Riots in Tottenham & Other Parts of London & UK

[Tom4784]

Video of that twat everyone was going on about last night on Sky News:

SIkUED0QUOA

Scum :bored:

I watched that live, I've come across bagels that were more intelligent.

Everything seems quite normal where I live, I went to the local shopping centre and there wasn't much trouble but I've got to go to Dudley in an hour and that's right next to Wolverhampton so I'm gonna be quite tense until I'm safely on the bus back.

[Crimson Dynamo]

when it comes to defending their gaff:hugesmile:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/10/article-2024358-0D5EFEA800000578-806_964x632.jpg


Reclaiming the streets: Sikhs defend their temple and locals protect their pubs as ordinary Britons defy the rioters

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2024358/UK-RIOTS-2011-Sikhs-defend-temple-locals-protect-pubs-Britons-defy-rioters.html#ixzz1Ucvv4VFb

[Livia]

I've got to say... I've never met a Sikh I didn't like.

[bbfan1991]

The story about the guys being ran over in Brum is heartbreaking:(. How upsetting for their families, the police have arrested someone, if they did it hope the courts give them a lengthy prison sentence.

[Scarlett.]

Another COBRA meeting is down for 8:30am tommorow, followed by Parliment

[MTVN]

http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=9005180674

Said without a hint of irony

[billy123]

The seagulls have stepped up their game bags of crisps were just the beginning.
http://i.imgur.com/b0ICP.gif

[billy123]

http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=9005180674

Said without a hint of ironyThat is surreal. WEtRoZ5FWNc

[Callum]

The seagulls have stepped up their game bags of crisps were just the beginning.
http://i.imgur.com/b0ICP.gif

:joker:

[Livia]

http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=9005180674

Said without a hint of irony

LMAO... you couldn't make it up, could you.

[bbfan1991]

Croydon rioter confesses on Facebook. BUSTED!!!

http://twitpic.com/63kvp8

[CharlieO]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14458424

This girl is an abomination to this country. She literally knows nothing about the country

Just seen this. Such a ****ing idiot girl. The rich people have done nothing bad except for not giving away free crap to these yobs. Just because these people cant accept the fact they ****ed up their education and lives and are now blaming it on other people.

[bbfan1991]

Picture got removed:bored:, a journalist posted it aswell.

[Livia]

Just seen this. Such a ****ing idiot girl. The rich people have done nothing bad except for not giving away free crap to these yobs. Just because these people cant accept the fact they ****ed up their education and lives and are now blaming it on other people.

"It's the Government innit... Yeah... Conservatives.... or... whoever".

What a pair of unemployable morons.

[Livia]

Croydon rioter confesses on Facebook. BUSTED!!!

http://twitpic.com/63kvp8

What made me laugh the most was the line that said "Fight, Fire, Trash and Destroy Croydon" and ended with the word "Peace". Peace!?!

[bbfan1991]

What made me laugh the most was the line that said "Fight, Fire, Trash and Destroy Croydon" and ended with the word "Peace". Peace!?!

Trying to act tough with ghetto talk:laugh:.

[Scarlett.]

Scotland have dispatched 250 officers to the North and Midlands

[Livia]

Scotland have dispatched 250 officers to the North and Midlands

Not heard about too much trouble in Scotland. But then... that's where a man punched a burning terrorist to the ground at Glasgow Airport. I should think the disaffected youth of Glasgow would think twice.

[Scarlett.]

Not heard about too much trouble in Scotland. But then... that's where a man punched a burning terrorist to the ground at Glasgow Airport. I should think the disaffected youth of Glasgow would think twice.

I meant deployed to the North of England and the Midlands :p I reckon Scotland will do okay :)

[Crimson Dynamo]

I meant deployed to the North of England and the Midlands :p I reckon Scotland will do okay :)

Its pouring rain and 12 degrees today in Scotland, not conducive to "rioting"

We do not have a big enough ethnic mix of people who do not connect with the country. What ethnicity we have in (mainly) Glasgow are fairly Glaswegian and would not batter their own city.


Think of Navid below:

JvFG47VYHmE

[Lee.]

Navid! :love:

[Scarlett.]

Salford town center closing at 4pm
Arndale at 5pm

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[Patrick]

they better have the rubber bullets out tonight, we cant let this carry on
anyone involved deserves to die

afOREVhWlCY


This actually makes me laugh so much.

There's been mayhem in your country for what 3/4 days now? And the police haven't even been ordered to use Rubber Bullets or a Water Cannon?

Yet, here - when there's an annual riot, the water cannot is out in 12 Minutes and the police have no bother using rubber bullets?

The Ex Police Constable here made an interesting speech last night something about how it's okay for the police to be ordered to use Rubber Bullets and Watercannons on Nationalists at every given chance in NI - but when it comes to their own homes - it's a different ball game altogether?

The same rules should apply for both sides.

It's a ******ing joke and embarrassment that getting a water cannon out in London is such a 'big deal'.

[Patrick]

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/229697_234349309936963_234349196603641_613918_7203 218_n.jpg

Someone got the wrong idea when his mate's told him they were going out robbing Curry's.

:joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:

Riots were planned in Glasgow on Facebook by a 16-year-old boy for the 12 August. He has since been arrested.

LOL What sort of a dick head plans a riot on Facebook?


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/09/article-0-0D5C00E500000578-260_306x520.jpg

Alexandra BB9 :suspect:

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:


So far I have seen very little evidence of a riot anywhere. I have seen looting, arson and some stone throwing.

Exactly, it's hardly a ******ing riot - more like chavs simply lighting things on fire and stealing packets of crisps and booze. :bored:


wonder if terrorist will use this distraction to make a move. Or maybe they only like to act when they can have everyones full attention

Could do - all hell would break loose.

There was a page on Facebook last night,

'Taking back our six counties because the English are too distracted right now.'

Made me laugh, I can't remember much from History class last year - I fell asleep through it all mostly but I remember something about England or Ireland being distracted with something else, and then the other country using this as a chance to attack.

Would be crazy sh*t if that happened again - not just talking about the Irish but also with just Terrorists as you said.

[Patrick]

These pages:

The London Riots would never of happened if Dobby didn't die! (http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-London-riots-never-would-have-happened-if-Dobby-didnt-die/144170882333983)

Being from Belfast and pointing out flaws in the Londoners Riot techniques. (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Being-from-Ardoyne-and-pointing-out-flaws-in-Londoners-rioting-techniques/184095731656698?ref=pb)

Dobby would ****** this rioters up! (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Dobby-would-****-these-rioters-up/123714291057246)

Don't worry everyone, Phil Mitchell will sort these riots out. (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Dont-Worry-Phil-Mitchell-will-sort-all-the-riots-out/202337453155120?ref=pb)

[CharlieO]

Blackberry Messenger or BBM has been shut down temporarily because of the riots as its apparently seen as an organisational tool like text messages on steroids.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2023924/London-riots-2011-BlackBerry-Messenger-shut-unbelievable.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

[Patrick]

Blackberry Messenger or BBM has been shut down temporarily because of the riots as its apparently seen as an organisational tool like text messages on steroids.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2023924/London-riots-2011-BlackBerry-Messenger-shut-unbelievable.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Oh ****** Off, Seriously? :bored:

I guess this just proves most chavs have Black Berry's - which is why I'm selling mine.

[King Gizzard]

Perfectly summed up

http://p.twimg.com/AWclYOKCEAErjAQ.jpg

[Boothy]

Plan B speaks out about the riots.

He sounds high as **** here.

http://time.4planb.net/LondonRiot_raw.mp3

[Scarlett.]

Exactly, it's hardly a ******ing riot - more like chavs simply lighting things on fire and stealing packets of crisps and booze. :bored:


What do you class as a riot then? Four people are already dead, hundreds more injured, buildings reduced to rubble, shops closing early, courts working 24 hours just to clear the MASSIVE backlog of arrests and being boarded up to prevent vandalism...:s

[King Gizzard]

Riots official meaning is 12 or more people causing a disturbance

So yeah its a riot

[MTVN]

What do you class as a riot then? Four people are already dead, hundreds more injured, buildings reduced to rubble, shops closing early, courts working 24 hours just to clear the MASSIVE backlog of arrests and being boarded up to prevent vandalism...:s

Exactly, Patrick seems to think that Belfast has some kind of a monopoly on riots

[Scarlett.]

Indeed ^

This actually makes me laugh so much.

There's been mayhem in your country for what 3/4 days now? And the police haven't even been ordered to use Rubber Bullets or a Water Cannon?

Yet, here - when there's an annual riot, the water cannot is out in 12 Minutes and the police have no bother using rubber bullets?

The Ex Police Constable here made an interesting speech last night something about how it's okay for the police to be ordered to use Rubber Bullets and Watercannons on Nationalists at every given chance in NI - but when it comes to their own homes - it's a different ball game altogether?

The same rules should apply for both sides.

It's a ******ing joke and embarrassment that getting a water cannon out in London is such a 'big deal'.

It's because English police (not Northern Irish police (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_Service_of_Northern_Ireland)) don't usually fight violence with violence, as evidenced by the refusal to give bobby's on the beat a firearm. A water cannon has NEVER been used in England before, but ya know, when London, Manchester, Liverpool, Salford, Leicestershire, Gloucester, Nottingham, Birmingham, Bristol and Wolverhampton are in a state of unrest...these decisions have to be taken

[Patrick]

Exactly, Patrick seems to think that Belfast has some kind of a monopoly on riots

I think you'll find it was LeatherTrumpet who made the OP I just agreed.
So take it up with him.

Indeed ^



It's because English police don't usually fight violence with violence, as evidenced by the refusal to give bobby's on the beat a firearm. A water cannon has NEVER been used in England before, but ya know, when London, Manchester, Liverpool, Salford, Leicestershire, Gloucester, Nottingham, Birmingham, Bristol and Wolverhampton are in a state of unrest...these decisions have to be taken


Yes, and incase you forgot - it's the English that want and currently do, rule Northern Ireland.

And the majority of Northern Ireland's police service - are British.

So it's okay for them to order hell to be brought down on rioters every year here - even if the riot is small, but when it comes to their own country and their own people, they're a little more hasty about when and how to go about stopping it.

I agree with you - when all those cities are under attack, those decisions should be taken yes - but they should of been made ages ago.
Not now 3/4 days into the riots?

[Scarlett.]

I think you'll find it was LeatherTrumpet who made the OP I just agreed.
So take it up with him.




Yes, and incase you forgot - it's the English that want and currently do, rule Northern Ireland.

And the majority of Northern Ireland's police service - are British.

So it's okay for them to order hell to be brought down on rioters every year here - even if the riot is small, but when it comes to their own country and their own people, they're a little more hasty about when and how to go about stopping it.

I agree with you - when all those cities are under attack, those decisions should be taken yes - but they should of been made ages ago.
Not now 3/4 days into the riots?

Britain isn't England, Britain is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

[billy123]

Oh god our home town is now under siege :( when will the madness end?
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[InOne]

:joker:

[CharlieO]

:laugh2:

[Scarlett.]

That video is awesome :D

[arista]

Perfectly summed up

http://p.twimg.com/AWclYOKCEAErjAQ.jpg


Spiffing

[Crimson Dynamo]

This actually makes me laugh so much.

There's been mayhem in your country for what 3/4 days now? And the police haven't even been ordered to use Rubber Bullets or a Water Cannon?

Yet, here - when there's an annual riot, the water cannot is out in 12 Minutes and the police have no bother using rubber bullets?

The Ex Police Constable here made an interesting speech last night something about how it's okay for the police to be ordered to use Rubber Bullets and Watercannons on Nationalists at every given chance in NI - but when it comes to their own homes - it's a different ball game altogether?

The same rules should apply for both sides.

It's a ******ing joke and embarrassment that getting a water cannon out in London is such a 'big deal'.

Stop thinking the country is what you see on tv. There have been some disturbances in small areas of some cities. 99.999% of the UK is unaffected and could give one.


Its a minor incident on the grand scale of things.

[billy123]

Stop thinking the country is what you see on tv. There have been some disturbances in small areas of some cities. 99.999% of the UK is unaffected and could give one.


Its a minor incident on the grand scale of things.Stop it you will short circuit his brain :nono:

[michael21]

sign of the times :bawling:

[Marc]

I can't believe people have died :(

[bbfan1991]

Two people already jailed for their part in last night's disorder - swift justice

[billy123]

Shocking pictures of a fire burning a few doors down from my house :(



http://www.bedandbreakfastintelford.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/grahams-camera-0821.JPG

[Marc]

Two people already jailed for their part in last night's disorder - swift justice

Good. I hope they rot in jail

[arista]

One Punk
on the Riots works in a Primary School
it has been found out.


Ref : SkyNewsHD ,LBC , Radio5

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/10/article-2024396-0D60D26000000578-325_634x607.jpg
Primary school worker Alexis Bailey walking away
from court after admitting burglary

[bbfan1991]

Two men sentenced to 10 weeks and 16 weeks. First of many.

[Boothy]

One Punk
on the Riots works in a Primary School
it has been found out.


Ref : SkyNewsHD ,LBC , Radio5

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/10/article-2024396-0D60D26000000578-325_634x607.jpg
Primary school worker Alexis Bailey walking away
from court after admitting burglary

45 seconds in. Watch the bloke closely
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[ILoveTRW]

Just seen some hag and her children on the news defending the looting
if i knew her address id go round and batter her and her chav kids
genocide is the answer

[arista]

Just seen some hag and her children on the news defending the looting
if i knew her address id go round and batter her and her chav kids
genocide is the answers


Yes its Sick
how some think.

[arista]

David Cameron and Nick Clegg
have both said Criminals on Riots
that live in Council Flats
should be Evicted.


Ref: BBC Radio London


Bang On Right
Conservative - LibDem.

[Callum]

No reports on new riots?

[arista]

No reports on new riots?



No
3 Asians dead from a car Evil Car Driver
1 Man in Hospital trying to stop Looters and Fire starters
was Punched to the ground and is fighting for his life,

Many Groups of Good People are now out protectiong there own places
as Gangs try to carry on.
Police do not want that
but it has all changed

[Marsh.]

Half the ****ing morons don't even know what's actually happening. Some chavvy girl saying it's "all the goverments fault. Them conservatives... or whatever they're called".
FGS, get a clue.

[michael21]

No
3 Asians dead from a car Evil Car Driver
1 Man in Hospital trying to stop Looters and Fire starters
was Punched to the ground and is fighting for his life,

Many Groups of Good People are now out protectiong there own places
as Gangs try to carry on.
Police do not want that
but it has all changed

sign of the times

[Scarlett.]

Glad everything seems peaceful tonight

[bbfan1991]

Mother drags rioting son, 11, to court. Good!

http://twitpic.com/641sho

[HBB1508]

Send the rioters to Somalia where they will find out what it means to have nothing and just fight to live every day.

[Scarlett.]

Custody vans queueing up outside Manchester's court rooms
http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/large/369611870.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJF3XCCKACR3QDMOA&Expires=1313010639&Signature=0Zd9U8XRNR%2Fee33F6Ve0zMGOMLs%3D

[arista]

Yes Ch4News
Reported that Some London Courts are staying open all night long
to get through the amount.

[HBB1508]

Oh it's raining guess the yobs can't afford raincoats then!!

[Kerry]

Oh it's raining guess the yobs can't afford raincoats then!!

They forgot to nick some

[Sticks]

Thank goodness for rain as it will mean people will have time to come to their senses.

I suggest a study of memes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme) which is what I believed happened here.

These memes are like an intellectual virus, taking control of people and causing them to act in a way they would not normally do so.

[Marsh.]

Just read that Sony are giving a new PSP to the boy who was mugged by the guys who help him up after he was injured, nice to know there's still some good out there.

[Mystic Mock]

Just seen some hag and her children on the news defending the looting
if i knew her address id go round and batter her and her chav kids
genocide is the answer

Dont get me started on that bitch and her thuggish looking children.

[HBB1508]

Just read that Sony are giving a new PSP to the boy who was mugged by the guys who help him up after he was injured, nice to know there's still some good out there.

I'm really glad to hear this as I feel so sorry for him - only been in the country 4 weeks it's not a great welcome.

[HBB1508]

Mother drags rioting son, 11, to court. Good!

http://twitpic.com/641sho

Yet they won't name him for legal reasons - if they are old enough to commit these crimes then they are old enough to be named and shamed.

[Mystic Mock]

Yet they won't name him for legal reasons - if they are old enough to commit these crimes then they are old enough to be named and shamed.

Agreed but we all know what this soft country is like,I mean even one of the rioters has only been sentence to a day in prison which is a joke.

[Scarlett.]

Just read that Sony are giving a new PSP to the boy who was mugged by the guys who help him up after he was injured, nice to know there's still some good out there.

Yeah, his name has been revealed as Ashraf Haziq, a Malaysian student, google him, there's a campaign to help him :)

[Kerry]

Just read that Sony are giving a new PSP to the boy who was mugged by the guys who help him up after he was injured, nice to know there's still some good out there.

:love:

[Kerry]

Yeah, his name has been revealed as Ashraf Haziq, a Malaysian student, google him, there's a campaign to help him :)

Plus the police know who did it. One I believe has been caught. Fantastic news

[HBB1508]

Agreed but we all know what this soft country is like,I mean even one of the rioters has only been sentence to a day in prison which is a joke.

I know I thought the government promised hard sentences but it's just a joke - lock them up and throw away the key - sorry if that's harsh but I think it's dispicable what they are doing to their own communities - don't mess on your own doorstep!

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/4427/breakn.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/28/breakn.jpg/)

this pic will always break my heart very badly. an old man like this with maybe not long here. that's all he's left with. and look at him all dressed and dapper :(

[arista]

Just read that Sony are giving a new PSP to the boy who was mugged by the guys who help him up after he was injured, nice to know there's still some good out there.


Yes nice of Sony UK.

[Marsh.]

this pic will always break my heart very badly. an old man like this with maybe not long here. that's all he's left with. and look at him all dressed and dapper :(

That's what makes me sick the most. The riots affecting private businesses and innocent people's homes.
This man and many others who would have worked their whole lives and deserve more respect than having some chavvy little teenage skid mark tear it down in one night.

[Liberty4eva]

are these race riots?

[*mazedsalv**]

Sangat TV are by FAR doing the best coverage. I have been hooked since last night.

Loads of people from Muslim and Sikh religion are all standing together lighting candles, with a few white people there... nice community and calmness :)

[Scarlett.]

are these race riots?

No, there's certain people trying to make them race riots, but basically it's been looting for lootings sake

[arista]

are these race riots?


No

Its groups of good people who
who have had enough of these
Criminal Gangs of Greed

[Boothy]

Sangat TV are by FAR doing the best coverage. I have been hooked since last night.

Loads of people from Muslim and Sikh religion are all standing together lighting candles, with a few white people there... nice community and calmness :)

It's amazing. The bloke is such a good presenter too.

[Liberty4eva]

No

Its groups of good people who
who have had enough of these
Criminal Gangs of Greed

Then they should be attacking the royal family and the big banks, me thinks.
But like that's ever gonna happen.

[Jordan.]

Are people still rioting?

[bbfan1991]

The Sun are claiming that rioters have taken things from the house of Amy Winehouse, if true:shocked::(.

[Stu]

http://i.imgur.com/zczD0.png

[Kerry]

Are people still rioting?

In Birmingham I think theres some trouble but otherwise things are relatively peaceful

[joeysteele]

Agreed but we all know what this soft country is like,I mean even one of the rioters has only been sentence to a day in prison which is a joke.

I totally agree with you jf, I hope in the statement to Parliament tomorrow that the Govt will suggest new sentencing guidelines especially for this crime.

I am not holding my breath though, as the law stands at present,the really young people caught for this, such as 11 to 16 year olds and even up to 18, cannot under the current laws likely be given custodial sentences.

[ILoveTRW]

Then they should be attacking the royal family and the big banks, me thinks.
But like that's ever gonna happen.

These people arent smart enough to think logically
all they know is that they sit at home all day and they want a bigger TV to watch jezza kyle on

[Scarlett.]

What would attacking the banks and the Queen accomplish - attack the banks and those banks are gonna need repairing, attacking the Queen - Yeah! Let's attack an OAP coz she's rich innit!

[Marsh.]

The Sun are claiming that rioters have taken things from the house of Amy Winehouse, if true:shocked::(.

Well if her dad still insists on standing there handing her stuff out like the Turin Shroud then what does he expect.

[Kerry]

Actually yes, attack the Queen. Or try. See how dead you'd get

[Liberty4eva]

What would attacking the banks and the Queen accomplish - attack the banks and those banks are gonna need repairing, attacking the Queen - Yeah! Let's attack an OAP coz she's rich innit!

The whole royal family is just this pool of incest and it's like everyone is hypnotized to worship them. But I guess if she's on your currency and see her face every day you're unlikely to think outside the box and realize that the royals have been screwing you for centuries.

[Stu]

It's hillarious the Britain still has a monarch. What is it the 1700's?

[Novo]

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/47905000/jpg/_47905523_pa_becks_gun.jpg

Becks will sort them out

[Kerry]

I have some of those boots

[Mystic Mock]

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/47905000/jpg/_47905523_pa_becks_gun.jpg

Becks will sort them out

He would do a better job than David Cameron and the police.:joker:

[Scarlett.]

The whole royal family is just this pool of incest and it's like everyone is hypnotized to worship them. But I guess if she's on your currency and see her face every day you're unlikely to think outside the box and realize that the royals have been screwing you for centuries.
No one in England worships the Queen...seriously, lmao

[Kerry]

I don't worship the Queen. They're a bunch of hypocrites. That said, I don't dislike them. Just indifferent to them. No family is perfect

[Scarlett.]

I don't worship the Queen. They're a bunch of hypocrites. That said, I don't dislike them. Just indifferent to them. No family is perfect
Same, they're harmless, a sideshow for tourists.

[King Gizzard]

Made a thread but might as well post it in here too...

sack him

http://lozzamusic.com/post/8752219594/westwood

[Liberty4eva]

No one in England worships the Queen...seriously, lmao

With all the hype of the royal wedding in the uk media and the streets, you could have fooled me. :rolleyes:

[Mystic Mock]

What Ive grown to love about the royal family since the riot,is if any criminal went near the buckingham palace that they can shoot the ****ers down.

[Kerry]

I wasn't aware it was the Queen who got married.....

[Scarlett.]

With all the hype of the royal wedding in the uk media and the streets, you could have fooled me. :rolleyes:

If you went through many streets in the UK, no1curr, the media bigged it up - not that that is a bad thing, promoting people celebrating as a community is good.

[InOne]

With all the hype of the royal wedding in the uk media and the streets, you could have fooled me. :rolleyes:

You were the ones who made a movie about it :joker:

[Liberty4eva]

What Ive grown to love about the royal family since the riot,is if any criminal went near the buckingham palace that they can shoot the ****ers down.

I would love it if in response to the looting they came up with a bumper sticker that said...
"Don't steal. The Banks and royal family hate competition."

[Scarlett.]

I would love it if in response to the looting they came up with a bumper sticker that said...
"Don't steal. The Banks and royal family hate competition."

Is that all you know about the UK? The banks and the royal family?

[Vicky.]

If you went through many streets in the UK, no1curr, the media bigged it up - not that that is a bad thing, promoting people celebrating as a community is good.

This.

When I watched the footage on the news about it all...and they were making out that everyone was having street parties in celebration etc...I couldnt believe it. Not one person I know did anything like that. Many used it as an excuse to get pissed(because of the bank holiday) but thats hardly anything to do with the wedding :joker:

[Kerry]

Is that all you know about the UK? The banks and the royal family?

Not exactly someone in a position to talk either........

[Scarlett.]

Not exactly someone in a position to talk either........

What do you mean?

[Kerry]

What do you mean?

American. How much debt again?

[InOne]

Bloody yanks :bored:

[Kerry]

Oh, not you Chewy lol. Just realised

[Scarlett.]

American. How much debt again?

Too true

(Ah, thought you were on about me there :hugesmile:)

[Kerry]

Too true

(Ah, thought you were on about me there :hugesmile:)

Sorry :D Wasn't clear.

[Scarlett.]

Sorry :D Wasn't clear.

lol, no worries :p

Comments like liberty4ever's remind me why people arent too keen on the Americans. These riots have come from issues in our society that have existed for a long time, putting this down to banks and the royal family is just...

[billy123]

Made a thread but might as well post it in here too...

sack him

http://lozzamusic.com/post/8752219594/westwood
Is that real? if westwood really has got anything to do with that then he is an idiot.

[Kerry]

I think he/she was saying it's the banks/royals that should be attacked

[Scarlett.]

Made a thread but might as well post it in here too...

sack him

http://lozzamusic.com/post/8752219594/westwoodDefinately sack him, he's always done nothing but nurture this gang culture

[Scarlett.]

I think he/she was saying it's the banks/royals that should be attacked

Oh yeah....kinda went off the track and forgot that, lol :joker: I can kinda understand that then *hides*

[Liberty4eva]

American. How much debt again?

I didn't say the US has no problems but for right now it looks like the UK has more problems with the rioting and everything. We may soon see similar things in the US but for right now there is relative peace here.

[King Gizzard]

Could get arrested as well, inciting violence?

[Scarlett.]

The woman behind this iconic image revealed

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/10/article-2024684-0D5B629200000578-456_634x451.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/10/article-2024684-0D61938E00000578-494_634x858.jpg

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2024684/Croydon-riots-2011-Monika-Konczyk-woman-leapt-flames-pictured.html

[Liberty4eva]

lol, no worries :p

Comments like liberty4ever's remind me why people arent too keen on the Americans. These riots have come from issues in our society that have existed for a long time, putting this down to banks and the royal family is just...

My point is if these rioters are going to attack anyone it shouldn't be small businesses just barely getting by, it should be the real people that are screwing them.

[Scarlett.]

My point is if these rioters are going to attack anyone it shouldn't be small businesses just barely getting by, it should be the real people that are screwing them.

I know, I remembered your original point after reading that post :p

[bbfan1991]

Sangat TV presenter just tweeted that a Gurdwara in Derby has been burnt down, they are on their way down to Derby from Brum because it's not that far away and will be reporting from there.

He's also appealed for people to stay calm!

[Scarlett.]

Sangat TV presenter just tweeted that a Gurdwara in Derby has been burnt down, they are on their way down to Derby from Brum because it's not that far away and will be reporting from there.

He's also appealed for people to stay calm!

I wonder if this is start of some racist movement, getting in on the current unrest? I hope not

[InOne]

The only racial stuff I've heard is between blacks and asians

[Scarlett.]

Apparently it was a car in a nearby car park :)

[King Gizzard]

The Sikh communit have been great through this, interesting watching Sangat theyre always talking about peace, alot of respect for them

[InOne]

Sikhs are the greatest people you can never meet, got loads of Sikh mates

[GypsyGoth]

I've never met a Sikh.

[MTVN]

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01018/monty_panesar1_1018142c.jpg

:worship:

[Chuck]

Cameron in his speech earlier: "There is a complete lack of irresponsibility"

Don't think he worded that quite right

:joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:

[Chuck]

-googles Sikh-

[arista]

One Lady Girl
has a Stinking Rich Daddy
she was on a Loot
and will soon have a Criminal Record


Ref :ITV1HD Daybreak

[Livia]

Sikhs are the greatest people you can never meet, got loads of Sikh mates

I said earlier I've never met a Sikh I didn't like, and I meant it. They've got such a great philosophy on life, and I think I'm right in saying that Silkhism has more holidays, festivals, parties and celebrations than any other faith. Some people where I work have also been talking this morning about how the Silks fought like lions for this country during WW2. They've done themselves proud in the last few days.

[arista]

"A BBC radio car was set on fire in Salford on Tuesday night
as broadcasters and other media organisations struggled
to keep up with the looting and disorder spreading
across the Midlands, the north-west and the west of England.
The dangers of covering such a fast-moving,
volatile and dangerous story were underlined
once again when the BBC Radio Manchester car
and another vehicle belonging to a reporter
were set on fire in Salford, according to the corporation."



The Bloated BBC need to watch the area they are Stuck In
we have to pay for that Radio Car.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Media/Pix/pictures/2011/8/10/1312976656846/Salford-riots-007.jpg

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/aug/10/bbc-radio-car-torched-salford-riots

[Scarlett.]

I have to say, as much as I dislike him, Cameron has been good this week.

[arista]

I have to say, as much as I dislike him, Cameron has been good this week.


Fair Point.

[michael21]

"A BBC radio car was set on fire in Salford on Tuesday night
as broadcasters and other media organisations struggled
to keep up with the looting and disorder spreading
across the Midlands, the north-west and the west of England.
The dangers of covering such a fast-moving,
volatile and dangerous story were underlined
once again when the BBC Radio Manchester car
and another vehicle belonging to a reporter
were set on fire in Salford, according to the corporation."



The Bloated BBC need to watch the area they are Stuck In
we have to pay for that Radio Car.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Media/Pix/pictures/2011/8/10/1312976656846/Salford-riots-007.jpg

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/aug/10/bbc-radio-car-torched-salford-riots

sign of the time poor Bloated BBC

[michael21]

One Lady Girl
has a Stinking Rich Daddy
she was on a Loot
and will soon have a Criminal Record


Ref :ITV1HD Daybreak

this is good news

[MTVN]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-14482695

:conf2:

[michael21]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-14482695

:conf2:

thats fake

[MTVN]

thats fake

No it's not

[Scarlett.]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-14482695

:conf2:

See full video here, there's a line of officers shown behind them at the end, it's likely they were chased down that street, the chasing officers informed that team, who then cut off the rioters at that junction

i1b74BdPfSQ

[MTVN]

See full video here, there's a line of officers shown behind them at the end, it's likely they were chased down that street, the chasing officers informed that team, who then cut off the rioters at that junction

i1b74BdPfSQ

Still, the guy stops and gets off his bike and then they start laying into him and kicking him when he's on the ground, it doesn't even look like they arrest him or anything, looks like excessive force to me

[Scarlett.]

Still, the guy stops and gets off his bike and then they start laying into him and kicking him when he's on the ground, it doesn't even look like they arrest him or anything, looks like excessive force to me

I'm pretty sure people were moaning about the police not doing anything a few days ago, yet when they do do something, people moan, obviously we don't see them get arrested as the video ends before that.

[MTVN]

I'm pretty sure people were moaning about the police not doing anything a few days ago, yet when they do do something, people moan, obviously we don't see them get arrested as the video ends before that.

Pretty big difference between doing nothing and having 3 or 4 policeman knock a guy to the ground and continually beat him when he's posing no threat. I don't think of this as evidence that the police are actually "doing something" it looks like they just felt like laying into someone to me

[Vicky.]

Pretty big difference between doing nothing and having 3 or 4 policeman knock a guy to the ground and continually beat him when he's posing no threat. I don't think of this as evidence that the police are actually "doing something" it looks like they just felt like laying into someone to me

Pretty stupid after the reason it all 'apparently' sparked off in the first place :rolleyes:

I say apparently...because I dont believe it at all. I think people have just been looking for an excuse to riot.

[arista]

Yes any that think its good to Riot
should get Sharp Arrests.


Bang These Criminals and Kids Down Hard.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/10/article-2024396-0D60EFCC00000578-310_634x468.jpg

Croydon a Iceland
attacked by 19 year olds Criminals.

[Vicky.]

Is there even space to arrest all those rioting though? I very much doubt it :/

[arista]

Is there even space to arrest all those rioting though? I very much doubt it :/


Yes
they will make space
20 are now in Prison.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/10/article-2024620-0D5EF66800000578-562_306x492.jpg

Look at this Criminal Punk

These Criminals are Going Down
We had had Enough.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/11/article-2024620-0D62603C00000578-790_306x754.jpg

Manchester Police the last few days

[Livia]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-14482695

:conf2:

"We don't know when it was taken, we don't know the context of the incident". And yet, they put it up on their website. How unhelpful.

Personally, I have no problem with this clip. It must have been a terribly frustrating couple of days for the cops, being spat at, insulted and abused by a thicket of chavs while having their hands tied by the liberal sociologists that now run the the police. After some of the appalling things I've seen in the last couple of days, one bloke getting a smack (and remember, we can't really see what's going on) seems small-fry in comparison.

We've had more than ten years of the police being cripped by political correctness. The last three days have opened the eyes of the public and the government.

[Livia]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/11/article-2024620-0D62603C00000578-790_306x754.jpg

Manchester Police the last few days

Mmmm... wonder if he gets to take that gear home?

[Sticks]

Nobody else talking about memes :(

[MTVN]

Is there even space to arrest all those rioting though? I very much doubt it :/

Think they're just bailing most of them with a curfew and an electronic tag, they're going the trials pretty quickly, less than 15 minutes for most of them apparently

[Crimson Dynamo]

I love how the details of each convicted crim looter is another nail in the liberal coffin of excuses about "lack of opportunities, no jobs, poor life, no chances etc"

the reason for each crime is a criminal

[arista]

Think they're just bailing most of them with a curfew and an electronic tag, they're going the trials pretty quickly, less than 15 minutes for most of them apparently



No more are now in Prison
6 Months given just to a bloke who went along after the Riot.

Courts worked Over Night.

One Student girl got bail
she handed herself in after saying she stole a LCD TV.
she said she could not sleep at night over what she did.



"Unmask the thugs! Looters will no longer be able
to cover up, says PM as he also promises a crackdown
on social media AND cash for the rioters' victims"

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2024780/UK-riots-2011-David-Cameron-says-looters-longer-able-cover-up.html#ixzz1Ujq4stWw



Our PM is doing a good Job.

[InOne]

I love how the details of each convicted crim looter is another nail in the liberal coffin of excuses about "lack of opportunities, no jobs, poor life, no chances etc"

the reason for each crime is a criminal

Yeah hate the stupid "they've had a hard life" bull****, plenty of people grow up poor and with bad childhood, doesn't make them a mindless idiot. The underclasses spawns much be being born with lower and lower intelligence :bored:

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/11/article-2024907-0D5EFB4E00000578-368_468x333.jpg

Look at These Criminal Punks

"home cinema shop in central Birmingham"

[arista]

There are 3 Specials on TV tonight

ITV1 - Tonight show 7:30PM

SkyNews 8 - 9PM Riot Debate

BBC1 10:35PM Special Question Time.

[Sticks]

I love how the details of each convicted crim looter is another nail in the liberal coffin of excuses about "lack of opportunities, no jobs, poor life, no chances etc"

the reason for each crime is a criminal

But this wide demographic of the perpetrators points to a "mass infection" by a rouge malevolent Meme.

Meme are idea's, styles beliefs and behaviours which spreads from person to person. A rogue malevolent Meme preys on the susceptible, replicating and propagating, like a virus. As it is essentially information, these pathogens are intangible and hard to tackle.

Just going after the individual rioter or looter is equivalent to taking a so called cold cure that just alleviates the symptom without touching the underlying infection, in this case the Malevolent Meme that whispers into the ears of those it infects, "Take what you want and take the war to the rich and symbols of authority, like the police" It is a meme of despair and is totally insidious.

[michael21]

this is from 2 day ago Croydon

http://www.photoarchivenews.com/archives/News_Croydon_Riots_11_wenn3465326onPAN.jpg

[Crimson Dynamo]

But this wide demographic of the perpetrators points to a "mass infection" by a rouge malevolent Meme.

Meme are idea's, styles beliefs and behaviours which spreads from person to person. A rogue malevolent Meme preys on the susceptible, replicating and propagating, like a virus. As it is essentially information, these pathogens are intangible and hard to tackle.

Just going after the individual rioter or looter is equivalent to taking a so called cold cure that just alleviates the symptom without touching the underlying infection, in this case the Malevolent Meme that whispers into the ears of those it infects, "Take what you want and take the war to the rich and symbols of authority, like the police" It is a meme of despair and is totally insidious.

Its not Sim city. Its called thinking you can get away with it and being stupid.

Identify each one, chrge them, publish their sentence for all to see and the next lot think twice about getting away with it.

The underclass is always there - we can deal with it or we can wring our hands. Whilst we wring our hands they are going through our pockets.

[arista]

this is from 2 day ago Croydon

http://www.photoarchivenews.com/archives/News_Croydon_Riots_11_wenn3465326onPAN.jpg


Yes the Polish Lady who is doing fine now
she has a job as well.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/11/article-2024684-0D6374E700000578-451_634x700.jpg

Revealed: Face of woman who leapt from the flames to escape the Croydon inferno

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2024684/Croydon-riots-2011-Monika-Konczyk-woman-leapt-flames-pictured.html#ixzz1UjvJ7sJR

[Sticks]

Its not Sim city. Its called thinking you can get away with it and being stupid.

Identify each one, chrge them, publish their sentence for all to see and the next lot think twice about getting away with it.

The underclass is always there - we can deal with it or we can wring our hands. Whilst we wring our hands they are going through our pockets.

Memes are an established phenomenon first detailed by Professor Richard Dawkins in his book the Selfish Gene

They can affect anyone, not just certain people from a certain social class.

Meme's can be dangerous

[joeysteele]

I said earlier I've never met a Sikh I didn't like, and I meant it. They've got such a great philosophy on life, and I think I'm right in saying that Silkhism has more holidays, festivals, parties and celebrations than any other faith. Some people where I work have also been talking this morning about how the Silks fought like lions for this country during WW2. They've done themselves proud in the last few days.

I have great respect for Sikhs. I agree with your post 10%.

[Marsh.]

I didn't say the US has no problems but for right now it looks like the UK has more problems with the rioting and everything. We may soon see similar things in the US but for right now there is relative peace here.

"May soon" see similar things?

Um, America is renowned for riots and gun crime. They're well known for it. Yes looting is pretty drastic but America has far worse street crime than the UK. Obviously because it's so much bigger and varied but still.

[Sticks]

I have great respect for Sikhs. I agree with your post 10%.

They also have great food as well

[arista]

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2011/Aug/Week2/16047804.jpg

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2011/Aug/Week2/16047809.jpg

Police have to do there Jobs
Use your baton on the Punks

[Crimson Dynamo]

Memes are an established phenomenon first detailed by Professor Richard Dawkins in his book the Selfish Gene

They can affect anyone, not just certain people from a certain social class.

Meme's can be dangerous

Luckily law deals with crime, criminals and justice.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes the Polish Lady who is doing fine now
she has a job as well.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/11/article-2024684-0D6374E700000578-451_634x700.jpg

Revealed: Face of woman who leapt from the flames to escape the Croydon inferno

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2024684/Croydon-riots-2011-Monika-Konczyk-woman-leapt-flames-pictured.html#ixzz1UjvJ7sJR

difficult to get a good look at her corks in that pose.

[Livia]

............... Whilst we wring our hands they are going through our pockets.

That's a bloody good line. I'm nicking it.

[InOne]

She's pretty fit :amazed:

[Kerry]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/11/article-2024620-0D62603C00000578-790_306x754.jpg

Manchester Police the last few days

Riot police have been complaining about their gear. They say it hasn't been updated in over a decade and they can't run after people in it

[arista]

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2011/Aug/Week2/16048519.jpg

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2011/Aug/Week2/16048530.jpg

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2011/Aug/Week2/16048537.jpg

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2011/Aug/Week2/16048548.jpg

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2011/Aug/Week2/16048549.jpg

[Kerry]

Dunno why they've focused so much on her. They've had all kinds joining the riots. A law student left lectures to join in

[michael21]

arista look at my street i can not find any polices any where

http://www.foinews.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/policePA_468x311.jpg

[arista]

Dunno why they've focused so much on her. They've had all kinds joining the riots. A law student left lectures to join in


Because She was a Model Student
with Everything going for her


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/11/article-2024952-0D638D0A00000578-610_468x367.jpg
Sports ambassador: Chelsea Ives at a football promotion event last year
with left, former England and Arsenal footballer Martin Keown,
and far right, former minister for sport Richard Caborn

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2024952/London-riots-2011-Olympic-ambassador-Chelsea-Ives-18-led-Enfield-Vodafone-attack.html#ixzz1UlOD6yQC

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/11/article-2025066-0D649F8700000578-141_634x302.jpg

8 Criminals Off To Prison.

Magistrates dish out tough sentences to 'despicable, contemptible yobbos'

Prison population set to hit record high as thugs are jailed


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2025066/UK-RIOTS-2011-Youre-disgrace-country.html#ixzz1UlPKrRmk

[Kerry]

Yeah and her mum dragged her straight down to the police as soon as she saw her on TV (good on her)

Model student or not, she's an idiot. I'm sure the law student was a model student. I'm sure the call centre worker who left his post to go and join in was a model worker. It could go on all day. Yeah, nice she's been singled out but others should be too. The lot of the scumbags

[Kerry]

There should be a front page of mugshots of every single twat that needs catching

[Marsh.]

Hear hear, Kerry, hear hear

[Scarlett.]

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/54544000/jpg/_54544723_x149-11bowes-1.jpg
A 68-year-old man who was critically injured as he tried he tried to stamp out a fire during riots in west London has died, Scotland Yard has said.

Richard Mannington Bowes suffered head injuries in an attack in Ealing on Monday night and was left in a coma.

Police have launched a murder inquiry and issued a CCTV image of a suspect.

He is the fourth person to have died in the recent disorder - three men died in Birmingham after being hit by a car while protecting property on Tuesday.

Haroon Jahan, 21, Shazad Ali, 30, and Abdul Musavir, 31, were struck as they stood in a crowd on the pavement in Winson Green, Birmingham.

On Thursday, West Midlands Police said two boys, aged 16 and 17, and a man, 26, had been arrested on suspicion of murder.

A 32-year-old man arrested on suspicion of murder on Wednesday has been bailed.
'Terrible price'

Speaking on Thursday when Mr Bowes was in a critical condition, his sister Anne Wilderspin, 73, from Derbyshire, said: "It was sort of unreal because you don't think anything like that happens to a relative of yours.

"I mean we've been horrified by the reports of the riots and what's been going on.

"It was a shock and it's still a bit unreal in a way."

She had been hoping to be reunited with Mr Bowes, whom she had not seen for 30 years.

She said she was travelling to London to see her brother, who gave her away at her wedding. It is not known if she saw him before he died.

Also speaking on Thursday, Mayor of London Boris Johnson paid tribute to him: "There are many villains in this story but also many heroes and I want to pay particular tribute to Mr Bowes.

"But he has paid a terrible price. I am desperately sorry for him and his family."

Mr Bowes, of Haven Green, Ealing, is believed to have remonstrated with some teenagers who were setting fire to two industrial bins on Spring Bridge Road.

Police officers were then pelted with missiles as they came to his aid.

Det Ch Insp John McFarlane said Mr Bowes had been "violently assaulted and knocked to the ground".

He added: "Through CCTV we have identified a strong suspect.

"I know that on seeing these images of him people will be able to identify him.

"He had been in close proximity to the attack, recording the events on a mobile device.

"If you are the suspect in the CCTV, do the decent thing and give yourself up."

BBC News


RIP :(

[arista]

"Police have launched a murder inquiry and issued a CCTV image of a suspect."

Yes the Criminal Thug that killed the 68year
must get life in prison.

[joeysteele]

Really sad to hear this man has died, I think Kerry is right all thee faces of those involved in these 'riots'?? should be on the frontpages and arista is dead right, whoever caused the death of this man should get full life in prison, not the namby pamby current life sentence that gets you out in about 10 to 12 years or so.

[Livia]

I'm sorry too to hear that this man has died. The looters have no shame, I can't understand a mindset where you'd want to beat a stranger to death.

As for the Olympic athlete who was caught... no way in the world should she be allowed to represent this country at the Olympics. She's one of those who've brought the reputation of this country into disrepute around the world. If she is allowed to represent us it will be an outrageous insult.

[arista]

I'm sorry too to hear that this man has died. The looters have no shame, I can't understand a mindset where you'd want to beat a stranger to death.

As for the Olympic athlete who was caught... no way in the world should she be allowed to represent this country at the Olympics. She's one of those who've brought the reputation of this country into disrepute around the world. If she is allowed to represent us it will be an outrageous insult.


He wanted to stop them setting Bins alight
Got Punched hard in the head and hit the deck.
Some Filmed it and Police need to talk to them.


Also this

A star pupil from £1m home. How did she end up in the dock?

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2025068/Revealed-middle-class-rioters-The-aspiring-musician-organic-chef-millionaires-daughter-dock-accused-looting.html#ixzz1UoFXYMSm

[Legend killer]

This is what happens when you get 2 tits like Cameron and Clegg to run the country with their take from the poor and give to the rich ways

GET LABOUR BACK IN

[Livia]

...............A star pupil from £1m home. How did she end up in the dock?

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2025068/Revealed-middle-class-rioters-The-aspiring-musician-organic-chef-millionaires-daughter-dock-accused-looting.html#ixzz1UoFXYMSm

Opportunist scumbags come in all sizes, shapes, colours and from a variety of backgrounds.

[Livia]

This is what happens when you get 2 tits like Cameron and Clegg to run the country with their take from the poor and give to the rich ways

GET LABOUR BACK IN

LOL... surely you're not suggesting that this was political?

I'm surprised to see that you think that this government has had SO much impact in just over a year ? These "freedom fighters" you seem to be making excuses for, waged war on the government by stealing phones, TVs and trainers and setting light to people's businesses. Most of the rioting scum couldn't even tell you who was in government right now.

[Ammi]

This is what happens when you get 2 tits like Cameron and Clegg to run the country with their take from the poor and give to the rich ways

GET LABOUR BACK IN
Hi LK it's great to see you back:xyxwave:
This is nothing to do wth the government - there is no cause, it's just lawbreaking for the sake of it. It's not a rich/poor thing, there is no thought, no organisation, no reasoning. They are theiving locusts - plain and simple - lets not give it justification

[arista]

This is what happens when you get 2 tits like Cameron and Clegg to run the country with their take from the poor and give to the rich ways

GET LABOUR BACK IN


No New Labours Legacy mess is what we are now dealing with,
As Stated Last Night on the special Question Time.


Even Miliband said it was Criminal Gangs of Greed.

[Livia]

No New Labours Legacy mess is what we are now dealing with,
As Stated Last nigh on the special Question Time.

... and talking of last night's question time... what was the story with that ridiculous woman who was dressed up like Widow Twankey, spouting liberal soundbites? She used the phrase "the kids at street level..." in every freakin' sentence, yet said right at the beginning that she lived in Hampstead. I loved when a man in the audience challenged her and said she was coming out with just the kind of liberal bullsh1t that had brough this country to this point, and he got the loudest applause of the evening.

[Crimson Dynamo]

... and talking of last night's question time... what was the story with that ridiculous woman who was dressed up like Widow Twankey, spouting liberal soundbites? She used the phrase "the kids at street level..." in every freakin' sentence, yet said right at the beginning that she lived in Hampstead. I loved when a man in the audience challenged her and said she was coming out with just the kind of liberal bullsh1t that had brough this country to this point, and he got the loudest applause of the evening.

I nearly put my foot through the telly. She had been on Richard Bacon earlier spouting her sh it.

She looked like a fool and talked utter rubbish. I loved when she was going on about working in hackney all the time and DD asked where do you live...after a few attempts to dodge the question she revealed "West Hampstead":hugesmile:


she is what is wrong:nono:

[Legend killer]

Im not excusing what they are doing but i am just saying in general i think we need a Labour goverment because unless you are a mega rich person you get 0 advantages under this goverment

In the meantime Cameron needs to be replaced ASAP the country is in a mess and he has the audacity to return something like 5 days into the rioting **** also maybe if the Twat wasnt so keen on cutting the poilce force we would actually have some poilce on the street SMH

[Livia]

Im not excusing what they are doing but i am just saying in general i think we need a Labour goverment because unless you are a mega rich person you get 0 advantages under this goverment

In the meantime Cameron needs to be replaced ASAP the country is in a mess and he has the audacity to return something like 5 days into the rioting **** also maybe if the Twat wasnt so keen on cutting the poilce force we would actually have some poilce on the street SMH

I think you're listening to other people's views on Conservative policy instead of making up your own mind.

Cameron was voted in by more people than those who voted for someone else, that's why he's in. And if you truly believe that everyone who voted Tory is rich, you're sorely mistaken.

[Livia]

I nearly put my foot through the telly. She had been on Richard Bacon earlier spouting her sh it.

She looked like a fool and talked utter rubbish. I loved when she was going on about working in hackney all the time and DD asked where do you live...after a few attempts to dodge the question she revealed "West Hampstead":hugesmile:

she is what is wrong:nono:


Ahhh... it wasn't just me then.

And the Bishop of York. What the f.... I could hardly understand any of the points he was trying to make. He was like Mr Pointless-Metaphor

[Ammi]

Im not excusing what they are doing but i am just saying in general i think we need a Labour goverment because unless you are a mega rich person you get 0 advantages under this goverment

In the meantime Cameron needs to be replaced ASAP the country is in a mess and he has the audacity to return something like 5 days into the rioting **** also maybe if the Twat wasnt so keen on cutting the poilce force we would actually have some poilce on the street SMH

He's damned whatever he does. He should be flattered people he could do so much damage in such a short space of time, I didn't think he had it in him. If scumbags walked into your house, knocked your family to the ground, took whatever they felt like and burnt the rest to the ground, would you say 'aww poor things, they didn't have much money' or 'it wasn't them really, it was David Cameron.' This will keep on happening if people give it a justification - it was opportunism, an example of a vile, despicable greed and disregard of anyone or anything. You think the Conservatives or David Cameron were on their mind when they were doing this, their only thought was to their own personal gain

[Legend killer]

Livia trust me as a lower class indivduial which i am i have first hand experience of Conservative ****e policy

At the end of the day i dont really want to argue on this subject because heck i dont really know a lot about goverment etc but i can tell you from experience unless you are rich you are getting nothing from this policy

The only plus side on Cam and Co being such twats Labour will defo be in next election hopefully without a twat like Brown leading it this time lool

[Ammi]

Livia trust me as a lower class indivduial which i am i have first hand experience of Conservative ****e policy

At the end of the day i dont really want to argue on this subject because heck i dont really know a lot about goverment etc but i can tell you from experience unless you are rich you are getting nothing from this policy

The only plus side on Cam and Co being such twats Labour will defo be in next election hopefully without a twat like Brown leading it this time lool

I really wished Labour had got in, and that's not something I thought I'd ever say, at least they could have cleared up their own mess and dealt with the consequences

[Livia]

Livia trust me as a lower class indivduial which i am i have first hand experience of Conservative ****e policy

At the end of the day i dont really want to argue on this subject because heck i dont really know a lot about goverment etc but i can tell you from experience unless you are rich you are getting nothing from this policy

The only plus side on Cam and Co being such twats Labour will defo be in next election hopefully without a twat like Brown leading it this time lool

I was born in one of the poorest (Labour) boroughs in the country - Newham. I went to a state school where academic excellence wasn't exactly encouraged or expected. I work for the Conservatives. I think I know a little about both their policy, and what it means to be working class.

[Legend killer]

Tbh Rhino i think when the riots started a lot of it had to do with social diasadvantage etc among the lower classes tension had been building for a while with all the cuts etc being dished out of course as they have gone on it has become more to do with Mob mentality , greed etc etc

[Legend killer]

lol well guys my time has been emotional on this thread i think i better leave before i am Lynched but on a serious note the riots at the moment are disgusting and hopefully will continue to decrease in numbers

As for our view on goverment etc hey thats cool everyone is entitilled to there own views thats why we have freedom of speech

LABOUR FTW

[Ammi]

Tbh Rhino i think when the riots started a lot of it had to do with social diasadvantage etc among the lower classes tension had been building for a while with all the cuts etc being dished out of course as they have gone on it has become more to do with Mob mentality , greed etc etc

This has nothing to do with cuts, whether necessary or not, it has nothing to do with National Debt, it is not a class war or rich v poor. That is just saying to the low life gutter scumbags 'its, ok, we understand'. Don't fall into that mistake of giving this any justification because there is none

[Ammi]

lol well guys my time has been emotional on this thread i think i better leave before i am Lynched but on a serious note the riots at the moment are disgusting and hopefully will continue to decrease in numbers

As for our view on goverment etc hey thats cool everyone is entitilled to there own views thats why we have freedom of speech

LABOUR FTW
It is good to see you back LK:xyxwave:

[Legend killer]

Cheers Rhino speak later peace

[MTVN]

... and talking of last night's question time... what was the story with that ridiculous woman who was dressed up like Widow Twankey, spouting liberal soundbites? She used the phrase "the kids at street level..." in every freakin' sentence, yet said right at the beginning that she lived in Hampstead. I loved when a man in the audience challenged her and said she was coming out with just the kind of liberal bullsh1t that had brough this country to this point, and he got the loudest applause of the evening.

I thought she was the only half-reasonable and rational one on there actually, she also wrote a very good piece in the Independent the other day http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/camila-batmanghelidjh-caring-costs-ndash-but-so-do-riots-2333991.html

I agree about what you said about the Bishop of York though, he just rambled on and on and never really made such sense :p

Also Legend Killer, you can't really blame this on the Tories, the cuts have really yet to be fully implemented, the problems that caused this were already in existance

[Livia]

I thought she was the only half-reasonable and rational one on there actually, she also wrote a very good piece in the Independent the other day http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/camila-batmanghelidjh-caring-costs-ndash-but-so-do-riots-2333991.html

I agree about what you said about the Bishop of York though, he just rambled on and on and never really made such sense :p

Also Legend Killer, you can't really blame this on the Tories, the cuts have really yet to be fully implemented, the problems that caused this were already in existance

LOL... She wrote exactly 124 words before she was compelled to use the term "street level", and she's used it not once, but twice. Typical liberal worrier who has spent her whole life being funded by local authorities and sitting on useless quangos. She wasn't very happy about having to tell people she lives in West Hampstead... which isn't West Ham.

A THAT reminds me... because of the bloody riots they cancelled West Ham v Charlton (or as we know them locally, 'Charleton Nil') which is unforgivable.

[arista]

... and talking of last night's question time... what was the story with that ridiculous woman who was dressed up like Widow Twankey, spouting liberal soundbites? She used the phrase "the kids at street level..." in every freakin' sentence, yet said right at the beginning that she lived in Hampstead. I loved when a man in the audience challenged her and said she was coming out with just the kind of liberal bullsh1t that had brough this country to this point, and he got the loudest applause of the evening.



Yes a strange one.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I thought she was the only half-reasonable and rational one on there actually, she also wrote a very good piece in the Independent the other day http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/camila-batmanghelidjh-caring-costs-ndash-but-so-do-riots-2333991.html

I agree about what you said about the Bishop of York though, he just rambled on and on and never really made such sense :p

Also Legend Killer, you can't really blame this on the Tories, the cuts have really yet to be fully implemented, the problems that caused this were already in existance

That article is a classic case of how easy it is to identify problems in the world

any 2 bit twit can do that


Solutions are hard to find as they always require hard work - she found none in her article.

[MTVN]

LOL... She wrote exactly 124 words before she was compelled to use the term "street level", and she's used it not once, but twice. Typical liberal worrier who has spent her whole life being funded by local authorities and sitting on useless quangos. She wasn't very happy about having to tell people she lives in West Hampstead... which isn't West Ham.

A THAT reminds me... because of the bloody riots they cancelled West Ham v Charlton (or as we know them locally, 'Charleton Nil') which is unforgivable.

Well, I thought it was a good article anyway :p but yes that really was disgraceful to have the West Ham game postponed, think that was the point where a line was crossed

[arista]

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2011/8/12/1313168161621/Greater-Manchester-Police-007.jpg

In Manchester
The Police pushing Shop a Looter

Vans moving with Images of looters


Also

Model, 22, jailed for six months after admitting looting an Argos shop in Croydon

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2025356/Croydon-riots-Model-Shonola-Smith-22-jailed-6-months-looting-Argos.html#ixzz1Upgnq24c
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/12/article-2025356-0D673E1600000578-293_634x423.jpg
Catwalk to prison yard: Shonola Smith was jailed for six months after attempted to loot an Argos store in Croydon

[Marsh.]

No doubt for a pair of hair straighteners, selfish bitch.

[Sticks]

That case makes no sense? If she is a model with the money to buy what she needs why go looting?

The only explanation is that she like many others fell prey to some malevolent Meme that got into them and influenced them to criminality.

Going after the people involved is only treating the symptoms, the infectious pathogen of bad information propagated unchecked, except here in Tyneside by the very wet weather.

[joeysteele]

... and talking of last night's question time... what was the story with that ridiculous woman who was dressed up like Widow Twankey, spouting liberal soundbites? She used the phrase "the kids at street level..." in every freakin' sentence, yet said right at the beginning that she lived in Hampstead. I loved when a man in the audience challenged her and said she was coming out with just the kind of liberal bullsh1t that had brough this country to this point, and he got the loudest applause of the evening.

:joker::joker::joker: Widow Twankey, great comment Livia, I couldn't take her seriously at all last night. Ace comment Livia, :joker:

[arista]

That case makes no sense? If she is a model with the money to buy what she needs why go looting?

The only explanation is that she like many others fell prey to some malevolent Meme that got into them and influenced them to criminality.

Going after the people involved is only treating the symptoms, the infectious pathogen of bad information propagated unchecked, except here in Tyneside by the very wet weather.


Utter Greed.

[Crimson Dynamo]

a model?

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/12/article-2025198-0D67ABC600000578-576_634x452.jpg

"Caught on camera: Police are resorting to high-tech
efforts to track those wanted in connection to the
violence that scarred Birmingham"

[Crimson Dynamo]

I have given one of the looters bad feedback as my 54" Sony has got scuff marks on the edges and he took ages to post it.

That will learn him.

[Sticks]

This article (http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ben-secret/the-london-riots-werent-t_b_923893.html) also mentions to possibility of memes

This is not so much to excuse any perpetrators, but we need to find a way of neutralising any malicious meme that starts to propagate.

[sue123]

There is no excuse for criminal acts; everyone is responsible for the way they act. Human greed has always existed and each individual is responsible for controlling their greed be they bankers politicians or jobless. No excuses.

I am very angry about the banks and the rescission and the effects on my life I can’t even afford a Blackberry! But even if I had one I would not break the law.

[billy123]

This article (http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ben-secret/the-london-riots-werent-t_b_923893.html) also mentions to possibility of memes

This is not so much to excuse any perpetrators, but we need to find a way of neutralising any malicious meme that starts to propagate.
The worry i have now is that there are politicians sat rubbing there hands together at the thought of what legislation they could get away with introducing while public anger at what has just happened is running high.

Talk of intervening in and shutting down avenues of communication between people when the goverment/police see signs of public unrest is very 1984
shutting people up doesnt address anything long or short term.

There is a reason for all this its just that the some of the last people to realise what the reason is are the people that were rioting.

Part of society collapsed with horrific results and people need to sit down and work out whats gone wrong.

how did we end up with such a large section of people that dont care about consequence or have so little sense of respect for themselves or other people around them a complete loss of hope.
I dont have the answers but if we just end up tagging this whole horrible incident as "It was the scum chavs with no respect thats what caused it" and filing it away as dealt with carry on then it will happen again.

Something has failed badly in the way we manage society and it needs to be fixed.
Sticks i like your explanation of a social meme the only way to stop things like that propagating in peoples minds is to make the negative associated with the idea outweigh the benefits which is already a given with 99.9 percent of the population so it can only be education thats failed the minority that thought it acceptable to riot.
Do we need to spot the patterns early on in children that lead to them growing up without a moral compass and act on it there????

I dont know but i do know more legislation and tightening of laws doesnt address the root of the problem and punishes everybody not just the rioters.

[joeysteele]

The worry i have now is that there are politicians sat rubbing there hands together at the thought of what legislation they could get away with introducing while public anger at what has just happened is running high.

Talk of intervening in and shutting down avenues of communication between people when the goverment/police see signs of public unrest is very 1984
shutting people up doesnt address anything long or short term.

There is a reason for all this its just that the some of the last people to realise what the reason is are the people that were rioting.

Part of society collapsed with horrific results and people need to sit down and work out whats gone wrong.

how did we end up with such a large section of people that dont care about consequence or have so little sense of respect for themselves or other people around them a complete loss of hope.
I dont have the answers but if we just end up tagging this whole horrible incident as "It was the scum chavs with no respect thats what caused it" and filing it away as dealt with carry on then it will happen again.

Something has failed badly in the way we manage society and it needs to be fixed.
Sticks i like your explanation of a social meme the only way to stop things like that propagating in peoples minds is to make the negative associated with the idea outweigh the benefits which is already a given with 99.9 percent of the population so it can only be education thats failed the minority that thought it acceptable to riot.
Do we need to spot the patterns early on in children that lead to them growing up without a moral compass and act on it there????

I dont know but i do know more legislation and tightening of laws doesnt address the root of the problem and punishes everybody not just the rioters.

I agree, I would like to see some stronger sentencing guidelines laid down to use against only those convicted of being involved in these riots.
I would also like to see the planned cuts to the Police halted too.

As you say though, some politicians will be rubbing their hands thinking what severe policies they could get away with and bring in now.

I think no legislation should be done in haste, hurried policy is usually very bad and dangerous policy and there is a lot of investigation to be done and massive consultation to be seen to before politicians set out to make things worse by introducing rotten and totally unfair legislation.

[Lee.]

Dear god! Please tell me somebody else has just watched David Starky flush his career down the toilet on Newsnight?!
Cringe...

[Novo]

Dear god! Please tell me somebody else has just watched David Starky flush his career down the toilet on Newsnight?!
Cringe...

What did he say?

[billy123]

Was he the guy saying that were all doomed because of black culture?

[Lee.]

He more or less said the riots were because white people have started adopting black culture

[Lee.]

Was he the guy saying that were all doomed because of black culture?

That's the one!

[billy123]

He more or less said the riots were because white people have started adopting black culture
I thought so i had it on in the background and thought wtf is he hinting at.
I turned it down when he started on black music he really didnt have a clue i felt a bit sorry for him.

[Lee.]

I thought so i had it on in the background and thought wtf is he hinting at.
I turned it down when he started on black music he really didnt have a clue i felt a bit sorry for him.
I didn't... I've always thought he was a silly old goat!

[GypsyGoth]

He more or less said the riots were because white people have started adopting black culture

I watched it, I thought he was very racist.

[Lee.]

I watched it, I thought he was very racist.

I couldn't believe what he wahs saying!

[GypsyGoth]

I couldn't believe what he wahs saying!

Same, he said a black man speaking respectably sounds like a white man if you close your eyes.

[joeysteele]

David Starkey is the most bigoted bore I have ever watched and listened to,far too extreme and prejudiced in his views.How he even gets invited onto TV dumbfounds me.

[Kerry]

The BBC has announced a special episode of Crimewatch focusing on the recent UK riots.

The 30-minute episode, titled Riots Caught on Camera: A Crimewatch Special, will be presented by Crimewatch host and former police officer Rav Wilding.

The programme will appeal for viewers to help identify many rioters and looters that were caught on camera during the violence. Wilding will also visit the areas of the UK that were affected by the riots.

BBC One's Question Time UK riots special was seen by approximately 3.5 million people when it aired last night.

Wilding set up a Twitter account this week in order to help the authorities identify those involved in the UK riots.

Riots Caught on Camera: A Crimewatch Special will air on BBC One on Thursday, August 18 at 8pm.

Try hiding now......

[arista]

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2011/Aug/Week2/16049203.jpg

"The woman was served with an eviction notice by Wandsworth Council on Friday afternoon.
She is believed to be the first council tenant in the country to face losing her home over rioting and looting which blighted the nation this week.
Council leader Ravi Govindia said: "In Wandsworth we are determined to take the strongest possible action against any tenant or member of their household responsible for the truly shocking behaviour perpetrated on local homes and businesses earlier this week."


Power To the Local Council.

http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16049238


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/13/article-2024605-0D6918C000000578-410_634x658.jpg
Daniel Clarke, pictured with his girlfriend
J Starkei, has been served with an eviction
notice after being charged with violent disorder

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2024605/UK-riots-Daniel-Sartain-Clarkes-family-evicted-Wandsworth-Council.html#ixzz1UtK87g5o

[Sticks]

Yet again people treat symptoms but never deal with the underlying infection

[Lee.]

Yet again people treat symptoms but never deal with the underlying infection

This.. exactly!

[Lee.]

Dear god! Please tell me somebody else has just watched David Starky flush his career down the toilet on Newsnight?!
Cringe...

Here it is....

gU5TcTSa9kk

[lostalex]

Yet again people treat symptoms but never deal with the underlying infection

and what is the underlying infection and how would you cure it??? just out of curiosity.

[arista]

and what is the underlying infection and how would you cure it??? just out of curiosity.


same way LA and NYC have

[lostalex]

What he said was no more shocking, than when black people accuse white epople of speaking in "racist code". There is a hideous double standard, and unfortunately the more you entertain the idea of someone being an automatic victim because of their skin colour, nothing will be solved.

It feels good to stroke yur own ego by claiming that there are no differences between people, that we are all the same. We are not all the same. If we were all the same, than we'd all be looting, but everyone is NOT looting, so we are all NOT the same. We are trying to figure out WHY some people are different and what makes them different from the peaceful non-violent non-looting populus.

What makes the looters different from everyone else? That is all Mr. Starky is trying to figure out.

[Lee.]

No, we are not all the same, but those looters did have one thing in common and it was not the colour of their skin: they are all good for nothing little bastards who have no respect for their communities, authority or their fellow human beings.

(good morning BTW Alex) :)

[lostalex]

No, we are not all the same, but those looters did have one thing in common and it was not the colour of their skin: they are all good for nothing little bastards who have no respect for their communities, authority or their fellow human beings.

(good morning BTW Alex) :)

So where does that come from? What defines these people? Where did they get this culture, or mentality, or whatever you want to call it from?? How do we define what made them like this, and how do we destroy it? If we can't define it, then we can't destroy it. You have to discover the disease and give it a name before you can cure it. And you should never blame the patient for having the disease.

It's like blaming someone for having lung cancer. yes, smoking causes lung cancer, but stopping smoking doesn't cure lung cancer. You still have to try to cure the cancer, just stopping smoking won't make it go away.

(and hey happyland, hope you had a good week, staying safe and having a good summer i hope!)

[Lee.]

I personally think it comes from our country going soft on discipline.. police, teachers and parents are no longer respected plus we treat our criminals with kid gloves so there is no deterrent any more.

...and yeah my weeks been good. Hope you are well too?