In his defence [Convo with Luisa about gays]

[Benjamin]

He wasn't rude or hateful about it. It was an opinion he was sharing with Luisa because she asked.

[Chuck]

You would have that opinion if you didn't want Luisa to stay so bad? :tongue:

[Me. I Am Salman]

What happened I couldn't watch

[Chuck]

He said gays aren't normal

[Doogle]

It's his view. It's wrong but he should at least be entitled to say that.

[Tregard]

True, has anyone ever received a warning for something like that before? I could've sworn Ahmed in BB5 held a similar opinion, but never got a warning for it.

(What he believes is completely false though)

[Kazanne]

Why is it wrong to tell someone your opinion,if that's what you believe,he wasn't aggressive about it,just stated what HE thought

[Benjamin]

You would have that opinion if you didn't want Luisa to stay so bad? :tongue:

I;d still have that opinion. He didn't go out of his way to be hateful about gays, he merely spoke about something that Luisa asked.

[Josy]

It's his view. It's wrong but he should at least be entitled to say that.

Agree with this.

[Samm]

I have still gone off him tbh but I don't hate hate him

[Amy Jade]

I disagree with his view but it's just that, his view which he is entitled to.

[LaLaLand]

I don't necessarily think that opinions warrant a warning. He's very firm in his beliefs and something like this should have been pre-empted by execs. Sure inform him that's it isn't appropriate but formal warnings? No.

It's a shame that he thinks that way I guess but it doesn't make him any less of a person in my eyes. I still like him.

Jim has said much, much worse about homosexuals in his career and has been laughed off. No biggie.

[ThisIsNickkk]

Channel 5/Endemol are just trying to cover their backs with the warning.

Homosexuality/Racism is something that is a very touchy subject for a lot of people, and whether people like it or not, we all have opinions.

Although I, personally, think that Evander's opinion is completely wrong, I'm mature enough to understand that some people have those opinions and I would like to hope that the people that also watch CBB/BB are also mature enough to let those comments go over their heads.

He was having a 'private' conversation with Luisa and he wasn't being offensive to anyone in the house. To me, that's just his opinion at the end of the day and shouldn't he be allowed it?

[M X]

Trust me, I understand you guys who are saying "Why should he be warned? All he was saying is what he believes in, he wasn't aggressive about it." However, would you say the same thing if a white housemate sat there and said "I don't think it's normal to be black. I think they should try and change their race and bleach their skin because their race is a birth defect, like some form of handicap." If the person was completely unaggressive about it, would this be okay and not warrant a warning or removal from the house?

There isn't any difference between homophobia and racism and religion should not be used as an excuse to be able to broadcast that opinion on television. It's like saying that there's nothing wrong with radical extreme muslims voicing their views about terrorism.

[ThisIsNickkk]

Trust me, I understand you guys who are saying "Why should he be warned? All he was saying is what he believes in, he wasn't aggressive about it." However, would you say the same thing if a white housemate sat there and said "I don't think it's normal to be black. I think they should try and change their race and bleach their skin because it's their race is a birth defect, like some form of handicap." If the person was completely unaggressive about it, would this be okay and not warrant a warning or removal from the house?

There isn't any difference between homophobia and racism and religion should not be used as an excuse to be able to broadcast that opinion on television. It's like saying that there's nothing wrong with radical extreme muslims voicing their views about terrorism.

This is why it's such a touchy subject and this is exactly why Channel 5 and Endemol are just trying to cover their backs with the warning.

They can't be seen to be punishing one person for one thing, then if something about race pops up, they may not punish it - just as an example. Therefore, anything that may be seen as a touchy subject and something that the ofcom lot would complain about, they pounce on it and warn just to be on the safe side.

[Scream]

tbh it's just a warning...his behaviour was borderline homophobic so they warned him to stop...

[Braden]

Trust me, I understand you guys who are saying "Why should he be warned? All he was saying is what he believes in, he wasn't aggressive about it." However, would you say the same thing if a white housemate sat there and said "I don't think it's normal to be black. I think they should try and change their race and bleach their skin because their race is a birth defect, like some form of handicap." If the person was completely unaggressive about it, would this be okay and not warrant a warning or removal from the house?

There isn't any difference between homophobia and racism and religion should not be used as an excuse to be able to broadcast that opinion on television. It's like saying that there's nothing wrong with radical extreme muslims voicing their views about terrorism.

I agree with this 100%

In my opinion it doesn't matter how calmly or aggressive he said it. It's still hate speech in my eyes, and of course he's entitled to have his own opinion but I don't understand how people can say they disagree with it but feel that it wasn't as bad just because he said in a soft tone.

[LaLaLand]

Very true ThisIsNickkk, it's precautionary measures so that if there was to be a public outrage then they've at least taken the steps necessary and correctly dealt with the situation at hand.

[Benjamin]

Trust me, I understand you guys who are saying "Why should he be warned? All he was saying is what he believes in, he wasn't aggressive about it." However, would you say the same thing if a white housemate sat there and said "I don't think it's normal to be black. I think they should try and change their race and bleach their skin because their race is a birth defect, like some form of handicap." If the person was completely unaggressive about it, would this be okay and not warrant a warning or removal from the house?

There isn't any difference between homophobia and racism and religion should not be used as an excuse to be able to broadcast that opinion on television. It's like saying that there's nothing wrong with radical extreme muslims voicing their views about terrorism.

You cannot compare race and sexuality, both very different subjects that always seem to get bundled together when they are nothing alike.

[Apple202]

no he shouldn't be entitled to an opinion which is blatantly ignorant

[Jordan.]

Is 'that's just his opinion' really an excuse? in that case we can all do and say anything we want.

[M X]

This is why it's such a touchy subject and this is exactly why Channel 5 and Endemol are just trying to cover their backs with the warning.

They can't be seen to be punishing one person for one thing, then if something about race pops up, they may not punish it - just as an example. Therefore, anything that may be seen as a touchy subject and something that the ofcom lot would complain about, they pounce on it and warn just to be on the safe side.

But to me the warning was so pointless. If that comment had been race related I believe he would have been removed. (Well, if he was white anyway.)

But homophobia is still accepted. That was no punishment. They didn't even tell Evander that it was a formal warning and that if he repeated the behaviour he could be removed. It was just a quick slap on the wrist.

[Black Dagger]

All the gays I follow are going mad over it, and I'm just there like I don't really care. I don't agree with it, but many people share his view.

(and I'm desperate for Luisa to stay)

[Seanbon]

Very similar to when Mark Lamaar asked Shabba Ranks about a clip on gay rappers in Jamaica,and because Shabba quoted the Bible to profess his beliefs,again not in an aggressive way,Lamaar went to town on him,and effectively finished his career in the UK. Too much pressure to be PC these days,different people will have different opinions?!? I don't agree with either Evander or Shabba,but freedom of speech extends to those who have differing opinions!?!

[Benjamin]

Look I am gay myself and I am mature enough to know that people have different opinions and have had different upbringings from different generations.

[M X]

tbh it's just a warning...his behaviour was borderline homophobic so they warned him to stop...

i'm failing to see how equalling being gay to being handicapped is just 'boderline' homophobia :joker:

[Benjamin]

Oh god all the little delicate queens and princesses are off on one on social media.

[Cherie]

Trust me, I understand you guys who are saying "Why should he be warned? All he was saying is what he believes in, he wasn't aggressive about it." However, would you say the same thing if a white housemate sat there and said "I don't think it's normal to be black. I think they should try and change their race and bleach their skin because their race is a birth defect, like some form of handicap." If the person was completely unaggressive about it, would this be okay and not warrant a warning or removal from the house?

There isn't any difference between homophobia and racism and religion should not be used as an excuse to be able to broadcast that opinion on television. It's like saying that there's nothing wrong with radical extreme muslims voicing their views about terrorism.


Yeah I agree if Jim said this he would be castigated and in fairness this is what I expect from Jim

[ThisIsNickkk]

Look I am gay myself and I am mature enough to know that people have different opinions and have had different upbringings.

Perfectly put. Sometimes, you just have to tolerate other people's opinions and be mature enough to let it go over your head.

I think his opinion is very, very wrong, but I guess you just have to understand that that is his opinion and he's entitled to have it, no matter how wrong it may be.

[Legend killer]

Luisa should not have asked the question should have been here receiving the warning

This ain't no Z-Lister like Dappy we talking about an A + lister , top 10 GOAT boxer here Evander should have got up and gave the camera a right hook for having the nerve to call him out

[M X]

Look I am gay myself and I am mature enough to know that people have different opinions and have had different upbringings from different generations.

Oh please :joker: Yeah let's just embrace Westboro Baptist Church. What a joy to have people from all different backgrounds express their discriminatory beliefs.

[lime]

Whilst I don't agree with his religous beliefs...they are his religous beliefs so i don't think he should have got a warning.These beliefs however outdated they are to me are held by people from all races so I don't get how people are comparing his beliefs to racism.

[Benjamin]

Oh please :joker: Yeah let's just embrace Westboro Baptist Church. What a joy to have people from all different backgrounds express their discriminatory beliefs.

No it's called being realistic. If he had gone out of his way to rant about how he hates gays and they should be burned then fine. But a private convo that had the question asked to him is not in the same league. But by all means, carry on crying homophobia at every little thing. You'll grow up one day.

[chuff me dizzy]

He wasn't rude or hateful about it. It was an opinion he was sharing with Luisa because she asked.

TOTALLY agree, and no matter what, he has a right to his opinion ,this is what truly pees me off, telling others what they can or cannot think or say ...who has the right to that ?No one IMO

[sampvt]

Lots of people have personal views about sexuality, race and a host of issues, that's not illegal or immoral but talking about it is. CH5 are just being politically correct to cover their asses.

[Apple202]

Look I am gay myself and I am mature enough to know that people have different opinions and have had different upbringings from different generations.

do you not realise how stupid this sentence is

[chuff me dizzy]

No it's called being realistic. If he had gone out of his way to rant about how he hates gays and they should be burned then fine. But a private convo that had the question asked to him is not in the same league. But by all means, carry on crying homophobia at every little thing. You'll grow up one day.
:worship::worship:

[M X]

Whilst I don't agree with his religous beliefs...they are his religous beliefs so i don't think he should have got a warning.These beliefs however outdated they are to me are held by people from all races so I don't get how people are comparing his beliefs to racism.

You've missed the point. I wasn't saying that the beliefs are only held by one race. I was saying that homophobia is the same as racism. There is no difference. You are discriminating against someone based on something they didn't chose. Religion or not, it is discrimination.

And don't give me the whole 'freedom of speech' thing. I'm not saying that Evander shouldn't be able to express his beliefs, but I don't believe that he should have expressed them on television. That isn't a freedom of speech situation, that is a situation in which he has violated his contract which clearly states that such things cannot be said on air and what he is being paid for. Very similar situation to what happened with the Duck Dynasty guy recently.

[Cherie]

I await the reaction to Jim's opinion on gays lol

[Benjamin]

do you not realise how stupid this sentence is

When you grow up and learn more about the world then tell me that sentence is stupid.

[Chuck]

Lots of people have personal views about sexuality, race and a host of issues, that's not illegal or immoral but talking about it is. CH5 are just being politically correct to cover their asses.

There is no such thing as "personal view" about race. There is being racist or not. Same with sexuality.

[MeMyselfAndI]

Gone off him, shame Luisa will be evicted due too his ignorant views

[chuff me dizzy]

There is no such thing as "personal view" about race. There is being racist or not. Same with sexuality.

WRONG

[Jordan.]

lmao at it being okay for Evander to have his opinion but anyone disagreeing with it isn't allowed to have theirs.

[Seanbon]

No it's called being realistic. If he had gone out of his way to rant about how he hates gays and they should be burned then fine. But a private convo that had the question asked to him is not in the same league. But by all means, carry on crying homophobia at every little thing. You'll grow up one day.

:thumbs::thumbs:Some people just look for offence as a hobby! And who gets to appoint the "Thought Police"??:conf:

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

Trust me, I understand you guys who are saying "Why should he be warned? All he was saying is what he believes in, he wasn't aggressive about it." However, would you say the same thing if a white housemate sat there and said "I don't think it's normal to be black. I think they should try and change their race and bleach their skin because their race is a birth defect, like some form of handicap." If the person was completely unaggressive about it, would this be okay and not warrant a warning or removal from the house?

There isn't any difference between homophobia and racism and religion should not be used as an excuse to be able to broadcast that opinion on television. It's like saying that there's nothing wrong with radical extreme muslims voicing their views about terrorism.
100% agree with you, I think he should have been evicted for that .... I just hope the public evicted him now, as you say if he had made a racist comment he would have been asked to leave, in my eyes there no different being homophobic & racism, there as bad as each other.

[MeMyselfAndI]

When you grow up and learn more about the world then tell me that sentence is stupid.

I hate replies like this

[Apple202]

When you grow up and learn more about the world then tell me that sentence is stupid.

I love how your only response to everyone who disagrees with you is "grow up" - I think you should probably take your own advice there, you're nowhere near as clever as you think you are

[M X]

No it's called being realistic. If he had gone out of his way to rant about how he hates gays and they should be burned then fine. But a private convo that had the question asked to him is not in the same league. But by all means, carry on crying homophobia at every little thing. You'll grow up one day.

Wow, why are you being rude? Can't you have a discussion without resorting to it? :laugh: It's not called being realistic at all. It's called tolerating discrimination because on some level you don't see a problem with it. And before you use, "I'm gay myself" as some sort of comeback, please don't because it's irrelevant in the case when you are supporting homophobia.

How am I "crying homophobia"? It's not as if he just said "Oh, I don't really think that being gay is okay" - he said that being gay is wrong, unnatural, a mistake, and a disability. How exactly is this not homophobia? :laugh:

[Apple202]

Ben being rightfully dragged http://a.mod-site.net/s/appl.gif

[chuff me dizzy]

:thumbs::thumbs:Some people just look for offence as a hobby! And who gets to appoint the "Thought Police"??:conf:

:worship: Bunch of saddos

[Cherie]

Ben if Jim had voiced this opinion would you uphold his right to voice it?

[M X]

I love how your only response to everyone who disagrees with you is "grow up" - I think you should probably take your own advice there, you're nowhere near as clever as you think you are

Exactly right.

[FacelessME]

Ooooh if a black guy gives his opinions on gays, people make ridiculous comparisons with racism and homophobia. Typical.

[chuff me dizzy]

Ben being rightfully dragged http://a.mod-site.net/s/appl.gif

By who ?

[Benjamin]

lmao at it being okay for Evander to have his opinion but anyone disagreeing with it isn't allowed to have theirs.

Nobody has said you can;t have your opinion.

[MeMyselfAndI]

Wow, why are you being rude? Can't you have a discussion without resorting to it? :laugh: It's not called being realistic at all. It's called tolerating discrimination because on some level you don't see a problem with it. And before you use, "I'm gay myself" as some sort of comeback, please don't because it's irrelevant in the case when you are supporting homophobia.

How am I "crying homophobia"? It's not as if he just said "Oh, I don't really think that being gay is okay" - he said that being gay is wrong, unnatural, a mistake, and a disability. How exactly is this not homophobia? :laugh:

http://a.mod-site.net/s/appl.gif

[Doogle]

Look I am gay myself and I am mature enough to know that people have different opinions and have had different upbringings from different generations.

:worship:

You can't MAKE someone think otherwise, it doesn't happen. In an ideal world we are all okay with it but it doesn't happen and sometimes you have to respect that.

[Apple202]

Nobody has said you can;t have your opinion.

You've told everyone who disagrees with you to grow up... now what could that suggest?

[M X]

There is no such thing as "personal view" about race. There is being racist or not. Same with sexuality.

This.

[Scream]

If Liz had said this the people saying it's just his belief would be saying completely different things, I'm sure.

[JTM45]

Channel 5 are probably ecstatic that he said it because of the attention it will bring the show but the warning is clearly just them being seen to disapprove to cover themselves.

His opinion is wrong and offensive and just shows him to be an extremely stupid probably religious American but at the end of the day it's his opinion and it's his right to have it.:shrug:

[chuff me dizzy]

You've told everyone who disagrees with you to grow up... now what could that suggest?

That hes telling the truth ?

[Samm]

I'm hope Luisa does not go :(

[Benjamin]

Ben if Jim had voiced this opinion would you uphold his right to voice it?

Had he been asked in the manner Evander was then yes. But I believe Jim has been very outspoken about his views in the past, that is the difference, Evander hasn't, he was asked and responded. That was all. He has not gone out of his way to show he actively hates homosexuality as far as I know.

[M X]

Nobody has said you can;t have your opinion.

But the fact that you all you have done is tell everyone to "grow up" and "deal with it" just proves the point entirely. Opinions such as your own and Evanders are built from ignorance. There's nothing of any substance and that shows in the fact that you have nothing to write back that will help make your point at all.

[Jack_]

He's perfectly entitled to his opinion (even though it's disgusting and indisputably wrong), but to air it on a national TV show in the UK which is certainly more tolerant than the US when it comes to gay rights is just moronic. Luisa told him to shut up and for his sake he should have listened. If you're going to talk like that on a television show then yes of course you're going to be spoken to. And if I remember the conversation correctly they didn't actually issue him a formal warning, just merely reminded him that what he was saying is potentially offensive to viewers. Correct me if I'm wrong on that though.

This is what religious delusion does to people though, it's sad

[sampvt]

OMG enter the morality police. There will be tears before bedtime.

[Jordan.]

Nobody has said you can;t have your opinion.

Anyone who's disagreed with it in this thread have been shouted down and labelled 'delicate queens and princesses' by yourself

[chuff me dizzy]

Channel 5 are probably ecstatic that he said it because of the attention it will bring the show but the warning is clearly just them being seen to disapprove to cover themselves.

His opinion is wrong and offensive and just shows him to be an extremely stupid probably religious American but at the end of the day it's his opinion and it's his right to have it.:shrug:

No ,why is his opinion wrong ? because its not the same as yours? how arrogant ?

[erinp5]

He is allowed a religious view. What was offensive was saying 'they' can be fixed.

[Benjamin]

You've told everyone who disagrees with you to grow up... now what could that suggest?

I mean as in actually grow up/get older. I was a lot like this when I was younger and the more I learn about people and the world the more I can understand things.

[chuff me dizzy]

OMG enter the morality police. There will be tears before bedtime.

PATHETIC ,mob culture

[M X]

Also, I think everyone's forgetting that Luisa herself is bisexual so it's also worth wondering whether or not he knew this. Then it's a whole other matter in itself that Channel 5 have probably chose to edit out to save themselves.

[Braden]

Some gay people are just so scared that they fit the typical stereotype of being a 'queen', 'queer', 'fag', etc. that they feel the need to 'defend' homophobic actions.

It's quite upsetting really.

[Seanbon]

That hes telling the truth ?

:worship::worship:

[Benjamin]

Just to clarify I don't like his opinion, but I'm not going to hate him for expressing something he was asked.

[Shaun]

Anyone who's disagreed with it in this thread have been shouted down and labelled 'delicate queens and princesses' by yourself

pretty sure he said that about certain Twitter users...

[Benjamin]

Some gay people are just so scared that they fit the typical stereotype of being a 'queen', 'queer', 'fag', etc. that they feel the need to 'defend' homophobic actions.

It's quite upsetting really.

Yes, I fully support homophobic actions.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Did he really say that? That's defo out of line and offensive though :shrug:

[sampvt]

He's perfectly entitled to his opinion (even though it's disgusting and indisputably wrong), but to air it on a national TV show in the UK which is certainly more tolerant than the US when it comes to gay rights is just moronic. Luisa told him to shut up and for his sake he should have listened. If you're going to talk like that on a television show then yes of course you're going to be spoken to. And if I remember the conversation correctly they didn't actually issue him a formal warning, just merely reminded him that what he was saying is potentially offensive to viewers. Correct me if I'm wrong on that though.

This is what religious delusion does to people though, it's sad

What gives you the right to soap box gay rights (in a totally rubbish and biased manner) and end it all by calling religious beliefs delusional. Jack, you need to proof read before you post son.

[Jordan.]

pretty sure he said that about certain Twitter users...

it's the same views that are on here so i'm sure the same applies...

[M X]

Just to clarify I don't like his opinion, but I'm not going to hate him for expressing something he was asked.

What if the question had been - "Evander, do you agree that The Holocaust was brilliant?" and he replied "Yes." would that have been okay because he was just expressing his opinion over something he was asked?

The whole 'its his personal view' argument is so flawed. :laugh:

[erinp5]

Just to clarify I don't like his opinion, but I'm not going to hate him for expressing something he was asked.

I am sure Luisa would have been aware of his Christian views. If he goes then I do hope it's in the pairs they went in and he takes her with him.

[Benjamin]

Anyone who's disagreed with it in this thread have been shouted down and labelled 'delicate queens and princesses' by yourself

Learn to read Jordan, I said on social media.

[JTM45]

No ,why is his opinion wrong ? because its not the same as yours? how arrogant ?

No........because it IS WRONG!!!!!
Someone being gay is the same as you being straight. It's the way you were born, the way your chromosomes developed. It's not a disease or an abnormality that can be cured or treated and if you can't see that then it just reflects your level of intelligence. It's really simple to understand!:shrug:

[Braden]

Just to clarify I don't like his opinion, but I'm not going to hate him for expressing something he was asked.

I don't think anybody HATES him Ben. Evander had quite a big fan base in comparison to others so it's more the shock of him saying what he said which has brought this type of response.

The public can be fickle anyway as this can be argued all night. But on the other hand Evander may do something tomorrow that will completely change our opinion's on him.

[joeysteele]

I may surprise some here as I do believe people have the right generally to say what they believe as long as they don't stir up trouble for others.

However, I did find his comparison with being gay with someone born handicapped and that over time that can be helped to be 'cured' in in some way as a totally unacceptable thing to say under any circumstances.
That would have been totally ridiculous were he to have got away with making a comparison like that.

Also, this is the big brother house and in fact no housemates ever get to have such a thing as a 'private' conversation while in there,the programme is watched by the BB staff and the viewers so all the more need for care as to what they say.

He wasn't offensive as in strongly stating his view but he was way out as to even being remotely right as to anything he said concerning the subject,(in my opinion he was anyway).

[M X]

What because I don't agree with you makes me ignorant? Well that is tough then.

No...

What makes you ignorant is the fact that you deem yourself to be so grown-up and wise but all you do is tell others to 'grow up' and you stand up for homophobic views, which are of course ignorant.

[Jordan.]

Learn to read Jordan, I said on social media.

um no, If you're moaning about people on twitter complaining surely you think the same for people on here with the same opinion.

[chuff me dizzy]

No........because it IS WRONG!!!!!
Someone being gay is the same as you being straight. It's the way you were born, the way your chromosomes developed. It's not a disease or an abnormality that can be cured or treated and if you can't see that then it just reflects your level of intelligence. It's really simple to understand!:shrug:

Whos to say it wrong YOU ?

[Braden]

Yes, I fully support homophobic actions.

I never said you did Ben, I know for a fact you wouldn't.

I was only quoting the title of the thread.

[MeMyselfAndI]

Evander is homophobic, he didn't just have views, he went on too insult gay people

[Doogle]

I think everyone's doing a bit much on Ben. Nowhere has he been homophobic or said he liked or agreed with Evander's views.

It's not a good view to have but really someone like him is unlikely to ever change their mind so it's not worth making a big fuss about.

[joeysteele]

No........because it IS WRONG!!!!!
Someone being gay is the same as you being straight. It's the way you were born, the way your chromosomes developed. It's not a disease or an abnormality that can be cured or treated and if you can't see that then it just reflects your level of intelligence. It's really simple to understand!:shrug:

I totally agree with all that,well said.

[JTM45]

Who says it wrong YOU ?

No........Science, genetics, biology and common sense.

[Jack_]

Whos to say it wrong YOU ?

Yes, because it is wrong and if you disagree then you are wrong too. Sorry about that.

But then maybe asking for an opinion on homosexuality from someone who frequently expresses racist and xenophobic views on this forum isn't the best idea...

[Seanbon]

What if the question had been - "Evander, do you agree that The Holocaust was brilliant?" and he replied "Yes." would that have been okay because he was just expressing his opinion over something he was asked?

The whole 'its his personal view' argument is so flawed. :laugh:

Now what are the odds that someone would ask that question??:joker:

[Benjamin]

What if the question had been - "Evander, do you agree that The Holocaust was brilliant?" and he replied "Yes." would that have been okay because he was just expressing his opinion over something he was asked?

The whole 'its his personal view' argument is so flawed. :laugh:

No what is flawed is that people need to realise the context of his comments. If he had actively got up and started saying that to people then yes that would be a reason to get annoyed etc, but he didn't he had a one on one conversation with Luisa who prompted the discussion.

[chuff me dizzy]

No........Science, genetics, biology and common sense.

Jesus wept :rolleyes:

[Headie]

LOL they're basically saying "if your opinion isn't the general consensus, then shut it."

Sad times.

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

Another thing I forgot say that I found about the conversation aswell he used the word handicapped, which as a disabled I find extremely offensive, I so hope hes evicted ASAP

[M X]

No ,why is his opinion wrong ? because its not the same as yours? how arrogant ?
Maybe his opinion is wrong because he called being gay a "choice" despite the fact that it's scientifically proven that being gay is the result of the amount of hormones that you are exposed to while in the womb and there is no choice factor about it. So technically, yes his opinion is factually wrong. As well as morally, but I guess you can have your little opinion on that.

[the truth]

I think the official warning was wrong. plain and simple. its a disgrace he couldnt offer his own opinion on the subject.

[Me. I Am Salman]

He equated being gay to being handicapped I have no time for anyone who believes you can be entitled to say that

[Jack_]

Jesus wept :rolleyes:

LOL!!!!!!!! Oh how ironic given the context of this discussion and the post you quoted

[the truth]

Maybe his opinion is wrong because he called being gay a "choice" despite the fact that it's scientifically proven that being gay is the result of the amount of hormones that you are exposed to while in the womb and there is no choice factor about it. So technically, yes his opinion is factually wrong. As well as morally, but I guess you can have your little opinion on that.

should you be warned for having a diifferent opinion? its just an opinion?

[sampvt]

Yes, because it is wrong and if you disagree then you are wrong too. Sorry about that.

But then maybe asking for an opinion on homosexuality from someone who frequently expresses racist and xenophobic views on this forum isn't the best idea...

If Chuff was those things she wouldn't be here. Stop casting aspersions of doubt on other posters.

[the truth]

He said gay people are the same as being handicapped I have no time for anyone who believes you can be entitled to say that

he didnt say that at all, your lying

[Cherie]

Another thing I forgot say that I found about the conversation aswell he used the word handicapped, which as a disabled I find extremely offensive, I so hope hes evicted ASAP

Yeah I hate that word but I think they might still use it in america

[JTM45]

Jesus wept :rolleyes:

He didn't because he doesn't exist. That just my opinion but everything points to it being correct! :thumbs:

[Benjamin]

No...

What makes you ignorant is the fact that you deem yourself to be so grown-up and wise but all you do is tell others to 'grow up' and you stand up for homophobic views, which are of course ignorant.

You have no idea what I do for homophobia off this forum, but I can assure you I am far from ignorant on the matter.

[chuff me dizzy]

I think the official warning was wrong. plain and simple. its a disgrace he couldnt offer his own opinion on the subject.

:worship::worship: Its the arrogance of others who think their opinion is the only one that counts that turns my stomach

[Macie Lightfoot]

<haven't seen the episode yet but lol @ some people defending homophobia>

[joeysteele]

He equated being gay to being handicapped I have no time for anyone who believes you can be entitled to say that

That is definitely one of the lines he crossed Salman and the warning was fully justified in my view.

[chuff me dizzy]

He didn't because he doesn't exist. That just my opinion but everything points to it being correct! :thumbs:

For once I agree with you :joker:

[Jack_]

If Chuff was those things she wouldn't be here. Stop casting aspersions of doubt on other posters.

Um yes she would because as you and others are championing in this thread (and I don't necessarily disagree), 'everyone is entitled to their opinion'

And seeing as most of those opinions regard housemates (which is actually somewhat a free-for-all if you read the rules) then she can get away with it

[chuff me dizzy]

<haven't seen the episode yet but lol @ some people defending homophobia>

Watch it before commenting please

[sampvt]

I don't really need too, everyone knows you're a racist, homophobic & misogynist, just by reading your everyday posts

This was posted as a direct insult to me, why cant it be answered, or does Memyselandi have special powers and favours.

[Chuck]

If Chuff was those things she wouldn't be here. Stop casting aspersions of doubt on other posters.

Nobody understands why she is still here tbh.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Watch it before commenting please

Oh I've certainly read enough thx

[Jack_]

Can someone clarify, did he actually get a formal warning? I don't remember them saying that, they merely reminded him of the rules and potentially offending viewers

[M X]

You have no idea what I do for homophobia off this forum, but I can assure you I am far from ignorant on the matter.

:joker::joker::joker: Ahh right, I guess you support them all except the 'delicate queens and princesses'.

It's sort of ironic that according to you it's the gay guys who speak out against homophobia that are the wrong ones.

If you do so much for homophobia off this forum - how come just a few pages back you said that you no longer care about homophobia and that it's pointless trying to change peoples minds on the matter?

You do nothing for homophobia except contribute to it.

[M X]

Can someone clarify, did he actually get a formal warning? I don't remember them saying that, they merely reminded him of the rules and potentially offending viewers

I don't believe he did. Which is disgusting.

[Jordan.]

I think the official warning was wrong. plain and simple. its a disgrace he couldnt offer his own opinion on the subject.

An opinion on something he doesn't know about therefore making it ignorant and offensive :shrug:

[JTM45]

Can someone clarify, did he actually get a formal warning? I don't remember them saying that, they merely reminded him of the rules and potentially offending viewers

I thought he received a warning but you've got me wondering if he actually did now. I think he did :conf:

[joeysteele]

he didnt say that at all, your lying

He just about did actually, he was indicating that if someone was born handicapped things could be done to help partly cure them over time,by that, then indicating that his view is that those who are gay, could likely be cured over time if they wanted to be.
That's where even I got really peeved at him.

[sampvt]

Nobody understands why she is still here tbh.

You all need people like me and Chuff on here to keep the whippersnappers in line. Also who else could you insult and live to tell the tale.

[chuff me dizzy]

If Chuff was those things she wouldn't be here. Stop casting aspersions of doubt on other posters.

Samptv just blank it i do

[M X]

should you be warned for having a diifferent opinion? its just an opinion?

my point has obviously gone over your head

[Me. I Am Salman]

I don't really need too, everyone knows you're a racist, homophobic & misogynist, just by reading your everyday posts

This was posted as a direct insult to me, why cant it be answered, or does Memyselandi have special powers and favours.

How are you not? You told someone to remove their sig because it was two women kissing. Everyone on this forum knows you and chuff have disgusting bigoted views and you need to accept that

[sampvt]

Slow down peeps I cant post quick enough, lol.

[chuff me dizzy]

should you be warned for having a diifferent opinion? its just an opinion?

:thumbs:

[Jack_]

Salman :worship: MichaelSpears <3

[sampvt]

How are you not? You told someone to remove their sig because it was two women kissing. Everyone on this forum knows you and chuff have disgusting bigoted views and you need to accept that

Since when was being straight and opinionated disgusting.

[Vicky.]

I don't really need too, everyone knows you're a racist, homophobic & misogynist, just by reading your everyday posts

This was posted as a direct insult to me, why cant it be answered, or does Memyselandi have special powers and favours.

Eh? The post was deleted because it was an insult. How on earth does that equate to mmi getting favours?!

[Sophiee]

I think he should have received a simple formal warning for it. while it may be 'his opinion' if it were racist then he would haven't gotten away with it so I fail to see why this should be any different.

[erinp5]

I found this guy much more offensive(Dave the monk) and he made the final
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBkgdKiSzx0
Evander has a right to his religious beliefs, what as offensive was his 'fix them' remark and he was rightly reprimanded for it .

[Jack_]

I really don't think they gave him a formal warning so those pissing their pants that he got one need to calm down

[Benjamin]

If you do so much for homophobia off this forum - how come just a few pages back you said that you no longer care about homophobia and that it's pointless trying to change peoples minds on the matter?

You do nothing for homophobia except contribute to it.

Not once did I say that. Please at least if you are going to criticise me and the things I have said make sure you have read what I have written.

You know what makes homophobia worse, crying wolf. Too many cases of that and people don;t take actual homophobia seriously.

[sampvt]

Eh? The post was deleted because it was an insult. How on earth does that equate to mmi getting favours?!

It wasn't deleted when I tried to answer it. The link just went dead but thanks for removing it anyway.

[MeMyselfAndI]

I lost my naomily sig, can someone post it in this thread so I can add it too my sig

[thesheriff443]

i found his opinion to be very narrow minded.

[chuff me dizzy]

I found this guy much more offensive(Dave the monk) and he made the final
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBkgdKiSzx0
Evander has a right to his religious beliefs, what as offensive was his 'fix them' remark and he was rightly reprimanded for it .

Dave the monk !! what a monster that one was

[Vicky.]

It wasn't deleted when I tried to answer it. The link just went dead but thanks for removing it anyway.

Probably got deleted while you were trying to quote it in that case :p

[Benjamin]

i found his opinion to be very narrow minded.

This I agree with.

[sampvt]

Im getting out of this thread, too many naughties and I am a good boy. (cant afford anymore infractions, lol)

[M X]

Not once did I say that. Please at least if you are going to criticise me and the things I have said make sure you have read what I have written.

You know what makes homophobia worse, crying wolf. Too many cases of that and people don;t take actual homophobia seriously.

Please elaborate on how calling being gay wrong, unnatural, a choice, and handicapped is not real homophobia and this is all just a case of "crying wolf".

[JTM45]

I lost my naomily sig, can someone post it in this thread so I can add it too my sig

I have a few nice naomily gif's but not the one you had up.

Salman to the rescue!!!
I'm gonna' add that one to my collection. Naomi and Emily are right up there with Cook and JJ as my favourite Skins characters ever!:thumbs:
I reckon they should have given Naomily their own spin-off series. They were much too good characters to just disappear.:(

[the truth]

He just about did actually, he was indicating that if someone was born handicapped things could be done to help partly cure them over time,by that, then indicating that his view is that those who are gay, could likely be cured over time if they wanted to be.
That's where even I got really peeved at him.

he has a right to that view. those who choose to be offended need to grow up. just as some people think religion is codswallop theyre entitled to that opinion too. it was just a discussion. maybe he will change his opinion in time. but to ban the conversation is stalinist censorship and achieves absolutely nothing

[the truth]

Please elaborate on how calling being gay wrong, unnatural, a choice, and handicapped is not real homophobia and this is all just a case of "crying wolf".

he didnt calll them handicapped your lying again

[M X]

No what is flawed is that people need to realise the context of his comments. If he had actively got up and started saying that to people then yes that would be a reason to get annoyed etc, but he didn't he had a one on one conversation with Luisa who prompted the discussion.

Oh don't be so ridiculous.

He's in the Big Brother house, not MI5 headquarters.

There's nowhere private, his conversation was not private or 1 on 1. He is fully aware that there are millions of viewers watching him but yet he still chose to showcase his potentially offensive and ignorant opinions.

[MeMyselfAndI]

omg ty Salman, It's perfect

[Benjamin]

Please elaborate on how calling being gay wrong, unnatural, a choice, and handicapped is not real homophobia and this is all just a case of "crying wolf".

I'd like you first to answer my question that I just asked you rather than conveniently ignore it .

[M X]

he didnt calll them handicapped your lying again

he said it was the same thing as being handicapped...

go back and watch it :thumbs:

[Vicky.]

Stop quoting that. Theres too many of them now

[the truth]

Oh don't be so ridiculous.

He's in the Big Brother house, not MI5 headquarters.

There's nowhere private, his conversation was not private or 1 on 1. He is fully aware that there are millions of viewers watching him but yet he still chose to showcase his potentially offensive and ignorant opinions.

just the same you display your anti rleigious ignorance. everyone has a right to opinions. if he gets a warning , you should too

[Seanbon]

He didn't because he doesn't exist. That just my opinion but everything points to it being correct! :thumbs:

Sorry wrong! Jesus did exist,whether he was the son of God is open to debate,but records show such a man did exist!?! He had many followers,and was crucified,but again whether he arose from the dead is debatable!!!:xyxwave:

[Black Dagger]

Stop quoting that. Theres too many of them now

God Vicky. So homophobic x

[smeagol]

yet again its just shows what a sad world we live in now.
That's his view whether religious or not , views are everybody's right. it only becomes a problem if its hateful or the person discriminates based on beliefs/views, none of that applies with his conversation.

though some of what he said is a bit wtf lol but he does act a big brain damaged yo be fair anyway. but his view it harms no one.

[M X]

I'd like you first to answer my question that I just asked you rather than conveniently ignore it .

which is basically what you've done since your first post :joker: although i must say, you've gone about 10 minutes without telling anyone to grow up so you are are progressing!

and you've basically said there's no point in fighting homophobia because everyone is entitled to spread it around without any consequence.

[sampvt]

quote for new page as MMI might have missed it x

Hey those are really sexy, mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[M X]

You cannot compare race and sexuality, both very different subjects that always seem to get bundled together when they are nothing alike.

Yes you can.

Race = not something you chose.
Sexuality = not something you chose.

Are you noticing a pattern here?

[Benjamin]

which is basically what you've done since your first post :joker: although i must say, you've gone about 10 minutes without telling anyone to grow up so you are are progressing!

and you've basically said there's no point in fighting homophobia because everyone is entitled to spread it around without any consequence.

No, I have not, so stop putting words into my posts that are not there. You have the nerve to call me ignorant and you can't even stick to what is written in front of you without twisting it to suit your argument.

[M X]

just the same you display your anti rleigious ignorance. everyone has a right to opinions. if he gets a warning , you should too

Where exactly have I said anything anti-religious? Stop embarrassing yourself with replies that are ridiculous.

I'm not anti-religion. I'm anti- people using their religion in order to discriminate others.

[Benjamin]

Yes you can.

Race = not something you chose.
Sexuality = not something you chose.

Are you noticing a pattern here?

Clutching at straws now are we. Carry on.

[smeagol]

bb must be on everyone is arguing lol.

[chuff me dizzy]

I do not condone WHAT he said, but I do agree he has the right to say it

[Jack_]

I ****ing love Naomily :lovedup:

[the truth]

he said it was the same thing as being handicapped...

go back and watch it :thumbs:

I have and he didnt say it the way youve misinterpreted his words. youre wrong and therefore your entire argument is based on lies and misinterpretation. youre being profoundly disingenuous again. pathetic.

[sampvt]

I ****ing love Naomily :lovedup:

Was that Naomily Cambell the model or someone else I don't know

[M X]

No, I have not, so stop putting words into my posts that are not there. You have the nerve to call me ignorant and you can't even stick to what is written in front of you without twisting it to suit your argument.

Oh please, stop trying to backtrack. You said that it's just 'crying wolf' when it obviously isn't, and that people are just too sensitive about it all. You're just ignorant and your support for homophobia is really saddening in a sense considering you are gay and yet you are feeding the the fire that burns you.

But I guess some people are so terrified of being stereotyped as a certain type of gay person that they even resort to homophobia themselves. Sad sad.

[MeMyselfAndI]

I ****ing love Naomily :lovedup:

omg same :lovedup:

[M X]

I have and he didnt say it the way youve misinterpreted his words. youre wrong and therefore your entire argument is based on lies and misinterpretation. youre being profoundly disingenuous again. pathetic.

:joker: you are wrong.

he said that gay people should get fixed in the same way that a handicapped person would go to the hospital to get fixed. (which although doesn't happen so he's stupid for that too)

i'm not sure who you are trying to prove i'm wrong too, considering we are on a big brother forum so everybody knows what was said and you denying it is just making you look foolish? :laugh:

[M X]

Clutching at straws now are we. Carry on.

Lol, once again you have no valid point so you resort to immature comments. What a surprise. :joker:

[Kazanne]

Yes, because it is wrong and if you disagree then you are wrong too. Sorry about that.

But then maybe asking for an opinion on homosexuality from someone who frequently expresses racist and xenophobic views on this forum isn't the best idea...

Oh ffs sake can you not keep on about this everytime Chuff posts,its like you are just waiting for her to post,its the same old same old from you all the time,Chuff is entitalled her opinions as you are.Now you can report back to your leader:hugesmile: Why don't you just ignore her if she offends you so much,or do you love it Jack?

[Benjamin]

Oh please, stop trying to backtrack. You said that it's just 'crying wolf' when it obviously isn't, and that people are just too sensitive about it all. You're just ignorant and your support for homophobia is really saddening in a sense considering you are gay and yet you are feeding the the fire that burns you.

But I guess some people are so terrified of being stereotyped as a certain type of gay person that they even resort to homophobia themselves. Sad sad.

LOL, again at the clutching at straws. Nice try though, nice try. call me sad all you want, I'm not the one that gets offended at every little thing.

[chuff me dizzy]

Oh ffs sake can you not keep on about this everytime Chuff posts,its like you are just waiting for her to post,its the same old same old from you all the time,Chuff is entitalled her opinions as you are.Now you can report back to your leader:hugesmile: Why don't you just ignore her if she offends you so much,or do you love it Jack?

Maybe grow up when its balls have dropped

[Vicky.]

But I guess some people are so terrified of being stereotyped as a certain type of gay person that they even resort to homophobia themselves. Sad sad.

Or possibly not all gay people think the same. I wasnt aware everyone of a certain sexuality must agree on everything.

Edit. This actually reminds me of an argument on gay marriage a while ago. One of my mates was accused of allowing homophobia and being against his 'own kind' or something along those lines simply because he said he couldnt care less about getting married an was quite happy with his civil parntership

[Benjamin]

Lol, once again you have no valid point so you resort to immature comments. What a surprise. :joker:

And yet some of your comments are just as immature. Practice what you preach.

[Benjamin]

Or possibly not all gay people think the same. I wasnt aware everyone of a certain sexuality must agree on everything.

Apparently they must, yet I'm the ignorant one.

[M X]

LOL, again at the clutching at straws. Nice try though, nice try. call me sad all you want, I'm not the one that gets offended at every little thing.

I'm not even offended by Evanders comment. I just know the difference between right and wrong and I find it funny when I'm educating you on this matter.

[the truth]

Lol, once again you have no valid point so you resort to immature comments. What a surprise. :joker:

shut your pie hole:xyxwave:

[Seanbon]

Oh don't be so ridiculous.

He's in the Big Brother house, not MI5 headquarters.

There's nowhere private, his conversation was not private or 1 on 1. He is fully aware that there are millions of viewers watching him but yet he still chose to showcase his potentially offensive and ignorant opinions.

I don't think he is fully aware,as when Luisa tried to shush him up he seemed surprised?? I don't think he realises that the microphones pick up everything!?!

[Benjamin]

I'm not even offended by Evanders comment. I just know the difference between right and wrong and I find it funny when I'm educating you on this matter.

Educating me. :laugh3:


I never said his comment was right. I suggest you educate yourself and learn to read.

[the truth]

I'm not even offended by Evanders comment. I just know the difference between right and wrong and I find it funny when I'm educating you on this matter.

no you dont youve lied umpteen times already.

shut your pie hole:xyxwave:

[M X]

Or possibly not all gay people think the same. I wasnt aware everyone of a certain sexuality must agree on everything.

Hmm yeah maybe some just genuinely do support homophobia

Good point!

[M X]

no you dont youve lied umpteen times already.

shut your pie hole:xyxwave:

why are you trying to be funny when you aren't :joker:

[Benjamin]

Hmm yeah maybe some just genuinely do support homophobia

Good point!

Okay now you are just making yourself look foolish by carrying on.

[Vicky.]

Hmm yeah maybe some just genuinely do support homophobia

Good point!

I would hardly think saying other people are entitled to their opinions (whilst not agreeing with said opinions) is supporting homophobia

Each to their own though I guess :shrug:

[the truth]

Hmm yeah maybe some just genuinely do support homophobia

Good point!

you seem to support bigotry against religion , hypocrite
plus you support a ban on freedom of speech, hypocrite
now shut your pie hole

[chuff me dizzy]

yet again its just shows what a sad world we live in now.
That's his view whether religious or not , views are everybody's right. it only becomes a problem if its hateful or the person discriminates based on beliefs/views, none of that applies with his conversation.

though some of what he said is a bit wtf lol but he does act a big brain damaged yo be fair anyway. but his view it harms no one.

I find it just so fake ,all these doogooders ,I just hope they are as caring about people in the real world

[M X]

Educating me. :laugh3:


I never said his comment was right. I suggest you educate yourself and learn to read.

When exactly did I say that you said his comment was right? I'm well aware you don't agree with his comment. But I believe that it's wrong that you think there's nothing wrong with him expressing his homophobic views. Maybe you should learn to read what I wrote.

[Jordan.]

I would hardly think saying other people are entitled to their opinions (whilst not agreeing with said opinions) is supporting homophobia

Each to their own though I guess :shrug:

where does people are entitled to their opinion stop though?

[the truth]

Okay now you are just making yourself look foolish by carrying on.

I agree....poster is coming across as a control and anti religious bigot and a stalinist who bans all opinions that contardicts their own

[M X]

you seem to support bigotry against religion , hypocrite
plus you support a ban on freedom of speech, hypocrite
now shut your pie hole

no you are lying!!!1!1
:dance:

[M X]

Okay now you are just making yourself look foolish by carrying on.

But you're still here?..........:conf:

All I'm doing is telling you the truth.

[the truth]

why are you trying to be funny when you aren't :joker:

Im funny in the right way, youd need a sense of humour to appreciate that
now shut your pie hole:xyxwave:

[Vicky.]

where does people are entitled to their opinion stop though?

Tricky one :laugh:

No idea really. I would say if he randomly gave his (bigotted) views in a public rant or something then it would be wrong, as would actually saying TO a gay person 'you are unnatural/disabled/etc'. But answering a question that he was asked, and in private, is different.

Unfortunately you cant change the way some people think. And from my experience, the older generation seem to be the most intolerant...they have been able to be that for years and years unchallenged, its not going to change now sadly.

[chuff me dizzy]

where does people are entitled to their opinion stop though?

With whoevers opinion it is ,its blatant arrogance to claim YOUR opinion is more valid than the next persons

[Benjamin]

When exactly did I say that you said his comment was right? I'm well aware you don't agree with his comment. But I believe that it's wrong that you think there's nothing wrong with him expressing his homophobic views. Maybe you should learn to read what I wrote.

I just know the difference between right and wrong and I find it funny when I'm educating you on this matter.

Maybe you should word your sentences better then because that clearly implies that you are teaching me the difference between right and wrong on his comment.

Now if you have finished clutching at straws we are done here,

[M X]

I would hardly think saying other people are entitled to their opinions (whilst not agreeing with said opinions) is supporting homophobia

Each to their own though I guess :shrug:

well, supporting peoples right to spread homophobia is supporting homophobia.

[Kazanne]

Educating me. :laugh3:


I never said his comment was right. I suggest you educate yourself and learn to read.

Ben, some people just really are not worth trying to explain to, no where have you said Evander was right in what he said.

[Benjamin]

where does people are entitled to their opinion stop though?

That is actually a good topic for Serious Debates, Jordan.

[M X]

Maybe you should word your sentences better then because that clearly implies that you are teaching me the difference between right and wrong on his comment.

Now if you have finished clutching at straws we are done here,

Um, no it doesn't? You are reaching so far right now. It's hilarious. :joker: Now go and read through all the other posts in this thread and see what you can find to twist! It'll be fun for you :) Report back your findings!

[the truth]

Tricky one :laugh:

No idea really. I would say if he randomly gave his (bigotted) views in a public rant or something then it would be wrong. But answering a question that he was asked, and in private, is different.

Unfortunately you cant change the way some people think. And from my experience, the older generation seem to be the most intolerant...they have been able o be that for years and years unchallenged, its not going to change now sadly.

how can it be challenged if conversation and discussion is banned ?

[Benjamin]

Um, no it doesn't? You are reaching so far right now. It's hilarious. :joker: Now go and read through all the other posts in this thread and see what you can find to twist! It'll be fun for you :) Report back your findings!

Wow, it really is like dealing with a child. At least the others said their piece and left it at that, you are just embarrassing yourself now.

[Seanbon]

Or possibly not all gay people think the same. I wasnt aware everyone of a certain sexuality must agree on everything.

Edit. This actually reminds me of an argument on gay marriage a while ago. One of my mates was accused of allowing homophobia and being against his 'own kind' or something along those lines simply because he said he couldnt care less about getting married an was quite happy with his civil parntership

:thumbs::thumbs:100% Not every homosexual has the same opinion on every subject,just like every heterosexual!?! Equal rights,and all that!!:thumbs::thumbs:

[Jordan.]

With whoevers opinion it is ,its blatant arrogance to claim YOUR opinion is more valid than the next persons

okay so I suppose we all should support terrorist attacks since it's just the terrorist carrying out his opinion.

[M X]

Im funny in the right way, youd need a sense of humour to appreciate that
now shut your pie hole:xyxwave:

noo stop lying!!
you are so anti-opinion!!1:dance:

[M X]

okay so I suppose we all should support terrorist attacks since it's just the terrorist carrying out his opinion.

EXACTLY.

[thesheriff443]

Wow, itreally is like dealing with a child.

ben you were doing so well!
maybe he should grow up:joker:

[the truth]

well, supporting peoples right to spread homophobia is supporting homophobia.

100% wrong. supporting peoples right to discuss subjects helps tackle misunderstandings and fights perceived bigotry. such as this thread, youre being schooled and one day you may learn something, by about 2027

now shut your pie hole

[Vicky.]

how can it be challenged if conversation and discussion is banned ?

Yeah another good question tbh

[Jack_]

Oh ffs sake can you not keep on about this everytime Chuff posts,its like you are just waiting for her to post,its the same old same old from you all the time,Chuff is entitalled her opinions as you are.Now you can report back to your leader:hugesmile: Why don't you just ignore her if she offends you so much,or do you love it Jack?

Yes it is indeed the same old stuff all the time, every series it's comments about American housemates or black ones etc etc, I'm not the only one that thinks like this either and in fact there's been a few in this thread that pointed this out before I did but single me out why don't you? Kinda sweet I guess.

Leader? That actually doesn't make any sense to me so I'd love you to elaborate there.

Maybe I don't ignore her cause I think racism and xenophobia is something that should be publicly condemned in order to draw attention to it and try to cut it back in the future? Just a thought. Maybe people should just turn a blind eye to discriminatory comments in future :shrug:

Maybe grow up when its balls have dropped

Oh my balls have certainly dropped, I'll PM you a pic if you like love xx

Stick to criticising housemates for being American or stereotyping them for being black or reminiscing about the days when you could call them 'coloured people' or throwing around insults like 'slut' and '*****' to women you've never even met or making comments about housemates ethnicities? Need I go on? Leave my balls out of it, thanks :kiss:

[the truth]

EXACTLY.

no shouting

[the truth]

Yes it is indeed the same old stuff all the time, every series it's comments about American housemates or black ones etc etc, I'm not the only one that thinks like this either and in fact there's been a few in this thread that pointed this out before I did but single me out why don't you? Kinda sweet I guess.

Leader? That actually doesn't make any sense to me so I'd love you to elaborate there.

Maybe I don't ignore her cause I think racism and xenophobia is something that should be publicly condemned in order to draw attention to it and try to cut it back in the future? Just a thought. Maybe people should just turn a blind eye to discriminatory comments in future :shrug:



Oh my balls have certainly dropped, I'll PM you a pic if you like love xx

Stick to criticising housemates for being American or stereotyping them for being black or reminiscing about the days when you could call them 'coloured people' or throwing around insults like 'slut' and '*****' to women you've never even met or making comments about housemates ethnicities? Need I go on? Leave my balls out of it, thanks :kiss:

your post is a disgrace, shame on you

[M X]

Wow, it really is like dealing with a child. At least the others said their piece and left it at that, you are just embarrassing yourself now.

But you are still here? How am I acting like a child still being here and you aren't? Literally you haven't raised one valid point. And yeah, all the other bandwagoners will tell me to 'grow up' but nobody has raised any valid points so it's pointless really.

If you are so done with this discussion, then you may leave. If you are so done with it, why are you still replying to me?

[chuff me dizzy]

okay so I suppose we all should support terrorist attacks since it's just the terrorist carrying out his opinion.

Different thing altogether :rolleyes:

[M X]

100% wrong. supporting peoples right to discuss subjects helps tackle misunderstandings and fights perceived bigotry. such as this thread, youre being schooled and one day you may learn something, by about 2027

now shut your pie hole

oh yes, supporting peoples right to express homophobia does wonders to find bigotry :joker::joker::joker:

stop embarrassing yourself

[the truth]

okay so I suppose we all should support terrorist attacks since it's just the terrorist carrying out his opinion.

possibly the stupidest thing every written by an alleged human being

[Jordan.]

possibly the stupidest thing every written by an alleged human being

coming from a person who calls themselves the truth I really don't care

http://24.media.tumblr.com/81faf9d2dec0fdaca095740e508cf149/tumblr_mypk4u652c1rgh84mo1_500.gif

[chuff me dizzy]

Ben, some people just really are not worth trying to explain to, no where have you said Evander was right in what he said.

This is what happens when you read something wearing blinkers

[M X]

People pick and chose which 'personal views' are okay to express.

It's not okay to discriminate against black people based on your personal views, but it is okay to discriminate against gay people based on your personal views.

People just use the 'personal view' argument to cover up their own bigotry and ignorance.

[Macie Lightfoot]

I'm not the only one that thinks like this either and in fact there's been a few in this thread that pointed this out before I did

This is true, I too have called chuff out on her xenophobia in the past.

[Kazanne]

Yes it is indeed the same old stuff all the time, every series it's comments about American housemates or black ones etc etc, I'm not the only one that thinks like this either and in fact there's been a few in this thread that pointed this out before I did but single me out why don't you? Kinda sweet I guess.

Leader? That actually doesn't make any sense to me so I'd love you to elaborate there.

Maybe I don't ignore her cause I think racism and xenophobia is something that should be publicly condemned in order to draw attention to it and try to cut it back in the future? Just a thought. Maybe people should just turn a blind eye to discriminatory comments in future :shrug:



Oh my balls have certainly dropped, I'll PM you a pic if you like love xx

Stick to criticising housemates for being American or stereotyping them for being black or reminiscing about the days when you could call them 'coloured people' or throwing around insults like 'slut' and '*****' to women you've never even met or making comments about housemates ethnicities? Need I go on? Leave my balls out of it, thanks :kiss:

I single you out Jack as its you who pounces on Chuff as soon as she posts,even if she doesn't mention any of the things you go on about,you may not like it ,but you are not the the forum policeman if chuff says anything out of order I am sure the mods deal with it,so why do feel it your duty to belittle her all the time,there really is no need:nono:

[chuff me dizzy]

Yes it is indeed the same old stuff all the time, every series it's comments about American housemates or black ones etc etc, I'm not the only one that thinks like this either and in fact there's been a few in this thread that pointed this out before I did but single me out why don't you? Kinda sweet I guess.

Leader? That actually doesn't make any sense to me so I'd love you to elaborate there.

Maybe I don't ignore her cause I think racism and xenophobia is something that should be publicly condemned in order to draw attention to it and try to cut it back in the future? Just a thought. Maybe people should just turn a blind eye to discriminatory comments in future :shrug:



Oh my balls have certainly dropped, I'll PM you a pic if you like love xx

Stick to criticising housemates for being American or stereotyping them for being black or reminiscing about the days when you could call them 'coloured people' or throwing around insults like 'slut' and '*****' to women you've never even met or making comments about housemates ethnicities? Need I go on? Leave my balls out of it, thanks :kiss:

You really need to grow up and back off little boy ,go tell your buddies what you said .....go on hurry up they are sat waiting .............. BAAAAAA :bored::crazy:

[Benjamin]

Lets stick to the debate everyone or the thread will get locked.

[the truth]

oh yes, supporting peoples right to express homophobia does wonders to find bigotry :joker::joker::joker:

stop embarrassing yourself

youd love to electrocute evryone who doesnt agree and say exactly what you want them to say. but guess what? people have different opinions and different experiences and different education too....your solution is to punish and lock up anyone with different opinions. thats a road to utter madness. people have a right to an opinion and to allow some discussion helps people udnerstand each other and leads us to a far greater level of understanding and enlightenment

as for the context here which youve totally misinterpreted in a dishonest way. evander wasnt trying to hurt or be offensive at all. he just belives its unnatural to have anal sex. he also thinks it is a choice in some cases. hes entitled to his opinion if you disagree argue the point. but to ban him from discussing it is insane.

now shut your pie hole:xyxwave:

[Amy Jade]

Im a bit confused, all I heard him say was that he found gay relationships wrong which i obviously disagree with but did he say gay people were handicapped?

[chuff me dizzy]

I single you out Jack as its you who pounces on Chuff as soon as she posts,even if she doesn't mention any of the things you go on about,you may not like it ,but you are not the the forum policeman if chuff says anything out of order I am sure the mods deal with it,so why do feel it your duty to belittle her all the time,there really is no need:nono:

He knows no better Kaz, he knows I wont back down to him ,Ive got tins of paint in my shed older than him ,hes on his way to his "BIG BOYS"to report back now ,go on little fella on your way

[M X]

Im a bit confused, all I heard him say was that he found gay relationships wrong which i obviously disagree with but did he say gay people were handicapped?

he said that they should go and get help to be fixed in the same way that you would if you were born handicapped

[Macie Lightfoot]

Im a bit confused, all I heard him say was that he found gay relationships wrong which i obviously disagree with but did he say gay people were handicapped?

He compared gays to disabled people and implied that just because you were born that way (which he too disagrees with) doesn't mean you can't get fixed.

[MeMyselfAndI]

He compared being gay too being handicapped

[Jack_]

your post is a disgrace, shame on you

And Chuff's post to me wasn't? Please, spare me

As a matter of fact I actually agree that allowing people to converse like this and express their opinions is a way in which they are challenged and discrimination can be eradicated from society, that's why I'm actually happy they aired the discussion tonight because it's started this one on here and that's what Big Brother is all about. Actually there was a thread earlier about BB not being a social experiment anymore, well I'd argue that topics like this and the one regarding Jasmine's conduct last night somewhat prove it still is one to an extent

Evander is perfectly entitled to his opinion, but airing it on a national TV show in the UK was moronic, and Luisa even warned him not to continue with what he was about to say. If this was in a pub in the company of his friends, fine, but he's on a TV show and Channel 5 have to cover their backs. You can't talk like that on TV and not expect to be reprimanded. I'm glad they broadcasted the conversation because it's provoked a debate and will actually help to highlight the fact that opinions like this still exist and will mean they're challenged, but the reminder they gave him about potentially offending viewers (and that's all it was as far as I remember, not an official formal warning) was justified

[the truth]

People pick and chose which 'personal views' are okay to express.

It's not okay to discriminate against black people based on your personal views, but it is okay to discriminate against gay people based on your personal views.

People just use the 'personal view' argument to cover up their own bigotry and ignorance.

mindless drivel. youre comparing apples with oranges. totally different subjects. yet you destroy evander when he brings disability and homosexuality into the same conversation. youre a total hypocrite

now shut your pie hole

[Black Dagger]

He knows no better Kaz, he knows I wont back down to him ,Ive got tins of paint in my shed older than him ,hes on his way to his "BIG BOYS"to report back now ,go on little fella on your way

I hope this isn't about me, the last time I spoke with Jack was saying how we might have a series where we agree which would be nice after all the times we've disagreed and argued over housemates in the past, because you said you liked Ollie :laugh:

[Me. I Am Salman]

can you please say something else apart from shut your pie hole it's annoying as fk

[chuff me dizzy]

Im a bit confused, all I heard him say was that he found gay relationships wrong which i obviously disagree with but did he say gay people were handicapped?

No he didnt ,hes very religious and 100% right when he said "In the Bible its classed as wrong " this is true ,Luissa asked him a question ,he answered ,What wrong in that baffles me

[Seanbon]

okay so I suppose we all should support terrorist attacks since it's just the terrorist carrying out his opinion.

Pure nonsense!!!!:nono: Expressing an opinion is all part of freedom of speech. Attacking and killing people,or even verbally abusing people is not!?!

[Amy Jade]

ohhh damn, well I understand people being annoyed now. I thought he literally said something much less offensive but that's messed up trying to cure peoples sexuality

If anyone needs curing it's him and his narrow mind.

[Kazanne]

This is true, I too have called chuff out on her xenophobia in the past.

But I don't think I have ever seen you seek out her posts and try and belittle her,but maybe I missed something,its ok to say you disagree but some of the things levelled at chuff have been uncalled for imo of course.

[thesheriff443]

in all honesty its extremely sad that a black American boxing champion can be so narrow minded, to the fact that gay people don't have a choice when it comes to sexuality in the same way a person does not get to choose the color of their skin.

[M X]

mindless drivel. youre comparing apples with oranges. totally different subjects. yet you destroy evander when he brings disability and homosexuality into the same conversation. youre a total hypocrite

now shut your pie hole

they aren't different subjects. race and sexuality are both things that people are both with. so how exactly are they so different?

[the truth]

And Chuff's post to me wasn't? Please, spare me

As a matter of fact I actually agree that allowing people to converse like this and express their opinions is a way in which they are challenged and discrimination can be eradicated from society, that's why I'm actually happy they aired the discussion tonight because it's started this one on here and that's what Big Brother is all about. Actually there was a thread earlier about BB not being a social experiment anymore, well I'd argue that topics like this and the one regarding Jasmine's conduct last night somewhat prove it still is one to an extent

Evander is perfectly entitled to his opinion, but airing it on a national TV show in the UK was moronic, and Luisa even warned him not to continue with what he was about to say. If this was in a pub in the company of his friends, fine, but he's on a TV show and Channel 5 have to cover their backs. You can't talk like that on TV and not expect to be reprimanded. I'm glad they broadcasted the conversation because it's provoked a debate and will actually help to highlight the fact that opinions like this still exist and will mean they're challenged, but the reminder they gave him about potentially offending viewers (and that's all it was as far as I remember, not an official formal warning) was justified

if BB were that worried too they could have edited it out anyway
they show all sorts of filth, swearing , finger banging , opinions on all sorts. thats evanders opinion deal with it. hes now in effect been banned from discussing the subject which is plain wrong.

[Josy]

Stick to discussing cbb/the topic of the thread instead of discussing and insulting other members, the thread was a good debate until that started.

[joeysteele]

Well I was not happy wth what he said or the way he portrayed his view. I found the response from him unacceptable on the issue.

I said earlier the BB house is not a private house where people have private conversations, he said on public TV he thought being gay was wrong and went on to compare it with being handicapped thereby indicating those who are gay could do something about it to maybe 'cure' it.

It is opinions like that reinforce the old discriminatory views and attitudes towards gay communities
That is where he was wrong and way out of order, he is entitled to his view, even if it is totally wrong, but keep that view to himself and not spout out his rubbish on a National TV programme.

When asked the question by Luisa, (knowing his own views on the subject), he is a man of some age he should have said that is not a discussion I want to have and would prefer not to answer, that was the simple way out.
He was not however, having a private conversation with Luisa because there is no such thing as private conversations in the BB house whatsoever.

[the truth]

they aren't different subjects. race and sexuality are both things that people are both with. so how exactly are they so different?

if you cant work out they are different subjects there is no hope for you, utterly brainless

now shut your pie hole

[Kazanne]

I hope this isn't about me, the last time I spoke with Jack was saying how we might have a series where we agree which would be nice after all the times we've disagreed and argued over housemates in the past, because you said you liked Ollie :laugh:

Its not Lucas,I assure you,we all like Ollie

[Shaun]

the ignore list <3