
Vicky.
23-07-2011, 05:08 PM
Please tell me you're joking!
What happened in Norway is much more important than some dead junkie who's 15 minutes were up a long time ago.
Yeah...agree with this :/
But in less harsh words.
Just flicked on Sky News. They've spent the last 5 years jumping at the chance to film/photograph her at her absolute worst and saw pound signs every time she showed up anywhere out of her face but now that she's dead it's suddenly a tragedy? **** the media. It's Michael Jackson all over again.
Doogle
23-07-2011, 05:09 PM
I hope Adele doesn't release "27". :/
I really hope a posthumous album IS released though. Or some more live performances where she's actually singing.
Boothy
23-07-2011, 05:11 PM
I hope Adele doesn't release "27". :/
I really hope a posthumous album IS released though. Or some more live performances where she's actually singing.
Adele doesn't really live a rock and roll lifestyle though, does she?
I've already seen a joke. FFS
seanraff07
23-07-2011, 05:13 PM
A shame to see someone die at that young an age in such circumstances.
This was really only a matter of time though as I think most people could see, RIP, you were a talented musician.
ILoveTRW
23-07-2011, 05:14 PM
From 2008
http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2008/12/28/amy_winehouse_fears_joining_the_27_club_
Doogle
23-07-2011, 05:14 PM
Adele doesn't really live a rock and roll lifestyle though, does she?
I know, it was more a reference to her numbered albums. And the 27 "curse".
And she has 6 years yet, we never know :suspect:
Sickipedia's gonna be full of Amy jokes tonight. :bored:
SoBig
23-07-2011, 05:14 PM
Wow. When I saw it on twitter I thought it was a joke at first. This is why you shouldn't do drugs people.
I'm kind of in shock. I'm only 4 years younger than her.
Jack_
23-07-2011, 05:16 PM
From 2008
http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2008/12/28/amy_winehouse_fears_joining_the_27_club_
That's ****ing freaky.
SoBig
23-07-2011, 05:18 PM
From 2008
http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2008/12/28/amy_winehouse_fears_joining_the_27_club_
:shocked::shocked::shocked::shocked::eek::eek:
arista
23-07-2011, 05:18 PM
...what? What on earth kind of question is that? Arista do you actually have a mind?
Its a Fair question.
Without the Booze and Drugs
she would be alive, maybe.
Wow. When I saw it on twitter I thought it was a joke at first. This is why you shouldn't do drugs people.
I'm kind of in shock. I'm only 4 years younger than her.
I do drugs. Most people I know do drugs. The vast majority of people do drugs. Be they legal or illegal. You can't use an extreme circumstance like the death of a chronic polydrug addict to justify some sort of generalised anti drugs standpoint.
It's B.S. and it has no place here.
From 2008
http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2008/12/28/amy_winehouse_fears_joining_the_27_club_
That's so strange!
They're speaking to so many random people on BBC...
Vicky.
23-07-2011, 05:19 PM
I do drugs. Most people I know do drugs. The vast majority of people do drugs. Be they legal or illegal. You can't use an extreme circumstance like the death of a chronic polydrug addict to justify some sort of generalised anti drugs standpoint.
It's B.S. and it has no place here.
Everything in moderation...and all that
She seriously must have done SO MUCH in one go. I don't take drugs but I'm assuming it was an overdose and not just constant use?
Ninastar
23-07-2011, 05:21 PM
Just remembered that I asked my mum to get the album when it came out. I still have it. I might upload all the songs to itunes just to listen to them again
Please tell me you're joking!
What happened in Norway is much more important than some dead junkie who's 15 minutes were up a long time ago.
Not to her family it isn't. dead is dead no matter how it happened, people will grieve the same. Have some respect
Tom4784
23-07-2011, 05:23 PM
I'm quite shocked, it's not unexpected by any stretch but I always expected her to make a comeback one day.
Vladimir
23-07-2011, 05:23 PM
So sad. :(
Vicky.
23-07-2011, 05:24 PM
Not to her family it isn't. dead is dead no matter how it happened, people will grieve the same. Have some respect
This was in answer to someone saying the norway news should stop and amy should be reported instead.
Letmeinhad a very valid point.
Perspective.
This was in answer to someone saying the norway news should stop and amy should be reported instead.
Letmeinhad a very valid point.
Perspective.
Yeah I agree, though I might not have worded it the same way he did
Vicky.
23-07-2011, 05:25 PM
Yeah I agree, though I might not have worded it the same way he did
yeah good point
As I said earlier, a bit harsh wording, but agree in principle :p
LaLaLand
23-07-2011, 05:33 PM
She thought she was invincible... and in some ways... so did her fans I think, me being one of them.
What happened in Norway is much more important than some dead junkie who's 15 minutes were up a long time ago.
Harsh, but true ..... :(
Perhaps the thing is to some she was an idol, the story in Norway isnt connected to they lives has Amy was, but any lives loss is a loss. My heart goes out all of those who have lost someone .
It's just a shame she couldn't sort herself out. Her legend status is for her music only. She is no role model outside of the recording studio
Boothy
23-07-2011, 05:35 PM
How are people comparing her death to what happened in Norway yesterday?!
It's not a ****ing competition!
arista
23-07-2011, 05:36 PM
Please tell me you're joking!
What happened in Norway is much more important than some dead junkie who's 15 minutes were up a long time ago.
No I have
SkyNewsHD on
and BBCNews all day.
SkyNews are the award winning Breaking News.
Dusty BBC are way behind,
As for Norway
Jon Snows Live report on Ch4 news , just now
was top form.
The BBC Loops so much
not enough live Reports.
Amy may have been a junkie
but as she was also a Award Winning Star
so it had to go on the news right away.
Norway story.
Amy story.
They are different. No comparison can be made other than the fact that deaths occurred.
Obviously it's sad both have died, but seriously people (facebook,twitter etc.) need to stop comparing. It is by no means the same.
arista
23-07-2011, 05:38 PM
How are people comparing her death to what happened in Norway yesterday?!
It's not a ****ing competition!
True
Amy is the Important UK Tragic News
'Conor
23-07-2011, 05:38 PM
omg !! :bawling:
RIP
She thought she was invincible... and in some ways... so did her fans I think, me being one of them.
Why, because she had a deadly substance abuse problem?
I highly doubt she thought she was invincible. In fact I'm willing to bet my house that she felt quite destructible all covered in cold sick on a grotty couch.
Iceman
23-07-2011, 05:40 PM
Im so sad about this I adored her music and I hoped beyond hope that she' get better :(
It's just a shame she couldn't sort herself out. Her legend status is for her music only. She is no role model outside of the recording studio
I wouldn't have thought 1 successful album would justify the "legend" status - we''ll have to see what her standing is in 25 years time .....
I wouldn't have thought 1 successful album would justify the "legend" status - we''ll have to see what her standing is in 25 years time .....
To many she is.
Shaun
23-07-2011, 05:44 PM
I wouldn't have thought 1 successful album would justify the "legend" status - we''ll have to see what her standing is in 25 years time .....
It did for Nirvana (no disrespect for the other albums, but Nevermind was their one "wow" album).
SoBig
23-07-2011, 05:44 PM
List of musicians that died at 27.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/27_Club
Not to piss on the parade but she is in no way going to come close to the type of life beyond death legacies enjoyed by the likes of Cobain and Tupac Shakur. She grew as a celebrity in an age of ADHD inflicted media and her one global phenomenon isin't about to make her into mug and mousepad pop art quite yet.
ILoveTRW
23-07-2011, 05:45 PM
I wouldn't have thought 1 successful album would justify the "legend" status - we''ll have to see what her standing is in 25 years time .....
5 Grammy Awards = Legend
5 Grammy Awards = Legend
George Solti got 31
Alison Krauss got 26
U2 got 22
Lewis.
23-07-2011, 05:50 PM
:(
Zippy
23-07-2011, 05:51 PM
I'm really sad :sad: I didn't think I liked her this much.
Its a sad truth of life that you don't always appreciate something until its gone.
Its why so many artists go on to become even bigger when they no longer even exist. Look at Michael Jackson.
Its a sad truth of life that you don't always appreciate something until its gone.
Its why so many artists go on to become even bigger when they no longer even exist. Look at Michael Jackson.
:sad: its true!
InOne
23-07-2011, 05:54 PM
Sad :(
I wonder if I had her on my death list, hmmmm
It did for Nirvana (no disrespect for the other albums, but Nevermind was their one "wow" album).
Nevertheless, 1 successful album does not a "legend" make, otherwise we'd be inundated with "legends" .....
Shaun
23-07-2011, 05:56 PM
I think someone's pissed off they've lost someone to post 3049 threads about in Celebrity News. Cock.
Zippy
23-07-2011, 06:04 PM
Nevertheless, 1 successful album does not a "legend" make, otherwise we'd be inundated with "legends" .....
It's not about how many albums. It's about impressions left and how deeply she affected people. And she made TWO classic albums that were successful so get it straight.
You seem to have a very weird hate obsession with celebs who are always in the media. Weird because you seem to follow their every move... then question why the media does!
More people have died in the famine thus far than in the Norway tragedy.
Get some perspective folks looooool.
InOne
23-07-2011, 06:07 PM
She was good and that but she wasn't a legend or an icon I wouldn't say. People are only saying this cos she's dead.
People are fickle :nono:
Boothy
23-07-2011, 06:09 PM
More people have died in the famine thus far than in the Norway tragedy.
Get some perspective folks looooool.
Best one I've seen. From my Facebook
Funny thing is, Amy Winehouse will get a 10 page tribute of how great she was in the papers tomorrow, and you'll see in a few weeks time a small column of how a troop died serving our country. You'll also see more on Amy then there was about the kids in Oslo that died. RIP to the kids in Oslo, **** Amy Winehouse.
Tom4784
23-07-2011, 06:11 PM
Quality over Quantity, there's a fair few musicians who are considered legends that only had 2 or 3 albums.
Jords
23-07-2011, 06:11 PM
Too young :(
But she ruined her own life.
The only reason anyone compared the two was because of arista moaning that the BBC were covering Norway which wasn't as important as Amy Winehouses death, it's not like people were saying "**** her, more people died in Oslo"
Harry!
23-07-2011, 06:13 PM
Here is a video of Amy at the iTunes festival just 3 days ago :( Sad.
2qQAnNARrWs
I am happy that The News Of The World is no longer running. Just imagine...
Doogle
23-07-2011, 06:30 PM
Oh god yeah I forgot about NOTW! I bet stories of hackings from a while ago will appear.
Just heard about Amy... can't say I'm shocked not have I ever been a big fan, but its always quite sad when someone in the public eye dies, especially someone so young. :(
Ninastar
23-07-2011, 06:37 PM
http://www.facebook.com/pages/I-bet-she-wishes-she-went-to-rehab-now/107548579344306?sk=wall
i have no words
Doogle
23-07-2011, 06:39 PM
Why can't they be the ones who die
Zippy
23-07-2011, 06:40 PM
She was good and that but she wasn't a legend or an icon I wouldn't say. People are only saying this cos she's dead.
well Ive always considered her a legend and icon.
And its a status thats awarded an artist usually by pure momentum and general amount of media attention.
Amy has critical acclaim in abundance and is instantly recognisable worldwide. She has been one of the most written about music celebs of the past 5 years...albeit mostly for the wrong reasons.
So she absolutely will become a music legend and iconic figure. Her music will now go on to sell many millions more and cement that status. Her legend will grow like it usually does with dead superstars.
Its not about whether you or anybody else thinks she's worthy. There are many actors and musicians who only have a very small body of memorable work but are still given iconic status.
Ultimately it comes down to fame and critical approval. Amy had both on a massive scale.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/I-bet-she-wishes-she-went-to-rehab-now/107548579344306?sk=wall
i have no words
The tragedy is you have to click like before you get to tell them what unoriginal ***** they are.
Vicky.
23-07-2011, 06:41 PM
http://www.facebook.com/pages/I-bet-she-wishes-she-went-to-rehab-now/107548579344306?sk=wall
i have no words
That was always gunna happen
Am awaiting all the joke texts at the minute
Lewis.
23-07-2011, 06:43 PM
Every celebrity that dies, there will always be people who take the piss and are disrespectful towards them, especially when they have received the kind of media attention that Amy received. I just feel for her family :(
Ninastar
23-07-2011, 06:44 PM
i know its a bit soon but I wonder if any of her music will chart from this
Zippy
23-07-2011, 06:45 PM
i know its a bit soon but I wonder if any of her music will chart from this
of course
Doogle
23-07-2011, 06:46 PM
People wouldn't take the piss out of people who aren't famous, even if they died of drugs etc. so just because everyone else does it and it's not as bad cos you don't know them personally, it's still wrong and pathetic. :/
Lewis.
23-07-2011, 06:46 PM
Maybe, it will probably boost a few sales but I can't see it having the success that MJ had when he died, simply because a lot of people already have music of Amy's on their ipods.
Vicky.
23-07-2011, 06:47 PM
People wouldn't take the piss out of people who aren't famous, even if they died of drugs etc. so just because everyone else does it and it's not as bad cos you don't know them personally, it's still wrong and pathetic. :/
People take the piss out of everything.
On the same hand you could say if a regular junkie off the street died, noone would give a **** or be all RIP etc.
Swings and roundabouts.
Edit. Apologies for the harshness of that post, didnt seem so bad when typing D: Still have a point though.
Shaun
23-07-2011, 06:48 PM
I imagine the albums will get a boost in sales but I can't see many songs entering the charts, if any.
Zippy
23-07-2011, 06:48 PM
Maybe, it will probably boost a few sales but I can't see it having the success that MJ had when he died, simply because a lot of people already have music of Amy's on their ipods.
well actually thats true.
Most MJ fans had his stuff from way back before digital DLs so they needed to re-buy it all again.
Vicky.
23-07-2011, 06:49 PM
I imagine amy will chart quite well in the next few weeks.
Expecting a lot of requests for her stuff at work, so gunna have to buy some albums myself I think...we only have a couple of her songs :laugh:
Iceman
23-07-2011, 06:50 PM
I imagine the albums will get a boost in sales but I can't see many songs entering the charts, if any.
I hope Tear Dry On Their Own does chart somewhere though
Lewis.
23-07-2011, 06:50 PM
I hope Tear Dry On Their Own does chart somewhere though
Her best song :love:
People wouldn't take the piss out of people who aren't famous, even if they died of drugs etc. so just because everyone else does it and it's not as bad cos you don't know them personally, it's still wrong and pathetic. :/
No it's not. Some people can take it as a morbid joke. I say that as a Winehouse fan myself. Righteous indignation posts like these are every bit as bad as posts slagging her off. Man up for goodness sake. If you don't like the jokes then fine but why is everyone suddenly sanctified in death whereas it's completely acceptable to slag off a popstar you don't like whilst their alive?
What is it about death threads and bringing out the worst in people. Like Vicky alluded to someone, somewhere is slagging off something.
The only thing offensive is when jokes are highly unoriginal. That offends me.
Livia
23-07-2011, 06:52 PM
Aleha hashalom Amy, you will be missed. No jokes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/27_Club
Boothy
23-07-2011, 06:56 PM
The only joke I've found funny so far is this one;
Amy Winehouse was found dead face down in a pile of ****, piss and vomit.Others call it Camden
People will have they're say and Karma has a habit of coming back to bite people on the @rse, enough said.
Iceman
23-07-2011, 07:01 PM
'died of an overdose'
Iceman
23-07-2011, 07:02 PM
her family releasing a statement when they're ready.
Lewis.
23-07-2011, 07:05 PM
Can't see how karma can even be used to make a dig at her. She was obviously a young and innocent girl who just got lost with all of the fame and the money. I don't think she purposely went out of her way to get into such a life, she just fell into the wrong crowd and unfortunately it ended like it has.
Iceman
23-07-2011, 07:07 PM
They now think she Overdosed last night sometime or early this morning.
Iceman
23-07-2011, 07:07 PM
was this Suicide then?
I dont think so, I think just Overdosed on whatever she was taking.
Zippy
23-07-2011, 07:08 PM
Im sure her family will feel guilty. But really there's not much a family can do when drugs take hold and the addicts a grown adult.
But I do feel annoyed with all those who allowed her to keep doing live shows knowing she would just embarrass herself. It's like they just wanted the publicity.
Shaun
23-07-2011, 07:13 PM
I'm just waiting for her dad to cash in on this. He's a despicable human being.
Iceman
23-07-2011, 07:15 PM
I'm just waiting for her dad to cash in on this. He's a despicable human being.
i think I just heard them say he was in America playing a gig or something????
Jordan.
23-07-2011, 07:16 PM
Couldn't believe it when I found out, obviously knew it was coming at some point but it still really hits you when it does happen.
I feel really sorry for her. :(
Shes just come on the music channel whilst I was writing this :suspect:
Haven't heard much from her dad.. don't really pay much attention towards Music artists in the press what has he done?
Sod_James
23-07-2011, 07:17 PM
Its sad because she was so young.
But you can't really be suprised by it. it was only a matter of time and its kind of her own fault.
Can't see how karma can even be used to make a dig at her. She was obviously a young and innocent girl who just got lost with all of the fame and the money. I don't think she purposely went out of her way to get into such a life, she just fell into the wrong crowd and unfortunately it ended like it has.
Are you referring to my post:conf: if so I was suggesting karma to the ones who didnt post the most sympathetic messages on facebook.:shocked:
Pyramid*
23-07-2011, 07:19 PM
After watching the clips from her last concert - I am not one tiny bit surprised. I can't even say 'ach, that's sad'...... it was only ever going to go that way - it was inevitable.
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Are you referring to my post:conf: if so I was suggesting karma to the ones who didnt post the most sympathetic messages on facebook.:shocked:
Karma doesn't exist though. It's in your head. Someone who posted a nasty joke might get twatted on the head with a glass bottle tonight but it will be entirely unrelated to some mystic force of nature.
Livia
23-07-2011, 07:22 PM
Are you referring to my post:conf: if so I was suggesting karma to the ones who didnt post the most sympathetic messages on facebook.:shocked:
It was obvious to most, tmi. And I agree... if not with the actual concept of Karma, then with the idea that what goes around, comes around.
Karma doesn't exist though. It's in your head. Someone who posted a nasty joke might get twatted on the head with a glass bottle tonight but it will be entirely unrelated to some mystic force of nature.
I never heard the phrase twatted on the head new on me:conf:
It was obvious to most, tmi. And I agree... if not with the actual concept of Karma, then with the idea that what goes around, comes around.
Yes I was trying to get at that point, am I on your ignore list?
Pyramid*
23-07-2011, 07:24 PM
Can't see how karma can even be used to make a dig at her. She was obviously a young and innocent girl who just got lost with all of the fame and the money. I don't think she purposely went out of her way to get into such a life, she just fell into the wrong crowd and unfortunately it ended like it has.
I understand many will be sad etc, but personally? She was an adult. She was able to make choices. No one forced her to take all manner of drugs, and no one forced her to hang around with the low life types that see did hang around with.
Sorry Lewis, this is one that I'm not in the least bit sympathetic with - if someone plays with fire and all that...... she had the financial means to get the hell away from people that were bad for her, had the means to get herself checked in somewhere very long term.
If she wanted to have done that, she would have - if she cared enough about her life (and I mean as in life expectancy), she had everything available to her if she had wanted to get away from people / lifestyle / drugs / alchohol.
I know I won't be popular - no change there - but that's the way I feel.
Livia
23-07-2011, 07:24 PM
Yes I was trying to get at that point, am I on your ignore list?
No, you're not.
Kerry
23-07-2011, 07:25 PM
Sad but it was always on the cards :(
No, you're not.
Loving your avatar. I love Uma Thurman rumour has it she in new movie with that Pats fella out of twilight. Nice to know Im not ignored.
I understand many will be sad etc, but personally? She was an adult. She was able to make choices. No one forced her to take all manner of drugs, and no one forced her to hang around with the low life types that see did hang around with.
Sorry Lewis, this is one that I'm not in the least bit sympathetic with - if someone plays with fire and all that...... she had the financial means to get the hell away from people that were bad for her, had the means to get herself checked in somewhere very long term.
If she wanted to have done that, she would have - if she cared enough about her life (and I mean as in life expectancy), she had everything available to her if she had wanted to get away from people / lifestyle / drugs / alchohol.
I know I won't be popular - no change there - but that's the way I feel.
Yes Mid I agree with some of your points but I think she was a tortured soul and like someone once said drugs and drink is a disease and yes she might have had peer pressure when surrounded by other users, but then she did have a choice whether to take or not. Fame can be a curse and if your vunerable before fame it can make that vunerability worse , when things are handed it on plate the temptation can be hard to resist once taken, just like fags they are a drug and legal too.
No one forced her to take all manner of drugs.
Have you first hand experience with drug addiction? No? It can get to the point - and I don't care what anyone else says - where drugs make the choices. The chances are this overdose was accidental. She wasn't bowing out. She was bowing to her demons like her body has been practically forced to do.
It's an incredibly, incredibly vicious cycle to break. Not only does your body demand drugs but your entire psyche changes. It's too easy to sit there and say she could have gone to rehab. Plenty of people could go to rehab. A lot want to but can't. They are weak willed in a sense yeah but that's drug addiction for you.
Some people ask for death. They want to die. I'm betting Amy Winehouse didn't actually want to die and for me the buck stops there.
Pyramid*
23-07-2011, 07:35 PM
Have you first hand experience with drug addiction? No? It can get to the point - and I don't care what anyone else says - where drugs make the choices. The chances are this overdose was accidental. She wasn't bowing out. She was bowing to her demons like her body has been practically forced to do.
It's an incredibly, incredibly vicious cycle to break. Not only does your body demand drugs but your entire psyche changes. It's too easy to sit there and say she could have gone to rehab. Plenty of people could go to rehab. A lot want to but can't. They are weak willed in a sense yeah but that's drug addiction for you.
Some people ask for death. They want to die. I'm betting Amy Winehouse didn't actually want to die and for me the buck stops there.
Absolute tosh.
That is all.
I understand many will be sad etc, but personally? She was an adult. She was able to make choices. No one forced her to take all manner of drugs, and no one forced her to hang around with the low life types that see did hang around with.
Sorry Lewis, this is one that I'm not in the least bit sympathetic with - if someone plays with fire and all that...... she had the financial means to get the hell away from people that were bad for her, had the means to get herself checked in somewhere very long term.
If she wanted to have done that, she would have - if she cared enough about her life (and I mean as in life expectancy), she had everything available to her if she had wanted to get away from people / lifestyle / drugs / alchohol.
I know I won't be popular - no change there - but that's the way I feel.
That is how I feel. If she had truly wanted help, she had the means to go about it. There was nothing stopping her from moving into an isolated home in the countryside with a family member and cutting herself off from the world of drink and drugs she was immersed in. The only way to quit addiction is to go cold turkey. It is sad that she died, it's sad when anyone dies, there is always somebody who cares about somebody else's death, but I find the hysteria about her death that's mounting ridiculous for a few reasons. Firstly, she's "been working on a new album" for five years. She's produced no new music in half a decade. If the media hadn't made a show out of her drink and drug problem, she would have been forgotten about by most of the people in this thread until news of her death popped up with the odd "sad news, RIP :(" and that would be it. Instead, they made her life tabloid fodder and she's remained in the public eye for having drink and drug problems. Of course she was going to die young.
Pyramid*
23-07-2011, 07:38 PM
Yes Mid I agree with some of your points but I think she was a tortured soul and like someone once said drugs and drink is a disease and yes she might have had peer pressure when surrounded by other users, but then she did have a choice whether to take or not. Fame can be a curse and if your vunerable before fame it can make that vunerability worse , when things are handed it on plate the temptation can be hard to resist once taken, just like fags they are a drug and legal too.
Crucial point.... I can't recall the last time someone staggered about, out of their face, making a complete arse of themselves, and overdosing on fags in an afternoon to the point that it killed them at the age of 27. I might be wrong, but I very much doubt it.
I don't feel sorry for her. Not one tiny bit. That might not please everyone, but I don't.
Harry!
23-07-2011, 07:39 PM
Amazon are already very low in stock of her albums already with a delivery rate of 6 to 10 days.
Black To Black is already in the top 50 best selling album chart.
Absolute tosh.
That is all.
You're a smoker, right?
Give up the fags. There is a good chance they will be a contributing factor in your death etc. You can quit.
An unfair comparison you might say ... and relatively speaking it sure is ... but you can see where I'm coming from even if you don't want to admit it.
Crucial point.... I can't recall the last time someone staggered about, out of their face, making a complete arse of themselves, and overdosing on fags in an afternoon to the point that it killed them at the age of 27. I might be wrong, but I very much doubt it.
I don't feel sorry for her. Not one tiny bit. That might not please everyone, but I don't.
Smoking can go on to other addictions like cannabis and yes I have seen people walking around with they're heads up their @rse.
Pyramid*
23-07-2011, 07:42 PM
You're a smoker, right?
Give up the fags. There is a good chance they will be a contributing factor in your death etc. You can quit.
checks birth certificate. I'm 46. Still going stong. I managed to avoid overdosing myself to death at the age of 27. That is the point. She didn't die from having one too many cigarettes. I know I'm stating the obvious here, but that , is fact. The fags didn't kill her. Illegal substances did.
Smoking can go on to other addictions like cannabis and yes I have seen people walking around with they're heads up their @rse.
Tobacco is far more addictive than Cannabis. Cannabis is not physically addictive like Nicotine is. Most people mix Cannabis with tobacco. It's the tobacco they are addicted to not the Cannabis.
It took me twenty four hours to stop smoking dope after a daily four year habit. It's far from perfect but it shoudln't even be brought up as a point of comparison in addiction debates.
Pyramid*
23-07-2011, 07:45 PM
Smoking can go on to other addictions like cannabis and yes I have seen people walking around with they're heads up their @rse.
Absolute rubbish Tmi. No offence, but I know hundreds of smokers who have managed not become entangled in the drugs scene to the point that it rules their life, despite smoking.
I happen to be one of them. I have a joint very occasionally. That's my choice - to only have one occasionally. No one forces me even to have that odd one every couple of months.
We aren't going to agree on this one.
checks birth certificate. I'm 46. Still going stong. I managed to avoid overdosing myself to death at the age of 27. That is the point. She didn't die from having one too many cigarettes. I know I'm stating the obvious here, but that , is fact. The fags didn't kill her. Illegal substances did.
And what is the point you have proved? That an addiction to booze, smack and crack will kill you sooner? Damn right it will. My point didn't lie in the instant severity of the substance abuse. I was just trying to provide a comparison you can relate to in terms of the power of a drug addiction. Surely you can sympathise with that?
Take your addiction to nicotine - one I share - and multiply it by a thousand and you'll get a crack and smack addict.
'I could quit sure but I don't want to. It'll only kill me when I'm old anyway'.
'I could quit but boy does this feel good ... even if I could die next week'.
You could quit fags even though they will very likely - and quoting your age really is futile - be a contributing cause in your eventual death. And yet you aren't quitting them.
In Amy's case lower the mortality rate and up the addiction rate. See where I'm coming from?
InOne
23-07-2011, 07:47 PM
My cig packet has a heroin needle on the back :joker: Most silly advert I've seen
Zippy
23-07-2011, 07:48 PM
Oh ffs spare me all this she couldve given up if she wanted to blahblah
such simplistic bollocks and shows a serious lack of understanding about how drugs can take hold. And it's not just about the drugs it's about the state of the mind they take hold of. Amy has a history of issues regards her weight also so she was clearly a vulnerable soul.
Some can fight off drug addiction. For others it's an impossible task and there's only one outcome.
She was good and that but she wasn't a legend or an icon I wouldn't say. People are only saying this cos she's dead.
People are fickle :nono:
Nonesense. When her first album was released a lot of critics applauded it as a classic work and one of the finest albums in a long time.
She will always be better known as a tortured artist and - yes - a druggie. But she leaves a few songs of amazing quality, sung with utter conviction. She was the real thing.
And the legacy she leaves is considerable. She opened the door for artists like Adele and Duffy.
Shaun
23-07-2011, 07:50 PM
I find it sad that people reduce drug addicts to just a statistic. They were a person too. Not every living moment was spent with a heroin needle, you know.
Pyramid*
23-07-2011, 07:51 PM
Tobacco is far more addictive than Cannabis. Cannabis is not physically addictive like Nicotine is. Most people mix Cannabis with tobacco. It's the tobacco they are addicted to not the Cannabis.
It took me twenty four hours to stop smoking dope after a daily four year habit. It's far from perfect but it shoudln't even be brought up as a point of comparison in addiction debates.
How many people do you know who have died at the age of 27 through an overdose of cigarettes.??
The comparison was being made in respect of the debate about 'addiction' and how that reels you in.
You managed to throw your own spin and reply regarding smoking - dope or otherwise, bit hypocritcal of you to beat the "shouldn't even be brought up as a comparison in addition debates". You're joining in the smoking aspect!!
You're a smoker, right?
Give up the fags. There is a good chance they will be a contributing factor in your death etc. You can quit.
How many people do you know who have died at the age of 27 through an overdose of cigarettes.??
The comparison was being made in respect of the debate about 'addiction' and how that reels you in.
You managed to throw your own spin and reply regarding smoking - dope or otherwise, bit hypocritcal of you to beat the "shouldn't even be brought up as a comparison in addition debates". You're joining in the smoking aspect!!
Cigarettes will kill you eventually.
Cannabis will not.
Absolute rubbish Tmi. No offence, but I know hundreds of smokers who have managed not become entangled in the drugs scene to the point that it rules their life, despite smoking.
I happen to be one of them. I have a joint very occasionally. That's my choice - to only have one occasionally. No one forces me even to have that odd one every couple of months.
We aren't going to agree on this one.
I heard Tyson was fighting tonite but I didnt know it was on this forum:joker:
You have strong fews I know , but I will not agree on this with you about Amy I think she needed guidance in big ways but when you are surrounded by @rse lickers who will do anything for you,it must be hard to just say NO< NO>.
I didnt say everyone who smokes but it can turn to other substances, any addiction is bad especially forums must get my@rse off here before lappy blows up. If you seen the things fags can do, youd never smoke again. People who smokes think it wont happen to them, take it from someone who knows first hand.
I find it sad that people reduce drug addicts to just a statistic. They were a person too. Not every living moment was spent with a heroin needle, you know.
Which is a matter for her family to grieve over, not people clutching copies of Back to Black and being completely hysterical over someone whose battle with addictive substances was laid bare for all to see and was clearly heading in this direction anyway. I realise I'm being really blunt but I think people being hysterical brings that out in me, haha. I'm not aiming this at anyone in particular, I'm just kind of annoyed by the stuff I'm reading on my Twitter feed, Facebook etc...
Zippy, the fact of the matter is that to quit addiction, you need to go cold turkey - Amy was an adult so it was impossible to make her give it up, so the choice was entirely hers. She still chose to take drugs and get drunk in the first instances, so regardless of whether or not she was mentally capable of quitting doesn't really factor into the equation for me - it was her choice, making her death her own fault. The situation in Norway was not about choice - I'm pissed off because people are raving on about Amy Winehouse instead of focusing on the real tragedy that occurred this weekend. Meh.
Cigarettes will kill you eventually.
Cannabis will not.
Bib wtf it focks with the mind, I know someone who is virtual recluse because of this drug and hasnt been out of the house for years only 30:nono:
Shaun
23-07-2011, 07:55 PM
What the **** is "being hysterical" about admiring a musician in light of their death?
Pyramid*
23-07-2011, 07:55 PM
Nonesense. When her first album was released a lot of critics applauded it as a classic work and one of the finest albums in a long time.
She will always be better known as a tortured artist and - yes - a druggie. But she leaves a few songs of amazing quality, sung with utter conviction. She was the real thing.
And the legacy she leaves is considerable. She opened the door for artists like Adele and Duffy.
Point made. A few songs. One good album. I honestly do not get this faux grief thing that's going on all over the place.
The only real thing she was, I am afraid to say: is a perfect example of how not to try to live your life. Harsh? Yes. Truthful? Absolutely.
What the **** is "being hysterical" about admiring a musician in light of their death?
People being hysterical over her death and for some reason it being far more interesting to talk about than the bomb and massacre situation in Norway? Her problems have been all over the media for four years, I just think people should be more concerned about Norway than Amy Winehouse, get some perspective you know?
Bib wtf it focks with the mind, I know someone who is virtual recluse because of this drug and hasnt been out of the house for years only 30:nono:
Agreed. Cannabis is far from harmless and I would never pass it off as so. It's a very subjective drug that creates it's high by directly mucking about with your neurons rather than simply drowning them out and it's simply not suited to a large degree of people that are predisposed to mental issues and/or anxiety.
It could be made far safer if it was regulated in a legal marketplace, I have to add as a disclaimer, but then most people with an ounce of common sense known this.
Pyramid*
23-07-2011, 08:00 PM
Bib wtf it focks with the mind, I know someone who is virtual recluse because of this drug and hasnt been out of the house for years only 30:nono:
The person you know is a major stoner and very few of us probably don't know of someone who's completely fooked because of it. Cannabis is a world away from crack cocaine and A class drugs. I'm not stupid - I'm more than very well aware of the effect is has psychologically and neurologically ...... people don't become that way because they have a few joints occasionally.
That's their choice, no one forces anyone to smoke, legal or illegal. If I snuff it when I'm 60 through fag smoking: I have one person to blame. ME. Not anyone around me, not my parents, not my friends around me who smoked when I didn't, not the shopkeeper who sells me my legal drugs of choice.
Pyramid*
23-07-2011, 08:01 PM
People being hysterical over her death and for some reason it being far more interesting to talk about than the bomb and massacre situation in Norway? Her problems have been all over the media for four years, I just think people should be more concerned about Norway than Amy Winehouse, get some perspective you know?
I could not have put it better if I'd tried. Well said.
People being hysterical over her death and for some reason it being far more interesting to talk about than the bomb and massacre situation in Norway? Her problems have been all over the media for four years, I just think people should be more concerned about Norway than Amy Winehouse, get some perspective you know?
Oh give over for christ sake. It's entirely forgiveable and acceptable to be more interested in a dead, talented celebrity than something that's happened to some strangers in Norway. Why are people pretending to care about Norway all of a sudden?
You answered your own concerns in that post. She's been all over the media for four years.
Sense of perspective? Unless someone is making a charitable donation what does it matter where their attention span is going? Sense of perspective? What about the current famine in Africa? That's killed more people than what happened in Norway.
Heck ... what about all the famines in Africa since we are going to go there? Who gives a crap about who gets to number one in the charts this week? Who cares what is number one at the box office? People are dying, damnit!
I hate to be so blunt but if you are going to start that car there is a lot of places you can take it. The vast majority of us demonstrably do not give a flying **** about what is going on in the world.
The person you know is a major stoner and very few of us probably don't know of someone who's completely fooked because of it. Cannabis is a world away from crack cocaine and A class drugs. I'm not stupid - I'm more than very well aware of the effect is has psychologically and neurologically ...... people don't become that way because they have a few joints occasionally.
That's their choice, no one forces anyone to smoke, legal or illegal. If I snuff it when I'm 60 through fag smoking: I have one person to blame. ME. Not anyone around me, not my parents, not my friends around me who smoked when I didn't, not the shopkeeper who sells me my legal drugs of choice.
You have your right to choose .
Shaun
23-07-2011, 08:02 PM
People being hysterical over her death and for some reason it being far more interesting to talk about than the bomb and massacre situation in Norway? Her problems have been all over the media for four years, I just think people should be more concerned about Norway than Amy Winehouse, get some perspective you know?
As I said on Twitter - I see absolutely no reason to compare the two? Do you have some kind of condition where tragedies have to be ranked in terms of importance or something?
The difference between the two stories is that people haven't listened to music from 92 Norwegian teenagers in the past 5 years. Of course she's going to get a bit more attention...she's famous :conf2: As for myself, I've addressed both stories in the past 24 hours. I guess now I can be a real samaritan. Though I'm sure 3 people died in the Philippines today and I haven't expressed shock about that yet.
joeysteele
23-07-2011, 08:03 PM
A while ago on a thread on here we were all discussing Amy and the comeback that never was really after her disastrous concert in Serbia.
It was felt she was a tortured soul and needed help, that she was surrounded by the wrong people in order to get that help and there was doubts she even wanted help.
Her Rehab song clearly having an irony to it now. This was the direction she was heading in, when I heard she'd died on the news I wasn't in the least surprised.
What a sad end at so young an age,I do mourn that because she really should have had all her life all before her with likely still great things to come.
I wasn't a mad fan of Amy at all,you cannot help but feel sad at her death in this way even it was in reality self inflicted.
Pyramid*
23-07-2011, 08:05 PM
Oh give over for christ sake. It's entirely forgiveable and acceptable to be more interested in a dead, talented celebrity than something that's happened in Norway. Why are people pretending to care about Norway all of a sudden?
You answered your own concerns in that post. She's been all over the media for four years.
Sense of perspective? Unless someone is making a charitable donation what does it matter where their attention span is going? Sense of perspective? What about the current famine in Africa? That's killed more people than what happened in Norway.
Heck ... what about all the famines in Africa since we are going to go there? Who gives a crap about who gets to number one in the charts this week? Who cares what is number one at the box office? People are dying, damnit!
I hate to be so blunt but if you are going to start that car there is a lot of places you can take it. The vast majority of us demonstrably do not give a flying **** about what is going on in the world.
Why on earth do you alway come over so angry in your posts?
Why do you continually avoid the swear filter?
Why on earth do you alway come over so angry in your posts?
Why do you continually avoid the swear filter?
I'm not angry at all. Frustrated I guess that I have to respond to such an absurd point, hence the high volume of question marks and exclamation marks. Two friends whom you know very well.
Why are you responding to this post and not the argument I gave you? Why are you responding to my posting style and not my posts?
''If you want to go down that route, take it to PM''.
Why on earth do you alway come over so angry in your posts?
Why do you continually avoid the swear filter?
Perhaps he passionate bit like yourself when you have strong opnions, I agree with the swearing though.:nono:
Oh give over for christ sake. It's entirely forgiveable and acceptable to be more interested in a dead, talented celebrity than something that's happened in Norway. Why are people pretending to care about Norway all of a sudden?
You answered your own concerns in that post. She's been all over the media for four years.
Sense of perspective? Unless someone is making a charitable donation what does it matter where their attention span is going? Sense of perspective? What about the current famine in Africa? That's killed more people than what happened in Norway.
Heck ... what about all the famines in Africa since we are going to go there? Who gives a crap about who gets to number one in the charts this week? Who cares what is number one at the box office? People are dying, damnit!
I hate to be so blunt but if you are going to start that car there is a lot of places you can take it. The vast majority of us demonstrably do not give a flying **** about what is going on in the world.
:rolleyes: No, I am not going to "start that car" - it is quite obviously far more shocking that a man disguised himself as a police officer and killed 80+ teenagers in cold blood than the death of somebody who struggled with addiction for at least four years in the public eye. People are quite obviously entitled to be interested in the death of a celebrity, but my point was that she's not actually done anything of note for half a decade; there were empty promises of new material for a few years and then apparently recently she had actually been working on new material - but going by her abysmal performance in Serbia, I'm not sure I believe that she was in the frame of mind to be producing all that much in the way of music. I care about Norway, it shocked me and I'm stunned that people are disregarding it so soon after it happened in favour of this. It's not like her death was out of the blue, when someone's that messed up it's more a case of predicting when rather than if, is that something that anyone can seriously deny? She's been all over the media for four years because she has problems, now she's dead because of her problems, so what's left to talk about? There's no new music to show (at the moment - I expect they'll put out posthumous stuff) - I'd be more understanding if she was on the promotional trail at the moment. Maybe I'm just cold hearted when it comes to her, I just have no respect for people who CHOOSE to play with fire like she did and who then suffer for it, and I guess that's been exacerbated by the fact she's famous for being, well, a mess, and is now going to receive even more attention for it. Leave the poor woman alone, I guess that's my thought on the matter ultimately.
Pyramid*
23-07-2011, 08:10 PM
A while ago on a thread on here we were all discussing Amy and the comeback that never was really after her disastrous concert in Serbia.
It was felt she was a tortured soul and needed help, that she was surrounded by the wrong people in order to get that help and there was doubts she even wanted help.
Her Rehab song clearly having an irony to it now. This was the direction she was heading in, when I heard she'd died on the news I wasn't in the least surprised.
What a sad end at so young an age,I do mourn that because she really should have had all her life all before her with likely still great things to come.
I wasn't a mad fan of Amy at all,you cannot help but feel sad at her death in this way even it was in reality self inflicted.
Joey: my mind also went back to that other thread.....
http://thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4319802&postcount=32
Same path as others who have come, gone and on their way out: George Best, Gazza to name two. Talented but with their own demons. I see this being a recurring theme and most likely, it won't be the booze it will kill her, it'll be an overdose / suicide or massive organ failure. Sad, but a real possibility.
As I said on Twitter - I see absolutely no reason to compare the two? Do you have some kind of condition where tragedies have to be ranked in terms of importance or something?
The difference between the two stories is that people haven't listened to music from 92 Norwegian teenagers in the past 5 years. Of course she's going to get a bit more attention...she's famous :conf2: As for myself, I've addressed both stories in the past 24 hours. I guess now I can be a real samaritan. Though I'm sure 3 people died in the Philippines today and I haven't expressed shock about that yet.
What's the need for being patronising?
Shaun
23-07-2011, 08:12 PM
Yes, leave the poor woman alone by tweeting "who the **** cares" and "Norway >"
:rolleyes: No, I am not "start that car" - it is quite obviously far more shocking that a man disguised himself as a police officer and killed 80+ teenagers in cold blood than the death of somebody who struggled with addiction for at least four years in the public eye. People are quite obviously entitled to be interested in the death of a celebrity, but my point was that she's not actually done anything of note for half a decade; there were empty promises of new material for a few years and then apparently recently she had actually been working on new material - but going by her abysmal performance in Serbia, I'm not sure I believe that she was in the frame of mind to be producing all that much in the way of music. I care about Norway, it shocked me and I'm stunned that people are disregarding it so soon after it happened in favour of this. It's not like her death was out of the blue, when someone's that messed up it's more a case of predicting when rather than if, is that something that anyone can seriously deny? She's been all over the media for four years because she has problems, now she's dead because of her problems, so what's left to talk about? There's no new music to show (at the moment - I expect they'll put out posthumous stuff) - I'd be more understanding if she was on the promotional trail at the moment. Maybe I'm just cold hearted when it comes to her, I just have no respect for people who CHOOSE to play with fire like she did and who then suffer for it, and I guess that's been exacerbated by the fact she's famous for being, well, a mess, and is now going to receive even more attention for it. Leave the poor woman alone, I guess that's my thought on the matter ultimately.
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What do you mean leave the poor woman alone? You don't think it's right that people are paying respect to the art she has left behind? I don't really understand any of that. What does it matter how out of her face she was recently or how much material she has had recently? Her death would be worth more if she had a new LP? Give her a chance to compete with those crafty Norway strangers your heart goes out to?
Are we really getting this banal about it? Bloody Nora. I'll leave this one until the morning because I'm getting merry now and I don't want to compromise my own arguments nor yours by offering up substandard responses but ... Jesus.
Honestly you sound way out of your element.
Zippy
23-07-2011, 08:13 PM
''...take it to PM''.
LOL she'll whip that one out after she's had all her fun arguing.
Yes, leave the poor woman alone by tweeting "who the **** cares" and "Norway >"
Yeah what I actually said was "seriously though, who cares? She spent half a decade being drunk/on drugs and not making music. RIP and all but jesus, Norway >"
I take no issue with people paying respects to her, I'm not a fan of her music but I respect that other people are, as I said in my first post in this thread, it's the stuff I'm reading on my social networking feeds that's pissing me off - she died, it's sad but it's not a shock?!
Tbh in the last few days people have lost lives whether they had them taken away or they took themselves. People lose loved ones all the time and it isnt in the press. Whether the plight in Norway or Amy Winehouse is one person death more important than another, the answer is No. They are all lost lives and my heart goes to all the familes concerned.
Pyramid*
23-07-2011, 08:16 PM
I'm not angry at all. Frustrated I guess that I have to respond to such an absurd point, hence the high volume of question marks and exclamation marks. Two friends whom you know very well.
Why are you responding to this post and not the argument I gave you? Why are you responding to my posting style and not my posts?
''If you want to go down that route, take it to PM''.
oh I understand your frustration - that comes over loud and clear.
It's a shame you seem to have taken it so very personally. I'm asking quite simply why you seem unable to debate without seeming so angry? It's a reasonable question - and asked deliberately before it gets out of hand as these things can often do, especially when people are equally passionate but on opposite sides of the fence.
who says anything about 'the argument I gave you' . You're arguing, not me. I'm putting over my thoughts and views.
My view is that as far as AW's addictions are concerned, she was 27 - she had had limited amount of years dabbling in A class drugs, and I strongly believe that if she wanted to get clean - she would have done so. I don't belive for one second that she gave a damn whether drugs killed her or not - her mind was set on one course of action.
People are highlighting the fact she had drug problems, I think they should concentrate the music she left behind rather than her faults.
Pyramid*
23-07-2011, 08:19 PM
What's the need for being patronising?
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What do you mean leave the poor woman alone? You don't think it's right that people are paying respect to the art she has left behind? I don't really understand any of that. What does it matter how out of her face she was recently or how much material she has had recently? Her death would be worth more if she had a new LP? Give her a chance to compete with those crafty Norway strangers your heart goes out to?
Are we really getting this banal about it? Bloody Nora. I'll leave this one until the morning because I'm getting merry now and I don't want to compromise my own arguments nor yours by offering up substandard responses but ... Jesus.
Honestly you sound way out of your element.
Can't you debate without being so supercillious?
People are highlighting the fact she had drug problems, I think they should concentrate the music she left behind rather than her faults.
This.
oh I understand your frustration - that comes over loud and clear.
It's a shame you seem to have taken it so very personally. I'm asking quite simply why you seem unable to debate without seeming so angry? It's a reasonable question - and asked deliberately before it gets out of hand as these things can often do, especially when people are equally passionate but on opposite sides of the fence.
who says anything about 'the argument I gave you' . You're arguing, not me. I'm putting over my thoughts and views.
My view is that as far as AW's addictions are concerned, she was 27 - she had had limited amount of years dabbling in A class drugs, and I strongly believe that if she wanted to get clean - she would have done so. I don't belive for one second that she gave a damn whether drugs killed her or not - her mind was set on one course of action.
If you are that curious about my posting style then ''take it to PM'' instead of tarnishing yet another thread. I'm not in the mood for your B.S. tonight.
**** the **** off.
Pyramid*
23-07-2011, 08:21 PM
People are highlighting the fact she had drug problems, I think they should concentrate the music she left behind rather than her faults.
Of course they are going to concentrate on her drug problem....that is what killed her.
There's another thread on the board for the nice stuff. I hear what you are saying: but this the subject of her life, they way she lived it, together with the way she died, it is going to be a talking point - for good or bad.
Not getting involved Stu but using language is not the way to go:nono:
You will lose argument everytime, you remind of me when a I was younger,
I swore out of anger.
Shaun
23-07-2011, 08:22 PM
Sorry Greg, must have misread :(
I think we all need to calm down :tongue:
Zippy
23-07-2011, 08:23 PM
Not getting involved Stu but using language is not the way to go:nono:
You will lose argument everytime, you remind of me when a I was younger,
I swore out of anger.
:joker:
you can be his new mentor
Sorry Greg, must have misread :(
I think we all need to calm down :tongue:
I agree:hugesmile:
Not getting involved Stu but using language is not the way to go:nono:
You will lose argument everytime, you remind of me when a I was younger,
I swore out of anger.
It's good that you dropped it then. Your prose drips with far more eloquence now.
Sorry Greg, must have misread :(
I think we all need to calm down :tongue:
Indeed... I understand that my blunt attitude towards the news of her death will annoy people who loved her and her music, but it's not about her music, it's about her celebrity status as a drug user - she's not been in the public eye for the past four years for being a musician, it's for being a drug addict, so I think it's completely fair to be blunt about that - it comes down to whether people are sympathetic towards drug addicts or not, and I fall under the latter category having seen people I once loved go through drug addiction despite attempts from the nearest and dearest to stop it from happening.
It's good that you dropped it then. Your prose drips with far more eloquence now.
My learned friend you learn has you go through life, I used to think the glass was half empty rather than half full:hugesmile: Im not patronising honest, Mid is force to be reckoned with, I have been on the receiving end but she is real gem.
Indeed... I understand that my blunt attitude towards the news of her death will annoy people who loved her and her music, but it's not about her music, it's about her celebrity status as a drug user - she's not been in the public eye for the past four years for being a musician, it's for being a drug addict, so I think it's completely fair to be blunt about that - it comes down to whether people are sympathetic towards drug addicts or not, and I fall under the latter category having seen people I once loved go through drug addiction despite attempts from the nearest and dearest to stop it from happening.
How can you simplify it so easily? It's not just a choice between musician and drug addict. Beneath both those lofty accolades lies a human being and that is who I am siding with.
My learned friend you learn has you go through life, I used to think the glass was half empty rather than half full:hugesmile: Im not patronising honest, Mid is force to be reckoned with, I have been on the receiving end but she is real gem.
I like curse words. Simple. It's not just anger ... I use them all the time. I'm still better spoken than nine tenths of the members on here and what matters more? I'll pick a cursing, well read person any day of the week. I say that without reservation and with full knowledge of what a pretentious gargoyle it must make me sound like.
I'm an optimist myself. The glass has always been half full over at camp Stu. Not to sound awful because you seem like a nice person but I value proper punctuation and language far more than I do people who refrain from cursing. Your posts aren't exactly a tour de force of the English language. I don't expect them to be but christ. Perspective, please :).
How can you simplify it so easily? It's not just a choice between musician and drug addict. Beneath both those lofty accolades lies a human being and that is who I am siding with.
I can simplify it so easily because she's not a person I know and love on a personal level, she's a celebrity, isn't that what society does with celebrities? We discuss them on a level that's separate from them as human beings - their fans "get to know them" on a personal level (as far as one can do so as a fan without actually knowing them) - but to most people, a celebrity is just a name and a face. That's personally how I can simplify it like that, I understand that others can't, but I can. The thread in Music dedicated to her musical contributions is for discussing her music, IMO, this is for discussing her death and her status as a celebrity addict because the working assumption seems to be that her death was drink/drugs related.
I like curse words. Simple. It's not just anger ... I use them all the time. I'm still better spoken than nine tenths of the members on here and what matters more? I'll pick a cursing, well read person any day of the week. I say that without reservation and with full knowledge of what a pretentious gargoyle it must make me sound like.
I'm an optimist myself. The glass has always been half full over at camp Stu. Not to sound awful because you seem like a nice person but I value proper punctuation and language far more than I do people who refrain from cursing. Your posts aren't exactly a tour de force of the English language. I don't expect them to be but christ. Perspective, please :).
Fair dews then Stu, I will say no more, carrying on cursing.:devil:
Zippy
23-07-2011, 08:35 PM
..carrying on cursing.:devil:
he will, he will
Carry on cursing at Camp Stu
Scarlett.
23-07-2011, 08:35 PM
I wont remember her for her actions over the last four years, I'll remember her for 'Valerie', 'Rehab' and all her other hits, I feel sorry for her, sure she got addicted to drugs, but she was like everyone else in the world, she made bad decisions. This wasnt really helped by her mess of a dad selling stories about her to the tabloids either...
R.I.P Amy :(
I can simplify it so easily because she's not a person I know and love on a personal level, she's a celebrity, isn't that what society does with celebrities? We discuss them on a level that's separate from them as human beings - their fans "get to know them" on a personal level (as far as one can do so as a fan without actually knowing them) - but to most people, a celebrity is just a name and a face. That's personally how I can simplify it like that, I understand that others can't, but I can. The thread in Music dedicated to her musical contributions is for discussing her music, IMO, this is for discussing her death and her status as a celebrity addict because the working assumption seems to be that her death was drink/drugs related.
I think your right about celebs they themselves class themselves has super human at the end of the day, they have to do the same things we do, wash etc. also they will die, my idol was Freddie Mercury and whatever is personal life was like his music remains long after his death, I will remember him for music not his personal life.
I can simplify it so easily because she's not a person I know and love on a personal level, she's a celebrity, isn't that what society does with celebrities? We discuss them on a level that's separate from them as human beings - their fans "get to know them" on a personal level (as far as one can do so as a fan without actually knowing them) - but to most people, a celebrity is just a name and a face. That's personally how I can simplify it like that, I understand that others can't, but I can. The thread in Music dedicated to her musical contributions is for discussing her music, IMO, this is for discussing her death and her status as a celebrity addict because the working assumption seems to be that her death was drink/drugs related.
She is not a person I know and love on a personal level either. You don't exactly need to know and love her to sympathise with the fact that a tortured soul lay beneath the media personality. And like I said that is who I am siding and sympathising with. It's not that hard. She wasn't just a caricature drug addict for goodness sake so saying 'well it's okay for me to discuss her on those terms' to me is ultra frivilous.
I wish I wasn't drunk because I have the feeling I could tear these posts apart a lot better. I'll come back in the morning.
Fair dews then Stu, I will say no more, carrying on cursing.:devil:
Thank you for your effing understanding :wink:.
Pyramid*
23-07-2011, 08:37 PM
How can you simplify it so easily? It's not just a choice between musician and drug addict. Beneath both those lofty accolades lies a human being and that is who I am siding with.
I have no sympathy for heavy drug users. There are many people who are human beings that I have not one iota of sympathy for. Being a human beng does not make a person something special.
AW had the world as her oyster. Had the world at her feet. She had the means to do right by herself - not others - by herself, her own life - she chose not to.
I certainly don't side with someone who has some talent, has the resources to help with her 'addictions/demons' but choses to snort it, inject, smoke and drink her life away. Why didn't respect herself: why should sympathy be expected now that the inevitable has happened? If it was not overdose but suicide: neither do I respect that. And before you ask: yes - I have experience of both affecting my life, so I'm in a position to put forth an educated and experinced point of view on those matters.
She is not a person I know and love on a personal level either. You don't exactly need to know and love her to sympathise with the fact that a tortured soul lay beneath the media personality. And like I said that is who I am siding and sympathising with. It's not that hard. She wasn't just a caricature drug addict for goodness sake so saying 'well it's okay for me to discuss her on those terms' to me is ultra frivilous.
I wish I wasn't drunk because I have the feeling I could tear these posts apart a lot better. I'll come back in the morning.
Thank you for your effing understanding :wink:.
Thank fock for that mother f&ucker we can all curse mate.
Claymores
23-07-2011, 08:39 PM
Can't you debate without being so supercillious?
You are hilarious Pyr - you say what needs said back to pretentious users.
lily.
23-07-2011, 08:41 PM
I don't think she's in the same league as the others in the 27 club to be honest, but it remains to be seen how she's remembered.
She is not a person I know and love on a personal level either. You don't exactly need to know and love her to sympathise with the fact that a tortured soul lay beneath the media personality. And like I said that is who I am siding and sympathising with. It's not that hard. She wasn't just a caricature drug addict for goodness sake so saying 'well it's okay for me to discuss her on those terms' to me is ultra frivilous.
I wish I wasn't drunk because I have the feeling I could tear these posts apart a lot better. I'll come back in the morning.
Thank you for your effing understanding :wink:.
But I'm not denying that? She didn't choose to become a media joke, nobody does. I feel sorry for her family, but I don't feel sorry for her - she made a choice to walk down the path towards addiction, and that's not something I will ever feel sympathy towards because of my experiences with it in my own life. To you it might seem frivolous but to me it's like discussing the weather, I had no interest in her artistry or her drug problems, I don't know how else I can put it. I don't think there's any need to tear any posts apart, it's just my view and it's not going to change by having this discussion with anybody on this forum, or anywhere else. I don't pity drug addicts, that's not going to change.
I have no sympathy for heavy drug users. There are many people who are human beings that I have not one iota of sympathy for. Being a human beng does not make a person something special.
AW had the world as her oyster. Had the world at her feet. She had the means to do right by herself - not others - by herself, her own life - she chose not to.
I certainly don't side with someone who has some talent, has the resources to help with her 'addictions/demons' but choses to snort it, inject, smoke and drink her life away. Why didn't respect herself: why should sympathy be expected now that the inevitable has happened? If it was not overdose but suicide: neither do I respect that. And before you ask: yes - I have experience of both affecting my life, so I'm in a position to put forth an educated and experinced point of view on those matters.
I have sympathy for any human being who wasn't an outwardly bad person who died before their time. It doesn't matter to me that she had it coming. I know she did. Most do. I still sympathise. That is simply where we differ. My heart bleeds for her as it does many of my own close relatives who have killed themselves with gear and booze.
They made their own bed but it doesn't stop me from grieving. That's as simpe as I can phrase my views on this.
I pity drug addicts. Absoloutely. They are lost souls and absoloutely deserve all our help for as long as they remain breathing.
arista
23-07-2011, 08:48 PM
People being hysterical over her death and for some reason it being far more interesting to talk about than the bomb and massacre situation in Norway? Her problems have been all over the media for four years, I just think people should be more concerned about Norway than Amy Winehouse, get some perspective you know?
http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4404973#post4404973
Here is the thread for Norway Attack,
Zee.
Have you posted on it???
This thread is about the loss of Amy.
Zippy
23-07-2011, 08:49 PM
I have no sympathy for heavy drug users.
nobody needs your sympathy.
But your need to ram your point home and continually insist she got what she deserved is just tasteless and unnecessary. Especially since her body is barely cold.
If you can't say anything kind or sympathetic about somebodies death then you really should just zip it. At least for a day or two. Let those who are sad mourn her death ffs.
It's not like she's a murderer who deserved to die.
Tom4784
23-07-2011, 08:49 PM
People who think addiction is all about choice and that it's her own fault come across as the ignorant morons they are. I hate drugs and I hate people who take them but I understand that addiction is an illness and one that's hard to beat, you won't get over it as quickly as Phil Mitchell did in Eastenders...
Amy Winehouse was a troubled soul, she obviously couldn't have shook the need for drugs off if she wanted to.
Pyramid*
23-07-2011, 08:49 PM
Thank fock for that mother f&ucker we can all curse mate.
And on that...I totally agree. !!!
You are hilarious Pyr - you say what needs said back to pretentious users.
You are meant to be doing a bit of partaking in some legal 'drugs' ..... get your pint down yer neck!!
I don't think she's in the same league as the others in the 27 club to be honest, but it remains to be seen how she's remembered.
Neither do I Lily. As you say, rightly: it remains to be seen. Although: i get the distinct feeling: there will be much sympathy coming from the heavy drug users all over the place - whether they were fans or not - making someone into some sort of 'legend' because they had a bit of talent, a few good songs then spent the remainder of the following years doing not much other than being out of minds on whatever the drug of the hour was: there are more deserving cases worthy of being exalted status.
She is not a person I know and love on a personal level either. You don't exactly need to know and love her to sympathise with the fact that a tortured soul lay beneath the media personality. And like I said that is who I am siding and sympathising with. It's not that hard. She wasn't just a caricature drug addict for goodness sake so saying 'well it's okay for me to discuss her on those terms' to me is ultra frivilous.
I wish I wasn't drunk because I have the feeling I could tear these posts apart a lot better. I'll come back in the morning.
Thank you for your effing understanding :wink:.
I went from the laptop for a mo and came back and realised I was been pissed on. I wont fall for it again. If you dont like the way I post just say.
Scarlett.
23-07-2011, 08:53 PM
People who think addiction is all about choice and that it's her own fault come across as the ignorant morons they are. I hate drugs and I hate people who take them but I understand that addiction is an illness and one that's hard to beat, you won't get over it as quickly as Phil Mitchell did in Eastenders...
Amy Winehouse was a troubled soul, she obviously couldn't have shook the need for drugs off if she wanted to.
Totally this.
People who think addiction is all about choice and that it's her own fault come across as the ignorant morons they are. I hate drugs and I hate people who take them but I understand that addiction is an illness and one that's hard to beat, you won't get over it as quickly as Phil Mitchell did in Eastenders...
Amy Winehouse was a troubled soul, she obviously couldn't have shook the need for drugs off if she wanted to.
No, taking addictive substances is a choice. That's the point I and others I assume are trying to make, and that's where the lack of pity stems from. It's obviously sad to see somebody struggle with addiction, but I can also be unsympathetic towards them for making that choice in the first place at the same time. I am not an ignorant moron. She, or someone who loved her, could have at least tried, I think people were more interested in taking advantage of her by making money out of her rather than helping her. It is physically possible to remove yourself from harmful circumstances when you have the kind of money she had, if you really wanted to, by virtue of her not doing that, I therefore think that she didn't really want to quit and again, have no sympathy. It's just an ideological thing I think, people tend to have concrete views on addiction.
People who think addiction is all about choice and that it's her own fault come across as the ignorant morons they are. I hate drugs and I hate people who take them but I understand that addiction is an illness and one that's hard to beat, you won't get over it as quickly as Phil Mitchell did in Eastenders...
Amy Winehouse was a troubled soul, she obviously couldn't have shook the need for drugs off if she wanted to.
Well said. Pyramid herself has sampled drug addiction - namely Nicotine - yet refuses to legitamise my comparative arguments which are entirely credible. Tobacco slowly kills you and slowly reels you in. Crack and Heroin can kill you much faster and reel you in much faster. They are far, far, far more pleasing than tobacco.
Any regular smoker should have absoloutely symptahy and understanding for how horrific a hardcore drug addiction can be. I refuse to see the point in any 'she got what she deserved' or 'well my uncle ...' style arguments.
I'm betting she didn't actually want to die and like I said at the top of the thread ... the buck stops there for me. And even if she did screw it up for herself ... I feel sorry for her. What's the harm in that? It's a lost life for christ sake.
That's all I'm going to say on the matter before it gets messy. I've articulated myself as much as I can.
keithafc
23-07-2011, 08:56 PM
RIP. She was brilliant but flawed. All i will say on it.
Pyramid*
23-07-2011, 08:58 PM
People who think addiction is all about choice and that it's her own fault come across as the ignorant morons they are. I hate drugs and I hate people who take them but I understand that addiction is an illness and one that's hard to beat, you won't get over it as quickly as Phil Mitchell did in Eastenders...
Amy Winehouse was a troubled soul, she obviously couldn't have shook the need for drugs off if she wanted to.
Some of us who say addiction is all about choice....'come across as the ignorant morons they are' (I thought insulting members was against the rules??:conf:).
May I'd respectfully suggest that the generalised insult you've just banded about, be tapered ... there are quite a few on this forum who have had loved ones destroyed by the very same thing and do indeed have much very personal experience upon which to put forward such views. Having such a view does not make any of us 'the ignorant morans they are'
For you to equate it - in any respect - to a character in a soap - does nothing but make a farce out of the serious nature of some drug taking. Legal or not.
Out of interest: what speciality do you have to say that 'she obviously couldn't have shook the need for drugs off if she wanted to'? Are you party to some information on AW on a personal level that allows you to make such affirmation on her psyche? :conf:
No, taking addictive substances is a choice. That's the point I and others I assume are trying to make, and that's where the lack of pity stems from. It's obviously sad to see somebody struggle with addiction, but I can also be unsympathetic towards them for making that choice in the first place at the same time. I am not an ignorant moron. She, or someone who loved her, could have at least tried, I think people were more interested in taking advantage of her by making money out of her rather than helping her. It is physically possible to remove yourself from harmful circumstances when you have the kind of money she had, if you really wanted to, by virtue of her not doing that, I therefore think that she didn't really want to quit and again, have no sympathy. It's just an ideological thing I think, people tend to have concrete views on addiction.
Absurd. ''Taking addictive substances is a choice'' is an oxymoron. Once addiction to a drug like Heroin takes hold your body demands it or it will get very, very ill. It's possible to quit ... it's always possible to quit ... but your psyche also changes and deludes you into thinking that taking drugs is the best option. That's why it's called addiction.
Think about that for a moment. I hate to sound patronising but it's so, so hard to understand unless you have been there. Your mind changes. Your very own mind. You suffer damn near hallucinations. Delusions. Physical and mental cravings telling you that you need drugs. Neurological quips that can override that small voice of sense.
Surely you also see the folly in saying she had a huge amount of money so she could have quit? A huge amount of money also means easier and faster means to get drugs.
I absoloutely agree with you on her family though. From what I understand they played a huge role in pushing her to drugs and keeping her there.
I have dealings on a daily basis with drug users . They life is all about drugs and how they can raise they're money to get it, usually stealing from personal experience. The drug must be mind blowing good for them to keep needing the stuff. People say the feeling they get is of euphoria.
Tom4784
23-07-2011, 09:03 PM
Some of us who say addiction is all about choice....'come across as the ignorant morons they are' (I thought insulting members was against the rules??:conf:).
May I'd respectfully suggest that the generalised insult you've just banded about, be tapered ... there are quite a few on this forum who have had loved ones destroyed by the very same thing and do indeed have much very personal experience upon which to put forward such views. Having such a view does not make any of us 'the ignorant morans they are'
For you to equate it - in any respect - to a character in a soap - does nothing but make a farce out of the serious nature of some drug taking. Legal or not.
Out of interest: what speciality do you have to say that 'she obviously couldn't have shook the need for drugs off if she wanted to'? Are you party to some information on AW on a personal level that allows you to make such affirmation on her psyche? :conf:
Whooooosh.
Go look for an argument elsewhere Pyramid, I'm not biting tonight.
Pyramid*
23-07-2011, 09:04 PM
Well said. Pyramid herself has sampled drug addiction - namely Nicotine - yet refuses to legitamise my comparative arguments which are entirely credible. Tobacco slowly kills you and slowly reels you in. Crack and Heroin can kill you much faster and reel you in much faster. They are far, far, far more pleasing than tobacco.
Any regular smoker should have absoloutely symptahy and understanding for how horrific a hardcore drug addiction can be. I refuse to see the point in any 'she got what she deserved' or 'well my uncle ...' style arguments.
I'm betting she didn't actually want to die and like I said at the top of the thread ... the buck stops there for me. And even if she did screw it up for herself ... I feel sorry for her. What's the harm in that? It's a lost life for christ sake.
That's all I'm going to say on the matter before it gets messy. I've articulated myself as much as I can.
Since when did anyone die from from having a few too many fags one Saturday afternoon at the age of 27?
What happened to your prevous thought that smoking shouldn't be used as a comparison ... as you stated in your earlier post - I thought you didn't think it had any place in this type of discussion: or is it only smoking when it's referred to hash/weed/bit of skunk.
It took me twenty four hours to stop smoking dope after a daily four year habit. It's far from perfect but it shoudln't even be brought up as a point of comparison in addiction debates.
I DON'T WANT TO CLoSE ANOTHER THREAD BECAUSE OF ARGUING.
STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP STOP
Absurd. ''Taking addictive substances is a choice'' is an oxymoron. Once addiction to a drug like Heroin takes hold your body demands it or it will get very, very ill. It's possible to quit ... it's always possible to quit ... but your psyche also changes and deludes you into thinking that taking drugs is the best option. That's why it's called addiction.
Think about that for a moment. I hate to sound patronising but it's so, so hard to understand unless you have been there. Your mind changes. Your very own mind. You suffer damn near hallucinations. Delusions. Physical and mental cravings telling you that you need drugs. Neurological quips that can override that small voice of sense.
Surely you also see the folly in saying she had a huge amount of money so she could have quit? A huge amount of money also means easier and faster means to get drugs.
I absoloutely agree with you on her family though. From what I understand they played a huge role in pushing her to drugs and keeping her there.
...yes, I'm not talking about the act of taking drugs though, I'm talking about the choice to actually take them in the first place. When you get offered, and you say yes. She's not a woman who was tricked into sex trafficking, nor was she born to a mother addicted to drugs and therefore came out of the womb addicted to them - she made a choice at some point in her life to take drugs.
Absolutely, re: her money, but if she truly wanted to quit drugs, all she had to do was take that first step of removing herself from an environment where she could access drugs. Move to the countryside. Go to an obscure island. Lock yourself in and never come out again. There are options, and she had the money to utilise them, which isn't an option available to many drug addicts.
Absurd. ''Taking addictive substances is a choice'' is an oxymoron. Once addiction to a drug like Heroin takes hold your body demands it or it will get very, very ill. It's possible to quit ... it's always possible to quit ... but your psyche also changes and deludes you into thinking that taking drugs is the best option. That's why it's called addiction.
Think about that for a moment. I hate to sound patronising but it's so, so hard to understand unless you have been there. Your mind changes. Your very own mind. You suffer damn near hallucinations. Delusions. Physical and mental cravings telling you that you need drugs. Neurological quips that can override that small voice of sense.
Surely you also see the folly in saying she had a huge amount of money so she could have quit? A huge amount of money also means easier and faster means to get drugs.
I absoloutely agree with you on her family though. From what I understand they played a huge role in pushing her to drugs and keeping her there.
I hate to quote myself but to think of a good comparison :
Imagine a schizophrenic person trying to convince themselves that the voices in their head are just that. Voices.
That's what hardcore drug addiction is. The worst of it. How come schizophrenics cannot just choose to be sane?
Drug addiction at it's worst is a mental illness.
Pyramid*
23-07-2011, 09:07 PM
Whooooosh.
Go look for an argument elsewhere Pyramid, I'm not biting tonight.
No argument here Dezzy.
I'm putting over my point. Nothing more, nothing less.
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