Riots in Tottenham & Other Parts of London & UK

[arista]

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[ILoveTRW]

are you sure this isnt iraq

[arista]

are you sure this isnt iraq


Its Youngsters in London,

[michael21]

are you sure this isnt iraq

do you mean fraggle rock

[michael21]

its live on bbc news channel as well spurs won today so it cant be that

[\PJ/]

woah those are strong images :O wonder what it's all about?

[arista]

http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16045049

Victim: Mark Duggan, shot by police in Ferry Lane, Tottenham
The 29-year-old father-of-four died at the scene on Thursday.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2023254/Tottenham-riots-Double-decker-bus-set-ablaze-mob-violence-hits-London.html#ixzz1UI8xKIDm

[arista]

Kids on Holiday

Shops attacked

[michael21]

Kids on Holiday

Shops attacked

:nono: its not the kids that have done this

[Zippy]

I hate live news broadcasts like this. Just a load of boring waffle. Rather just watch HL version.

[michael21]

its all over now i think

[joeysteele]

It certainly kicked off there, what a mess. The thing is that once any violence occurs or damage is done to property any genuine grievance fades into the background and it's the negative side of demonstration that is remembered and highlighted.

[michael21]

woo wooo woo here come the riot police :dance:

[Boothy]

Jesus. What was all this about?

[arista]

Jesus. What was all this about?

They Demanded to know from police
why
a 28 year man was killed on thursday


"Two police cars have been set on fire in north London following a protest over the fatal shooting of a young father by police. "

Also a
Double Decker Bus Burnt Up

[Scarlett.]

Strange how the instant reaction to any wrong doing is to smash up innocent people's property...you think they'd focus on the police

[MTVN]

Strange how the instant reaction to any wrong doing is to smash up innocent people's property...you think they'd focus on the police

But this is the problem, they can't feel like they can place any trust in the courts to provide justice in cases like these, they're essentially being blocked from actually being able to take the copper to court which has basically just forced them to lash out I guess

[arista]

Strange how the instant reaction to any wrong doing is to smash up innocent people's property...you think they'd focus on the police



Today they have found out they
were not local youths.


So that Death of the 28 year old
was a Spring board
for outsiders to come in a Burn it up
and Loot.


Even Labour Lamy Local MP says there is no excuse for this.

[Rob]

Spurs have cancelled all their tours and events for today and tomorrow due to safety concerns in the area.

[arista]

Riot blaze: North London in flames as police cars, bus and shops burn over police shooting of 'gangster'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2023254/Tottenham-riots-Double-decker-bus-set-ablaze-mob-violence-hits-London.html#ixzz1UL2UMuCC

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Comet Looted
Screens & Computers tore out

[arista]

Spurs have cancelled all their tours and events for today and tomorrow due to safety concerns in the area.

Thats Fair Enough.

[Pyramid*]

Jesus Holy Hell.

:shocked:

I can't believe the scenes - how utterly shameful to be part of the same nation as these thugs and lowlife.

Modern day Britain. What an absolute disgrace.

My heart goes out to every one who has been affected by these scumbags.

[Scarlett.]

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Before and after

[arista]

Jesus Holy Hell.

:shocked:

I can't believe the scenes - how utterly shameful to be part of the same nation as these thugs and lowlife.

Modern day Britain. What an absolute disgrace.

My heart goes out to every one who has been affected by these scumbags.


All the free Laptops they Looted
The Outside Gangs and Some locals are
all involved.

Lucky No Tesco was at that Corner,

[Pyramid*]

All the free Laptops they Looted
The Outside Gangs and Some locals are
all involved.

Lucky No Tesco was at that Corner,

not entirely sure this type of story is the best for cracking jokes.... just saying Arista.

We are meant to live in a civilised country. This is an absolute disgrace and it shows the mentality of quite a section of people these days. I'm disgusted and appalled at it and them to be perfectly honest.

[arista]

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A Spoof Image made yersterday
by a London poster

[arista]

not entirely sure this type of story is the best for cracking jokes.... just saying Arista.

We are meant to live in a civilised country. This is an absolute disgrace and it shows the mentality of quite a section of people these days. I'm disgusted and appalled at it and them to be perfectly honest.


I was not joking


If a Tesco was there
this Gang would have Burnt it up fast
after looting.

[Pyramid*]

I was not joking


If a Tesco was there
this Gang would have Burnt it up fast
after looting.

Refers you to your post before this one.

I'm pretty sure the people and residents won't be finding any of it amusing. Some very sick people out there these days.

[arista]

Refers you to your post before this one.

I'm pretty sure the people and residents won't be finding any of it amusing. Some very sick people out there these days.





Yes the Outside Gang looted and Burnt
they knew once two Police Cars were burning
they would get control of other shops.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its one of the many horrible parts of london. no surprise.

[billy123]

Disorder on the streets public unrest a lack of leadership everybody questioning if anybody is listening! oh hi tory goverment i hope your holiday is fun!
cameron and clegg are away sunning themselves at taxpayers expense (or more likely hiding) while the country unravels.
its just like the 80,s tory twats.
Anybody that was too young to know or too stupid to remember and voted these ***** in this is what a tory goverment entails deja vu they havent changed.

[joeysteele]

Its one of the many horrible parts of london. no surprise.

I have to admit, it's not a part of London I like.

[Livia]

Disorder on the streets public unrest a lack of leadership everybody questioning if anybody is listening! oh hi tory goverment i hope your holiday is fun!
cameron and clegg are away sunning themselves at taxpayers expense (or more likely hiding) while the country unravels.
its just like the 80,s tory twats.
Anybody that was too young to know or too stupid to remember and voted these ***** in this is what a tory goverment entails deja vu they havent changed.

A thug waves a gun at police and is shot. Consequently, the dead-heads he associated with instigate a riot.

What has that got to do with the Tories? Mind you, it's pretty flattering that anyone would think they'd made that much impact in just fourteen months of being in power. I think they've been more tied up with trying to unravel the financial mess that a decade of Labour always leaves.

Incidentally, MPs holidays are not paid for from the public purse. Labour politicians go on holiday too... only Tony Blair never paid for his, of course.

[Pyramid*]

A thug waves a gun at police and is shot. Consequently, the dead-heads he associated with instigate a riot.

What has that got to do with the Tories? Mind you, it's pretty flattering that anyone would think they'd made that much impact in just fourteen months of being in power. I think they've been more tied up with trying to unravel the financial mess that a decade of Labour always leaves.

Incidentally, MPs holidays are not paid for from the public purse. Labour politicians go on holiday too... only Tony Blair never paid for his, of course.


I have to agree 100% with your comments in bold, in particular your very first sentence.

[MTVN]

A thug waves a gun at police and is shot. Consequently, the dead-heads he associated with instigate a riot.

What has that got to do with the Tories? Mind you, it's pretty flattering that anyone would think they'd made that much impact in just fourteen months of being in power. I think they've been more tied up with trying to unravel the financial mess that a decade of Labour always leaves.

Incidentally, MPs holidays are not paid for from the public purse. Labour politicians go on holiday too... only Tony Blair never paid for his, of course.

That's a little unfair, now that the guy's dead at the hands of the police it's convenient to demonize him and label him a "gangster", a "thug" etc. but that's just an attempt to justify it.

All we know at this moment is that shots were fired and a father of four has ended up being shot twice in the face so badly that his mother couldn't even recognise him apparently. Sure he shouldn't have a gun in the first place but his cousin had recently been stabbed and he was becoming paranoid, one of the local residents even said of him that "he wasn't a troublemaker" and that "he's never had trouble with the police before".

I think we should wait until we know the full details of what has happened before we judge the guy and declare him guilty until proven innocent. Given the police's recent history with shootings and deaths - Jean Charles de Mendez, Ian Tomlinson etc. - I'd say there's good reason to be suspicious

[Pyramid*]

That's a little unfair, now that the guy's dead at the hands of the police it's convenient to demonize him and label him a "gangster", a "thug" etc. but that's just an attempt to justify it.

All we know at this moment is that shots were fired and a father of four has ended up being shot twice in the face so badly that his mother couldn't even recognise him apparently. Sure he shouldn't have a gun in the first place but his cousin had recently been stabbed and he was becoming paranoid, one of the local residents even said of him that "he wasn't a troublemaker" and that "he's never had trouble with the police before".

I think we should wait until we know the full details of what has happened before we judge the guy and declare him guilty until proven innocent. Given the police's recent history with shootings and deaths - Jean Charles de Mendez, Ian Tomlinson etc. - I'd say there's good reason to be suspicious

Precisely. Run about with a loaded gun, point it at someone else carrying a loaded gun and the chances are you might end up dead. That's what happened.

If he was a big enough man to run around with a loaded gun:- he paid the price. Sorry, no sympathy here from me: for him or the thugs and scum bags who rioted in protest and those who caused the mayhem that followed.

I understand what you are saying, I just happen to not share the same view.

[Zippy]

I think we should wait until we know the full details of what has happened before we judge the guy and declare him guilty until proven innocent. Given the police's recent history with shootings and deaths - Jean Charles de Mendez, Ian Tomlinson etc. - I'd say there's good reason to be suspicious

well he is guilty. Carrying a gun and avoiding arrest are crimes. You wave a gun around at police and this is exactly what can happen.

And each case is different you can't lump them all together. Sometimes police have to make split second decisions in highly charged situations.

[MTVN]

well he is guilty. Carrying a gun and avoiding arrest are crimes. You wave a gun around at police and this is exactly what can happen.

And each case is different you can't lump them all together. Sometimes police have to make split second decisions in highly charged situations.

Clearly that's now what I was talking about, I meant judging him as guilty of being a "gangster" or a "thug", a guy who was somehow clearly deserving of being shot dead.

And sure, I didn't say they were different, I was just pointing out that it might be best to wait before we know more details before we decide the police are innocent of any wrongdoing here

[Patrick]

woo wooo woo here come the riot police :dance:

See them about twice a week in Belfast.

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[Crimson Dynamo]

SNIP/

I think we should wait until we know the full details of what has happened before we judge the guy and declare him guilty until proven innocent. Given the police's recent history with shootings and deaths - Jean Charles de Mendez, Ian Tomlinson etc. - I'd say there's good reason to be suspicious

Do you realise how many people are arrested in the UK every day and how many that would be since the Mendez botch? YOu make it sound like there have been like 2 arrests - there are over a million a year for crying out loud.

[Mystic Mock]

I cant believe the protesters are being allowed to do this much damage,if it was BNP supporters the police would be in there within a matter of seconds.

[arista]

Clearly that's now what I was talking about, I meant judging him as guilty of being a "gangster" or a "thug", a guy who was somehow clearly deserving of being shot dead.

And sure, I didn't say they were different, I was just pointing out that it might be best to wait before we know more details before we decide the police are innocent of any wrongdoing here




Anyone that Pulls a Gun out
must be killed
That is Common sense.

You do not have to pull out a Gun.
You Roll Your Dice.

[Pyramid*]

Clearly that's now what I was talking about, I meant judging him as guilty of being a "gangster" or a "thug", a guy who was somehow clearly deserving of being shot dead.

And sure, I didn't say they were different, I was just pointing out that it might be best to wait before we know more details before we decide the police are innocent of any wrongdoing here

How many normal, everyday, law abiding citizens do you know that go around with a loaded gun?

Does it not strike you as it being less that all innocence for someone to possess such a firearm, far less resist arrest with it in his possession? He was not shot for possession - he was shot because his actions showed he intended to use it. He took a gamble - he lost.

[Zippy]

Clearly that's now what I was talking about, I meant judging him as guilty of being a "gangster" or a "thug", a guy who was somehow clearly deserving of being shot dead.



well there's a bigger picture, sure.

But just in the context of the incident itself he was guilty of a serious crime and was an immediate danger. Even if he turns out to be a Mother theresa figure this doesn't change the facts of that night. Wave a gun at police and you may well get shot.

[MTVN]

Do you realise how many people are arrested in the UK every day and how many that would be since the Mendez botch? YOu make it sound like there have been like 2 arrests - there are over a million a year for crying out loud.

Huh? I'm just talking about events where police have ended up killing someone, in light of which and there being no other evidence I think people have a right to consider it a bit questionable

How many normal, everyday, law abiding citizens do you know that go around with a loaded gun?

Does it not strike you as it being less that all innocence for someone to possess such a firearm, far less resist arrest with it in his possession? He was not shot for possession - he was shot because his actions showed he intended to use it. He took a gamble - he lost.

Well like I said in my earlier post his cousin had been stabbed recently and of the 4 arrested for it 3 have been bailed and the 4th released, apparently he became increasingly paranoid. Perhaps not in this country but I think you'll find a lot of law abiding citizens own guns.

Again, we don't know the details of the shooting, we don't know anything about the guy so stop pretending like you do

[Pyramid*]

Huh? I'm just talking about events where police have ended up killing someone, in light of which and there being no other evidence I think people have a right to consider it a bit questionable



Well like I said in my earlier post his cousin had been stabbed recently and of the 4 arrested for it 3 have been bailed and the 4th released, apparently he became increasingly paranoid. Perhaps not in this country but I think you'll find a lot of law abiding citizens own guns.

Again, we don't know the details of the shooting, we don't know anything about the guy so stop pretending like you do


It is not normal for UK citizens to run about with loaded guns.

I don't need to pretend to make my mind up about any citizen, who refuses arrest, who owns and weilds a loaded gun at the police, with intent. He sure as hell wasn't carrying it around with him to impress the ladies with what was in his pocket.

I'm quite happy to see scum like this off our streets. You play with guns, expect to be shot.

[arista]

Yes a Gun pointed
is a Death Wish.

[MTVN]

Initial ballistics tests on the bullet that lodged in a police officer's radio when Mark Duggan died on Thursday night show it was a police issue bullet, the Guardian understands.

The Guardian's crime correspondent, Sandra Laville, reports:


The revelation will fuel the fury in Tottenham about the killing of Mark Duggan by armed officers.

It also undermines suggestions that there was an exchange of fire between Duggan and the police before he died.

The bullet which was found lodged in the radio of one of the officers at the scene is still undergoing forensic tests. But reliable sources have said the first ballistics examinations suggested it was a police issue bullet.

These are very distinct as the Metropolitan Police uses dum dum type hollowed out bullets designed not to pass through an object.

The early suggestion from the IPCC was that the Met officers had returned fire after someone in the minicab opened fire. But the result of the ballistics early test suggests both shots fired came from the police.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/blog/2011/aug/07/tottenham-riots-police-duggan-live

Hate to say I told you so but...

[Mystic Mock]

Initial ballistics tests on the bullet that lodged in a police officer's radio when Mark Duggan died on Thursday night show it was a police issue bullet, the Guardian understands.

The Guardian's crime correspondent, Sandra Laville, reports:


The revelation will fuel the fury in Tottenham about the killing of Mark Duggan by armed officers.

It also undermines suggestions that there was an exchange of fire between Duggan and the police before he died.

The bullet which was found lodged in the radio of one of the officers at the scene is still undergoing forensic tests. But reliable sources have said the first ballistics examinations suggested it was a police issue bullet.

These are very distinct as the Metropolitan Police uses dum dum type hollowed out bullets designed not to pass through an object.

The early suggestion from the IPCC was that the Met officers had returned fire after someone in the minicab opened fire. But the result of the ballistics early test suggests both shots fired came from the police.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/blog/2011/aug/07/tottenham-riots-police-duggan-live

Hate to say I told you so but...

It still doesnt change that the protesters are wrong for destroying peoples buisnesses,or throwing bricks at peoples windows.

As ive already said if it was the BNP supporters causing all this damage,the police would have came within a matter of Minutes at most.

[MTVN]

It still doesnt change that the protesters are wrong for destroying peoples buisnesses,or throwing bricks at peoples windows.

As ive already said if it was the BNP supporters causing all this damage,the police would have came within a matter of Minutes at most.

Well that's dumb, the police were right on the scene, there were dozens of them out in riot gear, what motivation would they have exactly for allowing these riots to happen and not a BNP riot?

[Pyramid*]

Initial ballistics tests on the bullet that lodged in a police officer's radio when Mark Duggan died on Thursday night show it was a police issue bullet, the Guardian understands.

The Guardian's crime correspondent, Sandra Laville, reports:


The revelation will fuel the fury in Tottenham about the killing of Mark Duggan by armed officers.

It also undermines suggestions that there was an exchange of fire between Duggan and the police before he died.

The bullet which was found lodged in the radio of one of the officers at the scene is still undergoing forensic tests. But reliable sources have said the first ballistics examinations suggested it was a police issue bullet.

These are very distinct as the Metropolitan Police uses dum dum type hollowed out bullets designed not to pass through an object.

The early suggestion from the IPCC was that the Met officers had returned fire after someone in the minicab opened fire. But the result of the ballistics early test suggests both shots fired came from the police.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/blog/2011/aug/07/tottenham-riots-police-duggan-live

Hate to say I told you so but...


Hate to say it, but ....... it makes no difference. Man goes about with loaded gun and intimating he will use it: man should expect to be shot at.

The bullet is still undergoing forensic testing. Suggestion is not yet fact. ;)

[MTVN]

Hate to say it, but ....... it makes no difference. Man goes about with loaded gun and intimating he will use it: man should expect to be shot at.

The bullet is still undergoing forensic testing. Suggestion is not yet fact. ;)

Jesus, so you think anyone who carries a gun deserves to be murdered by the police?

It makes all the difference in the world, it's the difference between self-defence by the police and murder by the police, and it also shows why you shouldn't leap to conclusions in cases like these

[Pyramid*]

Jesus, so you think anyone who carries a gun deserves to be murdered by the police?

It makes all the difference in the world, it's the difference between self-defence by the police and murder by the police, and it also shows why you shouldn't leap to conclusions in cases like these

When they are brandishing around a loaded gun - yes. Self Defence: ahhhh... so that only works one way does it... the police aren't allowed to defend themselves but criminals with loaded guns are.

It's that simple, so Jesus away all you like. That's what I strongly believe.

[MTVN]

When they are brandishing around a loaded gun - yes. Self Defence: ahhhh... so that only works one way does it... the police aren't allowed to defend themselves but criminals with loaded guns are.

It's that simple, so Jesus away all you like. That's what I strongly believe.

So you're saying the police are above the law? Because if that wasn't a copper who shot a man at point blanc twice in the face you can be damn sure they'd be locked up for a long time, irrespective of whether the victim himself had a gun on him or not. And how do you know he was "brandishing" it around exactly?

Heck, there's even reports now that he was on the floor when he was shot, not good for the police is that is true

[Ninastar]

why are they actually rioting?

[MTVN]

why are they actually rioting?

It started in protest against the police after they shot and killed a local guy the other day, guess it kind of got out of hand

[brat673]

Isn't it about time that the police used water canon against petrol bombs etc. Surely this would cool someones ardour! Maybe there would be less damage and injuries caused to the police and property. Perhaps paint guns with an indelible dye? Or perhaps the home secretary ought to be there to wave a white flag?? Get real and get the job done!!

[Pyramid*]

So you're saying the police are above the law? Because if that wasn't a copper who shot a man at point blanc twice in the face you can be damn sure they'd be locked up for a long time, irrespective of whether the victim himself had a gun on him or not. And how do you know he was "brandishing" it around exactly?

Heck, there's even reports now that he was on the floor when he was shot, not good for the police is that is true

FGS stop with the dramatics - it's incredibly droll.

The guy was a criminal. the guy resisted arrest. The guy was carrying a loaded gun. Why should the police bow down? The are not above the law - they ARE THE LAW and are there to enforce the laws of this land.

If some useless good for nothing criminal wants to think he's some tough nut running around with a loaded gun, he gets what's coming to him. End of. In every sense of the word.

[Pyramid*]

It started in protest against the police after they shot and killed a local guy the other day, guess it kind of got out of hand


I love the way you portray it as 'the police killing a local guy' - like he was some kindly gent, a pillar of the community, with nothing but good and kindness to offer the world.

[MTVN]

FGS stop with the dramatics - it's incredibly droll.

The guy was a criminal. the guy resisted arrest. The guy was carrying a loaded gun. Why should the police bow down? The are not above the law - they ARE THE LAW and are there to enforce the laws of this land.

If some useless good for nothing criminal wants to think he's some tough nut running around with a loaded gun, he gets what's coming to him. End of. In every sense of the word.

Me with dramatics, that's ironic :joker: Who said they should "bow down"? I didn't and I don't expect them to, however it would be nice if those who enforce the law don't go around shooting people in the head, don't think that's much to ask. Nice to know you have such regard for human life though, and consider death a perfectly appropriate punishment for possession of a firearm

[MTVN]

I love the way you portray it as 'the police killing a local guy' - like he was some kindly gent, a pillar of the community, with nothing but good and kindness to offer the world.

I think my statement was pretty neutral actually, just giving the facts; he was killed and he was a local guy, I said no more than that

[Pyramid*]

Me with dramatics, that's ironic :joker: Who said they should "bow down"? I didn't and I don't expect them to, however it would be nice if those who enforce the law don't go around shooting people in the head, don't think that's much to ask. Nice to know you have such regard for human life though, and consider death a perfectly appropriate punishment for possession of a firearm

You made the statement/ offered the question: did I think the police were above the law: clearly dramatics imo.

Personally, I back the police in dealing with gun totting criminals. Call me old fashioned, but there it is. Nothing you say will persuade me to consider anything else.

[Lee.]

Looks like its kicking off again in Enfield.

[Pyramid*]

I think my statement was pretty neutral actually, just giving the facts; he was killed and he was a local guy, I said no more than that

No, it was selective. You missed out some pretty salient facts, the police didn't simply look at some poor local chap and decide to take him out.

[Pyramid*]

Looks like its kicking off again in Enfield.

No.... surely to god not. Geezus hell.

[Zippy]

You're being a bit disengenuous MTVN.

He wasnt shot for possession he was shot in the act of fleeing arrest. A very pent up scenario no doubt. Regardless of the man firing a shot if they saw him holding it in his hand ready to use that could be enough reason to open fire. Or do you think they have to wait for him to shoot one of them first?

[MTVN]

You're being a bit disengenuous MTVN.

He wasnt shot for possession he was shot in the act of fleeing arrest. A very pent up scenario no doubt. Regardless of the man firing a shot if they saw him holding it in his hand ready to use that could be enough reason to open fire. Or do you think they have to wait for him to shoot one of them first?

I'm not intentionally being but I don't think it's fact that he was fleeing arrest, the latest developments (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/07/police-attack-london-burns?CMP=twt_gu) are saying that "the handgun recovered was found in a sock and therefore not ready for use"

So now it turns out that there was no firefight and the gun looks like it wasn't even ready for use? It's getting harder and harder to see how this ended up with a guy dead shot twice in the head

[tmi]

It was awful yesterday about the riots, the thing that really stuck in mind is the youngests in the background trying to get their mugs shots on tv and shouting abusives. People where struggling to comprehend what happened and to these youngest it seemed yet another day. The bbc coverage was rubbish, leading the
people in their questions rather than asking just to get the answers they wanted, I think the public have a right to know why he was shot. There is a way of doing, police must have had a reason to open fire, the reason yet unknown, you have to toss the coin on this discussion and think of the
police's family they wave they partners etc off to work everyday and dont know if they will come back alive. If the police wasnt there to enforce the law what would this country be like.

[Zippy]

I don't believe any police officer would shoot somebody in the head without good reason at the time. They may misread signals or mistake what they see but I think they shoot for a reason.

These are professionals with a career to think of. Even for an officer shooting somebody is a big deal that they will be held accountable for. Plus they have to live with that death.

And its not like we hear about this all the time. They are relatively rare.

I agree we dont know enough about the exact situation here but that doesnt give either sides a right to jump to assumptions. If those officers felt any imminent danger then they had a right to shoot. Thats what theyre trained to do.

[MTVN]

I don't believe any police officer would shoot somebody in the head without good reason at the time. They may misread signals or mistake what they see but I think they shoot for a reason.

These are professionals with a career to think of. Even for an officer shooting somebody is a big deal that they will be held accountable for. Plus they have to live with that death.

And its not like we hear about this all the time. They are relatively rare.

I agree we dont know enough about the exact situation here but that doesnt give either sides a right to jump to assumptions. If those officers felt any imminent danger then they had a right to shoot. Thats what theyre trained to do.

That's true I guess but this seems to be getting more questionable the more we find out, there should be some kind of an inquiry and the public (and especially the victims family) should know what happened

[Pyramid*]

I don't believe any police officer would shoot somebody in the head without good reason at the time. They may misread signals or mistake what they see but I think they shoot for a reason.

These are professionals with a career to think of. Even for an officer shooting somebody is a big deal that they will be held accountable for. Plus they have to live with that death.

And its not like we hear about this all the time. They are relatively rare.

I agree we dont know enough about the exact situation here but that doesnt give either sides a right to jump to assumptions. If those officers felt any imminent danger then they had a right to shoot. Thats what theyre trained to do.

Pretty much sums up my own view on the whole matter too.

[tmi]

On twitter a person just showed the looted stuff from last nite.

[billy123]

Is anybody in london?
According to twitter its started kicking off in Edmonton Green,Waltham,Westfield and people starting to gather in Oxford Circus

[arista]

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2011/Aug/Week1/16045446.jpg

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2011/Aug/Week1/16045450.jpg



:nono: its not the kids that have done this
http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2011/Aug/Week1/16045447.jpg

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2011/Aug/Week1/16045451.jpg



Sadly kids aged 7
were at the 1st Riots.

[arista]

Is anybody in london?
According to twitter its started kicking off in Edmonton Green,Waltham,Westfield and people starting to gather in Oxford Circus


Yes there was trouble in some shops in Enfield
Twitter is used to get the Looters
and anyone there (ncluding kids).

[billy123]

Yes there was trouble in some shops in Enfield
Twitter is used to get the Looters
and anyone there (ncluding kids).
There was some sort of media blackout last night because what was being reported on sky news and bbc news24 in no way reflected what was being reported as going on in brixton,edmonton,enfield,waltham and a few other places via twitter.

(I suppose it makes some sense as it would be like advertising a 100% off sale)

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/07/article-2023254-0D54D1BA00000578-992_964x600.jpg


Very young kids right in the middle of the 1st Riots.

[arista]

There was some sort of media blackout last night because what was being reported on sky news and bbc news24 in no way reflected what was being reported as going on in brixton,edmonton,enfield,waltham and a few other places via twitter.

(I suppose it makes some sense as it would be like advertising a 100% off sale)


Yes they only gave rough reports.

LBC Radio , though was up to date.

[billy123]

Paul lewis a guardian reporter was great last night he was on foot in london trying to keep pace with where the trouble was a lot of the troublemakers were using there own cars and black cabs to get about the police were pretty much clueless they were just chasing shadows all night.
http://twitter.com/#!/PaulLewis
One of his last tweets this morning was "Something tells me we'll all be back here tomorrow"

I think the powers that be are terrified of this spreading outside of london.

[arista]

Paul lewis a guardian reporter was great last night he was on foot in london trying to keep pace with where the trouble was a lot of the troublemakers were using there own cars and black cabs to get about the police were pretty much clueless they were just chasing shadows all night.
http://twitter.com/#!/PaulLewis
One of his last tweets this morning was "Something tells me we'll all be back here tomorrow"

I think the powers that be are terrified of this spreading outside of london.


Yes its Smash a Shop Window Week


School Holiday Time.

[joeysteele]

This is total chaos almost now, I agree to a point with MTVN, there seems again a lot of answers to be got from the Police, having said that they have a really hard job to do.

That area is quite volatile but it's the damage and looting that annoys me a great deal, this is their community likely and they just go crazy. How do you deal with that.
Indeed answers are needed as to why someone with a gun, but not ready for use gets shot not once but twice, there are some gun happy Police as well.

The Police have a few problems of late with all sorts of questions as to how they conduct themselves but this does seem likely to escalate.
I don't believe violence solves anything, these protesters and demonstrators are doing themselves no good at all.
However,the Police do need to answer that question that MTVN pointed out, the gun was not ready to use, why 2 shots seemingly to the head and what happened to the use of tazers,why weren't they an option.

I fear though that things are going to get a great deal worse as to public and Police,there is less and less rapport and trust between them and these incidents are likely the tip of the iceberg as to the future.

[Crimson Dynamo]

This has nothing to do with police and everything to do with criminality, fecklessness and bad parenting - i would also throw into the mix the failure of multiculturalism

[karezza]

Looters should be shot on sight.

[Crimson Dynamo]

;) As expected thank you and enjoy your fail.
No more needs to be said.

Unless you can back up your claims with examples then you will just be seen as a typical hysterical poster who gets in a huff if their pov is questioned..

[joeysteele]

I actually haven't seen many faces in the pictures since most have their hoods up and faces diverted away anyway.
I would never generalise as to who or what are doing this but I do know that (even if he/she had a gun, not ready for use), if one of my family or friends had been shot twice in the head by the ' Police' I would certainly want answers to that.
Seems a rather extreme and too rapid reaction from them on that incident.

[Livia]

This has nothing to do with police and everything to do with criminality, fecklessness and bad parenting - i would also throw into the mix the failure of multiculturalism

I have to agree with you LT. I've seen quite a bit of footage now, and of those who did not have their faces covered like the heroes they are, I saw only one white face. It's not racist to state what you see, and that's what I saw.

Makes me laugh when people try to make this into some kind of stand against "The Man". But it dilutes their freedom-fighting message when you see them all stumbling out of JD Sport and PC World loaded with boxes they've just looted.

I would say that the police do a bloody horrible job, and thank God they do, or we'd all be prisoners in our own homes while the dregs of society - like those involved in the trouble at the weekend - rampaged, robbed and looted.

A report I read stated that a "non-police firearm was recovered from the scene". Unlikely they'd have shot this "family man" for no reason considering the **** and hoops they have to go through every time a copper fires his gun, especially following the shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes. Gun crime is out of control in this country, only a fool would say otherwise. Guns are illegal even for sportsmen, so I have no problem with the police shooting anyone caught in possession of a firearm.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Even if there was a case to argue against the police since when did rioting become the process in which to complain and affect change?

This is all to do with criminality and NOTHING to do with policing.

[joeysteele]

Even if there was a case to argue against the police since when did rioting become the process in which to complain and affect change?

This is all to do with criminality and NOTHING to do with policing.

Obviously I cannot disagree with that statement in the main, I don't think Marches,demonstrations ,even very peaceful ones achieve much at all really.

Criminality however is a wide area, if someone has a gun, yes they are armed but if there is no intent seen as going to use it,then that is what it is, he is armed, shouldn't be, but is carrying a gun, not actually using it though.
It was said he was running away,clearly no intent to use the gun then, so why the fatal gunshots to the head.
You mention criminality, well equally as with citizens the Police are 'not' above the law.

I would not be a Policeman for anything, they are hampered greatly in many situations and do overall a fantastic job, but that doesn't mean people can be shot dead by them unless there is absolutely no other way.

Look at the Raoul Moat case a while back, he was armed, he had killed someone, injured someone else, shot at and blinded a Policeman and yet he was the one who ended up shooting and killing himself.
The Police,before he did that, even in that extreme instance only used tazer guns.although obviously they were also armed too.

[Scarlett.]

Me with dramatics, that's ironic :joker: Who said they should "bow down"? I didn't and I don't expect them to, however it would be nice if those who enforce the law don't go around shooting people in the head, don't think that's much to ask. Nice to know you have such regard for human life though, and consider death a perfectly appropriate punishment for possession of a firearm

It is thought the officer, who was taken to hospital and later discharged, was shot first but this is not known for certain, an IPCC spokesman said.
BBC News (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14412752)

[arista]

Looters should be shot on sight.

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2011/Aug/Week1/16045447.jpg

No not 7 years olds.


Arrest there Parents though and Fine them £1,000

[King Gizzard]

My brothers work in wood green

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/254687_10150274523774284_512209283_7426047_412992_ n.jpg

****ing idiots, he lives really close to all of it as well

[Niamh.]

My brothers work in wood green

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/254687_10150274523774284_512209283_7426047_412992_ n.jpg

****ing idiots, he lives really close to all of it as well

I used to live in Wood Green:shocked:

[InOne]

I love the way you portray it as 'the police killing a local guy' - like he was some kindly gent, a pillar of the community, with nothing but good and kindness to offer the world.

Yeah, I find it hard to sympathise with all this blacks stabbing blacks over post code bollocks. And they always make him out to be some sort of hero with all his friends telling us how great he was and he was really "just a good guy" when in reality he was exactly the same as the person who killed him.

[King Gizzard]

I used to live in Wood Green:shocked:

Normally a nice place Wood Green/Muswell Hill

[Crimson Dynamo]

Normally a nice place Wood Green/Muswell Hill

Wood Greek as it is called locally

[MTVN]

BBC News (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14412752)

That's an earlier report, since then it looks like it was a police issue bullet that hit the officer and the victim's gun might even have been in a sock and therefore not ready for use - http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/07/police-attack-london-burns?CMP=twt_gu

The Guardian understands that initial ballistics tests on a bullet, found lodged in a police radio worn by an officer during Thursday's incident, suggested it was police issue – and therefore had not been fired by Duggan.


The latest developments come as one community organiser suggested the handgun recovered was found in a sock and therefore not ready for use

[Livia]

Obviously I cannot disagree with that statement in the main, I don't think Marches,demonstrations ,even very peaceful ones achieve much at all really.

Criminality however is a wide area, if someone has a gun, yes they are armed but if there is no intent seen as going to use it,then that is what it is, he is armed, shouldn't be, but is carrying a gun, not actually using it though.
It was said he was running away,clearly no intent to use the gun then, so why the fatal gunshots to the head.
You mention criminality, well equally as with citizens the Police are 'not' above the law.

I would not be a Policeman for anything, they are hampered greatly in many situations and do overall a fantastic job, but that doesn't mean people can be shot dead by them unless there is absolutely no other way.

Look at the Raoul Moat case a while back, he was armed, he had killed someone, injured someone else, shot at and blinded a Policeman and yet he was the one who ended up shooting and killing himself.
The Police,before he did that, even in that extreme instance only used tazer guns.although obviously they were also armed too.


It is illegal to possess a gun without a licence. If you have a gun and no licence it shows intent. Just being in possession of an illegal firearm shows intent.

[Crimson Dynamo]

All we need now is temperatures above 25 C and the Notting Hill Carnival

[Livia]

That's an earlier report, since then it looks like it was a police issue bullet that hit the officer and the victim's gun might even have been in a sock and therefore not ready for use - http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/07/police-attack-london-burns?CMP=twt_gu

Why would anyone have an illegal gun down their sock - assuming that's what happened because no one actually knows yet because the information hasn't been released. If he had a gun on him, it was an illegal gun, so you have to ask yourself what he was planning to do with it.

I won't mention yesterday's footie result... it's still too raw.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/08/article-2023554-0D59913D00000578-678_470x423.jpg


Yes Try them On
they are free Shoes
you Scum Looters and 7 year olds

JD Sports

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/08/article-2023554-0D59908000000578-202_470x423.jpg

yes your Face has gone Global.,

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/08/article-2023554-0D58092100000578-48_964x554.jpg

Arrests at CurrysDigital Store

[King Gizzard]

Looting the store she works at :crazy:

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/07/article-2023254-0D550AD800000578-847_964x606.jpg


Local Gardens with small walls were kicked over to get Brick Power

[Crimson Dynamo]

Will Luton be next?

[arista]

Will Luton be next?


No.

[arista]

Parents of any 7 year olds at these criminal Events
should be Fined £1,000 or go to Jail for 3 months



Children as young as seven took part in Tottenham riots with their faces covered

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2023554/Tottenham-riot-100-arrested-emerges-officer-flew-holiday-hours-carnage.html#ixzz1URRxBDtf

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/07/article-2023254-0d550ad800000578-847_964x606.jpg


local gardens with small walls were kicked over to get brick power



1542

[Crimson Dynamo]

No.

Theftford?

[arista]

Theftford?


Maybe

[Livia]

theftford?

lol...

[joeysteele]

It is illegal to possess a gun without a licence. If you have a gun and no licence it shows intent. Just being in possession of an illegal firearm shows intent.

You are right again.It is illegal now to possess guns without a licence and they should never be in your possession in public areas anyway.I stand firmly corrected.

[MTVN]

Why would anyone have an illegal gun down their sock - assuming that's what happened because no one actually knows yet because the information hasn't been released. If he had a gun on him, it was an illegal gun, so you have to ask yourself what he was planning to do with it.

I won't mention yesterday's footie result... it's still too raw.

I don't know, it's a crime ridden area, the guys cousin had just been stabbed, perhaps he felt it necessary for protection. That would just be speculation of course but regardless of the fact he was carrying a gun that doesn't excuse or justify the police's actions in shooting him dead in cold blood, especially if it is true that the gun was in a sock at the time.

And yes I'd say that's probably a good idea :laugh: Not the start to the season I'd hoped for

[Livia]

I don't know, it's a crime ridden area, the guys cousin had just been stabbed, perhaps he felt it necessary for protection. That would just be speculation of course but regardless of the fact he was carrying a gun that doesn't excuse or justify the police's actions in shooting him dead in cold blood, especially if it is true that the gun was in a sock at the time.

And yes I'd say that's probably a good idea :laugh: Not the start to the season I'd hoped for

They didn't shoot him dead in cold blood. They shot a man who was carrying an illegal firearm, so clearly the intent was there for him to use it. He could have been pointing it at them, we don't know what happened yet. Even if it was in his sock, he was still in possession. It doesn't matter if he was carrying it in a basket on his head. Like I said, we don't know the full story yet, but people are still siding with the criminal - the man was was equipped with an illegal firearm. What's more, he probably had not much of an idea how to use it safely because you can't go and learn that stuff at a gun club now because handguns were made illegal. They were made illegal because of criminals with unlicenced guns, shooting members of the public.

No, not the start I'd hoped for either. I was beginning to settle for a draw... I might have known those boys would break my heart again. What's to be done?

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2023667/London-riots-Looter-posts-photo-booty-online.html

[Marc]

Mental stuff.

Even worse if the police shot somebody in cold blood.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Mental stuff.

Even worse if the police shot somebody in cold blood.

eh?

[arista]

Hackney is live on the News Channels
due to Gangs attacking some places.
Police are trying to get them away from the area.

[billy123]

Its kicking off in Hackney now live on sky news after police got heavy handed with stop and search powers.

[Crimson Dynamo]

more like the idiots in hackney saw what they could loot on facebook

there are no principles here, just criminals

[billy123]

Mental stuff.

Even worse if the police shot somebody in cold blood.
Even if the kid shot dead was justified the police have made a hell of a mess in how they have handled it.
If it turns out they were in the wrong then this could go on for weeks scary stuff.

[arista]

Its kicking off in Hackney now live on sky news after police got heavy handed with stop and search powers.



No
The Police must do there Jobs.

[arista]

Even if the kid shot dead was justified the police have made a hell of a mess in how they have handled it.
If it turns out they were in the wrong then this could go on for weeks scary stuff.


Kid?



He was a 28 year old Gangsta

[MTVN]

They didn't shoot him dead in cold blood. They shot a man who was carrying an illegal firearm, so clearly the intent was there for him to use it. He could have been pointing it at them, we don't know what happened yet. Even if it was in his sock, he was still in possession. It doesn't matter if he was carrying it in a basket on his head. Like I said, we don't know the full story yet, but people are still siding with the criminal - the man was was equipped with an illegal firearm. What's more, he probably had not much of an idea how to use it safely because you can't go and learn that stuff at a gun club now because handguns were made illegal. They were made illegal because of criminals with unlicenced guns, shooting members of the public.

No, not the start I'd hoped for either. I was beginning to settle for a draw... I might have known those boys would break my heart again. What's to be done?

No but if that gun was not available to use surely you don't think that shooting him twice through the head is an appropriate response? I don't think of myself as siding with the criminal, I'd rather think that I'm siding with the victim, because that's exactly what he is in my mind. One witness even said he was on the ground when he was shot! You keep emphasising that carrying a gun is illegal and of course it is but that isn't the point, the point is whether the police's response to this offence was proportionate and justified, and from the newly available evidence it seems to me like it most definitely was not

I had pretty much just accepted it was a draw as well with 10 minutes to go or so, I certainly didn't think we'd lose though, we did have a few chances if we could have just capitalised on them. I'm trying not to get too down though, things can only get better at least

[billy123]

Kid?



He was a 28 year old Gangsta
I will give you that one i thought he was 22

[arista]

I will give you that one i thought he was 22


No he was Not a Good Man
28years old when Shot dead

[billy123]

I wonder if the media blackout will come again it doesnt seem right but i can understand it anybody watching the news just now that wants to get involved knows where to go while they are reporting on it live on tv. (but twitter,facebook and blackberry messenger does the job just as well)

[arista]

I wonder if the media blackout will come again it doesnt seem right but i can understand it anybody watching the news just now that wants to get involved knows where to go while they are reporting on it live on tv. (but twitter,facebook and blackberry messenger does the job just as well)


No Blackout.

As SkyNews and the BBCNews
both rush to try to get more news than each other.


Criminal Gangs
are still among kids

[tmi]

Bloody hell the riots are getting out of hand I reckon they should have helicopters overhead and spray the sods with water. They just doing random
attacks on normal coming home from work on the bus:nono: frigging mental.

[arista]

Bloody hell the riots are getting out of hand I reckon they should have helicopters overhead and spray the sods with water. They just doing random
attacks on normal coming home from work on the bus:nono: frigging mental.



They need Water Cannon Trucks
as they can also put out fires

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

what dee HELL is their problem? seriously!

I bet about 80% of the people involved don't even know who this Mark chap.

[billy123]

There are riot vans starting to gather near piccadilly in manchester. (Precaution?? i have no idea but its quiet at the moment.)
Source: Me i just walked past them.

[arista]

what dee HELL is their problem? seriously!

I bet about 80% of the people involved don't even know who this Mark chap.



True
many locals just said that on BBC London News.


Other places have Buses on Fire.
Peckham was stated


There are Criminals , Gangs that want to Destroy all around and
kids

[arista]

There are riot vans starting to gather near piccadilly in manchester.
Source: Me i just walked past them.


Why whats their Problem?

[billy123]

Why whats their Problem?
I have no idea its all quiet as far as i can see but they are there fully loaded with storm troopers.

[arista]

I have no idea its all quiet as far as i can see but they are there fully loaded with storm troopers.


Maybe there going to help London.

[arista]

215 arrested so far

Live on Ch4News



Another building is now on Fire. (Deptford)

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

I have no idea its all quiet as far as i can see but they are there fully loaded with storm troopers.
:bored:

[billy123]

:bored:
:sleep:

[Shaun]

Sad news. This is going to achieve nothing, and just destroy businesses and families' income when we're really in the worst possible time for that to happen to you.

[Liberty4eva]

What's all the fuss about?

[arista]

Sad news. This is going to achieve nothing, and just destroy businesses and families' income when we're really in the worst possible time for that to happen to you.



Yes there are Criminal Groups based in London who want to Burn Buildings
on So Called Political Grounds.
And Looters and Criminal Gangs doing the same
because they can.



Police are Not Guilty
they have a Job to do.

[billy123]

Outbreaks of violence being reported in birmingham.
http://lockerz.com/s/127818415
http://lockerz.com/s/127815732
And a shooting in leeds (related?) reports of looting in chapeltown in leeds.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-14449656

Where the hell is david cameron? oh i forgot he is on his jollys.
jqZ8428GSrI

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

worst possibly scenario if this goes on like a domino effect for days...can it lead to civil war? :conf:

I agree that in some cases the police is in the wrong and the issue needs to be addressed but this accomplishes nothing tbh

[arista]

"Outbreaks of violence being reported in birmingham."


Yes a SkyNewsHD reporter is up there, just spoke Live,
he said Shops started Closing early
so they got Angry.



I have Expanded the Title of this thread

[arista]

What's all the fuss about?


Kids are on School Holiday Time
And Adult Criminal Gangs are setting them up a great deal.


FoxNews shows it each hour.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

part of my sisters work building was burned :cloud::cloud::cloud::cloud::cloud::cloud::cloud:: cloud::cloud:

[arista]

worst possibly scenario if this goes on like a domino effect for days...can it lead to civil war? :conf:

I agree that in some cases the police is in the wrong and the issue needs to be addressed but this accomplishes nothing tbh



No Civil war is Guns like Libya.


This is criminals and others
with nothing better to do.


Shame Ch5 Big Brother is not on Now



Parents need to check the place there kids are at.

[GypsyGoth]

http://i.imgur.com/30IDI.gif

[arista]

http://i.imgur.com/30IDI.gif



Yes its LuckyDip time for Criminals and kids

[michael21]

http://i.imgur.com/30IDI.gif

:laugh3:

its good tv ant it

[MTVN]

The is just crazy, can't have been riots on this scale for years, were the Brixton riots 20 years even on this big a scale? Hopefully it'll die down over the next couple of days but then there's also the worry that it might go the other way and they spread to other parts of the country

[michael21]

i been watching from when it stared today the police were there but are doing nothing i say bring in the army

[GypsyGoth]

It's strange to see, I've got sky news on.

It seems like gangs in other cities are going to get in on the looting.

[GypsyGoth]

i been watching from when it stared today the police were there but are doing nothing i say bring in the army

I think the army are in Afghanistan.

[arista]

i been watching from when it stared today the police were there but are doing nothing i say bring in the army


I Informed you it was kids, as well as others
and Today it was proved.


http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2011/Aug/Week1/16045447.jpg


http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2011/Aug/Week1/16045446.jpg

[michael21]

The is just crazy, can't have been r iots on this scale for years, were the Brixton riots 20 years even on this big a scale? Hopefully it'll die down over the next couple of days but then there's also the worry that it might go the other way and they spread to other parts of the country

there were some not that long ago

[GypsyGoth]

I Informed you it was kids, as well as others
and Today it was proved.


http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2011/Aug/Week1/16045447.jpg

I blame the incompetent parents.

[MTVN]

there were some not that long ago

Yeah but not on this scale

[InOne]

This is even worse than the Bradford riots, not good :/ I hope that domino effect thing doesn't happen

[GypsyGoth]

but i have not seen any kids on the news today

anyway arista the kids are coming to get you so dont go out :devil: :joker:


No arista is very safe.


Sign Of The Times.

[tmi]

Bloody hell this is getting out of control, they must be using social networking sites to set up gangs, they have to sort this out otherwise the country will go to pot, the government should stop pissting about.
Start border controls, frigging hell, some people see looting as cheap way to stock the cupboards in this current climate.

[michael21]

Yeah but not on this scale

there was shop bank police all attact and fire i think it the tec we have today making it easyer for this to happen :dance:

[michael21]

haha all the mp have to cut there hoildays short :joker: were the pm a

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/08/article-2023554-0D5B11D400000578-203_964x518.jpg

[InOne]

Michael stop spamming :nono:

[GypsyGoth]

It's spreading to Croydon :conf2:

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/08/article-2023554-0D5AF60100000578-873_964x530.jpg

[GypsyGoth]

Houses are being set on fire :(

[arista]

Michael stop spamming :nono:


He is Out Of Order
this is a Good Forum.

[GypsyGoth]

He is Out Of Order
this is a Good Forum.

He has gone out to loot himself some trainers and an iphone.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/08/article-2023554-0D5A845B00000578-553_964x705.jpg

Just before the latest Attacks
Deputy PM Nick Clegg was in Tottenham With Local Labour MP Lamy

[michael21]

It's spreading to Croydon :conf2:

i no and other places to its all over facebook :dance: i saw on the news a jd sports being rob and the ploces hellicopter was right by it

[Scarlett.]

THIS is why we need water cannons

[arista]

THIS is why we need water cannons


Yes they are now needed
as they also Stop the Fires fast.

[arista]

Big Area in Croyon is in
flames

[GypsyGoth]

Big Area in Croyon is in
flames

I hope the scumbags stop starting the ****ing fires before they kill someone.

[Scarlett.]

Yes they are now needed
as they also Stop the Fires fast.

That building on BBC News :shocked:

[GypsyGoth]

London's burning.

[arista]

That building on BBC News :shocked:


Yes also on LiveSkyNewsHD.

It Burnt to far and spreading


Worldwide News now
Al Jazeera and RT News

[michael21]

London's burning.

i trun it on RT news and that what there headline was

[arista]

London's burning.


No.


But a Massive Old Building In Croydon
has gone Global.

[King Gizzard]

So this is what Tory Britain of the 80s is like. My dad did warn me.

[billy123]

So this is what Tory Britain of the 80s is like. My dad did warn me.Yep its deja vu alright. when people have got nothing left to lose they stop caring.

http://www.firstnews.co.uk/site_data/images/prime_minister_david_cameron_announced_the_birth_o f_his_6lb_1oz_baby_girl_4c7ce5db4e001.jpg

[arista]

So this is what Tory Britain of the 80s is like. My dad did warn me.

No this is Conservative - LibDem UK.


And due to Hi Tech Media Connections
Criminals Gangs are able to move faster

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/08/article-2023554-0D5B075100000578-116_470x585.jpg


Criminals looting today.

[GypsyGoth]

Those jeans will go well with his hoodie.

[billy123]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/08/article-2023554-0D5B075100000578-116_470x585.jpg


Criminals looting today.
Is that Ben from bb11 on the right? whats he doing there!!!

[Scarlett.]

No this is Conservative - LibDem UK.


And due to Hi Tech Media Connections
Criminals Gangs are able to move faster

More like Con-Dem

[arista]

Mark Stone Live On SkyNews
by Phone,
just said they are outside of the areas doing it.



Also PM is back tonight


Croydon Real Old Buildings
are well gone in Flames

[Harry!]

This is so terrible! I hope it stops! I would be so scared if this happened where I live.

[arista]

Is that Ben from bb11 on the right?


No Ben has more Hair

[Smithy]

Just seen on twitter that there's riots planned for manchester tomorrow? :conf2:

[GypsyGoth]

Just seen on twitter that there's riots planned for manchester tomorrow? :conf2:

:eek:

The police will have to make examples of these jerks.

[arista]

Just seen on twitter that there's riots planned for manchester tomorrow? :conf2:


Yes Others are thinking Lets have more.

[Sarah.]

http://birminghamriots2011.tumblr.com/

:(

[MTVN]

Is that Ben from bb11 on the right? whats he doing there!!!

That does look a hell of a lot like him, the hair, the suit, even the way he's standing :joker:

[MTVN]

Cameron's on his way home now anyway

[arista]

http://birminghamriots2011.tumblr.com/

:(



Yes They Started to Close Shops Early
and then it went wrong,
according to a SkyNews Reporter up there.

[bbfan1991]

Disgusted, feel for all the innocent people that are affected because of these mindless thugs just causing trouble and they're really not bothered what happened to that guy.

Hoping innocent people are safe and sad it's spreading to other parts of the UK too:(. Glad PM is on his way back to the country from his holiday to take control of this situation.

[arista]

Scotland seems OK

[arista]

SkyNews
just had Reporter Mark Stones Film from Clapham, London

[bbfan1991]

Sad seeing the pictures in Birmingham:bawling:. I live not far from there but it's sickening to see.

Feel for all those inncoent people caught up in it due to these thugs:mad:.

[billy123]

http://www.mydavidcameron.com/images/nix1.jpg
Hows it working out so far?

[Beso]

southend high street looted, basildon looted..barking stabbings rioting and looting..it's spreading fast.

[Beso]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/08/article-2023554-0D5B075100000578-116_470x585.jpg


Criminals looting today.

why is bb's ben there?

[Shaun]

I like how people are worrying about how this portrays us with regard to the 2012 Olympics. Probably should be a bit more concerned than that.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/08/article-2023554-0D5B05CC00000578-899_964x606.jpg

This car is the Front page of many papers

[Beso]

I like how people are worrying about how this portrays us with regard to the 2012 Olympics. Probably should be a bit more concerned than that.

thats probably why the tv isn't reporting rioting in east ham, green street and barking.

[Jordan.]

*goes looting for some fruit pastilles*

[bbfan1991]

The thugs have set fire to the Primark in Birmingham:shocked:.

[billy123]

I like how people are worrying about how this portrays us with regard to the 2012 Olympics. Probably should be a bit more concerned than that.So true who gives a witches tit about the olympics judging from some of the scenes on display tonight i think loss of life is a real possibility.

[bbfan1991]

There was a rumour on Twitter about Birmingham Children's Hospital being targeted, really hope it's not true:(:mad:.

[Scarlett.]

There was a rumour on Twitter about Birmingham Children's Hospital being targeted, really hope it's not true:(:mad:.

What sort of scum could do that :shocked:

[GypsyGoth]

What sort of scum could do that :shocked:

Probably junkies.

[MTVN]

Good tweet:

The Youth of the Middle East rise up for basic freedoms.The Youth of London rise up for a HD ready 42" Plasma TV

[bbfan1991]

Thank heavens, seems it's just rumours.

[Shaun]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpmh4ijFeq1qiz5jjo1_500.jpg

[MTVN]

Wouldn't be surprised to see water cannons and tear gas used if this continues over the next few days, pictures from Croydon look pretty quiet really around where that huge fire is

[Scarlett.]

They need to be allowed to use more force

[GypsyGoth]

The police should loot the houses of these scumbags and see how they like it.

[Ninastar]

They need to be allowed to use more force

i agree

[Scarlett.]

Gqj1N9qeWXI

[bbfan1991]

They need to be allowed to use more force

Truth or even better send the army in, if these thugs want to act the big tough men send them to Afghanistan and see how they like it then!

[Novo]

Horrible disgusting tramps looting when i have to pay my hard earned money for things :bored:

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/08/article-2023874-0D5B42D200000578-41_964x532.jpg

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/08/article-2023874-0D5B450A00000578-780_470x423.jpg
Looters raid the Orange Store in New Street, Birmingham this evening

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2023874/LONDON-RIOTS-David-Cameron-returns-home-police-face-gangs-petrol-bombs.html#ixzz1UTamDWHt

[Scarlett.]

Truth or even better send the army in, if these thugs want to act the big tough men send them to Afghanistan and see how they like it then!

That's martial law though, which is what governments usually want to avoid, unless they want to opress the population

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/08/article-2023874-0D5B442A00000578-394_964x647.jpg
Looters rampage through a convenience store in Hackney

[arista]

Gqj1N9qeWXI

Yes Brave SkyNews reporter Mark Stone
tonight

[MTVN]

Gqj1N9qeWXI

Does he get attacked at the end there?

[Scarlett.]

Not sure, I hope not

[arista]

Does he get attacked at the end there?


Yes he Told SkyNews they Got his other Phone
he then went to a Side street and Phoned direct to SkyNews

He is Safe now

[Mystic Mock]

This has become a joke as its ever so simple,bring in Martial law and give them one chance to surrender,and if anybody doesnt then shoot them as the looters didnt care about setting that family buisness on fire,and throwing bricks at peoples windows.

Also David Cameron is a wimp as any time something big happens like the hacking scandal or the riots,his on holiday.

His an ineffective leader,even Labour knows what to do in this situation and thats saying something.

[arista]

"on holiday."


No The PM is on his way back now

[MTVN]

This has become a joke as its ever so simple,bring in Martial law and give them one chance to surrender,and if anybody doesnt then shoot them as the looters didnt care about setting that family buisness on fire,and throwing bricks at peoples windows.

Also David Cameron is a wimp as any time something big happens like the hacking scandal or the riots,his on holiday.

His an ineffective leader,even Labour knows what to do in this situation and thats saying something.

That would make things ten times worse

[Scarlett.]

That would make things ten times worse

Definately, using lethal force is not the way our police prefers to operate, and rightfully so.

"Hate begets hate; violence begets violence; toughness begets a greater toughness. We must meet the forces of hate with the power of love... Our aim must never be to defeat or humiliate the white man, but to win his friendship and understanding."

Martin Luther King

[bbfan1991]

RE the Birmingham riots, some idiot has uploaded this picture to Twitter. Thicko:joker:.

http://twitpic.com/633lsf

[Mystic Mock]

That would make things ten times worse

Really how? they will be to scared to take on the Army as the looters are unarmed for starters,plus who would want to be shot.

Also well done to the Journalist on Sky News,more braver than the police and David Cameron put together,also his catching these bastards faces aswell so well done to him,sadly they will only get a slap on the wrist knowing this Country.

[Mystic Mock]

Definately, using lethal force is not the way our police prefers to operate, and rightfully so.

"Hate begets hate; violence begets violence; toughness begets a greater toughness. We must meet the forces of hate with the power of love... Our aim must never be to defeat or humiliate the white man, but to win his friendship and understanding."

Martin Luther King

So you would just allow this to carry on then? or would you try to talk to them about the reason why they destroyed family buisnesses or robbing stuff in Currys?

[MTVN]

Really how? they will be to scared to take on the Army as the looters are unarmed for starters,plus who would want to be shot.

Also well done to the Journalist on Sky News,more braver than the police and David Cameron put together,also his catching these bastards faces aswell so well done to him,sadly they will only get a slap on the wrist knowing this Country.

Because if the army start massacring people on the streets it's not going to go down well, it will lead to even more resentment and probably more people out on the street rioting, and even if it didn't a peace built on repression is no peace at all

[Scarlett.]

So you would just allow this to carry on then? or would you try to talk to them about the reason why they destroyed family buisnesses or robbing stuff in Currys?

Tear gas, tasers, rubber bullets, water cannons - these would be better than lethal rounds

[bbfan1991]

Some football matches rightly being called off already...

[LaLaLand]

This is MADNESS. WTF has this country come to!

[MTVN]

Hearing that someone's been found dead in Croydon apparently, if true I wouldn't be surprised if it's not the last of the night

[Mystic Mock]

peace built on repression is no peace at all

Its better that happening than them doing this.

[Rob]

I'm fully expecting the England match to be called off, shame as I was looking forward to this!

[Smithy]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpmngrMpsJ1qbldgqo1_500.jpg

[bbfan1991]

WATCH THIS: One incredibly brave #Hackney woman faces down the yobs in extraordinary, heroic style: http://t.co/c5vgHWl”

This woman speaks the truth:).

[Scarlett.]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpmngrMpsJ1qbldgqo1_500.jpg

That building is being torn down right now