Jimmy Savile: New Report Claims He Performed Sex Acts On Dead Bodies

[Omah]

TV star accused of subjecting schoolgirl to sickening abuse at height of fame

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jimmy-savile-documentary-tv-star-1351439

Sir Jimmy Savile has been branded a sexual predator by a woman who claims he subjected her to sickening abuse as a *schoolgirl.

She is one of five alleged victims who have come forward to tell how the late TV star used his fame to carry out a string of serious sex *attacks, including rape, at the height of his stardom.

Some of the women claim he abused them at a school for *maladjusted girls and on BBC premises, meeting them on shows like Top of the Pops, which he called his “happy *hunting ground”.

Two say he gave them sexually-transmitted diseases.

The revelations came to light in a bombshell TV investigation carried out by former detective Mark Williams-Thomas. It has left the BBC, where Savile worked for more than 40 years, facing claims that the star’s activities were an “open secret” among some staff.

Two BBC producers even agreed to speak on camera to Mr Williams-Thomas, with one admitting he thought Savile was abusing young girls. He confesses he didn’t speak out at the time as he feared he’d lose his job because of Savile’s immense influence.

A source who worked on the *programme – Exposure: The Other Side of Jimmy Savile, to be screened on ITV1 at 11.10pm Wednesday – said: “The BBC has massive *questions to answer. So many people knew, or at least *suspected what was going on, but it was never investigated. The suspicion is that it is because it was one of the BBC’s favourite sons. It’s truly shocking.”

Yesterday the BBC said there was no record of any allegations of misconduct against Savile and therefore no *investigation was undertaken.

Wednesday’s show alleges that Savile abused a girl he visited at Stoke Mandeville Hospital in Buckinghamshire, where he is *considered a hero after raising millions of pounds to build The National Spinal Injuries Centre.

He is also accused of preying on young girls he met at Duncroft Approved School in Surrey. In one chilling incident he allegedly gave a victim a copy of his 1974 autobiography, writing, “No *escape!!” and signing it, “Her keeper”


The dirty dog ..... :eek:

[thesheriff443]

well its a bit fcuking late now!

[Kazanne]

TV star accused of subjecting schoolgirl to sickening abuse at height of fame

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jimmy-savile-documentary-tv-star-1351439



The dirty dog ..... :eek:

Why have these people waited until now to tell their stories?it's not like he can be brought to justice,never really liked the man,but whatever he has done is beyond repairing now.

[Suze]

well its a bit fcuking late now!

Exactly. Unless because of his pull in the media industry they were scared to talk out before now. But there again, there were always stories surrounding him, so if true, it was pretty much known what he was like behind the facade anyway.

[Omah]

Why have these people waited until now to tell their stories?it's not like he can be brought to justice,never really liked the man,but whatever he has done is beyond repairing now.

If the accounts are true, he should be stripped of all honours and the "history" books rewritten to reflect his hideous, heinous and hitherto hidden dirty deeds ..... :hmph:

[Suze]

If the accounts are true, he should be stripped of all honours and the "history" books rewritten to reflect his hideous and heinous hitherto hidden dirty deeds ..... :hmph:

Yep, that would be about all they could do. Too little and too late really though, but I suppose stripped of those honours would be a good idea, as it's like he made a mockery of them. I never did like him, never felt a good vibe about him.

[Omah]

Yep, that would be about all they could do. Too little and too late really though, but I suppose stripped of those honours would be a good idea, as it's like he made a mockery of them. I never did like him, never felt a good vibe about him.

Nor me ..... he made me :yuk:

[arista]

'We colluded with Jimmy Savile as a child abuser': Esther Rantzen sensationally claims people in TV 'blocked our ears' to rumours

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2210592/Esther-Rantzen-We-colluded-Jimmy-Saville-child-abuser.html#ixzz27wvxoiGA


Yes Esther
had heard of it.

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[Mrluvaluva]

He has always had a reputation for being a bit sleazy. I remember my mum telling me stories of what he was like leching round women in clubs. He cannot defend himself now though...

[Nedusa]

TV star accused of subjecting schoolgirl to sickening abuse at height of fame

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jimmy-savile-documentary-tv-star-1351439



The dirty dog ..... :eek:

This would have been a much bigger story if Jimmy Saville was still alive. As he died a few years ago he is not in a position to defend himself so Anyone can make these sorts of allegations without reproach.

Why did this person not raise this at the time ? To bring it out now seems odd, could this be just another attempt to profit from the press with unprovable allegations which could bismirch the name and reputation of one of Britains best loved celebrities who charity efforts have raised millions for less deserving people...!!!

[Marcus.]

I think it a bit to late

[Omah]

This would have been a much bigger story if Jimmy Saville was still alive. As he died a few years ago he is not in a position to defend himself so Anyone can make these sorts of allegations without reproach.

Presumably his family/estate/solicitor could contest these allegations?

Why did this person not raise this at the time ?

For all the reasons that abused children and their "carers" don't mention it ......

To bring it out now seems odd, could this be just another attempt to profit from the press with unprovable allegations which could bismirch the name and reputation of one of Britains best loved celebrities

If the allegations are true, though, will he still be a "best loved celebrity" or just another skulking pervert?

[chuff me dizzy]

Why have these people waited until now to tell their stories?it's not like he can be brought to justice,never really liked the man,but whatever he has done is beyond repairing now.

This was due to be aired the week dirty old swine died, so BBC scraped it

[chuff me dizzy]

This would have been a much bigger story if Jimmy Saville was still alive. As he died a few years ago he is not in a position to defend himself so Anyone can make these sorts of allegations without reproach.

Why did this person not raise this at the time ? To bring it out now seems odd, could this be just another attempt to profit from the press with unprovable allegations which could bismirch the name and reputation of one of Britains best loved celebrities who charity efforts have raised millions for less deserving people...!!!

I know the man whos done the documentry, hes a very well respected man, hes worked on this case for YEARS,but because Saville was seen as a God ,he was stopped at every turn ,Still got a big fight on his hands

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Gosh it seems nowadays majority in the limelight was either a predator or abused.

[chuff me dizzy]

Gosh it seems nowadays majority in the limelight was either a predator or abused.

What makes me sick is people covering it up

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

What makes me sick is people covering it up

Yes it's a shame morality means nothing the person has huge star next to their name.

Just like the American Sandusky, he was regarded as a god for decades. He's recently been put in prison because they found out he's been abusing boys for years. One person even saw him **** one and he said nothing.

edit:correcting myself, actually the witness did say something. Others chose to ignore it.

[chuff me dizzy]

Yes it's a shame morality means nothing the person has huge star next to their name.

Just like the American Sandusky, he was regarded as a god for decades. He's recently been put in prison because they found out he's been abusing boys for years. One person even saw him **** one and he said nothing.

How do they sleep at night? Saville swore he had never been to the Jersey carehome where abuse took place, but there are photos of him being there for all the world to see, Haave you read the case of Holly Grieg? another poor girl where cover up prevented her justice ,similar to Maddie case, but at least Holly is still alive

[lostalex]

If it was just one woman, then i wouldn't think much of it. But it's so many women and none of them know each other or colluded in any way, so it seems there is probably truth to it.

[Marc]

Well he fixed it for me :shrug:

[Shaun]

thought Omah had a personal story for a moment

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

How do they sleep at night? Saville swore he had never been to the Jersey carehome where abuse took place, but there are photos of him being there for all the world to see, Haave you read the case of Holly Grieg? another poor girl where cover up prevented her justice ,similar to Maddie case, but at least Holly is still alive

No but I'm afraid. I just google it and the titles "the deeply upsetting story of Holly Grieg" is already making me sad.

[King Gizzard]

The least shocking news of all time

[chuff me dizzy]

No but I'm afraid. I just google it and the titles "the deeply upsetting story of Holly Grieg" is already making me sad.

A young Downs syndrome girl abused for years and covered up by people in high places

[Omah]

thought Omah had a personal story for a moment

Thankfully, not ..... :nono:

:laugh2:

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

A young Downs syndrome girl abused for years and covered up by people in high places

.........................

[billy123]

Jimmy Saville raped me..........And me and me and dah da dah!!!

These stories have been around forever but never had the substance to be taken to the police but now he is dead i suppose there is a few quid to be made out of coming out with these things as its not a police matter anymore.

[chuff me dizzy]

Jimmy Saville raped me..........And me and me and dah da dah!!!

These stories have been around forever but never had the substance to be taken to the police but now he is dead i suppose there is a few quid to be made out of coming out with it now he is dead.

no one would allow it to come out, do you really think we live in a world where no cover up goes on ?all police/press are honest ? because we really do not

[billy123]

no one would allow it to come out, do you really think we live in a world where no cover up goes on ?all police/press are honest ? because we really do notWhat do you mean it wasnt allowed to come out? none of these are new claims they are all old claims that were investigated and thrown out :conf: they are only being repeated now because of a tv programme.

[arista]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2210592/Jimmy-Savile-accused-sexual-predator-women-claim-abused-underage-schoolgirls.html#ixzz27wvxoiGA

Even a Presenter was told to not say a word.


And Yes Bob
The TV Prog is the base.
ITV1HD 11:10PM Weds 3-Oct
this week Exposure: The Other Side Of Jimmy Savile

[Omah]

What do you mean it wasnt allowed to come out? none of these are new claims they are all old claims that were investigated and thrown out :conf: they are only being repeated now because of a tv programme.

It seems you are wrong :

Five alleged victims have come forward to tell how the late TV star used his fame to carry out a string of serious sex *attacks, including rape, at the height of his stardom (the '60's and '70's)

There is only one "old claim" :

In 2007, Surrey Police received at least two complaints that Savile had abused pupils at the now defunct Duncroft Approved School for Girls near Staines, for which he did charity work in the Seventies. The investigation was dropped after a Crown Prosecution Service lawyer advised no further action be taken. The force refuses to say whether Savile was formally interviewed.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2210108/Jimmy-Savile-Evidence-DID-abuse-underage-girls-ITV-documentary.html#ixzz27y3gfoul


Mark Williams-Thomas, who for 12 years was a detective and child protection officer, spent a year talking to Savile’s former victims.

He was a child protection officer with Surrey Police and worked on the prosecution of pop impresario Jonathan King on charges of sex with underage boys.

Since leaving the police, he has become a consultant on child protection and fronted the ITV documentary To Catch A Paedophile.

[arista]

Yes that Former Detective
now doing this Docu
Knows his stuff


11:10 ITV1HD Weds 3/Oct/12

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

found this comment of a year ago under Jimmy's videos

MET HIM TODAY, HE KISSED MY HAND!
:bored: she must be disgusted now.

[billy123]

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/showbiz/news/a409174/sir-jimmy-saviles-nephew-slams-abuse-claims.html

[arista]

"Sir Jimmy Savile's nephew slams abuse claims"


Of course
his own nephew is angry that all week it could be Front page

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Todays

[billy123]

"Sir Jimmy Savile's nephew slams abuse claims"


Of course
his own nephew is angry that all week it could be Front pageHe is annoyed that the claims are from the 70's and if a crime is being alleged why is it being claimed to a tv show and not the police.
I couldnt give a damn if he was a pedo or not but the fact these old claims are being repeated now just stinks of using a story to make money to me.

[arista]

A Clip was just on ITV1 News.


Its a Solid Docu.

[arista]

He is annoyed that the claims are from the 70's and if a crime is being alleged why is it being claimed to a tv show and not the police.
I couldnt give a damn if he was a pedo or not but the fact these old claims are being repeated now just stinks of using a story to make money to me.


Could be because
he is 6 feet under

[Omah]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9576863/Sir-Jimmy-Savile-abused-us-at-the-BBC-claim-women.html

Savile would visit Duncroft, a Home Office Approved School “for intelligent, emotionally disturbed” girls, based in a manor house near Staines in Surrey, to raise its profile.

One of the women, who has written about her claims online, said he would “reward” girls who polished his sports car with an outing.

She wrote: “I looked forward to Jimmy Savile visiting because it meant pleasant food, rides down the lane in his sports car and extra cigarettes.

“Sadly, it also meant one had to put up with being mauled and groped when he pulled into a lay-by some five miles along the road.

“I wasn't the only girl that Sir Jimmy favoured with this either. In fact, he often tried to press me to 'go further' than simply fondling him and allowing him to grope inside my knickers and at my partly formed breasts. He promised me all manner of good things if I would give him oral sex.”

When she eventually complied, she claimed, he invited her backstage for his show Clunk-Click.

Clunk-Click every trip means Jimmy's Dick between your lips ..... :eek:

[arista]

"Clunk-Click every trip means Jimmy's Dick between your lips "


Yes ITV1HD Late night on Weds

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Mondays Papers

[Z]

I have a personal connection to the Hollie Greig case people were mentioning on the previous page and I'm certain that it's not true, or at least what is being told to the media is not completely true. As for this case - I don't know whether or not to believe these women, simply because of the timing of this media scandal. Surely this would have been a news story before now. It's not like the media are afraid to report on celebrities with alleged paedophilic tendencies: see Gary Glitter. I dunno, I don't want to doubt people who say they are the victims of sexual abuse, because it's a very serious matter, but I think it's pretty bad journalism regardless of what's true and what isn't.

[lostalex]

What do you mean it wasnt allowed to come out? none of these are new claims they are all old claims that were investigated and thrown out :conf: they are only being repeated now because of a tv programme.


umm do you not remember the whole injunction and super injunction scandal recently?? yes, the authorities CAN cover things up. especially when a celebrity is involved.

[lostalex]

He is annoyed that the claims are from the 70's and if a crime is being alleged why is it being claimed to a tv show and not the police.
I couldnt give a damn if he was a pedo or not but the fact these old claims are being repeated now just stinks of using a story to make money to me.

umm, why would you not care? If it's true then it's very important and you SHOULD care.

[Jack_]

I find this case, thread and any issues surrounding this quite vile. The man is dead, regardless of whether or not any of these claims are true, there's going to be very little ways of proving it, no trial and he has no way of defending himself. As far as I'm concerned this is irrelevant and attempting to defame the character of a dead man is quite sick IMO.

[lostalex]

I find this case, thread and any issues surrounding this quite vile. The man is dead, regardless of whether or not any of these claims are true, there's going to be very little ways of proving it, no trial and he has no way of defending himself. As far as I'm concerned this is irrelevant and attempting to defame the character of a dead man is quite sick IMO.

he's dead so it doesn't matter, but for victims of rape and sexual abuse, just having people listen to you and believe you can be incredibly healing.

I think they did him a huge favor by waiting til after he was dead. They showed more compassion to him by waiting than he ever showed to them.

[Omah]

Attempting to defame the character of a dead man is quite sick IMO.

So Hitler was an angel?

:conf:

[Omah]

he's dead so it doesn't matter, but for victims of rape and sexual abuse, just having people listen to you and believe you can be incredibly healing.

I think they did him a huge favor by waiting til after he was dead. They showed more compassion to him by waiting than he ever showed to them.

Very true ..... :pipe:

[Z]

So Hitler was an angel?

:conf:

What a ridiculous comparison - Adolf Hitler was a political leader whose conquest for 'living space' and 'racial purity' caused the death and suffering of millions of people, and he proudly did so. His crimes are well documented and he was guilty. Jimmy Savile was a television personality who may or may not have sexually abused some people - and as he is dead, all we have is the word of the people who have come forward. He cannot defend himself. I'm all for balanced discussion but that's a really preposterous comparison.

[Nedusa]

I find this case, thread and any issues surrounding this quite vile. The man is dead, regardless of whether or not any of these claims are true, there's going to be very little ways of proving it, no trial and he has no way of defending himself. As far as I'm concerned this is irrelevant and attempting to defame the character of a dead man is quite sick IMO.

I've read most of the posts which allege he was not what he seemed and he did have a reputation for being a nasty arrogant man. But to claim now after his death that he was a serial rapist is totally unacceptable. He cannot defend his name and these allegations should have been made years ago. This cannot result in any sort of trial, in fact the only thing that is going to come from this is that his name and reputation are going to be damaged. I find this whole situation very unfair to Jimmy Saville and I would hope any family he has takes the appropriate legal action...!!!!

[Omah]

What a ridiculous comparison - Adolf Hitler was a political leader whose conquest for 'living space' and 'racial purity' caused the death and suffering of millions of people, and he proudly did so. His crimes are well documented and he was guilty. Jimmy Savile was a television personality who may or may not have sexually abused some people - and as he is dead, all we have is the word of the people who have come forward. He cannot defend himself. I'm all for balanced discussion but that's a really preposterous comparison.

I believe that you have missed the point (well, two of them, actually) ..... :pipe:

(See Godwin's Law)

[billy123]

umm do you not remember the whole injunction and super injunction scandal recently?? yes, the authorities CAN cover things up. especially when a celebrity is involved.I must have missed the bit where i said they couldnt i could have sworn the sentiment was didnt.

umm, why would you not care? If it's true then it's very important and you SHOULD care.Once again you comletely miss the point that was it makes no odds to me if he was or he wasnt. The claims were raised with the law 40 years ago and went nowhere on the basis they were nothing but baseless claims.

The bbc was in the process of making a programme about the claims a year ago only to drop it after speaking to the people who made the claims.

Now he is dead ITV have picked up the baton and interviewed the people who made the claims hence the tabloid title "FRESH CLAIMS" yep its only fresh claims because a struggling tv station made them repeat the claims a good old media trick to make it sound like its not old news only dumbtards fall for that one and there are plenty about.

I coudnt care a dick about his legacy or his reputation but these same claims were laughed away when he was alive its just scummy behaviour from a struggling tv station to get the claims repeated within a year of his death because they know nobody can refute them.

Its nothing but profiteering whether he was guilty or not and thats just a disgusting mentality.

It just doesnt sit well with me it was looked at when the claims were made it was investigated by the police and came to nothing but now he is dead and a bit of money can be made out of it a tv station desperate for money can act as judge,jury and executioner.

[arista]

"bit of money can be made out of it a tv station"

No this is on at 11:10PM on weds.

Are you saying Esther Rantzen has it wrong?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2210987/Jim-fooled-thinking-saint-When-I-saw-truth-I-wept.html

[chuff me dizzy]

I must have missed the bit where i said they couldnt i could have sworn the sentiment was didnt.

Once again you comletely miss the point that was it makes no odds to me if he was or he wasnt. The claims were raised with the law 40 years ago and went nowhere on the basis they were nothing but baseless claims.

The bbc was in the process of making a programme about the claims a year ago only to drop it after speaking to the people who made the claims.

Now he is dead ITV have picked up the baton and interviewed the people who made the claims hence the tabloid title "FRESH CLAIMS" yep its only fresh claims because a struggling tv station made them repeat the claims a good old media trick to make it sound like its not old news only dumbtards fall for that one and there are plenty about.

I coudnt care a dick about his legacy or his reputation but these same claims were laughed away when he was alive its just scummy behaviour from a struggling tv station to get the claims repeated within a year of his death because they know nobody can refute them.

Its nothing but profiteering whether he was guilty or not and thats just a disgusting mentality.

It just doesnt sit well with me it was looked at when the claims were made it was investigated by the police and came to nothing but now he is dead and a bit of money can be made out of it a tv station desperate for money can act as judge,jury and executioner.

Got to pull you up here ,Bbc bought the show after commisioning it, but Saville died the week it was due to be shown ,so they refused to show it, it was then sold to Itv

[chuff me dizzy]

I have a personal connection to the Hollie Greig case people were mentioning on the previous page and I'm certain that it's not true, or at least what is being told to the media is not completely true. As for this case - I don't know whether or not to believe these women, simply because of the timing of this media scandal. Surely this would have been a news story before now. It's not like the media are afraid to report on celebrities with alleged paedophilic tendencies: see Gary Glitter. I dunno, I don't want to doubt people who say they are the victims of sexual abuse, because it's a very serious matter, but I think it's pretty bad journalism regardless of what's true and what isn't.

So the Maddie case is true, Holly case isnt true,Gary Glitter is a Saint ,whats your take on Saville is he a Saint too ? wake up ,live in the real world, child abuse is alive and kicking in UK and coverd up daily by men in grey suits

[Nedusa]

This is an interesting situation and we should be asking the question who stands to gain from this story ?

The alleged perpetrator of these crimes is dead so cannot defend himself but more importantly cannot be punished. The alleged victims of these crimes will never have justice as they did not pursue JS when he was alive. Why did they not pursue him surely there was enough evidence from 5 separate victims for the police to charge him at least with suspicion, but no nothing ever came of it. So why now ?? Why produce a TV programme that purports to deal with the issues of Child abuse but does so by focussing on a dead mans alleged crimes.

Sensationalist TV perhaps, the victims they will have to suffer all the memories rehashed again (if the abuse was true) so why would they do this , are they getting paid for appearing in the programme.

And why would the BBC air this programme which as I've said is based on heresay. Lets hope more info comes to light before we continue with this witch hunt and destroy the good name of Sir Jimmy Saville...!!!

[Omah]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/9578230/Jimmy-Savile-claimed-paedophile-Gary-Glitter-did-nothing-wrong.html

Sir Jimmy said the convicted paedophile just watched a few "dodgy films" and was only vilified because he was a celebrity.

His views have come to light in a new documentary which also accuses the Jim'll Fix It star of molesting young girls – and raping a teenager – at the height of his fame as a TV presenter.

Glitter was jailed for four months in 1999 for downloading 4,000 images of children and then deported from Vietnam for assaulting two girls aged 10 and 11 in 2008.

The programme records Sir Jimmy as saying a year later: "Now Gary, all he did was to take his computer into PC World to get it repaired.

"They went into the hard drive, saw all these dodgy pictures and told the police and the police then 'Oh we've got a famous person ... Oh my goodness, yeah we'll have them'.

"But Gary has not sold 'em, has not tried to sell 'em, not tried to show them in public or anything like that. It were for his own gratification.

"Whether it was right or wrong is, of course, it's up to him as a person. But they didn't do anything wrong but they are then demonised."

"If you said to that copper, what's Gary Glitter done wrong? Well nothing really. He's just sat at home watching dodgy films."

Jeez ..... :rolleyes:

[Nedusa]

No but I'm afraid. I just google it and the titles "the deeply upsetting story of Holly Grieg" is already making me sad.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/9578230/Jimmy-Savile-claimed-paedophile-Gary-Glitter-did-nothing-wrong.html



Jeez ..... :rolleyes:

The problem with the quote you have just posted is that it connects JS in the minds of the viewers with Gary Glitter a convicted Paedophile. Yet who knows if the comments he was said to have made were actually made. Now because of this supposed comment people will now think he is the same as Gary Glitter.

These are classic smear tactics used to paint a picture in keeping with the aims of the programme, yet no solid evidence as of yet supports this contention.

I find this whole story suspicious to say the least, maybe I'm wrong but as of yet nothing of substance has been produced to substantiate these claims..!!!

[Omah]

The problem with the quote you have just posted is that it connects JS in the minds of the viewers with Gary Glitter a convicted Paedophile. Yet who knows if the comments he was said to have made were actually made.

Glitter was jailed for four months in 1999 for downloading 4,000 images of children and then deported from Vietnam for assaulting two girls aged 10 and 11 in 2008.

The programme records Sir Jimmy as saying a year later: "Now Gary, all he did was to take his computer into PC World to get it repaired.
.
.
.
.
.
What's Gary Glitter done wrong? Well nothing really. He's just sat at home watching dodgy films."

Presumably the "record" will show Savile saying those very words ..... :idc:

[chuff me dizzy]

This is an interesting situation and we should be asking the question who stands to gain from this story ?

The alleged perpetrator of these crimes is dead so cannot defend himself but more importantly cannot be punished. The alleged victims of these crimes will never have justice as they did not pursue JS when he was alive. Why did they not pursue him surely there was enough evidence from 5 separate victims for the police to charge him at least with suspicion, but no nothing ever came of it. So why now ?? Why produce a TV programme that purports to deal with the issues of Child abuse but does so by focussing on a dead mans alleged crimes.

Sensationalist TV perhaps, the victims they will have to suffer all the memories rehashed again (if the abuse was true) so why would they do this , are they getting paid for appearing in the programme.

And why would the BBC air this programme which as I've said is based on heresay. Lets hope more info comes to light before we continue with this witch hunt and destroy the good name of Sir Jimmy Saville...!!!

He was not dead when this was started, he was not dead when Coleen Nolan said he had touche her ,It just baffles me that people fall for the 3 card trick ,they do not realise the cover up what goes on

[chuff me dizzy]

http://spudgunsspoutings.blogspot.pt/2012/09/now-then-now-then-hows-about-this-then.html

[Omah]

http://spudgunsspoutings.blogspot.pt/2012/09/now-then-now-then-hows-about-this-then.html

Not Uncle Dick, too ..... :eek:

[Kazanne]

This Morning debating this now.

[arista]

Yes the Detective is there

[Kazanne]

Yes the Detective is there

Sounds dodgy to me Arista,his 'cleaning' lady unwittingly dropped him in it i think.

[Omah]

It seems that nobody messed with Uncle Jim because :

a) he was a master manipulator

b) he could afford to sue anybody

Who was the lady whose BBC producer father allowed her to mix with every DJ EXCEPT JS ?

[Omah]

Sensationalist TV perhaps, the victims they will have to suffer all the memories rehashed again (if the abuse was true) so why would they do this , are they getting paid for appearing in the programme.

none of whom have been paid for their revelations,

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2210972/Jimmy-Savile-As-string-age-girls-say-star-abused-did-BBC-bosses-turn-blind-eye.html#ixzz282cgoWo5

[Kazanne]

It seems that nobody messed with Uncle Jim because :

a) he was a master manipulator

b) he could afford to sue anybody

Who was the lady whose BBC producer father allowed her to mix with every DJ EXCEPT JS ?

Can't remember Omah,but i did hear her say that:shocked:

[Omah]

Paul Gambaccini claims Sir Jimmy Savile used charity work to prevent sexual abuse of schoolchildren being exposed

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/paul-gambaccini-claims-sir-jimmy-savile-used-charity-work-to-prevent-sexual-abuse-of-schoolchildren-being-exposed-8191761.html

Broadcaster Paul Gambaccini has added to the allegations that Sir Jimmy Savile sexually abused schoolchildren, claiming the star used his charity work and ‘imperial personality’ within show business to prevent his private life being exposed.

Speaking ahead of an ITV documentary that claims Savile abused schoolgirls during his many years of stardom, Gambaccini said his former Radio 1 colleague played tabloid newspapers “like a Stradivarius” in order to keep the abuse secret.

Speaking on ITV1’s Daybreak programme this morning, Gambaccini said he had been waiting 30 years for the allegations to come out.

He alleged that at one point Saville was about to be exposed by a tabloid newspaper, but arranged an interview with a rival tabloid which had the effect of stopping the negative article.

Gambaccini went on: “On another occasion, and this cuts to the chase of the whole matter, he was called and he said 'well you could run that story, but if you do there goes the funds that come in to Stoke Mandeville - do you want to be responsible for the drying up of the charity donations'. And they backed down.”

Savile had raised millions of pounds over the years for his pet cause, Stoke Mandeville Hospital.

Gambaccini added: “It comes out when he's dead because Jimmy Savile had an imperial personality in show business; I'm not talking about personal life. You just didn't mess with Jim. He was the governor, because after all he had been the first great club DJ, he had been the originator of Top of the Pops presentation, and you just let him have his turf. And none of us were interested in going there because he was away from us. At social occasions we would all be together, but Jim would not be and he had his own life.”

:idc:

[Livia]

Trials by media are dispicable and unfair, and when the accused is dead it's taken to an even lower point. And Esther Rantzen throwing her weight behind these claims shows us just what that woman will do to keep her career alive far past it's sell-by date.

[Z]

So the Maddie case is true, Holly case isnt true,Gary Glitter is a Saint ,whats your take on Saville is he a Saint too ? wake up ,live in the real world, child abuse is alive and kicking in UK and coverd up daily by men in grey suits

Are you following me around the forum? I'm flattered.

Where on earth did I say 'Gary Glitter is a saint'?!? You're reading my post completely the wrong way, I don't even know where to begin.

Jimmy Savile is dead. Whether it's true or not, there is no way for him to defend himself or admit to his guilt - only the words of people who say they are victims. This is a crime that cannot be resolved, or this is an allegation that cannot be refuted, because the main body of evidence, i.e. Jimmy Savile, is no longer there. I mentioned Gary Glitter to show that the British media have no problem with reporting on celebrities who are accused of committing crimes of this nature. That's why I find it strange that this story has only been reported now, after Jimmy Savile's death, when Gary Glitter, who is still alive, has been outed as a child molester and from what I gather, quite rightly so. Why did nobody try to do this while Jimmy was alive? I understand that victims need to come to terms with things in their own time, but it was a very long time ago - Jimmy hadn't been a staple part of broadcasting for a long time before he died - I find it hard to believe that his influence was so strong that no one dared rat him out while he was still alive.

I'm more than aware that child abuse is a problem in this country. So many cases of child abuse rings are being uncovered in recent times - I'm absolutely 100% not denying that, I'm surprised you think that that's what I'm saying. My issue with this case is purely the timing of it. Nothing, legally, can be done to make things better for them. They can't get any closure because he's dead. All this has done is bring attention to them, probably in a negative way in the long run, and I think that's just going to make it worse for them.

The Hollie Greig case, as I said in my last post, I have a personal connection to, and while I'm no legal expert in any capacity, I just believe from the bottom of my heart that the story does not add up on the side of the alleged victim and her mother.

There's absolutely no need to bring up what I said in another thread that has nothing to do with this one. You don't even remember what I said, do you? I just reckoned that they were being lambasted for not showing the right amount of emotion and that I thought they were being punished over and over again for a mistake - other posters thought they were just being neglectful, I disagreed, and I've not bothered to post in there again because it can only go round in circles. I'd like to respectfully ask you to not target me again in this way over my views, because it's not relevant to this particular discussion.

[Nedusa]

Are you following me around the forum? I'm flattered.

Where on earth did I say 'Gary Glitter is a saint'?!? You're reading my post completely the wrong way, I don't even know where to begin.

Jimmy Savile is dead. Whether it's true or not, there is no way for him to defend himself or admit to his guilt - only the words of people who say they are victims. This is a crime that cannot be resolved, or this is an allegation that cannot be refuted, because the main body of evidence, i.e. Jimmy Savile, is no longer there. I mentioned Gary Glitter to show that the British media have no problem with reporting on celebrities who are accused of committing crimes of this nature. That's why I find it strange that this story has only been reported now, after Jimmy Savile's death, when Gary Glitter, who is still alive, has been outed as a child molester and from what I gather, quite rightly so. Why did nobody try to do this while Jimmy was alive? I understand that victims need to come to terms with things in their own time, but it was a very long time ago - Jimmy hadn't been a staple part of broadcasting for a long time before he died - I find it hard to believe that his influence was so strong that no one dared rat him out while he was still alive.

I'm more than aware that child abuse is a problem in this country. So many cases of child abuse rings are being uncovered in recent times - I'm absolutely 100% not denying that, I'm surprised you think that that's what I'm saying. My issue with this case is purely the timing of it. Nothing, legally, can be done to make things better for them. They can't get any closure because he's dead. All this has done is bring attention to them, probably in a negative way in the long run, and I think that's just going to make it worse for them.

The Hollie Greig case, as I said in my last post, I have a personal connection to, and while I'm no legal expert in any capacity, I just believe from the bottom of my heart that the story does not add up on the side of the alleged victim and her mother.

There's absolutely no need to bring up what I said in another thread that has nothing to do with this one. You don't even remember what I said, do you? I just reckoned that they were being lambasted for not showing the right amount of emotion and that I thought they were being punished over and over again for a mistake - other posters thought they were just being neglectful, I disagreed, and I've not bothered to post in there again because it can only go round in circles. I'd like to respectfully ask you to not target me again in this way over my views, because it's not relevant to this particular discussion.

Your post echos a lot of the sentiments I have with this story. If this man was a vile sexual predator using his fame and media presence to suppress any real investigations by the authorities, then certainly he should have been exposed, charged and if proven in a court of law heavily punished and of course his OBE recinded and his name and reputation rightly destroyed.

However, the man is no longer alive to answer to these allegations and this simple fact alone means before any public announcements are made there would have to be some pretty damming evidence. I don't see any such evidence only his alleged victims word against him coupled with hearsay and gossip from other people. Of course his word can now never be heard so this becomes very one sided against this man.

The only outcome of this will be to blacken JS name and reputation for as we all know there's no smoke without fire and mud sticks. This is what worrys me the most. Does that mean now that all dead people celebs or otherwise are fair game for this type of media assassination...!!!

[Kazanne]

Paul Gambaccini claims Sir Jimmy Savile used charity work to prevent sexual abuse of schoolchildren being exposed

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/paul-gambaccini-claims-sir-jimmy-savile-used-charity-work-to-prevent-sexual-abuse-of-schoolchildren-being-exposed-8191761.html



:idc:

I've just seen this Omah,surely everyone can't be wrong, there was 'something' not quite right about him,just because someone makes loads of money for charities,does not make them above reproach,his lifestyle was strange to say the least,I am not accusing him,but have NEVER liked the bloke,and am not really surprised at this.

[arista]

Yes Docu 11:10PM
weds night ITV1HD

One key is the former BBC worker

[Livia]

How come then, that no one spoke out during his lifetime? I mean, was he so scary and powerful? How come everyone now knows that it was true because it was " creepy" and yet no one thought it was right to put a stop to it while it was happening? Or is now now an easy target because he can't clear his own name?

If so many people now have evidence that he was guilty, by not submitting it at the time surely they are guilty of attempting to pervert the course of justice by withholding evidence.

[arista]

How come then, that no one spoke out during his lifetime? I mean, was he so scary and powerful? How come everyone now knows that it was true because it was " creepy" and yet no one thought it was right to put a stop to it while it was happening? Or is now now an easy target because he can't clear his own name?

If so many people now have evidence that he was guilty, by not submitting it at the time surely they are guilty of attempting to pervert the course of justice by withholding evidence.


Yes millions loved his Jim will fix it - he used his power
SkyNews has found out the Police did interview him (2007)
but they dropped it , due to lack of enough paperwork on it.

[Livia]

Yes millions loved his Jim will fix it - he used his power
SkyNews has found out the Police did interview him (2007)
but they dropped it , due to lack of enough paperwork on it.

Lots of people better loved than him have fallen from grace after breaking the law. If the police questioned him and "dropped it" then there wasn't enough evidence to prosecute, I'm guessing. Perhaps one of the people speaking to the press now should have presented some of the evidence at the time that they seem to have magically produced now he's dead.

[arista]

Even now on TV News
say keep saying they are worried about his Charity,
still running.


There is a Stink here

[Livia]

Evidence. Why now? Why not at the time?

[arista]

Evidence. Why now? Why not at the time?


Esther
said she was told to ignore it
so TV Producers at the BBC
are involved

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/01/article-2210987-15473576000005DC-559_634x436.jpg

"Jim fooled us all into thinking
he was a saint. When I saw the truth, I wept"

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2210987/Jim-fooled-thinking-saint-When-I-saw-truth-I-wept.html#ixzz283cp0100
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[flamingGalah!]

This isn't new, there have always been rumours about Jimmy Savile being a dirty old perv. As the saying goes 'No smoke without fire'...

[Livia]

I agree... he always came across as a bit of a weirdo and a perv... but still... it's dispicable that people have waited till he's dead. Firstly, he cannot defend himself and secondly, if it's true, he cannot face punishment for what he did. It all boils down to this: someone somewhere is making some cash out of this.

[Omah]

C4 News ran the allegation story first with contributions from Rantzen and De'Ath but none from "the other side" ..... :idc:

[arista]

Yes on that Ch4News Report
Esther saying how he was with the PM.

Plus power of the Charity and BBC at that time

[Omah]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2211463/Jimmy-Savile-As-pressure-grows-BBC-cover-women-come-forward-ordeals.html#ixzz285lawJRf

Two women stepped forward yesterday to say they had been abused as teenagers by Sir Jimmy Savile.

As the scandal around the star deepened, Katrina Rose, 51, described how she was attacked in his flat after being invited to his radio show when she was 14.

She now regrets not speaking out when he was alive but ‘lost her nerve’ even though Savile ‘ruined her life’.

The second victim to bravely waive her anonymity, Bebe Roberts, 62, claimed the ‘sleazy’ Jim’ll Fix It presenter regularly sneaked into bedrooms at a girls' boarding school and once assaulted her when she was 15 and made a lewd proposition.

She said: ‘I did not know what he was like until he did that. There were girls in there who were quite terrified of him.’

A third, unnamed, woman alleged she was raped aged 15 by the star during a work experience stint at the BBC. She yesterday reported her accusation to police for the first time.

I think there will be a lot more victims coming forward - Savile appears to have used children as Kleenex ..... :yuk:

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2012/10/1/196064/default/v1/mail-1-329x437.jpg

There is a stink now

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2012/10/1/196061/default/v1/star-1-329x437.jpg

[Nedusa]

This story is getting smellier by the day... Judging by the number of victims this man has left he is starting to take on the appearance of serial rapist, sexual fiend , sexual pervert and sexual molester all rolled into one...

However , he was also a highly respected charity campaigner, media star, celebrity, friend to the royals.

Kinda hard to see these two sides of him happily coexisting for so many years..!!!
I mean (if true) you think someone out there would have raised the alarm..!!!
This story still has a long way to run with more revelations on the way I suspect..

[arista]

This story is getting smellier by the day... Judging by the number of victims this man has left he is starting to take on the appearance of serial rapist, sexual fiend , sexual pervert and sexual molester all rolled into one...

However , he was also a highly respected charity campaigner, media star, celebrity, friend to the royals.

Kinda hard to see these two sides of him happily coexisting for so many years..!!!
I mean (if true) you think someone out there would have raised the alarm..!!!
This story still has a long way to run with more revelations on the way I suspect..



Yes thats in Tomorrows Night Docu
how he stopped it.

Back then he had the power by saying his Charity
for hospitals and children, would suffer.


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/02/article-2211463-154E0B6B000005DC-113_964x258.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/01/article-2211463-154CF03F000005DC-742_634x271.jpg

[Omah]

http://www.contactmusic.com/news/louis-theroux-unsurprised-by-jimmy-savile-child-abuse-allegations_3307442

Theroux, responded to the news of the imminent documentary on his Facebook page, saying: “I can’t say that I’m completely blindsided by these revelations. Still, it’s shocking and upsetting to have one’s worst fears confirmed.” In the original documentary in 2000, Jimmy came across partly as a bit of an egomaniac, but more than anything a little bizarre particularly in his Miss Havisham style preservation of the bedroom of the late “Duchess”, his mother.

In a late night chat with Savile, he exposed his more violent side talking of the days in which he was a dance-hall manager in the north of England, saying “I wouldn't stand for any nonsense whatsoever. Ever. Ever. I never threw anybody out. Tied them up and put them down in the bloody boiler house until I was ready for them.”

I'll bet the ex-miner and ex-wrestler used a knuckle-duster, too ..... :eek:

[Omah]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/oct/02/jimmy-savile-rape-claim?newsfeed=true

The Metropolitan police is launching a new investigation after a woman told detectives she was raped by Sir Jimmy Savile in London in the 1970s.

The woman reported the allegation to police on Monday as fresh sexual assault claims against Savile were reported in the media ahead of an ITV1 documentary about the subject.

[chuff me dizzy]

It was on my local news last night (yorks) and they were talking to his friend ,who said "You should not speak ill of the dead" :shocked::shocked: I had smoke coming out of my ears :devil::devil: YES you should if the dead is a dirty old pervert, he needs his Knighthood removing too

[Nedusa]

It was on my local news last night (yorks) and they were talking to his friend ,who said "You should not speak ill of the dead" :shocked::shocked: I had smoke coming out of my ears :devil::devil: YES you should if the dead is a dirty old pervert, he needs his Knighthood removing too

I agree, if proven the Knighthood would have to be rescinded and his repution and name forever tarnished with the shame of being a Serial Rapist/Sexual Molester.

Problem is how do you prove it.....?????

[Smithy]

What's the point of investigating it now?

He's dead, can't punish him now :/

[chuff me dizzy]

What's the point of investigating it now?

He's dead, can't punish him now :/

I know the man whos done the documentry, it was started when Saville was still alive,the BBC bought rites to it, but then the selfish old scrote died, so Bbc refused to show it, it has now been sold to ITV ,no doubt tweeked because of his death, but I can assure you it WAS made while he was alive

[Omah]

What's the point of investigating it now?

He's dead, can't punish him now :/

If the allegations are true, then his honours should be stripped from his name, which should be blackened forever ..... :hmph:

[lostalex]

Trials by media are dispicable and unfair, and when the accused is dead it's taken to an even lower point. And Esther Rantzen throwing her weight behind these claims shows us just what that woman will do to keep her career alive far past it's sell-by date.

what about the many women who have nothing to gain from making these allegations livia? these women have nothing to gain, they don't know each other, they have no reason to lie. None of them are desperately in need of cash, none of them are trying to pursue a career in the public eye. I'm sorry, but you are just wrong.

[lostalex]

What's the point of investigating it now?

He's dead, can't punish him now :/

people who are abused often find the weight of trying to hide these type of abuses is just as traumatic as the actual abuse. sometimes just telling the truth and getting it off of their shoulders can be very important and therapeutic.

Just having people understand what has been done to you can be very healing.

[Z]

what about the many women who have nothing to gain from making these allegations livia? these women have nothing to gain, they don't know each other, they have no reason to lie. None of them are desperately in need of cash, none of them are trying to pursue a career in the public eye. I'm sorry, but you are just wrong.

Plenty of people jump on the bandwagon with claims against celebrities though lostalex, I don't know what it's like in the USA but this is a phenomenon in the UK - so many people come out of the woodwork that it's hard to tell who's telling the truth and who's just telling lies to make a quick buck from the tabloid newspapers. You don't have to be desperately in need of cash to sell a story - quite the opposite really - it's about greed. I'm not saying any of these women are lying, but it is a thing that happens a lot in this country.

I suppose it's a positive thing that an investigation has been launched, but I really don't see what this will achieve. They can't do any tests to check for rape; they can't interview the suspect in question; the only thing they can do is chase up decades old leads and try to come to a conclusion. It's a shame for anyone who was indeed a victim of him, if he did do anything wrong, but that's all that can happen now.

[lostalex]

Evidence. Why now? Why not at the time?

do you know that only about 10% of rape victims actually ever report their rape? Rape victims not coming forward immediately is not strange or suspicious at all.

[lostalex]

Plenty of people jump on the bandwagon with claims against celebrities though lostalex, I don't know what it's like in the USA but this is a phenomenon in the UK - so many people come out of the woodwork that it's hard to tell who's telling the truth and who's just telling lies to make a quick buck from the tabloid newspapers. You don't have to be desperately in need of cash to sell a story - quite the opposite really - it's about greed. I'm not saying any of these women are lying, but it is a thing that happens a lot in this country.

I suppose it's a positive thing that an investigation has been launched, but I really don't see what this will achieve. They can't do any tests to check for rape; they can't interview the suspect in question; the only thing they can do is chase up decades old leads and try to come to a conclusion. It's a shame for anyone who was indeed a victim of him, if he did do anything wrong, but that's all that can happen now.


people "come out of the woodwork" because it gives them courage to know that they are not alone, because many rape victims feel like they are alone and that no one will believe them, so of course when they find out they are not the only victim they feel more confidence to come forward.

[Z]

people "come out of the woodwork" because it gives them courage to know that they are not alone, because many rape victims feel like they are alone and that no one will believe them, so of course when they find out they are not the only victim they feel more confidence to come forward.

Yeah, but plenty of others step forward with made up stories to try and cash in on a scandal, which is more what I'm talking about. I'm curious to see how this case ends - I personally don't think they're going to be able to prove either way what happened, but I do agree with you that it is incredibly healing to have people listen to you and believe you.

[Livia]

what about the many women who have nothing to gain from making these allegations livia? these women have nothing to gain, they don't know each other, they have no reason to lie. None of them are desperately in need of cash, none of them are trying to pursue a career in the public eye. I'm sorry, but you are just wrong.

Exactly. What have they to gain? They can't see him punished for what he allegedly die. Why did they wait until he was dead to spill the beans? It makes no sense... and like Judge Judy always says, if it doesn't make sense it probably isn't true.

[Livia]

do you know that only about 10% of rape victims actually ever report their rape? Rape victims not coming forward immediately is not strange or suspicious at all.

So, they weren't willing to report the alleged rape to the police at the time, but they are perfectly willing now to have their faces on the front page of every tabloid in the land. While I have the greatest sympathy for women who have gone through the ordeal of rape, I'm not so sympathetic to people who seek attention instead of justice.

The onus is on the prosecution to prove that someone is guilty, it is not the job of the defence to prove someone is innocent. This though, is another trial by tabloid. We have them a lot in the UK.... and unfortunately the person accused is dead and we will never know for sure whether he was guilty or innocent.

[lostalex]

So, they weren't willing to report the alleged rape to the police at the time, but they are perfectly willing now to have their faces on the front page of every tabloid in the land. While I have the greatest sympathy for women who have gone through the ordeal of rape, I'm not so sympathetic to people who seek attention instead of justice.

The onus is on the prosecution to prove that someone is guilty, it is not the job of the defence to prove someone is innocent. This though, is another trial by tabloid. We have them a lot in the UK.... and unfortunately the person accused is dead and we will never know for sure whether he was guilty or innocent.

but most of them are doing it anonymously Livia, so how can you say that women making these claims anonymously are doing for attention or jumping on a bandwagon?

you are making it an impossible situation, by saying that anyone who does make the claims is just doing for attewntion, and anyone who makes the claims anonymously are not credible. don't you see how you're creating a damned if you do damned if you don't scenario?

[Livia]

but most of them are doing it anonymously Livia, so how can you say that women making these claims anonymously are doing for attention or jumping on a bandwagon?

Why now though? Why? There's nothing that can be done now, and by not coming foward at the time they put other women in danger, if what they are saying is true.

[Livia]

you are making it an impossible situation, by saying that anyone who does make the claims is just doing for attewntion, and anyone who makes the claims anonymously are not credible. don't you see how you're creating a damned if you do damned if you don't scenario?


He is dead. There is nothing they can gain by coming forward now. It is too late.

[lostalex]

Why now though? Why? There's nothing that can be done now, and by not coming foward at the time they put other women in danger, if what they are saying is true.

Like i said before, they arn't looking for punishment against JImmy Saville, they are just telling the truth, and so it's not hurting Jimmy, but it may be helping them get over something very traumatic. Telling the truth and having people believe you is very important to abuse victims.

If they made these accusations before he died, They'd be accussed of trying to extort him. Picking on an old man, a natiuonal treasure They arn't asking for money. They didn't sue him. They just want the truth to be known, and they arn't looking for anything in return.

[arista]

What's the point of investigating it now?

He's dead, can't punish him now :/


No But He Can Not Stop the Docu and New Police

The Women/Girls he attacked want to tell their storys
that I understand.

[MTVN]

Haven't the allegations floated around for a while but because of who he is there's never been anything to really come of it, it's true that as Alex said very few women actually report rape and very few cases that go to courts end in a guilty verdict, it'd be understandable if they thought pursuing the whole thing previously would only cause more grief

[Z]

Like i said before, they arn't looking for punishment against JImmy Saville, they are just telling the truth, and so it's not hurting Jimmy, but it may be helping them get over something very traumatic. Telling the truth and having people believe you is very important to abuse victims.

I disagree. It hurts his legacy - and that cannot be undone now. Even if they somehow prove that he is innocent and these women are liars, it's somehow given people justification to claim he was sleazy or a pervert and that there must be some truth to these allegations. On the other hand, if they are telling the truth, then it leaves the BBC's reputation in tatters for continuing to employ such a man and letting him have the career he had, and the victims can't get any kind of legal closure because he's dead.

[Z]

Haven't the allegations floated around for a while but because of who he is there's never been anything to really come of it, it's true that as Alex said very few women actually report rape and very few cases that go to courts end in a guilty verdict, it'd be understandable if they thought pursuing the whole thing previously would only cause more grief

See I think this 'because of who he is we didn't say anything' line is a bit ridiculous, purely because of the vilification of Gary Glitter - it's not like the media are afraid to out a famous person for their crimes.

[Livia]

Like i said before, they arn't looking for punishment against JImmy Saville, they are just telling the truth, and so it's not hurting Jimmy, but it may be helping them get over something very traumatic. Telling the truth and having people believe you is very important to abuse victims.

It's a pity they didn't tell the truth before this then. They are claiming a man was guilty, they are producing no evidence, he cannot prove otherwise as he is dead. I find it strange that these women just popped up out of nowhere with their stories of abuse that go back years, and yet no changes were ever - ever - brought against him during his lifetime. Not one charge... and yet now everyone assumes he was guilty because he was a bit odd. Fortunately, being a bit odd is still not against the law.

[lostalex]

I disagree. It hurts his legacy - and that cannot be undone now. Even if they somehow prove that he is innocent and these women are liars, it's somehow given people justification to claim he was sleazy or a pervert and that there must be some truth to these allegations. On the other hand, if they are telling the truth, then it leaves the BBC's reputation in tatters for continuing to employ such a man and letting him have the career he had, and the victims can't get any kind of legal closure because he's dead.

Well i think the BBC does have something to answer for in this case. And the BBC deserves the criticism it's getting right now. The BBC did extensive work on this story and then buried it for no reason.

[lostalex]

It's a pity they didn't tell the truth before this then. They are claiming a man was guilty, they are producing no evidence, he cannot prove otherwise as he is dead. I find it strange that these women just popped up out of nowhere with their stories of abuse that go back years, and yet no changes were ever - ever - brought against him during his lifetime. Not one charge... and yet now everyone assumes he was guilty because he was a bit odd. Fortunately, being a bit odd is still not against the law.

what evidence could they produce? did you expect them to have tape recorders or camera's watching him abuse them? what kind of evidence do you want from them??? you make it sound like these were fully grown adults. THEY WERE CHILDREN AT THE TIME! since when do we blame children for being abused? and since when do we expect children to be able to prove their abuse? don't you understand the INSIDEOUS nature of child abuse?

guess what, children arn't abused by people on camera, you can't expect children to be tape recording every second of the day to prove their abuse. This concept you have that it's not okay to tell the truth about being abused unless you have it all on camera or some kind of PROOF, how do you PROVE child abuse Livia???

[Livia]

Well i think the BBC does have something to answer for in this case. And the BBC deserves the criticism it's getting right now. The BBC did extensive work on this story and then buried it for no reason.

Maybe because he would have sued them if they'd screened it during his lifetime? And if they have tangible evidence that could have been produced while he was alive and able to face prosecution, they should be done for attempting to pervert the course of justice.

[Z]

what evidence could they produce? you make it sound like these were fully grown adults. THEY WERE CHILDREN AT THE TIME! since when do we blame children for being abused?

Well, exactly. There is no evidence they can produce now, it's just their word versus someone who cannot answer back. I really don't want to cast aspersion on people who claim to be victims of sexual abuse when they were children, because that is a truly awful experience and I really do feel for them if they are telling the truth - but the timing of this and the fact they've gone to the media smacks of attention seeking, not help seeking.

[MTVN]

See I think this 'because of who he is we didn't say anything' line is a bit ridiculous, purely because of the vilification of Gary Glitter - it's not like the media are afraid to out a famous person for their crimes.

I think it'd be a bit different for someone like Jimmy though, who was one of the most loved characters in the country and had been knighted not just by the Queen but by the Pope

[Livia]

what evidence could they produce? did you expect them to have tape recorders or camera's watching him abuse them? what kind of evidence do you want from them??? you make it sound like these were fully grown adults. THEY WERE CHILDREN AT THE TIME! since when do we blame children for being abused? and since when do we expect children to be able to prove their abuse? don't you understand the INSIDEOUS nature of child abuse?

Yes, of course I understand the nature of child abuse. But I don't believe that not one child spoke out. Not one... in all the years... and now there they are cleansing their soul on the front of the newspaper.

So I ask again... why now?

[lostalex]

No one should be feeling sorry for JImmy Saville, he got away with a lot, and the fact that he never had to answer these allegations, i'm sure he's grateful for.

[Z]

I think it'd be a bit different for someone like Jimmy though, who was one of the most loved characters in the country and had been knighted not just by the Queen but by the Pope

I understand what you mean but I just don't think the media are scared to take someone down like that. They love to build people up and tear them down again.

[Livia]

I think it'd be a bit different for someone like Jimmy though, who was one of the most loved characters in the country and had been knighted not just by the Queen but by the Pope

Let's face it... is there anyone here who didn't think he was an odd-bod? Rather than a national treasure, he was treated as a bit of a joke, wasn't he. But that doesn't mean he's necessarily guilty.

[Z]

No one should be feeling sorry for JImmy Saville, he got away with a lot, and the fact that he never had to answer these allegations, i'm sure he's grateful for.

But then on the other hand - what if he did nothing to these women? He didn't 'get away' with anything, he didn't have to answer allegations because there weren't any and now he's dead and people are dragging his name through the mud. Why wait until he's dead? They've had what, forty years to come forward with this information? I just don't think I believe this, it's my gut feeling.

[Livia]

No one should be feeling sorry for JImmy Saville, he got away with a lot, and the fact that he never had to answer these allegations, i'm sure he's grateful for.

And this is the point of my argument. You don't know for sure whether he's guilty of not... you're assuming. And there's nothing he will ever be able to do to clear his name.

[lostalex]

Yes, of course I understand the nature of child abuse. But I don't believe that not one child spoke out. Not one... in all the years... and now there they are cleansing their soul on the front of the newspaper.

So I ask again... why now?

well according to this there were people who raised questions, and they were ignored.

[Livia]

well according to this there were people who raised questions, and they were ignored.

Or were investigations made and there was found to be no substance to the allegations? Too late now ever to know for sure.

[Z]

Esther Rantzen's not exactly the most reliable of sources, she's notorious for jumping on bandwagons and stirring up the pot - both rightly and wrongly in equal measure, off the top of my head. I think I'll wait until more information becomes publicly available before I post in this thread again - but I think it's important to not write Jimmy Savile off as a sex offender before anything's even been confirmed or denied.

[lostalex]

But then on the other hand - what if he did nothing to these women? He didn't 'get away' with anything, he didn't have to answer allegations because there weren't any and now he's dead and people are dragging his name through the mud. Why wait until he's dead? They've had what, forty years to come forward with this information? I just don't think I believe this, it's my gut feeling.

they weren't women, they were children.

[the truth]

a person is innocent until proven guilty. trial by media is no trial at all, totally meaningless. If these women want to be taken seriously go to the police and provide evidence and try to prove these allegations.

[arista]

a person is innocent until proven guilty. trial by media is no trial at all, totally meaningless. If these women want to be taken seriously go to the police and provide evidence and try to prove these allegations.


The Police
are now looking into this , again.

[Nedusa]

The Police
are now looking into this , again.

What can the Police achieve by looking into this again, they will take statements from the alleged victims but no evidence ie photographic or DNA (wasn't around then) or anything that can substantiate these claims. It becomes their word against the word of a dead man who cannot answer back.

No criminal prosecution will ever be mounted so all of this is circumstantial, heresay etc...

If these women were attacked/molested/abused by him then it is outrageous that this much loved figure could hide this vile behaviour from the public for so long. And yes their story should be told and he should lose his knighthood and his name and reputation.

But if they are creating stories out of nothing or embellishing odd behaviour which may have felt uncomfortable at the time eg fruity language to gain press attention and/or monetary gain now all these years later, then how can JS ever defend himself against this.

Since Mud sticks and there's no smoke without fire even if these stories amount to nothing his reputation is toast.

A tough one to call...!!!

[lostalex]

innocent until proven guilty under THE LAW. but just because you can't prove someone is guilty doesn't mean they are innocent in REALITY.

[arista]

Well i think the BBC does have something to answer for in this case. And the BBC deserves the criticism it's getting right now. The BBC did extensive work on this story and then buried it for no reason.


Yes a Ex BBC Producer is in the Docu.

I hope it goes Online so you can watch it , Alex.


The Bloated BBC rushed out how they have no Record of this.
But Good news many that worked with him are still Alive
One Former Worker
in the docu warned Jimmy as he was with a 14 year old girl.
That Interview has been pre-viewed.

[the truth]

innocent until proven guilty under THE LAW. but just because you can't prove someone is guilty doesn't mean they are innocent in REALITY.

and it doesnt mean theyre guilty in reality either

personally i think the law should protect the accused as well as the accuser until it reaches trial. as it stands, anyone can wrongly accuse anyone of anything, shame them, detsroy their lives, get them sacked and withdraw the complaint at a later date. oh and sell the story in the mean time to make a fortune. false accusation of such a crime is almost as bad as the crime itself imho

[arista]

A new Woman who was 14 at the time
in Jersey
was taken into his van for sexual acts.

Just on Ch5News

[lostalex]

and it doesnt mean theyre guilty in reality either

personally i think the law should protect the accused as well as the accuser until it reaches trial. as it stands, anyone can wrongly accuse anyone of anything, shame them, detsroy their lives, get them sacked and withdraw the complaint at a later date. oh and sell the story in the mean time to make a fortune. false accusation of such a crime is almost as bad as the crime itself imho

no, i think as it stands now there are far more guilty people going free than innocent people put in jail. Guilty people already have it too easy, you want to have even more opportunities to get away with their crimes??? are you joking??

[Omah]

With all this speculation going on before the program, what's it going to be like when we've seen it ..... :puzzled:

[lostalex]

With all this speculation going on before the program, what's it going to be like when we've seen it ..... :puzzled:

i'm gonna watch it, and i'll be open minded when i watch it.

[Omah]

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/willheaven/100183488/how-do-paedophiles-like-jimmy-savile-get-away-with-it/

In Jimmy Savile’s case, we know there were stories circulating about his child abuse among BBC colleagues. “It was always said that Jimmy likes them young,” a veteran broadcaster told the Telegraph. One former BBC producer said: "I know for a fact that Jimmy spent a night in a rather squalid hotel with a girl who was at the most 12, or probably 10…”

So why did no one put an end to it? The answer won’t necessarily be an obvious one. Malcolm Gladwell pointed out in the New Yorker recently that “a paedophile is someone adept not just at preying on children but at confusing, deceiving, and charming the adults responsible for those children”.

Gladwell’s piece, headlined "In Plain View: How child molesters get away with it", is worth reading for one reason alone: it reveals precisely how paedophiles operate. The average child abuser is not, says Gladwell, a “dishevelled old man baldly offering candy to preschoolers”. Rather, they can be highly popular, charismatic – almost canonised by the community they live in.

Gladwell tells the story of Jerry Sandusky, a convicted child molester who was assistant football coach at Pennsylvania State University from 1969 to 1999. Like Jimmy Savile, Sandusky was a philanthropist. He founded The Second Mile, a charity that served Pennsylvania’s underprivileged youth – and he used that organisation, as well as his football coaching, to select vulnerable boys, groom them, and abuse them.

It becomes clear, in Sandusky’s case, that he wasn’t a football coach or philanthropist by coincidence. He was those two things because he was a paedophile, and because they gave him access to children he could abuse, all the while earning him the trust of adults. Gladwell makes the wider point: “Paedophiles cluster in professions that give them access to vulnerable children – teaching, the clergy, medicine.”

To me, what has emerged over the last few days proves that Jimmy Savile was not involved in children’s television and other popular TV shows by coincidence, but because they allowed him to select, groom and abuse young girls. In part, he got away with it because the Jimmy Savile public persona – the loveable, slightly creepy eccentric – was enough to distract from his very real crimes. Most people gave him the benefit of the doubt.

After Sandusky's conviction, an independent report confirmed that senior university officials had known about allegations of his abuse, but were complicit in failing to disclose them.

"In Plain View" - to those who opened their eyes ..... :o

[the truth]

no, i think as it stands now there are far more guilty people going free than innocent people put in jail. Guilty people already have it too easy, you want to have even more opportunities to get away with their crimes??? are you joking??

but what of those thousands falsely accused who lives and families are utterly destroyed? what should happen to those false accusers, who simply set out to destroy people and make fast money?

[lostalex]

but what of those thousands falsely accused who lives and families are utterly destroyed? what should happen to those false accusers, who simply set out to destroy people and make fast money?

what about those millions of victims that get no justice?

[arista]

Dee Coles


on Ch4 News Now

[GypsyGoth]

It seems like people don't want to believe it because he is perceived to have done a lot of good with his life, just like those molester priests.

[arista]

It seems like people don't want to believe it because he is perceived to have done a lot of good with his life, just like those molester priests.


Yes

I will watch the 11:10PM Docu on ITV1HD
tomorrow night

[lostalex]

Wednesday Night in the UK an expose on a beloved icon being a child molestor
Wednesday Night in the US the Presidential debate.

I can't decide which is more sordid.

[the truth]

what about those millions of victims that get no justice?

2 wrongs do not make a right
we need to fight to protect the innocent as well as prosecute the guilty
as it stands, we name and shame thousands of innocent people and destroy their lives needlessly. I have enormous sympathy for these falsely accused people, just as I have sympathy for the victims of crime
false accusation is massively underestimated in the Uk.
It should be a minimum of 5 years imprisonment.

[lostalex]

2 wrongs do not make a right
we need to fight to protect the innocent as well as prosecute the guilty
as it stands, we name and shame thousands of innocent people and destroy their lives needlessly. I have enormous sympathy for these falsely accused people, just as I have sympathy for the victims of crime
false accusation is massively underestimated in the Uk.
It should be a minimum of 5 years imprisonment.

sorry, but I disagree, i think there are far more guilty people getting away with their crimes then there are innocent people being "named and shamed" as you put it.

We need to be thinking about more ways to put guilty people in jail, not more ways to give them even more excuses to get away with it.

[arista]

Wednesday Night in the UK an expose on a beloved icon being a child molestor Wednesday Night in the US the Presidential debate. I can't decide which is more sordid.



but that US Debate is not on for Hours after our 11:10PM (thats your afternoon etc)
you do know that?

[the truth]

It seems like people don't want to believe it because he is perceived to have done a lot of good with his life, just like those molester priests.

I dont agree. People want to see the guilty brought to justice
However people do not want to see trial by media, or false accusations made out of either pure malicious, mental derangement or purely for financial gain. The crime of false accusation is one of the worst most under-punished crimes in the country. the government must address this. the trouble is, the more false accusers who make filth up in order to get revenge or maybe through mental illness or to milk money off the press or blackmail is enormous.
worse still, the false accusers waste police and judicial time and money.. this then means less time and money is spent on the legitmitae victims of these disgusting crimes.

The law under the labour government tried to be biased in favour of the accuser. this has failed. the law cannot be biased or the whole system is corrupted. The law must be balanced and justice must be blind.

[lostalex]

but that US Debate is not on for Hours after our 11:10PM
you do know that?

well that's why i'll be downloading the itv doc first and watching the debates live. but my point stands, they're both sordid.

[the truth]

sorry, but I disagree, i think there are far more guilty people getting away with their crimes then there are innocent people being "named and shamed" as you put it.

We need to be thinking about more ways to put guilty people in jail, not more ways to give them even more excuses to get away with it.

so just allow anyone accuse anyone of anything , allow any money grabber to sell a pack of lies to a tabloid (as is done on a daily basis) , then have a witch hunt so people target individuals, smash their homes, attack them, beta them to death?

the vast majority of accusations made against teachers for example turn out to be a pack of lies (over 66% in canada provided zero evidence at all) often the false accusers in families relate to family break ups.



meanwhile if it even goes to court, tax payers then spent billions on these cases, name and shame millions of innocent people, get them all sacked, no doubt many of the falsely accused will lose their families , their homes, their careers, their health and ultimately many will kill themselves with the stress. all that talent , all those innocent people and their friends and families detsroyed. you think that sounds like a fair unbiased society? that is anarchy.

you should go to the police, provide evidence and not be allowed to make false accusations just to make money and to destroy people you hate

harriet harman that total nutjob, demands in every single accusation of anything , you should always assume the accusers is `100% in the right. what hogwash. assume nothing. collect the evidence. if theres enough then it goes to court. simple. trials by media are out of control. if we followed her insane mentality , millions would be getting arrested on a daily basis. exactly how manylives does she want to destroy , shed also need around 5 million more police. ironically though accusations against the police get buried more than anything, even more than the priests paedophilia.

There should be far tighter laws on false accusation, as the number of false accusers is out of control

the law must be balanced, justice must be blind.

[the truth]

well that's why i'll be downloading the itv doc first and watching the debates live. but my point stands, they're both sordid.

so is false accusation, disgustingly sordid.

[lostalex]

so just allow anyone accuse anyone of anything , allow any money grabber to sell a pack of lies to a tabloid (as is done on a daily basis) , then have a witch hunt so people target individuals, smash their homes, attack them, beta them to death?

the vast majority of accusations made against teachers for example turn out to be a pack of lies (over 66% in canada provided zero evidence at all) often the false accusers in families relate to family break ups.



meanwhile if it even goes to court, tax payers then spent billions on these cases, name and shame millions of innocent people, get them all sacked, no doubt many of the falsely accused will lose their families , their homes, their careers, their health and ultimately many will kill themselves with the stress. all that talent , all those innocent people and their friends and families detsroyed. you think that sounds like a fair unbiased society? that is anarchy.

you should go to the police, provide evidence and not be allowed to make false accusations just to make money and to destroy people you hate

harriet harman that total nutjob, demands in every single accusation of anything , you should always assume the accusers is `100% in the right. what hogwash. assume nothing. collect the evidence. if theres enough then it goes to court. simple. trials by media are out of control. if we followed her insane mentality , millions would be getting arrested on a daily basis. exactly how manylives does she want to destroy , shed also need around 5 million more police. ironically though accusations against the police get buried more than anything, even more than the priests paedophilia.

There should be far tighter laws on false accusation, as the number of false accusers is out of control

the law must be balanced, justice must be blind.

what kind of evidence do you expect them to provide? you think a child being sexually terrorized has the chance to take DNA swabs?? wtf.

[Kazanne]

well apparently there WAS an accusation in Jersey I think they said,but they couldn't find enough evidence

[Mystic Mock]

If he really done it then it's a disgrace that it's took so long because his a celebrity.

[arista]

well apparently there WAS an accusation in Jersey I think they said,but they couldn't find enough evidence


Yes but Now she (Dee Coles) was on Our News today
saying at 14
Jimmy took her and her mate into his Van
for Sex.

And he was so Strong - she could not stop him.

So Now Police are on to that, at last.

[arista]

If he really done it then it's a disgrace that it's took so long because his a celebrity.

Who Knew PM's
and Used His Power of Charity and the BBC.

bad days back then.

[lostalex]

The Truth I think is just playing a bit of devil's advocate. I don't think he/she really believes the things he/she says.

[Nedusa]

Maybe the Saville family can try and get a Court Injunction which stops this programme on the grounds of Slander

[Mystic Mock]

Slander which probably is true.

[Scarlett.]

There was always rumours about him, even before he popped his clogs, so I wouldnt be surprised

[Omah]

The BBC is removing all programmes featuring Savile from its schedules, including re-runs of Top of the Pops on BBC4.

West Yorkshire officers are believed to have investigated Savile’s activities in the 1970s aboard a boat on the Leeds canal.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2211686/Sir-Jimmy-Savile-At-BBC-orders-Savile-inquiry-U-turn-pressure-mounts-TV-chiefs-claims-30-year-old-cover-up.html#ixzz28Ba12EZM

[Livia]

It's hard to sue someone for slander/defamation/libel when the person being slandered is dead. Almost impossible... a legal minefield.

[Omah]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/sir-jimmy-savile-child-abuse-1356905
Sir Jimmy Savile could be posthumously stripped of his knighthood in the wake of sickening child abuse allegations.

A Cabinet Office source confirmed the “unprecedented” move will be considered if the claims are found to have substance.

Savile was knighted in the Queen’s Birthday Honours list in 1990, in addition to an OBE he received in 1971 for services to charity and broadcasting.

If the allegations are "found to have substance", the stripping of all honours would seem to be the only available "punishment" ..... :idc:

[Omah]

"My mother had to take me for an illegal abortion"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2212032/I-virgin-16-Jimmy-Savile-raped-My-mother-illegal-abortion.html#ixzz28CQOOFcX

A woman has told how she became pregnant after Jimmy Savile lured her to a hotel room and raped her when she was a 16-year-old virgin.

She described how he forced her on to the bed. The pretty blonde teenager weighed just six-and-a-half stone.

Now 65, she recalled the ‘shame’ of being taken to a doctor by her mother to have an illegal abortion, without painkillers, and spent two years paying back her grandmother for the cost of the procedure.

Jeez ..... :sad:

[arista]

It gets worse
From ITV News, just now


BBC Newsnight scrapped a Report
about Gary Glitter and Jimmy
both fecking 14 year old girls.



BBC Newsnight - You cowards


Feck You

[Scarlett.]

This is an interesting watch

xu0ch0_louis-theroux-2000-jimmy-saville_shortfilms

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-19813151

Security at the cemetery where TV presenter and DJ Sir Jimmy Savile is buried is being reviewed, Scarborough Borough Council has said.

Andy Skelton, head of environmental services said the council was "reviewing the security arrangements" at Woodlands Cemetery.

A wise move ..... :pipe:

[arista]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/oct/03/bbc-jimmy-savile-abuse-claims

This goes way back to 1973.


The BBC bosses are Scum
like dead JS

[Mystic Mock]

I agree Arista.

[the truth]

I dont take anything the tabloids write as proof of anything.
jimmy saville worked with kids for 50 years , raised £40 million for charity. now after hes dead a few women decide to sell diirty stories about him to tabloids? where have they been for 40 years? why didnt they do it when he was alive to answer these questions and to seek justice in courts? I think the way theyve gone about it is disgusting. a dead man cant defend himself. I got my jim'll fix it badge, I was inspired by his magnificent deeds and charity work and probably benefitted from it in one way or another. none of these unsubstantiated trial by tabloid, kangaroo court angry mod rule lurid claims will make a tiny difference to my opinion of sir jimmy. provide evidence, some proof, take it to the courts and then we will see if he is guilty or not. I seem to recall michael jackson was accused by even more people, thnakfully he was alive to defend himself and he was in fact cleared 100% innocent. both whacky, both eccentric, both vastly rich , both made tens of millions for charities. but neither has been proven guilty of any paedophilia. these are easy targets for the get rich quick chavs in america and uk. if there is a genuine victim, she or he needs to get to the police and provide as much evidence as possible and fight in court. sadly its still 30 years too late. doing it for money through the tabloids gets no respect from me.

[Kazanne]

The press were remorseless with Michael Jackson,I felt so sorry for him,but mud sticks and although he was found 100% innocent,some people STILL call him a peadophille,Gary Glitter and co had an easier time of it than Michael Jackson.

[the truth]

The press were remorseless with Michael Jackson,I felt so sorry for him,but mud sticks and although he was found 100% innocent,some people STILL call him a peadophille,Gary Glitter and co had an easier than Michael Jackson.

michael jackson was a poor black kid from a shack in mississippi, who became the biggest entertainer ever. how is anyone supposed to handle that. could anyone? he was confused, eccentric, creative, brilliant, caring, lost, pained and always searching for that lost childhood. but above all else he was profoundly naive in many ways. on the stage he commaned the world, off it, it was a circus. yet another star destroyed by the mob mentality created by the trash tabloid withc hunts....how many papers and magazines did jacko stories sell for them eh? millions

if any of thoese people were concerned with his alleged liking for children, why did they keep sending their kids there, why did they keep taking the gifts, why didnt the authorities insist public servants and social workers of some kind were involved in regulating neverland?

I watched a documentary once where he bought a vase for half a million without even looking at it as he walked out the door.....his was a world beyond surreal..meanwhile the documentary maker stitched him up and tried to make him look bad , just to make a name for himself (martin bashir) ..everyone wanted him and his talent and his lifestyle and his money and his mystery.....no allegation was ever proved at all. he was found innocent. but alas it destroyed him and he died shortly afterwards after his producers tried to make a few hundred million dollars off him by selling 50 michael jackson shows back to back...they still made millions from his dvd after his death

the world is a sick place.

[Kazanne]

michael jackson was a poor black kid from a shack in mississippi, who became the biggest entertainer ever. how is anyone supposed to handle that. could anyone? he was confused, eccentric, creative, brilliant, caring, lost, pained and always searching for that lost childhood. but above all else he was profoundly naive in many ways. on the stage he commaned the world, off it, it was a circus. yet another star destroyed by the mob mentality created by the trash tabloid withc hunts....how many papers and magazines did jacko stories sell for them eh? millions

if any of thoese people were concerned with his alleged liking for children, why did they keep sending their kids there, why did they keep taking the gifts, why didnt the authorities insist public servants and social workers of some kind were involved in regulating neverland?

I watched a documentary once where he bought a vase for half a million without even looking at it as he walked out the door.....his was a world beyond surreal..meanwhile the documentary maker stitched him up and tried to make him look bad , just to make a name for himself (martin bashir) ..everyone wanted him and his talent and his lifestyle and his money and his mystery.....no allegation was ever proved at all. he was found innocent. but alas it destroyed him and he died shortly afterwards after his producers tried to make a few hundred million dollars off him by selling 50 michael jackson shows back to back...they still made millions from his dvd after his death

the world is a sick place.

I agree with this the truth,I watched that documentry the poor guy was stitched up like a kipper,I hated the press for what they did to him.

[arista]

Docu on ITv1HD and ITV1
now

[Kazanne]

Watching this with interest Arista

[arista]

He is Guilty

[Omah]

Docu on ITv1HD and ITV1
now

Yeah, watched it ..... nothing transmitted that we hadn't heard already this week, but I got the feeling that what we now know really IS just the tip of the iceberg - JS, alive, may have been a master manipulator and a bully to boot, but, dead, he threatens no-one ..... :idc:

[Omah]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/oct/04/jimmy-savile-television?newsfeed=true

As is now commonly the case with high-profile factual films and books, the contents of Exposure: The Other Side of Jimmy Savile had been gutted and discussed for days in advance.

The film's advantage over the week-long filleting of its findings in print was the sharp use of archive footage. A clip from a BBC show called Clunk-Click, in which Savile and guest star Gary Glitter snuggle up to teenage female studio guests now seems chillingly giveaway, with Savile leering: "He's got two. I shouldn't be giving girls away!"

:eek:

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-19820017

Sussex police have confirmed a complaint of sexual assault against Sir Jimmy Savile in 2008 was dropped because the woman involved wouldn't take the matter further.

The attack was alleged to have taken place in Worthing in 1970. But Police said the victim was "unwilling to co-operate in any investigation".

Sussex police said in a statement that a 59-year old woman had reported an assault in March 2008, revealing it had taken place on sometime between May 1970 and September 1970.

[lostalex]

The press were remorseless with Michael Jackson,I felt so sorry for him,but mud sticks and although he was found 100% innocent,some people STILL call him a peadophille,Gary Glitter and co had an easier time of it than Michael Jackson.

MJ wasn't found innocent, he was found not guilty, there's a difference.

Innocent means it's been proven that someone didn't do something. Not Guilty just means there's not enough evidence to be found guilty under the law.

[Niamh.]

An extract from Jimmy Savilles Autobiography :

http://imageshack.us/a/img26/3414/jimmyd.png

[Kazanne]

An extract from Jimmy Savilles Autobiography :

http://imageshack.us/a/img26/3414/jimmyd.png

:shocked::shocked:food for thought right there

[Omah]

Another extract from Jimmy Savilles Autobiography :

He describes another encounter with a young girl in his E-type Jaguar on a stormy seafront

Savile explains: “The inside of an E-type is not over capacious and just now seemed to be full of wet body, long black hair, legs and bikini panties.

“Apparently she had been sitting in a car down at the barrier with her parents, seen me go through, jumped out, run along the sea road and here she was.

“Such a start had to mean a good night.” He added: “Should the reader feel that her folks appear unconcerned, you would not believe the stories I might tell you about some parents.”

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/jimmy-saviles-autobiography-shock-as-pages-1359536

[Omah]

More :

Savile describes being caught naked in his caravan with another gaggle of young groupies. He wrote: “The heat of the albeit innocent night had caused the girls to shed the majority of their day clothes. In some cases all.

“We all resembled some great human octopus. Again the knock.

“One of the girls rose from the human pile like Venus. Peering out of the curtain she became rigid with fright.

“‘It’s my mother and father,’ she hissed. There was a silent movie pandemonium. Escape was uppermost in my mind but that was impossible.”

See also :

http://a.yfrog.com/img875/9325/ol9w.png

[Niamh.]

Livia and Lostalex, I've moved your posts to a new thread, it's an interesting topic but a bit off topic in here :laugh:

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=213450

[Livia]

Livia and Lostalex, I've moved your posts to a new thread, it's an interesting topic but a bit off topic in here :laugh:

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=213450

LOL... soz x

[bbfan1991]

Exposure really was disturbing yesterday:(.

I felt sorry for the women and at first I could not understand why it took them to come forward this long now the disgusting man is dead, although I got it in the end when they said they were scared and he was a big star in those days so were worried about what he would do and of course.

It really was hard to watch when the women were going into details of what he had done to them.

The most terrible thing is that if some people actually knew what he was doing and kept quiet, to me that makes them bad as him. I hope he rots in hell and has his knighthood stripped!

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Have you all read that he had a sex pact with Gary Glitter?


Watching this clip of Glitter on jim fix it made me feel sick because first of all how inappropriate, suggestive and maybe telling is that song??! "i'll get you whether you like it or not? :bored:

o0ZPr0PIaLQ

and @ 0:09 "do you wanna touch?" gary leans towards girl. Look at her face as she says oh yeah. Maybe i'm reading too much into it but it looks like the face of someone who heard that question outside of the performance. And then the way they both drooled over her at the end :bawling: the way gary and kimmy looked at each other as jimmy put emphasis on the word "shy"..was that some kind of paedo code for vulnerable young girl, at our mercy, in awe of our starness? :bawling:

[arista]

Yes Gary and Jimmy at the BBC.


And Now BBC2 Newsnight says
it will play that Report they banned.
Ref: Live Radio 5


I hope this comes up in Tonights Question Time BBC1.

[arista]

"Exposure really was disturbing yesterday"


Yes but as it went out a 11:10PM
I say well done to ITV.


The BBC are in trouble over this
Jimmy even letting fellow peado Glitter
assault kids



The Fact he is Dead - Is Good
as he stopped all these getting in the press.
Fact.

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19837906

This week it emerged that Surrey, Sussex and Jersey Police had received complaints about Sir Jimmy but concluded there was not enough evidence to pursue them.

The Met is currently considering a number of allegations including a rape claim from some years ago referred to it by Surrey Police, while Northamptonshire Police have been contacted by two alleged victims.

Now 5 police forces involved ..... :idc:

[arista]

From Ch4 News Jon Snow asked why BBC Newsnight
did not show the report as it was like ITV1's report
The BBC bloke said he did not know why it was stopped.
Typical

[Omah]

Also on C4 news - audio recording of Savile and little girl - the latter is subject to inappropriate suggestions and is heard to say "you're crushing me" and "get off my backside"

:eek:

[arista]

Yes Well Done Ch4News

[Omah]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4570674/Jimmy-Savile-groped-9-year-old-girl.html#ixzz28MXQonUE

JIMMY Savile abused a girl of NINE at a notorious children’s home in Jersey, it was claimed yesterday.

He put his hand up her skirt and touched her intimately — then did the same to her 11-year-old sister.

The nine-year-old is the youngest person said to have been abused by the Jim’ll Fix It star, who died last year aged 84. Her older sister, now in her 50s, told yesterday for the first time of the attack at the Haut de la Garenne home.

She said hordes of excited children had been bussed across the island to meet the star at the children’s home when he was at the height of his TV fame.

She said: “My sister was sitting on his lap — he was a pervert. He put his hand up my dress and also my sister’s and fumbled around.

“She was nine and I was 11 at the time in 1971. I just ran away and took my sister away from him.”

The older sister made an allegation of indecent assault in 2007 to police at the start of a three-year investigation into child abuse on the island.

She said yesterday she told them of Savile’s abuse when they interviewed her after a picture emerged of him with children from the home. The woman added: “It was brushed under the carpet. There should be an independent inquiry.”

The TV and radio personality initially lied that he had ever been there. Eventually he admitted he had been to Jersey but it was “a million years ago”.

Police found dungeons at the home, where children were systematically abused and tortured.

[MTVN]

Why the change in title?

[Mystic Mock]

This guy sounded like a right nasty bastard.

[Omah]

Why the change in title?

To reflect the latest (relevant) direction in thread content .....

The original title was "Jimmy Savile raped me"

[lostalex]

Change the title back, it's not funny. You don't need to change the title every time the daily mail has a new headline.
Jimmy Savile accused of sex crimes against minors. that title will do.

[arista]

"Change the title back, it's not funny. "


No Alex its
Omahs thread


Also it was not DM
its the sun.

[lostalex]

it was not DM
its the sun.

same difference. :rolleyes:

[Omah]

Change the title back, it's not funny..

It isn't supposed to be ..... :nono:

You don't need to change the title every time the daily mail has a new headline

Check my sources ..... :wink:

[Livia]

The thread title is surely missing the word "allegedly".

[Omah]

The thread title is surely missing the word "allegedly".

Nope, because I'm quoting and not saying - if the Mirror had said "allegedly", I would have quoted it ..... :pipe:

[Mystic Mock]

It's true Livia as why are so many people coming out saying that he did it?

[billy123]

The thread title is surely missing the word "allegedly".Do you really expect anything else from someone that uses the scum as a source?

[lostalex]

Accused would suffice.

[Omah]

Do you really expect anything else from someone that uses the scum as a source?

Are you personally attacking me ?

:conf:

[Livia]

It's true Livia as why are so many people coming out saying that he did it?

You don't know it's true, Mock. You are going on unsubtantiated accounts. Don't get me wrong, if some evidence appears, even the smallest piece of evidence that would give substance to all the other claims, then I might rethink it. But right now, we have a dead man who cannot defend himself over what's being claimed, and a whole host of people who said nothing at the time.

[lostalex]

Are you personally attacking me ?

:conf:

don't worry about him, he's still "discovering" himself.

[Livia]

Nope, because I'm quoting and not saying - if the Mirror had said "allegedly", I would have quoted it ..... :pipe:

Oh I know that the tabloid press would never lie to us. Right? They're so trustworthy and honourable.

[lostalex]

You don't know it's true, Mock. You are going on unsubtantiated accounts. Don't get me wrong, if some evidence appears, even the smallest piece of evidence that would give substance to all the other claims, then I might rethink it. But right now, we have a dead man who cannot defend himself over what's being claimed, and a whole host of people who said nothing at the time.
... and we also have dozens of very much alive women who have no reason to lie and just as much right to tell their stories...

[Mystic Mock]

You don't know it's true, Mock. You are going on unsubtantiated accounts. Don't get me wrong, if some evidence appears, even the smallest piece of evidence that would give substance to all the other claims, then I might rethink it. But right now, we have a dead man who cannot defend himself over what's being claimed, and a whole host of people who said nothing at the time.

I would normally agree with what your saying as I did defend Michael Jackson at the time, but to me this is one of those rare cases that now that the person is dead the victims don't feel scared to speak about it anymore, and what have they got to gain from calling him a paedophile now his dead? his not gonna get punished for it.

[lostalex]

I don't understand this argument that He's not alive so it's not fair. even if he was alive, would he be able to defend himself from these accusations? It all happened 30 years ago, obviously no one has any concrete evidence. It would still just be a he said/lots of shes said.

[arista]

Are you personally attacking me ?

:conf:


No he is not
he just hates that paper
thats all.

[Tom4784]

I think the same as Livia, I find it a little suspicious that so many people who was allegedly abused by this man remained silent until now. Why wait until he is dead? Why didn't they bring forth these claims when he was alive when he could have been brought to justice?

It's things like that which lead me to believe that they are looking to make a quick buck from someone who cannot defend themselves now. If I'm wrong I'll put my hands up and say it but I think something smells with the whole story.

[Mystic Mock]

But will they make that much money off a dead person really? if they are lying I would think they would want to do it while his still alive and famous.

[lostalex]

I think the same as Livia, I find it a little suspicious that so many people who was allegedly abused by this man remained silent until now. Why wait until he is dead? Why didn't they bring forth these claims when he was alive when he could have been brought to justice?

It's things like that which lead me to believe that they are looking to make a quick buck from someone who cannot defend themselves now. If I'm wrong I'll put my hands up and say it but I think something smells with the whole story.

are any of them making a quick buck?

[lostalex]

i would think if you wanted to make a buck, it'd be much smarter to do it while he was still alive, so you know, they could actually get something out of him?

it's now been proven that they've been making these accusations for a long time (the BBC buried it), it's just now that the media is giving them any attention.

But as far as i know, none of the women making accusations has asked for a single red cent.

[Livia]

I would normally agree with what your saying as I did defend Michael Jackson at the time, but to me this is one of those rare cases that now that the person is dead the victims don't feel scared to speak about it anymore, and what have they got to gain from calling him a paedophile now his dead? his not gonna get punished for it.

I have no idea what they have to gain, although a fair few of them have sold their stories for cash, which always weakens credibility, I think. If so many people were involved, and so many people knew, doesn't it strike you as strange considering the volume of them who are finding their voice now, that none of them came forward during his lifetime? I understand the difficulty when they were children, but some of these women are now in their fifties, and at no time did any of them feel strong enough to speak out? This isn't the first case of someone being accused after they're dead, it just happens to suit the public feeling because Jimmy Saville was creepy and an oddbod which is not against the law.

[Mystic Mock]

I have no idea what they have to gain, although a fair few of them have sold their stories for cash, which always weakens credibility, I think. If so many people were involved, and so many people knew, doesn't it strike you as strange considering the volume of them who are finding their voice now, that none of them came forward during his lifetime? I understand the difficulty when they were children, but some of these women are now in their fifties, and at no time did any of them feel strong enough to speak out? This isn't the first case of someone being accused after they're dead, it just happens to suit the public feeling because Jimmy Saville was creepy and an oddbod which is not against the law.

It depends if he threatened them or whatever, also aswell he was a powerful man in the Showbiz world and everyone knows that if your famous you don't get into much trouble with the law so they probably gave up pressing charges at the time.

[Livia]

It depends if he threatened them or whatever, also aswell he was a powerful man in the Showbiz world and everyone knows that if your famous you don't get into much trouble with the law so they probably gave up pressing charges at the time.

People keep saying what a powerful man he was, and maybe he was in the area of charity fundraising... but in the last, certainly ten years, he became a bit of a joke. If he was so all-powerful, how did Louis Theroux manage to make such a mockery of him during his documentary and get away with it?

Also, it's not true to say if you're famous you don't get into trouble. Ask George Michael... Ask Hugh Grant... Ask Boy George... Ask any of those people richer and more famous that Jimmy who've fallen foul of the law.

The police do not "give up pressing charges". The Crown Prosecution Service decides which cases will go court based on the evidence. If there's a reliable witness willing to press charges, it's easier to get a prosecution, but sadly, while he was alive, there were no reliable witnesses willing to give evidence.

[joeysteele]

But will they make that much money off a dead person really? if they are lying I would think they would want to do it while his still alive and famous.

I am breaking one of my rules and coming onto an Omah thread,(sorry Omah), just to say, I have a lot of doubts on this story and am more with Livia and Dezzy's thoughts at present.

Jimmy Savile in the 1960's and early 70s too, was only a radio dj, not the great charity master or imposing TV presenter he became later and his claim to TV was in the main Top of the Pops.

Like Livia stated,if solid and undisputable evidence was substantiated then I would re-think as to this obviously.
However,I would then still likely need to hear the other side, as to the dates for instance, Jimmy Savile could well have been able to say and possibly even prove he was elsewhere with other people at the times some of these alleged assaults took place.

As to wanting or not wanting to do this while he was alive rather than now he is dead, the big difference is,if they were proven to be untrue,if alive Jimmy Saville could sue for damages, now he is dead though he cannnot, as you cannot be considered as libelling someone who is dead.

If they are true, they are really awful but in all cases of crimes or anything of a disputed nature really,all sides have to be heard and in this instance,now, Jimmy Saville's side can never be heard as to these alleged assaults.
Therefore as Lostalex rightly states too, it would be a case of he said/did and she said/did situation.

[lostalex]

If he was so all-powerful, how did Louis Theroux manage to make such a mockery of him during his documentary and get away with it?

maybe he was just grateful not to be called a child molester?

[arista]

Well done Janet Street Porter
on BBC1 Question Time
said its right that the Police are looking into JS
and she said he used his Charity
to stop anyone
saying anything about him and his 14 year old girls.

[Omah]

http://www.channel4.com/news/jimmy-savile-audio-emerges-of-unpleasant-encounter

Tape has emerged which appears to be a recording of one of the late Jimmy Savile's off-air conversations with a "young woman". Some viewers may find parts of this report distressing.

Starts @ 01.06

What appears to be a young "girl" rather than "woman" is subject to inappropriate "conversation" and is heard to say "get off" "you're squashing me" and "get off my backside"

:yuk:

[Omah]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9588692/The-Metropolitan-Police-forced-to-investigate-Sir-Jimmy-Savile-as-dozens-more-abuse-allegations-are-made.html

It is understood dozens have contacted police forces around the country, national newspapers and the broadcaster.

One of them is believed to be the first male to claim he was molested by the children's TV presenter, when he was a boy aged just 12.

[arista]

"Jimmy Savile Statue Torn Down At Glasgow Leisure Centre After Rape Allegations"

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/10/03/jimmy-saville-statue-glasgow-leisure-rape-child-abuse_n_1935350.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular


They need to do more
The BBC shows his old Top of The Pops on BBC4

[Nedusa]

Charged, tried , convicted and executed in the court of Public opinion

The Man is clearly a Monster, is there anyone he hasn't molested in UK. He is a serial rapist and probably a Paedophile ..... (Allegedly)

[Omah]

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/north-east-news/evening-chronicle-news/2012/10/05/jimmy-savile-s-great-north-run-honour-under-threat-72703-31972905/

SIR Jimmy Savile could be stripped of his place in the Great North Run Hall of Fame, following accusations he abused children.

Four police forces are now investigating complaints that the former Top of the Pops host, who died a year ago aged 84, raped and sexually assaulted girls in the 1960s and 1970s.

And in response, the Jim’ll Fix It star could lose his place among those who have made the Newcastle to South Shields race one of the nation’s most popular sporting fixtures.

David Hart, communications director at race organisers Nova International, said the firm had never before had to consider taking out someone who had been inducted to the Hall of Fame.

“We’re monitoring the situation and will keep an open mind at this early stage.”

:idc:

[Livia]

Lots of people may... or may not do something... or nothing... in the rising tide of public opinion formed almost entirely of fabrication and hearsay with no solid evidence to speak of. And yet... the press have got thousands of column inches out of this story and ruined the reputation of a dead man without the slightest regard or care that he is innocent until proven guilty.

We are a country controlled by the tabloid press. It makes me ashamed.

[arista]

"a country controlled by the tabloid press."


No the BBC stopped their BBC Newsnight Report
now they will show it.


The ITV1HD Docu was because the fecking BBC
kept it under wraps.

[Livia]

We're going to have to agree to disagree on this one, Arista. At least until someone produces some tangible evidence.

[arista]

Well I want to see the banned BBC Newsnight report.


You are aware of Gary Glitter
one JS show they had a kid each.

Glitter has been proved in Asia with child in his bed.


JS is Guilty of being a monster like Glitter

[Livia]

Well I want to see the banned BBC Newsnight report.


You are aware of Gary Glitter
one JS show they had a kid each.

Glitter has been proved in Asia with kids.


JS is Guilty of being a monster like Glitter


Interesting that you use the word "guilty". He has not been found guilty anywhere... except by people who've listened to lots of fractured accounts, snippets and soundbites.

Also interesting - but wide of the mark - is your 'guilt by association' assumption.

Like I said... give me proof or I will assume there is nothing to answer.

[arista]

The proof will come soon.
It takes time when the BBC first said Nothing, for example
Now permitting police to look at the cases.

[Omah]

Interesting that you use the word "guilty". He has not been found guilty anywhere... except by people who've listened to lots of fractured accounts, snippets and soundbites.

Also interesting - but wide of the mark - is your 'guilt by association' assumption.

Like I said... give me proof or I will assume there is nothing to answer.

Recording from Savile's Travels :

Savile : Who’s your best pal, tell me

Young Girl : I’m not telling you ..... Noel Edmonds

Savile : He’s not

Young Girl : He is

Savile : No he’s not

Young Girl : Get off me

Savile : He’s a married man

Young Girl : I don’t care

Savile : Yes you do

Young Girl : Get Off

Savile : I won’t

Young Girl : You’re squashing me

Savile : Not until you say me

Young Girl : Me

Savile : He’s not

Young Girl : He is

Savile : Ooh, there, who’s you’re best pal

Young Girl : You’re the best pal, get off my backside

Savile : Eh, I beg your pardon

Should a middle-aged man be talking to a child like that ?

And WTF is he doing to her "backside"

[Marcus.]

Recording from Savile's Travels :



Should a middle-aged man be talking to a child like that ?

And WTF is he doing to her "backside"

1.No he should not
2. grabbing it

[Kazanne]

Recording from Savile's Travels :



Should a middle-aged man be talking to a child like that ?

And WTF is he doing to her "backside"

Yes ,he was actually recorded saying this,I saw it on TV this morning,that one can't be denied,the girl sounded scared aswell.

[arista]

He was Guilty
Only in Public as he is dead


Original BBC newsnight Report still to be shown

[Kazanne]

dave cash just been on saying he regrets not saying anything about saville as some of the things he did made him feel uncomfortable !!

[Vicky.]

So...40 people suddenly come out of the woodwork when he dies saying these things...interesting

[Jake.]

I don't beleive that every single one of these 'victims' is lying. Is it not possible that it is only now that they have the confidence to speak out, one after another? I suppose unless you have dealt with rape and sexual assault personally, you don't know what the effects are.

[arista]

Yes and more will be going out to the police.


Another week of it
due to the BBC first saying they knew nothing at first
now they will show the banned Newsnight report soon.

[Vicky.]

There might well be some genuine victims. But I find it hard to believe that 40 people kept a vow of silence until the guy died. Muchmore likely IMO that a load of people are just trying to cash in on this now, get a bit of attention and maybe some $$$ from the rags.

These people are scum IMO, as it diverts attention from genuine cases. No way do I believe that 40 people all kept quiet until now.

[Vicky.]

There might well be some genuine victims. But I find it hard to believe that 40 people kept a vow of silence until the guy died. Muchmore likely IMO that a load of people are just trying to cash in on this now, get a bit of attention and maybe some $$$ from the rags.

These people are scum IMO, as it diverts attention from genuine cases. No way do I believe that 40 people all kept quiet until now.

[Omah]

So...40 people suddenly come out of the woodwork when he dies saying these things...interesting

There'll be more ..... ;)

[Jake.]

There might well be some genuine victims. But I find it hard to believe that 40 people kept a vow of silence until the guy died. Muchmore likely IMO that a load of people are just trying to cash in on this now, get a bit of attention and maybe some $$$ from the rags.

These people are scum IMO, as it diverts attention from genuine cases. No way do I believe that 40 people all kept quiet until now.

Oh no, there are probably a few trollops hoping to make a dime, but not every case can be written off.

[Vicky.]

There'll be more ..... ;)

I dont doubt it. Lets all jump on the bandwagon eh? Why not...

[Jake.]

Apparently he sneezed in Marc's face but Marc is a bit of a tart really

[Omah]

Oh no, there are probably a few trollops hoping to make a dime, but not every case can be written off.

Certainly not a frightened child saying "get off my backside" ..... :eek: