Margaret Thatcher has Died of a stroke [Speak your mind]

[arista]

Now


Died from a Stroke


A Great PM for us.

http://news.sky.com/story/1075292/margaret-thatcher-dies-after-stroke


SkyNewsHD Live

[Jack_]

:o

[Ammi]

..oh wow..I don't know why that's a shock because I know she had been ill for a while...:sad:....

..RIP Iron Lady....

[Marc]

Oh wow

[Kizzy]

Sad day for her family.

[arista]

Oh wow

It had to happen

[arista]

Sad day for her family.

Very True Kizzy

[thesheriff443]

a great woman, rip

[Marc]

It had to happen

Yea obviously. Sad though

[arista]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Thatcher

Updated fast


born 13 October 1925 - died 8 April 2013

[Jesus.]

There is a lot I'd normally post here, but I'd probably end up with a ban.

The world is a better place.

[SSL2012]

The worst pm..

Rip however, dont wish her ill.

[Suze]

Like or loathe her, she made/was a big impact in politics for right or wrong reasons. She has left this world now, so R.I.P Margaret Thatcher.

[Nedusa]

A great Prime Minister........ her brilliance was on a par with George W Bush's...

[arista]

NDTV is using SkyNews Live
for this

[Jake.]

She made some great and not very great choices, but R.I.P to this bold, brash lady

[arista]

A great Prime Minister........ her brilliance was on a par with George W Bush's...


No far better than Bush

[arista]

Yes From a Corner Shop
she changed the UK (not the way JHC wanted)
and Won the Falkands War.

[Jesus.]

She wasn't a great lady. She was a lady who achieved success. The 2 things are very different.

[arista]

She wasn't a great lady. She was a lady who achieved success. The 2 things are very different.


Very True
due to Labour Party stuck in the past

[MTVN]

Like or loathe her, she made/was a big impact in politics for right or wrong reasons. She has left this world now, so R.I.P Margaret Thatcher.

Definitely, however much people might dislike her she has had a greater influence on British politics than anyone else in recent decades, RIP to her

[Kizzy]

Yes her policies are being used today... and aren't we all having a jolly time?...

[GiRTh]

My thoughts go out to her family.

The tributes are gonna be interesting. The programming on TV will be too. Obviously, this is a tragedy but the influence she had on this country is not appreciated by a great many people.

[Nedusa]

Yes From a Corner Shop
she changed the UK (not the way JHC wanted)
and Won the Falkands War.

I have say I do not think she was a great lady, I agree she was a successful Prime Minister but her actions were questionable during the Falklands War when she ordered the strike on the General Belgrano which was leaving the theatre of operations at that time. I also think her crusade against the Miners and Unions in general was over zealous and heartless destroying whole communities en masse. I also think her introducing the "Poll Tax" was another badly thought out and unjust law.

A good Prime Minister....maybe , a great lady....... no I think not !!!!!

[MTVN]

Yes her policies are being used today... and aren't we all having a jolly time?...

And have been being used for the last 15 years or so

[Jesus.]

My thoughts go out to her family.

The tributes are gonna be interesting. The programming on TV will be too. Obviously, this is a tragedy but the influence she had on this country is not appreciated by a great many people.

The influence she had on this country was a tragedy. You have the right words, just in the wrong order.

[GiRTh]

The influence she had on this country was a tragedy. You have the right words, just in the wrong order.I was trying not to be disrespectful. Truth be told I can see myself rolling my eyes at the false tributes that are gonna be on TV.

[Ammi]

..love her or hate her, she certainly made an impact and people have their own opinions of whether she was a great PM or not such a great one..but nothing can be changed and she's dead now so what's the point in disagreeing over any of it....

[Kazanne]

Sad news,thoughts with her family.

[arista]

87 years old
a good run


http://jeremyrowe1.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/margaret-thatcher-1979-ma-0251.jpg
1979 start of the long run as UK PM
then out in 1990

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01393/1990-leaving_1393068i.jpg

[Jack_]

She may be dead but her legacy lives on, Thatcherism isn't dead and thus there's no reason to celebrate.

I detest the bitch but my thoughts are with her family. RIP.

[Redway]

Even if she did make some mistakes, so have other politicians and I daresay there are more to come who will also generate mixed/negative views. Just take a look at the current bastards we have running this nation, making a complete mess of the benefits system and all.

RIP. :(

[arista]

She may be dead but her legacy lives on, Thatcherism isn't dead and thus there's no reason to celebrate.

I detest the bitch but my thoughts are with her family. RIP.


Yes Jack
and Blairism

http://www.impactnottingham.com/s/one/7893.jpg

[Wildcat!]

My thoughts go out to her family.

The tributes are gonna be interesting. The programming on TV will be too. Obviously, this is a tragedy but the influence she had on this country is not appreciated by a great many people.

Same here! She was a scary lady at times, but still, an icon and a Trail Blazer. May she rest in peace. And my condoleances to Great Britain.

[the truth]

RIP...perhaps its too soon to truly evaluate her legacy. Much hatred will follow. the millions of miners will be the loudest detractors, as will the NHS and may other commmunities destroyed. she also made the rich infinitely richer and the poor, poorer, she closed all the coal mines and lost 1000 years of coal and jobs..that was a disaster that UK will NEVER recover from. she privatised all the worng things such as the utilities, gas, water, electricity etc which are basically monopolies, who overcharge and enslave the poor for decades to come. how many have died of cold due to this? thousands. another sad legacy. she didnt seem to do so much for small businesses as some claimed. she also brought in VAT which crippled small businesses ? very odd.

.On the other hand, look at the utter disaster labour were? look at the state of the UK in 1970s under labour..she also told europe to F off and righly so....in fact the riots over poll taxes when the bill was only £70, whereas under labour its up to £2000+
labour failed hopelessly to counter her arguments, although kinnock was racially abused by the horrific right wing press.

In the meantime respect and love to her family and farewell to a complex somewhat frightening lady

[Omah]

"Ding-Dong! The Witch Is Dead"

:idc:

[sooty]

Margaret Thacher was a great prime minister. R.I.P.

[Redway]

"Ding-Dong! The Witch Is Dead"

:idc:

You could show a bit more respect for this ordeal.

[arista]

"Ding-Dong! The Witch Is Dead"

:idc:


Typical

[Jesus.]

You could show a bit more respect for this ordeal.

Death doesn't make someone immune to criticism, even in Britain - the world capital of professional grief.

[Kizzy]

RIP...perhaps its too soon to truly evaluate her legacy. Much hatred will follow. the millions of miners will be the loudest detractors, as will the NHS and may other commmunities destroyed. On the other hand, look at the utter disaster labour were? look at the state of the UK in 1970s under labour...in fact the riots over poll taxes when the bill was only £70, whereas under labour its up to £2000+
In the meantime respect and love to her family and farewell to a complex somewhat frightening lady

Yes workers in all areas of British industry have her to thank for the decline in the UK.
£70 each adult in the household don't forget... and what was the average weekly wage then?...
I agree with your last point totally.

[arista]

BBC1 News going on another 20mins
not needed

They have a Bloated news Channel


They Merge BBC1 with BBCNews
Bloated Feckers

[Kizzy]

You could show a bit more respect for this ordeal.

Ordeal? an old lady passed away redway....Anyone who feels her politics were not in the interests of the UK are not suddenly going to change their mind are they?

[Omah]

Typical

"Which old Witch? The Wicked Witch! Ding Dong! The Wicked Witch is dead."

:cheer2:

[arista]

"Which old Witch? The Wicked Witch! Ding Dong! The Wicked Witch is dead."

:cheer2:


Your Post

Nothing is changing
She left her job in 1990

[lostalex]

A life lived fully. Her detractors can only wish to be half as relevant to world history.

unlike the queen and royal family, she actually had to earn her place and her policies resonated with her country. She was truly the PEOPLE's Queen.

She EARNED her place in history, unlike the royal family.

[Scarlett.]

I feel for her family, but that's it, I did not like the woman.

[Kazanne]

She's getting some glowing reviews on the News channel

[Redway]

Death doesn't make someone immune to criticism, even in Britain - the world capital of professional grief.
I have no problem with people criticisng her work even if she is dead, but throwing around terms such as 'wicked old witch' is way too far. I'd rather people criticise her work, not her. At least not like that.
Ordeal? an old lady passed away redway....Anyone who feels her politics were not in the interests of the UK are not suddenly going to change their mind are they?

I never said they will (even I don't think she did a particularly good job). What I was against was Omah, as per usual, slinging around insults at people, regardless of how sensitive that context may be.

[DigitalSid]

:o

:o that she's dead or :o at the ludicrous claim that she was a great prime minister for us? :laugh:

[Jesus.]

She's getting some glowing reviews on the News channel

Most people do when they die. I'm sure George Bush will get glowing reviews when he eventually dies.

Doesn't really mean anything. The independent documentaries that will flow out will be the real measure of her impact.

[arista]

A life lived fully. Her detractors can only wish to be half as relevant to world history.

unlike the queen and royal family, she actually had to earn her place and her policies resonated with her country. She was truly the PEOPLE's Queen.

She EARNED her place in history, unlike the royal family.


Yes a State Funeral in St.Pauls
is being set up

[the truth]

A life lived fully. Her detractors can only wish to be half as relevant to world history.

unlike the queen and royal family, she actually had to earn her place and her policies resonated with her country. She was truly the PEOPLE's Queen.

She EARNED her place in history, unlike the royal family.

yes we know that but she then put millions of workers onto the scrap heap forever....she madew the gap betwene rich and poor infinitely bigger, she monopolised the utilies which results today in unaffordable bills which sees thousands of poor old people freezing to death, she raised vat so that killed off small businesses too.....she was a massive servant of the very rich....Im not saying she was all bad though. Tony blair was worse much worse.

[arista]

Well Done ITV1HD news
now doing other news


BBC1 News Stuck on Thatcher
now going onto 2PM

No need
There is other news Bloated Stupid BBC

[lostalex]

appreciate where you are. Without Thatcher would you be better off? or did she do a service for her country?

All of her detractors, i'd like to ask you, do you think she made her decisions wanting to harm to your country? or do you think she made decisions based on what she believed would be best for the UK?

I don't believe for a second that she ever wished any harm on the UK or it's people. She did her best under extremely difficult circumstances.

She made decisions based on what she believed at the time were the best decisions for your country.

She wasn't APPOINTED like the house of lords, or BORN INTO IT like the royals.

She was ELECTED.

[Redway]

appreciate where you are. Without Thatcher would you be better off? or did she do a service for her country?

All of her detractors, i'd like to ask you, do you think she made her decisions wanting to harm to your country? or do you think she made decisions based on what she believed would be best for the UK?

I don't believe for a second that she ever wished any harm on the UK or it's people. She did her best under extremely difficult circumstances.

She made decisions based on what she believed at the time were the best decisions for your country.

:lovedup:

[GiRTh]

She was a great PM cuz her influence in the country can still be seen. Personally, I think what she did to this country and what she was trying to do before she was ousted showed how out of touch she truly was and was truly deplorable. She was a great PM in terms of influence but she will never be a popular Public figure. The eulogies are gonna be fascinating for what they don't say rather than what they do say.

[Kizzy]

Well as an adult grew up in the north east, in a shadow cast by thatcherism I have to say I think you are wrong alex.

[lostalex]

Well as an adult grew up in the north east, in a shadow cast by thatcherism I have to say I think you are wrong alex.

well we don't agree on much, do we kizzy? :hugesmile:

[Brother Leon]

Not even old enough to know much about her, but my dad curses the years she was in power.

RIP anyway. Sad for her family.

[Roy Mars III]

appreciate where you are. Without Thatcher would you be better off? or did she do a service for her country?

All of her detractors, i'd like to ask you, do you think she made her decisions wanting to harm to your country? or do you think she made decisions based on what she believed would be best for the UK?

I don't believe for a second that she ever wished any harm on the UK or it's people. She did her best under extremely difficult circumstances.

She made decisions based on what she believed at the time were the best decisions for your country.

She wasn't APPOINTED like the house of lords, or BORN INTO IT like the royals.

She was ELECTED.

What leader makes decisions that they feel will harm their country. Surely your statement could be applied to President Bush or Herbert Hoover.

Her death will have no effect on her influence or ideas, so I see no point in doing anything but offering condolences to her friends and family but that doesn't change the fact that some groups will always feel negatively about her because of her policies

[arista]

ITV does Local news, well done


Bloated BBCNews on BBC1 went non stop thatcher
No Local News


BBC getting it Wrong again

[lostalex]

What leader makes decisions that they feel will harm their country. Surely your statement could be applied to President Bush or Herbert Hoover.


well there are those that believe in the conspiracy theories, that she was illuminati, and that there is a global conspiracy to hurt the middle and working classes.

there are a lot of people like that online.

[GiRTh]

appreciate where you are. Without Thatcher would you be better off? or did she do a service for her country?

All of her detractors, i'd like to ask you, do you think she made her decisions wanting to harm to your country? or do you think she made decisions based on what she believed would be best for the UK?

I don't believe for a second that she ever wished any harm on the UK or it's people. She did her best under extremely difficult circumstances.

She made decisions based on what she believed at the time were the best decisions for your country.

She wasn't APPOINTED like the house of lords, or BORN INTO IT like the royals.

She was ELECTED.There is no question in my mind that she DID NOT make decisions that were best for the UK. She made decision that possibly increased the class divide and made the spread of wealth more uneven. The poll tax/community charge is exhibit A. How can anyone argue that was for the good of the country? The miners strike was simply about winning to show how powerful she was and definitely not for the good of the country. I could go on but those are two of the top of my head.

[lostalex]

^^ see above.

[Brother Leon]

Uncle's text FFS. :joker:

"A party on Derby day on two accounts let's hope"

[Roy Mars III]

well there are those that believe in the conspiracy theories, that she was illuminati, and that there is a global conspiracy to hurt the middle and working classes.

there are a lot of people like that online.

as much as I would love if the illuminati were real, I don't think anyone can give serious credence to it

[Omah]

Yes a State Funeral in St.Pauls
is being set up

Well, I've set up the bonfire and I've just started work on the Witch - I want the effigy to as lifelike as possible ..... :evilgrin:

[Cherie]

I have say I do not think she was a great lady, I agree she was a successful Prime Minister but her actions were questionable during the Falklands War when she ordered the strike on the General Belgrano which was leaving the theatre of operations at that time. I also think her crusade against the Miners and Unions in general was over zealous and heartless destroying whole communities en masse. I also think her introducing the "Poll Tax" was another badly thought out and unjust law.

A good Prime Minister....maybe , a great lady....... no I think not !!!!!

This.

RIP MT and condolences to her family.

Meanwhile that must be a few points for someone playing the deathlist game. :D:

[Kizzy]

There is no question in my mind that she DID NOT make decisions that were best for the UK. She made decision that possibly increased the class divide and made the spread of wealth more uneven. The poll tax/community charge is exhibit A. How can anyone argue that was for the good of the country? The miners strike was simply about winning to show how powerful she was and definitely not for the good of the country. I could go on but those are two of the top of my head.

Exactamundo, the onus is on amassing the greatest wealth for a select few.
What does this remind you of?

[lostalex]

Exactamundo, the onus is on amassing the greatest wealth for a select few.
What does this remind you of?

no, the ONUS is on the British people and their democratic system, because she was democratically elected. She was elected by and supported by the PEOPLE of the UK. and it's unfair to put the onus on a single person in a democratic system.

[Kazanne]

appreciate where you are. Without Thatcher would you be better off? or did she do a service for her country?

All of her detractors, i'd like to ask you, do you think she made her decisions wanting to harm to your country? or do you think she made decisions based on what she believed would be best for the UK?

I don't believe for a second that she ever wished any harm on the UK or it's people. She did her best under extremely difficult circumstances.

She made decisions based on what she believed at the time were the best decisions for your country.

She wasn't APPOINTED like the house of lords, or BORN INTO IT like the royals.

She was ELECTED.

http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/ff460/MissRandomMonotony/applause.gif

[Scarlett.]

http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/ff460/MissRandomMonotony/applause.gif

Tony Blair was elected three times, does that make him a great man despite the warmongering in Iraq?

[lostalex]

You can't claim to be a democratic country and then place all the blame on a single leader.

[GiRTh]

no, the ONUS is on the british people and their democratic system, because she was democratically elected.And when she won the 2nd election that was the catalyst for her to change the course of the country for ever.

I will never forget when she cried as she lost the leadership. The shot of her wiping away the tears on the news. Did she cry for all the miners who lost their jobs, house, families etc? Did she cry for the people suffering under the poll tax? She cried when she finally realised that net had closed in, it was all over and she'd lost all the power she'd stepped on so many people to acquire. It summed her up.

Obviously, this is a terrible tragedy for her family but lets not lose sight of what Margaret Thatcher was really about.

[Omah]

There is no question in my mind that she DID NOT make decisions that were best for the UK. She made decision that possibly increased the class divide and made the spread of wealth more uneven. The poll tax/community charge is exhibit A. How can anyone argue that was for the good of the country? The miners strike was simply about winning to show how powerful she was and definitely not for the good of the country. I could go on but those are two of the top of my head.

Exactamundo, the onus is on amassing the greatest wealth for a select few.
What does this remind you of?

I think I know the answer to that ..... ;)

[Kizzy]

no, the ONUS is on the British people and their democratic system, because she was democratically elected. She was elected by and supported by the PEOPLE of the UK. and it's unfair to put the onus on a single person in a democratic system.

You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time...

[arista]

Well, I've set up the bonfire and I've just started work on the Witch - I want the effigy to as lifelike as possible ..... :evilgrin:

I am sure a Demo may be there trying to get on TV news

[the truth]

appreciate where you are. Without Thatcher would you be better off? or did she do a service for her country?

All of her detractors, i'd like to ask you, do you think she made her decisions wanting to harm to your country? or do you think she made decisions based on what she believed would be best for the UK?

I don't believe for a second that she ever wished any harm on the UK or it's people. She did her best under extremely difficult circumstances.

She made decisions based on what she believed at the time were the best decisions for your country.

She wasn't APPOINTED like the house of lords, or BORN INTO IT like the royals.

She was ELECTED.


no she did act out of spite imho a lot of times...the miners strike was perfect example. every single mine closed and the police used to batter the strikers. a sad time. she could at the very least have assessed which were the most economic pits and concentrated the resources into them. instead her ego got in the way and she had to destroy all miners and all mines. crazy

she destroyed all the industries, the steel works in particular too. yes the unions were out of control but they grew out of a need to protect workers rights and improve health and safety measures after the tragedies of aberfan colliery which was allowed by the rich slavemasters to collapse onto of a village school and kill 100+ children....she disamntled british steel works and rebuilt them abroad paying peanuts and owned and run by british millionaires. this practice went unreported by the right wing press

the bills now from the utilities are enslaving the poor and seeing thousands die of cold in the 6th richest nation on earth? what a disgrace. the nhs too was underfunded, though I would argue it is even worse now despite labours billions

she was in bed with murdoch who we now see for what he truly is, she helped create this deregulated financial sector too, then you have HILLSBOROUGH....which is is just enormous example of the cruel leadership she brought to bear.


Im not saying she was all bad, she was right on europe, she was mostly right on the falklands, she did make us richer overall, but it benefitted the few at the top mainly

also the right to buy seemed a fair plan imho but its now lead to a shortage of homes?

Id argue economically she didnt really practice what she preached on small business as the regulations grew and vat grew massively under her to 17.5%
on the world stage it was easy to preach against communism but she and reagan didnt preach against the excesses of the excessive free market either

it just seemed she was a massive power broker for the elite. she just didnt find the right balance , her ego seemed to get in the way

anyway rip maggie

[Nedusa]

She was an elected Politician NOT born with a silver spoon in her mouth like our "Royal" Family, I agree on that.

However, as a politician her choices directly changed the course of this Country and in my opinion adversely affected the lives of millions of ordinary hardworking people + their childen and their children. By destroying the Unions she also destroyed the bulk of our Heavy,Light and Manufacturing industries and in the process condemned whole communities, whole towns into desparate unemployment which in turn has helped to precipitate the terrible situation we have today with millions of people young and old forever destined to search for non existant work whilst struggling to survive on benefits and hand outs.

Her desire to smash Union control has shaped the Britain we now live in. The unnatural haste to deregulate public utilities for profit also forms part of her tragic legacy, to put profit for the few ahead of ensuring all citizens young and old sick and infirm can afford to heat and light their homes was truly despicable and taken together with the above and her actions re sinking the General Belgrano during the Falklands war and the introduction of the "Poll" tax ensures that her legacy will always be viewed ultimately as very damaging for this Country and the majority of its hardworking people.

[the truth]

She was an elected Politician NOT born with a silver spoon in her mouth like our "Royal" Family, I agree on that.

However, as a politician her choices directly changed the course of this Country and in my opinion adversely affected the lives of millions of ordinary hardworking people + their childen and their children. By destroying the Unions she also destroyed the bulk of our Heavy,Light and Manufacturing industries and in the process condemned whole communities, whole towns into desparate unemployment which in turn has helped to precipitate the terrible situation we have today with millions of people young and old forever destined to search for non existant work whilst struggling to survive on benefits and hand outs.

Her desire to smash Union control has shaped the Britain we now live in. The unnatural haste to deregulate public utilities for profit also forms part of her tragic legacy, to put profit for the few ahead of ensuring all citizens young and old sick and infirm can afford to heat and light their homes was truly despicable and taken together with the above and her actions re sinking the General Belgrano during the Falklands war and the introduction of the "Poll" tax ensures that her legacy will always be viewed ultimately as very damaging for this Country and the majority of its hardworking people.
this is 100% correct. not even the most sycophantic tories can deny it. the damage done to britain long term will be felt in 300 years time.

[Omah]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falklands_War#Casualties

In total 907 were killed during the 74 days of the conflict:
Argentina – 649 Ejército Argentino (Army) – 194 (16 officers, 35 Non-commissioned officers (NCO) and 143 conscript privates)
Armada de la República Argentina (Navy) – 341 (including 321 in Belgrano and 4 naval aviators) IMARA ( Marines ) – 34

Fuerza Aérea Argentina (Air Force) – 55 (including 31 pilots and 14 ground crew)
Gendarmería Nacional Argentina (Border Guard) – 7
Prefectura Naval Argentina (Coast Guard) – 2
Civilian sailors – 16

United Kingdom – A total of 255 British servicemen and 3 female Falklands Island civilians were killed during the Falklands War. Royal Navy – 86 + 2 Hong Kong laundrymen
Royal Marines – 27 (2 officers, 14 NCOs and 11 marines)
Royal Fleet Auxiliary – 4 + 6 Hong Kong sailors
Merchant Navy – 6
British Army – 123 (7 officers, 40 NCOs and 76 privates)
Royal Air Force – 1 (1 officer)
Falklands Islands civilians – 3 women killed by friendly fire


Of the 86 Royal Navy personnel, 22 were lost in HMS Ardent, 19 + 1 lost in HMS Sheffield, 19 + 1 lost in HMS Coventry and 13 lost in HMS Glamorgan. Fourteen naval cooks were among the dead, the largest number from any one branch in the Royal Navy.

Thirty-three of the British Army's dead came from the Welsh Guards, 21 from the 3rd Battalion, the Parachute Regiment, 18 from the 2nd Battalion, the Parachute Regiment, 19 from the Special Air Service, 3 from Royal Signals and 8 from each of the Scots Guards and Royal Engineers. The 1st battalion/7th Duke of Edinburgh's Own Gurkha Rifles lost one man killed.

Two more British deaths may be attributed to Operation Corporate, bringing the total to 260:
Captain Brian Biddick from SS Uganda underwent an emergency operation on the voyage to the Falklands. Later he was repatriated by an RAF medical flight to the hospital at Wroughton where he died on 12 May.[105]
Paul Mills from HMS Coventry suffered from complications from a skull fracture sustained in the sinking of his ship and died on 29 March 1983; he is buried in his home town of Swavesey.

There were 1,188 Argentine and 777 British non-fatal casualties.

Those casualties could have been avoided but The Witch used a war to bolster her popularity ..... :rolleyes:

[Jack_]

Not all socialists want to dance on Margaret Thatcher's grave. I want her to go on and on

Despite the manifest failures of Thatcherism, talk of celebrating her death is futile. Concentrate on building an economy that works for working people

Few things drive the right-wing press into self-righteous apoplexy more than Thatcher-hate. It was on display at the TUC conference last week, where T-shirts pledged that trade unionists would “dance on her grave”. On Saturday, it was reported that some Liverpool fans – finally vindicated over the sickening travesty of Hillsborough 23 years on – were chanting “we’re gonna have a party when Maggie Thatcher dies”. Several Facebook groups are dedicated to organising festivities for just that eventuality.

Personally, I dread Thatcher’s death. It will be a nightmarish blend of the hysteria that followed Princess Diana’s tragic accident and a month-long political broadcast for the Conservative Party. “She put the ‘great’ back in Great Britain,” our impartial media will lecture us; those who dissent will either be purged from the airwaves or demonised as spiteful lefties. Senior Labour politicians will feel obliged to join in the serenading of a PM who, in many cases, laid waste to the communities they represent. I hope she goes on and on.

But the right refuses to understand why, more than two decades after she was deposed, Thatcher is still despised by a large chunk of the population. As far as they are concerned, it is nothing more than spite from a hate-filled left, still furious at being comprehensively defeated. It speaks of the “sheer nastiness of a certain kind of leftie”, as the Tory MEP Daniel Hannan put it recently. “I remember the sense of despair, the conviction that Britain was finished” before Thatcher came to office, he added. Well, at least Britain is flourishing now.

A reasonable right-winger would accept that her 11-year rule opened up the greatest divisions Britain has experienced in modern times. Whether or not they regard that as unavoidable, they would realise that Thatcher-hate is just one manifestation of it. Perhaps if a Labour government had reduced the prosperous middle-classes of the Home Counties to mass unemployment and poverty, and stockbrokers desperate to save their livelihoods had been chased by police on horseback through the City of London, they would understand the bitterness. Thatcher hate is not kneejerk anti-Toryism: after all, there will be no champagne corks popping when John Major dies, and there was no bunting on display to celebrate the deaths of Ted Heath, Alec Douglas-Home, Harold Macmillan or Anthony Eden.

Thatcher is reviled by some not just because she crushed the left, the Labour movement and the post-war social democratic settlement. It is because she did it with such enthusiasm, and showed no regret for the terrible human cost. A war of sorts was fought in the 1980s, and the vanquished – as is often the case – were left with unquenchable bitterness: my own family among them.

The year I was born in Sheffield, unemployment had reached 15.5 per cent, or nearly four times higher than when Thatcher marched into Downing Street. My parents watched a flourishing city devastated, and at such speed. My mother recalls the once-thriving industrial suburb of Attercliffe, with its foundries with arc furnaces and the flicker of flames as you passed. Within 18 months, it was reduced to ruin: the buildings demolished, leaving deserted wasteland surrounded by weeds and fences. When Thatcher came to deliver a speech at Sheffield’s Cutlers’ Hall in 1983, my eldest brother was among those throwing eggs. During the miners’ strike, my father was at Orgreave days before the infamous Battle; with mounted police chasing miners across fields, it looked like a medieval battlefield. Heavily pregnant with my twin sister and I, my mother saw convoys of police vans heading to Orgreave, an army against the enemy within.

Britain’s industrial ruin was unavoidable, Thatcher’s apologists argue. Industry was inefficient and crippled by union bullyboys: Thatcher’s Chancellor Geoffrey Howe told me he “often questioned the suicide note of much of British industry”. But it was sabotage. First, the abolition of exchange controls allowed the City to thrive at the expense of other parts of the economy. Then they allowed the value of the pound to soar, with interest rates hiked to 17 per cent, making borrowing – crucial for manufacturing – prohibitively expensive.

Sir Alan Budd advised the Thatcher government and feared they “never believed for a moment that this was the correct way to bring down inflation”, but rather it was a highly effective means of increasing unemployment, “an extremely desirable way of reducing the strength of the working classes”. Working-class communities were trashed – and, in some cases, never recovered – because of an ideological crusade.

Reflecting on the miners’ strike a few years ago, even Thatcher’s right-hand man Norman Tebbitt accepted that “the scale of the closures went too far”, with the result that “many of these communities were completely devastated”. As Jack Straw noted last week, Thatcher’s government needed “the police to be a partisan force” during such industrial upheaval, creating a “culture of impunity” in the police force. At Orgreave – with the support of the mainstream press – the miners were blamed for the Battle, until years later the police force was forced to cough up hundreds of thousands in compensation. And it was the same force – dubbed “Maggie’s Boot Boys” – that smeared those who had died because of their own incompetence and contempt for working-class people at Hillsborough.

According to Thatcher’s champions, she fixed our “broken economy” and unleashed an era of prosperity. Odd, then, that Britain’s most sustained period of growth and increasing living standards were the three decades after the war, with their high taxes on the rich, strong trade unions and state interventionism.

Since Thatcher unleashed the era of low taxes, weak unions and free markets, growth has been lower and less equally distributed, and we have had three dramatic recessions. Our current predicament has everything to do with New Labour’s failure to unpick the financial deregulation Thatcher pioneered. “You weren’t even alive then,” Thatcherite acolytes lecture a largely anti-Thatcher generation, the first since the Second World War to face a worse lot than their parents, with few prospects of getting an affordable home thanks to her mass sell-off of council housing. A new generation of leftists represents a backlash against the demoralisation of their routed parents.

But while Thatcher-hate is understandable, it is futile. Celebrating the prospect of her death has become an admittedly macabre substitute for the failure to defeat Thatcherism. The Iron Lady will die knowing her legacy is stronger than ever. It will only be worth celebrating when Thatcherism is finally purged from this country, and a Britain run in the interests of working people is built. Then we really can rejoice.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/not-all-socialists-want-to-dance-on-margaret-thatchers-grave-i-want-her-to-go-on-and-on-8143089.html

[Omah]

I am sure a Demo may be there trying to get on TV news

The crew are booked for 20:30 ..... :dance:

[Kizzy]

Lots of facts have come to light following the revelations of her practices were exposed due to the 30yr rule.

[Nedusa]

Those casualties could have been avoided but The Witch used a war to bolster her popularity ..... :rolleyes:

I agree , even during a war you still have a moral duty to limit the loss of life, when faced with the situation re the General Belgrano which was steaming away from the conflict zone, the decision should always have been to monitor the ship NOT order it together with over 300 young lives to be destroyed.

This was not the actions of a wise leader, but more of a naive politician drunk on power.......!!!!

[Livia]

Those casualties could have been avoided but The Witch used a war to bolster her popularity ..... :rolleyes:

I wondered how long it'd take for some shiny-arsed critic who considers themself to be some kind of military strategist because they've read something online that agrees with their own agenda, from the comfort of their armchair, to use this occasion to criticise and diminish the people who fought and in some cases died in the Falklands conflict.

[GiRTh]

I wondered how long it'd take for some shiny-arsed critic who considers themself to be some kind of military strategist because they've read something online that agrees with their own agenda, from the comfort of their armchair, to use this occasion to criticise and diminish the people who fought and in some cases died in the Falklands conflict.So where do you stand on Thatcher's legacy? I agree she will go down as probably the greatest PM of the past 40 years simply because we can still see her influence on the country over 20 years after she left power but I did not agree with much of what she said or her policies or her ideology.

[the truth]

True. Our hearts still bleed for those millions of miners and their families and the destroyed communitees left behind, when thse things afffects you directly the affect is way more profound.

As Ive said before the best statue Ive ever seen is not the endless ones of rich leaders and war generals, not the endless duke of wellington statues, not even the Brunel statue in neyland nor the mighty nelson column. Nope, my favourite one (ok equal with aNeurin Bevans) is the ten foot miner with his coal pick at cerdiff bay. call me a softee, but those blokes truly knew a hards day work for an honest days pay, risking life and limb to feed their families. They were of course never protected or respected well enough by the power brokers, but much beloved and respected by their communities..its said in some pits they had to climb 2 miles in pitch darkness before they even started digging...riddled with dampness, disease and TB , only to end up sick and dying and with a kick in the teeth from the bosses....

One story I heard from a man who was 13 when the coal-pit collapsed on him, as he sat there buried alive for 48 hours he managed to stay calm and survive by playing imaginary chess with his brother who wasnt even alive.....life was hard and short for these men, hard drinking ,hard working and dead way before their time...But they had self respect, once dubbed the bow legged lords of the underworld....

But the shafts were never built wide enough or deep enough or safe enough.....with the technological advances coal mining would be way easier nowadays, they can also find the rich seams easier. These politicians should have put their egos down and evaluated which were the most economical pits and kept those open and concentrated more their men and resources into making those pits work. sadly they were incapable of compromise and a 1000 years of coal, jobs and communities were lost all for the sake of a few egos.

As I admired the sculpture a lady waltzed past, I asked her if all miners really were that big, she answered "course at mun hes welsh inee Politicians will come and go but the coal miners spirit lives on

[Kizzy]

I wondered how long it'd take for some shiny-arsed critic who considers themself to be some kind of military strategist because they've read something online that agrees with their own agenda, from the comfort of their armchair, to use this occasion to criticise and diminish the people who fought and in some cases died in the Falklands conflict.

I have no idea what a 'shiny-arsed critic' is, we all have a perspective livia it is not in any way intended to be a slur on anyone who lost their life in any war.

[Omah]

I wondered how long it'd take for some shiny-arsed critic who considers themself to be some kind of military strategist because they've read something online that agrees with their own agenda, from the comfort of their armchair, to use this occasion to criticise and diminish the people who fought and in some cases died in the Falklands conflict.

Wonder no longer ..... but you've both misread and misunderstood the post ..... :shrug:

The criticism was directed at the Witch for sacrificing young lives on both sides of the "Conflict" in pursuit of popularity ..... :pipe:

[Mitchell]

Just rip tbh

[AnnieK]

RIP...that is all. A sad day for her family and friends.

[Marcus.]

Margaret Thatcher rip

[Lee.]

Her family must be devastated.. she's still a mother regardless of how she ran the fountry.

She can go rot in hell as far as I'm concerned though.

[Shaun]

She was a fierce bitch. Unfortunately a lot of emphasis on the bitch. Don't necessarily agree with her politics and actions, but a strong woman and admirable in my eyes.

[Me. I Am Salman]

she's like a huge chunk of my revision awks

[joeysteele]

They do say if you have nothing nice to say as to someone then it's best to say nothing at all.
So all I will say is R.I.P.

[Shaun]

This did amuse me slightly... http://www.isthatcherdeadyet.co.uk/

[Omah]

Her family must be devastated.. she's still a mother regardless of how she ran the fountry.

She can go rot in hell as far as I'm concerned though.

Yeah, RIH ..... :pipe:

[Nedusa]

Thatcher is dead. I'm heading down to London with a mallet,a couple of wooden stakes, and some silver bullets, just in case....!!!!!

[Patrick]

About time. Glad the old bastard is rotting in hell.

The woman was a ******ing monster of the highest degree, and that's an understatement. Good riddance.

http://www.anphoblacht.com/files/images/620/2012/Hunger-strike1981.jpg

Always in our memories.

[Omah]

Thatcher is dead. I'm heading down to London with a mallet,a couple of wooden stakes, and some silver bullets, just in case....!!!!!

Godspeed ..... :cheer:

[Sticks]

Typical of the conservatives to come up with a way of knocking the changes to disability benefits off of the news agenda

[arista]

Tonight

Ch4 Jon Snow has a hour Prog at 8PM on Ch4
"Maggie and Me"
His time when she took power


also 8PM SkyAtlanticHD one hour docu on her

Typical Bloated BBC
does 8:30PM - 10PM BBC1

[reece(:]

Really don't think it's fair that people have been mocking her and taking the piss, the woman's just died for **** sake - Facebook is the worst for this. RIP.

[arista]

Really don't think it's fair that people have been mocking her and taking the piss, the woman's just died for **** sake - Facebook is the worst for this. RIP.

Its typical.


But Thatcher was White Van Man
and made dreams come true.

[GiRTh]

Its typical.


But Thatcher was White Van Man
and made dreams come true.:joker:

[arista]

Typical of the conservatives to come up with a way of knocking the changes to disability benefits off of the news agenda


No Typical of Our BBC News on BBC1
to Waste One Full Hour on Thatcher Alone
No Local Lunchtime news at all


And yet the ITV News did do other news
and give local news.

[Vanessa]

RIP Margaret Thatcher. :(

[Omah]

Really don't think it's fair that people have been mocking her and taking the piss, the woman's just died for **** sake - RIP.

Is it too soon for Godwin's law ..... :evilgrin:

[Lee.]

Its typical.


But Thatcher was White Van Man
and made dreams come true.

Erm.. whose dreams exactly?

[Z]

She was an enabler of bold decision making and I think her role as Prime Minister is important in a number of ways - specifically, she showed that women do not have to play second fiddle to men. She was a horrible, calculating woman at times but I think that if it weren't for her, Britain would still be a long way off in its fight for equal rights for women. She showed that politics wasn't just for elderly white men and she pulled off a lot of very... shall we say, brave... decisions that ultimately shaped the country that we live in today. I don't have much else to say on the matter other than I think history will remember her in equal measure as both a positive and as a negative figure, and that's the right conclusion to come to I think. An awe inspiring (in both senses) lady and one who won't be forgotten for a long time to come. Rest in peace Mrs Thatcher.

[arista]

Erm.. whose dreams exactly?


If you watch any News
People in Council Homes Dreamed they could
own their own home.
She made that dream come true.


Getting Rid of the Evil Union Power
something Blair liked

[arista]

She was an enabler of bold decision making and I think her role as Prime Minister is important in a number of ways - specifically, she showed that women do not have to play second fiddle to men. She was a horrible, calculating woman at times but I think that if it weren't for her, Britain would still be a long way off in its fight for equal rights for women. She showed that politics wasn't just for elderly white men and she pulled off a lot of very... shall we say, brave... decisions that ultimately shaped the country that we live in today. I don't have much else to say on the matter other than I think history will remember her in equal measure as both a positive and as a negative figure, and that's the right conclusion to come to I think. An awe inspiring (in both senses) lady and one who won't be forgotten for a long time to come. Rest in peace Mrs Thatcher.


Yes a Revolution.
as many did not want a Woman in charge.

[Z]

She was a woman in a man's world, I think she probably felt that she had to be a tough decision maker or she'd be seen as too soft. I think that logic goes some way in explaining why she did some of the things she did, though I think her style of leadership was often inexcusable. She's fascinating, I'd imagine there will be many interesting biographies written about her in the coming years. She suffered from Alzheimer's for a long time, I think her family are probably more relieved that the suffering is over rather than grieving, because when you start to lose a loved one to Alzheimer's you kind of come to accept what is happening very early on.

[Lee.]

If you watch any News
People in Council Homes Dreamed they could
own their own home.
She made that dream come true.


Getting Rid of the Evil Union Power
something Blair liked
Are you trying to wind me up? ??

The only people whose dreams she realised were the better off amongst us, she did this by making them even better off whilst making working classes poorer.

[arista]

Are you trying to wind me up? ??

The only people whose dreams she realised were the better off amongst us, she did this by making them even better off whilst making working classes poorer.

No Lee I am Not
Try and watch some News about her


And you are wrong
as she helped the Working class get rich.
How you miss that - I will never understand.

Maybe you are to young

[arista]

R1jY5fYjV-U

[Josy]

No Lee I am Not
Try and watch some News about her


And you are wrong
as she helped the Working class get rich.
How you miss that - I will never understand.

Maybe you are to young

Arent you younger than Lee Artista?

Anyway people that were directly affected with her policies dont need to watch the news about her, the one sided news if you mean the **** thats been all over the tv all day today.

I won't be saying RIP because I would in no way mean it, I have too much respect for both my living and deceased relatives that where negatively affected by the woman, my opinion on her wont be swayed just because she's died.

[GiRTh]

Arent you younger than Lee Artista?

Anyway people that were directly affected with her policies dont need to watch the news about her, the one sided news if you mean the **** thats been all over the tv all day today.

I won't be saying RIP because I would in no way mean it, I have too much respect for both my living and deceased relatives that where negatively affected by the woman, my opinion on her wont be swayed just because she's died.:o Bit harsh

[arista]

Arent you younger than Lee Artista?

Anyway people that were directly affected with her policies dont need to watch the news about her, the one sided news if you mean the **** thats been all over the tv all day today.

I won't be saying RIP because I would in no way mean it, I have too much respect for both my living and deceased relatives that where negatively affected by the woman, my opinion on her wont be swayed just because she's died.


I never give my age.


Sure Scotland Had it Rough
thats why a Republic of Scotland
would make a fresh change

[Omah]

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2013-04-08/margaret-thatcher-in-the-words-of-her-critics/

The news of the Baroness Thatcher's death has also drawn reactions from some of her critics.

Former London mayor Ken Livingstone told Sky News:

She created today's housing crisis, she produced the banking crisis, she created the benefits crisis ... Every real problem we face today is the legacy of the fact she was fundamentally wrong.

– KEN LIVINGSTONE ON SKY NEWS

Paul Kenny, general secretary of the GMB trade union, said:

Her legacy involves the destruction of communities, the elevation of personal greed over social values and legitimising the exploitation of the weak by the strong.

– Paul Kenny, general secretary, GMB union
Lindsey German, convenor of the Stop The War Coalition, said:

She led alongside Ronald Reagan the escalation of the Cold War. She introduced cruise missiles to Britain and fought the Falklands war.

Her arms deals with Saudi Arabia were notorious. Her legacy was Tony Blair who built enthusiastically on her record.

– Lindsey German, Stop The War Coalition

[Glenn.]

Arent you younger than Lee Artista?

Anyway people that were directly affected with her policies dont need to watch the news about her, the one sided news if you mean the **** thats been all over the tv all day today.

I won't be saying RIP because I would in no way mean it, I have too much respect for both my living and deceased relatives that where negatively affected by the woman, my opinion on her wont be swayed just because she's died.

:worship:

[bbfan1991]

RIP.

[arista]

Loved and Hated
But PM for 11 years


Labour could never ever do that.

[Z]

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2013-04-08/margaret-thatcher-in-the-words-of-her-critics/

The news of the Baroness Thatcher's death has also drawn reactions from some of her critics.

Former London mayor Ken Livingstone told Sky News:

She created today's housing crisis, she produced the banking crisis, she created the benefits crisis ... Every real problem we face today is the legacy of the fact she was fundamentally wrong.

– KEN LIVINGSTONE ON SKY NEWS

Paul Kenny, general secretary of the GMB trade union, said:

Her legacy involves the destruction of communities, the elevation of personal greed over social values and legitimising the exploitation of the weak by the strong.

– Paul Kenny, general secretary, GMB union
Lindsey German, convenor of the Stop The War Coalition, said:

She led alongside Ronald Reagan the escalation of the Cold War. She introduced cruise missiles to Britain and fought the Falklands war.

Her arms deals with Saudi Arabia were notorious. Her legacy was Tony Blair who built enthusiastically on her record.

– Lindsey German, Stop The War Coalition

Bit in bold is an extremely good point - and it irritates me that fervent Labour supporters often overlook this fact, just as much as it irritates me that Conservative supporters try and accuse Blair of ruining her legacy. He did the exact opposite, he furthered her abominable policies, they're as bad as each other in that respect.

[Lee.]

No Lee I am Not
Try and watch some News about her


And you are wrong
as she helped the Working class get rich.
How you miss that - I will never understand.

Maybe you are to young

I do not need to watch the news Arista. I know only to well what she did to working class communties mainly here in Scotland and the North of England, communities that have never recovered. She did not help anyone get rich, apart from the already affluent, she did create poverty, misery and unemployment. How you don't get that, Iwill never understand.

Maybe you are too stupid

[AnnieK]

Loved and Hated
But PM for 21 years


Labour could never ever do that.

She was PM for 11 years from 1979 - 1990

[arista]

I do not need to watch the news Arista. I know only to well what she did to working class communties mainly here in Scotland and the North of England, communities that have never recovered. She did not help anyone get rich, apart from the already affluent, she did create poverty, misery and unemployment. How you don't get that, Iwill never understand.

Maybe you are too stupid


No not stupid
She was Loved and Hated

But what a state Labour were in

[arista]

She was PM for 11 years from 1979 - 1990


True

[Lee.]

She was PM for 11 years from 1979 - 1990

Haha.. I can clearly remember the day she resigned.. my modern studies teacher had balloons pinned all round his classroom both outside and in and wore a party hat.

[Lee.]

No not stupid
She was Loved and Hated

But what a state Labour were in

The love was not widespread in Scotland, believe me

[arista]

The love was not widespread in Scotland, believe me


I know that

[arista]

Fecking BBC4 World news is meant to be on.
so what does Bloated BBC do puts BBCNews Ch direct on it
about Thatcher.


How the Feck is that World News
People are Dead in Asia


Fecking BBC

[arista]

Parliament Recalled on Wednesday
for Thatcher.


Omah rush down there

[Omah]

Polly Toynbee on C4 News condemning the Witch's domestic policy which destroyed whole industries and the communities that worked in them without considering what was to replace those industries.

[arista]

Polly Toynbee on C4 News condemning the Witch's domestic policy which destroyed whole industries and the communities that worked in them without considering what was to replace those industries.



Yes Ch4News
far better than Bloated BBC

[Omah]

Bit in bold is an extremely good point - and it irritates me that fervent Labour supporters often overlook this fact, just as much as it irritates me that Conservative supporters try and accuse Blair of ruining her legacy. He did the exact opposite, he furthered her abominable policies, they're as bad as each other in that respect.

Multi-millionaire Blair makes me want to :yuk:

[Tom4784]

Her career had it's pros and cons and I despised her politics but I respected her as a person.

[Kizzy]

The only reason Thatcher sold off the housing stock was she was well aware that most of it was substandard, steel framed, prefabricated, jerry built cardboard boxes that would cost more money to maintain than they were worth.

[joeysteele]

.... and as to this supposed great leader and PM, how did her premiership end again?
Not with any election defeat, not with her going at a time of her choosing, not because of ill health.not because her Family wanted her to and definitely not because she herself even wanted to give up but because her party plotted against her and then stabbed her in the back while she was fighting the UKs corner in Europe.

Cowards then and cowards now. Then look who they replaced her with, John Major??.

I certainly wouldn't have been a supporter of hers had I been born and a voter then but what a despicable party to end her time as PM and leader like that.
Now just listen to all the ramblings of those who destroyed her are saying now, hypocrites like Geoffrey Howe who near humiliated her in a speech in parliament for one and near started the plotting against her.

What a shower.

[arista]

Steve Nallon on Ch4 just now
he got her voice Bang On.

[Vicky.]

How long 'til she starts shutting the furnaces, now she's down there.

My dads facebook status^

My thoughts are with her family. But she royally screwed over both of my grandfathers(both were miners in the north east) so I'm not sad at all that shes gone tbh.

[thesheriff443]

life is what you make it. stop blaming your crap lifes on someone who has died.

[Kizzy]

life is what you make it. stop blaming your crap lifes on someone who has died.

Who's doing that?...

[Kazanne]

.... and as to this supposed great leader and PM, how did her premiership end again?
Not with any election defeat, not with her going at a time of her choosing, not because of ill health.not because her Family wanted her to and definitely not because she herself even wanted to give up but because her party plotted against her and then stabbed her in the back while she was fighting the UKs corner in Europe.

Cowards then and cowards now. Then look who they replaced her with, John Major??.

I certainly wouldn't have been a supporter of hers had I been born and a voter then but what a despicable party to end her time as PM and leader like that.
Now just listen to all the ramblings of those who destroyed her are saying now, hypocrites like Geoffrey Howe who near humiliated her in a speech in parliament for one and near started the plotting against her.

What a shower.

Well said yet again Joey,she wasn't perfect but boy she stood by what she believed in and what she thought was right.and those Judas's who stabbed her in the back should **** and let her R.I.P,Our family wasn't suppoters either,I was too young to bother either way,but I could see she was different as I grew up.

[thesheriff443]

Who's doing that?...

everyone that's blaming Margret thatcher for their or their relatives lifes being crap.

[reece(:]

Can someone tell me how she was allowed 11 years as PM, isn't the limit 8?

[thesheriff443]

Can someone tell me how she was allowed 11 years as PM, isn't the limit 8?
your thinking of America

[Vicky.]

everyone that's blaming Margret thatcher for their or their relatives lifes being crap.

I never said my relatives lives were crap. I said she screwed them over. Big difference.

[reece(:]

your thinking of America
Ohh, don't even know my own country. :joker:

[Kizzy]

everyone that's blaming Margret thatcher for their or their relatives lifes being crap.

Nobody is doing that though are they?..
Some have suggested that decisions she made had a negative impact on the country, I feel that's fair comment.

[thesheriff443]

I never said my relatives lives were crap. I said she screwed them over. Big difference.

it was not her fault your relatives where miners, nothing lasts for ever.
thatcher was working class.

[Vicky.]

it was not her fault your relatives where miners, nothing lasts for ever.
thatcher was working class.

:joker:

[thesheriff443]

Nobody is doing that though are they?..
Some have suggested that decisions she made had a negative impact on the country, I feel that's fair comment.

some members have been bloody rude, with the poor me attitude!

[Vicky.]

Nobody is doing that though are they?..
Some have suggested that decisions she made had a negative impact on the country, I feel that's fair comment.

Exactly.

[thesheriff443]

people talking like they where owed something!
and if it was not for thatcher we would all be milionairs living in luxery!

[Kizzy]

people talking like they where owed something!
and if it was not for thatcher we would all be milionairs living in luxery!

It's fair to say more people would have a job.

[Kizzy]

some members have been bloody rude, with the poor me attitude!

Since when have you been bothered about anyone being bloody rude?.. give your head a shake will you?

[thesheriff443]

It's fair to say more people would have a job.

its also fair to say some people don't want jobs.

[Sticks]

People forget that the Labour government in the 1970's was so unpopular and things were in such a mess that the conservatives got elected in 1979

Then the then Labour Party was in such a mess, that the Conservative party under Mrs T won three elections.

The labour supporters here need to reflect on that.

[Vicky.]

its also fair to say some people don't want jobs.
Dont start that **** in here to take it offtopic.

Its ridiculous to say that those that Thatcher put out of jobs, didnt want jobs.

Consider this a warning to not go offtopic.

[GiRTh]

4ubgig29l4k

Very long but quite entertaining documentary on what was happening in Britain in 1984 for those who weren't alive then. Ordinary men were fighting ordinary men. Now we know Thatchers hardline was for no better reason than to show ordinary working people how tough she could be. God rest her soul.

[thesheriff443]

Since when have you been bothered about anyone being bloody rude?.. give your head a shake will you?

its about showing some bloody respect for the dead!
all the bad mouthing wont change a bloody thing! it was twenty three years ago that she was in power!

[Vanessa]

I really admired her, even though i did not agree with everything she did. She was an amazing woman in my opinion.

[Harry!]

R.I.P. to her, she was a controversial figure who made some radical decisions. She will always be remembered.

[Kizzy]

its about showing some bloody respect for the dead!
all the bad mouthing wont change a bloody thing! it was twenty three years ago that she was in power!

There are some rather strong feelings on here and I suppose that is how this news has affected some people, even the media are finding it difficult to find those who have a positive word to say about this woman.

[thesheriff443]

There are some rather strong feelings on here and I suppose that is how this news has affected some people, even the media are finding it difficult to find those who have a positive word to say about this woman.

that sums this country up!

[lily.]

The influence she had on this country was a tragedy. You have the right words, just in the wrong order.

http://media.tumblr.com/08bbab380aa88a2f85546154d786a1c1/tumblr_inline_mkye12Vk901qz4rgp.jpg

Typical of the conservatives to come up with a way of knocking the changes to disability benefits off of the news agenda

LoL @ this post.

[lily.]

About time. Glad the old bastard is rotting in hell.

The woman was a ******ing monster of the highest degree, and that's an understatement. Good riddance.

http://www.anphoblacht.com/files/images/620/2012/Hunger-strike1981.jpg

Always in our memories.

You call her a monster, yet you post a photo of a bunch of dead terrorists and say you'll always remember them.

I'm no Thatcher fan, but ffs... that's somethin else..

[Shaun]

I was gonna say that's the one area of hers I agreed on... changing stance because people were hunger striking would just be stupid. They brought it on themselves.

oh and the Falklands too I suppose.

[Kizzy]

that sums this country up!

Why is that sheriff? Many have stated things that happened, facts and or events that occurred on her say so in British history that have reverberated down the years and left the country in a shocking state.
When will it be the right time to say this... next week, next year?
I would be a hypocrite to say I agreed with anything she did as a leader, that is not a slur on her personally so why you chose to act so affronted I don't know.

[Z]

I think Margaret Thatcher was never going to be the leader people wanted her to be, but she was the leader we needed her to be. If it weren't for her very tough decision making, we'd have floundered in mediocrity because the opposition party was a state and as shown by her three consecutive terms, we needed a strong leader. That's not to excuse her actions, but I think retrospectively, you can credit her with SOME positive outcomes in the midst of all the negative ones. The entire YUPPIE generation was her doing, Britain was very much an industrialised country until Margaret Thatcher started reforming the hell out of the country, as controversial as it was, she helped bring about some serious change. I dunno. I respect her for that, I think she deserves that much.

[Kizzy]

I think Margaret Thatcher was never going to be the leader people wanted her to be, but she was the leader we needed her to be. If it weren't for her very tough decision making, we'd have floundered in mediocrity because the opposition party was a state and as shown by her three consecutive terms, we needed a strong leader. That's not to excuse her actions, but I think retrospectively, you can credit her with SOME positive outcomes in the midst of all the negative ones. The entire YUPPIE generation was her doing, Britain was very much an industrialised country until Margaret Thatcher started reforming the hell out of the country, as controversial as it was, she helped bring about some serious change. I dunno. I respect her for that, I think she deserves that much.

Are you serious? :joker:

[thesheriff443]

Why is that sheriff? Many have stated things that happened, facts and or events that occurred on her say so in British history that have reverberated down the years and left the country in a shocking state.
When will it be the right time to say this... next week, next year?
I would be a hypocrite to say I agreed with anything she did as a leader, that is not a slur on her personally so why you chose to act so affronted I don't know.

as a women yourself its a shame you cant see what she did for women around the world just by being a woman in power.
at the time she was in power the threat from the ira was at its greatest! her life was in real danger but she was a very strong woman.

[Vanessa]

as a women yourself its a shame you cant see what she did for women around the world just by being a woman in power.
at the time she was in power the threat from the ira was at its greatest! her life was in real danger but she was a very strong woman.

That is exactly what i liked about her.

[Cherie]

shame she stipulated she didnt want a state funeral, we might have had a day off.. still calling the shots even in death.

[Kizzy]

as a women yourself its a shame you cant see what she did for women around the world just by being a woman in power.
at the time she was in power the threat from the ira was at its greatest! her life was in real danger but she was a very strong woman.

Don't patronize me....
There are 100s of powerful women in history I don't choose to hold this woman in high esteem for her dubious conduct while in power.

[lily.]

If you were alive during her reign, and lived in a region adversely affected by her 'changes', you're not going to have a positive opinion of her. That's where my opinion comes from.. and the same can be said for others who've already posted here.

I'd be interested to know the age and location of everyone with a positive or negative opinion to be honest, as I think that would be quite telling.

[Z]

Are you serious? :joker:

Yes, but I didn't live through her time as Prime Minister so my view comes entirely out of retrospective reading rather than personal experience. :)

[Sam:)]

She was a stuck up right winged dope, simple as. No point licking her rim now that she's dead, if I asked people what they taught of her a week ago they would criticise her but because she's dead she is being hailed. She let 10 Irish prisoners die, she basically ruined industrial Britain, the list goes on.

[Kazanne]

If you were alive during her reign, and lived in a region adversely affected by her 'changes', you're not going to have a positive opinion of her. That's where my opinion comes from.. and the same can be said for others who've already posted here.

I'd be interested to know the age and location of everyone with a positive or negative opinion to be honest, as I think that would be quite telling.

Well i was born in 1976 and live in Shropshire and I admired her,so I dont know what that tells you.

[Cherie]

Well i was born in 1976 and live in Shropshire and I admired her,so I dont know what that tells you.


no idear.

[Kizzy]

Yes, but I didn't live through her time as Prime Minister so my view comes entirely out of retrospective reading rather than personal experience. :)

I didn't live through the plague but I know it was prob dire :)

[Alf]

thatcher was working class.
Your a week late with that comment, you should have posted that last Monday.

[Kazanne]

no idear.

:joker::joker: behave you,I was waiting for lily to comment,

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2013/4/8/231167/default/v2/express-1-329x437.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2013/4/8/231168/default/v1/mirror-1-329x437.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2013/4/8/231169/default/v1/tel-1-329x437.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2013/4/8/231170/default/v1/times-1-329x437.jpg

[Cherie]

:joker::joker: behave you,I was waiting for lily to comment,

:joker: sorry Kaz, couldn't resist.

[Patrick]

I was gonna say that's the one area of hers I agreed on... changing stance because people were hunger striking would just be stupid. They brought it on themselves.

oh and the Falklands too I suppose.

Ignorance at the highest degree. You don't know anything about the hunger striking - or else you'd know they hardly 'brought it on themselves' - yeah it was voluntarily but all they were asking for was a few rights, they were fighting for their country and were treated like absolute scum.

You call her a monster, yet you post a photo of a bunch of dead terrorists and say you'll always remember them.

I'm no Thatcher fan, but ffs... that's somethin else..

Terrorists? :laugh: They're prisoners of war.

[Cherie]

I didn't live through the plague but I know it was prob dire :)

I concur with this excellent point.

[thesheriff443]

I concur with this excellent point.

don't encourage her:shocked:

[Z]

I didn't live through the plague but I know it was prob dire :)

I've studied Thatcher's government extensively and I am fully aware of the negative impact she had on society, but I also see the positive outcomes from her time as the Prime Minister of the UK. Don't be patronising.

[Cherie]

don't encourage her:shocked:

as if Kizzy needs encouragement she is a firecracker all on her own..:joker:

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2013/4/8/231172/default/v2/i-1-329x437.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2013/4/8/231173/default/v1/ft-1-329x437.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2013/4/8/231174/default/v1/indy-1-329x437.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2013/4/8/231178/default/v0/mail-1-329x437.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2013/4/8/231179/default/v0/star-1-329x437.jpg

[Shaun]

LOL @ the mail

[Z]

:laugh2: Oh God, the Daily Mail!

[Ninastar]

lol at patrick calling Shaun ignorant

[Kazanne]

I think a lot of people dont study the politics they just go along with family tradition which is what i did until the last election.

[Vicky.]

The mail one :joker:

[Kizzy]

I've studied Thatcher's government extensively and I am fully aware of the negative impact she had on society, but I also see the positive outcomes from her time as the Prime Minister of the UK. Don't be patronising.

Oh have you?
I do have to say things as I see them zee, if you feel I have been patronizing there's nothing I can do bout that but it was not my intention.

[Nedusa]

Shame Thatcher died. Just a few days after ATOS declared her fit for work too.

[Shaun]

Ignorance at the highest degree. You don't know anything about the hunger striking - or else you'd know they hardly 'brought it on themselves' - yeah it was voluntarily but all they were asking for was a few rights, they were fighting for their country and were treated like absolute scum.



Terrorists? :laugh: They're prisoners of war.

Patrick you're like 12 and hate people based on their nationality. Please don't call me ignorant, it's laughable. They were members of the IRA, hence the terrorist claim (not to mention their retaliation three years later in Brighton). "A few rights" =/= Northern Irish succession to Irish rule.

Of their five demands:

The right not to wear a prison uniform;
The right not to do prison work;
The right of free association with other prisoners, and to organise educational and recreational pursuits;
The right to one visit, one letter and one parcel per week;
Full restoration of remission lost through the protest

Only #3 and #4 were reasonable.

[Z]

Oh have you?
I do have to say things as I see them zee, if you feel I have been patronizing there's nothing I can do bout that but it was not my intention.

Yeah, for two years, I know my stuff :tongue: well that's alright then. I don't really have a decisive opinion swinging either way about her, I think she should be admired as much as she should be demonised. I think that's the thing with strong leadership types, they often commit the worst atrocities but they also bring about some real change. Politics is quite cyclical like that... people like to have things one way, then they want it the other way because things aren't working anymore...

[Vicky.]

Shame Thatcher died. Just a few days after ATOS declared her fit for work too.

:laugh2:

[GypsyGoth]

She was one of the most iconic politicians, not really a surprise she's dead, it seems she was ill for a few years.

[joeysteele]

Shame Thatcher died. Just a few days after ATOS declared her fit for work too.

Really quick and really good Nedusa.:hugesmile:

[MTVN]

Think it's a bit easy to jump on the Thatcher hate bandwagon, and while a lot of people have legitimate reasons to dislike her I don't think people should forget the state that Britain was in when she took over. The power that the Trade Unions exerted was pretty ridiculous, and they didn't seem to care about the chaos and crippling endless strikes they were inflicting on the public. Also, if you take an example like mining, it is a shame how it turned out but it's not like Thatcher came to power with a rabid intent to destroy the industry out of spite; under Harold Wilson there was a mine closing every week, there were only 300 left by 1970 and when Thatcher came to power productivity was collapsing, and so was employment and sales, it was all but dead before she was elected.

[Kizzy]

Think it's a bit easy to jump on the Thatcher hate bandwagon, and while a lot of people have legitimate reasons to dislike her I don't think people should forget the state that Britain was in when she took over. The power that the Trade Unions exerted was pretty ridiculous, and they didn't seem to care about the chaos and crippling endless strikes they were inflicting on the public. Also, if you take an example like mining, it is a shame how it turned out but it's not like Thatcher came to power with a rabid intent to destroy the industry out of spite; under Harold Wilson there was a mine closing every week, there were only 300 left by 1970 and when Thatcher came to power productivity was collapsing, and so was employment and sales, it was all but dead before she was elected.

Understatement of the century right there, but it leads nicely to this cartoon from tomorrows guardian...
https://static-secure.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/4/8/1365456662820/Steve-Bell-09.03.2013-013.jpg

[joeysteele]

Think it's a bit easy to jump on the Thatcher hate bandwagon, and while a lot of people have legitimate reasons to dislike her I don't think people should forget the state that Britain was in when she took over. The power that the Trade Unions exerted was pretty ridiculous, and they didn't seem to care about the chaos and crippling endless strikes they were inflicting on the public. Also, if you take an example like mining, it is a shame how it turned out but it's not like Thatcher came to power with a rabid intent to destroy the industry out of spite; under Harold Wilson there was a mine closing every week, there were only 300 left by 1970 and when Thatcher came to power productivity was collapsing, and so was employment and sales, it was all but dead before she was elected.

I would near agree with all that, she was right to curb the unions, the secondary picketing particularly.
I do feel there was an intention though to really get at the mining unions because of them bringing down the Conservative Govt in 1974.

Clearly however, Labour didn't give in that much to the Unions either since the strikes in 1978/9 were during the dying months of the Labour govt.

I think myself what she is most responsible for, is encouraging selfishness in people,an I am all right attitude and to blazes with near everyone else.
It is that element to her that would have turned me off voting for her.
Having said that I likely would have voted for her in 1979 though had I even been born and old enough.

Just watched the panorama interview with Robin Day from the 1987 election, I ahve to say she was impressive,I am not saying she was right but she was impressive and clearly a formidable opponent.

[Redway]

Yet another astute and coherent response from Matt. :love:

[joeysteele]

Yet another astute and coherent response from Matt. :love:

He's one of a few on here who always get me thinking as to an issue, always interesting to read his posts.

[Ninastar]

i too like to read his posts.

[MTVN]

Thanks chaps

[Redway]

He's one of a few on here who always get me thinking as to an issue, always interesting to read his posts.

I disagree with him at least three-fifths of the time but at least he actually makes the effort to expand on his viewpoints and put together well-constructed arguments - unlike some, who make the most absurd statements and don't care to elaborate as if they were self-evident facts.

You as well, mind. :p

I just don't understand how anyone can demonise someone even when she's dead, and I certainly don't get this notion that Thatcher was the worst thing to happen to this country when we have the likes of David Cameron running this country right now.

[Glenn.]

I just don't understand how anyone can demonise someone even when she's dead, and I certainly don't get this notion that Thatcher was the worst thing to happen to this country when we have the likes of David Cameron running this country right now.

Why should our opinion change on her now shes dead?

[Jack_]

it was not her fault your relatives where miners, nothing lasts for ever.
thatcher was working class.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA oh my ****ing god

of all of the jokes, that's the best I've seen all day :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker:

[Redway]

Why should our opinion change on her now shes dead?

I just think it's unfair that people are throwing vitriolic abuse at her - hasn't she just died? By all means, criticise her work but I don't see the merit in jumping on the hate bandwagon a few hours after her death, particularly not when her relatives must be going through grief right now.

[Scarlett.]

I do think the hate I've seen around the internet it a little bit too much, I didn't like her, but some people take it a bit too far.

[Josy]

I just think it's unfair that people are throwing vitriolic abuse at her - hasn't she just died? By all means, criticise her work but I don't see the merit in jumping on the hate bandwagon a few hours after her death, particularly not when her relatives must be going through grief right now.

I'm pretty sure most of the people expressing dislike for her have always felt the same, her passing isn't going to change that.

[Redway]

I do think the hate I've seen around the internet it a little bit too much, I didn't like her, but some people take it a bit too far.

Exactly. Fair enough if you didn't like her but I do believe she did what she perceived was best for this country. Expressing her shortcomings and flatly saying you hated her is fine. Going 'ding dong the witch is dead' or any of that other retarded nonsense is absolutely vile.

[Glenn.]

I'm pretty sure most of the people expressing dislike for her have always felt the same, her passing isn't going to change that.

This.

Just because she's died it doesn't change what she did to the country and how people feel.

[Brother Leon]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2306005/Margaret-Thatcher-Football-snubbed-lady-saved-game-tribute-Manchester-derby--Jeff-Powell.html


Daily Mail suggesting there should of been a Minute Silence at the Football. :joker:

[thesheriff443]

Think it's a bit easy to jump on the Thatcher hate bandwagon, and while a lot of people have legitimate reasons to dislike her I don't think people should forget the state that Britain was in when she took over. The power that the Trade Unions exerted was pretty ridiculous, and they didn't seem to care about the chaos and crippling endless strikes they were inflicting on the public. Also, if you take an example like mining, it is a shame how it turned out but it's not like Thatcher came to power with a rabid intent to destroy the industry out of spite; under Harold Wilson there was a mine closing every week, there were only 300 left by 1970 and when Thatcher came to power productivity was collapsing, and so was employment and sales, it was all but dead before she was elected.

a great post!, the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth!.

[arista]

The Guardian has said
she was positive.


My Paper gets Wise

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/08/article-2306002-192F1AAA000005DC-118_634x314.jpg

Some Left Wingers are getting Angry at this
so what do those peole want?

Next Weds or Thurs.


And this:

[Margaret Thatcher: 'Don't waste money on a flypast at my funeral'
Frugal to the last, Baroness Thatcher insisted she did not want a state funeral and said there should be no military fly-past over the service on the grounds that it would be a “waste of money”.]

[joeysteele]

I do have to say I am not that comfortable with such a funeral that is being planned.
Indeed as has been said, she herself didn't want this fuss either, being fair to her.

Okay, she was the first and so far only Female PM of the UK,she was also just the longest of the last century too,'just' by a year or so.
She wasn't Churchill in that she had a World war to deal with,anyone would see why he got a really big funeral.

Personally,I think they should have planned a respectful but far lower key funeral.

[arista]

I do have to say I am not that comfortable with such a funeral that is being planned.
Indeed as has been said, she herself didn't want this fuss either, being fair to her.

Okay, she was the first and so far only Female PM of the UK,she was also just the longest of the last century too,'just' by a year or so.
She wasn't Churchill in that she had a World war to deal with,anyone would see why he got a really big funeral.

Personally,I think they should have planned a respectful but far lower key funeral.

I bet Blair would do the same.


You know Parliament is back next Weds
just because of her death - Thats wrong

[Kazanne]

I would near agree with all that, she was right to curb the unions, the secondary picketing particularly.
I do feel there was an intention though to really get at the mining unions because of them bringing down the Conservative Govt in 1974.

Clearly however, Labour didn't give in that much to the Unions either since the strikes in 1978/9 were during the dying months of the Labour govt.

I think myself what she is most responsible for, is encouraging selfishness in people,an I am all right attitude and to blazes with near everyone else.
It is that element to her that would have turned me off voting for her.
Having said that I likely would have voted for her in 1979 though had I even been born and old enough.

Just watched the panorama interview with Robin Day from the 1987 election, I ahve to say she was impressive,I am not saying she was right but she was impressive and clearly a formidable opponent.


Joey,I know your knowlegable about such things ,so I will ask you,Weren't the pits closing down before Mrs Thatcher came into power? serious question as that is what I was told,and the country was in dire straits?

[Redway]

Joey,I know your knowlegable about such things ,so I will ask you,Weren't the pits closing down before Mrs Thatcher came into power? serious question as that is what I was told,and the country was in dire straits?

I don't wish to but in or anything but yeah, Britain was skating on thin ice before she arrived. I wasn't around at the time myself, but I've done quite a bit of research on this. Remember the winter of discontent and all?

[billy123]

I have stayed out of this debate because i dont fancy being banned just now.
I will say however that anyone that proposed to buy an island in indonesia with your money to send all the "Boat people" to live on and call it "Immigrant island" doesnt deserve my respect. Rot in hell slut.

Just to show the filthy scum havent changed my local MP voted for ACTA that wants to keep medicine copyrighted so poor countrys cant duplicate it to help people with aids,cancer,lukemia etc and also voted against gay marriage.
SHAME ON THE BASTARDS THAT SUPPORT THESE WANKERS.

The above is why i am trying not to post on this subject and i havent even got to the wikileaks posts that show thatcher wanted the yorkshire police protected regarding the Hillsborough disaster as a reward for doing her dirty work in the miners strike.

[Saph]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/e1fc0f9e48c85af3bc7968e15ae6a605/tumblr_mkyg7j5MFI1rqt30co1_500.png

oops

[Omah]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/e1fc0f9e48c85af3bc7968e15ae6a605/tumblr_mkyg7j5MFI1rqt30co1_500.png

oops

Oops indeed ..... :laugh2:

[Kazanne]

I don't wish to but in or anything but yeah, Britain was skating on thin ice before she arrived. I wasn't around at the time myself, but I've done quite a bit of research on this. Remember the winter of discontent and all?

Yes heard some stuff on this yesterday,the country was on it's knees,with rubbish gathering in the streets dead bodies waiting to be buried etc,it's something I'de like to find out more about tbh.

[Jesus.]

I think it's clear that the country may have been on the wrong path, but to suggest the only way out of it, was the extreme right wing approach of Thatcher is not true.

People can slag unions off all they like, whilst they're enjoying a day off on sick, paid holiday, or after work thanks to the rights fought for by these unions. I'd rather have unions going OTT for the cause of the common working man, than have the crony capitalist state she introduced.

This woman reduced the working classes in this country to a state they have yet to rebound from, attacking whole cities and regions in the process. My parents did very well under her government, but the blurred battle lines between between rich and poor were redrawn after her.

[Livia]

Joey,I know your knowlegable about such things ,so I will ask you,Weren't the pits closing down before Mrs Thatcher came into power? serious question as that is what I was told,and the country was in dire straits?

I know this post was to joey, Kazanne, but I'm going to stick in my two cents... and it isn't going to be popular with with red-flag wavers...

One of the golden rules of business is that you don't move high bulk, low cost commodities a long way, you move high cost, low bulk communities. So, while you would move gold and diamonds from around the world, you wouldn't move coal because it is uneconomical so ideally you would use local supplies. And yet, our pits were so uneconomical we were shipping in coal from Australia because the coal from Durham (for example) was too expensive. That's why the pits closed, not because Thatcher had a deep dislike for working class people in general and miners in particular.

[arista]

I have stayed out of this debate because i dont fancy being banned just now.
I will say however that anyone that proposed to buy an island in indonesia with your money to send all the "Boat people" to live on and call it "Immigrant island" doesnt deserve my respect. Rot in hell slut.

Just to show the filthy scum havent changed my local MP voted for ACTA that wants to keep medicine copyrighted so poor countrys cant duplicate it to help people with aids,cancer,lukemia etc and also voted against gay marriage.
SHAME ON THE BASTARDS THAT SUPPORT THESE WANKERS.

The above is why i am trying not to post on this subject and i havent even got to the wikileaks posts that show thatcher wanted the yorkshire police protected regarding the Hillsborough disaster as a reward for doing her dirty work in the miners strike.


No Let it all out we need your views, better that luke warm JHC

She was Loved and Hated

But Working Class loved her and kept her in power
as there was a Labour (unions) M.Foot - Nutter then a Welsh Git
So 11 years of good change - i say Bob

[Kazanne]

I know this post was to joey, Kazanne, but I'm going to stick in my two cents... and it isn't going to be popular with with red-flag wavers...

One of the golden rules of business is that you don't move high bulk, low cost commodities a long way, you move high cost, low bulk communities. So, while you would move gold and diamonds from around the world, you wouldn't move coal because it is uneconomical so ideally you would use local supplies. And yet, our pits were so uneconomical we were shipping in coal from Australia because the coal from Durham (for example) was too expensive. That's why the pits closed, not because Thatcher had a deep dislike for working class people in general and miners in particular.

Thanks for that information Livia,I was told the pits were dead in the water anyway,what she did makes sense from what I can make out,i find it very interesting reading peoples points of view.

[Vanessa]

She's the only woman PM the country has ever had. That is a huge achievement in itself.

[arista]

She's the only woman PM the country has ever had. That is a huge achievement in itself.


You Are Most Wise

[arista]

There is a lot I'd normally post here, but I'd probably end up with a ban.

The world is a better place.



No follow the better
Bob.

[Jake.]

Think it's a bit easy to jump on the Thatcher hate bandwagon, and while a lot of people have legitimate reasons to dislike her I don't think people should forget the state that Britain was in when she took over. The power that the Trade Unions exerted was pretty ridiculous, and they didn't seem to care about the chaos and crippling endless strikes they were inflicting on the public. Also, if you take an example like mining, it is a shame how it turned out but it's not like Thatcher came to power with a rabid intent to destroy the industry out of spite; under Harold Wilson there was a mine closing every week, there were only 300 left by 1970 and when Thatcher came to power productivity was collapsing, and so was employment and sales, it was all but dead before she was elected.

:worship:

[arista]

She Smashed the Unions


Utter Bliss.

[Jake.]

Also gotta love the amount of morons slagging her off over the internet (Twitter and what not), most of whom are below 20 years of age and no doubt have any idea of her agendas or policies and are just jumping on that bandwagon.

[arista]

Also gotta love the amount of morons slagging her off over the internet (Twitter and what not), most of whom are below 20 years of age and no doubt have any idea of her agendas or policies and are just jumping on that bandwagon.


yes Pathetic yoof

[Kazanne]

Also gotta love the amount of morons slagging her off over the internet (Twitter and what not), most of whom are below 20 years of age and no doubt have any idea of her agendas or policies and are just jumping on that bandwagon.

Their parents etc will have also fed them a lot of stuff JH:hugesmile:

[Jesus.]

Also gotta love the amount of morons slagging her off over the internet (Twitter and what not), most of whom are below 20 years of age and no doubt have any idea of her agendas or policies and are just jumping on that bandwagon.

Couldn't someone level that accusation at you for defending her?

I always assume that most people are fully aware of the path she took during her reign.

[Jake.]

Couldn't someone level that accusation at you for defending her?

I always assume that most people are fully aware of the path she took during her reign.

I'm not defending her, I'm pointing out that unless you was actually around at that period or have actually researched politics, you're not going to be as clued up as should be before writing trash over your twitter page at the age of 17

[GiRTh]

I think it's clear that the country may have been on the wrong path, but to suggest the only way out of it, was the extreme right wing approach of Thatcher is not true.

People can slag unions off all they like, whilst they're enjoying a day off on sick, paid holiday, or after work thanks to the rights fought for by these unions. I'd rather have unions going OTT for the cause of the common working man, than have the crony capitalist state she introduced.

This woman reduced the working classes in this country to a state they have yet to rebound from, attacking whole cities and regions in the process. My parents did very well under her government, but the blurred battle lines between between rich and poor were redrawn after her.This.

Thatcher decided that she single headedly was going to change the climate of the country. To hell with all the people who suffered she was going to shape her Britain one way or another.

She achieved a great deal but how much of it has been beneficial to this country?

[Jake.]

Their parents etc will have also fed them a lot of stuff JH:hugesmile:

Oh yeah of course, and there is nothing wrong with that at all, my mum has gone in to detail about her before with me and I've always found it interesting