TiBB's General Election Discussion 2015.

[Crimson Dynamo]

George Galloway predicted a miliband win today of DP show but cautioned that he has to do a deal with SNP or it will be political suicide

[Jack_]

Galloway was great earlier as usual :clap1: and that's a disappointing stance from the Independent tbh

[Kizzy]

Stop trying to make lib dem happen....it's not going to happen (again)

[Jack_]

If you're into tactical voting, here you go:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2015/may/05/election-2015-where-should-you-vote-tactically

[MTVN]

Stop trying to make lib dem happen....it's not going to happen (again)

:joker:

Cleggy is going to prove all the doubters wrong and earn the publics gratitude in the next parliament, you'll see


Well either that or he'll lose his seat and be completely humiliated :worry:

[arista]

I agree with much of the editorial tbh. Really its more an endorsement of the Lib Dems for their moderating impact on the Conservatives and for offering the best hope of a stable coalition which would ideally be a lot more liberal the second time around. It might not prove very wise by them though given its struggles with readership anyway and most those who do buy it tend to be left of centre with a lot of Labour voters amongst them


You Are Most Wise MTVN

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2015/apr/29/election-2015-let-the-vote-match-test-find-the-party-closest-to-you

Scottish Green was my highest, SNP my lowest

:suspect:

[Jack_]

Green - 93%
Labour - 66%
Lib Dems - 60%

Sounds about right

Found this great little website thanks to that though:

http://democraticdashboard.com

[joeysteele]

Galloway was great earlier as usual :clap1: and that's a disappointing stance from the Independent tbh

I totally agree Jack_
I think they have made a massive mistake, had they suggested a Labour and Lib Dem coalition format, it would have made more sense.

It seems they have only made this choice because of the SNP possibly having influence.

It annoys me when newpapers scream on about free speech and democratic rights,then when it appears the free choices and democratic rights as to voting in Scotland for the SNP, reaches what is seen as new heights, then democracy goes out the window.

The SNP is felt by the Conservatives,Lib Dems,(yes Lib Dems, those so called defenders of rights and democracy),UKIP and most of the press, that they should have the right to go to Westminster if elected but in effect say and do little, and never ever dare be involved in any governmental activity.
Utter hypocrisy.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Green - 93%
Labour - 66%
Lib Dems - 60%

Sounds about right

Found this great little website thanks to that though:

http://democraticdashboard.com

wow that is a good site:thumbs:

[MTVN]

I totally agree Jack_
I think they have made a massive mistake, had they suggested a Labour and Lib Dem coalition format, it would have made more sense.

It seems they have only made this choice because of the SNP possibly having influence.

It annoys me when newpapers scream on about free speech and democratic rights,then when it appears the free choices and democratic rights as to voting in Scotland for the SNP, reaches what is seen as new heights, then democracy goes out the window.

The SNP is felt by the Conservatives,Lib Dems,(yes Lib Dems, those so called defenders of rights and democracy),UKIP and most of the press, that they should have the right to go to Westminster if elected but in effect say and do little, and never ever dare be involved in any governmental activity.
Utter hypocrisy.

Surely this is the Labour stance as well? Everyone knows that the SNP are likely to hold the balance of power yet Labour are ruling out any sort of agreement at every turn and it seems like their attitude is basically going to be; "support our policies or it's on you if the Tories benefit from their defeat".

This article explains well why the SNP are not the great progressive force they are being made out to be and why their rabid nationalism is at odds with the interest of the UK as a whole:

The argument for steering clear of the SNP isn’t that Labour has a monopoly of progressive virtue. It clearly doesn’t. The real reason for being a Nat-sceptic is that, aside from nationalism, the SNP has no ideological core of its own and simply instrumentalises progressive ideas to advance the regressive goal of separatism. For the non-Scottish left there can be no question of a principled and trusting relationship with the SNP because you can’t build a common project for social change with someone whose first and only purpose is to smash up the political community to which you both belong. The left in England and Wales may want the UK to work differently, but they definitely want it to work. Nicola Sturgeon and her party want it to fail.

The SNP could have proved otherwise by refocusing its priorities on areas of shared interest with the rest of Britain when it lost the referendum, but it spurned the opportunity. Like true vanguardists, the self-styled ‘45’ decided to set democracy and majority opinion aside and behave as if they were real voice of Scotland. Their pledge that the referendum would be a “once in a generation” event was immediately ditched in a frenzy of debate about how soon a rerun could be engineered and what ruses would be needed to secure a different outcome. Everything the SNP does is now framed with that solitary objective in mind.

The effect has been to foster a dominant attitude that is highly sectarian and trending towards totalitarian. There is only one truth and one way to be authentically Scottish – the nationalist way. Anyone who disagrees with this is, as one SNP parliamentary candidate put it, the moral equivalent of a Nazi collaborator. There is no space for pluralism and honest compromise with a movement in this state of mind. The normal rules of democratic conduct don’t apply because it answers to destiny alone. When Nicola Sturgeon says that she wants to help the Labour Party, she does so in the same spirit that Lenin once advised his British followers support the Labour Party of Arthur Henderson: “as the rope supports a hanged man”.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/04/if-you-think-snp-are-left-wing-force-think-again

Nationalism is always dangerous imo, however much the SNP dress themselves up as 'civic nationalists' or progressives. Let's be frank that none of the main parties want to have anything to do with the SNP - and with good reason

[Josy]

Nationalism is always dangerous imo, however much the SNP dress themselves up as 'civic nationalists' or progressives. Let's be frank that none of the main parties want to have anything to do with the SNP - and with good reason

Great post. I completely agree.

[Jack_]

I totally agree Jack_
I think they have made a massive mistake, had they suggested a Labour and Lib Dem coalition format, it would have made more sense.

It seems they have only made this choice because of the SNP possibly having influence.

It annoys me when newpapers scream on about free speech and democratic rights,then when it appears the free choices and democratic rights as to voting in Scotland for the SNP, reaches what is seen as new heights, then democracy goes out the window.

The SNP is felt by the Conservatives,Lib Dems,(yes Lib Dems, those so called defenders of rights and democracy),UKIP and most of the press, that they should have the right to go to Westminster if elected but in effect say and do little, and never ever dare be involved in any governmental activity.
Utter hypocrisy.

I completely agree and I'm getting really sick of reading about the SNP's so called 'illegitimacy' to play a role in supporting a Labour minority government. If I hear the sentence 'a Labour government propped up by the SNP' one more time I think I'm going to throw up. I switched the TV on earlier and it was muted and I'm pretty sure it was a Tory party election broadcast with Cameron speaking, and the first thing I lip read was that very sentence and I just laughed to myself.

It just goes to show how up themselves the English really are to be honest. If the entirety of Scotland's constituencies wishes to back a nationalist party, they are perfectly entitled to do so and more importantly if they have enough MPs to support a larger party of their choice they're also entitled to do that, there is nothing 'illegitimate' about it at all. The Scottish electorate are represented in Westminster and that's that. What is most pathetic about all of it is during the referendum campaign those on the side of the union promised that the Scot's voices would be heard and that more power would be given to them in the future, and yet you fast forward eight months and there's talk from the very same people of how Scotland effectively shouldn't be allowed to have themselves represented in the Commons if that's how they choose to vote and that it would be 'illegitimate' and 'unfair' to the rest of the UK. Well I call bull**** on that, if you're going to plead with them to remain as part of the union and then when they do so tell them that their wishes come the general election may mean nothing then why didn't you just join the independence campaign in the first place, they'd have had nothing to worry about then would they? It really is laughable, and you wonder why there's people in the other nations of the UK that want independence when they're treated as the younger, irrelevant siblings of the bully bigger brother.

Unfortunately this kind of discussion is only going to amplify from Friday onwards, along with how a left-of-centre majority in the HoC forming a government would also be 'illegitimate' if the Tories are the party with the most seats. Well I'm sorry but that's not how our parliamentary system works, it doesn't matter whether Nick Clegg himself or anyone else thinks that the party with the most seats has some kind of moral right to form a government first, because quite frankly they don't. It's the party who can put together a working majority first, it's that simple. And all of this is summed up in this article much more articulately than me by Owen Jones:

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/05/owen-jones-if-tories-get-more-seats-labour-get-ready-very-british-coup

If Scotland wish to elect a load of SNP MPs, they will all have just as much right as anyone else to make alliances with others in the Commons to create a workable majority. If hypothetically an English nationalist party were to gain as many as 50 seats in a parliamentary election, I don't think the English electorate or media would be claiming there's some sort of foul play in those MPs supporting another party. If that's what some sections of the electorate want - and Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish people make up that electorate as well, then that is what they are entitled to. It's called democracy. Supposedly.

[bots]

I don't think the SNP will come anywhere close to achieving the seats they are projected to get. A climate of fear was created up till the vote for independence where pro unionist supporters were frightened to voice their opinion. Its no different now. Come election day, labour will loose a few seats, but that's all. If the SNP don't make significant ground at this election, they will be a spent force for a generation

[MTVN]

I completely agree and I'm getting really sick of reading about the SNP's so called 'illegitimacy' to play a role in supporting a Labour minority government. If I hear the sentence 'a Labour government propped up by the SNP' one more time I think I'm going to throw up. I switched the TV on earlier and it was muted and I'm pretty sure it was a Tory party election broadcast with Cameron speaking, and the first thing I lip read was that very sentence and I just laughed to myself.

It just goes to show how up themselves the English really are to be honest. If the entirety of Scotland's constituencies wishes to back a nationalist party, they are perfectly entitled to do so and more importantly if they have enough MPs to support a larger party of their choice they're also entitled to do that, there is nothing 'illegitimate' about it at all. The Scottish electorate are represented in Westminster and that's that. What is most pathetic about all of it is during the referendum campaign those on the side of the union promised that the Scot's voices would be heard and that more power would be given to them in the future, and yet you fast forward eight months and there's talk from the very same people of how Scotland effectively shouldn't be allowed to have themselves represented in the Commons if that's how they choose to vote and that it would be 'illegitimate' and 'unfair' to the rest of the UK. Well I call bull**** on that, if you're going to plead with them to remain as part of the union and then when they do so tell them that their wishes come the general election may mean nothing then why didn't you just join the independence campaign in the first place, they'd have had nothing to worry about then would they? It really is laughable, and you wonder why there's people in the other nations of the UK that want independence when they're treated as the younger, irrelevant siblings of the bully bigger brother.

Unfortunately this kind of discussion is only going to amplify from Friday onwards, along with how a left-of-centre majority in the HoC forming a government would also be 'illegitimate' if the Tories are the party with the most seats. Well I'm sorry but that's not how our parliamentary system works, it doesn't matter whether Nick Clegg himself or anyone else thinks that the party with the most seats has some kind of moral right to form a government first, because quite frankly they don't. It's the party who can put together a working majority first, it's that simple. And all of this is summed up in this article much more articulately than me by Owen Jones:

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/05/owen-jones-if-tories-get-more-seats-labour-get-ready-very-british-coup

If Scotland wish to elect a load of SNP MPs, they will all have just as much right as anyone else to make alliances with others in the Commons to create a workable majority. If hypothetically an English nationalist party were to gain as many as 50 seats in a parliamentary election, I don't think the English electorate or media would be claiming there's some sort of foul play in those MPs supporting another party. If that's what some sections of the electorate want - and Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish people make up that electorate as well, then that is what they are entitled to. It's called democracy. Supposedly.

I don't deny the SNP's right to sit, but I do find the prospect of a Prime Minister whose party has less seats than the opposition faintly ridiculous. It might be a different matter if there was a coalition who could boast the largest bloc of MPs. It might even be a different matter if there was any sort of agreement at all between two parties who could outvote the largest one. But there won't be if we're to believe Miliband. He has explicitly said several times now that there will not be any coalition and there won't be any type of formal deal at all. Therefore Jones' argument that:

If there is a left-of-centre, anti-Tory majority in parliament then the Tories must fall, however many seats they have won. Left-wing parties will have won the election and a left-of-centre government led by Labour must take office

is a bit dumb considering those left-wing parties will not be in any sort of coalition or operating as a united front. The "left-wing parties" will be anything but a homogeneous entity so there is no real reason why the Tories should bow down to two parties refusing to work with each other if the Conservatives have more seats than either of them.

[Jack_]

But they won't be refusing to work with each other per se, it's just Miliband has called the SNP's bluff and effectively challenged them to vote down a Labour Queen's Speech and risk the Tories getting back in. If the smaller parties on the left align and agree amongst themselves to vote down a Tory budget and vote up a Labour one (which I hope the SNP will do if they have any sense, and what I think Ed is counting on) then that's not any kind of formal or informal deal, just an anti-Tory sentiment among the majority of MPs in the Commons and that they will do anything to prevent them getting back in. And if that's the way it works out, I see nothing illegitimate about that. I think that was Owen's point

[bots]

I'm not sure on the legalities, but without a formal arrangement of cooperation, I don't think it would be possible for Ed to form a government, if he had less seats than the tories, he simply would not be given the opportunity. :shrug:

And Nicola herself happily stated in the Scottish leaders debate that she would vote against a labour queens speech if it supported austerity and/or trident. So, I don't think they will have anything close to an easy ride without a formal arrangement.

[MTVN]

But they won't be refusing to work with each other per se, it's just Miliband has called the SNP's bluff and effectively challenged them to vote down a Labour Queen's Speech and risk the Tories getting back in. If the smaller parties on the left align and agree amongst themselves to vote down a Tory budget and vote up a Labour one (which I hope the SNP will do if they have any sense, and what I think Ed is counting on) then that's not any kind of formal or informal deal, just an anti-Tory sentiment among the majority of MPs in the Commons and that they will do anything to prevent them getting back in. And if that's the way it works out, I see nothing illegitimate about that. I think that was Owen's point

But that presumably still gives the Tories the first chance at creating a government? I don't see how, with no formal deal or coalition, Miliband could put forward a Queen's Speech before Cameron does if its the Conservatives with the most seats. If that Queen's Speech then gets voted down that'll be a different matter. I suppose it probably would but there's no guarantee depending on how the seats do end up, what sweeteners might be included, what behind-the-scenes discussions may be had, and how much traction the worry of the alternative might raise. I also don't think the SNP and Labour could work as harmoniously as a lot of people think. Any sort of issue-by-issue alliance could prove very uneasy and could be at risk of imploding if they find themselves at stand-off enough times, and both Miliband and Sturgeon seem quite prepared for stand-off, Ed banking that the SNP won't risk anything that could help the Tories but Sturgeon has also said the SNP would be prepared to vote down a Labour budget if necessary.

[Jack_]

I'm not sure on the legalities, but without a formal arrangement of cooperation, I don't think it would be possible for Ed to form a government, if he had less seats than the tories, he simply would not be given the opportunity. :shrug:

And Nicola herself happily stated in the Scottish leaders debate that she would vote against a labour queens speech if it supported austerity and/or trident. So, I don't think they will have anything close to an easy ride without a formal arrangement.

It doesn't quite work like that, here's a couple of handy articles I came across the other day to explain:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32475098

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32235317

Nicola also said she'd do anything to keep the Tories out, and if she has any sense she would do just that regardless, or else she faces the wrath of a lot of the Scottish electorate who want rid of them also. If a second election were called and she had at some point given the Tories an opportunity to govern, I think whatever seats they're going to win this time around would probably be halved. If that's a risk she's willing to take so be it, but let's hope not.

[Jack_]

But that presumably still gives the Tories the first chance at creating a government? I don't see how, with no formal deal or coalition, Miliband could put forward a Queen's Speech before Cameron does if its the Conservatives with the most seats. If that Queen's Speech then gets voted down that'll be a different matter. I suppose it probably would but there's no guarantee depending on how the seats do end up, what sweeteners might be included, what behind-the-scenes discussions may be had, and how much traction the worry of the alternative might raise. I also don't think the SNP and Labour could work as harmoniously as a lot of people think. Any sort of issue-by-issue alliance could prove very uneasy and could be at risk of imploding if they find themselves at stand-off enough times, and both Miliband and Sturgeon seem quite prepared for stand-off, Ed banking that the SNP won't risk anything that could help the Tories but Sturgeon has also said the SNP would be prepared to vote down a Labour budget if necessary.

From what I've gathered over all the reading I've done on this over the last week or so, the incumbent PM remains in office until if and when they decide that they aren't going to have a working majority. So Cameron may well decide to give his Queen's Speech a go and then if it's voted down it'll be Ed's turn, but if he thinks that will happen anyway he may well step down and invite the Queen to call Miliband to the palace. It's difficult because it's not a 'right' to have a go first per se, just that the PM remains in place until they step down themselves or it becomes clear the opposition leader has a workable majority.

[Ross.]

Not long till voting :clap1:

[bots]

It doesn't quite work like that, here's a couple of handy articles I came across the other day to explain:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32475098

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32235317

Nicola also said she'd do anything to keep the Tories out, and if she has any sense she would do just that regardless, or else she faces the wrath of a lot of the Scottish electorate who want rid of them also. If a second election were called and she had at some point given the Tories an opportunity to govern, I think whatever seats they're going to win this time around would probably be halved. If that's a risk she's willing to take so be it, but let's hope not.

I think what I said holds true, Ed cannot guarantee the confidence of the house unless they have the majority of seats either on their own or with a formal arrangement. Without that, he has no confidence on which to put himself forward as a government. If the tories have more seats than labour, they have the confidence to go as a minority ... its pretty straightforward really. I should add that having confidence and successfully negotiating a queens speech are not necessarily the same thing, although in most circumstances they should be.

Nicola will not retract her anti austerity and trident policies, she made that clear on Sunday. A lot have made very firm statements within the last couple of weeks, if they go back on them on Friday, the public will not forget.

[Jack_]

I think what I said holds true, Ed cannot guarantee the confidence of the house unless they have the majority of seats either on their own or with a formal arrangement. Without that, he has no confidence on which to put himself forward as a government. If the tories have more seats than labour, they have the confidence to go as a minority ... its pretty straightforward really.

Nicola will not retract her anti austerity and trident policies, she made that clear on Sunday. A lot have made very firm statements within the last couple of weeks, if they go back on them on Friday, the public will not forget.

But even if they have more seats and try to go it alone as a minority, they will still need the support of other smaller parties to pass their Queen's Speech, and if the majority of the minor parties are left-of-centre and anti-Tory, they will (if they have any sense and stick to what they've said) vote down any Tory government and vote up the next Labour one

This election will ride on what the political persuasions of the non Labour and Conservative MPs are, and based on the polls they will mostly all be to the left. So unless UKIP, the DUP and maybe the Lib Dems have enough to back a Tory minority, Ed may not have the most seats, but he will have the most support in the Commons

[joeysteele]

I completely agree and I'm getting really sick of reading about the SNP's so called 'illegitimacy' to play a role in supporting a Labour minority government. If I hear the sentence 'a Labour government propped up by the SNP' one more time I think I'm going to throw up. I switched the TV on earlier and it was muted and I'm pretty sure it was a Tory party election broadcast with Cameron speaking, and the first thing I lip read was that very sentence and I just laughed to myself.

It just goes to show how up themselves the English really are to be honest. If the entirety of Scotland's constituencies wishes to back a nationalist party, they are perfectly entitled to do so and more importantly if they have enough MPs to support a larger party of their choice they're also entitled to do that, there is nothing 'illegitimate' about it at all. The Scottish electorate are represented in Westminster and that's that. What is most pathetic about all of it is during the referendum campaign those on the side of the union promised that the Scot's voices would be heard and that more power would be given to them in the future, and yet you fast forward eight months and there's talk from the very same people of how Scotland effectively shouldn't be allowed to have themselves represented in the Commons if that's how they choose to vote and that it would be 'illegitimate' and 'unfair' to the rest of the UK. Well I call bull**** on that, if you're going to plead with them to remain as part of the union and then when they do so tell them that their wishes come the general election may mean nothing then why didn't you just join the independence campaign in the first place, they'd have had nothing to worry about then would they? It really is laughable, and you wonder why there's people in the other nations of the UK that want independence when they're treated as the younger, irrelevant siblings of the bully bigger brother.

Unfortunately this kind of discussion is only going to amplify from Friday onwards, along with how a left-of-centre majority in the HoC forming a government would also be 'illegitimate' if the Tories are the party with the most seats. Well I'm sorry but that's not how our parliamentary system works, it doesn't matter whether Nick Clegg himself or anyone else thinks that the party with the most seats has some kind of moral right to form a government first, because quite frankly they don't. It's the party who can put together a working majority first, it's that simple. And all of this is summed up in this article much more articulately than me by Owen Jones:

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/05/owen-jones-if-tories-get-more-seats-labour-get-ready-very-british-coup

If Scotland wish to elect a load of SNP MPs, they will all have just as much right as anyone else to make alliances with others in the Commons to create a workable majority. If hypothetically an English nationalist party were to gain as many as 50 seats in a parliamentary election, I don't think the English electorate or media would be claiming there's some sort of foul play in those MPs supporting another party. If that's what some sections of the electorate want - and Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish people make up that electorate as well, then that is what they are entitled to. It's called democracy. Supposedly.

Excellent post Jack_, the only thing legitimate as to taking power,with the electoral system we operate is who can command the support of the 'most' MPs in parliament.

Not who has the most seats or votes, no govt; of one party has sat with power with anything like the majority of votes fro instance, except for this one, with the Conservatives and Lib Dems combined.

It is all down to MPs only,that is the battle structure.
An MP who wins his seat by 1 vote, is no less legitimate then one who wins their seat by 10,000.
So were Labour or the Conservatives in 2nd place but one of them can get the overall support of the MPs elected to parliament, then that is all that matters,no matter where those MPs come from, as long as they have been legitimately elected in a democratic general election.

Well said Jack_.
We would be hearing none of this if the SNP had indicated they could work with either party,it is only because they have promised Scotland they will not support in any way whatsoever a Conservative govt; that has the Conservatives up in arms.

After all none of the MPs elected for the SNP to westminster,(and Scotland under UK rules has to send 59 MPs to westminster), can vote in the holyrood assembly.
They have to be able to vote how they wish somewhere and once elected as Westminster MPs,that is the place they should unrestricted as to how and for who they wish.

I don't agree with the SNP and independence but I see no reason at all why, while Scotland is still part of the UK and taking part in general elections to westminster,why they should have to accept being treated as second class MPs.

[bots]

Excellent post Jack_, the only thing legitimate as to taking power,with the electoral system we operate is who can command the support of the 'most' MPs in parliament.

Not who has the most seats or votes, no govt; of one party has sat with power with anything like the majority of votes fro instance, except for this one, with the Conservatives and Lib Dems combined.

It is all down to MPs only,that is the battle structure.
An MP who wins his seat by 1 vote, is no less legitimate then one who wins their seat by 10,000.
So were Labour or the Conservatives in 2nd place but one of them can get the overall support of the MPs elected to parliament, then that is all that matters,no matter where those MPs come from, as long as they have been legitimately elected in a democratic general election.

Well said Jack_.
We would be hearing none of this if the SNP had indicated they could work with either party,it is only because they have promised Scotland they will not support in any way whatsoever a Conservative govt; that has the Conservatives up in arms.

After all none of the MPs elected for the SNP to westminster,(and Scotland under UK rules has to send 59 MPs to westminster), can vote in the holyrood assembly.
They have to be able to vote how they wish somewhere and once elected as Westminster MPs,that is the place they should unrestricted as to how and for who they wish.

I don't agree with the SNP and independence but I see no reason at all why, while Scotland is still part of the UK and taking part in general elections to westminster,why they should have to accept being treated as second class MPs.

I think its pretty lonely voices that are saying that SNP mps do not have a valid voice, almost the complete majority are saying the Scottish MP's are valid. My point of contention is purely around the lack of a formal agreement. I just don't see that as workable or realistic.

We are sitting here arguing the toss, and the reality may still yet be that labour or conservative get enough votes to go it alone. There is enough margin for error in these polls for that to easily be the case, and the more these intricate details are discussed, the more i think they will become completely irrelevant when the votes are counted :laugh:

[joeysteele]

It is not without precedent that the party that didn't win the most seats or even got the most votes can not take power.

Different time admittedly and less parties but in 1923, the Conservatives got 37% of the vote and Labour got around 30%
The Conservatives won 258 seats, labour won 191.

It was however Labour and Ramsey McDonald,the aprty that came 2nd in seats and votes, who became the govt; albeit only for 10 months as the Liberals then helped block the legislation with the Conservatives.
This could be really different this time however for a much more stable govt:

I have said it before, I will again, the latest projections of seats on the electoral calculus gives the Conservatives likely around 282 seats and Labour around 275,with the SNP on 52.

Neither Labour or the Conservatives in that scenario could govern at all without the support of the SNP.neither of them,it would be impossible.
Unless either Labour allowed the Conservatives to govern or vice versa,
Now can anyone see that coming about.

[billy123]

UKIP candidate threatens to murder the opposition by putting a bullet between the eyes of an Asian MP claiming he isn't British enough.

qHLXkDbo6gk

[MTVN]

How long before Ukip accept this is more than just a few bad apples? If they want to be taken seriously as a political force they need to have a thorough examination of all their members in any position of influence within the party and where necessary have a complete overhaul

[joeysteele]

Cannot believe I am saying this but at last this election has come alive a bit more.
Now for me the best speech of this campaign has come today from a speech I have just watched, Gordon Brown's barnstorming speech in Glasgow.

It may be too late to change anything dramatically but I dare bet he will have swung some votes back for labour.

That is what is needed the passion he showed,not afraid to say the wrong thing,he is standing down as an MP.
He got me fired up at any rate.

[joeysteele]

I think its pretty lonely voices that are saying that SNP mps do not have a valid voice, almost the complete majority are saying the Scottish MP's are valid. My point of contention is purely around the lack of a formal agreement. I just don't see that as workable or realistic.

We are sitting here arguing the toss, and the reality may still yet be that labour or conservative get enough votes to go it alone. There is enough margin for error in these polls for that to easily be the case, and the more these intricate details are discussed, the more i think they will become completely irrelevant when the votes are counted :laugh:



Absolutely right.
In 2005, Labour only had 35.2% of the votes and the Conservatives 32.7%.
That resulted in a labour win with 358 seats and a 66 overall majority.
Even with no Scottish MPs then they would have been able to govern probably.

As you say the polls can be wrong and it could be, on this neck and neck basis in the current polls,as to margins of error,that one or the other may well be running at 3 to 5% ahead of the other.
In that scenario, all bets could be off.

With a much weakened Lib Dem party too, and no other party seeming to be near the 20% mark,really who knows.

[bots]

How long before Ukip accept this is more than just a few bad apples? If they want to be taken seriously as a political force they need to have a thorough examination of all their members in any position of influence within the party and where necessary have a complete overhaul

They have 1 acceptable spokesman - Nigel, the rest of them I just don't trust. I would dearly love to make a protest vote, as my constituency is among the safest in the country - looked up the voter value index and it was laughable - but I just cannot bring myself to vote for a party like UKIP that is just so sinister.

In these times of instant communication and social media, the number of authorised spokespeople for each party seems to have reduced further and further for fear of making a mistake or going off message. Everything is way to stage managed, the parties are more frightened of losing than pushing for a victory. It's pretty sickening really, things have definitely not improved over the years.

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/5/5/389770/default/v2/the-sun-front-page-06.05.15-1-720x960.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/5/5/389758/default/v2/telegraph-1-720x960.jpg

[Kizzy]

The Sun has been more virulently opposed to the Labour party and its leader Ed Miliband than it was in the runup to the 1992 election when Neil Kinnock was famously portrayed in a lightbulb on polling day, a study shows.

Research by the Media Standards Trust found that 95% of the leader columns in Rupert Murdoch’s tabloid were anti-Labour ahead of Thursday’s general election, compared with 79% that were judged anti-Labour in 1992.

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/may/06/sun-ed-miliband-neil-kinnock-murdoch-labour

This is clear press bias, anyone who wishes to complain to IPSO here are the details how..

Complaints must be made in writing, and should be made via the IPSO complaints form, here . You will need to provide us with a copy of the article in question (if there is one) and set out how you believe the Editors' Code of Practice has been breached. You are also able to provide any other relevant letters or documents which would help us to assess the complaint. If you have previously written to the publication about your complaint, you should supply copies of the correspondence. Further information is available below about how we will handle your complaint.

The easiest way to make a compalint is via our online complaints form but if you would prefer to submit your complaint by email you can do so by writing to inquiries@ipso.co.uk. Complaints may also be sent via post to:

IPSO
Gate House
1 Farringdon Street
London EC4M 7LG

If you are not submitting your complaint via the online form, please ensure that you have included the following information:

The name of the publication;
A copy of the complete article, if available, and a note of the publication date;
The Clause(s) of the Code under which you wish to complain;
A summary of your complaint, which explains how you believe the article has breached the Editors' Code of Practice;
Copies of all of the correspondence you have had with the publication;
Any other relevant documentation.

https://www.ipso.co.uk/IPSO/makingacomplaint.html

[arista]

"anyone who wishes to complain to IPSO"


You are having a laugh


Feck Me Kizzy - They backed Your Blair


http://i.guim.co.uk/media/w-620/h--/q-95/5ae95d757a560b36014fe95092444c24c2925940/0_0_2559_1536/1000.jpg
This is a work of Art.

[MTVN]

Better all report the Mirror and the Guardian then. Who said the press must be unbiased by law? They've all endorsed different parties for this election after all

[Ross.]

I love how tactical The Sun are being to stop Labour getting in. :laugh:

[Kizzy]

No I'm not joking no, I don't think any other paper has been so dogmatic in it's approach.

David Axelrod, the American political consultant and Obama adviser who has been working for Labour during this campaign, has given an interview to Michael Goldfarb from Politico. It’s well worth reading in full, but here are the key points.

Axelrod says the Tory press in the UK is more powerful and “much more aggressive” than Fox News in the US.
POLITICO: But what about the press? You say it has disproportionate power here. Do you think Britain’s conservative print media is more powerful than Fox News?

DA: Yeah, I do. I do think the parties approach media as partisan players. So you see parties disseminating messages through the print media in a way that is unusual ...

DA: Fox is certainly very conservative, skews to the Republican side, but there isn’t a kind of lockstep between them and the Republicans. Fox tries to drive the Republican agenda more than reflecting it.

Here there are relationships between the parties and media outlets that are deeper so you see a lot of themes being previewed in the media in a way that you don’t see in the states.

[Kizzy]

Labour has got a 13-point lead over the Conservatives in London, according to the Evening Standard.

Ed Miliband enters his final day of campaigning with Labour 13 points ahead among Londoners, according to research conducted by YouGov for the Evening Standard. Labour is up two points in a fortnight to hit 46 per cent — its best share since November 2013.

'David Cameron’s Conservatives are up one point to 33 per cent, while Nick Clegg’s Liberal Democrats are up one point to be third with nine per cent.

The three parties’ gains come at the expense of Ukip and the Greens — both squeezed hard in the run-up to polling day, which could produce some surprise results in key battlegrounds.'

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2015/may/06/election-2015-live-controversial-welfare-cuts-revealed-campaign-final-day

[Kizzy]

I wouldn't say even the Guardian has been that supportive of Labour it is left leaning Lib dem at best.

This is based on the 2010 election, look at newspapers across the board Labour is at a distinct disadvantage with just the Mirror backing them wholeheartedly.



http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2010/may/04/general-election-newspaper-support

[Kizzy]

'O'Donnell says Cameron signed off on rules saying largest party does not automatically form government

On the Today programme this morning Gus O’Donnell (or Lord O’Donnell, as he is now), the former cabinet secretary, made it clear that there is nothing illegitimate about the second largest party in the Commons forming a government provided it can command the confidence of the Commons. Tories are challenging this idea, and it is due to become a central issue of debate after the election.

On the Daily Politics O’Donnell repeated this line and added some new points.

O’Donnell said that David Cameron himself had signed off on the rules that say the government does not have to be led by the largest party.
One thing I should say about the cabinet manual. People keep saying it is my cabinet manual. It is the government’s cabinet manual. It is the cabinet’s cabinet manual in particular, and the preface is there signed by the prime minister, David Cameron.'

What is this cabinet manual..why was it written, were the statutes used by previous governments not sufficient? This govt also fiddled with the length of terms, how was this allowed to happen that whoever is in power can manipulate the existing rules of democratic governance in the UK?

[arista]

Yes under Kizzys View

The Mirror Paper

is breaking her Rules

[Kizzy]

Yes under Kizzys View

The Mirror Paper

is breaking her Rules

I said they supported Labour I did not say that support was not proportional...

[billy123]

Ukip candidate John Leathley apologises after saying female journalist 'needs a shag'

A Ukip candidate standing in Tony Blair’s old seat is facing calls that he be suspended after making "sexist, racist and violent" comments about a well-known female journalist.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/generalelection/ukip-candidate-john-leathley-apologises-after-saying-female-journalist-needs-a-shg-10228028.html

[arista]

I said they supported Labour I did not say that support was not proportional...


Its biased

the same way you say the Sun is
Fact

[arista]

'O'Donnell says Cameron signed off on rules saying largest party does not automatically form government

On the Today programme this morning Gus O’Donnell (or Lord O’Donnell, as he is now), the former cabinet secretary, made it clear that there is nothing illegitimate about the second largest party in the Commons forming a government provided it can command the confidence of the Commons. Tories are challenging this idea, and it is due to become a central issue of debate after the election.

On the Daily Politics O’Donnell repeated this line and added some new points.

O’Donnell said that David Cameron himself had signed off on the rules that say the government does not have to be led by the largest party.
One thing I should say about the cabinet manual. People keep saying it is my cabinet manual. It is the government’s cabinet manual. It is the cabinet’s cabinet manual in particular, and the preface is there signed by the prime minister, David Cameron.'

What is this cabinet manual..why was it written, were the statutes used by previous governments not sufficient? This govt also fiddled with the length of terms, how was this allowed to happen that whoever is in power can manipulate the existing rules of democratic governance in the UK?


Yes thats Logical

[arista]

I love how tactical The Sun are being to stop Labour getting in. :laugh:


Yes its Very Nice
Ross

[arista]

Ukip candidate John Leathley apologises after saying female journalist 'needs a shag'

A Ukip candidate standing in Tony Blair’s old seat is facing calls that he be suspended after making "sexist, racist and violent" comments about a well-known female journalist.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/generalelection/ukip-candidate-john-leathley-apologises-after-saying-female-journalist-needs-a-shg-10228028.html


Thats good then
He has said sorry

[Livia]

Is that right there's an election tomorrow? Why hasn't anyone said anything...?

[arista]

Is that right there's an election tomorrow? Why hasn't anyone said anything...?


Yes I vote at 7AM sharpe

[Jack_]

Yes I vote at 7AM sharpe

Up bright and early to back Ed, that's what I like to see :clap1:

[arista]

Up bright and early to back Ed, that's what I like to see :clap1:


Never .


I Am Conservative
as you well know

[bots]

That Sun front page with Nicola in the background took me back to memories of that classic Patsy Kensit thread :laugh:

[joeysteele]

I do really think the Sun has done the bacon sandwich thing to death,honestly what pathetic journalism it has shown throughout this whole campaign,from the front pages we have had put on here that is, as I never even look at it in newsagents.
This from a paper that in effect branded dead people as murderers,re-Hillsborough.

Who really would even want to take notice of such a stinking publication.

The Mirror hardly any better, I cannot stand either of those papers.
Wouldn't waste my time reading either and certainly wouldn't waste a penny of my money buying either too.

[Kazanne]

That Nicola one thinks she has it in the bag:smug:

[kirklancaster]

That Nicola one thinks she has it in the bag:smug:

That Nicola one IS a bag :hehe:

[Crimson Dynamo]

so excited about tomoz. I am not even having a glass of wine so I can stay up as late as poss

[Kazanne]

That Nicola one IS a bag :hehe:

:joker: kirk,I don't like her:hehe:

[kirklancaster]

:joker: kirk,I don't like her:hehe:

Yes love - I KNOW and nor do I. :laugh:

[joeysteele]

Just to balance things out, I really like Nicola Sturgeon,oddly enough I wasn't keen on her before she became First Minister of Scotland and the SNP leader.

I admire her strength, although by the same token,I can fully understand why many don't like her.
Most of my family in Scotland for instance don't care for her at all.

[MTVN]

Will need to stock up on the Blue Nun for tomorrow night

[Crimson Dynamo]

people dont like a strong woman in politics

look at maggie

Galloway called her "Thatcher in a kilt"

:fan:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Will need to stock up on the Blue Nun for tomorrow night

:nono:

no drink as it will make you sleep


I recall an all night drinking session when Major shocked the UK and won, we fell asleep at the best bit

[Livia]

people dont like a strong woman in politics

look at maggie

Galloway called her "Thatcher in a kilt"

:fan:

That's because without all that makeup, she looks like Dennis.

Give Marsh his fan back!

[kirklancaster]

That's because without all that makeup, she looks like Dennis.

Give Marsh his fan back!

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2: FFS - You are excelling tonight.

[Crimson Dynamo]

That's because without all that makeup, she looks like Dennis.

Give Marsh his fan back!

:fist: I like the fan


that what she said

[Josy]

Was wondering earlier when this would start...SNP supporters pulling out the Braveheart memes all over facebook ****sake :facepalm:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Was wondering earlier when this would start...SNP supporters pulling out the Braveheart memes all over facebook ****sake :facepalm:

take your snp traitor hate elsewhere please

[Crimson Dynamo]

and josy you are needed in the south tower, lord arista awaits

[Josy]

take your snp traitor hate elsewhere please

Dry yer eyes mate

[Crimson Dynamo]

Dry yer eyes mate

:fist: you wont be laughing at the 2020 referendum

[Livia]

It's one of the best things about living in the middle of nowhere, only the most intrepid canvassers make it.

[joeysteele]

Was wondering earlier when this would start...SNP supporters pulling out the Braveheart memes all over facebook ****sake :facepalm:

If you don't like Nicola Sturgeon Josy, there really must be something wrong as to her.

As I said, I didn't like her until she took over from Salmond,then I did but you have me thinking now.

You are not, in my view,someone who dislikes someone without good reason.

[Brother Leon]

Won't even lie, I still don't even know who I am voting for. I'm voting for the sake of it really.

[joeysteele]

Won't even lie, I still don't even know who I am voting for. I'm voting for the sake of it really.

From people I have come across these last few weeks, you are one of a great many in that position.
I hope whoever you choose,doesn't let you down.

[Kizzy]

If you don't like Nicola Sturgeon Josy, there really must be something wrong as to her.

As I said, I didn't like her until she took over from Salmond,then I did but you have me thinking now.

You are not, in my view,someone who dislikes someone without good reason.

Josy doesn't like anyone, ask her who off the forum she likes... it's nobody. :joker:

[joeysteele]

Josy doesn't like anyone, ask her who off the forum she likes... it's nobody. :joker:

:wavey:Aah, I cannot believe that, I really rate Josy.

[bots]

Josy doesn't like anyone, ask her who off the forum she likes... it's nobody. :joker:

Admin are not here to like people :hehe:

[kirklancaster]

Allowing the SNP anywhere near OUR parliament is like making Guy Fawkes Minister For Parliamentary Security and Robert Catesby Minister of Explosives.

I understand Sturgeon's popularity though; like Haydolf, she is a great orator, and her party's loudly self-proclaimed mission to DESTROY the United kingdom fits in so well with a brain-washed Nation's propensity for welcoming with open arms others who have the same objective.

With apologies to ABE:

''Government of the Lunatics, by the Lunatics, for the Lunatics, shall surely perish all the Earth.''

[arista]

I voted
7AM sharpe

[Kizzy]

Allowing the SNP anywhere near OUR parliament is like making Guy Fawkes Minister For Parliamentary Security and Robert Catesby Minister of Explosives.

I understand Sturgeon's popularity though; like Haydolf, she is a great orator, and her party's loudly self-proclaimed mission to DESTROY the United kingdom fits in so well with a brain-washed Nation's propensity for welcoming with open arms others who have the same objective.

With apologies to ABE:

''Government of the Lunatics, by the Lunatics, for the Lunatics, shall surely perish all the Earth.''

Look at my sig and then decide whose policies are more tyrant like... I think you'll find that they fit quite nicely with tory ideology.

[Kizzy]

'Nigel Farage has cast his vote at a polling station in Ramsgate. He’s standing for the seat of South Thanet, the sixth time he has attempted to become an MP.'

I hope he's thwarted again he might get the message.

[GypsyGoth]

I heard that even if he is elected, he might be the only one. Overall ukip will be lucky to get two representatives.

[Shaun]

Shall pop next door to vote later.

Really excited for tonight - it's like the straight person's Eurovision.

[GypsyGoth]

:laugh2:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I heard that even if he is elected, he might be the only one. Overall ukip will be lucky to get two representatives.

no one knows what will happen

[joeysteele]

My real fears in this election are a Conservative overall govt; or a Conservative govt; relying on UKIP and DUP support.

If none or that comes about I can just about live with any other result.

Should the SNP get 45 MPs or over and be the largest party, then they every right to influence and help decide which govt; the UK has,being the 3rd largest party likely in the Commons.

I just hope people get out to vote and will in the end in the months ahead end up being happy with their choice today too.
For me, the choice is Labour so I really hope anyone who wants this govt; gone realises that only voting Labour is more likely to assure that happening.

[Kizzy]

Amen to that Joey, thankyou for all your canvassing and hard work you're a great asset to the Labour party! :)
Everything crossed for today :worry:

[Gstar]

I've got to go to some ratchet primary school by myself to vote :(

[Kizzy]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEKLGtEWMAAkJy1.jpg

Are the tories getting ready to shaft the nation again?... Looks like it :/

[MTVN]

Might just rock along to my polling station at 5 to 10 this evening

[Cherie]

In all honesty I feel like spoiling my vote, whoever gets in will balls up someone's life :idc:

[Kizzy]

In all honesty I feel like spoiling my vote, whoever gets in will balls up someone's life :idc:

Labour policies don't end lives...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2117718/British-people-committing-suicide-escape-poverty-Is-State-wants.html

[Livia]

Except their decision to invade Iraq on a lie. That ended quite a few lives...

[Cherie]

Labour policies don't end lives...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2117718/British-people-committing-suicide-escape-poverty-Is-State-wants.html

In all honesty I couldn't bring myself to vote Labour 5 years ago after the balls up Gordon Brown left, neither could I vote Tory so I went for Lib Dems but they let lots down over tuition fees so won't vote them this time, The Greens policies are a mess, UKIP ..no .. The only canvassers we have had were Tories and that irked me as this is a safe Labour seat so our MP is too lazy to walk the streets it seems, will decide when I get there I think

[Kizzy]

Hmmm tory propaganda emailed to people today via the Telegraph....


The email was sent hours before the newspaper published a front page urging readers to vote Conservative rather than Ukip under the headline “Don’t do something you’ll regret”.
Stating that Thursday’s election is the most important since 1979, when Labour prime minister Jim Callaghan lost to Margaret Thatcher, the email reads: “Do we continue under the Conservatives with the open, enterprise-led economic approach that has underpinned our prosperity for nearly 40 years? Or do we revert to an old-style, ‘government-knows-best’ culture championed by the most leftwing Labour leader for a generation?”

It also says debates about a hung parliament and an SNP “surge” are a “distraction” from a straight choice between David Cameron or Ed Miliband as prime minister.

It concludes: “The Daily Telegraph urges its readers to vote Conservative.”

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/may/07/daily-telegraph-tories-email-david-cameron-labour

[Kizzy]

Except their decision to invade Iraq on a lie. That ended quite a few lives...

I think Ed has made his stance on that clear, we don't have anything as yet to measure his leadership on.

[AnnieK]

Will vote after work tonight....

[Crimson Dynamo]

my snp chaps team just called me to make sure I voted

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/512/amz/vivo/live/images/2015/5/7/tweet-596237250461102080-2.jpg

[Livia]

I think Ed has made his stance on that clear, we don't have anything as yet to measure his leadership on.

We absolutely do have something to base his leadership on. His past record, the same way we'd judge anyone who was applying for a job. He was Chairman of HM Treasury's Council of Economic Advisers under Gordon Brown. The government who left the infamous note saying there's no money left. He can't have a clean sheet because his supporters want that.

[arista]

They were busy at mine Loads
voting Conservative

Not happy with Labour -SNP

[Kizzy]

We absolutely do have something to base his leadership on. His past record, the same way we'd judge anyone who was applying for a job. He was Chairman of HM Treasury's Council of Economic Advisers under Gordon Brown. The government who left the infamous note saying there's no money left. He can't have a clean sheet because his supporters want that.

Yes and that silly peice of paper, the fact the tories dined out on that for the last few weeks even though debunked by their own advisers speaks volumes...
We have nothing to base him as a PM on if you want to be specific.

[Livia]

Yes and that silly peice of paper, the fact the tories dined out on that for the last few weeks even though debunked by their own advisers speaks volumes...
We have nothing to base him as a PM on if you want to be specific.

We have nothing to base his performance as a PM on, no. But we can speculate as to that performance based on his PAST performance in other jobs with responsibility, which has frankly been dire. That's how we choose people for jobs, looking at what they've done in the past and how they've performed.

That silly piece of paper was left by Labour. They thought it was funny. Says more about them than anything this election has thrown up.

[Calderyon]

Good luck on your election tonight. Hopefully you get a good results and the the ones who deserve to be successful will be successful (whoever that is, i don´t know). Also hope that you get a good and stable government that will make good decisions, be stable and thus sit through the whole government period without much hitches.

Remember to vote! It´s your right to do so.

P.S I might look it myself at some point, if it doesn´t clash with the WCH matches tonight.

[Calderyon]

Oh yeah, and hopefully your voting goes accordingly and the one who you vote, does good.

[Kizzy]

We have nothing to base his performance as a PM on, no. But we can speculate as to that performance based on his PAST performance in other jobs with responsibility, which has frankly been dire. That's how we choose people for jobs, looking at what they've done in the past and how they've performed.

That silly piece of paper was left by Labour. They thought it was funny. Says more about them than anything this election has thrown up.

You can speculate all you like, if we were to investigate the dealings of Mr Cameron and the Chipping Norton set what would we find?... Not to mention the dodgy deals of Shapps and Hunt, the threats and lies from BOJO and the human rights violations of IDS :/
The devisive desperation that exudes each time that letter surfaces IS funny.
We're not going to agree so I don't see the point of continuing this conversation in all honesty.

[MTVN]

SNP at it again

596286509629763584

[Crimson Dynamo]

SNP at it again

596286509629763584

lol "reports":joker:


sorry love you are no gonna dae any guid in Scotland so you may as well go past annan and keep goin sooth

[Kizzy]

There's issues in east London too and a police presence at polling stations.

And this...

Britain Elects
‏@britainelects
We've just received word that ballot papers for the Darlington constituency have omitted one or more the parliamentary candidates.
Reply Retweet Favourite
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Bet it's Labour :idc:

[MTVN]

Probably some loon from the Animal Welfare Party or something like that who'd only get about 3 votes anyway

[Livia]

You can speculate all you like, if we were to investigate the dealings of Mr Cameron and the Chipping Norton set what would we find?... Not to mention the dodgy deals of Shapps and Hunt, the threats and lies from BOJO and the human rights violations of IDS :/
The devisive desperation that exudes each time that letter surfaces IS funny.
We're not going to agree so I don't see the point of continuing this conversation in all honesty.

I suppose the difference is that I don't think the Tories can do no wrong and that Labour can do no right. There is good and bad in everyone unless you have blinkers on. So I guess no, we're never going to agree on this.

[Kizzy]

IT glitch causes voting problems in east London and Dorset

My colleague Rajeev Syal reports that voters in parts of east London and Dorset have been told that IT glitches meant they were not registered on the electoral roll, despite many having polling cards.

Also, some Britons who live abroad have complained that postal votes have arrived too late to guarantee they can exercise their democratic rights. Rajeev writes:

Another marginal... how long before #fix trends?

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://www.aawsat.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/1414919240075940100.jpg

The polls open in Josy's housing estate. Tensions run high as the foodbank has run out of Buckfast..

[Kizzy]

I suppose the difference is that I don't think the Tories can do no wrong and that Labour can do no right. There is good and bad in everyone unless you have blinkers on. So I guess no, we're never going to agree on this.

And you presume I think Labour has done no wrong? No that is not correct.

[Kizzy]

Probably some loon from the Animal Welfare Party or something like that who'd only get about 3 votes anyway

hmmmmmm...


More than 480 postal ballot papers have been sent out without the names of the Green and Labour Party candidates.
Labour's Karl Turner and the Green Party's Sarah Walpole were not on the list for the Hull East constituency.
Hull City Council confirmed a printing error had affected a batch of papers and said the mistake affected people who registered to vote after 1 April.
A council spokesman apologised for an "inadvertent mistake" and said the matter was being investigated.
Ian Anderson, the council's acting returning officer for the general elections, said: "We are printing and sending out a new batch of postal votes for those residents who are affected.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32514019

[Livia]

And you presume I think Labour has done no wrong? No that is not correct.

I guess if I'd ever seen one negative post from you about Labour I might not have reached that conclusion, but the clue has been in the words.

[Kizzy]

I guess if I'd ever seen one negative post from you about Labour I might not have reached that conclusion, but the clue has been in the words.

Then you must have missed them Livia, would you like me to compile a list for you?
Best if we discuss the election though for now mind.

[MTVN]

Back to Darlington, it has been confirmed that a Ukip candidate was missed off ballot papers sent to a polling station in the constituency.

Ukip’s David Hodgson was not included on the electoral forms, a spokesman for Darlington Borough Council says.

Around 89 ballot papers - 0.1% of the total number of ballot papers printed - had been handed out to voters before the issue was flagged and corrected

Guardian live feed

[Kizzy]

Guardian live feed

Oh dear.

52s ago
14:09
Darlington’s Ukip candidate David Hodgson has told the Northern Echo his omission from a batch of ballot papers has “knocked me sick”.

He told the paper:

It’s shocking - absolutely terrible and inexcusable. I understand the Ukip office has been informed and will be lodging a protest.

I don’t know what happenened but surely some law has been breached. I’ve not got a clue what happens now but I’m guessing the only way to resolve it is for it to be re-run

[Ross.]

Guardian live feed

It probably wasn't an accident. :hehe:

[Livia]

Then you must have missed them Livia, would you like me to compile a list for you?
Best if we discuss the election though for now mind.

God no, I don't want you to compile a list.

This is all part of an election discussion, of course. Because the general election includes the parties we're discussing. I'm sure you already know that, mind.

[Kizzy]

God no, I don't want you to compile a list.

This is all part of an election discussion, of course. Because the general election includes the parties we're discussing. I'm sure you already know that, mind.

I do, but feel free to project anything you like into my posts always happy to clarify.

[Livia]

I do, but feel free to project anything you like into my posts always happy to clarify.

Just as well.

[Samuel.]

How late into the night/morning will the results still be coming in? Or at least until we have a general idea of who has "won"?

Would like to watch it happen if it doesn't involve missing sleep altogether

[arista]

How late into the night/morning will the results still be coming in? Or at least until we have a general idea of who has "won"?

Would like to watch it happen if it doesn't involve missing sleep altogether



10PM Exit Polls
from what they said going in etc.


Then 2AM


4AM


Great news Paxman is Live 11PM then all night on Ch4HD
with David Mitchel


30mins start at 9PM Ch4HD

[MTVN]

How late into the night/morning will the results still be coming in? Or at least until we have a general idea of who has "won"?

Would like to watch it happen if it doesn't involve missing sleep altogether

They'll come in through the night but the most interesting results will be coming in between about 2am and 7am like Clegg's seat will be about 4.30am and the one Farage is running for at 6am. By then we should also have a decent idea of how all the seats have fallen

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/07/election-2015-a-guide-to-results-night

[Samuel.]

10PM Exit Polls
from what they said going in etc.


Then 2AM


4AM


Great news Paxman is Live 11PM then all night on Ch4HD
with David Mitchel


30mins start at 9PM Ch4HD

They'll come in through the night but the most interesting results will be coming in between about 2am and 7am like Clegg's seat will be about 4.30am and the one Farage is running for at 6am. By then we should also have a decent idea of how all the seats have fallen

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/07/election-2015-a-guide-to-results-night

Cheers!

Better stock up on energy drink...

[arista]

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timeline for tonight

[arista]

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[kirklancaster]

dgT5fSeSWcE

Who is who Arista? :hehe:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Google Search tips Cameron to win election - and Nigel Farage's Ukip will beat Labour and the Liberal Democrats

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3070470/Google-Search-tips-Cameron-win-election-Nigel-Farage-s-Ukip-beat-Labour-Liberal-Democrats.html#ixzz3ZSrc8pQL
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[arista]

Google Search tips Cameron to win election - and Nigel Farage's Ukip will beat Labour and the Liberal Democrats

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3070470/Google-Search-tips-Cameron-win-election-Nigel-Farage-s-Ukip-beat-Labour-Liberal-Democrats.html#ixzz3ZSrc8pQL



Thats So Nice For Kizzy and Joey

[arista]

Who is who Arista? :hehe:


Yes Nice Voice
for Putin Cartoon Next to her

[bots]

Google Search tips Cameron to win election - and Nigel Farage's Ukip will beat Labour and the Liberal Democrats

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3070470/Google-Search-tips-Cameron-win-election-Nigel-Farage-s-Ukip-beat-Labour-Liberal-Democrats.html#ixzz3ZSrc8pQL
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It has Leicester being won by the SNP, so its not exactly fullproof :joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

It has Leicester being won by the SNP :joker:

thats quite a swing

:shocked:

[Tom4784]

Google Search tips Cameron to win election - and Nigel Farage's Ukip will beat Labour and the Liberal Democrats

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3070470/Google-Search-tips-Cameron-win-election-Nigel-Farage-s-Ukip-beat-Labour-Liberal-Democrats.html#ixzz3ZSrc8pQL
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God, what a grim outcome that would be.

[MB.]

Google Search tips Cameron to win election - and Nigel Farage's Ukip will beat Labour and the Liberal Democrats

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3070470/Google-Search-tips-Cameron-win-election-Nigel-Farage-s-Ukip-beat-Labour-Liberal-Democrats.html#ixzz3ZSrc8pQL
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That tells us nothing apart from who's been Googled the most. :unsure:

[kirklancaster]

Thats So Nice For Kizzy and Joey

Yeah arista - And even nicer for me :laugh:

[Livia]

I've been invited to my local count, that's nice... I'll take some tissues for the LibDems.

[kirklancaster]

I've been invited to my local count, that's nice... I'll take some tissues for the LibDems.

And some for the Labourites. :hehe:

[Shaun]

I've been invited to my local count, that's nice... I'll take some tissues for the LibDems.

:joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I've been invited to my local count, that's nice... I'll take some tissues for the LibDems.

make sure you walk around saying..

"123, 124, 127, 333, 345, 62, 111


they hate it when you do that

[Livia]

And some for the Labourites. :hehe:

The Labour candidates, such as they are, don't even bother turning up for the count.

[AnnieK]

Just cast my vote....

[bots]

Leader of Scottish Tories claims 'burly blokes' are blocking voters at polling station as police warn of 'threatening behaviour' by Nationalists
Ruth Davidson claims that a gang has been intimidating non-Nationalists
Tories say police are involved over row in Annan, near English border
Police also issue warnings to all 32 councils over Nats' Operation Scallop
SNP supporters urge people to photograph vote and spy on officials
Some also encouraged to trail lorries transporting papers to the counts


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3071622/Fears-voting-Scotland-disrupted-intimidating-SNP-supporters-plan-arrive-late-follow-counting-staff-police-issue-warnings-polling-stations.html

[kirklancaster]

Leader of Scottish Tories claims 'burly blokes' are blocking voters at polling station as police warn of 'threatening behaviour' by Nationalists
Ruth Davidson claims that a gang has been intimidating non-Nationalists
Tories say police are involved over row in Annan, near English border
Police also issue warnings to all 32 councils over Nats' Operation Scallop
SNP supporters urge people to photograph vote and spy on officials
Some also encouraged to trail lorries transporting papers to the counts


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3071622/Fears-voting-Scotland-disrupted-intimidating-SNP-supporters-plan-arrive-late-follow-counting-staff-police-issue-warnings-polling-stations.html

This isn't 'convert or else' is it? :hehe:

[Crimson Dynamo]

listening to no politics on the radio all day has been purgatory

hurry up 10 pm

[Crimson Dynamo]

Just cast my vote....

Many thanks Anniek


http://www.robertjwilson.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Nigel_Farage__Capture_077.flat_.jpg

[kirklancaster]

The Labour candidates, such as they are, don't even bother turning up for the count.

When I cast my vote this morning at 9 45 am there were simply LOADS of people talking (loudly) in groups about how they were voting UKIP.

[Ross.]

Many thanks Ammi


http://www.robertjwilson.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Nigel_Farage__Capture_077.flat_.jpg

It was Annie not Ammi. :fan:

[bots]

When I cast my vote this morning at 9 45 am there were simply LOADS of people talking (loudly) in groups about how they were voting UKIP.

But all you can hear is the word UKIP, all other words are silent :joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

It was Annie not Ammi. :fan:

:fist: Nigel has had a busy day and is tired

[kirklancaster]

But all you can hear is the word UKIP, all other words are silent :joker:

:joker:

[AnnieK]

:fist: Nigel has had a busy day and is tired

FFs Nigel.....you can't even get my name right...what good are you going to be running the show

[Josy]

Leader of Scottish Tories claims 'burly blokes' are blocking voters at polling station as police warn of 'threatening behaviour' by Nationalists
Ruth Davidson claims that a gang has been intimidating non-Nationalists
Tories say police are involved over row in Annan, near English border
Police also issue warnings to all 32 councils over Nats' Operation Scallop
SNP supporters urge people to photograph vote and spy on officials
Some also encouraged to trail lorries transporting papers to the counts


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3071622/Fears-voting-Scotland-disrupted-intimidating-SNP-supporters-plan-arrive-late-follow-counting-staff-police-issue-warnings-polling-stations.html

Such an embarrassment to Scotland :bored: the images of them shouting in Jims face are really just ridiculous and these are fully grown supposedly mature men too!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Such an embarrassment to Scotland :bored: the images of them shouting in Jims face are really just ridiculous and these are fully grown supposedly mature men too!

yes its like no other party has its share of bampots

:think:

[bots]

If the SNP vote was so overwhelming and positive as its been reported as being, there would be no need for these thugs at polling stations, removing peoples democratic rights. I think the SNP have polled much worse than expected ... we will see soon enough

[joeysteele]

Such an embarrassment to Scotland :bored: the images of them shouting in Jims face are really just ridiculous and these are fully grown supposedly mature men too!

It is, not what should be seen at all.

[joeysteele]

I am not likely to be on here later as I am going to a count.

I am going to stick my neck out and say I 'think' the result will go possibly something like this.
Labour 281 seats,Conservative 275 seats, Lib Dems 24 seats, SNP 44 seats, UKIP 3,Plaid Cymru 4,Greens 1.

[Josy]

yes its like no other party has its share of bampots

:think:

I know right

[bots]

I am not likely to be on here later as I am going to a count.

I am going to stick my neck out and say I 'think' the result will go possibly something like this.
Labour 281 seats,Conservative 275 seats, Lib Dems 24 seats, SNP 44 seats, UKIP 3,Plaid Cymru 4,Greens 1.

Oh, thats a shame ...


I'm going for a solid Tory majority with lib dems losing the most seats, UKIP getting 1 or 2 and labour down a few in Scotland, but nothing like the numbers predicted .... Lets compare notes in the morning :joker:

[Kazanne]

I am not likely to be on here later as I am going to a count.

I am going to stick my neck out and say I 'think' the result will go possibly something like this.
Labour 281 seats,Conservative 275 seats, Lib Dems 24 seats, SNP 44 seats, UKIP 3,Plaid Cymru 4,Greens 1.

Enjoy your night Joey,I'll be watching through the night :wavey:

[Crimson Dynamo]

If the SNP vote was so overwhelming and positive as its been reported as being, there would be no need for these thugs at polling stations, removing peoples democratic rights. I think the SNP have polled much worse than expected ... we will see soon enough

what thugs. the local council posted pictures of outside the pollings tation in question https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEZ9hfWWoAA2MsV.jpg
D&G Council ✔@dgcouncil

@RuthDavidsonMSP No burly blokes outside Annan. Officers and police visiting frequently. No complaints re canvassers.



"Police Scotland and Dumfries & Galloway Council said they are currently looking into the allegations, although The Independent understands that there isn't anything in the claims."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/generalelection/election-2015-voters-intimidated-in-polling-stations-across-scotland-says-ruth-davidson-10232793.html


dont be fooled by election day lies and spin. shame on that tory woman

[Black Dagger]

Come on Labour :clap1:

[Josy]

I'm predicting a tory win

[Crimson Dynamo]

I'm predicting a tory win

i am not sure I think ed had quite a good campaign in the end

[Firewire]

Voted Labour :clap2:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Voted Labour :clap2:

http://getnetworth.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/tony-blair-net-worth2.jpg

thanks Firewire, just dont mention the Iraq war and all the bodies and I think we will get away with it. all the best Tony

[Crimson Dynamo]

i cant take much more business promotion talk on LBC and Formula one on 5 live


hurry up 10pm

[Firewire]

http://getnetworth.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/tony-blair-net-worth2.jpg

thanks Firewire, just dont mention the Iraq war and all the bodies and I think we will get away with it. all the best Tony

It was either Labour or SNP really... and I don't want another 5 years of a Tory government.

[kirklancaster]

http://getnetworth.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/tony-blair-net-worth2.jpg

thanks Firewire, just dont mention the Iraq war and all the bodies and I think we will get away with it. all the best Tony

:joker:

[smudgie]

i cant take much more business promotion talk on LBC and Formula one on 5 live


hurry up 10pm

Should be watching Shark, a perfect warm up act for what is to come.
I am expecting your witty commentary all through the night, with updates every 15 minutes or so.

[reece(:]

What time does results live start? :bonniekiss:

[Josy]

What time does results live start? :bonniekiss:

Think about 3am the results will start coming in

[smudgie]

Here for Sunderland being first to declare..well before midnight.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Miliband just sh1t his pants with the exit poll

[Black Dagger]

Gross

[arista]

Miliband just sh1t his pants with the exit poll


How Very Nice

[Crimson Dynamo]

The SNP going for a Scottish wipe out.

[arista]

The SNP going for a Scottish wipe out.

Utter Bliss

[Crimson Dynamo]

Sunderland at 10.40

[smudgie]

Happy Harriet....not.:laugh:

[Calderyon]

How accurate are these exit polls usually?

[Crimson Dynamo]

How accurate are these exit polls usually?

In 1992 they got it very wrong but lately. Very good.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I am not likely to be on here later as I am going to a count.

I am going to stick my neck out and say I 'think' the result will go possibly something like this.
Labour 281 seats,Conservative 275 seats, Lib Dems 24 seats, SNP 44 seats, UKIP 3,Plaid Cymru 4,Greens 1.

:fan:

[Cherie]

:fan:

I think that fan will be shoved up someones ass before the night is out :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think that fan will be shoved up someones ass before the night is out :laugh:

Sounds like a typical night out round Marshs

[Kazanne]

I think that fan will be shoved up someones ass before the night is out :laugh:

:joker::joker:

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/5/7/390360/default/v1/i-newspaper-1-720x960.jpg

For Kizzy

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/05/07/22/article-3072601-286DA6B000000578-724_964x408.jpg

[the truth]

10 reasons to be happy

1) freedom of speech may soon return now that the evil new labour project is dead
2) we may now continue to grow our way out of bankruptcy
3) debts may finally fall
4) breeding for benefits must end..targeting the healthy workless who choose not to work must now begin
5) more prison places to house the criminals
6) more scrutinising of the EU disasters , they already got a rebate and vetoed a huge bill, next up a European referendum. this WILL happen as the tories must battle UKIP long term or have their votes split
7) more money for the nhs, more power for troubleshooters to expose scandals like stafford hospital etc more doctors and nurses fewer middle management waste
8) working people may now get better access to a new home than the workless and more disposable income
9) lower taxes and lower business rates for small/medium businesses
10) more accountability for corrupt councils who cover up abuses like rochdale

[arista]

[ 1) freedom of speech may soon return now that the evil new labour project is dead
2) we may now continue to grow our way out of bankruptcy
3) debts may finally fall]

Bang On Right

[the truth]

[ 1) freedom of speech may soon return now that the evil new labour project is dead
2) we may now continue to grow our way out of bankruptcy
3) debts may finally fall]

Bang On Right

that's why they call me the truth lol and the truth shall set us freee:cheer2:

[arista]

Kizzys Labour went so far Left & Backwards

More Conservative Voters came out.

And SNP
Killed so many Labour MP's

UTTER BLISS

[the truth]

Kizzys Labour went so far Left & Backwards

More Conservative Voters came out.

And SNP
Killed so many Labour MP's

UTTER BLISS

the ONLY concern for the tories in the longer term is whether ukip will continue to split their vote

in the meantime the tories one on 1 issue above all else, JOBS.
As I stated in another thread everything flows from there, EVERYTHING.
that's is real politik...I just wish the labour supporters would realise that.

[arista]

http://i.guim.co.uk/media/w-300/h--/q-95/ae9ba84876cc37cde32b3a8e0e988d474fe32050/0_0_2560_1536/500.jpg

Joey
I am Happy to say The Sun and Sun Scotland Won It.

[Livia]

Looking forward to three things now... All those calling for proportional representation to realise how many votes UKIP got over all, Miliband trying to put a good spin on this Labour disaster (Hell, yes...) and Paddy Ashdown eating his hat live on TV.

[Livia]

the ONLY concern for the tories in the longer term is whether ukip will continue to split their vote

in the meantime the tories one on 1 issue above all else, JOBS.
As I stated in another thread everything flows from there, EVERYTHING.
that's is real politik...I just wish the labour supporters would realise that.

I think every pundit and academic has already said that UKIP took as many votes from Labour and the LibDems as they took from the Tories.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Miliband to resign tomorrow and Clegg also considering his position. Nigel could go today

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://i.guim.co.uk/media/w-300/h--/q-95/ae9ba84876cc37cde32b3a8e0e988d474fe32050/0_0_2560_1536/500.jpg

Joey
I am Happy to say The Sun and Sun Scotland Won It.

Its The SUn and the DM that are winners plus the Herald in Scotland

[arista]

http://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/nusdigital/page/images/32607/twobythree/General-Election-2015-logo.png


Hello there, it's nearly time for one of the biggest events in Politics this year: THE ELECTIONS. After 5 years of being PM,it may be time for David Cameron (Conservatives) to hang up the keys to 10 Downing Street with either Ed Milliband (Labour), Nick Clegg (Lib Dems) and Nigel Farage (UKIP) along with Natalie Bennett (Green Party) ,Leanne Wood (Plaid Cymru) or Nicola Sturgeon (Scottish National Party) taking his place.

So, who are you voting for, will you be voting and other election questions can be talked about below!


Josh you do not need add (Watch BBC1 now)

We have a TV thread going for all channels , with respect

[Livia]

Miliband to resign tomorrow and Clegg also considering his position. Nigel could go today

Is it too early to pop a cork, do we think?

[Crimson Dynamo]

I am not likely to be on here later as I am going to a count.

I am going to stick my neck out and say I 'think' the result will go possibly something like this.
Labour 281 seats,Conservative 275 seats, Lib Dems 24 seats, SNP 44 seats, UKIP 3,Plaid Cymru 4,Greens 1.



Joey, the National Association of Psychics have revoked your license I am sorry to say


:hehe:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Is it too early to pop a cork, do we think?

i really want balls to fall. Alexander and Smith were brilliant but balls would be the icing

[Crimson Dynamo]

Miliband now ODDS ON to quit today

Burnham or Cooper faves to step up

[Livia]

A Balls fail would really be the icing on the cake.

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://www.benschott.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/trevor-kavanagh-schott.jpg

Former Sun political Editor and all round top journo predicted a Con majority months ago. Well done to him.

[arista]

http://www.benschott.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/trevor-kavanagh-schott.jpg

Former Sun political Editor and all round top journo predicted a Con majority months ago. Well done to him.


Yes Trev is very clever

[Crimson Dynamo]

Simpsons do Scottish Labour



http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/media/images/82846000/png/_82846897_jimmurphy1.png

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/media/images/82848000/png/_82848602_alanpartridge.png

[GypsyGoth]

So Balls lost.

[arista]

So Balls lost.Utter Bliss

[smudgie]

:dance::cheer2::dance: Woooohooooooooo :dance::cheer2::dance:

Shame he couldn't take his wife with him.

[arista]

UKIP
helped Kick Balls OUT

[Crimson Dynamo]

Catastrophe for Labour

You could see it in Balls face last night tbf

He is one useless article, locals say he was never there, they could not get in touch and he never replied to their pleas.

[Crimson Dynamo]

had to happen.

[kirklancaster]

had to happen.

Yes, poor Milliband has lost his Ed and his balls. :cheer2:

[Livia]

I think Nicola Sturgeon takes her hair off like a helmet. It doesn't move at all.

[kirklancaster]

I think Nicola Sturgeon takes her hair off like a helmet. It doesn't move at all.

FFS :joker::joker:

Is she bald underneath.? Has she a sinister agenda to fracture the UK?

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ-xDnBcKTym7IdHt6ASP-G6j71a73d7J45Vbit9V2fa0xdVMiS
NICOLA EVIL STROKES HER PUSSY.

[Livia]

Wow... that is a scary thought! LOL...

I'm going to sleep for a while, didn't get back from the count till 7am. I will be sleeping with a smile on my face though :-)

[Denver]

I must say im dissapointed with the result i dont think i can deal with 5 more years of the goverment given a better life to the rich

[arista]

had to happen.


He can stay there



Kizzy Loves Him

[Tom4784]

Awful results, I don't think anyone that's voted for the Tories truly understand what they've done.

[kirklancaster]

Wow... that is a scary thought! LOL...

I'm going to sleep for a while, didn't get back from the count till 7am. I will be sleeping with a smile on my face though :-)

:laugh: Sweet dreams Liv.

[Crimson Dynamo]

where is Kizzy?

perhaps shopping for a new avatar?

[Crimson Dynamo]

11.30 statement from Clegg. He is heading back to central london as i type......

[Denver]

I fully expect Miliband to leave he seems like a nice man but his brother should have got it, i think labour need a female leader to move forward

[joeysteele]

Yes Trev is very clever

I do consider him a dinosaur,however he predicted even before the crash that Labour would lose the next election under Gordon Brown.
So his experience in politics clearly has some rock solid substance to it,I give him that.

[joeysteele]

I fully expect Miliband to leave he seems like a nice man but his brother should have got it, i think labour need a female leader to move forward

He will go.

This situation Labour finds itself in, requires a really fresh leader now.
I say that as still one of their strongest supporters with a determination to help as much as I can over the coming years.

Any new leader has to also be able to convey clearly the 'hope over fear' message.
No more allowing the 'fear over hope' scenario to win the day.

[arista]

where is Kizzy?

perhaps shopping for a new avatar?



R.Brand
would do for that

[Denver]

Officail Ed Milliband expected to stand down

[arista]

Joey


The Sun Won It

[Cherie]

where is Kizzy?

perhaps shopping for a new avatar?

Kizzy was up all night with MTVN :nono:

[Kazanne]

A Balls fail would really be the icing on the cake.

Get that icing bag out Livia :joker:

[MTVN]

Bye bye Nigel

[arista]

Farage has sadly Lost

Conservatives Won it

[Jay.]

everyone shouting 'bye, cya' :joker:

[MTVN]

Carswell should lead Ukip now if he wants it, be the most capable of overhauling the party and making them a more respectable force

[Ross.]

Oops Farage. :hehe:

[arista]

Don't be so crass


I have Deleted it

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/05/08/07/286F5C4D00000578-0-image-m-146_1431065211300.jpg

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/05/08/10/2872C64D00000578-3073198-image-a-30_1431076423766.jpg

[Alf]

Another five years of Hell for the working class


Another five years of benifits propaganda programmes on channel 4 and 5 to let everyone know that they're to blame and make it easier for them to sanction and starve to death the poorest.

If the wealth of the rich few has trickled down to the poor by the end of their term, then I will eat Paddy Ashdowns hat.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Just been confirmed

the Conservatives HAVE WON

[Kazanne]

Just been confirmed

the Conservatives HAVE WON

:dance::cheer2::thumbs::banana::cheer:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Clegg resigns

[arista]

Clegg resigns


Yes Fair Play to him

[MTVN]

Tim Farron must basically be a shoe in for leader

[Ross.]

I am gutted about Cleggy resigning, probably the only politician I like. :laugh:

[arista]

I am gutted about Cleggy resigning. :sad:


Yes but he is taking responsibility



Labour should as well

[Tom4784]

Bye bye Nigel

At least one good thing has come from this **** show of an election.