Jimmy Savile: New Report Claims He Performed Sex Acts On Dead Bodies

[Pyramid*]

Huh. I'm asking which of these options do you believe to be true? No need to read back I'm trying to get you to actually make a point regarding your stance on this matter. Why do you keep mentioning the nurses who covered it up? Do you think they are actually guilty of a crime? You're the one who needs to read back.

I will redirect you to post 481. I've already stated a possible discussion point regarding what you are asking.

[Vanessa]

quite some difference in the totals - ranging from 20 to hundreds to thousands having taken into account some of the comments regarding the numbers invovled (throughout the thread).


Girth: the point I am focusing on is those, (by your own admission) that there will ''Obviously be some embellishment''..... for whatever reason.

That is the very thing that is likely to damage this investigation - and tarnish it. I do believe there may indeed may be something untoward: but the more embellishment that is taking place; the more harmful that may be to any truth behind all of this and will suffice in only damaging the investigations - THAT is my very point.

i agree wit that. People need to let the police handle it. And the papers aren't helping either.

[Pyramid*]

I think there's some truth to the allegations. Police say that there could be between 20/25 victims. All young teenage girls. :(


I do too, but to what degree, to what level of seriousness, and how accurate the memory may be after 'x' amount of years, as well as the possible weight on 'allegations being made and type' - I'm very aware that those factors may also have an effect on what these people may be remembering for 30/40 years ago when they were children.

[GiRTh]

quite some difference in the totals - ranging from 20 to hundreds to thousands having taken into account some of the comments regarding the numbers invovled (throughout the thread).


Girth: the point I am focusing on is those, (by your own admission) that there will ''Obviously be some embellishment''..... for whatever reason.

That is the very thing that is likely to damage this investigation - and tarnish it. I do believe there may indeed may be something untoward: but the more embellishment that is taking place; the more harmful that may be to any truth behind all of this and will suffice in only damaging the investigations - THAT is my very point.I've always said 30 so I've no idea what you're on about here. Direct your post to the person you're referring to but you'll find - if you read back - that I have always said 30.

[Kizzy]

Try reading back a few posts Girth.

Where is the proof that these nurses were instrumental in some cover up merely to secure funding?
Without evidence your comments are as invaid as girths hoax imo.

[Pyramid*]

i agree wit that. People need to let the police handle it. And the papers aren't helping either.

That is exactly how I feel about it. The media are not helping. The gossip mongers are not helping.

Let this be investigated fully and in entirety - with only the hard facts with evidence being presented before people find others guilty - it's trial by media, by people with nothing better to do, with people with grudges against the man / the BBC or a.n. other organisations.

[GiRTh]

I will redirect you to post 481. I've already stated a possible discussion point regarding what you are asking.In post 481 you mention perverting the course of justice. How does someone pervert the course of justice if no one has been accused of a crime?

[Pyramid*]

Where is the proof that these nurses were instrumental in some cover up merely to secure funding?
Without evidence your comments are as invaid as girths hoax imo.

If you look back Kizzy you will find that I posed my thoughts as a question: not as factual.

It's a point for discussion: I did not take it as being absolute.

[Pyramid*]

In post 481 you mention perverting the course of justice. How does someone pervert the course of justice if no one has been accused of a crime?

By being aware of what these supposely nurses are allegedly stating as reported in the media: that they were aware of what JS was doing and of the crime/s / abuse he was alleging committing that they claim they were aware of : to the point that they are now declaring they knew about this type of behaviour from him .

I'd have thought that was perfectly transparent tbh.

[Pyramid*]

I've always said 30 so I've no idea what you're on about here. Direct your post to the person you're referring to but you'll find - if you read back - that I have always said 30.

Read back on my post re this.

I also quoted another poster as well as your comment...... Cassieparis has earlier quoted 'thousands'.... the media a few days ago was quoting 'hundreds'.

if you've been following the thread from the beginning; you will have known that.

[GiRTh]

By being aware of what these supposely nurses are allegedly stating as reported in the media: that they were aware of what JS was doing and of the crime/s / abuse he was alleging committing that they claim they were aware of : to the point that they are now declaring they knew about this type of behaviour from him .

I'd have thought that was perfectly transparent tbh.You might want to rephrase the first bit. It makes no sense what so ever. I think when you write alleging you actually mean alleged or allegedly.:spin:

[Omah]

I do believe there may indeed may be something untoward.

Really?

:rolleyes:

[Kizzy]

I do too, but to what degree, to what level of seriousness, and how accurate the memory may be after 'x' amount of years, as well as the possible weight on 'allegations being made and type' - I'm very aware that those factors may also have an effect on what these people may be remembering for 30/40 years ago when they were children.
I would hope this is dealt with great seriousness.
I was a long time ago yes, but if you could try to envisage what it would be like to be assaulted as a child you may begin to understand it is not something you are likely to forget or ever fades from your memory.

[Vanessa]

By being aware of what these supposely nurses are allegedly stating as reported in the media: that they were aware of what JS was doing and of the crime/s / abuse he was alleging committing that they claim they were aware of : to the point that they are now declaring they knew about this type of behaviour from him .

I'd have thought that was perfectly transparent tbh.

It looks like the bbc is also guilty of this. I can't believe that no one working there noticed anything. Someone surely saw something?

[GiRTh]

Read back on my post re this.

I also quoted another poster as well as your comment...... Cassieparis has earlier quoted 'thousands'.... the media a few days ago was quoting 'hundreds'.

if you've been following the thread from the beginning; you will have known that.Refer your comment to the poster but in the post I'm referring to you directly mention me. Don't specifically put my name in a post then tell me to read the whole thread. I'm responding to your post directly please respond to mine directly. In all of my posts I've said 30 if that is not the case then please point out the discrepancy.

[Niamh.]

I would hope this is dealt with great seriousness.
I was a long time ago yes, but if you could try to envisage what it would be like to be assaulted as a child you may begin to understand it is not something you are likely to forget or ever fades from your memory.

There's definitely truth in this which is why I have no sympathy at all for him, he deserves all the bad press and jokes at his expense that he gets. I have no sympathy for paedophiles

[Kizzy]

By being aware of what these supposely nurses are allegedly stating as reported in the media: that they were aware of what JS was doing and of the crime/s / abuse he was alleging committing that they claim they were aware of : to the point that they are now declaring they knew about this type of behaviour from him .

I'd have thought that was perfectly transparent tbh.
Transparent?

supposedly... allegedly, this hypothetical of yours is getting more and more confusing pyra.
It's as clear as mud what you are trying to accuse the nursing staff of...
We could all throw a load of what ifs in the mix, I thought we were more interested in the truth and facts though?

[Pyramid*]

You might want to rephrase the first bit. It makes no sense what so ever. I think when you write alleging you actually mean alleged or allegedly.:spin:

Nah, I think it is more than clear what I meant, if you want to pick up on spelling errors as the best you can do to strengthen your own argument: be my guest, I'm more interested in the story that of daft errors on a keyboard.



Really?

:rolleyes:

Yes, really. And I'm able to discuss that without the use of sarcastic smileys.

I would hope this is dealt with great seriousness.
I was a long time ago yes, but if you could try to envisage what it would be like to be assaulted as a child you may begin to understand it is not something you are likely to forget or ever fades from your memory.


Absolutely agree with you there: it SHOULD be dealt with in all seriousness: yes, it was a long time ago, but given the 'amount of people who were in the know' (supposedly) - there appears to be enough to be looking at that would allow a full investigation to be conducted with evidence - that's all I think is needed - rather than 'people' all over the place jumping the gun.

I'm also conscious that some may recall things exactly: as much as I am aware that memories may be distorted (and subsequently) be affected by what is now being reported: I'm trying to be very balanced but it is something that needs investigated properly, without bias - and I am glad that both the Police and the BBC are now doing so. Let this be done in the correct manner....that's all I'm alluding to. I don't believe that all this 'trial by media, and taking what every person is saying as gospel' is ever going to help a fair investigation.


It looks like the bbc is also guilty of this. I can't believe that no one working there noticed anything. Someone surely saw something?

That's what I struggle with - and if there HAS / WAS any cover up / deliberate pushing aside; then those persons too, imo, should also be held accountable. If there were people who were (proven) to have known what was going on: then they too (imo) have a degree of 'guilt' and something to answer to also. There are more than any possible victims here: there is the possibility that people 'hid' what was going on: and that could have prevented decade of further abuse continuing: IF there is truth to any of this.

[GiRTh]

Even after correcting the spelling errors it makes no sense. Turning a blind eye is not the same as perverting the course of justice - Your words BTW. Would you like to rephrase your first post?

[Vanessa]

Nah, I think it is more than clear what I meant, if you want to pick up on spelling errors as the best you can do to strengthen your own argument: be my guest, I'm more interested in the story that of daft errors on a keyboard.





Yes, really. And I'm able to discuss that without the use of sarcastic smileys.




Absolutely agree with you there: it SHOULD be dealt with in all seriousness: yes, it was a long time ago, but given the 'amount of people who were in the know' (supposedly) - there appears to be enough to be looking at that would allow a full investigation to be conducted with evidence - that's all I think is needed - rather than 'people' all over the place jumping the gun.

I'm also conscious that some may recall things exactly: as much as I am aware that memories may be distorted (and subsequently) be affected by what is now being reported: I'm trying to be very balanced but it is something that needs investigated properly, without bias - and I am glad that both the Police and the BBC are now doing so. Let this be done in the correct manner....that's all I'm alluding to. I don't believe that all this 'trial by media, and taking what every person is saying as gospel' is ever going to help a fair investigation.




That's what I struggle with - and if there HAS / WAS any cover up / deliberate pushing aside; then those persons too, imo, should also be held accountable. If there were people who were (proven) to have known what was going on: then they too (imo) have a degree of 'guilt' and something to answer to also. There are more than any possible victims here: there is the possibility that people 'hid' what was going on: and that could have prevented decade of further abuse continuing: IF there is truth to any of this.

I couldn't agree more, Pyra. I think he could have been stopped before, but instead it's been covered up. It makes me so mad! :mad:

[Pyramid*]

There's definitely truth in this which is why I have no sympathy at all for him, he deserves all the bad press and jokes at his expense that he gets. I have no sympathy for paedophiles

Neither do I but I also believe in avoidance of trial by media.

Transparent?

supposedly... allegedly, this hypothetical of yours is getting more and more confusing pyra.
It's as clear as mud what you are trying to accuse the nursing staff of...
We could all throw a load of what ifs in the mix, I thought we were more interested in the truth and facts though?

Cannot see what is confusing.

I'm not prepared to 'hang a dead man' based on people based on heresay only.

you say 'I thought we were more intrested in the truth and facts'.

If you show me hard evidence of unrefuted truth and facts, I'll be more than happy to discuss. Proven and unrefued truth and fact......

[Pyramid*]

Even after correcting the spelling errors it makes no sense. Turning a blind eye is not the same as perverting the course of justice - Your words BTW. Would you like to rephrase your first post?

according to you then, turning a blind eye to child abuse is acceptable.

Interesting theory, not one I happen to agree with. Especially when it concerns child abuse.

[GiRTh]

according to you then, turning a blind eye to child abuse is acceptable.

Interesting theory, not one I happen to agree with. Especially when it concerns child abuse.No No no. Nice try. I never said anything was acceptable. Its your turn to read back.

Turning a blind eye to a crime is not and will never be the same as perverting the course of justice. Again, it was you who bought this phrase into the discussion.

[Kizzy]

Hmmm, you condem trial by media and yet have acted as judge, juror and executioner for the nurses in Stoke?
Seems a tad contradictory to me. The police from many forces up and down the country have i'm sure many victim and witness statements, it is an unusual case but an important one for many.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*
I do believe there may indeed may be something untoward .

Really?

:rolleyes:

Yes, really. And I'm able to discuss that without the use of sarcastic smileys.

IMO, the use of the phrase "something untoward" to refer to alleged serial sex crimes against children required a laconic response ..... :idc:

[joeysteele]

I would hope this is dealt with great seriousness.
I was a long time ago yes, but if you could try to envisage what it would be like to be assaulted as a child you may begin to understand it is not something you are likely to forget or ever fades from your memory.

This really,have to agree with you on this one, whatever comes of this investigation finally, assault/abuse as a child is unlikely to fade from memory I agree.

I still doubt the whole figures being stated as to how many he allegedly abused but I do now believe there is substance to a good number of the allegations.

[Omah]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travelnews/9601081/Cunard-abandons-Jimmy-Savile-sail-by-tribute.html

Savile, who has been the subject of numerous allegations of child abuse following the airing of an ITV documentary last week, was a regular passenger on Cunard’s ships.

He travelled on board the Queen Elizabeth on its first voyage around Britain in September last year, the month before he died, and was at the ceremony when the Queen named the ship in 2010.

He also greeted the QE2, Cunard’s former flagship, in a fishing boat off the coast of Yorkshire, on one of its final sailings in 2008 before it was retired to Dubai.

In January, the cruise line announced that its Queen Elizabeth ship would conduct a sail-by of Savile’s burial site in Scarborough on the North Sea coast next summer.

However, since the ITV programme was broadcast, the company has since withdrawn the event from its schedule.

Also :

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/at-a-glance/main-section/an-end-to-the-jimmy-savile-legacy-updated-1-5004777

The legacy of Jimmy Savile was today further obliterated after his name was removed from a conference centre, Saviles Hall at the Royal Armouries in Leeds.

No suspicion of doubt, there, then ..... :idc:

[Omah]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9601922/Sir-Jimmy-Savile-fourth-British-TV-personality-accused-in-sex-allegations.html

The abuse scandal has now spread to the late star’s home town of Scarborough after a woman came forward claiming she was assaulted by him there in the 1980s.

The woman who was a teenager at the time of the alleged assault reported the incident to North Yorkshire police as the string of claims against the late TV star continued to grow.

It is the first allegation to be made connected to the town closely associated with Sir Jimmy and where he was buried following his death in October last year.

It is thought that the woman, who now lives in the Midlands, had been on holiday in Scarborough at the time of the alleged offence.

A spokesman for North Yorkshire police said: “The offence involving a young girl is alleged to have taken place in Scarborough in the late-1980s.

“This is the first report received by the force in connection with the enquiry and it has been referred to the Metropolitan Police Service who are co-ordinating the investigation.”



:idc:

[Omah]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/sir-jimmy-savile-family-consider-1372123


Relatives of Jimmy Savile are considering exhuming his body from the Yorkshire cemetery where the sex fiend was buried for fear that his grave could be attacked.

The shamed TV star – swamped with allegations of rape and sexually abusing children – may be cremated or moved to a secret location if his family decide to take the drastic action.

A source close to relatives last night told the Mirror they were thinking about moving his body from Woodlands Cemetery – after Savile’s gravestone was dug up yesterday to be smashed to pieces.

His family said they wanted to ensure the “dignity and sanctity” of the cemetery in Scarborough, North Yorkshire, fearing that angry mobs could descend on the quiet memorial site.

Yesterday officials confirmed it was possible to move a grave in specific circumstances, with the approval of the family or a coroner.

The process would require a licence to be granted by the Ministry of Justice and officials would be present on behalf of the Environmental Health department.

However, one official revealed that moving Savile’s grave would be made more difficult because his coffin was encased in concrete – for fear of grave robbers attempting to steal from the late DJ.

It is widely believed Savile, a renowned fan of expensive jewellery and ornaments, may have been buried wearing some of his trademark gold pieces.

[Kizzy]

Ok... Too far.

[arista]

Yes JS
working as a Special Hospital Porter/Monster/Evil
Fundraiser

[CharlieO]

Can this all go away and we pretend he never existed, it is so creepy. like his face just its shudder worthy

[arista]

He is on BBC4 Top Of The Pops 1977

The BBC act slow


So he is Stuck on our TV.

[arista]

On man was doing a book on him
he started in 2004.

He spoke to Savile about Glitter
who was in bed with children/girls in asia, at that time.



He was amazed when savile said
"Did the Papers put them up to it
those dirty girls."


He had was not with it
in his sick head.



That was on Radio 5 breakfast.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2216224/Jimmy-Savile-Yet-known-British-TV-celebrity-accused-abusing-young-girl.html


I say Bruce Forsyth

[Me. I Am Salman]

Can't imagine how the family must feel right now :/

[Mrluvaluva]

With regards to the story regarding the abuse of the girl by Jimmy Saville in Leeds General infirmary, June Thornton, a former nurse there, has said she saw him 'molesting' a female patient with brain damage. Surely a nurse has a duty of care to her patients yet there is no record of a complaint ever being made as far as I am aware? There are therefore three possibilities. Either this has been covered up or it never happened. If neither of the latter then I am appalled nothing was ever reported by the witnesses and steps were not taken to stop this from happening again to someone else.

[Cherie]

With regards to the story regarding the abuse of the girl by Jimmy Saville in Leeds General infirmary, June Thornton, a former nurse there, has said she saw him 'molesting' a female patient with brain damage. Surely a nurse has a duty of care to her patients yet there is no record of a complaint ever being made as far as I am aware? There are therefore three possibilities. Either this has been covered up or it never happened. If neither of the latter then I am appalled nothing was ever reported by the witnesses and steps were not taken to stop this from happening again to someone else.

She was not a nurse!

June Thornton was herself a patient at Leeds General Hospital in 1972 when the alleged incident happened

I heard her interview on 5 live this morning, she thought at first that Savile was a relative as he came in and immediately went to the girl who was in a high back chair and seemed to have some sort of brain damage (it was a neurology ward), he then rubbed her arms and then started to fondle her, this lady regrets to this day not saying anything.

[CharlieO]

:yuk: :yuk: :yuk:

does this scare anyone else?

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/11/article-2215910-1572160F000005DC-199_634x532.jpg

[Cherie]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2216224/Jimmy-Savile-Yet-known-British-TV-celebrity-accused-abusing-young-girl.html


I say Bruce Forsyth

You know you can be held accountable for posts you make on a forum, lets hope Brucie sues you, that is an outrageous thing to say without any basis in fact.

[CharlieO]

You know you can be held accountable for posts you make on a forum, lets hope Brucie sues you, that is an outrageous thing to say without any basis in fact.

that is what people would say about JS until about 2 weeks ago though :conf:

[Saph]

He looks like a dirty creep ..i'm surprised no one suspected anything sooner :s


edit - jimmy not bruce

[Mrluvaluva]

She was not a nurse!

June Thornton was herself a patient at Leeds General Hospital in 1972 when the alleged incident happened



Well according to The Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9600816/Nurse-saw-Jimmy-Savile-abuse-disabled-patient.html) she was!

Quote: "June Thornton, a former nurse at Leeds General Infirmary, tells ITV1's Daybreak she saw Jimmy Savile 'molesting' a female patient with brain damage."

I see what you mean though from Sky (http://news.sky.com/story/995919/jimmy-savile-molested-brain-damaged-patient).

"Former nurse June Thornton was recovering from an operation at Leeds General Infirmary when she says she saw Savile abuse the young girl."

So the girl was not in her care at the time. The way it was reported was that she was. And I should think she regrets not saying anything.

[Cherie]

that is what people would say about JS until about 2 weeks ago though :conf:

That maybe be so, but you cant just bandy names around just because they were in TV the same time as Savile. Careless talk and all that.

[Cherie]

Well according to The Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9600816/Nurse-saw-Jimmy-Savile-abuse-disabled-patient.html) she was!

Quote: "June Thornton, a former nurse at Leeds General Infirmary, tells ITV1's Daybreak she saw Jimmy Savile 'molesting' a female patient with brain damage."

And Sky (http://news.sky.com/story/995919/jimmy-savile-molested-brain-damaged-patient).

And I should think she regrets not saying anything.

I felt sorry for her, I think it has affected her deeply. People like June should not be used as scapegoats though, the real colluders were his BBC bosses and colleagues, and to a degree the NHS management.

[Mrluvaluva]

[/B]

I felt sorry for her, I think it has affected her deeply. People like June should not be used as scapegoats though, the real colluders were his BBC bosses and colleagues, and to a degree the NHS management.

Nobody is using her as a scapegoat as such. Just the fact if everybody did not report such cases, then nothing will be done about them. And this is what has very likely happened here.

[Cherie]

Nobody is using her as a scapegoat as such. Just the fact if everybody did not report such cases, then nothing will be done about them. And this is what has very likely happened here.

Unfortunately the culture of the 60s and 70s in some areas was not to discuss such things, people would have been embarrassed and its likely unlike today that anything would have been done about it.

[Marcus.]

:yuk: :yuk: :yuk:

does this scare anyone else?

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/11/article-2215910-1572160F000005DC-199_634x532.jpg

Yess

[Mrluvaluva]

Unfortunately the culture of the 60s and 70s in some areas was not to discuss such things, people would have been embarrassed and its likely unlike today that anything would have been done about it.

That is an answer a lot of people give, and whatever way it's said, there is only one response to that. And that is it's wrong.

People know the difference between right and wrong but refuse to do anything about it, enabling the abuse to carry on and for further victims to be affected by it.

I don't buy the above as an excuse for this not being brought to the attention of the authorities. If nothing ever came of any allegations, at least they could say they had tried to do something about it.

[Omah]

As reported on BBC News

[Cherie]

That is an answer a lot of people give, and whatever way it's said, there is only one response to that. And that is it's wrong.

People know the difference between right and wrong but refuse to do anything about it, enabling the abuse to carry on and for further victims to be affected by it.

I don't buy the above as an excuse for this not being brought to the attention of the authorities. If nothing ever came of any allegations, at least they could say they had tried to do something about it.

You had to have been there. People in authority, doctors, policemen, teachers, christian brothers, clergymen, TV stars were all beyond reproach. Its not an excuse it was the way it was, the same way as single mothers were put into institutions in the 50s, nobody is saying it was right, maybe some people did speak out but their voices would have been shut down. Lets face it, these allegations were circulating in the 90s and even up to his death, nobody wanted to face the truth, even in this so called enlightened age.

[Sticks]

I have to declare an interest

I have personally met Mr Saville in the course of my duties when we were promoting In Town without your car day in 2003.

If any of these allegations were true, why were they not reported to the authorities when he was alive?

The way all these people are emerging out of the woodwork, when he is no longer around to defend himself seems suspicious. Could it be that some are seeking to cash in on the compensation culture?

Let us not forget that Mr Saville was investigated by the police in 2007 and they found no evidence

I will repeat that, no evidence

If that is the case in an era when many were brought down, like Gary Glitter and others, how come the police found no evidence if there was a shred of truth these things happened.

Remember, Innocens nisi probetur nocens

And also when these allegations surface, you should ask as, Mr Saville is no longer with us and able to defend himself, "Cui Bono"

[Omah]

http://www.scotsman.com/news/scottish-news/top-stories/highland-village-severs-ties-to-jimmy-savile-1-2568422



The community in Lochaber, adopted Highland home of Sir Jimmy Savile, has taken steps to sever links with the late star, in the wake of the sexual abuse claims made against him.

A hotel in Fort William has removed a plaque honouring Savile, and a marketing group have withdrawn an online video after it was the target of internet trolls, as allegations continue to mount against the broadcaster, who died in October 2011. Police are looking at 120 lines of inquiry, and investigating claims that the former Top of the Pops presenter abused as many as 30 girls, aged as young as 13.

The comedy video featured an interview with Savile, as well as sports personalities including stunt biker Danny MacAskill dressed up in tracksuits impersonating him, and had been hailed as a marketing coup for the area after going viral and receiving over 100,000 hits, prior to the scandal surrounding Savile. It was removed by the Outdoor Capital of the UK marketing group after becoming a target for abusive comments on YouTube over the past week, including one that referred to missing Welsh school girl April Jones.

The Fort William hotel has removed the sign on the door of its Jimmy Savile Suite, which had been named in his honour as it was the DJ’s room of choice when visiting, and are no longer referring to it by that name. A spokeswoman for owners Shearings Hotels said: “I think the removal speaks for itself so we won’t be making any comment.”

[Omah]

I have to declare an interest

I have personally met Mr Saville in the course of my duties when we were promoting In Town without your car day in 2003.

If any of these allegations were true, why were they not reported to the authorities when he was alive?

The way all these people are emerging out of the woodwork, when he is no longer around to defend himself seems suspicious. Could it be that some are seeking to cash in on the compensation culture?

Let us not forget that Mr Saville was investigated by the police in 2007 and they found no evidence

I will repeat that, no evidence

If that is the case in an era when many were brought down, like Gary Glitter and others, how come the police found no evidence if there was a shred of truth these things happened.

Remember, Innocens nisi probetur nocens

And also when these allegations surface, you should ask as, Mr Saville is no longer with us and able to defend himself, "Cui Bono"

I believe all of those issues have already been addressed in this thread, some very recently.

[Mrluvaluva]

You had to have been there. People in authority, doctors, policemen, teachers, christian brothers, clergymen, TV stars were all beyond reproach. Its not an excuse it was the way it was, the same way as single mothers were put into institutions in the 50s, nobody is saying it was right, maybe some people did speak out but their voices would have been shut down. Lets face it, these allegations were circulating in the 90s and even up to his death, nobody wanted to face the truth, even in this so called enlightened age.

I am quite aware that attitudes were different decades ago, towards things. The church, homosexuals, race etc, and that some people were so powerful, they could sway things in their favour, and things could be covered up if required. What I have not seen, is any evidence that anybody tried to do anything about the situation back then, with so many people aware of what was happening, and that's what I find hard to understand. And I am not talking about the victims here, I am talking about the people who were witnesses to these offences, and who did nothing.

[Cherie]

I am quite aware that attitudes were different decades ago, towards things. The church, homosexuals, race etc, and that some people were so powerful, they could sway things in their favour, and things could be covered up if required. What I have not seen, is any evidence that anybody tried to do anything about the situation back then, with so many people aware of what was happening, and that's what I find hard to understand. And I am not talking about the victims here, I am talking about the people who were witnesses to these offences, and who did nothing.

Look if his bosses at the BBC let him have free reign, Joanna Bloggs from Nowhere was hardly going to get a hearing. That girl in the childrens home reported him and was put in solitary confinement until she remembered differently, who knows who else reported him What we have heard so far is just the tip of the iceberg, I have no doubt in weeks to come we will hear about the people who spoke up but who were ignored.

[GiRTh]

[/B]

Look if his bosses at the BBC let him have free reign, Joanna Bloggs from Nowhere was hardly going to get a hearing. That girl in the childrens home reported him and was put in solitary confinement until she remembered differently, who knows who else reported him What we have heard so far is just the tip of the iceberg, I have no doubt in weeks to come we will hear about the people who spoke up but who were ignored.This.

Back then women used to get touched up by their bosses knowing no one would listen if they complained. I dont think we can blame the people who knew. No one knows what kind of pressure they must have been under.

[Mrluvaluva]

[/B]

Look if his bosses at the BBC let him have free reign, Joanna Bloggs from Nowhere was hardly going to get a hearing. That girl in the childrens home reported him and was put in solitary confinement until she remembered differently, who knows who else reported him What we have heard so far is just the tip of the iceberg, I have no doubt in weeks to come we will hear about the people who spoke up but who were ignored.

That is the kind of attitudes I am talking about. I am referring to adults here though who witnessed such incidents, and could have done something, but chose to do nothing. It may have well been the case that any such allegations made may have been dismissed if reported, but at least an attempt had been made to do so.

It is of course possible that we will hear about such cases where people had tried to alert the authorities and their reports were not taken seriously or covered up, but I am airing my views about what we know so far and the facts in hand, and that is all I can comment upon.

Again I realise that people thought their complaints may not be taken seriously, and so did nothing, but this is now on such a big scale it seems incomprehensible that nothing was done with regards to protecting these minors from such predators.

[cassieparis]

That is the kind of attitudes I am talking about. I am referring to adults here though who witnessed such incidents, and could have done something, but chose to do nothing. It may have well been the case that any such allegations made may have been dismissed if reported, but at least an attempt had been made to do so.

It is of course possible that we will hear about such cases where people had tried to alert the authorities and their reports were not taken seriously or covered up, but I am airing my views about what we know so far and the facts in hand, and that is all I can comment upon.

Again I realise that people thought their complaints may not be taken seriously, and so did nothing, but this is now on such a big scale it seems incomprehensible that nothing was done with regards to protecting these minors from such predators.

The Catholic church is way bigger than Jimmy Savile or the BBC and paedophile priests have been ALLOWED to damage children without question for centuries.

Children are vulnerable. Predators "love" the vulnerable. Rarely are their interests perk around capable adults.

We need to get so much better at recognising predators while protecting and listening to children.

The culture of shaming abused people into silence through poor investigation rebuff devalue dismissal disbelief and incredulity just adds to the damage.

I also believe JS was reported many times since the 70s onwards. I am not a conspiracy theorist believer. However I do think that this case will die with JS being recognised as the demon he was. But if the case were truly and properly investigated it would rock the very foundations of British society.

[Mrluvaluva]

The Catholic church is way bigger than Jimmy Savile or the BBC and paedophile priests have been ALLOWED to damage children without question for centuries.

Children are vulnerable. Predators "love" the vulnerable. Rarely are their interests perk around capable adults.

We need to get so much better at recognising predators while protecting and listening to children.

The culture of shaming abused people into silence through poor investigation rebuff devalue dismissal disbelief and incredulity just adds to the damage.

I also believe JS was reported many times since the 70s onwards. I am not a conspiracy theorist believer. However I do think that this case will die with JS being recognised as the demon he was. But if the case were truly and properly investigated it would rock the very foundations of British society.

I am not questioning this. As we now know, sexual abuse was allowed to run unchecked in the 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's in a number of institutions, schools, children’s homes, churches and now the BBC. That should not colour our response to it.

He may well be guilty, and that may be the case with a full investigation, and many people could possibly have tried to report it, as I have already mentioned, but there is no evidence of this at the moment that I have seen. My original post, and disdain, was for someone (an adult) who witnessed such a terrible incident, and did nothing, and now lives with that regret as I am sure many others do.

[Sam:)]

I heard it is freddie starr involved, not bruce

[Mrluvaluva]

I heard it is freddie starr involved, not bruce

He has been named in an incident in relation to Jimmy Saville and is protesting his innocence. I think the post you are referring to concerns somebody else who's name is not in public circulation yet.

[joeysteele]

I have to declare an interest

I have personally met Mr Saville in the course of my duties when we were promoting In Town without your car day in 2003.

If any of these allegations were true, why were they not reported to the authorities when he was alive?

The way all these people are emerging out of the woodwork, when he is no longer around to defend himself seems suspicious. Could it be that some are seeking to cash in on the compensation culture?

Let us not forget that Mr Saville was investigated by the police in 2007 and they found no evidence

I will repeat that, no evidence

If that is the case in an era when many were brought down, like Gary Glitter and others, how come the police found no evidence if there was a shred of truth these things happened.

Remember, Innocens nisi probetur nocens

And also when these allegations surface, you should ask as, Mr Saville is no longer with us and able to defend himself, "Cui Bono"

A very strong and thought provoking post.

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2012/10/11/197807/default/v1/sun-1-329x437.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2012/10/11/197804/default/v1/mirror-1-329x437.jpg

[cassieparis]

I am not questioning this. As we now know, sexual abuse was allowed to run unchecked in the 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's in a number of institutions, schools, children’s homes, churches and now the BBC. That should not colour our response to it.

He may well be guilty, and that may be the case with a full investigation, and many people could possibly have tried to report it, as I have already mentioned, but there is no evidence of this at the moment that I have seen. My original post, and disdain, was for someone (an adult) who witnessed such a terrible incident, and did nothing, and now lives with that regret as I am sure many others do.

I don't condone this phenomenon (adults who turn away when they witness abuse) but it is a known response.

Again I don't know why this happens but it does. I don't excuse it.
I would like to understand the motivation. I think it's fear. Terror. Individuals with emotional immaturity and under confidence. With minds that are unable to process horrors witnessed in the world.

Janet Street Porter told of the story of being hit by her mother when she reported that a hairdresser she had been left with molested her at 10 yrs old.

Too often you hear the story of mothers who continue to live with men who are abusing their children.

People who hear domestic abuse and don't call the police and other stories like this.

I think perhaps the witnesses can be victims of the abuse too. Especially if they too are dismissed when they report it or have a pending fear of dismissal.

These are excuses of course and adult witnesses should always report the abuse of children.

But I don't think being adult has anything to do with chronological age height and size but courage confidence emotional maturity and a real sense of the life changing damage that they had been witness.

[Omah]

The Catholic church is way bigger than Jimmy Savile or the BBC and paedophile priests have been ALLOWED to damage children without question for centuries.

Children are vulnerable. Predators "love" the vulnerable. Rarely are their interests perk around capable adults.

We need to get so much better at recognising predators while protecting and listening to children.

The culture of shaming abused people into silence through poor investigation rebuff devalue dismissal disbelief and incredulity just adds to the damage.

I also believe JS was reported many times since the 70s onwards. I am not a conspiracy theorist believer. However I do think that this case will die with JS being recognised as the demon he was. But if the case were truly and properly investigated it would rock the very foundations of British society.

Absolutely ..... :pipe:

[erinp5]

I just read this!!!!
http://aangirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/jimmy-savile-kray-twins-cliff-richards.html

[Omah]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2012/10/11/197807/default/v1/sun-1-329x437.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2012/10/11/197804/default/v1/mirror-1-329x437.jpg

I wonder what the text will be ?

[Mrluvaluva]

I don't condone this phenomenon (adults who turn away when they witness abuse) but it is a known response.

Again I don't know why this happens but it does. I don't excuse it.
I would like to understand the motivation. I think it's fear. Terror. Individuals with emotional immaturity and under confidence. With minds that are unable to process horrors witnessed in the world.

Janet Street Porter told of the story of being hit by her mother when she reported that a hairdresser she had been left with molested her at 10 yrs old.

Too often you hear the story of mothers who continue to live with men who are abusing their children.

People who hear domestic abuse and don't call the police and other stories like this.

I think perhaps the witnesses can be victims of the abuse too. Especially if they too are dismissed when they report it or have a pending fear of dismissal.

These are excuses of course and adult witnesses should always report the abuse of children.

But I don't think being adult has anything to do with chronological age height and size but courage confidence emotional maturity and a real sense of the life changing damage that they had been witness.

The reasons I talk about the failure of adults is precisely for the reason that is mentioned in your post about Janet Street Porter. Children's reports are often disregarded and they are scolded for making things up. As mentioned again, children may be frightened, or possibly do not understand fully what has happened. I would expect an adults knowledge and understanding of right and wrong to be far more superior than that of a small child, and their allegations be taken far more seriously possibly. I realise that not everybody reacts in the same way, but I would have expected with the enormity of this case, that at the least an allegation or two were originally made against him. If none ever were, then that has contributed for the length of time this was allowed to go on unchallenged.

[Omah]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9603004/Why-was-sex-predator-Jimmy-Savile-allowed-to-roam-Stoke-Mandeville-hospital-at-will.html

A number of former patients have come forward claiming they were sexually abused by Savile, who had an office and a bedroom on the premises.

Nn Thursday a whistleblower told The Daily Telegraph that a senior manager at the trust had openly complained about Savile “touching up” nurses but said it was “tolerated” because of his fund-raising. Police have contacted the hospital in Buckinghamshire over allegations made by several women and at least one man that Savile molested them while they were patients there.

The Conservative MP Rob Wilson, who has led the calls for public bodies, including the BBC, to come clean over who knew what about Savile’s predatory activities, has written to bosses at the hospital demanding an investigation.

He said: “The scale of the allegations against Sir Jimmy Savile is quite staggering.

“I do not think what is alleged to have happened at Stoke Mandeville Hospital is acceptable in a decent society.

“If it is true, as alleged by ex-staff, that they were warned about Savile by hospital managers, they are complicit in the most disturbing of crimes.

“Some significant questions need to be answered. Such as why did it allow Jimmy Savile just to roam the hospital at will? Was it just because he raised money?

A former worker at the trust said a manager told him a decade ago that Savile was notorious for targeting nurses.

The source said: “I mentioned something about Savile and the manager said, 'Don’t talk to me about him. He’s an absolute nightmare.’

“It was tolerated and let go because of his fund-raising, so for Stoke Mandeville to say this is the first time they have heard anything about this is just wrong.”

The trust said it had been contacted by the Metropolitan Police this week and is supporting the Yard with its inquiries. But it said it was inappropriate to conduct its own inquiry while the police investigation was being carried out.

[Omah]

Shamed star's driver reveals all about abuse horror
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jimmy-savile-child-abuse-driver-1373895

Jimmy Savile’s former driver has revealed the TV star turned his mobile home into a sordid sex lair where he abused a string of *children as he toured Britain.

Dennis Garbutt said the paedophile presenter lured vulnerable girls as young as 12 into the vehicle during fundraising events at hospitals.

Dennis told his wife Lucy how the presenter would give him a signal to leave the mobile home so he could pounce on his young victims.

Lucy said: “Savile would say to him, ‘Go and get a cup of tea, Den’ and that was his way of saying he wanted to be alone and it was obvious why.

"Den would then go to the pictures or just walk the streets for a while.

“Den knew what was going on and we regret not doing anything about it at the time. He said Savile would have girls wherever he went.

"I couldn’t say how many, it was all over the country every time they stopped.

“He said, ‘These girls are barely older than our daughter, who was 12 at the time.’ It happened at the Leeds General Infirmary, at Broadmoor and in London.

"When he stopped he would have young girls. We both feel bad that we never said anything to the police, we’re as bad as all the others for not coming forward.

"I really regret it now but Den always said he had nothing to prove it, he just knew what was going on.”

Lucy, 78, told how Dennis – who now suffers from dementia – finally got sick of Savile’s vile behaviour and quit after 12 months.

She added: “Den could only stand working for him for a year and then he said to me, ‘I can’t bear it anymore. I don’t agree with it’.”

Dennis worked for Savile in 1971, driving his first mobile home.

After *fundraising, the Jim’ll Fix It host regularly invited *teenagers to join him on the mattress installed in the back of his lair.

A number of women have come forward in the past week and described being attacked in the vehicle he called his caravan.

While visiting London to appear on Top of the Pops in 1971, Savile kept it in a car park behind a rubbish tip in the red light district around Kings Cross.

After showing off the vehicle that same year, he said in a Mirror interview: “I tramp around the country like a grey timber wolf.

“I’m a wild animal, aware of the world and its surroundings and aware of my own needs.

"Look, a guy can stand on stage with a bolt through his head and because he’s in showbiz someone will fancy him.

“It’s a fact that girls fall for me and well, I’m single and I’m normal, and I get my fair share.”

But Lucy told how Savile would be two-faced when it came to his fans, slagging them off behind their backs.

Speaking from the home she shares with Dennis in Harrogate, North Yorks, she added: “To be honest, I never did like him.

"When he was signing autographs he would be smiling at his fans and then saying under his breath, ‘Just look at this so-and-so.’ All the time he would keep on smiling at them.”



:yuk:

[Omah]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4585199/Jimmy-Savile-victims-abuse-pic-revealed.html#ixzz292ivwQsp

A WOMAN has told how twisted Jimmy Savile posed with her for a Polaroid snap in front of her school when she was 14 — moments before whisking her away in his gold Rolls-Royce to sexually abuse her.

She said the pervert even signed the back of the photo, writing: “Just off!!! (1/2 a chance!!!)” — but it wasn’t until after her terrifying ordeal that she realised the words had been a statement of his depraved intent.

Now a 53-year-old mother of two — who we are not identifying — she has kept what happened in 1974 from her husband and two daughters, but agreed to show us the image. She said: “I’m smiling because I felt safe. He was a star.

“Less than half an hour later he pulled over in a layby and got me on the back seat.

“He was drooling and got his hands on to my breasts then in my knickers.”

She went on: “He drove me back to school as if nothing had happened. At least four other girls told me he abused them or tried to abuse them.

“I tried speaking out before but nobody was interested. It was the word of girls from a school for problem kids against the great Jimmy Savile.

“I was pleased when I saw his gravestone was smashed to bits — he smashed my life to bits.”

Certainly 10s, maybe 100s, even 1000s of young lives "smashed to bits" by Sex-fiend Savile ..... :eek:

[Cherie]

I am not questioning this. As we now know, sexual abuse was allowed to run unchecked in the 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's in a number of institutions, schools, children’s homes, churches and now the BBC. That should not colour our response to it.

He may well be guilty, and that may be the case with a full investigation, and many people could possibly have tried to report it, as I have already mentioned, but there is no evidence of this at the moment that I have seen. My original post, and disdain, was for someone (an adult) who witnessed such a terrible incident, and did nothing, and now lives with that regret as I am sure many others do.


Ex Policeman interviewed on BBC News last night reported to it to his superiors after receiving a complaint from a Nurse at one of the Hospitals and it was brushed aside. I feel sure there were many complaints, there just had to be with the number of allegations against him.

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-19915975

A woman has claimed Sir Jimmy Savile abused a young girl during a visit to a children's home in West Yorkshire.

The woman, who does not wish to be named, told BBC Radio Leeds the incident happened at a council-run home she stayed at in Leeds in the 1970s.

She said the 12-year-old victim told her Savile indecently touched her after they went upstairs together.

Leeds Safeguarding Children Board said it had not, to its knowledge, received any complaints about Savile.

The woman said the woman in charge of the care home "was uncomfortable" about Savile but a new member of staff allowed him to visit.

She said he sat in the dining room with the children before taking the 12-year-old upstairs to the bedrooms.

She said when the woman in charge realised what had happened she "ran upstairs and found him".

"You could hear it, there were raised voices from the staff room and then she just ran upstairs," the woman said.

She said Savile was told to leave and banned from further visits.

"A social worker came down," she said, "and basically he came back the next day and said it would be his word against Jimmy Savile and it would be unfair to put a girl through the procedure of a police investigation that probably will end in nothing and ruin a man's career."

In a statement Jane Held, independent chairwoman of the Leeds Safeguarding Children Board, said it shared concerns being expressed nationally about Savile.

She said: "We have not to the best of our knowledge received any complaints or allegations about Jimmy Savile, but if any now come to light we will co-operate fully with any police investigation.

"Once any police investigation is completed we will conduct a rigorous review with all our partners of any information relating to Leeds residents. We would encourage anyone who has got information or concerns to report them."

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2012/10/11/197800/default/v1/independent-1-329x437.jpg

BBC: Guilty

[Kizzy]

The BBC are not the ones who need to be the most worried in relation to this.
Police forces up and down the country will be held accountable for their inaction. The IPCC is going to be very busy investigating the extent to which each one was involved I think.

[arista]

No Kizzy
Newsnight Editor
stopped the Broadcast.

That was on Question Time last night.

Both Conservative and Labour MP's
agreed the BBC have to answer this

[arista]

The New BBC Director -General
just said the BBC newsnight clips are going to the police
then he will think about the broadcast.

He has full backing of the Editor that Blocked that report.

His Job although only just started
appears to be on the line.
As he was working as Director of Vision at that time.

Was live on SkyNewsHD and BBCNews
just now

[Omah]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/jimmy-savile/9605294/Jimmy-Savile-sex-scandal-40-victims-come-forward-to-speak-of-abuse.html

Police investigating the Jimmy Savile sex abuse scandal have now received 340 lines of enquiry and are dealing with 40 potential victims, it was announced today.

The Metropolitan Police, which is leading the investigation nationally, has also officially recorded 12 allegations of sexual offences, but has said it expects that figure to grow.

The alleged offences date back to 1959 and the youngest victim is believed to be just nine-years old.

A spokeman for Scotland Yard said: "Officers from the Serious Case Team of the MPS Child Abuse Investigation Command will continue to contact those who have come forward, to ensure that they are given the advice and support they need.

We would once again praise the courage of, and thank everyone who has come forward to provide us with information to assist in understanding the scale of abuse perpetrated by Savile."

:idc:

[arista]

Ch4 news Report
on now
has a 2 Ex BBC producers

If Only kizzy would watch this


What a Fecking Stink at the BBC.

Savile had sex with 3
14 year olds
and told that BBC bloke it kept him young.

[Shaun]

John Peel's been accused of it now :/

[King Gizzard]

Be Elvis next

[arista]

John Peel's been accused of it now :/




Yes Shaun but Evil Savile had the Keys to a Prison
free to rape who he wanted.


Savile abused his charity power.
And worse BBC backed his rapes

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

John Peel's been accused of it now :/

No idea who he is.

[Omah]

John Peel's been accused of it now :/

Well, he liked 'em young :

While in Dallas, in 1965, he married his first wife, Shirley Anne Milburn, then aged 15, in what Peel later described as a "mutual defence pact". The marriage was never happy and although she accompanied Peel back to Britain in 1967, they were soon separated. The divorce became final in 1973. Shirley Anne Milburn later took her own life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Peel

[Shaun]

No idea who he is.

the internet's your friend

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

I wonder who the other celebs who are supposely to be involved in this, I read someone who was in a soap opera was involved, the whole thing makes my skin crawl, I can't believe he got away with it for all those years.

[Kizzy]

Ch4 news Report
on now
has a 2 Ex BBC producers

If Only kizzy would watch this


What a Fecking Stink at the BBC.

Savile had sex with 3
14 year olds
and told that BBC bloke it kept him young.

Ok... Yes, the BBC have a case to answer!
Happy now?.....
Would love to know how many complaints the police recieved over the years that were 'filed'.

[Mrluvaluva]

I wonder who the other celebs who are supposely to be involved in this, I read someone who was in a soap opera was involved, the whole thing makes my skin crawl, I can't believe he got away with it for all those years.

There are connections that can be made to say many people from the things I have read. Celebrities, politicians, DJ's, even gangsters. There does seem to be a few more people now saying that they reported (or tried to report) such incidents, but were not taken seriously, or persuaded otherwise. Allegations have been made for instance that if any of JS's drivers tried to make a complaint they were sacked. I don't think we have heard the half of it yet.

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2012/10/12/197947/default/v2/theipapers-1-329x437.jpg

[Omah]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/oct/12/jimmy-savile-broadmoor-volunteer-role?newsfeed=true

In August 1988, shortly before the publication of a highly critical report into its operating procedures, the entire management board of Broadmoor secure psychiatric hospital was suspended by the Department of Health, which at the time had joint responsibility for its direct management.

The running of Broadmoor, the highest-profile facility of its kind in the country and the home to many of Britain's most notorious criminals, was placed in the temporary control of a "taskforce", according to reports at the time, to be headed up by a somewhat unexpected figure.

It was Jimmy Savile, the then 61-year-old TV presenter, charity fundraiser and national eccentric. "There's nothing that can't be solved," he told an approving Sunday Times reporter at the time of his appointment, stabbing the air with his trademark cigar for emphasis.

"It is the simple 'fix it' attitude he brings to all areas of his life," noted the interviewer, adding that six months later, it would fall to Savile to appoint the first general manager to be responsible for the day-to-day running of the hospital.

WTF ..... :eek:

[Omah]

John Peel's been accused of it now :/

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/oct/12/jimmy-savile-bbc-apology-inquiries?newsfeed=true

DJ John Peel who reportedly got a 15-year-old girl pregnant in 1969. Peel met Jane Nevin backstage at a Black Sabbath concert and embarked on a three-month affair.

She told the Daily Mail she got pregnant and had an abortion, corroborating her story with a postcard he had sent 30 years later in reply to a letter she had sent. In it, Peel expressed his relief that she was not writing to tell him he had a secret child.

Underage wife, underage sex, underage "prediliction" ..... :suspect:

[Shaun]

watching HIGNFY now, that transcript's a hoax apparently (according to Merton & Hislop)

[Omah]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/9605293/Sir-Jimmy-Savile-is-stripped-of-his-honorary-doctorate.html

Mandrake’s report on Friday that Prof Les Ebdon, the universities’ watchdog appointed by Vince Cable, had awarded Sir Jimmy Savile an honorary doctorate has had rapid repercussions.

It can be disclosed that the late presenter of Jim’ll Fix It has been stripped of the honour by the University of Bedfordshire, of which Prof Ebdon was vice-chancellor until last month.

“The board of governors’ nominations and honours committee met last night to confirm that the honorary degree would be rescinded,” a university spokesman tells me.

“The honorary award was in recognition of his charitable fund-raising. It was given in good faith without the knowledge of the current very serious allegations.”

The decision will spare the blushes of Prof Ebdon who presented the honour to Sir Jimmy in 2009.

Good ..... :pipe:

[Omah]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/jimmy-savile/9605095/Jimmy-Savile-Variety-launches-investigation-into-claims-Savile-molested-children-on-Sunshine-Coaches.html

A retired businessman told The Daily Telegraph that Savile, who was one of the charity’s celebrity fundraisers in the 1970s, regularly attended ceremonies where the keys to new coaches were handed over, and would use his connection to the charity to prey on young children.

Last night the charity launched an urgent investigation into the claims, saying that if they were true the children it supported had been “let down in the worst possible way”.

Variety the Children’s Charity, formerly the Variety Club of Great Britain, has raised money for more than 5,000 Sunshine Coaches in the past 50 years.

The buses are used to give sick, disabled and disadvantaged children days out they would not otherwise be able to have, making around 24,000 trips per year.

But for Savile, the coaches were merely another opportunity to grope vulnerable child victims, according to a retired businessman who ran a company with one of the charity’s former Barkers, or principal fundraisers.

John Lund told the Telegraph that the late Michael Kay “detested” Savile and told him he was “practising his dirty little arts” at the time.

He said: “Savile was involved in the Variety Club in Leeds and used to go to all these presentations of the coaches in the area.

“Michael told me there was an unhealthy pattern of behaviour involving Savile and the children and it had sickened him.

“There was also a suspicion that something had happened involving Savile on one of the coaches during one of the outings, that he interfered with children on the Sunshine Coaches.

“The children used to be taken to Scarborough and to local zoos and I understand Savile sometimes used to go along with them.

“Michael detested the man, but I don’t know whether or not he ever made a formal complaint about him.”




:eek:

[arista]

Yes his own keys
he could rape any of them.
No Staff would trust what a Nutter in there would say.
Ref : Broadmoor.

Evil Monster

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19936195

The Department of Health (DoH) is to investigate the decision to appoint Sir Jimmy Savile as head of a taskforce overseeing Broadmoor hospital in 1988.

The DoH said the claims were "disturbing" and the entertainer should not have been appointed to the role.

The DoH said it would look at the role it had in appointing Savile to his post at Broadmoor. At the time it had responsibility for running the high security hospital but West London Mental Health NHS Trust has run the hospital since 2001.

The Guardian reported that Savile's appointment came in 1988 after the hospital's management board was dismissed by the then health secretary Ken Clarke.

However, Mr Clarke's special adviser said the Conservative MP, who was made health secretary in July 1988, had no recollection of this, and the appointment may not have been made when he was in his post.

Who appointed a DJ to run a mental hospital? They must have been insane themselves!

[Cherie]

No idea who he is.

He is an ex Radio 1 DJ and also presented TOTPs.

[Omah]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/jimmy-savile/9606494/Jimmy-Savile-was-investigated-by-police-at-least-six-times.html

Savile was first investigated by police 'for interfering with young girls’ when a nightclub manager in Leeds as long ago as 1958. His former bodyguard has told The Sunday Telegraph that Savile claimed to have paid officers to drop the case.

It was the first in a series of at least six investigations that included:

* an inquiry into under age sex taking place in the Top of the Pops changing rooms in the late 60s, according to the show’s then producer. Police interviewed BBC staff but did not pursue the matter;

* an allegation in 1971 that Savile was involved with a 15-year-old dancer on Top of the Pops, who then committed suicide. The girl’s half brother said Savile was interviewed as a witness but no further action was taken;

* claims that Savile was abusing patients at Stoke Mandeville hospital in the late 1970s. John Lindsay, a detective constable at the time, reported the allegations – made by a nurse – to his commanding officer but was told there was not enough evidence to proceed against a celebrity of Savile’s stature;

* two further police investigations in the past five years including one in Surrey in 2007 over claims of an indecent assault at Duncroft Approved School for Girls. Savile was interviewed by police but the case dropped due to lack of evidence.

To be interviewed once may be regarded as a misfortune; to be interviewed twice looks like suspicious; to be interviewed three times looks like a pattern ..... but SIX times !

[Omah]

Scotland Yard said yesterday the number of likely victims had reached 60 with 340 lines of inquiry pursued by 14 separate forces. The NSPCC has received more than 100 complaints.

Peter Watt, the head of the NSPCC’s helpline, said: “The number of incidents reported have reached treble figures making him a hugely prolific sex offender – one of the worst I’ve ever heard of.”

:eek:

[Omah]

Scotland Yard said yesterday the number of likely victims had reached 60 with 340 lines of inquiry pursued by 14 separate forces. The NSPCC has received more than 100 complaints.

Peter Watt, the head of the NSPCC’s helpline, said: “The number of incidents reported have reached treble figures making him a hugely prolific sex offender – one of the worst I’ve ever heard of.”

:eek:

[Omah]

WTF ..... :eek:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jimmy-savile-preyed-on-young-victims-1378482

Savile used to drive to Broadmoor from London after recording Top of the Pops, bringing young girls from the audience, famous singers and dancers from the show’s Pan’s People.

Savile gained a reputation for causing trouble and a bad atmosphere that undermined security, a former staff member said.

Members of the Prison Officers’ Association complained about him to management, but say nothing was done. The former staff member said: “He used to swan around as though it was a country pub, rather than a secure hospital for the bad and mad. He treated some of the patients’ horrific crimes as jokes.

“Jimmy didn’t believe the rules related to him and felt that he could do anything he wanted. Everybody knew that he was close to management and they felt unable to complain.”

:amazed:

[Omah]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jimmy-savile-preyed-on-young-victims-1378482

Commander Peter Spindler, head of Specialist Crime Invest-igations at the Metropolitan *Police, said: “We have received information from the public that suggest allegations against Jimmy Savile span six decades with reports starting in 1959 up to and including 2006.

“Having now had the opportunity to review progress one week on I have revised my estimate of the number of likely victims to be about 60.” More victims have approached TV stations and newspapers with the total more than 100.

[Omah]

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/jimmy-savile-thrown-off-cruise-liner-1376563

LEERING Jimmy Savile – before he was locked in his cabin then booted off the ship over claims he assaulted a 14-year-old.

The drama happened in July 1978 while Savile was a VIP guest on the luxury liner SS Canberra.

Two passengers on the P&O fleet flagship told one of the officers about Savile’s inappropriate behaviour with their daughter.

After listening to the distraught couple, the captain summoned the DJ and grilled him.

The skipper, who has asked not to be named, said: “The more I quizzed him, the more convinced I became that he was lying.

“He was a shifty sort of chap whose eyes darted all over the place.

“The parents, who were not travelling first class, were very decent, ordinary people who were completely scandalised by Savile’s unwanted attention to their daughter. I told him he disgusted me and I wanted him off my ship when we reached Gibraltar.

“I detailed an officer to make sure he remained in his cabin until we reached the Rock.

“He was to take all his meals in his cabin and was not allowed to leave it under any circumstances short of shipwreck.”

Good for the skipper ..... :thumbs:

[Omah]

http://news.sky.com/story/997385/jimmy-savile-abuse-spans-six-decades

Lawyers acting for Savile's alleged victims are said to be considering taking legal action against several NHS trusts and the BBC.

Lawyer Liz Dux, of Slater and Gordon, and an expert in personal injury and child abuse cases, told The Guardian newspaper she was acting for a number of women who want to sue on the grounds of vicarious liability.

[Omah]

Derek Chinnery was Radio 1 controller from 1978-85 while Savile worked at Radio 1 from 1969 to 1989. During Mr Chinnery's era in charge, Savile was presenting a weekly show broadcasting charts from previous decades.

In an interview with BBC reporter Sima Kotecha for Broadcasting House, which will be broadcast at 09:00 BST, Mr Chinnery said he approached the star directly when he heard rumours relating to his private life. "I asked what's all this, these rumours we hear about you Jimmy?"

Asked about accepting a denial by the former Top of the Pops and Jim'll Fix It presenter, Mr Chinnery said: "It's easy now to say how could you just believe him just like that."

He added: "He was the sort of man that attracted rumours, after all, because he was single, he was always on the move, he was always going around the country."

:idc:

[Pyramid*]

No Kizzy
Newsnight Editor
stopped the Broadcast.

That was on Question Time last night.

Both Conservative and Labour MP's
agreed the BBC have to answer this


Here's your answer at least in part.

A crucial letter from the Police turned out to be...... fake.


A forged police letter obtained by The Mail on Sunday casts new light on the BBC’s controversial decision to drop its documentary on Jimmy Savile.

It was handed to this newspaper last week by a woman who appeared on the ITV programme which exposed the entertainer as a predatory paedophile.

Identified only as Fiona, she said the letter backed her claims that Surrey Police had dropped its investigation into the sex abuse allegations because of Savile's ill health and 'senility'


However, last night Corporation sources indicated that their dealings with Fiona – who they said ‘appeared to be playing games with us’ – was a contributory factor.


The Mail on Sunday has seen the letter – and the BBC’s fears appear to be justified because it is unquestionably a fake. The note says that Fiona was interviewed by police in 2006 despite the inquiry not beginning until May the following year.

The letter is also headed by a Surrey Police crest not in use at the time it was supposedly written. Significantly, there are no reference numbers included within the text.




Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2217352/Revealed-Fake-letter-cast-doubt-Savile-victims-claims--played-key-role-BBC-decision-ditch-Newsnight-investigation.html#ixzz29G6HdGs3
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[Omah]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUxA0QwJ1Qk&feature=plcp

Jaw-dropping ..... :eek:

[arista]

Yes well done
Ch4News
not held back by BBC.

And Ex BBC managers interviewed

[Omah]

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/at-a-glance/main-section/savile-paid-off-sex-attack-victims-half-a-century-ago-1-5024058

JIMMY SAVILE used his burgeoning wealth and reputation to cover up alleged sex attacks on underage girls while manager of a Leeds dance hall more than half a century ago, a former doorman has claimed.

Leeds pensioner Dennis Lemmon, 80, who was a door supervisor at the Mecca Locarno Ballroom during the late 1950s while Savile was manager, said he was told he “paid off” families to escape criminal charges of interfering with young girls.

Mr Lemmon, who was regularly requested to accompany Savile on his walkabouts around the dance hall, said he first heard of the allegations in 1958.

“The first inkling I got of it was when I was told he was going to be up in court,” he told the Yorkshire Post.

“After that I got told he paid them off. I assumed it was the families. Before that there had been no rumours about him.

“I started thinking back to all the times I was walking around with Jimmy. He always did seem to end up with the younger-age girls.”

Savile was manager of the Mecca Locarno Ballroom before launching his media career, and put on lunchtime discos which were regularly attended by schoolchildren and office workers as well as a Saturday afternoon dance for youngsters only.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Right, I think we all get the point about Jimmy Saville now. I think there should be a bottom line now. What do they hope to accomplish with this, now that he's dead? Do the victims want some kind of compensation? They want BBC shut down? What is the point, now that he's dead.

[Mystic Mock]

The point is that he gets named and shamed instead of being praised as a hero when he isn't.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

The point is that he gets named and shamed instead of being praised as a hero when he isn't.
It is being done, what is the next step?

[Mystic Mock]

It is being done, what is the next step?

God knows, maybe they just want the truth.

[Omah]

It is being done, what is the next step?

Dig him up, burn his bones and scatter the ashes on a landfill site ..... :pipe:

[Omah]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4589686/Jimmy-Saviles-youngest-victim-A-scout-aged-nine.html#ixzz29KHTP4A0

THE youngest known victim of BBC paedophile Jimmy Savile came forward last night to reveal he was abused as a nine-year-old cub scout.

Kevin Cook, now 45, told how presenter Savile molested him in a shabby dressing room after he appeared on kids’ TV show Jim’ll Fix It.

Savile then warned him to keep quiet — saying: “Nobody would believe you anyway, I’m King Jimmy.”

The arrogant paedophile enticed Kevin into his dingy dressing room by promising him a coveted Jim’ll Fix It badge.

:eek:

[Omah]

http://www.scotsman.com/news/uk/police-to-search-jimmy-savile-s-highland-hideaway-for-evidence-1-2576223

THE Highland home of the former Jim’ll Fix It host is high on a list of locations being targeted by police investigation into allegations of child abuse against him.

Reports yesterday said that officers believe the property in Glen Coe, called Alt-na-reigh – which has not been touched since Jimmy Savile’s death last year – may hold vital leads for the nationwide investigation.

It is expected that both the late DJ’s Leeds and Highland homes will be subject of forensic investigation.

A source close to the investigation said: “Both properties are important to this investigation. Glen Coe will be one of the first places they search. There are more than 300 lines of inquiry – and the house is part of that.”

Criminologists have said that among the evidence at the house could be photographs, items of clothing and personal documents revealing the identities of possible victims, as well as others who were involved in the abuse and may still be alive.

Savile took regular breaks in the house, which he bought in 1998, and is understood to have hosted Prince Charles there for dinner in 1999.

Though the home was a mile from the nearest property, he became a well-known face in Glencoe village. Locals have spoken of his strange, attention-seeking behaviour, such as standing outside his home in Highland regalia, waiting to wave to passing tourist buses.

Further reports about his apparent inappropriate attitude towards young girls also emerged yesterday, with claims by a fan that when he asked for the DJ’s autograph, Savile left a salacious message urging “lost girls” to visit.

James Huestis, from Eaglesham, Renfrewshire said that he had met him in Glencoe in 2005 while on holiday with wife, and had asked him to autograph his road map. Instead, the former DJ wrote “All lost girls report” beside an arrow point to his nearby cottage, followed by the note “and be saved by Sir Jimmy Savile”.

He said: “We stopped to have breakfast. On the way out, we saw Savile. He was very friendly and chatty.

“I asked for his autograph and I was struggling to get a bit of paper. So I went to the car and got the map. He opened it on the page where his cottage was. The he wrote his note.”

Mr Huestis said of the encounter: “At the time I didn’t think anything of it. I thought it was a bit of banter. Now it takes on a different meaning. The message is pretty clear.”

[Kazanne]

Right, I think we all get the point about Jimmy Saville now. I think there should be a bottom line now. What do they hope to accomplish with this, now that he's dead? Do the victims want some kind of compensation? They want BBC shut down? What is the point, now that he's dead.

Well they should be 'closed down' simply for the money they screw out of people who they think want to watch their ****ty shows,only one good show come from them,poor return for the monies taken I think.

[Omah]

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/uk/jimmy-savile-case-team-seeks-evidence-in-broadmoor-16224332.html#ixzz29LyQ0qOm

Scotland Yard detectives probing the growing list of child abuse claims against Jimmy Savile will visit Broadmoor psychiatric hospital in Berkshire today in a bid to gather new evidence about claims that he sexually assaulted patients at the high-security facility.

The Metropolitan Police's focus on Broadmoor, given the ex-BBC star's lengthy association with the hospital, indicates its determination to ensure that if anyone helped Savile at any point through six decades of alleged abuse, and they are still alive, they will face criminal charges of culpability.

Detectives will probe the administrative background that led to Savile being appointed to head a task force in 1988 that oversaw Broadmoor's work.

:idc:

[joeysteele]

Well they should be 'closed down' simply for the money they screw out of people who they think want to watch their ****ty shows,only one good show come from them,poor return for the monies taken I think.

Hi kazanne, well it's another issue arising from the alleged accusations against Jimmy Saville but for me definitely you are right.
Well done to you for also raising it and if it is proven that there have been cover ups and that BBC hierarchy or producers and senior staff had suspicions or did mention and report things that were brushed under the carpet.
Then, I don't think in any shape or form should such an organisation be supported by public funding.

This is now becoming a seedy,serious and very distressing kind of soap opera with likely corruption included too as to the BBC and other institutions like the Hospitals connected to this too.
It is looking like the BBC has many questions to answer here as to Jimmy Savile and also its own internal workings and senior staff.

[Omah]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/jimmy-savile/9607425/Jimmy-Savile-Whatever-is-said-after-Im-gone-is-irrelevant.html#

Jimmy Savile did not care whether he was reviled for molesting children after his death, saying: “I’ll leave it to the psychologists to sort out the psychology of child abuse.”

Savile spoke of rumours he abused children in a 2001 interview, insisting that “whatever is said after I’m gone is irrelevant”.

“If I’m gone that’s that,” he said. “B------- to my legacy”.

The interview, published in the Sunday Mirror , includes Savile’s response to allegations he was a ‘paedophile’.

The DJ, then 74, told an Irish newspaper: “Whatever is said after I’m gone is irrelevant.”

When asked whether he was “into little girls”, he said: “I’d rather not even opinionate on this. I’ll leave it to the psychologists to sort out the psychology of child abuse.”

Just ..... a monster ..... :eek:

[Shaun]

Well they should be 'closed down' simply for the money they screw out of people who they think want to watch their ****ty shows,only one good show come from them,poor return for the monies taken I think.

rofl

[Jack_]

Dig him up, burn his bones and scatter the ashes on a landfill site ..... :pipe:

I really wish you'd drop this disturbing, barbaric and ridiculously OTT and attention seeking attitude towards crime and punishment.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4589686/Jimmy-Saviles-youngest-victim-A-scout-aged-nine.html#ixzz29KHTP4A0



:eek:

'The arrogant paedophile'? World class, impartial journalism as ever from The Sun I see.

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19948782

The culture secretary is to be asked whether the government plans to launch an independent inquiry into the allegations against Sir Jimmy Savile.

Conservative MP Rob Wilson secured an urgent question to ask if Maria Miller believes the BBC has done enough to deal with the claims.

He will also ask why the corporation dropped a Newsnight investigation into Savile.

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19946626

Alec Shelbrooke, Conservative MP for Elmet and Rothwell, has called for further action.

"If Savile's found guilty, I believe he should be moved to an anonymous burial site, that all references to him on the streets should be removed, that the charitable trust should be moved into other trusts so that the money can go to good causes," he said.

:pipe:

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19946626

Mrs Miller, the culture secretary, told the Commons she was satisfied the corporation was taking the allegations "very seriously," saying the BBC had launched three reviews.

"The first will look particularly at the allegations with regard to the item on Savile which was inappropriately pulled from Newsnight," she said.

A spokesman for the Department of Culture, Media and Sport later clarified that Ms Miller had misread her statement and meant the the inquiry would look into allegations the Savile investigation was inappropriately pulled.
Mrs Miller added that the BBC's second review - undertaken when the police advised it was appropriate to do so - would focus on Savile himself.

"And although the BBC's child protection policy was overhauled in 2002, the review will also focus on whether its policy is fit for purpose and what lessons can be learnt. That will be assisted by an independent expert," she added

A third review would look at wider allegations of sexual harassment at the corporation, Mrs Miller said.

Labour deputy leader Harriet Harman told MPs that Savile's "exulted" status within the corporation allowed him to act with impunity.

She said: "Everyone has been sickened by the vile abuse perpetrated by Jimmy Savile. It's impossible to overstate the suffering he caused to those he abused.

Mr Entwistle had been due to appear in front of the MPs on the culture, media and sport committee later this year, but he offered to bring it forward to 23 October.

I think the DG may get a rather robust grilling ..... :idc:

[arista]

Just on BBC1 News


the now 45 year old man
who when was 9 year old boy
was raped by Evil Jimmy.
In the BBC Studio
back room.


First reported in the Sun.

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2012/10/14/198213/default/v1/eds15p001-1st-1-329x437.jpg

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Just on BBC1 News


the now 45 year old man
who when was 9 year old boy
was raped by Evil Jimmy.
In the BBC Studio
back room.


First reported in the Sun.

......................

[the truth]

but what happens if hes innocent like michael jackson?

[Omah]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jimmy-savile-child-abuse-sexual-1380981

Vile Jimmy Savile preyed on vulnerable patients at all-girl discos he ran at Broadmoor psychiatric hospital, it emerged last night.

The sexual predator used his unlimited access on the wards to recruit the young women for his private parties where he exclusively installed himself as DJ.

Dressed up as “therapeutic entertainment”, his discos in the 70s, which Savile insisted on making, “lasses only” – gave him the opportunity to mingle with unsuspecting victims, away from staff.

A nurse working at the hospital at the time of the disco in 1970 said after the first party: “The discotheque provides entertainment and a therapeutic atmosphere and is much enjoyed.”

Savile, who owned nightclubs Maison Royale and Le Cardinal in Bournemouth in the 70s, was the DJ at the launch event and subsequent discos.

He would play records and mingle with female patients, housed in two blocks at the hospital.


:eek:

[Omah]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/jimmy-savile/9609141/Jimmy-Savile-could-be-one-of-the-most-serious-predatory-paedophiles-in-criminal-history-says-Jeremy-Vine.html


Jimmy Savile will become known as 'one of the most serious predatory paedophiles in criminal history,' BBC presenter Jeremy Vine said today.

The veteran presenter, who has been with the BBC for 25 years and has worked on the Newsnight programme said ""This is a complete and utter nightmare. The fact that this person (Savile) was using his BBC prestige and maybe even BBC dressing rooms to attack young children I find completely disgusting. We may be looking at one of the most serious predatory paedophiles in criminal history - and he was on our doorstep.

"The Newsnight issue is very, very difficult. I think we do need to find out what happened. If the material they shelved was the same material that ITV put out that is very serious - but I am not sure it was.

"George Entwistle has got huge integrity and he will find out what happened here. And they are going to have to tell us. It is a really, really big issue."

It certainly is ..... :hmph:

[Mystic Mock]

but what happens if hes innocent like michael jackson?

I highly doubt it with all this coming out.

[the truth]

I highly doubt it with all this coming out.

AND WHAT OF ALL THESE NURSES and staff who knew exactly what he was up to and let it go on and on?

[Mystic Mock]

Well hopefully they will be dealt with.

[Omah]

offering information since details of Savile's decades preying on youngsters began to emerge.

http://www.napac.org.uk/

[Omah]

http://news.sky.com/story/998123/jimmy-savile-labour-demands-new-abuse-inquiry

Labour wants an independent inquiry to have the power to demand documentation and summon witnesses. It should look into Savile's activities at the BBC, Stoke Mandeville hospital and Broadmoor, the party said.

"I think we now have enough set of allegations and further allegations to know this is not some isolated set of incidents," Mr Miliband said.

"This seems to be a pattern of activity which spanned a number of institutions. As I say, I just think about the victims in this. This is absolutely horrific and will scar people for life.

"And I think for them, the BBC - good institution though it is - I don't think they can lead their own inquiry."

[Vanessa]

Now it appears he molested a 9 year old boy! :eek::mad::nono:

[Omah]

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/uk/jimmy-savile-case-team-seeks-evidence-in-broadmoor-16224332.html#ixzz29LyQ0qOm

Scotland Yard detectives probing the growing list of child abuse claims against Jimmy Savile will visit Broadmoor psychiatric hospital in Berkshire today in a bid to gather new evidence about claims that he sexually assaulted patients at the high-security facility.

The Metropolitan Police's focus on Broadmoor, given the ex-BBC star's lengthy association with the hospital, indicates its determination to ensure that if anyone helped Savile at any point through six decades of alleged abuse, and they are still alive, they will face criminal charges of culpability.

Detectives will probe the administrative background that led to Savile being appointed to head a task force in 1988 that oversaw Broadmoor's work.
:idc:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/oct/15/jimmy-savile-police-broadmoor-rape

The NHS trust that manages Broadmoor secure psychiatric hospital has denied reports that Metropolitan police officers visited the hospital on Monday to examine claims that Jimmy Savile raped and sexually assaulted patients while working there as a volunteer for more than four decades.

The late DJ, who had living quarters at the hospital and a set of keys to the wards, has been accused of assaulting a number of former patients. According to Sky News and a number of newspapers, officers were visiting the hospital to look into the allegations.

But a spokeswoman for West London Mental Health NHS Trust said the reports were untrue.

OK ..... :suspect:

[Livia]

I see the claims for compensation have started to trickle in. I'm sure some money will ease their pain in a way that justice while he was alive never could.

[Omah]

I see the claims for compensation have started to trickle in. I'm sure some money will ease their pain in a way that justice while he was alive never could.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2217169/Jimmy-Savile-BBC-sued-millions-victims.html#ixzz29SLpEyaf

A number of alleged victims have contacted lawyers and could sue any institution that is discovered to have links with Savile's alleged crimes, it was reported.

A partner at Farleys Solicitor told The Sun that the costs could mushroom into millions of pounds worth of compensation.

He said: 'You are looking at a potential cost of millions.'

Liz Dux, a partner at Russell Jones & Walker, is representing some of the alleged victims of Jimmy Savile.

'They may well have grounds to sue on the principles of vicarious liability,' Dux said.

'If Savile was acting as an employee or agent of the BBC or a health organisation, then that organisation with whom he had a close connection can be held vicariously liable.


I'm sure that you're sure but I'm not sure that I'm sure ..... :idc:

[Livia]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2217169/Jimmy-Savile-BBC-sued-millions-victims.html#ixzz29SLpEyaf




I'm sure that you're sure but I'm not sure that I'm sure ..... :idc:

I'm not reading any more links to a newspaper I wouldn't wipe my backside on.

[Omah]

I'm not reading any more links to a newspaper I wouldn't wipe my backside on.

What newspaper would you use for your anal hygiene ?

:conf:

[Livia]

What newspaper would you use for your anal hygiene ?

:conf:

I'd probably print some of your posts and use them, Omah.

[Kizzy]

Oh no.... Far too gritty,may I suggest the telegraph?
Those who read it are used to the smell of ****...

[Omah]

I'd probably print some of your posts and use them, Omah.

That would defeat your objection to certain publications, since the links are embedded ..... :laugh3:

[Omah]

Pictured at the Jersey House of Horrors:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2218517/Jimmy-Savile-pictured-surrounded-children-Jersey-care-home-192-suffered-abuse.html#ixzz29TZlp1G3

A photo has emerged which shows paedophile Jimmy Savile surrounded by children at a Jersey care home where 192 youngsters allegedly suffered abuse.

The Jim'll Fix It star is pictured in the grounds of Haut de la Garenne, posing comfortably on the grass with about 30 children of a variety of ages.

The Jersey home came under intense scrutiny in 2008 after police took statements from 192 alleged victims of historic child abuse at the home.

One hundred and fifty one alleged abusers were identified following the three year probe and seven were successfully prosecuted.

Savile has always denied he was a regular visitor at the home and when The Sun published this photograph in 2008 his lawyers tried to put a block on it, the newspaper said.

Last week, the former head of the Jersey child abuse investigation Lenny Harper said there was 'no reason to doubt' that Savile indecently assaulted girls there.

Harper, the Jersey police detective who led a three-year probe, said that Savile's name came up in the initial police inquiry four years ago.

:suspect:

[Omah]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4591686/jimmy-saviles-top-of-the-pops-paedo-ring.html#ixzz29U21fonx

FOUR Top of the Pops staff who worked with shamed star Jimmy Savile have also been named as child abusers, The Sun can reveal.

The men, one a cameraman, were alleged to be involved in the paedophile scandal by callers to a leading abuse victims’ charity.

The National Association for People Abused in Childhood has received a staggering 2,000 calls offering information since details of Savile’s decades preying on youngsters began to emerge.

Acting operations manager Jon Bird said witnesses claimed Savile had an “inner-circle” — some working on Top of the Pops, the long-running BBC show that helped make him a household name.

He went on: “All the evidence we are hearing points that way.

“One woman, who used to be a dancer, says there were at least three members of backstage staff at Top of the Pops who used to take young girls to parties, where horrific and inappropriate things took place.

“We also heard an allegation about one of the cameramen.”

Jon said no famous names connected with the show were mentioned and none of the men concerned were presenters.

:eek:

[Marcus.]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4591686/jimmy-saviles-top-of-the-pops-paedo-ring.html#ixzz29U21fonx



:eek:

wow where willl this end

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/16/article-2218517-15884D2A000005DC-906_636x473.jpg

Rot In hell

[Mystic Mock]

How much did this guy really do fgs? and nobody done anything to stop him either.

[arista]

No the Fecking BBC Protected him.

[Marcus.]

he thought we was untouchable

[Mystic Mock]

he thought we was untouchable

Tbf we haven't done anything wrong.:joker:

Being serious though I get what your saying and in a way he was untouchable as he will never pay for these crimes at all sadly.

Although at least his dead so he can't hurt anymore children.

[Marcus.]

Tbf we haven't done anything wrong.:joker:

Being serious though I get what your saying and in a way he was untouchable as he will never pay for these crimes at all sadly.

Although at least his dead so he can't hurt anymore children.

yes well said

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19970059
The BBC has appointed former Appeal Court judge Dame Janet Smith, the judge who led the inquiry into serial killer Harold Shipman, and ex-Sky News boss Nick Pollard to lead two inquiries into the late Jimmy Savile.

Dame Janet will look into the culture and practices of the BBC during the years Jimmy Savile worked there.

Mr Pollard will examine Newsnight's shelving of an investigation into why police dropped a sexual abuse probe.

The BBC has been criticised for not calling Savile's behaviour into question and flagging up any abuse allegations during his long career at the corporation, during which he presented several television shows including Top of the Pops and Jim'll Fix It.

Dame Janet's inquiry will include evidence from people who have made allegations about being sexually abused by Savile on BBC premises or while on location for the corporation.

And it will hear from those who claim they raised concerns either formally or informally about his activities.

She will also look at "the extent to which BBC personnel were or ought to have been aware of unlawful and/or inappropriate conduct by Jimmy Savile on BBC premises or on location for the BBC".

The review will examine whether BBC culture enabled "the sexual abuse of children to continue unchecked". She will be assisted by an expert in child safeguards.

Legal support

The Pollard Review, which is being treated as a matter of urgency, will seek to establish whether there were any "failings" in the BBC's decision to drop the Newsnight investigation.

The programme had been looking into the CPS and Surrey Police's decision to drop an investigation of abuse claims against Savile.

It will also look at the BBC's handling of material which might have been of interest to the police. Mr Pollard will be given legal support independent of BBC management.

There has been speculation that it was dropped because the BBC was already planning to run more favourable programmes, claims which it has repeatedly denied.

No further details yet ..... :idc:

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

he thought we was untouchable

Well seems he was if all these are coming out now when the old man is dead.

This is what makes me angry the most. Real justice will not be served. This is why I am tired of new things coming out everyday. BOTTOM LINE!!!!!

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Tbf we haven't done anything wrong.:joker:

Being serious though I get what your saying and in a way he was untouchable as he will never pay for these crimes at all sadly.

Although at least his dead so he can't hurt anymore children.

This brings no solace. For every 1 paedo dead, 4 more emerge :bawling:

[Omah]

For every 1 paedo dead, 4 more emerge

Source/link for that startling statistic ?

:conf:

[Kizzy]

Source/link for that startling statistic ?

:conf:

Oh come on, give the lass a break...
I don't have a mountain of statistics either, but I would say for every 1 we know about there are many we don't..

[Omah]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/my-32-years-with-jimmy-savile-disgraced-1383145

Jimmy Savile’s former PA last night branded the disgraced TV star a manipulative bully who was sly enough to cover his tracks during his sick campaign of abuse against young girls.

And Janet Cope told how the predatory paedophile had an explosive temper that terrified everyone from hospital staff to fundraisers.

The 70-year-old spent 32 years as Mrs Fix-it to Savile, becoming one of his closest confidantes.

Janet initially stuck by him when the allegations of his perverted past surfaced.

But as the trickle turned to a torrent, she conceded that even she may have been duped.

Janet said: “Sadly, the evidence against Jim does seem a bit overwhelming and, really, I’m at a loss for words. He thought he was untouchable because he was hand in glove with the hospitals, royalty and the Prime Minister.”

She revealed he was totally without emotion, did not care if he hurt others and loved wielding power.

Was Savile the Devil Incarnate ...... :eek:

[Mystic Mock]

Oh come on, give the lass a break...
I don't have a mountain of statistics either, but I would say for every 1 we know about there are many we don't..

Agreed but it's good to know that one of them is gone.

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2012/10/16/198519/default/v1/daily-mirror-front-page-1-329x437.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2012/10/16/198525/default/v1/the-sun-front-page-1-329x437.jpg

[Livia]

Wasn't Jonathan King a celebrity? And Gary Glitter of course... how come no one was intimidated by their fame, and they were able to be prosecuted during their lifetime?

[Omah]

Wasn't Jonathan King a celebrity? And Gary Glitter of course... how come no one was intimidated by their fame, and they were able to be prosecuted during their lifetime?

In JK's case, hundreds of underage boys WERE buggered and intimidated, over a period of FOUR decades until JK was, accidentally, exposed (with corroborating evidence) while, AFAIK, GG's crime was impersonal, consisting of collecting child pornography, and again, accidentally, exposed (solely on evidence) .....

Naturally, there is much more detail available to you on the internet .....

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-19974841

A hospital cafe called "Jimmy's" after Jimmy Savile will be given a new name, it has been confirmed.

The cafe at Stoke Mandeville Hospital in Aylesbury was opened by Savile in 2005 following his years of fundraising for the spinal injuries unit.

Volunteering charity WRVS, which runs Jimmy's, said it had agreed with the hospital to rename it Cafe@WRVS.

WRVS told the BBC last week it was considering a name change in the wake of the scandal, which has included at least one alleged assault at Stoke Mandeville.

David McCullough, chief executive at WRVS, said: "WRVS and Stoke Mandeville Hospital have agreed that Jimmy's Cafe will be renamed Cafe@WRVS, aligning it with other WRVS cafes across the country."

A spokeswoman added it would change the sign, which is white neon and in the shape of Savile's signature, "as soon as possible".

Good

[Livia]

Still no actual evidence though, no?

[Kizzy]

So the witness statements of many many victims is not enough?
Where do you suggest this comes from, as jimmys DNA has long since been washed from the hands of these then children now adults?
The physical evidence may be gone however this does not make the crime any less real.

[Omah]

Still no actual evidence though, no?

There's enough to convict him in a Crown Court and put him away for years ..... :pipe:

[Ammi]

There's enough to convict him in a Crown Court and put him away for years ..... :pipe:

LOL Omah...that was funny..

[Omah]

LOL Omah...that was funny..

He'd have to turn up (or be dug up) for trial, of course ..... ;)

[Kizzy]

I don't see anything funny, even Frankie Boyle would struggle to find the humour in this subject.

[arista]

"A TV director reported Savile
to BBC bosses decades ago - when he caught
the star having sex with a 15 or 16-year-old girl in his dressing room"

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2218932/BBC-covered-second-national-treasure-child-abuser-known-Uncle-Dick-claims-John-Simpson.html#ixzz29ZL74WvF


The Fecking BBC are Guilty

[Livia]

"A TV director reported Savile
to BBC bosses decades ago - when he caught
the star having sex with a 15 or 16-year-old girl in his dressing room"

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2218932/BBC-covered-second-national-treasure-child-abuser-known-Uncle-Dick-claims-John-Simpson.html#ixzz29ZL74WvF


The Fecking BBC are Guilty

A 15 year old of a 16 year old? It makes a big difference.

[arista]

"A 15 year old of a 16 year old? It makes a big difference."

Yes , but there are so many younger than that.
Even a 9 year old boy.

The Public Fund the BBC
for them to cover this up is Criminal

[Livia]

"A 15 year old of a 16 year old? It makes a big difference."

Yes , but there are so many younger than that.
Even a 9 year old boy.

The Public Fund the BBC
for them to cover this up is Criminal

I still want to know why they all stayed quiet till he died, bearing in mind other famous people had been exposed and prosecuted as paedophiles.

[Omah]

I still want to know why they all stayed quiet till he died, bearing in mind other famous people had been exposed and prosecuted as paedophiles.

"they all" didn't stay quiet - complaints were raised at several points - by victims, carers, concerned colleagues, etc, to managers, administrators, police forces and even a ship's captain - but those at the top let down those at the bottom ..... :sad:

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19980979

The Department of Health is to appoint a former barrister to oversee its investigation into Sir Jimmy Savile, the prime minister's spokesman said.

He said Kate Lampard would "ensure rigour and consistency" in probes at Stoke Mandeville Hospital, Leeds General Infirmary, Broadmoor and inside the Department of Health.

Good

[Kizzy]

"they all" didn't stay quiet - complaints were raised at several points - by victims, carers, concerned colleagues, etc, to managers, administrators, police forces and even a ship's captain - but those at the top let down those at the bottom ..... :sad:

Don't bother... It has been adressed many times in the media that there were many complaints to various police forces in the past.
The papers were poised to expose and were overridden at the last minute, some can be given fact after fact and still refuse to see what is under their nose, why is anyones guess.

[CharlieO]

can this just all go away

[Omah]

can this just all go away

It's here to stay for at least the next few months ..... :idc:

[Livia]

"they all" didn't stay quiet - complaints were raised at several points - by victims, carers, concerned colleagues, etc, to managers, administrators, police forces and even a ship's captain - but those at the top let down those at the bottom ..... :sad:

Then presumably there will be some evidence for a proper inquiry and the hysterical trial by tabloids can take a back seat.

[Omah]

Then presumably there will be some evidence for a proper inquiry and the hysterical trial by tabloids can take a back seat.

AFAIK, there are now at least FOUR inquiries - the Met-led police inquiry, two at the BBC and now the NHS inquiry .....

[Kizzy]

But anyone who reads or watches the news would know that right?

[Omah]

But anyone who reads or watches the news would know that right?

You'd think so ..... ;)

[AnnieK]

I do think now there should be an end to all the media speculation and let the enquiries gather their evidence and help the victims. The world now knows about the allegations and monstrous things that have allegedly happened so it's time that this disappeared from the media to protect the victims and get them the closure they need without media hounding. IMO new stories every day serve no purpose other than to sicken us. The enquiries should be completed and then thise definitive findings be released for public consumption.

[Livia]

AFAIK, there are now at least FOUR inquiries - the Met-led police inquiry, two at the BBC and now the NHS inquiry .....

Are these inquiries publishing their findings day by day so the public can lap up and paw over all the salacious details? Or are they looking at all the available evidence first to allow them to reach a considered conclusion?

Maybe you and others on here are privvy to some kind of inside knowlege, where you have access to the facts before they are made public?

[Livia]

I do think now there should be an end to all the media speculation and let the enquiries gather their evidence and help the victims. The world now knows about the allegations and monstrous things that have allegedly happened so it's time that this disappeared from the media to protect the victims and get them the closure they need without media hounding. IMO new stories every day serve no purpose other than to sicken us. The enquiries should be completed and then thise definitive findings be released for public consumption.

My favourite post of the thread so far.

[Omah]

Are these inquiries publishing their findings day by day so the public can lap up and paw over all the salacious details? Or are they looking at all the available evidence first to allow them to reach a considered conclusion?

Yes

Maybe you and others on here are privvy to some kind of inside knowlege, where you have access to the facts before they are made public?

No

[Omah]

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/277587/Jimmy-Savile-wanted-own-school/

SHAMED Jimmy Savile tried to buy a girls school and open a holiday home for needy children.

The serial child sex abuser attempted to convince charity fundraisers to help him find the cash.

He wanted to turn the old school into a short-stay lodge to give deprived youngsters country breaks, but locals in Axminster, Devon, refused to stump up the money.

Last night, one charity worker said in light of the paedophile revelations stacking up against the late Jim’ll Fix It host they may have had a lucky escape.

He sat in the back of the star’s white Rolls-Royce outside the former Shute School For Girls as Savile outlined his plans.

The former DJ homed in on Axminster after being invited to take part in a sponsored walk for the Royal Devon and Exeter Hospital’s body scanner appeal in the mid-70s.

Although he did not take part, he kept in touch with contacts in the area and pounced when he learned the school was for sale in 1974.

Lucky indeed !

[Livia]

Your first reply gives a 'yes' answer to both options of the same query so therefore makes no sense at all. In any case, I'm happy for the law to take over now, and distance myself from the over-excited gossips and tabloid scribblers so they can to continue to devour every little detail (whether factual or not, it doesn't seem to matter) with their usual glee.

[Omah]

Your first reply gives a 'yes' answer to both options of the same query so therefore makes no sense at all. In any case, I'm happy for the law to take over now, and distance myself from the over-excited gossips and tabloid scribblers so they can to continue to devour every little detail (whether factual or not, it doesn't seem to matter) with their usual glee.

Were it not for the "over-excited gossips and tabloid scribblers", the "law" would have done nothing ..... :rolleyes:

[Omah]

http://www.eveningnews24.co.uk/news/woman_who_met_jimmy_savile_in_dereham_tells_of_dir ty_old_man_1_1660518

The woman first met Savile while she was staying at Garfield House, a children’s home at Dereham in Norfolk, although Savile is not alleged to have abused her at the home.

She was later moved to an approved school in Surrey where she and other girls were visited by Savile.

She said: “We thought it was fantastic.

“Jimmy Savile was a huge TV star. He would come with gifts, cigarettes, which were the currency of the time.”

But she alleged girls would go to Savile’s car and do “sexual favours for him”. She said: “We all knew what was going on. We would laugh among ourselves and say ‘oh, he is a dirty old man’.”

Savile would also regularly take them to see the filming of his Saturday night variety show Clunk Click at BBC Television Centre in London.

She said: “We would go to his dressing room, meet celebrities, the alcohol was flowing. There would be about eight or 10 girls in the dressing room, however many fitted in the minibus. Somebody would be on Jimmy Savile’s lap, he would have had his hand up her jumper, up her skirt.”

A spokesman for Norfolk County Council, which runs Garfield House - a long-term residential home for young people aged between 13 and 17 years, said: “We would encourage anyone who wishes to raise concerns - no matter how historic - to come forward and contact the police. We cannot comment on individual cases”.

Fags'n'booze to vulnerable teens in a BBC studio ..... :hmph:

[Kizzy]

Not sure why this is such an issue for some, the media coverage is in no way affecting any ongoing investigation.
Those who initially regarded victims as at best opportunists and at worst liars are being proved wrong.
As facts are uncovered daily this cobweb widens, if while watching the 10PM news this case is reported there is the option to switch off?

[Livia]

Were it not for the "over-excited gossips and tabloid scribblers", the "law" would have done nothing ..... :rolleyes:

That is not true. Suggesting the tabloids are saving the day here, and that it's not all about making money and selling papers is blinkered, in the least.

All most people have asked for is evidence, something that can be considered in an inquiry. Somewhere people can be questioned about their allegations in a professional way. That is happening. That's good. I said early in the thread that my mind would be changed by some evidence. I don't think I'm alone in that. Blaming the law is a little lame. Ask some people who were around during the seventies and eighties, what they would have done if he'd assaulted a child or relative of theirs and see how intimidated most people would have been about confronting him and pressing charges.

[Kizzy]

Complaints were logged though, and it is being suggested the police failed to act.
Surrey police recently launched their own IPCC inquiry, nobody will be privvy to any evidence that would compromise the whole case surely?
The way the media has reported this depends on what you read obviously, from what I have read it has been sensitive and respectful to the victims as well as jimmys relatives.

[Omah]

That is not true. Suggesting the tabloids are saving the day here, and that it's not all about making money and selling papers is blinkered, in the least.

Who opened the can of worms ?

Not the "law", not the government, not the BBC, not the NHS, not the child protection services ......

All most people have asked for is evidence, something that can be considered in an inquiry. Somewhere people can be questions about their allegations in a professional way. That is happening. That's good. I said early in the thread that my mind would be changed by some evidence. I don't think I'm alone in that. Blaming the law is a little lame.

Most people, including all the organisations above (who are implicated in the scandal) don't need "evidence" to accept that Savile was a sordid serial child abuser and sex-fiend .....

Ask some people who were around during the seventies and eighties, what they would have done if he'd assaulted a child or relative of theirs and see how intimidated most people would have been about confronting him and pressing charges.

Erm, isn't that what the victims have been saying, that, before the ITV program, your "most people" would have called them liars ..... it seems that now even you accept that Savile was a manipulative bully .....



01-10-2012, 02:59 PM

How come then, that no one spoke out during his lifetime? I mean, was he so scary and powerful? How come everyone now knows that it was true because it was " creepy" and yet no one thought it was right to put a stop to it while it was happening? Or is now now an easy target because he can't clear his own name?

If so many people now have evidence that he was guilty, by not submitting it at the time surely they are guilty of attempting to pervert the course of justice by withholding evidence.

[Omah]

Complaints were logged though, and it is being suggested the police failed to act.

I'm not suggesting that the police failed to act - I'm accusing certain police forces of protecting Savile and allowing him to violate (probably) hundreds of children.

[Livia]

Who opened the can of worms ?

Not the "law", not the government, not the BBC, not the NHS, not the child protection services ......


Most people, including all the organisations above (who are implicated in the scandal) don't need "evidence" to accept that Savile was a sordid serial child abuser and sex-fiend .....


Erm, isn't that what the victims have been saying, that, before the ITV program, your "most people" would have called them liars ..... it seems that now even you accept that Savile was a manipulative bully .....

I think I've said everything that I need to say to state my position on this. Flattered though I am that you've had the inclination - not to mention surprised that you’ve had the time - to read back through my posts and pick out little bits to quote, it leaves me surprised that you still don't find my position clear. I’m not churning it all out again, that would be pointless, so until there’s some kind of finding from the inquiries I don’t think I have anything more to add.

[Omah]

I think I've said everything that I need to say to state my position on this. Flattered though I am that you've had the inclination - not to mention surprised that you’ve had the time - to read back through my posts and pick out little bits to quote, it leaves me surprised that you still don't find my position clear.

Links are my speciality - and I quoted the whole post, so the context confirmed your U-turn re JS ..... ;)

[Kizzy]

I'm not suggesting that the police failed to act - I'm accusing certain police forces of protecting Savile and allowing him to violate (probably) hundreds of children.

Wow...thats some can of worms :)
The three wise monkeys approach isn't always wise, the truth will out.

[Omah]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4595906/Royal-Marines-destroy-Savile-memories.html#ixzz29fjok5Rm

OUTRAGED Royal Marines have wiped out all traces of sex predator Jimmy Savile from their world-famous commando base.

Savile had a long-standing affiliation with the Marines and was awarded the highly-coveted Green Beret in 1966.

He was even buried with the illustrious commando cap – awarded to him after a gruelling 30-mile march across Dartmoor with heavy kit – when he died last October aged 84.

But as the Savile sex storm intensifies, Commando officials have destroyed all remnants of the TV star at their training centre at Lympstone, near Exmouth, Devon.

Lympstone chiefs have stripped the camp’s Savile Room of any connection with the honorary marine, removing a framed photograph of Savile and the room’s nameplate.

Bosses are now holding talks to rename the room – often used for family functions – and eradicate four decades of the vile celebrity.

The serial paedophile DJ proudly maintained links with the corps, often attending their parades and ceremonies right up until his death.

A Royal Marines spokesman said the historic corps was sensitive to public feeling and had responded as the catalogue of horrifying sex attacks emerged.

He said: “The honorary green lid dies with the man so his honorary award doesn’t exist. It died when he did.

“The renaming of the function suite called the Savile Room is now under consideration and the framed photograph of Savile has recently been removed.

“The room is used for family functions and we are trying to listen to, and be sensitive to, the public and if taking the picture down does that, then we should absolutely do it.”

Savile was awarded the green beret after he his brother Vince, then a serving officer with the Royal Navy, completed an exhausting 30-mile speed march in eight hours.

Among Savile’s possessions auctioned for charity after he died were his Royal Marines flying suit and a bottle of 15-year-old single Highland malt from the Officers Mess at the Marines boot camp.

Savile’s coffin was even carried by Royal Marine pallbearers.

Good

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2012/10/18/198871/default/v1/times-1-329x437.jpg

[Glenn.]

April Jones seems to have been forgotten because of all this ****. Is a sex predator more important than the missing girl?

[Kizzy]

What a horrible thing to say, of course she hasn't.

[Omah]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4597233/Jimmy-Savile-molested-me-at-Mass-in-a-hospital-chapel.html#ixzz29hsEwf4H

A JIMMY Savile victim last night revealed he abused her from age 11 in Stoke Mandeville hospital’s chapel — during MASSES.

The BBC beast would prey on Samantha Brown in a room behind the congregation — brazenly leaving the door open so he could still watch the priest.

Samantha, now a mum of three, is convinced the fear he might have been spotted gave the Jim’ll Fix it star an extra thrill.

She said: “He thought he was God. He did it every time he was in there — more than 20 times over three or four years until I was 15.”

Samantha — a Catholic like Savile — lived near the Buckinghamshire hospital where he was famously a charity volunteer. Her family worshipped at the chapel and she was given the honour of taking charge of the collection plate during Mass. It meant going to the back to fetch it.

Married Samantha, 45, said: “Savile used to stand in the separate little room during Mass — and I had to go in there to get the offering plate while the service was going on. It was horrible. I used to hate it.”

She told how her heart sank whenever she spotted a £20 note left on the plate — Savile’s donation. Samantha said: “It was a lot of money in those days.

“I knew what was going to happen before I walked through the door. I just tried to get in and out as quickly as possible.”

She said the paedo would grope her “everywhere”. Samantha — who still lives in the area — recalled: “It was so blatant it made you even more afraid to say anything.

“I thought it was my fault. Eventually I stopped going to church because of him.” She kept her hell a secret for decades — but is now among an army of women to come forward exposing the late Top Of The Pops DJ’s depravity.

Samantha said: “It was only after everything started to come out that I could tell for the first time.

“It completely destroyed my trust in human relationships.”

[Omah]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/tv-radio/bbc-scraps-teen-models-show-as-jimmy-savile-row-grows-8217389.html

A documentary exposing the abuse and sexual exploitation of under-age models was withdrawn from the BBC's schedule amid heightened sensitivities over the Jimmy Savile affair.

The Storyville film, Girl Model, which was due to be shown on BBC2 on Wednesday night, followed a 13-year-old girl on her journey from Siberia to Tokyo, where she had been promised a career as a model.

The documentary was described as an unflinching exposé of the shocking supply of ever-younger girls to the Japanese modelling industry.

It was previously screened on BBC4 in June, but the corporation said it had been dropped the from BBC2 schedule "in the light of sensitivities surrounding recent events".

The last-minute decision to cancel the film reflects an atmosphere of caution at the BBC following allegations that Savile lured under-age girls by promising them audience tickets for his shows and then assaulted them on BBC premises.

Wise

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20006049

The Metropolitan Police have launched a "formal criminal investigation" into alleged incidences of sexual abuse by the late Sir Jimmy Savile.

Scotland Yard said more than 400 lines of inquiry had been "assessed" and over 200 potential victims of the former BBC DJ and presenter had been identified.

Cdr Peter Spindler described the number of victims who have come forward as "staggering".

He added the sexual exploitation had occurred during the victims' childhood.

Scotland Yard said the investigation - dubbed Operation Yewtree - moved from an assessment to a criminal investigation after detectives established there are lines of inquiry involving "living people that require formal investigation".

Cdr Spindler said the response from the public had been "astounding".

He added: "We are dealing with alleged abuse on an unprecedented scale. The profile of this operation has empowered a staggering number of victims to come forward to report the sexual exploitation which occurred during their childhood.

"I am pleased that victims feel confident enough to speak out about the abuse they suffered and would like to reassure the public that we take all these cases very seriously and they will be investigated with the utmost sensitivity."

It just gets worse ..... :sad:

[Alf]

all those that knew and kept quiet should all go to prison

[Omah]

http://news.sky.com/story/999869/jimmy-savile-inquiry-now-criminal-investigaton

Peter Watt, head of the NSPCC's helpline, said: "It's now looking possible that Jimmy Savile was one the most prolific sex offenders the NSPCC has ever come across.

"We have received over 136 calls directly relating to allegations against him which we've passed to the police.

"We are also finding more and more people coming forward and reporting unrelated abuse after hearing the victims in this case speak out. Many are only just doing so after years of keeping it to themselves."

[Sticks]

Sorry but in English law at least a person is considered innocent unless proven guilty in a fair trial. Since Mr Saville is now dead, he can not be put on trial, so he can not be pronounced guilty in law of any of these alleged offences. If people who are alive are put on trial that is a different matter, but only limited to them, and not the late Mr Saville.

[Omah]

Sorry but in English law at least a person is considered innocent unless proven guilty in a fair trial. Since Mr Saville is now dead, he can not be put on trial, so he can not be pronounced guilty in law of any of these alleged offences. If people who are alive are put on trial that is a different matter, but only limited to them, and not the late Mr Saville.

Yeah, but everyone now and henceforward will know that Sleazy Savile was a serial child-abuser and not the saint that he made himself out to be, and which most of the gullible British public (and members of the Establishment and Royal Family) believed he was ..... :hmph:

History is being rewritten - Savile was never "innocent" - he was obviously born a devil incarnate with a prediliction for violating the "innocent" - having, presumably, gone to Hell, he can rot there while his life, and grave, are terminally trashed ..... :hmph:

[microscope]

I have been watching the news day by day probably like most people on this forum and each day there is more news about the late Sir Jimmy Saville and all the bad things he did in regards to children, mainly 13, 14 and 15 years of age. But the one thing that comes to peoples minds is why didn't he get reported while he was still alive, especially as there is so many apparent victims all coming forward now with their stories of what he did to them. It's all very suspect?

If you went back just 10 years ago to 2002 before the politically-correct-nanny-state-culture which has taken over our world to the extent it is today. If you heard that an older man looked or showed interest in someone below the age of '18' years of age, but no younger than '13', then you may look upon that as being a bit weird or you could class that person as a 'cradle snatcher', which had nothing to do with 'paedophelia' back then unlike it is today to the majority of people. Celebrity Kerry Katona only commented recently that she felt that Jimmy Savile was a pervert just by the way he looked at her. The word 'Perv' obviously meaning 'Paedophile' these days. Even though they are both adults and large age-gaps in relationships isn't illegal yet. Although one day I'm sure it will be, the way things are going...

But if you go back to 1984 there was a 14 year old Mandy Smith with a 48 year old Bill Wyman as shown here :- http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1266664/Mandy-Smith-I-DID-sleep-Bill-Wyman-I-14--man-life-God.html

And as you can read within that article. Bill would be treated a lot worse today. In fact locked up and life ruined...over!!

So you can imagine what was going through the mind of celebrities such as Jimmy Savile at that time. If Bill can do it then why not them? If you were caught having sex with someone underage back then, then you would be breaking the law and end up in court for it, just like if you stabbed somebody. But it wasn't looked upon as serious as it is today. Today it's classed a million times worse by the majority! And if a pop star was caught kissing a 14 year old groupie who was probably a jail-bait-bitch anyway and loved every minute of it, then do you really expect the police or the courts to do much about it when it wasn't deemed so bad huh?? of course not!. And thats why he got away with it...simples...

[Glenn.]

What a horrible thing to say, of course she hasn't.

I haven't seen ONE news report since all this bollocks about Saville.

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2012/10/19/199011/default/v1/independent-october-20-1-329x437.jpg

[Nedusa]

I bet all the Celebs who back in the day used to hang around with Savile are now quaking in their boots as it looks now like this is now a criminal investigation and as we know the press will keep digging away at this story until they find...... ???

[Omah]

His great niece reveals the scandal's most sickening twist yet - and how he bribed his sister to cover it up

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2220413/Jimmy-Savile-How-Savile-abused-sisters-grandchild-His-great-niece-reveals-scandals-sickening-twist--bribed-sister-cover-up.html#ixzz29p4Yn5w0

Caroline Robinson recalls how she was sexually assaulted by Jimmy Savile TWICE

Her admission that even she, a family member, was a victim of his depravity is a chilling one. Caroline was molested twice by him: once when she was just 12 and again three years later.

But equally unsettling is her revelation that Savile bought the silence of close members of his family circle by bribing them with lavish gifts and money. Her grandmother Marjorie Marsden, Savile’s elder sister, knew he had abused Caroline, and, she believes, Marjorie was also well aware he was a prolific and predatory paedophile. But she refused to confront her famous brother because she knew that if Savile were brought to book, the comfortable lifestyle he provided for her would end.

Uncle Jimmy gave Marjorie everything she wanted,’ says Caroline. ‘She was interested in Egyptology, so he bought her a house on the Nile. When she divorced, he paid for the best lawyer. He paid for her to live in a smart BUPA care home near his flat in Roundhay Park in Leeds just before she died in 2006

‘She had private medical insurance and a cottage in Llandudno, courtesy of Jimmy; he bought her a caravan on the coast there. If Marjorie had blabbed, Jimmy would have had nothing. No fame, no money. In fact, he’d have been in jail. And Marjorie would have had nothing, too.

When Savile first assaulted Caroline, she was a shy, self-effacing 12-year-old. Sweet-faced and blonde, she had a pronounced stammer; even so, she was excited when her mother June, a barmaid, and father, Nick, a bus driver, announced that Uncle Jimmy would be making a rare visit to their modest council house in Seacroft, Leeds.

‘He came into our sitting room, wearing his usual shell-suit and vest, smoking a cigar. The smell of cigar smoke permeated him. He kissed my hand. It was his trademark greeting and I remember feeling ten feet tall.’

‘Jimmy patted his knee because he wanted me to sit there, which I did. He placed me very deliberately in the centre of his lap. ‘I was innocent, unaware of the facts of life, and I remember thinking, “There’s something hard in his trousers”.

‘I remember feeling his hands rubbing my back. It wasn’t an innocent stroke or brush of the hand — he was pressing his fingers into my back and down my spine until they reached my knickers.

‘Then he pushed them under the elastic and rested them on my buttocks.

‘The extraordinary thing is the room was full, but no one seemed to notice what he was doing. My grandma was sitting opposite us. She must have seen, but she didn’t intervene.

‘I knew it felt uncomfortable, wrong. I pulled away and said I wanted to go to the toilet. Then I went into my bedroom and burst into tears. I remember thinking: “I can’t tell Mum and Dad because they won’t believe Uncle Jimmy would do that.”

‘Later Grandmamma asked me why I’d been crying. I said: “Uncle Jimmy put his hand in my knickers.” She told me not to be silly. Then I said: “He touched my bottom,” and she said: “Jimmy doesn’t mean anything by it.” So she knew.

‘She said: “I’ll have a talk to Jimmy.” Not another word was said after that. She was the head of the household.’

It was not until another family party — this one at the Mansion Hotel in Leeds — that Caroline encountered her great uncle again: she was 15 and he had agreed to DJ for the evening.

Caroline felt repulsed, wary, but recalls: ‘I was there with my boyfriend Peter and I didn’t think Jimmy would be a threat.’

Next, Caroline remembers, the mood of the evening became darker. ‘Mum said to me: “Take some food to Uncle Jimmy,” and I resisted. I was trembling.’ Cajoled by her mother, she went.

She has a graphic recollection of the repulsive assault that followed.

‘I went up to the DJ’s booth and proffered the plate. Jimmy pushed me into a recess behind the booth. He cornered me; I was trapped. I can still summon up the smell of him; his cigars and a sweet, sickly girls’ perfume.

‘I remember it was noisy and he was whispering: “What can Uncle Jimmy do for you?” I said: “Get off me!”

I struggled but it just seemed to make him more excited. ‘You hear about people being actually raped who just go along with it, just so it will be over quicker. And that’s what I did. I stopped resisting. He was a strong man; wiry, fit. I was a schoolgirl of 15.

‘When it was over, I ran outside. I remember being sick. Then I went into the hotel toilets and scrubbed myself. I didn’t tell anyone; not Peter or my parents. Peter went home. I went home with Mum and Dad, and Jimmy just disappeared, as he always did. I remember lying in the bath and scrubbing myself. I felt I couldn’t get clean; I couldn’t get Jimmy’s smell off me.”’

If I could dig him up, I’d let the crows feed on him.’


Just ..... :sad:

[Jake.]

:bored:

[Nedusa]

Is there no end to this story, to what further depths of depravity are we going to be taken ?? I can't help thinking a lot of people must have been complicit in some of these activities as the sheer scale and number of victims is breathtaking . There must have been a few people in reasonably high positions of power who not only knew about Savile's activities but actually covered up large parts of it by paying off victims. Who knows perhaps some of these people actually facilitated some of these incidents.

That's where this story is heading and it could prove to be a potentially explosive
expose...!!!

[Omah]

Is there no end to this story, to what further depths of depravity are we going to be taken ?? I can't help thinking a lot of people must have been complicit in some of these activities as the sheer scale and number of victims is breathtaking . There must have been a few people in reasonably high positions of power who not only knew about Savile's activities but actually covered up large parts of it by paying off victims. Who knows perhaps some of these people actually facilitated some of these incidents.

That's where this story is heading and it could prove to be a potentially explosive expose...!!!

Yeah, so far we've seen the tip of the iceberg ..... :idc:

[Pyramid*]

Nah. still don't 'buy it'.

Perhaps the reason all these folk kept 'schtoom'.... was because their were PAID to keep schtoom.......... stranger things have happened in life. and it is SO VERY EASY to lay the blame on one party, having cashed the cheque, having banked the money: when the offending party is dead, making food for the worms and cannot defend themselves.


If those that were abused felt to bad about it: why keep their mouths shut unti the man died? Possibly: just possibly: becuase they were paid to keep their mouths shut, but Mr JS isn't here to prove that?


there's a little thought for you....................

Who paid them?

Let's have proof of THAT allegation ..... :pipe:

Any link with tangible evidence will do ..... :laugh2:

His great niece reveals the scandal's most sickening twist yet - and how he bribed his sister to cover it up

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2220413/Jimmy-Savile-How-Savile-abused-sisters-grandchild-His-great-niece-reveals-scandals-sickening-twist--bribed-sister-cover-up.html#ixzz29p4Yn5w0



Just ..... :sad:

Patience is a virtue, I knew if folk waited long enough, there would be some admission of some alleged victims keeping their mouths shut because they accepted the price they paid.

Here, I provide you with the proof that you asked 400 odd post or so back.... ironic that you actually have provided the 'proof' yourself though.:laugh2:

A bribe doesn't work on it's own. It takes as least two to turn an 'offer' into a accepted bribe.

'Microscope' has provided very good reasoning for what may be far closer to the truth in all of this sordid saga.

[Omah]

Patience is a virtue, I knew if folk waited long enough, there would be some admission of some alleged victims keeping their mouths shut because they accepted the price they paid.

Here, I provide you with the proof that you asked 400 odd post or so back.... ironic that you actually have provided the 'proof' yourself though.:laugh2:

A bribe doesn't work on it's own. It takes as least two to turn an 'offer' into a accepted bribe.

'Microscope' has provided very good reasoning for what may be far closer to the truth in all of this sordid saga.

Just have the decency to accept that you were wrong, so very wrong ..... :bored:

[Pyramid*]

Just have the decency to accept that you were wrong, so very wrong ..... :bored:

Now I know you have a sense of humour and that pleases me - although this thread is not the place for your humour to shine through, given the seriousness of the topic.

I was the one pointing out a very obvious possibility: there may have been very good reason for them keeping their traps shut....because they benefitted from it then, and (in the case of this particular woman) - she wants to have her cake and eat it too....... and it seems that my hunch was spot on.

You asked for some link to this allegation of mine - I gave it to you, courtesy of your good self.

I have stated all along that whilst I felt 'something was remiss' about JS, that I did not believe it to be as it is being portrayed or to the level of abuse. My view remains that way.

[Omah]

My view remains that way.

Entrenched ..... :shrug:

[Pyramid*]

Entrenched ..... :shrug:


It's called remaining calm & impartial - and being willing to accept all may not be as it initially seems: when others around are in a feeding frenzy over something that has not even had full investigation other than being a trial by media.

[Omah]

It's called remaining calm & impartial - and being willing to accept all may not be as it initially seems: when others around are in a feeding frenzy over something that has not even had full investigation other than being a trial by media.

If you say so ..... :rolleyes:

[Pyramid*]

If you say so ..... :rolleyes:

I do.

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-20014945

A Devon paedophile who is believed to have abused up to 3,500 boys has died in prison, the Ministry of Justice (MoJ) has confirmed.

William Goad, 65, from Plymouth died of "natural causes" overnight at HMP Albany.

The MoJ said: "As with all deaths in custody, the independent Prisons and Probation Ombudsman will conduct an investigation."

Goad was jailed for life in 2004 for sexual offences over a 35 year period.

'Predatory' paedophile

Goad, who ran shops and market stalls, was jailed for 14 serious sex offences and two counts of indecent assault following a court case in 2004 in which he was described as a "voracious, calculating, predatory and violent homosexual paedophile".

Plymouth Crown Court was told he groomed his victims by offering them well-paid jobs in his shops and inviting them back to his home.

The court was told he once boasted of beating his own "record" of sexually abusing 142 boys in one year - a claim denied by the defendant.

Goad abused some of his victims three to four times a week for two to three years.

He was jailed for life, with a six-year minimum term, in 2004.

Not famous, not rich and not well-connected but, like Savile, he got away with child abuse for decades ..... :mad:

So what kept 3,500 children quiet for years, if there was no money and no celebrity by association ..... :puzzled:

[Omah]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/jimmy-savile/9620223/Jimmy-Savile-He-was-the-tip-of-the-iceberg.html

The shocking revelations of Savile’s depraved behaviour have, to the relief of the Jersey abuse victims, refocused attention on Haut de la Garenne. In their view, it confirms their claims that the home was at the heart of a well-protected paedophile ring.

Allegations against Savile and other famous and powerful people were made during the 2008 inquiry. Earlier this week, the Telegraph revealed that another alleged abuser was the actor Wilfrid Brambell, the “dirty old man” of Steptoe and Son fame. One of two boys whom he abused in a back room at the Jersey Opera House in the Seventies was from Haut de la Garenne.

The States of Jersey Police have confirmed that an Haut de la Garenne resident had alleged abuse by Savile in the mid-Seventies during the 2008 inquiry, but said there had been insufficient evidence for an investigation to proceed. The authority has also confirmed that three more victims of Savile on Jersey have contacted them in recent days.

Carrie Modral, chair of the Jersey Care Leavers’ Association, a charity run by people who have spent time in care, says: “It’s good that the Savile scandal is making people think more about what happened here. But why have the States of Jersey only admitted it about Savile now? Because he’s dead and he can’t talk or bring down all the other big names. Their view would be that we, the survivors, keep going on about celebrities abusing kids at Haut de la Garenne, so OK, 'Here’s one, he’s dead and he can’t talk.’ But Savile was just the tip of the iceberg.”

Lenny Harper agrees: “Savile chose his victims with great care; vulnerable and often troubled youngsters many in care homes. If they complained they were labelled troublemakers, or brutally put down. We know from court cases and statements made to my team [during the 2008 inquiry] that children in Jersey care homes were 'loaned out’ to members of the yachting fraternity and other prominent citizens on the pretence of recreational trips but during which they were savagely abused and often raped.

“When these children complained they were beaten and locked in cellars [at Haut de la Garenne], which the Jersey authorities denied existed in 2008, but which can still be seen on YouTube footage. What chance did they have? This would have been the perfect hunting ground for Savile. The great and good of Jersey fawn over anyone with even loose connections to British royalty. Saville would have been a VIP to them and children would not have stood a dog’s chance of complaining about him. It would have been so easy for him.”

[Omah]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/jimmy-savile/9623089/Jimmy-Savile-Questions-for-Edwina-Currie-and-the-BBC.html

The scandal of how Sir Jimmy Savile was able to abuse young girls for decades deepened last night after a Sunday Telegraph investigation implicated both former government ministers and executives at the BBC.

A Sunday Telegraph investigation today reveals:

* Edwina Currie appointed Savile to run a taskforce in charge of Broadmoor in the 1980s, where he is accused of sexually assaulting patients;

* the taskforce he presided over was given temporary powers to oversee the running of the hospital following a series of industrial disputes - despite the fact Savile, a disc jockey and television presenter, had no professional qualifications;

* a friend of Savile’s from his hometown in Leeds was then given the most senior job at Broadmoor;

* the BBC investigated a lurid sex scandal at Top of the Pops and Radio 1 in the early 1970s, but never made the report public;

* Savile was interviewed by the BBC as part of that inquiry but refused to cooperate, according to a senior source.

Savile, despite having no expertise in mental health, was given the job of chairman of the taskforce overseeing Broadmoor in 1988 after the hospital had been placed under direct control of the Thatcher government following a series of strikes.

Mrs Currie at the time was health minister with responsibility for the country’s high security hospitals under the auspices of Kenneth Clarke, the then-Health Secretary. Savile counted himself as a friend of Margaret Thatcher and reportedly stayed at Chequers on a number of occasions.

Savile had had a long association with Broadmoor, having been a volunteer worker there in the 1970s and 1980s with the unofficial title “honourary entertainments officer”. He had his own set of keys and living quarters on site.

Savile’s appointment to the taskforce is now subject to a Department of Health official inquiry but last night Mrs Currie said: “The Department of Health are digging out the papers from the archives and I just don’t know - I’m ransacking my own notes to try to work out what happened, so I am not denying it, it is just very hard to tell.”

The former minister told The Sunday Telegraph that having checked her personal diaries, she had found a note of a meeting with Savile in Leeds in September 1988 - the month the taskforce was appointed. In the entry she described his thoughts on Broadmoor as “intriguing”.

Mrs Currie recorded that during the meeting Savile had told her that he suspected staff were inflating their salaries - and that he had threatened to pass the information to the tabloid papers if the staff caused him any trouble.

Savile also told her he had uncovered millions of pounds missing from budgets and poor use of the hospital’s housing stock.

“In my diary, I wrote 'Attaboy’, she said. “This was what he claimed to be doing; now it is hard to know whether any of it is true. And obviously when you look back, it does suggest he was prepared to use blackmail to ensure people did what he wanted.”

Mrs Currie, who had previously met Savile on his television programme Jim’ll Fix it and on visits to Leeds General Infirmary, where he also worked, said she now thought the presenter was “totally evil” and that she was glad criminal investigations were underway.

Following Savile’s appointment at Broadmoor, Alan Franey, an administrator who spent 10 years working at Leeds General Infirmary, also began work on the same taskforce, with progress to be reported to Mrs Currie.

In a book about psychiatric care, Mr Franey described having “an unusual meeting” with health officials in the Athenaeum Club in London, where his new role on the temporary taskforce was proposed.

He neglected to mention in the book that Savile, who was a member of the Athenaeum, was also present. When asked by The Sunday Telegraph if Savile was also there, Mr Franey agreed.

In 1989, Mr Franey was put in overall charge of Broadmoor, where he remained for nine years before retiring as chief executive.

Mr Franey worked as an assistant general manager at Leeds General Infirmary from 1975 to 1985, when the television presenter was volunteering as a night porter. Savile is also accused of sexually abusing girls at the Leeds hospital.

Mr Franey said he got to know Savile because they were among half a dozen men who ran charity marathons together. He said: “I am absolutely astonished. There was absolutely no indication that he was doing what was alleged.”

Mr Franey insisted his friendship with Savile did not help him to get the job on the taskforce, and that he later got the job as general manager of Broadmoor through open competition.

Mr Franey took early retirement from Broadmoor following an inquiry into the hospital in March 1997. The inquiry followed claims made in newspapers that a child pornography ring was operating at Broadmoor.

The Broadmoor Triangle ..... :suspect:

[Omah]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jimmy-savile-and-the-ira-predator-boasted-1389710

Savile terrified enemies by snarling that he was mates with **IRA killers who would *cripple anyone who crossed him.

The cunning paedophile used threats of *violence to silence victims and anyone else who *threatened to expose him, *investigators on his case believe.

Today the Sunday People can reveal how Savile once bragged to our journalist how he could fix anyone with just one phone call – to terrorists.

He said: “All I have to do is call my friends in the IRA. They’ll have someone waking up in hospital the next morning eating their breakfast through a *******ing straw.

“I know the IRA, men from the IRA, and you don’t need to ask these guys twice. I’m serious. Don’t *******ing think I’m not serious. I can get them done – just with a phone call. That’s all it takes, young man.”

Incredibly, he was probably telling the truth ..... :eek:

[Omah]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4600828/100-of-Saviles-paedophile-pals-are-hunted.html#ixzz29tjltgUD

VICTIMS of twisted Jimmy Savile are believed to have told police that more than 100 other paedophiles were involved in his attacks.

Cops investigating the disgraced BBC DJ and TV presenter are understood to have been given names or descriptions of the men.

Last night a source told The Sun: “The scale of what has gone on is unbelievable. It must be more than likely that among those names will be some very well known people indeed.”

:idc:

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

I'm tired.

[Omah]

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/278141/Jimmy-Savile-was-tops-with-the-cops/

JIMMY Savile had a close relationship with police – and even received gifts from the force now investigating him for child abuse.

As questions continue over how his vile crimes were kept quiet for six decades, we can reveal his links with police forces across Britain.

At the height of Savile’s campaign of abuse, one even gave him a truncheon and handcuffs as a present.

Evidence uncovered by the Daily Star Sunday shows others, including the Fraud Squad, considered him a pal.

An expensive onyx table lighter was inscribed: “To Jimmy Savile from his friends at the Fraud Squad.”

And in 1979 – as Savile used his celebrity to groom and sexually assault children – the Metropolitan Police gave him a special award.

The force, which is investigating 400 lines of inquiry and the claims of 200 alleged victims, presented him with a 150th anniversary medal.

Officers also gave the now-disgraced DJ, described last week as “one of the most prolific sex offenders”, a wall plaque and his very own inscribed Met police helmet.

In 1974 – the year Savile is said to have molested Karin Ward, 14, and other schoolgirls – Leicestershire police gave him a truncheon, badge and handcuffs on a mahogany base.

The force also presented the pervert, who died last year aged 84, with at least two wall plaques.

Other forces now receiving allegations about the star also gave him awards.

West Yorkshire police, which allegedly investigated Savile in 1958 for “interfering with young girls”, presented him with at least one plaque.

Tayside police, which has been contacted recently by an alleged victim, also gave Savile an award in 1996.

Our inquiries show Savile got at least 14 gifts and awards from police.

West Yorkshire, Tayside, Leicestershire and the Metropolitan Police forces all declined to comment on their association with Savile.

Cops were deluded or colluded?

You decide ..... I already have ..... :suspect:

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20019993

Former health minister Edwina Currie has said she has "nothing to hide" over her involvement in giving Sir Jimmy Savile a role at Broadmoor in 1988.

Mrs Currie, who was a health minister in 1988, said notes on the links between Savile and Broadmoor were in the archives.

She told the BBC: "The Department of Health is currently digging them out... It goes back at least 25 years, even 30 years and isn't just to do with me at all.

"But as and when documents do surface, they should be published in full. I have nothing to hide."

IIRC, she was well-educated but not very bright .....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwina_Currie

Frequently outspoken, she was described as "a virtually permanent fixture on the nation's TV screen saying something outrageous about just about anything"

In September 1986, she became a Junior Health Minister. Among her comments over the next two years were - despite not being religious - that "good Christian people" don't get AIDS, that old people who couldn't afford their heating bills should wrap up warm in winter, and that northerners die of "ignorance and chips".

Currie was forced to resign in December 1988 after she issued a warning about salmonella in British eggs. The statement that "most of the egg production in this country, sadly, is now affected with salmonella" sparked outrage among farmers and egg producers, and caused egg sales in the country to rapidly decline. Although the statement was widely interpreted as referring to "most eggs produced", in fact it related to the egg production flock; there was indeed evidence that a mid-1980s regulation change had allowed salmonella to get a hold in flocks. There was particular anger in Northern Ireland where egg production is a significant part of the economy. At the Christmas party of the Industrial Development Board for Northern Ireland that year the featured dish was curried eggs.

During the 1992 General Election campaign, Currie poured a glass of orange juice over Labour's Peter Snape shortly after an edition of the Midlands based television debate show Central Weekend had finished airing. Speaking about the incident later, Currie said "I just looked at my orange juice, and looked at this man from which this stream of abuse was emanating, and thought 'I know how to shut you up.' " Snape subsequently won £15,000 after Currie "falsely suggested in her memoirs that it happened after Snape had been 'drinking vodka in a club with cronies'."

Currie's Diaries (1987–92), published in 2002, caused a sensation, as they revealed a four-year affair with John Major between 1984 and 1988 while both were married to other people. The affair started while she was a backbencher and Major was the government whip in Margaret Thatcher's government. After Major's promotion to Chief Secretary to the Treasury, the relationship ended, but the two remained friends. Currie apparently ceased the affair when it became dangerous and impractical owing to the presence of bodyguards who had to be avoided.

After publication, John Major made a statement saying that he was ashamed of the affair and had privately revealed the matter to his wife. Currie admitted to having been in love with him for years after the end of the affair, and that he had been "the love of her life". However, only weeks after revealing the affair, she publicly criticised Major, accusing him of sexism and racism and of being "one of the less competent prime ministers".



So there probably is something to hide ..... :suspect:

[Omah]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jimmy-savile-child-abuse-inquiry-1390992

POLICE investigating the Jimmy Savile scandal are expected to arrest friends and associates of the star after new revelations were handed to them.

Investigators who made the bombshell documentary exposing the late paedophile are believed to have received tip-offs and fresh evidence about his inner circle.

The Sunday Mirror understands the revelations relate to people close to DJ Savile in the North West when he was first finding fame in the Sixties.

The new leads are not connected to other celebrities also being investigated by Scotland Yard about child abuse. Police say at least 200 victims have come forward to make claims against the Jim'll Fix It star.

But investigators at ITV's Exposure, who broke the initial story and have handed more evidence to police, say that number could get close to 1,000. A new ITV probe, expected to be screened next month, will throw up "dynamite" new revelations on Savile and his pals

:idc:

[Kazanne]

Edwina Curry wasn't to know about his pachant for young kids,she probably thought as a lot still do that he was a caring chap!

[Ammi]

...as the law states 'innocent until proven guilty', surely he will always remain innocent in the eyes of the law now....

...unless he has a posthumous trial...the last person to have this was Martin Bormann, although at the time of the trial, it hadn't yet been established he was dead....

Bormann was a prominent Nazi official who hid with Hitler in the final days of the war. According to Wikipedia, during the chaotic closing days of the war, there were contradictory reports as to Bormann’s whereabouts. For example, Jakob Glas, Bormann’s long-time chauffeur, insisted he saw Bormann in Munich weeks after 1 May 1945. The bodies were not found, and a global search followed including extensive efforts in South America. With no evidence to confirm or deny Bormann’s death, the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg tried Bormann in absentia in October 1946 and sentenced him to death. His court-appointed defense attorney used the unsuccessful defense that the court could not convict Bormann because he was already dead. [Source] It was later proven (by DNA) that Bormann was, indeed, dead at the time of the trial

[Kizzy]

Edwina Curry wasn't to know about his pachant for young kids,she probably thought as a lot still do that he was a caring chap!

Even if she didn't he was a DJ... What would he know about running a prison?
He was nothing but a tory stooge then...

[arista]

and Kizzy
then a New Labour stooge.

[Kizzy]

and Kizzy
then a New Labour stooge.

What does that mean?...

[Kazanne]

Even if she didn't he was a DJ... What would he know about running a prison?
He was nothing but a tory stooge then...

oh dear,when in doubt ,blame the Tories:joker::joker::joker:

[Pyramid*]

Even if she didn't he was a DJ... What would he know about running a prison?
He was nothing but a tory stooge then...


Took longer than I anticipated for this thread to turn into a 'blame the Tories' thread. seriously Kizzy: there may be a form of 'politics' invovled in this whole sorry saga, but it's not quite of the variety that you are attempting to spin it on.

I love the DM today: in which the Main investigative reporter turns out to be the nephew of the very woman in charge of one of the schools in which this alleged prolific abuse took place.......... but conveniently : an interview he held ( a 2nd interview) in which the alleged victim named his Aunt - ended up on the cutting room floor.

You got to laugh: this very reporter's own FAMILY appears to have been party - albeit in limited form.

Personally: whilst it is no joking matter whatsover : I do think this entire thing is now turning into a comedy of errors - on every single possible level.

[Kizzy]

oh dear,when in doubt ,blame the Tories:joker::joker::joker:

?... I am not the biggest supporter of the conservatives, but in all fairness kazanne he was working for them.

[Pyramid*]

?... I am not the biggest supporter of the conservatives, but in all fairness kazanne he was working for them.

There's nothing at all fair about trying to associate any of this onto someone who clearly was very unaware of what allegations may have been getting thrown around years ago re JS: nor to try to correlate that into some form of attack against a political party that you are reknown for loathing.

This isn't a political thread Kizzy - let's keep the Politics out of it eh?

[arista]

BBC1 Panorama Monday
is about the The BBC Newsnight Saga
and Saville.

[Kizzy]

Took longer than I anticipated for this thread to turn into a 'blame the Tories' thread. seriously Kizzy: there may be a form of 'politics' invovled in this whole sorry saga, but it's not quite of the variety that you are attempting to spin it on.

I love the DM today: in which the Main investigative reporter turns out to be the nephew of the very woman in charge of one of the schools in which this alleged prolific abuse took place.......... but conveniently : an interview he held ( a 2nd interview) in which the alleged victim named his Aunt - ended up on the cutting room floor.

You got to laugh: this very reporter's own FAMILY appears to have been party - albeit in limited form.

Personally: whilst it is no joking matter whatsover : I do think this entire thing is now turning into a comedy of errors - on every single possible level.

I make a reference and you pounce pyra, let's not make this a huge political debate.
The point of gathering all this evidence is obviously not to bring any criminal proceedings as thats impossible. It's to highlight the failings of the past by many organisations in their duty of care to vulnerable young people.
How, where, when and why this man was allowed to infiltrate childrens homes, hospitals, prisons...
It's not a witch hunt it's trying to learn from mistakes in the past.

[Pyramid*]

BBC1 Panorama Monday
is about the The BBC Newsnight Saga
and Saville.

I make a reference and you pounce pyra, let's not make this a huge political debate.

The point of gathering all this evidence is obviously not to bring any criminal proceedings as thats impossible. It's to highlight the failings of the past by many organisations in their duty of care to vulnerable young people.
How, where, when and why this man was allowed to infiltrate childrens homes, hospitals, prisons...
It's not a witch hunt it's trying to learn from mistakes in the past.


I am pointing out the very obvious fact Kiz that you always attempt to bring the government & your loathing of the tories into every single 'serious debates' thread.

Whatever JS was guilty of (or not) - and I do believe there is some guilt there on his part and others, though I question the extent - it is not the place for a Party Political debate nor for trying to bring into play JS being a Tory - or not, and whether he was a Tory Stooge the minute Edwina Currie's name cropped up - if anyone is guilty of 'pouncing' on politics - it is not I. Apparently him having some possible connection with the tories: makes the tories guilty by association? That's what you are getting at.

Politics really have no place on this thread.


Originally Posted by kizzy http://cdn.thisisbigbrother.com/blue/viewpost.gif (http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5557076#post5557076)
?... I am not the biggest supporter of the conservatives, but in all fairness kazanne he was working for them .


Yes Arista: the Panorma programme to be shown is the one that I was referring to re my comment of Jones, who was investigating: who's aunt was employed by the school in question.

Bet he wishes he hadn't opened this can of worms in his attempt to get a story: it's backfired on him in quite spectacular fashion.

Related to a woman who allegedly was in charge in the same school that JS allegedly abused pupils at for many years......................

Like I said earlier: it's a comedy of (very serious) errors now.

[Kizzy]

There's nothing at all fair about trying to associate any of this onto someone who clearly was very unaware of what allegations may have been getting thrown around years ago re JS: nor to try to correlate that into some form of attack against a political party that you are reknown for loathing.

This isn't a political thread Kizzy - let's keep the Politics out of it eh?

I suggest you look at todays telegraph, all I did was refer to the points raised in there. Theres no vendetta.

[Pyramid*]

I suggest you look at todays telegraph, all I did was refer to the points raised in there. Theres no vendetta.

I suggest you stop suggesting what to read. The facts are thin on the ground - much of it is gossip, heresay, people now admitting they were happy to keep their mouths shut because they benefitted financially and for many many years, they benefitted financially..... take all that fodder out of the mix and perhaps there may be some degree of the truth coming out.

Other than that: all it is doing is damaging any possible REAL claims from REAL victims.