Sam isn't a role model.

[LikeABoatOnWater]

Helen Keller is a role model.
**** off Sam, your time in the house has proved nothing.

[JTM45]

Well said!
If anything Sam will show deaf children how they should not behave!:thumbs:

[karezza]

Everyone is a role model.
You are either a good role model or a bad role model.
Vulgar Sam is a very bad role model.

[Amy Jade]

If a child wanted to be like him what would they aspire to be?

Boring? Sleazy? Forgettable?

[Videostar]

Wolfy said in an interview that during the knife throwing task with Gina Sam said to the lady that was the assistant to the knife thrower "show us your gash for bangers and mash"...but we never saw that in the HL's show edit...Sam is being protected.

[LikeABoatOnWater]

He doesn't even know his abc's.
To think Helen Keller achieved a degree whilst living a life in darkness and silence.

[LikeABoatOnWater]

He doesn't even know his abc's.
To think Helen Keller achieved a degree whilst living a life in darkness and silence.

[Kazanne]

what a desperate thread:wavey::wavey:

[Videostar]

what a desperate thread:wavey::wavey:

These are things your boy has said. :hugesmile:

[brianna_jones]

He doesn't even know his abc's.
To think Helen Keller achieved a degree whilst living a life in darkness and silence.

Plus her loyal companion was a pit bull so she wasn't just brilliant but also pure @ heart!

[GypsyGoth]

I think Sam is a good role model.

He seems like a nice guy and he's being very honest about his deafness on national tv.

[Kris]

what a desperate thread:wavey::wavey:

This for sure.

[Withano]

Are you deaf? Because if you're not you can't make a judgement on this. He's not trying to be your role model.

[Livia]

Helen *******ing Keller? She was deaf/blind and a pioneer back in the days when people who were deaf/blind were locked in a room for their whole life. Where is the connection to Sam? What, isn't he disabled enough for you? I've seen some desperate stuff, the good hard try that people are giving to floating the "sleazy Sam" title... but this thread is just nonsensical.

[LikeABoatOnWater]

Are you deaf? Because if you're not you can't make a judgement on this. He's not trying to be your role model.

My 10 year old cousin is 90% deaf and spits at the tv every time Sam comes on.
She knows hes nothing but a fake, out to exploit his disability and other people with his disability..

[smudgie]

He is a great role model.
He shows that being deaf does not make you stupid, and that ignorant people DO think this.
Dexter is a prime example, he really thought he could twist stuff Sam had said, Sam remembered exactly what he said, yet the fully hearing Dexter supposedly misheard what Sam said.

Sam may win, he might not, either way he has shown himself to be a loyal friend and a very genuine lad, you can't ask for more really.

[MatthewS]

He shows that being deaf does not make you stupid, and that ignorant people DO think this.
Dexter is a prime example, he really thought he could twist stuff Sam had said, Sam remembered exactly what he said, yet the fully hearing Dexter supposedly misheard what Sam said.


Come on man, you're implying that Dexter believes Sam is stupid because he's deaf, and has decided that he's going to exploit that for his advantage.

All of this because Dexter paraphrased Sam's comments as "Don't talk to me because Callums left", instead of "Don't feel you need to talk to me because Callums left", or something like that. They're essentially the same thing, the schematics are just slightly different. You're trying to turn this into Dexter taking advantage of Sam because he's deaf and therefore, Dexter must think he's stupid. That's a GIGANTIC reach...

[smudgie]

Come on man, you're implying that Dexter believes Sam is stupid because he's deaf, and has decided that he's going to exploit that for his advantage.

All of this because Dexter paraphrased Sam's comments as "Don't talk to me because Callums left", instead of "Don't feel you need to talk to me because Callums left", or something like that. They're essentially the same thing, the schematics are just slightly different. You're trying to turn this into Dexter taking advantage of Sam because he's deaf and therefore, Dexter must think he's stupid. That's a GIGANTIC reach...

Nope, that was an example.
Dexter has never tried to have a conversation with Sam hardly in all the time they have been in there. Sam himself has stated how rude he has been to him. Ignoring him etc.
What you say is a slight difference in speech is quite a way off the mark, this taken with the way Dexter actually conveyed it has probably lost him any chance of winning.

[BBUKAUSFAN]

the one impression he will leave on everyone is his cringe line "you make my winky expand" total bore and waste of space....

[aman201]

the one impression he will leave on everyone is his cringe line "you make my winky expand" total bore and waste of space....

And as the winner. :joker:

[MatthewS]

Nope, that was an example.
Dexter has never tried to have a conversation with Sam hardly in all the time they have been in there. Sam himself has stated how rude he has been to him. Ignoring him etc.
What you say is a slight difference in speech is quite a way off the mark, this taken with the way Dexter actually conveyed it has probably lost him any chance of winning.

I'm not sure I'm following...

You said:
He shows that being deaf does not make you stupid, and that ignorant people DO think this.

and then:
Dexter is a prime example

Are you not calling Dexter a prime example of someone who thinks deaf people are stupid? That's how it comes across...

It also seems like Dexter is getting all the heat for him and Sam not getting on. It's a two way street though, do you really think Sam went out of his way to befriend Dexter all this time? I really think this whole thing has been blown way out of proportion. Dexter and Callum had issues. Sam happens to be very tight with Callum, so him and Dexter weren't in a position to have a blossoming friendship. That's just how things played out. I really don't think it has anything to do with Sam being deaf, and that because of his deafness, Dexter thinks he's stupid and not friend material. I don't really care if Dexter wins, I'm not invested in any housemate like that.

[CaudleHalbard]

I think Dexter is a great role model! :)

[JTM45]

I think Dexter is a great role model! :)

Me too!
I think Dexter shows people how they too can be interesting.
The starting point is to not stay in bed all day and to actually make an effort to talk to people about something other than your "winkie", unlike Simple Sam!:laugh:

[Kris]

I think Dexter is a great role model! :)

Oh absolutely, he taught me what rodeoing is! I had never heard of it and probably never would have if I hadn't had a great role model like dexter to teach me. :joker:

[CaudleHalbard]

Oh absolutely, he taught me what rodeoing is! I had never heard of it and probably never would have if I hadn't had a great role model like dexter to teach me. :joker:

Well there you are then! :)

[Kizzy]

Well there you are then! :)

Dexter is an avomination, yes I just invented a word just for him :idc:

[Spoon]

Everyone is a role model.
You are either a good role model or a bad role model.
Sleazy, pervy Sam is a very bad role model.

I agree with this post. He also has a terrible sense of humor and encourages avoiding socializing/problems by sleeping excessively (which can be an indication of depression, it's true, but isn't in and of itself anything to admire, and it's what he's mostly done in the house).

[Verbal]

Helen Keller is a role model.
**** off Sam, your time in the house has proved nothing.

That is so desperate its cringeworthy :joker:

Probably over 90% of BB viewers have never even heard of Hellen Keller. For crying out loud its like comparing Einstein to Howard Wolowitz. Get a grip.

[Withano]

My 10 year old cousin is 90% deaf and spits at the tv every time Sam comes on.
She knows hes nothing but a fake, out to exploit his disability and other people with his disability..

I don't think people who spit at TVs should have a say on what role models are either, they're probably looking up to the wrong people to begin with.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Hes just a regular housemate.

Yes he has hearing problems but I don't see that as a characteristic. He has been boring for weeks and only now is he showing he has a personality and even though ive enjoyed him standing up for himself he is a miserable person.

Sam gets away with shouting "Flash your gash for some pie and mash" at the knive throwers in a task but because its Sam its fine.

I think its patronising to him actually for BB not to tell him off for behaviour other housemates would not get away with.

Sam is a product of his society, a typical Welsh Valleys boys boy (actually hes 24 so mans, man).

If he said he wants to be a role model then yeah hes gone the wrong way about it but he may just mean he want people to see that people with certain disabilities can live normal lives to, which in a way does kind of make him a role model but hes opened himself up to more scrutiny by leading with the deaf card.

My behaviour is a million times worse than Sams so....

Then again I wouldn't go in the house and say im going to be a role model for homos and people with epilepsy because then you're expected to act a certain way.

[Im_Juz_ChiLLin]

Sam is not a role model here is a example of his sleazy side,

Sam To Knives Assistant 'Flash Your G**h For Free Pie & Mash'

Wolfy on BB Couch Potatoes talking about Sam last Wednesday. Apparently Sam shouted to the Female knive assistant during Gina's task
'Flash Your Gash For Free Pie & Mash'

Hear it here around the 61:00 mark.

http://www.spreaker.com/user/drdetroit/bbuk_2013_wolfy

[Videostar]

Probably over 90% of BB viewers have never even heard of Hellen Keller. For crying out loud its like comparing Einstein to Howard Wolowitz. Get a grip.

Then shame on BB viewers, im sure Sam hasn't even heard of her too.

Loving your "A vote for Sam to win is not a sympathy vote; it's a respect vote" sig.

What is a respect vote then? that's saying we should vote for him because we respect him because of his deafness, that's just as bad as a sympathy vote, and equally a wrong reason to vote for a HM...and im sure in real life Sam or those like him wouldn't want you or anyone else patronising him.

[aman201]

Who the fcuk is Helen Keller?

[Lex]

Come on man, you're implying that Dexter believes Sam is stupid because he's deaf, and has decided that he's going to exploit that for his advantage.

All of this because Dexter paraphrased Sam's comments as "Don't talk to me because Callums left", instead of "Don't feel you need to talk to me because Callums left", or something like that. They're essentially the same thing, the schematics are just slightly different. You're trying to turn this into Dexter taking advantage of Sam because he's deaf and therefore, Dexter must think he's stupid. That's a GIGANTIC reach...

I don't agree with any thread that highlights a person's disability in either a negative..or positive way!...it is callousness personified!
Sam is just Sam!...I really do not think that he has in any way "played on his disability"...so in that respect for me...Sam is a good role model!
...Having said that...I have been saying for seven weeks or so..that "I know that Sam is boring, but I wouldn't mind him winning the dosh because he is a nice genuine 'non-gameplaying lad"!....but for the last couple of weeks...he has given me plenty of reason to doubt that initial assessment of him!...and now i've finally gotten the blinkers off and realised that the boy is not so innocent after all...he knows exactly what the score is, and is [and has been all along] playing a very smart and cunning game! :hmph:

oh...and by the way...excellent and correct post Matthew! :thumbs:

[Kizzy]

Sam is not a role model here is a example of his sleazy side,

Sam To Knives Assistant 'Flash Your G**h For Free Pie & Mash'

Wolfy on BB Couch Potatoes talking about Sam last Wednesday. Apparently Sam shouted to the Female knive assistant during Gina's task
'Flash Your Gash For Free Pie & Mash'

Hear it here around the 61:00 mark.

http://www.spreaker.com/user/drdetroit/bbuk_2013_wolfy

So what if he said that? Here we have the perfect example of wolfy getting irate about nothing as usual, there may have been instances where she made people cringe?

[Videostar]

Who the fcuk is Helen Keller?


http://www.biography.com/people/helen-keller-9361967

Someone who really faced difficulties in her life...Sam doesn't know how lucky he is.

[Im_Juz_ChiLLin]

So what if he said that? Here we have the perfect example of wolfy getting irate about nothing as usual, there may have been instances where she made people cringe?

They came in to do their jobs, if someone said that in the real world when they went to do their jobs it would have been classed as sexual harrassment and the person who said it would have been sacked on the spot.... :nono:

[Livia]

LOL @ this thread.

So in conclusion... Sam isn't as worthy a role model and entertaining a housemate as Helen Keller would have been.

[Videostar]

LOL @ this thread.

So in conclusion... Sam isn't as worthy a role model and entertaining a housemate as Helen Keller would have been.

He's not even as worthy a role model as Sophie. :joker:

[daniel-lewis-1985]

http://www.biography.com/people/helen-keller-9361967

Someone who really faced difficulties in her life...Sam doesn't know how lucky he is.

Like I said in a previous post I think he just meant to show the public that even if you have a substantial disability which to be fair he does have then you can still lead a normal life.

Isnt he 80% deaf?

[arista]

My 10 year old cousin is 90% deaf and spits at the tv every time Sam comes on.
She knows hes nothing but a fake, out to exploit his disability and other people with his disability..


Spiffing

[Videostar]

Like I said in a previous post I think he just meant to show the public that even if you have a substantial disability which to be fair he does have then you can still lead a normal life.

Isnt he 80% deaf?

And he has shown that, genuinely good for him....but he should still be judged the same as other HM's and not given a free pass for his behaviour, or lack of entertainment value.

[Livia]

He's not even as worthy a role model as Sophie. :joker:

In your opinion.

Unless you are deaf or suffer hearing loss, I'd say it's not your call as to who is and who isn't a good role model.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

And he has shown that, genuinely good for him....but he should still be judged the same as other HM's and not given a free pass for his behaviour, or lack of entertainment value.

But that's not his fault.

He cant help how people treat him.

If anything I think its patronising towards the boy to treat him any different as im sure that's the last thing he wants.

[Verbal]

Then shame on BB viewers, im sure Sam hasn't even heard of her too.

Loving your "A vote for Sam to win is not a sympathy vote; it's a respect vote" sig.

What is a respect vote then? that's saying we should vote for him because we respect him because of his deafness, that's just as bad as a sympathy vote, and equally a wrong reason to vote for a HM...and im sure in real life Sam or those like him wouldn't want you or anyone else patronising him.

No, I am saying he deserves respect for being able to adapt the way that he has. Give me one reason why I should respect any of the others.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/08/03/article-2384214-1B22BF20000005DC-671_638x471.jpg

[KingOfTheMods]

No, I am saying he deserves respect for being able to adapt the way that he has. Give me one reason why I should respect any of the others.

What has he adapted too exactly? When he's sat at home with his mam n dad he has the same disability so nowt's changed there. So what has he adapted to in a way none of the others have?

[smudgie]

But that's not his fault.

He cant help how people treat him.

If anything I think its patronising towards the boy to treat him any different as that's the last thing he wants.

Exactly.

[MatthewS]

I'm sure Sam knows who Helen Keller is...

I think most people are aware of her tbh...