Emma agreed "It takes 2 to tango".Was it right they were blaming Hazel on BBOTS ?

[cfromhx02]

Hazel pulled Daley's boxers down and slapped him on the bottom.IMO Nothing justifies him pinning her down then gesturing to head butt her.

Is it right that most on BBOTS will do anything to justify cementing opposition against one of their targets, which at the moment is Hazel for what I think too was horrible behaviour how she used to flirt with Daley and was the main one leading things between them.

Is it right they were saying that her pulling down his boxers and slapping him instigated and was partly responsible for him threatening her later by holding her down then threatening to nut her ?

[Northern Monkey]

Still no excuse for how he handled it.He should have just pulled her pants down,Not threatened to nut her!

[Patricia4]

It was out of order what he said and did but Emma was right it take's two.

[arista]

"head butt her."


Emma skipped that.

[arista]

Still no excuse for how he handled it.He should have just pulled her pants down,Not threatened to nut her!


Yes he watched it.
and knows he is Guilty more than Hazel.


Now he is out he does not know her etc.

[Niamh.]

"head butt her."


Emma skipped that.

Yep she absolutely did.

The way it was handled was horrendous imo

[Daffodil]

Hazel provoked him. Such a shame he didn't just say 'Back off I want to sleep' instead of taking the macho male route.

[Josy]

Saying two to tango isn't putting the blame on Hazel...........

[chuff me dizzy]

Agree 100% it does take 2 to tango

[Kazanne]

So by all accounts it's ok for a woman to assault a bloke,but not the other way round,and didn't I read on here that she also got him round the neck,just asking that's all?

[GiRTh]

To Emma's credit she fumbled around for ages trying to find the right words then said 'it takes two to tango'. The interview will not have been scripted by her and it seems she found it hard to follow the script. I thought she handled it very professionally.

[Niamh.]

To Emma's credit she fumbled around for ages trying to find the right words then said 'it takes two to tango'. The interview will not have been scripted by her and it seems she found it hard to follow the script. I thought she handled it very professionally.

I think he should have been called up on alot more things that happened in there but I will reserve judgement for when Hazel comes out. I'll be very disappointed if she goes to town on Hazel after being so caring and understanding towards Daley who was far more to blame with both the "romance" bit (as he was the one with a g/f) and the "incident" itself

[King Gizzard]

Agree in the sense that it wouldn't have happened without her participation, but it's just a fact, that wouldn't have happened if she wasn't there :suspect:

[Jemal]

The guy just said he wanted to sleep lol. And she kept asking for a cuddle and he didnt want to cuddle the bloody Irish girl.. She took hes dam duvet? Imo what Daley did was uncalled for but it does take two to tango. Hazel was provoking a very drunk man who is a lightweight.

But fgs he came on the show, he apologised to anyone he offended. Stop bloody slating and going on about it. Hes faced the consequences and punishment so what else can he do? Just leave it and move on now..

[chuff me dizzy]

So by all accounts it's ok for a woman to assault a bloke,but not the other way round,and didn't I read on here that she also got him round the neck,just asking that's all?

Yes she did ,and agree with you ,its NOT ok for a woman to pull a man shorts down ,and people who claim it is have double standards

[GiRTh]

I think he should have been called up on alot more things that happened in there but I will reserve judgement for when Hazel comes out. I'll be very disappointed if she goes to town on Hazel after being so caring and understanding towards Daley who was far more to blame with both the "romance" bit (as he was the one with a g/f) and the "incident" itselfOK . Daley clearly has mental health issues so the kid gloves may have been a good idea. I agree that if she goes to town on Hazel then that is not fair but last nights interview given the subject and the circumstances was a it lightweight.

[smeagol]

yea 2 to tango lets have a play fight but how does that give right to threaten to headbut and make someone fear for their life , yeah 2 to tango lol wtf

emma didn't just thow hazel under the bus with that interview she got in the bus in the drivers seat and rolled over hazel then reversed and done it again then blamed her for it.

[chuff me dizzy]

The guy just said he wanted to sleep lol. And she kept asking for a cuddle and he didnt want to cuddle the bloody Irish girl.. She took hes dam duvet? Imo what Daley did was uncalled for but it does take two to tango. Hazel was provoking a very drunk man who is a lightweight.

But fgs he came on the show, he apologised to anyone he offended. Stop bloody slating and going on about it. Hes faced the consequences and punishment so what else can he do? Just leave it and move on now..

Well said

[Kazanne]

What is it with these girls giving the men mixed signals,a man will go one way or another,It's not just Hazel who does it either,Actually it's mixed signals for us too,I cant make out whether Charlie likes Dexter or not ,same with Hazel.(and Daley)

[Niamh.]

The guy just said he wanted to sleep lol. And she kept asking for a cuddle and he didnt want to cuddle the bloody Irish girl.. She took hes dam duvet? Imo what Daley did was uncalled for but it does take two to tango. Hazel was provoking a very drunk man who is a lightweight.

But fgs he came on the show, he apologised to anyone he offended. Stop bloody slating and going on about it. Hes faced the consequences and punishment so what else can he do? Just leave it and move on now..

Why didn't he leave her be in the first place then? BB turned out the lights and closed the shutters for him but he still felt the need to lie to Hazel (who clearly wasn't ready to go to bed and was quite happy outside talking to Charlie) and make her come in and told her to go to bed like a good little girl. He could have slept away and she would never have bothered him if he hadn't insisted she come in

[Jesus.]

I'm genuinely at a loss to understand how anyone can think there is equal blame. This situation could have easily happened after the show, tucked away in a hotel room or a private bedroom somewhere. Imagine how dark this situation could have become then.

It is completely inexcusable. I'm sure if people were watching people they care about in that situation, then their outlooks would be very different. Hazel could be the worst person in the world (which she isn't), but it doesn't give anyone, especially a man, the right to do what he did.

[Jesus.]

What is it with these girls giving the men mixed signals,a man will go one way or another,It's not just Hazel who does it either,Actually it's mixed signals for us too,I cant make out whether Charlie likes Dexter or not ,same with Hazel.(and Daley)

I don't think it's fair to say Hazel was giving him mixed signals. Her signals were very clearly "it's here on a plate if you want it", and her signals have been like that for a while.

[Kazanne]

To be fair he was in his bed and when she came in ,she told him to come and give her a cuddle,she could have also left him alone

[bez87]

Are people forgetting how daley had been acting the day before, telling her how he liked the natural look on girls and then demanded that she understood what he ment and that she shouldn't wear make up, then the next day he told her how much she should wear. And the massive fact that hazel was outside chatting and it was daley who called her in and told her to go sleep and be a good little girl :S she was in a giddy mood, she asked him for a cuddle, but it was him who said come over here. yes she nicked his cover, but i would never go as far as, saying that it takes 2 to tango, when they never were tangoing. :S it seemed to me hazel was taking it light hearted because she was drunk to remember and she thought that he was flirting back, but reality was that he was just annoyed and she just wound him up more, not on purpose, but his actions cannot be justified by Emma saying well it takes 2 to tango, outrageous. the fact they never even brought up the fact he said he had a gf then he didn't then they were having problems, then they wasn't together, :S this was never even mentioned.

The crazy thing is, was it me or did he seem like he was off with Hazel, like she was the one who did this to him, has no one told him actually hazel was ok with it all, and was bad that he had left. he does need help tho.

[Tom4784]

It's like saying it's partly Rihanna's fault for getting attacked by Chris Brown. Absolutely disgraceful.

[Niamh.]

To be fair he was in his bed and when she came in ,she told him to come and give her a cuddle,she could have also left him alone

Why did he demand she come in to the house though if all he wanted to do was go to sleep? Why didn't he leave her alone?

[GiRTh]

The crazy thing is, was it me or did he seem like he was off with Hazel, like she was the one who did this to him, has no one told him actually hazel was ok with it all, and was bad that he had left. he does need help tho.Agree. Instead of apologising to Hazel he took the first opportunity to criticise her.

[KissTheLiquor]

Sure Hazel have done some things but it doesn't explain the way he acted towards her. I was terrified for Hazel as I was watching.

[Kazanne]

I don't think it's fair to say Hazel was giving him mixed signals. Her signals were very clearly "it's here on a plate if you want it", and her signals have been like that for a while.

Yes,you have a point but what is it with Charlie with Dexter,I cant work that one out.:hugesmile:

[anne666]

I think he should have been called up on alot more things that happened in there but I will reserve judgement for when Hazel comes out. I'll be very disappointed if she goes to town on Hazel after being so caring and understanding towards Daley who was far more to blame with both the "romance" bit (as he was the one with a g/f) and the "incident" itself

I agree she handled it badly. Too much glossing over the reality. Par for the course IMO in most post eviction interviews too. Also I think it is because BB are hiding from their responsibility. They should have intervened when he was spiraling out of control before she even went into the room. That was unnerving viewing.They were wanting sleaze, nothing more, why did they not show the whole thing?They know they were wrong. So many people have not seen his manic build up to this. If BB had got the sleaze no amount of pant pulling down or slaps would have mattered.That would have been seen as playful. It all backfired when he let his real rage show.

[Kizzy]

Why did he demand she come in to the house though if all he wanted to do was go to sleep? Why didn't he leave her alone?

This, you had to take into account the little idiosyncrasies he has, the way he paced, cajoled and lied before counting down (wtf) to get her back in the room with him.... If he was so exhausted why not just sleep?
I really felt all the hairs on the back of my neck prickle as the tension grew in there, having been in similar situations the outcome was inevitable.
What if BB weren't watching?....

[anne666]

Why did he demand she come in to the house though if all he wanted to do was go to sleep? Why didn't he leave her alone?

Women are property nothing more. The ranting comments , talking to himself ?? the countdown the lying were awful, demeaning and showed exactly how he regards women. His treatment of her in the shower scene were the same. Edited to make it look far more innocent that it was. BB wanted sleaze and it all went badly wrong. Is this the future of this show now?

[anne666]

This, you had to take into account the little idiosyncrasies he has, the way he paced, cajoled and lied before counting down (wtf) to get her back in the room with him.... If he was so exhausted why not just sleep?
I really felt all the hairs on the back of my neck prickle as the tension grew in there, having been in similar situations the outcome was inevitable.
What if BB weren't watching?....

Why did they let her go in there at all, the raging state he had wound himself into. We all know why.

[Niamh.]

This, you had to take into account the little idiosyncrasies he has, the way he paced, cajoled and lied before counting down (wtf) to get her back in the room with him.... If he was so exhausted why not just sleep?
I really felt all the hairs on the back of my neck prickle as the tension grew in there, having been in similar situations the outcome was inevitable.
What if BB weren't watching?....

Yep, listen, people were calling those signs on here the day before all that happened. With the whole make up conversation and him starting to order her around. He changed the minute they got into that house on their own, not that night imo

[anne666]

Yep, listen, people were calling those signs on here the day before all that happened. With the whole make up conversation and him starting to order her around. He changed the minute they got into that house on their own, not that night imo

Yes. Some other remarks I think Dan made called him into question.

[armand.kay]

There's no excuse for how he treated her in there.

[GiRTh]

Are you guys still slating Daley? :bored:

[armand.kay]

Yep, listen, people were calling those signs on here the day before all that happened. With the whole make up conversation and him starting to order her around. He changed the minute they got into that house on their own, not that night imo
This.

[Im_Juz_ChiLLin]

She is no angel both should have been chuked out !!!

[CaudleHalbard]

The thread title is rather strange. I did not hear anyone on BOTS suggesting Hazel was to blame. Sharing the blame is not the same as being to blame!

[armand.kay]

Next time me and my sister are play fighting i'll make sure to pin her down by her troate if she touches my blanket.

[Livia]

I think he should have been called up on alot more things that happened in there but I will reserve judgement for when Hazel comes out. I'll be very disappointed if she goes to town on Hazel after being so caring and understanding towards Daley who was far more to blame with both the "romance" bit (as he was the one with a g/f) and the "incident" itself

Sadly, there are a lot of women around who come across as being cock-pleasers. They always see the other side when it comes to sympathising with a man, but are really hard on other women. I think it's a kind of "Look at me! I'm not like other women... I really understand you boys". Don't really get that. It's okay to criticise Hazel, it's okay not to like her... but some of the things I've read on this forum over the last couple of days have sickened me. And Emma's touchy-feel, very understanding interview with Daley, as he choked back the tears last night... Give me a *******ing break. And the fact that his "girlfriend" was there last night reinforces the idea for me that men like Daley gravitate generally toward women who'll tolerate their behaviour.

I don't want to pretend that Hazel is totally blameless, she was provocative to a degree, and in hindsight I'm sure she realises she could have handled things differently... but nothing could justify Daley's actions. And all the people calling her a ***** and a slut because she flirted with him... WTF...? She is a single woman, if he's got a girlfriend the onus is on HIM to be faithful, not her.

[JTM45]

Apparently Emma tweeted saying that her "Takes two to tango" comment was in reference to the past four weeks and not the incident in the safehouse.
She's obviously feeling the backlash.

[Livia]

Apparently Emma tweeted saying that her "Takes two to tango" comment was in reference to the past four weeks and not the incident in the safehouse.
She's obviously feeling the backlash.

Then as a professional presenter who's paid a hell of a lot of money to communicate in English, she should have ensured she was making herself clear at the time.

[Cherie]

This, you had to take into account the little idiosyncrasies he has, the way he paced, cajoled and lied before counting down (wtf) to get her back in the room with him.... If he was so exhausted why not just sleep?
I really felt all the hairs on the back of my neck prickle as the tension grew in there, having been in similar situations the outcome was inevitable.
What if BB weren't watching?....

As I said in another thread, I feel BB left it go on far too long before they intervened presumably to get the desired romp under the duvet. They failed in their duty of care to both Housemates and I feel that is why they are pussyfooting around now.

[anne666]

Apparently Emma tweeted saying that her "Takes two to tango" comment was in reference to the past four weeks and not the incident in the safehouse.
She's obviously feeling the backlash.

Emma has splinters in her backside from sitting on soooo many fences. Can't stand the sycophantic woman.

[RichardG]

Yes she did ,and agree with you ,its NOT ok for a woman to pull a man shorts down ,and people who claim it is have double standards

The people who have double standards are the ones who fully supported Denise pulling the twins shorts down in CBB because they hated them, yet are disgusted at Hazel pulling Daley's shorts down because they hate HER. I remember when the twins were sat in the diary room screaming "we're gonna sue!!" and everyone was moaning about what an overreaction it was, and yet Daley responds by pinning Hazel to the bed by her neck threatening to "nut her" and that's a perfectly fine reaction? There's the real double standards.

[anne666]

As I said in another thread, I feel BB left it go on far too long before they intervened presumably to get the desired romp under the duvet. They failed in their duty of care to both Housemates and I feel that is why they are pussyfooting around now.

Exactly and I have said the same. Its only about viewing figures nothing more. So called Psychological profiling?? Give me a break !Money and they dont care what emotionally dysfunctional person they use to get it.

[GiRTh]

Sadly, there are a lot of women around who come across as being cock-pleasers. They always see the other side when it comes to sympathising with a man, but are really hard on other women. I think it's a kind of "Look at me! I'm not like other women... I really understand you boys". Don't really get that. It's okay to criticise Hazel, it's okay not to like her... but some of the things I've read on this forum over the last couple of days have sickened me. And Emma's touchy-feel, very understanding interview with Daley, as he choked back the tears last night... Give me a *******ing break. And the fact that his "girlfriend" was there last night reinforces the idea for me that men like Daley gravitate generally toward women who'll tolerate their behaviour.

I don't want to pretend that Hazel is totally blameless, she was provocative to a degree, and in hindsight I'm sure she realises she could have handled things differently... but nothing could justify Daley's actions. And all the people calling her a ***** and a slut because she flirted with him... WTF...? She is a single woman, if he's got a girlfriend the onus is on HIM to be faithful, not her.In my experience genuine abusers are very rarely single. I wasn't surprised to see his gf there and I wont be surprised if she goes back to him.

[user104658]

the whole I thoughtd was ridiculous. he made it abundantly clear that he isnt sorry for what ended up happening with Hazel - he's sorry (fof himself) that he had his little fling and messed up his own relationship, and that he came out looking like a thug. His tearz were all about feeling sorry for himself. A d he clearly blamed Hazel throughout - not really for the incident as I'm sure he'd been briefed not to - but he clearly blames her for "leading him astray" and ruining things with his girlfriend. Pathetic boy. His face when hazel was mentioned spoke more than. a thousand words.

I'm not saying he's a monster at all. **** happens. Dark, stupid mistakes happen. I fully believe he thought it was "rough flirting" and still does but the fact is he DIX into.usage and scare her, and he should be SORRY for that. He should want to tell her "look... things went to far, I never meant to scare you like that, I wouldnt have hurt you" but no... he's throwing a tantrum and blaming someone else for his mistake. Bots playing along, is disgusting. Not Emma's fault, it was clearly scripted for her, but it's not going to help her "more serious" career outside of / after Big Bro.

[Jack_]

Apparently Emma tweeted saying that her "Takes two to tango" comment was in reference to the past four weeks and not the incident in the safehouse.
She's obviously feeling the backlash.

Which is exactly what I said she meant last night, some people really don't listen and clearly don't watch BOTS enough to know what things Emma says regularly

[CaudleHalbard]

Emma has splinters in her backside from sitting on soooo many fences. Can't stand the sycophantic woman.

Not really fair on Emma. She does as she's told by the producers who, in turn, take advice as necessary from the company's lawyers.

I sensed from the hesitations last night that Emma was getting instructions via her earpiece.

[Niamh.]

Sadly, there are a lot of women around who come across as being cock-pleasers. They always see the other side when it comes to sympathising with a man, but are really hard on other women. I think it's a kind of "Look at me! I'm not like other women... I really understand you boys". Don't really get that. It's okay to criticise Hazel, it's okay not to like her... but some of the things I've read on this forum over the last couple of days have sickened me. And Emma's touchy-feel, very understanding interview with Daley, as he choked back the tears last night... Give me a *******ing break. And the fact that his "girlfriend" was there last night reinforces the idea for me that men like Daley gravitate generally toward women who'll tolerate their behaviour.

I don't want to pretend that Hazel is totally blameless, she was provocative to a degree, and in hindsight I'm sure she realises she could have handled things differently... but nothing could justify Daley's actions. And all the people calling her a ***** and a slut because she flirted with him... WTF...? She is a single woman, if he's got a girlfriend the onus is on HIM to be faithful, not her.

exactly, very well put and I completely agree

[GiRTh]

Not really fair on Emma. She does as she's told by the producers who, in turn, take advice as necessary from the company's lawyers.

I sensed from the hesitations last night that Emma was getting instructions via her earpiece.Agree. there was smething going on cuz she fumbled quite badly over the it takes two to tango line. I thought perhaps she didn't believe what she was saying or maybe the producers were telling her something.

[Livia]

Which is exactly what I said she meant last night, some people really don't listen and clearly don't watch BOTS enough to know what things Emma says regularly

Like I said earlier, Jack... Emma is a really well-paid presenter who's job it is to communicate clearly. Lots of people don't or can't watch BOTS religiously and I feel Emma should have used a less ambiguous comment for such a serious issue.

Hey, by the way :-)

[Kizzy]

His therapist advised her not to antagonise him ......

[anne666]

Not really fair on Emma. She does as she's told by the producers who, in turn, take advice as necessary from the company's lawyers.

I sensed from the hesitations last night that Emma was getting instructions via her earpiece.

Pity someone doesn't sue the company for negligence , irresponsibility or whatever.I am not a solicitor but to me they are culpable.

[Niamh.]

The people who have double standards are the ones who fully supported Denise pulling the twins shorts down in CBB because they hated them, yet are disgusted at Hazel pulling Daley's shorts down because they hate HER. I remember when the twins were sat in the diary room screaming "we're gonna sue!!" and everyone was moaning about what an overreaction it was, and yet Daley responds by pinning Hazel to the bed by her neck threatening to "nut her" and that's a perfectly fine reaction? There's the real double standards.

I agree with that. And I do think Hazel shouldn't have done that but I do think that a warning was sufficient as it was in Denises case

[GiRTh]

Pity someone doesn't sue the company for negligence , irresponsibility or whatever.I am not a solicitor but to me they are culpable.I think so too. If Hazel had been genuinely hurt then BB would have been open to all kind of lawsuits for failing to protect a Hm.

[Livia]

Pity someone doesn't sue the company for negligence , irresponsibility or whatever.I am not a solicitor but to me they are culpable.

I think so too. If Hazel had been genuinely hurt then BB would have been open to all kind of lawsuits for failing to protect a Hm.

Got to agree with you both. They left it far too long...

[CaudleHalbard]

I think so too. If Hazel had been genuinely hurt then BB would have been open to all kind of lawsuits for failing to protect a Hm.

The HMs probably have to sign a legal disclaimer. You can be sure that after all these years the legal side of things is tightly drawn.

[Miranda123]

Still no excuse for how he handled it.He should have just pulled her pants down,Not threatened to nut her!

Had he pulled down her pants, he would have been evicted, which is why she should have been evicted too

[Niamh.]

Had he pulled down her pants, he would have been evicted, which is why she should have been evicted too

How do you know that? No one has ever in the history of BB been kicked out for doing that

[Withano]

Her twitters says the comment was for the 4 weeks prior, not the event that caused him to leave the house

[Livia]

The HMs probably have to sign a legal disclaimer. You can be sure that after all these years the legal side of things is tightly drawn.


The housemates sign a contract. You can't include clauses that would allow you to become the victim of a crime and not expect there to be consequences.

[Miranda123]

I agree with that. And I do think Hazel shouldn't have done that but I do think that a warning was sufficient as it was in Denises case

Denise was a woman, doing it to a woman, and she did not manage to pull the twins pants down completely so we saw nothing

Hazel pulled Daleys pants all the way down and therefore should have been ejected for sexual assault, which is how it would have played out had she been a guy doing it to a girl who didnt want it done

no one here is trying to justify Daleys actions but please stop trying to justify Hazel cause we are all gonna let her (and the rest of the housemates) know exactly what went on, when we all boo her to f..k on Friday night

Dans face will be a confused picture lololololol

[Livia]

Denise was a woman, doing it to a woman, and she did not manage to pull the twins pants down completely so we saw nothing

Hazel pulled Daleys pants all the way down and therefore should have been ejected for sexual assault, which is how it would have played out had she been a guy doing it to a girl who didnt want it done

no one here is trying to justify Daleys actions but please stop trying to justify Hazel cause we are all gonna let her (and the rest of the housemates) know exactly what went on, when we all boo her to f..k on Friday night

Dans face will be a confused picture lololololol

That was not sexual assult. "Intent". Look it up.

And I'm sure Hazel will get booed. All the women will boo the beautiful model... same as always.

[GiRTh]

The HMs probably have to sign a legal disclaimer. You can be sure that after all these years the legal side of things is tightly drawn.I don't think so. Its like on I'm a celeb when certain contestants are excused from tasks on medical grounds. As soon as they enter the show the producers have an obligation to protect them and thus BB has been accused of being over protective at times. I think BB knows they kept the camera rolling for a few seconds too long on Sunday and thus the evidence has gone online and the arse licking interview with Daley last night.

[Miranda123]

Hazel pulled Daley's boxers down and slapped him on the bottom.IMO Nothing justifies him pinning her down then gesturing to head butt her.

Is it right that most on BBOTS will do anything to justify cementing opposition against one of their targets, which at the moment is Hazel for what I think too was horrible behaviour how she used to flirt with Daley and was the main one leading things between them.

Is it right they were saying that her pulling down his boxers and slapping him instigated and was partly responsible for him threatening her later by holding her down then threatening to nut her ?

The answer to your thread question is

YES

[CaudleHalbard]

I don't think so. Its like on I'm a celeb when certain contestants are excused from tasks on medical grounds. As soon as they enter the show the producers have an obligation to protect them and thus BB has been accused of being over protective at times. I think BB knows they kept the camera rolling for a few seconds too long on Sunday and thus the evidence has gone online and the arse licking interview with Daley last night.

Celeb shows are very different with individual contracts.

BB contestants will all have signed a standard contract.

[anne666]

How do you know that? No one has ever in the history of BB been kicked out for doing that

This .I am fed up with hearing the pant pulling down excuse . That kind of behaviour has been part and parcel of BB since it began

[thesheriff443]

Sadly, there are a lot of women around who come across as being cock-pleasers. They always see the other side when it comes to sympathising with a man, but are really hard on other women. I think it's a kind of "Look at me! I'm not like other women... I really understand you boys". Don't really get that. It's okay to criticise Hazel, it's okay not to like her... but some of the things I've read on this forum over the last couple of days have sickened me. And Emma's touchy-feel, very understanding interview with Daley, as he choked back the tears last night... Give me a *******ing break. And the fact that his "girlfriend" was there last night reinforces the idea for me that men like Daley gravitate generally toward women who'll tolerate their behaviour.

I don't want to pretend that Hazel is totally blameless, she was provocative to a degree, and in hindsight I'm sure she realises she could have handled things differently... but nothing could justify Daley's actions. And all the people calling her a ***** and a slut because she flirted with him... WTF...? She is a single woman, if he's got a girlfriend the onus is on HIM to be faithful, not her.

i knew i liked you!

[thesheriff443]

This .I am fed up with hearing the pant pulling down excuse . That kind of behaviour has been part and parcel of BB since it began

when you are a lot older most on here will be glad to have someone pulling their pants down to avoid embarrassment:shocked::joker:

[anne666]

Emma tells it like it is, she understands (like most girls) exactly what Hazel was up to, unfortunately the men on here seem a but stupid when it comes to girls like this

EMMA WILLIS TELLS IT LIKE IT IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CANT WAIT FOR HAZZELS INTERVIEW (if she gets one)lol

The day Emma tells it like it is I will believe she is at last earning her salary.To sign away chunks of ones integrity is not really something I admire.

[anne666]

when you are a lot older most on here will glad to have someone pulling their pants down to avoid embarrassment:shocked::joker:

:joker:I am not far away from that, I am older I'm afraid LOL

[Speedster]

That was not sexual assult. "Intent". Look it up.

And I'm sure Hazel will get booed. All the women will boo the beautiful model... same as always.

Exactly. The crowd almost always boo women, they almost always cheer the men, it's always driven Me insane-to Me it's just silly girls on a hero worship trip-trying not to say sexist or double standards"-but I think there's masses of bias on the show.

And I really think that Gina doesn't like Hazel because she (Gina) thinks that Hazel is more attractive than her. Which she is imo.

[CaudleHalbard]

she (Gina) thinks that Hazel is more attractive than her.

Wouldn't be hard! ;)

[Speedster]

Wouldn't be hard! ;)


Hehe no it wouldn't, would it? and she's got no clue about what colours suit her skin tone-bright blue and pink??? wtf!. The make-up artists took it all off and used much more natural tones on her.

[cheapbbfan]

It does take two to tangle and Hazel has been straddling along the line for quite some time. She's not completely innocent

[Livia]

Exactly. The crowd almost always boo women, they almost always cheer the men, it's always driven Me insane-to Me it's just silly girls on a hero worship trip-trying not to say sexist or double standards"-but I think there's masses of bias on the show.

And I really think that Gina doesn't like Hazel because she (Gina) thinks that Hazel is more attractive than her. Which she is imo.

Yes... silly girls and insecure women. And I agree about Gina, I've thought that for a while.

[kate2013]

Two to tango means each owned a part to play. A person needs to own their inappropriate behaviour in an incident to prevent recreating it elsewhere.

Daley needs to accept that he chose to flirt with Hazel despite having a girlfiend. He needs to accept that he was willing to jeopardise his long term relationship for all the plans he had made in his head regarding him and Hazel. He could see the tipping point but he chose to tip it. Hazel cannot make him do that. Is Katies son his? did he ever disclose the existance of a child? these are things I don't know. He needs to accept his controlling behaviour and do what he needs to, to change it. He has an ideal in his head and sort to mould Hazel into it by commenting about her appearance. Hazel has the right to wear her make up as she wishes. So has any woman. The controlling was visible before the drinking. Alcohol only serves to affect peoples morals and judgement. When he already appears to be a troubled individual it does not bode well. Wherever this side of Daley came from, be it his upbringing in which he may have been subject to this type of control and violent aggression, or taught that its ok to treat a woman this way, he needs to learn it is not ok to act this way. It is only then he will be able to comfortably mix with others without fear of himself or others. I hope he moves on from this.

Hazel is controlling in the way she interacts with men. She got off in pressing herself on Daley with "cuddles" so she could give them a hard on, and walk away enjoying the power of it as Daley tried to cover himself. This is inappropriate behaviour and her psychological state has to be questioned as to why she feels the need to do this to men?
As Daley was battling with his conscience, new found celebrity status, ideals, and whether to go for it with Hazel if he could get confirmation that Katie was no longer interested, Hazel never had any real interest in Daley. When the housemates intervened and Hazel was booed and called a Homewrecker, she admitted the Daley thing was out of "boredom." In the safe house the fight for control between Daley and Hazel escalated and ended the only way it could when two people are of this mindset, drunk, on tv, and thinking about their status in the house and the show they are putting on. Hazel in her part demanding cuddles, then pulled his pants down showing all of Daleys genitals to the public without his permission. How would Hazel feel if Daley had pulled her knickers down exposing her vagina? She too should of been removed from the house for this action.



Finally, when everything had calmed down Big Brother (after interviewing an upset Katie) gave the viewers the opportunity to vote Daley and Hazel in to the safe house. An utterly disgraceful move in the face of the Katie inteview which shows that Ratings really do trump the concern for housemates or family members. I truly hope that both Hazel and Daley and his family take something positive from this now they have had the opportunity to see the shadow side of their characters and are able to look at what brought them about and how they can change them, obviously national tv isnt going to be the least shaming place to have witnessed them and been given the opportunity , but they've got to deal with this now and hopefully move on as more aware individuals.

As for Big Brother they need to start looking at their behaviour and call a halt on things before an unstable character ends up killing themselves as a result. Know your limits BB, and your duty of care.

[anne666]

Kate 2013, well said . I agree with everything other than she should have been evicted.He went completely OTT. BB wanted sexual activity in there to boost ratings and anything else that happened was immaterial. If they had got that any pants pulling down etc wouldn't have mattered at all to them. She has morally behaved appallingly but he went further than that.BB is responsible for so much and will get away with it all.

[GiRTh]

Two to tango means each owned a part to play. A person needs to own their inappropriate behaviour in an incident to prevent recreating it elsewhere.

Daley needs to accept that he chose to flirt with Hazel despite having a girlfiend. He needs to accept that he was willing to jeopardise his long term relationship for all the plans he had made in his head regarding him and Hazel. He could see the tipping point but he chose to tip it. Hazel cannot make him do that. Is Katies son his? did he ever disclose the existance of a child? these are things I don't know. He needs to accept his controlling behaviour and do what he needs to, to change it. He has an ideal in his head and sort to mould Hazel into it by commenting about her appearance. Hazel has the right to wear her make up as she wishes. So has any woman. The controlling was visible before the drinking. Alcohol only serves to affect peoples morals and judgement. When he already appears to be a troubled individual it does not bode well. Wherever this side of Daley came from, be it his upbringing in which he may have been subject to this type of control and violent aggression, or taught that its ok to treat a woman this way, he needs to learn it is not ok to act this way. It is only then he will be able to comfortably mix with others without fear of himself or others. I hope he moves on from this.

Hazel is controlling in the way she interacts with men. She got off in pressing herself on Daley with "cuddles" so she could give them a hard on, and walk away enjoying the power of it as Daley tried to cover himself. This is inappropriate behaviour and her psychological state has to be questioned as to why she feels the need to do this to men?
As Daley was battling with his conscience, new found celebrity status, ideals, and whether to go for it with Hazel if he could get confirmation that Katie was no longer interested, Hazel never had any real interest in Daley. When the housemates intervened and Hazel was booed and called a Homewrecker, she admitted the Daley thing was out of "boredom." In the safe house the fight for control between Daley and Hazel escalated and ended the only way it could when two people are of this mindset, drunk, on tv, and thinking about their status in the house and the show they are putting on. Hazel in her part demanding cuddles, then pulled his pants down showing all of Daleys genitals to the public without his permission. How would Hazel feel if Daley had pulled her knickers down exposing her vagina? She too should of been removed from the house for this action.



Finally, when everything had calmed down Big Brother (after interviewing an upset Katie) gave the viewers the opportunity to vote Daley and Hazel in to the safe house. An utterly disgraceful move in the face of the Katie inteview which shows that Ratings really do trump the concern for housemates or family members. I truly hope that both Hazel and Daley and his family take something positive from this now they have had the opportunity to see the shadow side of their characters and are able to look at what brought them about and how they can change them, obviously national tv isnt going to be the least shaming place to have witnessed them and been given this opporyunity , but they've got to deal with this now and hopefully move on as more aware individuals.

As for Big Brother they need to start looking at their behaviour and call a halt on things begore an unstable character ends up killing themselves as a result. Know your limits BB, and your duty of care.:thumbs:

[bez87]

Listen when it comes down to it, the only one responsible for what happened is Daley.
Forget the pants pulling moment, the moment he turned was well before that, and deep down we all know it changed when they went into the safe house, just by the way he was talking to her about the make-up something didn't sound right in my mind. We all have choices in life at any given moment.

Hazel did wrong by pulling his pants down, but from what she told Dan it was a bit of fun, i agree with her, i think she thought that this was his way of flirting, because he demanded she come back into the house and go to sleep like a good little girl. She was drunk he was drunk forget the camera's were even their i don't think neither of them really gave much thought to them, like some people on this board think their playing a game every moment of every day. This incident does not justify what happened next and it comes down all on Daley.

But give credit where it's due, Daley has apologized and understands completely what he has done. He does need help.

The one thing i didn't like about the interview was the it takes 2 to tango which when watching the show, she clearly says this when talking about the incident.
The other main big concern was, the talk about this whole girlfriend thing, this so called "KATIE" who we should all feel sorry for and all that, was back stage waiting for him, why was she even there, absolutely nothing came of that. What we have to remember is Emma would of been briefed before hand on what she can and cannot say to him.

[Livia]

Sigh... I'm not going into the whole "assault and provocation" thing again... Everyone has has to be responsible for their own actions. But when one person strikes another, it's game over.

[CaudleHalbard]

Listen when it comes down to it, the only one responsible for what happened is Daley


.

Add "in my opinion" and that's fine.

The viewing public do not share that opinion. But there's nothing wrong with being a minority, even a small minority. :)

[Livia]

Listen when it comes down to it, the only one responsible for what happened is Daley.
Forget the pants pulling moment, the moment he turned was well before that, and deep down we all know it changed when they went into the safe house, just by the way he was talking to her about the make-up something didn't sound right in my mind. We all have choices in life at any given moment.

Hazel did wrong by pulling his pants down, but from what she told Dan it was a bit of fun, i agree with her, i think she thought that this was his way of flirting, because he demanded she come back into the house and go to sleep like a good little girl. She was drunk he was drunk forget the camera's were even their i don't think neither of them really gave much thought to them, like some people on this board think their playing a game every moment of every day. This incident does not justify what happened next and it comes down all on Daley.

But give credit where it's due, Daley has apologized and understands completely what he has done. He does need help.

The one thing i didn't like about the interview was the it takes 2 to tango which when watching the show, she clearly says this when talking about the incident.
The other main big concern was, the talk about this whole girlfriend thing, this so called "KATIE" who we should all feel sorry for and all that, was back stage waiting for him, why was she even there, absolutely nothing came of that. What we have to remember is Emma would of been briefed before hand on what she can and cannot say to him.

My favoruite post of the day so far.

[Livia]

Add "in my opinion" and that's fine.

The viewing public do not share that opinion. But there's nothing wrong with being a minority, even a small minority. :)

I think he's talking about the assault. And like I've said about a squillion times... but one more time for the Queen: you cannot claim someone provoked you into striking them. That's not an opinion, that's the law.

[CaudleHalbard]

I think he's talking about the assault. And like I've said about a squillion times... but one more time for the Queen: you cannot claim someone provoked you into striking them. That's not an opinion, that's the law.

There were several assaults that night by both Hazel and Daley. Which particular one do you mean? :)

[bez87]

Add "in my opinion" and that's fine.

The viewing public do not share that opinion. But there's nothing wrong with being a minority, even a small minority. :)

Well if i'm a minority thinking that Daley threatening another human being for hardly any reason at all esp a woman then, the world has gone made, and no one has morals anymore, or dares to stand up and take resonsibility seems like we have become a world who would rather put the blame on everyone else. disgraceful

[bez87]

There were several assaults that night by both Hazel and Daley. Which particular one do you mean? :)

What assaults???? pulling pants down doesn't come close to wanting to headbutt someone for nothing.

[anne666]

Well if i'm a minority thinking that Daley threatening another human being for hardly any reason at all esp a woman then, the world has gone made, and no one has morals anymore, or dares to stand up and take resonsibility seems like we have become a world who would rather put the blame on everyone else. disgraceful

You are in a majority on here I think. Some however are in the category of the last part of your sentence. Running round in a wheel not aware of that.Claiming men have no self control so its all the womans fault .

[CaudleHalbard]

What assaults???? pulling pants down doesn't come close.


It would rank as indecent assault. Usually considered pretty serious.

Ok, how about Hazel pressing a pillow down on Daley's face? How about her kicking out at him?

Any of these assaults you'd like to chat about? :)

[anne666]

What assaults???? pulling pants down doesn't come close to wanting to headbutt someone for nothing.

Well it does if you are a raging angry, misogynistic control freak who should never have been selected in the first place

[Livia]

It would rank as indecent assault. Usually considered pretty serious.

Ok, how about Hazel pressing a pillow down on Daley's face? How about her kicking out at him?

Any of these assaults you'd like to chat about? :)

There was no indecent - or any other kind of assault, apart from when Daley first struck and then put his hands around Hazel's throat aggressively. Seriously... Were you watching a different programme?

[Livia]

There were several assaults that night by both Hazel and Daley. Which particular one do you mean? :)

Hazel did not assault Daley.

[anne666]

It would rank as indecent assault. Usually considered pretty serious.

Ok, how about Hazel pressing a pillow down on Daley's face? How about her kicking out at him?

Any of these assaults you'd like to chat about? :)

How many times are you going to go on repeating this. You have had answers , some of us disagree. You and others repeating the stuff that some disagree with will not change my viewpoint, at least, one iota.

[GiRTh]

There was no indecent - or any other kind of assault, apart from when Daley first struck and then put his hands around Hazel's throat aggressively. Seriously... Were you watching a different programme?slightly off topic but I'm curious. If you and me were having an argument and you took a couple of steps toward me, if I then raise my hand to stop you and a fight ensued, who would legally have started that?

[bez87]

You are in a majority on here I think. Some however are in the category of the last part of your sentence. Running round in a wheel not aware of that.Claiming men have no self control so its all the womans fault .

Thanks, i mean some of the members here completely disgust me, how they hate someone so much they make it up in their own mind to justify this sort of behaviour that it comes down to the person they hate.

I mean do they live in the real world, seriously if i ran into a night club and pulled someones pants down and ran off, it would be a slap on the wrist and probably a chuckle from the police station and to say don't do it again. yes humilating but for a couple it's nothing but a bit of fun, she probably forgot about the camera's being drunk and the lights off, after 3weeks in their, the camera's are probably at the back of many of there minds by now.

If i told a woman that i may get angry and then choke her and tell her if she didn't respect me then i'd nut her, that would be at least a suspended jail sentence at least, thats the fact.

The whole lads and girls equals thing, it's more common that a lad would just laugh it off and carry on, but a girl is alot more emotional, i'm not being sexiest thats just the real world.

[bez87]

It would rank as indecent assault. Usually considered pretty serious.

Ok, how about Hazel pressing a pillow down on Daley's face? How about her kicking out at him?

Any of these assaults you'd like to chat about? :)

There playful and in a court of law would not be classed as an assault :S do you even know the law or are you just clutching at straws just to wind everyone up lol

[anne666]

Thanks, i mean some of the members here completely disgust me, how they hate someone so much they make it up in their own mind to justify this sort of behaviour that it comes down to the person they hate.

I mean do they live in the real world, seriously if i ran into a night club and pulled someones pants down and ran off, it would be a slap on the wrist and probably a chuckle from the police station and to say don't do it again. yes humilating but for a couple it's nothing but a bit of fun, she probably forgot about the camera's being drunk and the lights off, after 3weeks in their, the camera's are probably at the back of many of there minds by now.

If i told a woman that i may get angry and then choke her and tell her if she didn't respect me then i'd nut her, that would be at least a suspended jail sentence at least, thats the fact.

The whole lads and girls equals thing, it's more common that a lad would just laugh it off and carry on, but a girl is alot more emotional, i'm not being sexiest thats just the real world.

It is ALL so obvious to objective adults. Blind and nonsensical subjectivity abounds and is worrying.

[anne666]

I couldn't stand either of them and at times had to fast forward , they repulsed me.

[Ellen]

Emma agreed it takes two to tango regarding the flirting, she did not blame Hazel for Daley putting his hands around & her neck & threatening to nut her.

[lime]

Personally I disliked Hazel and Daley equally.I believe the right outcome was for Hazel to receive a warning and Daley to be removed.
What annoys me is that some Hazel fans seem to think that when someone finds fault in Hazel's behaviour that they must be jealous silly women.
I dislike Jackie more and Jack & Joe probably on a par to Hazel but I'm sure I will never be accused of being a silly jealous woman when it comes to those three

[kistar]

There was no indecent - or any other kind of assault, apart from when Daley first struck and then put his hands around Hazel's throat aggressively. Seriously... Were you watching a different programme?

She struck him first, and when he grabbed her by the throat she did it straight back to him and she said something along the lines of "do you think I'm intimidated by aggressive men?" meaning no she wasn't she also lifted herself up towards him in so her face was close to his , Livia , woman or man it doesn't matter she was goading him and she experienced the consequences of her actions, surely we all have to be responsible for what we do and with whom and when , had she given him back his cover said okay enough now and not pulled his shorts down none of it would have happened.

What annoys me is you are making women out to be the weaker sex and vulnerable to men and I for one am not. If you own your part in it you are not a victim, and you are making Hazel sound like a victim. I said in one post it's all about perception and I meant that based on life experiences and beliefs, my view point is coloured by my experiences .Just because I think Hazel should take responsibility for her actions does not in any way shape or form mean I side with men or hate her for being gorgeous either.

We have to acknowledge at some level too men have a weakness in their need and desire to procreate and as women we should not use that as leverage and be aware that we have the equipment to bring them to their knees if we like, so again we should take responsibility for our actions .

[bez87]

Emma agreed it takes two to tango regarding the flirting, she did not blame Hazel for Daley putting his hands around & her neck & threatening to nut her.

Yes it has come out that, is what she ment, but on the program she was saying it a few times, on the show when they was talking about the incident. whats it got to do with them flirting, people can flirt all the time and not have that happen to them.

[Niamh.]

She struck him first, and when he grabbed her by the throat she did it straight back to him and she said something along the lines of "do you think I'm intimidated by aggressive men?" meaning no she wasn't she also lifted herself up towards him in so her face was close to his , Livia , woman or man it doesn't matter she was goading him and she experienced the consequences of her actions, surely we all have to be responsible for what we do and with whom and when , had she given him back his cover said okay enough now and not pulled his shorts down none of it would have happened.

What annoys me is you are making women out to be the weaker sex and vulnerable to men and I for one am not. If you own your part in it you are not a victim, and you are making Hazel sound like a victim. I said in one post it's all about perception and I meant that based on life experiences and beliefs, my view point is coloured by my experiences .Just because I think Hazel should take responsibility for her actions does not in any way shape or form mean I side with men or hate her for being gorgeous either.

We have to acknowledge at some level too men have a weakness in their need and desire to procreate and as women we should not use that as leverage and be aware that we have the equipment to bring them to their knees if we like, so again we should take responsibility for our actions .

Are you kidding me?

[the truth]

Are you kidding me?

no shes not. why cant you have a conversation about this without mocking?

[Ellen]

Yes it has come out that, is what she ment, but on the program she was saying it a few times, on the show when they was talking about the incident. whats it got to do with them flirting, people can flirt all the time and not have that happen to them.

I think she was trying to point out that both were flirting & that they had overstepped the line 50/50 until Daley flipped.

[the truth]

Yes it has come out that, is what she ment, but on the program she was saying it a few times, on the show when they was talking about the incident. whats it got to do with them flirting, people can flirt all the time and not have that happen to them.

without having your pants pulled down on national tv you mean? and your penis exposed to millions? remember how the twins reacted to this?

[the truth]

I think she was trying to point out that both were flirting & that they had overstepped the line 50/50 until Daley flipped.

yes true that's what she said and what she meant that was very fair

[Niamh.]

no shes not. why cant you have a conversation about this without mocking?

I'm sure she's more than capable of answering for herself, thank you very much.

[the truth]

I'm sure she's more than capable of answering for herself, thank you very much.

oh pardon me all over the place, you never ever interject in other peoples discussion, noooooo of course not:joker:

[Niamh.]

oh pardon me all over the place, you never ever interject in other peoples discussion, noooooo of course not:joker:

That's alright, don't do it again

[anne666]

Emma agreed it takes two to tango regarding the flirting, she did not blame Hazel for Daley putting his hands around & her neck & threatening to nut her.

And she stated her regret for saying that on twitter. Hopeless woman.

[anne666]

She struck him first, and when he grabbed her by the throat she did it straight back to him and she said something along the lines of "do you think I'm intimidated by aggressive men?" meaning no she wasn't she also lifted herself up towards him in so her face was close to his , Livia , woman or man it doesn't matter she was goading him and she experienced the consequences of her actions, surely we all have to be responsible for what we do and with whom and when , had she given him back his cover said okay enough now and not pulled his shorts down none of it would have happened.

What annoys me is you are making women out to be the weaker sex and vulnerable to men and I for one am not. If you own your part in it you are not a victim, and you are making Hazel sound like a victim. I said in one post it's all about perception and I meant that based on life experiences and beliefs, my view point is coloured by my experiences .Just because I think Hazel should take responsibility for her actions does not in any way shape or form mean I side with men or hate her for being gorgeous either.

We have to acknowledge at some level too men have a weakness in their need and desire to procreate and as women we should not use that as leverage and be aware that we have the equipment to bring them to their knees if we like, so again we should take responsibility for our actions .

Disagree .

[RodHull]

Are you kidding me?

Sadly not... seems many people still think men are just mindless bags of testosterone waiting to be manipulated by the evil women who ruined the world for everyone by eating the apple in the garden of eden :conf:

As for the utter bulls**t about her striking him first, hers was a playful slap, his playful slap was equally fine. It was the choking and pinning her down that crossed the line... massively

And the equally utter bulls**t that she was goading him when he had her pinned, do you people use your eyes and brains at all?? She was scared by then, what was she to do, beg her master for forgiveness. She had only two options at that point, show her weakness by asking him to stop or submitting or front him up and hope he backed off and saw sense.

Sadly it didnt work and he just got worse. When it was stopped by BB she was barely responding anymore and was clearly scared, to the point were she went across the room away from him. Even she said she wasnt sure what happened or why she didnt try to make him look bad at all, if anything she tried to mitigate for him cause she felt bad for her part in it.

Yes she played with fire and got burned, but that doesnt mean the fire should not be put out or stopped. Its fine to have little sympathy for her but it doesnt stop what happened being wrong and totally his fault.

[bez87]

She struck him first, and when he grabbed her by the throat she did it straight back to him and she said something along the lines of "do you think I'm intimidated by aggressive men?" meaning no she wasn't she also lifted herself up towards him in so her face was close to his , Livia , woman or man it doesn't matter she was goading him and she experienced the consequences of her actions, surely we all have to be responsible for what we do and with whom and when , had she given him back his cover said okay enough now and not pulled his shorts down none of it would have happened.

What annoys me is you are making women out to be the weaker sex and vulnerable to men and I for one am not. If you own your part in it you are not a victim, and you are making Hazel sound like a victim. I said in one post it's all about perception and I meant that based on life experiences and beliefs, my view point is coloured by my experiences .Just because I think Hazel should take responsibility for her actions does not in any way shape or form mean I side with men or hate her for being gorgeous either.

We have to acknowledge at some level too men have a weakness in their need and desire to procreate and as women we should not use that as leverage and be aware that we have the equipment to bring them to their knees if we like, so again we should take responsibility for our actions .

But thats not the whole story and you say you have a view point which is coloured by your experiences. Then you would take into account that he has become controlling over the last couple of days, and that it was Daley who demanded Hazel come in and go to sleep "like a good little girl".

Daley said he couldn't sleep until she was in bed, yet he had been in bed for awhile before she came in, she asked why he wasn't in her bed and he said he didn't want to blah blah, the conversation then turned that Daley said she should come over to him, so this in turn signals a response for something in Hazel, she was giddy from the booze and nicked his quilt in a playful many, for him to come over, this was not the case and Daley turned,

Hazel slapped his bum playfully, but he smacked her arse in a alot more aggressive manner, She never said anything about intimidated, she said she can handle an aggressive man, but in a sexual tease sort of tone of voice, you could tell she wanted it to be a sexual flirtatious sort of thing.

The moment when she realises that this could be getting abit out of hand and in that instance when she should of thought enough enough, instead is ups her game by pulling his pants down because she is still abit well he still may be flirting, before this moment tho she did just ask him for a hug to try and calm the situation down, it was a mistake she pulled his pants down but a mistake was all it was. After this she goes quiet and she turns to the side and allows him to get the quilt at this moment she has defused herself from it and wants nothing more to do with it, but he takes the quilt and then goes back, and at this point he tries to hold her hands down she grabs him to try and get him off, yes by the throat, but he puts his hand on her throat and tells her to respect her elders otherwise he will nut her.

So at no point in any of this, Hazel signals the behaviour that Daley portrays. Yes at the beginning of it, she encourages it, but i believe that Hazel has the impression that this is roleplay. she stops as soon as it's gone to far and he isn't showing any signs that this is for sexual preference.

[kistar]

I'm sure she's more than capable of answering for herself, thank you very much.

No I'm not kidding , I don't go round shoving my boobs into guys faces if I know they have a girlfriend , i don't do it generally to be honest , if I was giving a guy a hug and he got an erection he clearly didn't want I would move away and laugh and be a bit embarressed I wouldn't do it again and again and again and a bloody gain.I would also be sensitive to the fact that in the big brother house guys are not having sex and they may not be able to relieve themselves , there fore making sure I didn't make them ache with a great big bulge in their shorts because that would be cruel .

[Niamh.]

No I'm not kidding , I don't go round shoving my boobs into guys faces if I know they have a girlfriend , i don't do it generally to be honest , if I was giving a guy a hug and he got an erection he clearly didn't want I would move away and laugh and be a bit embarressed I wouldn't do it again and again and again and a bloody gain.I would also be sensitive to the fact that in the big brother house guys are not having sex and they may not be able to relieve themselves , there fore making sure I didn't make them ache with a great big bulge in their shorts because that would be cruel .

They way you phrased it in you last post sounded to me a bit insulting towards men, that they're morons who think with their dicks and can't be held accountable for their actions if a pair of boobs come into view.

[kistar]

Men are designed to pro create , they have an innate desire , they don't ask for it just turns up and if they don't deal with it that desire gets bigger literally! and more distracting, so surely as women we need to understand that and not make it worse for them? Let them deal with it however don't shove your boobies in an already horny mans face and then laugh at him when he finds it tricky to handle. Self awareness and aware of yourself in relation to the world.Simple

[Niamh.]

Sadly not... seems many people still think men are just mindless bags of testosterone waiting to be manipulated by the evil women who ruined the world for everyone by eating the apple in the garden of eden :conf:

As for the utter bulls**t about her striking him first, hers was a playful slap, his playful slap was equally fine. It was the choking and pinning her down that crossed the line... massively

And the equally utter bulls**t that she was goading him when he had her pinned, do you people use your eyes and brains at all?? She was scared by then, what was she to do, beg her master for forgiveness. She had only two options at that point, show her weakness by asking him to stop or submitting or front him up and hope he backed off and saw sense.

Sadly it didnt work and he just got worse. When it was stopped by BB she was barely responding anymore and was clearly scared, to the point were she went across the room away from him. Even she said she wasnt sure what happened or why she didnt try to make him look bad at all, if anything she tried to mitigate for him cause she felt bad for her part in it.

Yes she played with fire and got burned, but that doesnt mean the fire should not be put out or stopped. Its fine to have little sympathy for her but it doesnt stop what happened being wrong and totally his fault.

Exactly.

[Niamh.]

Men are designed to pro create , they have an innate desire , they don't ask for it just turns up and if they don't deal with it that desire gets bigger literally! and more distracting, so surely as women we need to understand that and not make it worse for them? Let them deal with it however don't shove your boobies in an already horny mans face and then laugh at him when he finds it tricky to handle. Self awareness and aware of yourself in relation to the world.Simple

Oh please :joker:

[kistar]

They way you phrased it in you last post sounded to me a bit insulting towards men, that they're morons who think with their dicks and can't be held accountable for their actions if a pair of boobs come into view.

Other people on here would like to think my post means I always see things from a mans perceptive so like I said it's all about perception, I have great respect for both genres .

[anne666]

Men are designed to pro create , they have an innate desire , they don't ask for it just turns up and if they don't deal with it that desire gets bigger literally! and more distracting, so surely as women we need to understand that and not make it worse for them? Let them deal with it however don't shove your boobies in an already horny mans face and then laugh at him when he finds it tricky to handle. Self awareness and aware of yourself in relation to the world.Simple

Dear God !!!!!! What kind of men do you know ????

[kefln]

without having your pants pulled down on national tv you mean? and your penis exposed to millions? remember how the twins reacted to this?

Yip, and they were damned on this site for over reacting....

[anne666]

I also dont remember anyone in the history of BB, hitting someone and then grabbing them by the throat, accompanied by verbal abuse, them threatening to nut them, for being exposed in any way.

[kefln]

Men are designed to pro create , they have an innate desire , they don't ask for it just turns up and if they don't deal with it that desire gets bigger literally! and more distracting, so surely as women we need to understand that and not make it worse for them? Let them deal with it however don't shove your boobies in an already horny mans face and then laugh at him when he finds it tricky to handle. Self awareness and aware of yourself in relation to the world.Simple

WALOB

What you are saying is that men should be allowed to cheat, because biology says so. What a ******ing stupid thing to say.

In that case women like to shop because looking your best attracts the best potential mate. And when confronted with two men, the woman should encourage them to fight for the spoils of having sex with her.

What era are we living in?

Men are perfectly cabable of dealing with our hormones and our erections, we've been doing it all our lives. If having a pair of boobs shoved in our faces is enough reason for us to forget our partners, and our kids, then men should never get their haircut by a woman, because we'd have no choice but to cheat afterwards....

[kefln]

I also dont remember anyone in the history of BB, hitting someone and then grabbing them by the throat, accompanied by verbal abuse, them threatening to nut them, for being exposed in any way.

But there have been many examples of women being hated because they were flirty, or because of their chosen career...

[Madlyaddicted]

Emma only meant they were both as bad as each other per the safe house. NOT over the aggression bit. She explained it last night.

[kistar]

If men were in control of their hormones women would be able to walk around in stockings and suspenders with nipple tassels on but we don't because nothing would get done .Hilarious .A friend of mine works in an office where they have just banned girls wearing leggings (under floaty tops or little dresses) because the guys in the office found it too distracting they apparently left nothing to the imagination.So now they have to wear knee length skirts or trousers .

[Niamh.]

If men were in control of their hormones women would be able to walk around in stockings and suspenders with nipple tassels on but we don't because nothing would get done .Hilarious .A friend of mine works in an office where they have just banned girls wearing leggings (under floaty tops or little dresses) because the guys in the office found it too distracting they apparently left nothing to the imagination.So now they have to wear knee length skirts or trousers .

I think you're pulling our leggings Kistar :pipe:

[smudgie]

If men were in control of their hormones women would be able to walk around in stockings and suspenders with nipple tassels on but we don't because nothing would get done .Hilarious .A friend of mine works in an office where they have just banned girls wearing leggings (under floaty tops or little dresses) because the guys in the office found it too distracting they apparently left nothing to the imagination.So now they have to wear knee length skirts or trousers .

:joker::joker: office full of boys by the sound of it, real men are in control of themselves somewhat better.

[Niamh.]

Camel Toe all over the office lol

[kefln]

If men were in control of their hormones women would be able to walk around in stockings and suspenders with nipple tassels on but we don't because nothing would get done .Hilarious .A friend of mine works in an office where they have just banned girls wearing leggings (under floaty tops or little dresses) because the guys in the office found it too distracting they apparently left nothing to the imagination.So now they have to wear knee length skirts or trousers .

If every second woman you passed on the street had their nipples on display, then it would be normal, and not worth mentioning. One woman walking the street like that would draw attention, because of its shock value.

And times are changing fast. Go back a hundred years and men wore mainly suits, or work clothes, while women wore long dresses. Take an average 20 year old woman today, send her back in time, and the parish would shut its doors for shame.


And since no one but your friend knows of this office, and the exact nature of what happened, then its hard for us to comment on what happened exactly. Because we dont have the details. But I can tell you from experience that most offices have dress codes. And i find it very hard to believe that a pair of leggings grinded the office to a halt.

What I can do is speculate. Women tend to be far more critical of what their fellow employees wear. So Id imagine that the complaint, in your friends office case, came from a woman, who was offended. Which lead to stricter dress codes being applied.


And lets not forget an entire advertising campaign that was based around women stopping work, gathering together, drinking diet coke and staring at some topless man out the window.

[kistar]

Camel Toe all over the office lol

:joker: hilarious

[kistar]

It was either no leggings or bromide in the tea urn......

[fingers]

It was either no leggings or bromide in the tea urn......Just castrate them all.