View Full Version : Questions about rules regarding HMs becoming members[Split]
Vicky.
03-11-2011, 03:38 PM
OK, I have split the majority of posts in this thread from anther thread, as the original thread was going quite offtopic. There seems to be a bit of confusion over what is acceptable and what is not acceptable when it comes to HMs/people to do with BB becoming forum members.
I have attempted to explain the rules regarding this in this thread(but at times failed drastically at putting across what I actually meant) and have now found out that its much easier to explain by using hypothetical situations. So i have copied one of my later posts in this thread...to the front page, incase people cant be bothered reading through the whole thread for clarification :p
So here are some hypothetical situations. Obviously every situation is not outlined here, but the general rule on this hopefully is quite easy to understand.
There is a long running thread in which many members have said XXXX is an arsehole because on his behavior in the house. XXXX then joins the forum.
We cannot expect people who have a negative opinion on XXXX to stop posting said negative opinion just because he has joined the forum. Because besides being a member, he is also a housemate and a topic of conversation
XXXX is a member of the forum. Someone starts a thread on XXXXs time in the house and says they were a prick. This is fine, as it is an opinion on the show. Where saying to XXXX that they are a prick, is not
XXXX makes a thread to introduce themselves. A member then answers this thread with 'you are such an arsehole'. This is not OK, because it is an insult to another forum member.
XXXX makes a thread saying they will answer FMS questions. A member asks 'why did you do this in the house, it came across a bit sh***y' would be fine. Whilst 'you were such a **** **** **** when you did this in the house, and you are still *** **** now' would not be
If anyone has any questions on this, please add them to the thread and I(or another member of staff) will try to explain. As this is a VERY grey area. Basically, the main thing is distinguishing between the member as a member, and the member as a housemate.
vesavius
03-11-2011, 04:28 PM
Quoting this again as some seem to have missed it.
OK... confused now :puzzled:
Are we saying now that relatives who have actively engaged in the media (and therefore the show) are fair game to be attacked and ridiculed, as they have been, while any relative who signs up here, but otherwise fits that description, isn't?
Or are we saying that no one that isn't a HM should be made a target on a personal level, because they are all real people that aren't in the competition (which I personally prefer).
Mods here have supported and posted in threads that were attacking non HMs (even necroing them once they were long dead) and so that sent the message to me that all relatives/ friends of HMs were ok to talk about.... Not criticising those mods, just saying that the message is confused and I would like to know so I don't get banned for accidently doing the wrong thing :/
It's getting very muddy tbh... Can we clarify once and for all?
Vicky.
03-11-2011, 04:39 PM
OK... confused now :puzzled:
Are we saying now that relatives who have actively engaged in the media (and therefore the show) are fair game to be attacked and ridiculed, as they have been, while any relative who signs up here, but otherwise fits that description, isn't?
Or are we saying that no one that isn't a HM should be made a target on a personal level, because they are all real people that aren't in the competition (which I personally prefer).
Mods here have supported and posted in threads that were attacking non HMs (even necroing them once they were long dead) and so that sent the message to me that all relatives/ friends of HMs were ok to talk about.... Not criticising those mods, just saying that the message is confused and I would like to know so I don't get banned for accidently doing the wrong thing :/
It's getting very muddy tbh... Can we clarify once and for all?
Did you read the second half of my post? Insults TO other members are not allowed, even if they are a family member or an ex housemate.
If you really felt the need to you could go and start another thread about how you dislike Aarons brother and what he said on BBBOTS or his nominations or whatever, as he has been connected with the show...but an insult AT him(eg in this thread...saying oi mate your a wanker or something) is not allowed, as he is a forum member.
vesavius
03-11-2011, 04:48 PM
Insults TO other members are not allowed, even if they are a family member or an ex housemate.
If you really felt the need to you could go and start another thread about how you dislike Aarons brother and what he said on BBBOTS or his nominations or whatever, as he has been connected with the show...but an insult AT him(eg in this thread...saying oi mate your a wanker or something) is not allowed, as he is a forum member.
OK, so we are allowed to make personal attacks on non HMs that have done media, but those that register are protected.
I could say, 'Aaron's wife, what a money grubbing bitch for selling her story', for instance?
Understood. Thanks for the clarification.
Vicky.
03-11-2011, 04:50 PM
OK, so we are allowed to make personal attacks on non HMs that have done media, but those that register are protected.
I could say, 'Aaron's wife, what a money grubbing bitch for selling her story', for instance?
Understood. Thanks for the clarification.
Not at all. They are not protected. You could still say how much you dislike them, just not directly insult them. I already said this, twice.
I have a feeling you are deliberately missing the point in order to make a big fuss out of nothing. Which is out of character... :hugesmile:
vesavius
03-11-2011, 04:53 PM
Not at all. They are not protected. You could still say how much you dislike them, just not directly insult them. I already said this, twice.
I have a feeling you are deliberately missing the point in order to make a big fuss out of nothing. Which is out of character...
Please don't attack or make observations about my character. :nono:
I am just asking stright up questions to get clear answers, sorry if that's a bother... I just don't want any unnecessary infractions or bans issued.
OK, so we are allowed to make personal attacks on non HMs that have done media, but those that register are protected.
I could say, 'Aaron's wife, what a money grubbing bitch for selling her story', for instance?
Understood. Thanks for the clarification.
I always understood and am sure it is in the rules also, which maybe many of us need to read up/recap on every once in a while, and also thought it was the adult and even common sense thing to do and shouldn't really need clarifying for the most part as most members of forums are intelligent enough to realise this? that housemates and their families if they choose to get involved outside the forum ie: as in the nommings of the housemates etc; are fair game only up to a certain extent. That over the top insults are not on. We all let slip sometimes, as is human nature, but that is different to deliberately setting out to insult to the extremes at times.
Vicky.
03-11-2011, 04:57 PM
Please don't attack or make observations about my character. :nono:
I am just asking stright up questions to get clear answers, sorry if that's a bother... I just don't want any unnecessary infractions or bans issued.
And then totally twisting those answers to suit your own agenda.
vesavius
03-11-2011, 04:58 PM
I always understood..
Thanks Suze, but I think the mods have this in hand. Appreciate the input though.
vesavius
03-11-2011, 05:00 PM
And then totally twisting those answers to suit your own agenda.
/sigh...
No Vicky. I want clear rules so I know where I stand. It's that simple.
Your seeing what isn't there... I have no idea why your attacking me TBH.
Vicky.
03-11-2011, 05:03 PM
/sigh...
No Vicky. I want clear rules so I know where I stand. It's that simple.
Your seeing what isn't there... I have no idea why your attacking me TBH.
LOL at 'attacking you'
You deliberately cut off the second part of my post that had already clarified the answer to the question you asked...just to make me repeat it again, then you twisted the answer into 'those who register are protected' when I didnt say that at all.
ChristmasNeeve
03-11-2011, 05:03 PM
/sigh...
No Vicky. I want clear rules so I know where I stand. It's that simple.
Your seeing what isn't there... I have no idea why your attacking me TBH.
Vicky explained it very clearly and she certainly isn't attacking you.
vesavius
03-11-2011, 05:04 PM
LOL at 'attacking you'.
Please continue this in PMs if you must. It isn't appropriate for the thread or forum IMO.
Vicky.
03-11-2011, 05:05 PM
Please continue this in PMs if you must. It isn't appropriate for the thread or forum IMO.
Just :laugh3:
Thanks Suze, but I think the mods have this in hand. Appreciate the input though.
I have a question did you think Jose was a worthy winner?
Jose was supposed to be a girl next door type, please she turned to out be a
pisst head and agressive person . There was a reason the house didnt have much booze last time the real Jose would have been outed.
She manipulated the public into thinking she was in real relationship with John and he travelled back to Oz on a 24 hour flight three times in how many months because she was such a lovely girl who threw things at him.
Jose was a gameplayer and Aaron is a gameplayer but what you see is what you get.
vesavius
03-11-2011, 05:07 PM
Just :laugh3:
What a shame. Dissapointing.
vesavius
03-11-2011, 05:09 PM
I have a question did you think Jose was a worthy winner?
She won the popular vote (and me over £500) so yep, she was 'worthy'.
Anyone in a popularity contest that gets the most individual votes is 'worthy' because that is the sole condition of victory.
Bill Carson
03-11-2011, 05:12 PM
Just :laugh3:
Not needed...
She won the popular vote (and me over £500) so yep, she was 'worthy'.
Anyone in a popularity contest that gets the most individual votes is 'worthy' because that is the sole condition of victory.
I have nothing else to say.
In the Drunk Tank
03-11-2011, 05:18 PM
I think the above discussion can be dropped now, the rules regarding this have been clarified several times; it is fine to insult house mates and to some extent family members who put themselves into the public eye. However when they join they also become forum members, who it is obviously against the rules to insult directly, but if you make a negative comment on a thread discussing them as a house mate then that is acceptable; there is a distinction between them as a member and them as a HM
I can't believe the level of hostility on here and the vitriolic comments directed at someone who is naturally supporting his sibling. Why would you suggest he has any ulterior motive other than having a need to express a very human in-built desire to protect and support a member of his family? It is human nature, and if you can't understand that and insist on spitting venom then who is the one that is 'fake'? Because don't tell me you wouldn't do the same for your own next of kin! Albeit perhaps in not such an eloquent, atticulate and civilized mannor as David did, obviously!
Cromwell1900
03-11-2011, 07:58 PM
I can't believe the level of hostility on here and the vitriolic comments directed at someone who is naturally supporting his sibling. Why would you suggest he has any ulterior motive other than having a need to express a very human in-built desire to protect and support a member of his family? It is human nature, and if you can't understand that and insist on spitting venom then who is the one that is 'fake'? Because don't tell me you wouldn't do the same for your own next of kin! Albeit perhaps in not such an eloquent, atticulate and civilized mannor as David did, obviously!
Iv not read the thread, but you are painting a best case scenario of the Op's intentions, there are other's, and the fact that the Op has not stuck around to defend his point of view is enough to tell me i don't trust his intentions. Love to know if there are any Aaron fans that don't trust his intentions though?
Iv not read the thread, but you are painting a best case scenario of the Op's intentions, there are other's, and the fact that the Op has not stuck around to defend his point of view is enough to tell me i don't trust his intentions. Love to know if there are any Aaron fans that don't trust his intentions though?
No Cromwell, I am painting raw, undiluted emotions; this is what drives us to protect all those we hold dear. As for ulterior motives, they are secondary and I for one cannot think what would be more prominant or important. What do you feel these intensions extend to?
In the Drunk Tank
03-11-2011, 08:21 PM
I can't believe the level of hostility on here and the vitriolic comments directed at someone who is naturally supporting his sibling. Why would you suggest he has any ulterior motive other than having a need to express a very human in-built desire to protect and support a member of his family? It is human nature, and if you can't understand that and insist on spitting venom then who is the one that is 'fake'? Because don't tell me you wouldn't do the same for your own next of kin! Albeit perhaps in not such an eloquent, atticulate and civilized mannor as David did, obviously!
I don't think he's recieved any more criticism than other family members. On the contrary in fact, we've had 12 pages of almost unanimous support for him, there have been far worse things written about Faye's Mum, or Jay's Mum
InOne
03-11-2011, 08:23 PM
I don't think he's recieved any more criticism than other family members. On the contrary in fact, we've had 12 pages of almost unanimous support for him, there have been far worse things written about Faye's Mum, or Jay's Mum
Exactly, but anything about St Aaron's family and they get "too much of a hard time" or whatever. He's fair game :idc:
I don't think he's recieved any more criticism than other family members. On the contrary in fact, we've had 12 pages of almost unanimous support for him, there have been far worse things written about Faye's Mum, or Jay's Mum
Oh well, that makes everything hunky dory then :whistle:
In the Drunk Tank
03-11-2011, 08:28 PM
Oh well, that makes everything hunky dory then :whistle:
Well that's a misrepresentation of what I said, I was just making an observation regarding the treatment of different family members
Cromwell1900
03-11-2011, 08:30 PM
No Cromwell, I am painting raw, undiluted emotions; this is what drives us to protect all those we hold dear. As for ulterior motives, they are secondary and I for one cannot think what would be more prominant or important. What do you feel these intensions extend to?
Well i think all these raw emotions, which drive us to protect loved one's last a bit longer than one post.
And i don't really have to consider the Op's intention's further than do i trust them or not.
If i were to guess about his possible intentions(worst case) however i'd say he is trying to support his Brothers game, everything in his post speaks to an Aaron fan, either because his words are the truth and Aaron fans are correct, else his words are false and convincing the public Aaron is just being himself is all part of the game. No surprise which option i choose, but that does not make me blind to the alternative.
What i have seen of Aaron tells me he's transmitting a concocted image, which satisfies the average BB viewer, he's made many a mistake and spanners have been thrown in the works but this is my take on it, and there is plenty of evidence which supports this.
Pyramid*
03-11-2011, 08:31 PM
I don't think he's recieved any more criticism than other family members. On the contrary in fact, we've had 12 pages of almost unanimous support for him, there have been far worse things written about Faye's Mum, or Jay's Mum
Faye's mum or Jay's mum aren't members of this forum .... are they? :conf:
Well that's a misrepresentation of what I said, I was just making an observation regarding the treatment of different family members
Well, instead of posting comments which are obvious to all, as an OP why don't you act upon it instead of making observations?
Just asking :p
In the Drunk Tank
03-11-2011, 08:35 PM
Faye's mum or Jay's mum aren't members of this forum .... are they? :conf:
No.. but I don't particularly see anything wrong with the reaction to Aaron's Brother's post, overwhelmingly positive but as is inevitable there's been the occasional negative, critical post.
Vicky.
03-11-2011, 08:36 PM
Exactly, but anything about St Aaron's family and they get "too much of a hard time" or whatever. He's fair game :idc:
Not quite, insults directed at him arent allowed, as he is a forum member.
If Fayes mum or Jays mum joined, no insults would be allowed at them either.
A discussion thread on them is a totally different kettle of fish though.
(Must say though that negative posts are not the same as insults.. and that the insults in this thread as far as I can see have been deleted anyway)
InOne
03-11-2011, 08:40 PM
Not quite, insults directed at him arent allowed, as he is a forum member.
If Fayes mum or Jays mum joined, no insults would be allowed at them either.
A discussion thread on them is a totally different kettle of fish though.
(Must say though that negative posts are not the same as insults.. and that the insults in this thread as far as I can see have been deleted anyway)
I've not insulted anyone :nono: I don't know him personally so wouldn't insulted him personally. But I'd say anything about his brother that I wanted. Within reason of course ;)
Pyramid*
03-11-2011, 08:40 PM
No.. but I don't particularly see anything wrong with the reaction to Aaron's Brother's post, overwhelmingly positive but as is inevitable there's been the occasional negative, critical post.
Seems Vicky's post below doesn't quite echo your own. Surely insults to forum members should be regarded as wrong?
Not quite, insults directed at him arent allowed, as he is a forum member.
If Fayes mum or Jays mum joined, no insults would be allowed at them either.
A discussion thread on them is a totally different kettle of fish though.
(Must say though that negative posts are not the same as insults.. and that the insults in this thread as far as I can see have been deleted anyway)
In the Drunk Tank
03-11-2011, 08:40 PM
With all due repect, as a member of staff why not act upon it instead of making observations?
Just asking !
Act upon what? I see nothing wrong with the reaction to Aaron's Brother's post and in the case of Faye and Jay's mum they're not members of the forum so there is more leeway to insult them. I wasn't saying anything was happening that was breaking any forum rules.
Vicky.
03-11-2011, 08:42 PM
Seems Vicky's post below doesn't quite echo your own. Surely insults to forum members should be regarded as wrong?
Insults, yes.
But not all negative posts are insults.
Pyramid*
03-11-2011, 08:42 PM
I've not insulted anyone :nono: I don't know him personally so wouldn't insulted him personally. But I'd say anything about his brother that I wanted. Within reason of course ;)
You don't have to know a person personally to be insult them. (not necessarily you in particular - I mean in general - fms don't need to know each other personally to throw insults around).
In the Drunk Tank
03-11-2011, 08:42 PM
Seems Vicky's post below doesn't quite echo your own. Surely insults to forum members should be regarded as wrong?
I think it does echo my own in saying negative posts are not the same as insults, we haven't allowed any direct insults in this thread so therefore I see no problem with any of the posts in this thread currently
Pyramid*
03-11-2011, 08:43 PM
Insults, yes.
But not all negative posts are insults.
I was meaning the insults - ie; the insulting posts that have been removed - that's what I mean.
I agree that negative comments of views are fair play.
Vicky.
03-11-2011, 08:43 PM
I've not insulted anyone :nono: I don't know him personally so wouldn't insulted him personally. But I'd say anything about his brother that I wanted. Within reason of course ;)
Yes, I know this :p
But saying things about his brother, is very different to saying things TO his brother.
Like you could say in another thread 'oh XXX was such a dick' but if they join, you wouldnt say 'oh you are such a dick'
Or I would hope you wouldnt :suspect:
InOne
03-11-2011, 08:44 PM
You don't have to know a person personally to be insult them. (not necessarily you in particular - I mean in general - fms don't need to know each other personally to throw insults around).
Well the X is always in the corner if it all gets too much.
InOne
03-11-2011, 08:44 PM
Yes, I know this :p
But saying things about his brother, is very different to saying things TO his brother.
Like you could say in another thread 'oh XXX was such a dick' but if they join, you wouldnt say 'oh you are such a dick'
Or I would hope you wouldnt :suspect:
Well you could word it in past tense I guess all the time. I would anyway
Pyramid*
03-11-2011, 08:45 PM
Act upon what? I see nothing wrong with the reaction to Aaron's Brother's post and in the case of Faye and Jay's mum they're not members of the forum so there is more leeway to insult them. I wasn't saying anything was happening that was breaking any forum rules.
I think it does echo my own in saying negative posts are not the same as insults, we haven't allowed any direct insults in this thread so therefore I see no problem with any of the posts in this thread currently
You said, "Act upon what?" - and then saying you see nothing wrong.
That's more what I was trying to say.
I'm reading that as you not acting upon the insults (that have since been deleted). I may be wrong, and you may have deleted some of the insulting posts: if so, I will offer sincere apologies.
Insults, yes.
But not all negative posts are insults.
I'm a little confused between an insult and a negative post...I haven't posted on this thread because even though I like Aaron, I was not impressed at all when at last weeks eviction his brother smirked while Faye's mum was booed by the crowd so I didn't feel I wanted to repond in any way to his thread....because he is a member..is it an insult to say I thought his behaviour was.....shabby
Pyramid*
03-11-2011, 08:46 PM
Well the X is always in the corner if it all gets too much.
What that has to do with my post - I have not a clue.
Vicky.
03-11-2011, 08:46 PM
Well you could word it in past tense I guess
Yes but you wouldnt say it TO them. Thats my point. You would say it about them when discussing them...if thats what you felt.
But saying directly to any other member that they are a dick...is against the rules. No matter who the member is.
Vicky.
03-11-2011, 08:47 PM
I'm a little confused between an insult and a negative post...I haven't posted on this thread because even though I like Aaron, I was not impressed at all when at last weeks eviction his brother smirked while Faye's mum was booed by the crowd so I didn't feel I wanted to repond in any way to his thread....because he is a member..is it an insult to say I thought his behaviour was.....shabby
No.
Pyramid*
03-11-2011, 08:47 PM
I'm a little confused between an insult and a negative post...I haven't posted on this thread because even though I like Aaron, I was not impressed at all when at last weeks eviction his brother smirked while Faye's mum was booed by the crowd so I didn't feel I wanted to repond in any way to his thread....because he is a member..is it an insult to say I thought his behaviour was.....shabby
See...I thought Faye's mum had that coming - and I was glad to see it.
:blush2:
In the Drunk Tank
03-11-2011, 08:48 PM
You said, "Act upon what?" - and then saying you see nothing wrong.
That's more what I was trying to say.
I'm reading that as you not acting upon the insults (that have since been deleted). I may be wrong, and you may have deleted some of the insulting posts: if so, I will offer sincere apologies.
Any insults that might have been in here will have been removed, but I don't believe any remain in this thread atm
Pyramid*
03-11-2011, 08:49 PM
Any insults that might have been in here will have been removed, but I don't believe any remain in this thread atm
That's not quite what I commented on though. Anyhoooooo......
G1dds
03-11-2011, 08:50 PM
Oh, Im confused :(
So, I could write a thread with " I think X is a kn*b" , but Cant write a thread/post "X, you are a kn*b"
same difference to me.............:conf:
Faye's mum or Jay's mum aren't members of this forum .... are they? :conf:
Not that we know of, though it wouldn't surprise me in the least if family or friends of some of this years BB housemates are on forums posting. And if that were or is the case, then at least David is open about who he is on here. And for those Having a moaning about him posting as he is, well, as a member he has as much right to post as anyone else does, and even more reason to big up his brother Aaron, he also has a right to make just the one post and doesn't have to defend anything in his post at all. Plus if anything he might have done more damage towards Aaron's chances of winning BB than good by posting, although I doubt he has, he just probably wanted to speak out about his brother of which I don't blame him :) I think some who don't like Aaron are just probably miffed that his brother cares enough to joinand make that post :)
Good on yer David :)
G1dds
03-11-2011, 08:50 PM
See...I thought Faye's mum had that coming - and I was glad to see it.
:blush2:
Lol, so did I :dance:
Yes but you wouldnt say it TO them. Thats my point. You would say it about them when discussing them...if thats what you felt.
But saying directly to any other member that they are a dick...is against the rules. No matter who the member is.
If you could post a list of which members are dicks....they would know who they were and nobody would have to mention it to them....
Vicky.
03-11-2011, 08:53 PM
If you could post a list of which members are dicks....they would know who they were and nobody would have to mention it to them....
:conf:
I'm not quite understanding this at all.
see...i thought faye's mum had that coming - and i was glad to see it.
:blush2:
lol......
InOne
03-11-2011, 08:54 PM
Yes but you wouldnt say it TO them. Thats my point. You would say it about them when discussing them...if thats what you felt.
But saying directly to any other member that they are a dick...is against the rules. No matter who the member is.
Yeah indeed, I'd always take the subtle approach lol
And for the record I don't think he's a dick or anything :tongue:
:conf:
I'm not quite understanding this at all.
..it was a joke......well obviously not.......LOL
Vicky.
03-11-2011, 08:55 PM
Oh, Im confused :(
So, I could write a thread with " I think X is a kn*b" , but Cant write a thread/post "X, you are a kn*b"
same difference to me.............:conf:
IF they joined...you could not directly insult them. As it would be an insult to other members...
You could post/start a thread about their involvement with BB and say they were a knob. But if they were posting, you could not say TO them that they are a knob.
Its a very grey area, I have to admit, but you need to separate the poster from the housemate...
Pyramid*
03-11-2011, 08:56 PM
Oh, Im confused :(
So, I could write a thread with " I think X is a kn*b" , but Cant write a thread/post "X, you are a kn*b"
same difference to me.............:conf:
Me too. If that is written, then as far as I see it , it is still an insult - discussing another forum member in a rude, insulting and derogatory manner.
Act upon what? I see nothing wrong with the reaction to Aaron's Brother's post and in the case of Faye and Jay's mum they're not members of the forum so there is more leeway to insult them. I wasn't saying anything was happening that was breaking any forum rules.
You're saying you saw nothing wrong....yet it was stated that some posts were deleted, so others must have. I don't give a crapola about other threads, I simply felt inclined to voice what I felt in this one
InOne
03-11-2011, 08:56 PM
Me too. If that is written, then as far as I see it , it is still an insult - discussing another forum member in a rude, insulting and derogatory manner.
But it's also an opinion. And if you word it right you can get away with it.
Pyramid*
03-11-2011, 08:57 PM
IF they joined...you could not directly insult them. As it would be an insult to other members...
You could post/start a thread about their involvement with BB and say they were a knob. But if they were posting, you could not say TO them that they are a knob.
Its a very grey area, I have to admit, but you need to separate the poster from the housemate...
i think the confusion is what you have clarified here: from earlier posts it came across as it being okay to discuss a member on another thread by saying "I think x/y/z is a dick".
Pyramid*
03-11-2011, 08:58 PM
But it's also an opinion. And if you word it right you can get away with it.
No it's not - and you will see that from what Vicky also wrote. Opinions on other members have to be respectful and not rude. ;)
Vicky.
03-11-2011, 08:58 PM
i think the confusion is what you have clarified here: from earlier posts it came across as it being okay to discuss a member on another thread by saying "I think x/y/z is a dick".
You can discuss them in relations to BB...and say what you really think about them. If that so happened to be the opinion that you dislike them and think they are a dick, then so be it.
But you cannot insult them directly as a member.
Is that a better way of wording it? I know what i mean but I may be putting it across wrong :tongue:
InOne
03-11-2011, 08:59 PM
No it's not - and you will see that from what Vicky also wrote. Opinions on other members have to be respectful and not rude. ;)
Not rude if they're true though :idc:
We'd call it "blunt"
Pyramid*
03-11-2011, 09:00 PM
You can discuss them in relations to BB...and say what you think about them.
But you cannot insult them as a member.
Is that a better way of wording it? I know what i mean but I may be putting it across wrong :tongue:
PMSL. I know what you meant - but I think you know it also came across the other way too..... which is where I think we all got confused!
Bliddy nora, this reminds me of SOAP !!
Not rude if they're true though :idc:
We'd call it "blunt"
True in who's mind though? If you feel the need to insult to extremes and think you can get away with it, then maybe it's best to take that bluntness to PM instead of the forum itself, and see where the other poster wishes to go to from there with said posts.
Pyramid*
03-11-2011, 09:03 PM
Not rude if they're true though :idc:
We'd call it "blunt"
Rude is rude. Whether true or not. And being rude happens to be against the forum rules. :spin:
Vicky.
03-11-2011, 09:03 PM
I may split the posts debating the rules...into a separate thread. As if David does come back and sees all this it may scare him off, plus its all gone a bit offtopic now :laugh:
You can discuss them in relations to BB...and say what you think about them.
But you cannot insult them as a member.
Is that a better way of wording it? I know what i mean but I may be putting it across wrong :tongue:
I understand what you're saying but the problem is that this year the insulting of H.M's has extended to their families..if I started a thread saying 'Vicky's a b*tch' it would be the same as saying you are a b*tch in a post...I don't think personally it makes any difference if you were related to someone in BB..I'd still be insulting you..not them. Because some family members are also forum members I think we have to treat them as one or the other...either fair game...or members..
I may split the posts debating the rules...into a separate thread. As if David does come back and sees all this it may scare him off, plus its all gone a bit offtopic now :laugh:
Great idea :) I think this thread was better as a positive thread :)
Pyramid*
03-11-2011, 09:04 PM
I may split the posts debating the rules...into a separate thread. As if David does come back and sees all this it may scare him off, plus its all gone a bit offtopic now :laugh:
sounds a good shout!
We want David back please!
Vicky.
03-11-2011, 09:08 PM
I understand what you're saying but the problem is that this year the insulting of H.M's has extended to their families..if I started a thread saying 'Vicky's a b*tch' it would be the same as saying you are a b*tch in a post...I don't think personally it makes any difference if you were related to someone in BB..I'd still be insulting you..not them. Because some family members are also forum members I think we have to treat them as one or the other...either fair game...or members..
But it does. if my sister was in BB, and I had to give nominations etc. and give opinions on the show, it would be expected that some would have a negative opinion on me.
But if I had been involved in the show, then came back on here and everyone just insulted me everytime I posted...I think thats very different.
Whereas if someone just randomly started a thread right now calling me a bitch(which has happened once or twice anyways :joker: ), it would be entirely different
BigBrotherfan4ever
03-11-2011, 09:09 PM
I may split the posts debating the rules...into a separate thread. As if David does come back and sees all this it may scare him off, plus its all gone a bit offtopic now :laugh:
I think you should Vicky.
But it does. if my sister was in BB, and I had to give nominations etc. and give opinions on the show, it would be expected that some would have a negative opinion on me.
But if I had been involved in the show, then came back on here and everyone just insulted me everytime I posted...I think thats very different.
Whereas if someone just randomly started a thread right now calling me a bitch(which has happened once or twice anyways :joker: ), it would be entirely different
...just start a new thread calling them a dick.......:hugesmile:
I think it's all very relevant . As for being scared off.....that wasn't down to the motely crew ;) debating on the final pages here :p
Vicky.
03-11-2011, 09:16 PM
...just start a new thread calling them a dick.......:hugesmile:
I think most know that this isnt quite what I meant D:
(Unless this is another joke that has gone over my head :p)
I think most know that this isnt quite what I meant D:
(Unless this is another joke that has gone over my head :p)
...LOL..either you're ducking or I'm aiming way to high......
Bluerang1
03-11-2011, 09:24 PM
OK... confused now :puzzled:
Are we saying now that relatives who have actively engaged in the media (and therefore the show) are fair game to be attacked and ridiculed, as they have been, while any relative who signs up here, but otherwise fits that description, isn't?
Or are we saying that no one that isn't a HM should be made a target on a personal level, because they are all real people that aren't in the competition (which I personally prefer).
Mods here have supported and posted in threads that were attacking non HMs (even necroing them once they were long dead) and so that sent the message to me that all relatives/ friends of HMs were ok to talk about.... Not criticising those mods, just saying that the message is confused and I would like to know so I don't get banned for accidently doing the wrong thing :/
It's getting very muddy tbh... Can we clarify once and for all?
:worship:
Hahaa,, but also "not all negative comments are insults", explain all my infractions then?
Cromwell1900
03-11-2011, 09:38 PM
I think i get this.
If David is present then you are insulting a Tibb member
If he is not present you are insulting a Hm's family member.
Hence you can insult him in another thread but not in his own.
Am i warm?
I think i get this.
If David is present then you are insulting a Tibb member
If he is not present you are insulting a Hm's family member.
Hence you can insult him in another thread but not in his own.
Am i warm?
...I think so...we can b*tch behind his back but not to his face...
Vicky.
03-11-2011, 09:42 PM
I think i get this.
If David is present then you are insulting a Tibb member
If he is not present you are insulting a Hm's family member.
Hence you can insult him in another thread but not in his own.
Am i warm?
Pretty much yeah.
Treat david the forum member, as another forum member. And David the family member connected with BB, as a family member connected with BB...ie. you can say pretty much whatever you like about him(within reason), but not to him
Vicky.
03-11-2011, 09:45 PM
:worship:
Hahaa,, but also "not all negative comments are insults", explain all my infractions then?
What do you mean 'all' your infractions. You got one infraction in that thread because you directly insulted Aarons brother (and followed it up with I wanna see if I get an infraction for this, so you knew you were in the wrong)
Your other infractions...if you have a problem with them or want to question them, please use the private appeals section...
Pyramid*
03-11-2011, 09:46 PM
I think i get this.
If David is present then you are insulting a Tibb member
If he is not present you are insulting a Hm's family member.
Hence you can insult him in another thread but not in his own.
Am i warm?
Well if that IS the case - there's something far wrong with the rules of the forum then....
It's either acceptable to insult a member or not -it shouldn't matter if it's done directly to them - or done whilst on another thread. An insult to another forum member is still an insult - regardless of where it is taking place on the forum.
Time this was clarified once and for all.
Vicky.
03-11-2011, 09:48 PM
Well if that IS the case - there's something far wrong with the rules of the forum then....
It's either acceptable to insult a member or not -it shouldn't matter if it's done directly to them - or done whilst on another thread. An insult to another forum member is still an insult - regardless of where it is taking place on the forum.
Time this was clarified once and for all.
It is not acceptable to insult a member.
But we cannot stop people having negative opinions on people who have been on/connected with the actual show. We cant say just because said person has signed up that all of a sudden people are not allowed to post negative things about them.
However I think its fairly reasonable to say that people cannot directly insult the member in question.
Pyramid*
03-11-2011, 09:49 PM
Pretty much yeah.
Treat david the forum member, as another forum member. And David the family member connected with BB, as a family member connected with BB...ie. you can say pretty much whatever you like about him(within reason), but not to him
hang on. So if a member on here is getting ripped to bits and insulted on a thread that they are not participating in: you are saying that that is acceptable.?
A member is a member. Regardless. Insults should not be allowed against another forum member at ALL... regardless of context, whereabouts etc.
An insult is an insult - regardless if the person is connected to a housemate.
Vicky.
03-11-2011, 09:49 PM
hang on. So if a member on here is getting ripped to bits and insulted on a thread that they are not participating in: you are saying that that is acceptable.?
A member is a member. Regardless. Insults should not be allowed against another forum member at ALL... regardless of context, whereabouts etc.
An insult is an insult - regardless if the person is connected to a housemate.
Read my above post...
Pyramid*
03-11-2011, 09:51 PM
It is not acceptable to insult a member.
But we cannot stop people having negative opinions on people who have been on/connected with the actual show. We cant say just because said person has signed up that all of a sudden people are not allowed to post negative things about them.
However I think its fairly reasonable to say that people cannot directly insult the member in question.
David 'the family member' is still a member of this forum Vicky. So regardless of whether he is being addressed as David, or as David the family member: that does not mean he is any less of a forum member - regardless of what hat he wears.
Fine for the hmate to be insulted: but not the member - regardless of their status.
Vicky.
03-11-2011, 09:51 PM
OK, lets look at it another way.
Jay comes out of the house and signs up. Yet people are still talking about his time in the house/what he got up to. Do you think we should stop people making negative comments on him just because he is now a member? Of course not, as he WAS a housemate and a main talking point.
But at the same time, its not ok...if he made a thread introducing himself...for people to swamp the thread with 'you are such a dickhead' etc.
Pyramid*
03-11-2011, 09:52 PM
Read my above post...
It's the post 'below' (due to my settings).
see my last post.
A member is that. Regardless.
No member, regardless of what 'hat' they are wearing should expect to be insulted.
A direct insult is attacking someone in a personal, derogatory manor; its classed as flaming : hostile and insulting interaction between Internet users, or against internet users
A negative post is different; in as much as it should amount to maintaining a modicum of politeness ...which doesn't need to contain any support ...but merely you're thoughts and opines on the subject/person, no matter how emotive or strongly worded. It is down to your tone and the way you pose you're questions- as opposed to merely making vitriolic comments.
Pyramid*
03-11-2011, 09:55 PM
OK, lets look at it another way.
Jay comes out of the house and signs up. Yet people are still talking about his time in the house/what he got up to. Do you think we should stop people making negative comments on him just because he is now a member? Of course not, as he WAS a housemate and a main talking point.
But at the same time, its not ok...if he made a thread introducing himself...for people to swamp the thread with 'you are such a dickhead' etc.
that's a completly different set of circumstances though. Completely different altogether. Yes we can say retrospectively what we thought of them in the house, but not then currently, with them as a member, say "You are dick".
We aren't talking about that. We are talking about a current member - and you saying that it's okay to describe that member currently as being a dick - that's how this is being perceived - that it's okay to do that as long as you don't do it to their face, (ie: on another thread).
I understand "David, when you were nasty to Fayes mum, you were being dick" - vs "David, you are a dick" (present tense) - but you saying its fine to say it on another thread, as long as it's not said TO them -that that is okay..... that's wrong.
G1dds
03-11-2011, 09:55 PM
Its an ol' case of "I say tomARto, you say tomAto"
Its all as clear as mud, 'onest !
G1dds
03-11-2011, 09:57 PM
tbh, I think its worse to be able to start a thread with "I think X is a d*ck" than if a member stated it to them :shocked:
Vicky.
03-11-2011, 09:59 PM
that's a completly different set of circumstances though. Completely different altogether. Yes we can say retrospectively what we thought of them in the house, but not then currently, with them as a member, say "You are dick".
We aren't talking about that. We are talking about a current member - and you saying that it's okay to describe that member currently as being a dick - that's how this is being perceived - that it's okay to do that as long as you don't do it to their face, (ie: on another thread).
I understand "David, when you were nasty to Fayes mum, you were being dick" - vs "David, you are a dick" (present tense) - but you saying its fine to say it on another thread, as long as it's not said TO them -that that is okay..... that's wrong.
I'm really confused as to what your point is to be honest.
I never said the bit in bold AT ALL.
I am not saying it is ok to insult them on another thread...I'm saying it is ok to continue to have a negative opinion(and if said opinion is that they were a dick, then so be it), and voice that opinion, regardless of if the person in question is a member or not. But it would not be ok to say to him that he is a dick :S
billy123
03-11-2011, 10:00 PM
You can tell were looking at the most pathetic series in the history of big brother when this is the topic of conversation.
Are people so bored they need to nitpick to this degree?
Pyramid*
03-11-2011, 10:01 PM
I think i get this.
If David is present then you are insulting a Tibb member
If he is not present you are insulting a Hm's family member.
Hence you can insult him in another thread but not in his own.
Am i warm?
Pretty much yeah.
Treat david the forum member, as another forum member. And David the family member connected with BB, as a family member connected with BB...ie. you can say pretty much whatever you like about him(within reason), but not to him
I'm really confused as to what your point is to be honest.
I never said the bit in bold AT ALL.
I am not saying it is ok to insult them on another thread...I'm saying it is ok to continue to have a negative opinion(and if said opinion is that they were a dick, then so be it), and voice that opinion, regardless of if the person in question is a member or not. But it would not be ok to say to him that he is a dick :S
See above, you said "Yeah pretty much" in agreement with Cromwell's post which said exactly that.
You can tell were looking at the most pathetic series in the history of big brother when this is the topic of conversation.
Are people so bored they need to nitpick to this degree?
We are not nitpicking. We are having an intelligent debate to try and sort out some earlier confusion. If you're bored..go to bed ..or something
See? That was an example of speaking my mind in a negative fashion....instead of telling bobnot to go forth and multiply and stop being a **** ;)
ChristmasNeeve
03-11-2011, 10:04 PM
You can tell were looking at the most pathetic series in the history of big brother when this is the topic of conversation.
Are people so bored they need to nitpick to this degree?
This.
Vicky has tried to explain it as best she can, it would be an unusual situation so the rules can't be as clear cut as some people are demanding.
Pyramid*
03-11-2011, 10:04 PM
You can tell were looking at the most pathetic series in the history of big brother when this is the topic of conversation.
Are people so bored they need to nitpick to this degree?
Putting it simply bobnot: there appears to be very very unclear rules on the forum about if, when, where, and how members can or cannot be insulted.
given that failing to abide by the rules of the forum results in infractions, and bans, this is far from nitpicking: but I'd say a very important matter that needs to be clarified - as if members don't know how rules are enforced, how are they meant to know when they are breaking them?
G1dds
03-11-2011, 10:04 PM
We are not nitpicking. We are having an intelligent debate to try and sort out some earlier confusion. If you're bored..go to bed ..or something
See? That was an example of speaking my mind in a negative fashion....instead of telling bobnot to go forth and multiply and stop being a **** ;)
:joker:
Pyramid*
03-11-2011, 10:05 PM
We are not nitpicking. We are having an intelligent debate to try and sort out some earlier confusion. If you're bored..go to bed ..or something
See? That was an example of speaking my mind in a negative fashion....instead of telling bobnot to go forth and multiply and stop being a **** ;)
:laugh2:
Vicky.
03-11-2011, 10:08 PM
See above, you said "Yeah pretty much" in agreement with Cromwell's post which said exactly that.
OK that came across totally wrong then..
Lets have more hypothetical situations.
There is a long running thread in which many members have said XXXX is an arsehole because on his behavior in the house. XXXX then joins the forum.
We cannot expect people who have a negative opinion on XXXX to stop posting said negative opinion just because he has joined the forum. Because besides being a member, he is also a housemate and a topic of conversation
XXXX is a member of the forum. Someone starts a thread on XXXXs time in the house and says they were a prick. This is fine, as it is an opinion on the show. Where saying to XXX that they are a prick, is not
XXXX makes a thread to introduce themselves. A member then answers this thread with 'you are such an arsehole'. This is not OK, because it is an insult to another forum member.
XXXX makes a thread saying they will answer FMS questions. A member asks 'why did you do this in the house, it came across a bit sh***y' would be fine. Whilst 'you were such a **** **** **** when you did this in the house, and you are still *** **** now' would not be
billy123
03-11-2011, 10:12 PM
Putting it simply bobnot: there appears to be very very unclear rules on the forum about if, when, where, and how members can or cannot be insulted.
given that failing to abide by the rules of the forum results in infractions, and bans, this is far from nitpicking: but I'd say a very important matter that needs to be clarified - as if members don't know how rules are enforced, how are they meant to know when they are breaking them?
I wouldnt know how about just not insulting people?
Then you will be reet! :)
Incensed
03-11-2011, 10:17 PM
I wouldnt know how about just not insulting people?
Then you will be reet! :)
I quite agree, bobnot!
thesheriff443
03-11-2011, 10:19 PM
treat members as you yourself want to be treated!,if you have to go down the gutter route then its clear for all to see in your post the type of person you really are!.
In the Drunk Tank
04-11-2011, 02:08 AM
You're saying you saw nothing wrong....yet it was stated that some posts were deleted, so others must have. I don't give a crapola about other threads, I simply felt inclined to voice what I felt in this one
Admittedly I hadn't followed the whole thread if I'm honest, I was just going by what I had seen and thought that the vast majority had been polite and friendly
InOne
04-11-2011, 02:25 AM
True in who's mind though? If you feel the need to insult to extremes and think you can get away with it, then maybe it's best to take that bluntness to PM instead of the forum itself, and see where the other poster wishes to go to from there with said posts.
Rude is rude. Whether true or not. And being rude happens to be against the forum rules. :spin:
It's all about perception at the end of the day. "Rude" or "Blunt" are subjective. :spin:
Pyramid*
04-11-2011, 02:38 AM
I wouldnt know how about just not insulting people?
Then you will be reet! :)
I quite agree, bobnot!
I'm 'all reet' bobnot and incensed.... I don't think I've ever had one infraction for insulting anyone - other things yes, but not for insulting people.
It's all about perception at the end of the day. "Rude" or "Blunt" are subjective. :spin:
Nope, it's very simple. Rude is rude. :spin:
Jords
04-11-2011, 02:40 AM
What the hell is this about? :joker:
psychtracker
04-11-2011, 02:41 AM
I didn't know there were any currently active ex-HMs on this forum for us to offend. :conf:
Jords
04-11-2011, 02:45 AM
I didn't know there were any currently active ex-HMs on this forum for us to offend. :conf:
Me too :L
Jords
04-11-2011, 02:45 AM
Although I know Freddie and Jonty have been on.
Pyramid*
04-11-2011, 02:55 AM
Seems James agrees....
(http://thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4714590&postcount=179)http://thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4714590&postcount=179
You know... you're meant to respect other forum members. It doesn't make a difference if they are related to housemates or not. I'm just saying.
(http://thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4714590&postcount=179)
InOne
04-11-2011, 02:59 AM
I'm 'all reet' bobnot and incensed.... I don't think I've ever had one infraction for insulting anyone - other things yes, but not for insulting people.
Nope, it's very simple. Rude is rude. :spin:
What is rude though? We're not even going by a context :joker: As I said before, it's perception.
Vicky.
04-11-2011, 02:59 AM
I didn't know there were any currently active ex-HMs on this forum for us to offend. :conf:
Marcus and Freddie are members as far as I am aware, though it has been a LONG time since they posted.
Aarons brother joined, this is the reason the rules about things like this have needed to be clarified (and I did a piss poor job of it to start with, couldnt find the right words at all :laugh: ) as some seemed to think it was fine to insult him(in his thread) as he was connected with the show.
Pyramid*
04-11-2011, 03:01 AM
What is rude though? We're not even going by a context :joker: As I said before, it's perception.
And quite simply - if a member is offended by another member's comment - the offending one by default, has been rude, rude enough to offend another person - by their perception, therefore they have been rude regardless of how 'the first one' perceived it.
InOne
04-11-2011, 03:10 AM
And quite simply - if a member is offended by another member's comment - the offending one by default, has been rude, rude enough to offend another person - by their perception, therefore they have been rude regardless of how 'the first one' perceived it.
Yeah but if you said in a post "I thought XXXX acted a dick on BOTS tonight" That's not an insult to them personally, just a comment on their behaviour, which we are allowed to comment on.
Pyramid*
04-11-2011, 03:26 AM
Yeah but if you said in a post "I thought XXXX acted a dick on BOTS tonight" That's not an insult to them personally, just a comment on their behaviour, which we are allowed to comment on.
That has not one single thing whatsoever to do with what we are all talking about. We are discussing people who are forum members, and making such comment to them or about them....which is not allowed. :xyxwave:
InOne
04-11-2011, 03:27 AM
That has not one single thing whatsoever to do with what we are all talking about. We are discussing people who are forum members, and making such comment to them or about them....which is not allowed. :xyxwave:
You've been told enough times, seems you just don't quite get it :joker: You find problem and reason to complain out of nothing. Anyway, carry on, it's amusing.
psychtracker
04-11-2011, 03:33 AM
Marcus and Freddie are members as far as I am aware, though it has been a LONG time since they posted.
Aarons brother joined, this is the reason the rules about things like this have needed to be clarified (and I did a piss poor job of it to start with, couldnt find the right words at all :laugh: ) as some seemed to think it was fine to insult him(in his thread) as he was connected with the show.
Hmm..i understand where you're coming from, but i'm not sure if it's wise to attempt to set up a "Us vs Them", type of divide...gets confusing.
Vicky.
04-11-2011, 03:34 AM
Hmm..i understand where you're coming from, but i'm not sure if it's wise to attempt to set up a "Us vs Them", type of divide...gets confusing.
I'm not, I was just trying to explain how insulting other members(regardless of who the member is) is against the rules. And how it is a little different when it comes to housemates or people to do with the show...as obviously people will still discuss them as housemates, rather than think of them as members.
Pyramid*
04-11-2011, 03:37 AM
You've been told enough times, seems you just don't quite get it :joker: You find problem and reason to complain out of nothing. Anyway, carry on, it's amusing.
This thread is not about me. Please stay on topic.
Vicky.
04-11-2011, 03:38 AM
This thread is not about me. Please stay on topic.
Agreed.
Pyramid*
04-11-2011, 03:38 AM
I'm not, I was just trying to explain how insulting other members(regardless of who the member is) is against the rules. And how it is a little different when it comes to housemates or people to do with the show...as obviously people will still discuss them as housemates, rather than think of them as members.
How come thought James has said the opposite
You know... you're meant to respect other forum members. It doesn't make a difference if they are related to housemates or not. I'm just saying.
Edit; I'm meaning in the sense of a family member of a housemate who is a member. (not the scenario whereby an exhm is a member and discussions are surrounding their behaviour in the house when they were in it)
Vicky.
04-11-2011, 03:39 AM
How come thought James has said the opposite
Ugh. I have been over this already.
You respect them as a member, by not insulting them or being abusive.
But you may still discuss them as housemates in a negative sense
Vicky.
04-11-2011, 03:41 AM
Edit; I'm meaning in the sense of a family member of a housemate who is a member. (not the scenario whereby an exhm is a member and discussions are surrounding their behaviour in the house when they were in it)
The edit totally lost me :S
Pyramid*
04-11-2011, 03:42 AM
Ugh. I have been over this already.
You respect them as a member, by not insulting them or being abusive.
But you may still discuss them as housemates in a negative sense
See my edit - I wasn't meaning about them as an ex- housemate. I'm talking about relatives of housemates being members. Not ex-hms - because I clearly understand the difference in discussing how they were in the house - before they became a member.
Pyramid*
04-11-2011, 03:43 AM
The edit totally lost me :S
sorry!
I'm referring back to the 'Aaron's brother' scenario.
Vicky.
04-11-2011, 03:47 AM
The family members have been actively involved in the show this year. So negative threads/posts are expected, same as with the housemates.
But this still doesnt excuse people insulting them as members.
psychtracker
04-11-2011, 04:04 AM
The family members have been actively involved in the show this year. So negative threads/posts are expected, same as with the housemates.
But this still doesnt excuse people insulting them as members.
So, you're allowed to start a thread eg. Aarons's brother is a douchebag for what he said on BOTS. But, not Vicky's a douchebag for what she said about Jay on this forum.
Pyramid*
04-11-2011, 04:14 AM
The family members have been actively involved in the show this year. So negative threads/posts are expected, same as with the housemates.
But this still doesnt excuse people insulting them as members.
I'd say that as soon as they become a member - they should be afforded the same rights towards the rules of the forum - as you have said - no insults - as any other member. And that includes being spoken about in anything less than a respecful way.
We aren't allowed to discuss any other members on a personal level on here if it's negative- Ie: comments designed to discuss me for example, should not be regarded any differently because the member has been actively involved in the show. Sure, fine to disagree and say we think they are wrong, but not to discuss them as such. That's not acceptable for any other forum member and I'm not sure why speaking negatively about any forum member, regardless: should be acceptable.
I wouldn't personally call it 'nitpicking' if members are stating it would be easier to remove all element of doubt...to say you can say this...but you can't say that....you can do it on this thread...but not that one...you can say it in this way...but you can't say it in thay way....leaves it all open for an individuals interpretation...it's nitpicking if it's not really of any consequence, but as has been pointed out..it could result in a member being banned..when in fact they misunderstood...it also gives some members lesser rights than others because of their relatives.
If there was a definitive rule, either 'fair game' or 'member rules apply' then there would be no confusion and anyone breaking that rule would know they are doing it.
It's always easier to give a 'black or white' rule..rather than leave a lot of grey areas...because people will innocently step into those grey areas..it's inevitable
fruit_cake
04-11-2011, 08:39 AM
in my view the rules are pretty obvious, and the mod team do their best and normally get it right. If you don't like the rules, don't post. It's rather bad manners to go around to someone else's house and start telling them how to run it, imo
Admittedly I hadn't followed the whole thread if I'm honest, I was just going by what I had seen and thought that the vast majority had been polite and friendly
I understand MTVN - but please allow me to explain my reaction?
What exacerbated the confusion further was your post in reference to my own; albeit not your intention, it looked, on the surface, as though your sentiments, at worst - were in favour of the rabble rousers, and at the very least - encouraging them. We now know this was not the case, but we can only go by how people express themselves here and it was a simple matter of miss-communication ;)
In the Drunk Tank
04-11-2011, 10:17 AM
I wouldn't personally call it 'nitpicking' if members are stating it would be easier to remove all element of doubt...to say you can say this...but you can't say that....you can do it on this thread...but not that one...you can say it in this way...but you can't say it in thay way....leaves it all open for an individuals interpretation...it's nitpicking if it's not really of any consequence, but as has been pointed out..it could result in a member being banned..when in fact they misunderstood...it also gives some members lesser rights than others because of their relatives.
If there was a definitive rule, either 'fair game' or 'member rules apply' then there would be no confusion and anyone breaking that rule would know they are doing it.
It's always easier to give a 'black or white' rule..rather than leave a lot of grey areas...because people will innocently step into those grey areas..it's inevitable
But surely you can appreciate the problem this give us; if we say it's fine to insult housemates but not to insult members then what do we do when a house mate becomes a member? We can't just say no insulting housemates on the off-chance that one of them might sign up to the forum and similarly we can't just say it's fine to insult members on this basis. There can't be a black and white rule because it isn't a black or white situation, there needs to be some kind of a compromise, some kind of a middle ground.
I would hope that people could create some kind of a distinction between them as a forum member and them as a house mate; if they are being discussed in the context of the latter, and in the context of their time in the house, then it is fair to post negative, even insulting, comments because that is part and parcel of appearing on Big Brother.
In the Drunk Tank
04-11-2011, 10:18 AM
I understand MTVN - but please allow me to explain my reaction?
What exacerbated the confusion further was your post in reference to my own; albeit not your intention, it looked, on the surface, as though your sentiments, at worst - were in favour of the rabble rousers, and at the very least - encouraging them. We now know this was not the case, but we can only go by how people express themselves here and it was a simple matter of miss-communication ;)
Ok that's understandable, apologies.
Ok that's understandable, apologies.
*smiles*
Absolutely no apology needed...but thank you for doing so. Its a very decent gesture and shows you to be the genuine person you are
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