TiBB's General Election Discussion 2015.

[Jøsh]

UPDATE:This is now the Politics thread.

[Calderyon]

It seems that the UK practically has a two party system, with only two parties (Conservatives and Labour) to have an actual chance to get the top place in terms of parliament seats, the other getting to be the second and main opposition, with others (little parties) fighting for scraps and a slim to none chance of getting a top spot.

Why is that?

Is it Constitutional or just kind of happened that way?

[Jøsh]

It seems that the UK practically has a two party system, with only two parties (Conservatives and Labour) to have an actual chance to get the top place in terms of parliament seats, the other getting to be the second and main opposition, with others (little parties) fighting for scraps and a slim to none chance of getting a top spot.

Why is that?

No idea, yet when UKIP win the 2014 election,it makes no difference in the general election (well at the moment).

[MTVN]

It seems that the UK practically has a two party system, with only two parties (Conservatives and Labour) to have an actual chance to get the top place in terms of parliament seats, the other getting to be the second and main opposition, with others (little parties) fighting for scraps and a slim to none chance of getting a top spot.

Why is that?

Is it Constitutional or just kind of happened that way?


I don't think its that unusual really for a country to have two main parties. It's pretty much always been the way going back to when political parties first formed in a formal sense with the Whigs and the Tories. The Liberals and the Conservatives basically grew out of these and were the two main parties before the birth of the Labour party who steadily displaced the Liberals as the main second party. The first past the post system we have has contributed to two parties having more dominance but that's changing a bit now, the next parliament will be the most uncertain in decades and either main party will need the support of at least one other to have a majority government

[JoshBB]

The BNP is not even a main party so I do not know why you have even mentioned them.

If I could vote, it would be for the greens.

[Calderyon]

I don't think its that unusual really for a country to have two main parties. It's pretty much always been the way going back to when political parties first formed in a formal sense with the Whigs and the Tories. The Liberals and the Conservatives basically grew out of these and were the two main parties before the birth of the Labour party who steadily displaced the Liberals as the main second party.

Has there ever been a one party only majority or overwhelming majority in the UK? (ie: One party getting more than half of the seats of the parliament)

Cause technically that´s possible.

[Doogle]

I turn 18 a month after the election > : (

I'm torn because I want Labour over Conservative but I really dislike Milliband.

[MTVN]

Has there ever been a one party only majority or overwhelming in the UK? (ie: One party getting more than half of the seats of the parliament)

Cause technically that´s possible.

Yeah it almost always happens, this is actually the first coalition government in the UK since WWII

[user104658]

Has there ever been a one party only majority or overwhelming in the UK? (ie: One party getting more than half of the seats of the parliament)

Cause technically that´s possible.

http://www.politicsresources.net/area/uk/uktable.htm

Shows the %ages going back to WWII.

Blair's Labour held a 60%+ majority for most of his time in No.10

[JoshBB]

I turn 18 a month after the election > : (

I'm torn because I want Labour over Conservative but I really dislike Milliband.

Be careful as to not let media form your opinions for you. Look up some of his speeches and make a judgement of that.

I am neutral towards him .

[user104658]

I turn 18 a month after the election > : (

I'm torn because I want Labour over Conservative but I really dislike Milliband.

You are voting for a political party, not for a president... I think it's important to remember that. Vote based on policies, not based on how much you like or dislike one individual.

[JoshBB]

You are voting for a political party, not for a president... I think it's important to remember that. Vote based on policies, not based on how much you like or dislike one individual.

This is my opinion too. I am not a massive fan of Natalie Bennett, i would have much preferred for either Caroline Lucas to carry on or Jenny Jones take over.. but at the end of the day the leader doesn't have any more of a say than the rest of them.

[Kizzy]

Be careful as to not let media form your opinions for you. Look up some of his speeches and make a judgement of that.

I am neutral towards him .

That's a very fair point, if more let the policies do the talking and not get swayed by petty mud slinging then it would be much clearer.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Remember to vote Ukip as they have pledged to abolish The Lounge and make Tibb close between Midnight and 7 am

[MTVN]

Watch out for the three witches

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/512/amz/vivo/live/images/2015/3/31/b6e263a8-fcf4-499f-8dfa-f02aadf1ea62.jpg

[Glenn.]

Tories>>

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/ukipdev/pages/1069/attachments/original/1427797187/immiposter.png?1427797187

[joeysteele]

I will definitely be voting,I will be voting for Labour and if they don't get an overall majority on their own I would prefer to see a Labour minority govt; supported by the SNP on confidence issues.

My absolute nightmare result would be a Conservative govt; with an overall majority,or a Conservative min govt; supported by UKIP and/or the DUP.

This will then mean in the last 5 years I have voted for all the 3 main parties, the Conservatives/Labour in local elections, the Lib Dems in the 2010 election and now Labour in this election.

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1570538/thumbs/o-NIGEL-FARAGE-LAUGHING-570.jpg

[Kizzy]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CBTRsZBVAAAA15l.jpg:large

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CBTRsZBVAAAA15l.jpg:large

plans to


:joker:

[Kizzy]

Yes and the conservatives plan 12 billion more cuts... what's your point?


Labour outlines '40 days and 40 ways' to change Britain campaign
Labour has detailed a '40 days and 40 ways' to change Britain programme - a policy for each day in the run-up to the general election on May 7th.

'The party's plans include a £2.5 billion Time to Care fund for the NHS, capping rail fare increases, 50,000 more Sure Start places and 3,000 more midwives.

A promise of cancer tests and results within a week, more affordable homes, doubling paid paternity leave and giving football fans a say in how their club is run are also on the list.
Douglas Alexander, chairman of Labour's election strategy, said the voter's choice was between a "failing plan and a better plan for working people".
Labour knows that we only succeed as a country when working families succeed and over the next 40 days we'll be campaigning hard to take this message to Britain's homes, communities and workplaces, setting out our better plan.

Unlike the Tories, who think this is as good as it gets, Labour believes we can do better than this - and we've a plan to make it happen.

– DOUGLAS ALEXANDER
Other policies included on the list are English and maths to 18 for young people, insulating five million homes, a ban on rip-off letting agent fees and 5,000 more homecare workers.'

http://www.itv.com/news/2015-03-29/labour-outlines-40-days-and-40-ways-to-change-britain-campaign/

[Crimson Dynamo]

UK economic growth better than previously thought

:clap1:

The UK economy grew more strongly than previously thought last year according to revised official figures showing gross domestic product (GDP) rose by 2.8%.

The UK's GDP had previously been estimated to have increased by 2.6% in 2014.

Figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) showed growth in the fourth quarter was 0.6%, up from a previous estimate of 0.5%.

UK Finance Minister George Osborne hailed the figures, writing on Twitter: "GDP revised upwards from 2.6% to 2.8% for 2014. Confirms UK as clearly fastest growing major advanced economy."

http://img.rasset.ie/000a48c3-314.jpg

[MTVN]

Will you be buying one of these mugs kizzy?

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/03/29/17/271B963200000578-0-image-a-82_1427644959007.jpg

[Kizzy]

No but I'll be voting labour because I'm not a mug...

'Cameron has refused to rule out taxing disability benefits. He has also hat the Conservatives would try to squeeze more efficiencies from the NHS than already planned. (See 9.21am.)
Paul Johnson, the Institute for Fiscal Studies director, has said the Conservative claim to be able to raise £5bn from tackling tax avoidance is “very flaky”. Only 24 hours after the IFS said Tory claims about Labour tax plans were unfounded, Johnson told Sky News.
Conservatives have said we’re going to get £5bn from tax avoidance measures. Now that’s a very flaky number. Where do you get £5bn from tax avoidance? We don’t know. Given the scale of spending cuts they’ll otherwise require they must be at least thinking about tax rises.'

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2015/mar/31/election-2015-cameron-party-leaders-campaign-trail-live

[Crimson Dynamo]

People will think

hmmm economy is getting better, better stick with what we have than risk it


you watch

[user104658]

People will think

hmmm economy is getting better, better stick with what we have than risk it


you watch

You're probably right, because 90% of people are ****ing stupid enough to believe that our economy is genuinely "on the road to recovery" :facepalm:.

As evidence of this, we have the statements of Cameron and Osbourne themselves, and some dubious and ever-changing figures from the same economic analysts that didn't see the crash coming in the first place. I for one am thoroughly reassured. The Tory policy of raping disabled babies in a satanic money ritual is clearly doing the job, so long may we allow it to continue.

[Crimson Dynamo]

ndSDNUoKnIw

Nigel charming the hags on Loose Women

he is such a nice guy

[MTVN]

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/625/media/images/82023000/jpg/_82023978_cb570102-9626-4605-97f1-8a60959726ae.jpg

[arista]

I turn 18 a month after the election > : (

I'm torn because I want Labour over Conservative but I really dislike Milliband.


You are not alone.


anything can happen
before May 7th
I hope he will not be the leader
by some possible Tragic Event

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://www.libdemvoice.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Screen-Shot-2015-03-31-at-11.24.37.png

[joeysteele]

I am happy the economic figures are marginally better,so they should be after over 3+ years between late 2010 to early 2014 of at best stagnant growth.

It still means in effect, that after the recovery and the growth that was in place when the coaliton took over in 2010,which was then completely eroded by this govts; policies,that although we have some good news now, there is still the fact of playing catch up on those negative years.

With the economy just doing better,then to now put in even more austerity measures and savagely cut even further, that could well stifle this recovery and growth again too once those new cuts start after the election the way they are planned.

A more softer and compasionate approach is what is needed, it may well be that this is when people will turn to Labour in order to get that compassion and a slower action as to policies of cuts,to nurture this growth in place and ensure the recovery continues.
Something this coalition failed badly to do in the same situation in 2010 and who led us into over 3 years of no real recovery and at best miniscule growth figures, always looking over their shoulders at a double dip recession,only just avoiding one too.

Good economic news can be of help to the opposition too,if Labour start to challenge on this issue as to them protecting the growth and recovery just in pace now at long last and way overdue too.
Arguing that more of the same again could threaten all that,yet that is all the Conservatives are offering again this election, more of the same again for enar the same time.

This is still a fragile recovery,long term it is far from assured and it has come at a very high cost for a great many vulnerable in the UK too.
Whether that be from small businesses right down to the individuals who are also sick and disabled even.

If it can be that this growth now in place can be achieved when this govt; has not taken a penny off the deficit for at least 18 months now,then that is good news, it also shows that the deficit does not to be cleared at a crazy pace by even more savage cutting measures.

Nurture the growth, build on that growth and that will ensure the deficit is chipped away at month by month,year by year.
Labour should be welcoming this opportunity to insist they are the ones who could now best sustain this growth, they took over in 1997 when growth was quite good under PM John Major,and they then presided over 11 years of unbroken growth and no recessions in that whole period, an unprecedented post war run of growth without recession.

[the truth]

people don't trust labour at all any more joey, they stopped being compassionate 30 years ago
all labour did was cover things up , introduce endless petty laws, make the rich even richer and the poor even poorer. I cannot even begin to tell you how disgusting they were and how much they disappointed me and millions of others who left the labour party. theyre not socialist, theyre petty thieves and war criminals.
labour need to rid of this clown and all traces of new labour including balls up and harriet haggard ....awfu awful people. total clear out and start from scratch. tax the rich more the poor less, increasing working tax credits make that system way easier and advertise it better to get people off the dole. slash vat to 10% with a promise to abolish it within 10 years. its an enslavement tax. tighten all tax loop holes on the corporations. fight to get unified laws on tax loopholes across the EU and the entire planet. fight for disabled rights, tighten controls on companies exploiting customers, that includes all car manufacturers, all corporations, also monopolies like BT ,sky and RAC

scrap the £60 billion trains stink......we the tax payers pay 60 billion for a privatised rail system and the companies and shareholders take the profits? can no one tell this is 100% corrupt. privatising profits , socialising losses?

labour are as bad if not worse.

trouble is who else is there? clegg? don't make me laugh? all that's left is the nationalist parties or ukip or green peace? no wonder salmond was doing so well

[joeysteele]

people don't trust labour at all any more joey, they stopped being compassionate 30 years ago
all labour did was cover things up , introduce endless petty laws, make the rich even richer and the poor even poorer. I cannot even begin to tell you how disgusting they were and how much they disappointed me and millions of others who left the labour party. theyre not socialist, theyre petty thieves and war criminals.
labour need to rid of this clown and all traces of new labour including balls up and harriet haggard ....awfu awful people. total clear out and start from scratch. tax the rich more the poor less, increasing working tax credits make that system way easier and advertise it better to get people off the dole. slash vat to 10% with a promise to abolish it within 10 years. its an enslavement tax. tighten all tax loop holes on the corporations. fight to get unified laws on tax loopholes across the EU and the entire planet. fight for disabled rights, tighten controls on companies exploiting customers, that includes all car manufacturers, all corporations, also monopolies like BT ,sky and RAC

scrap the £60 billion trains stink......we the tax payers pay 60 billion for a privatised rail system and the companies and shareholders take the profits? can no one tell this is 100% corrupt. privatising profits , socialising losses?

labour are as bad if not worse.

trouble is who else is there? clegg? don't make me laugh? all that's left is the nationalist parties or ukip or green peace? no wonder salmond was doing so well

Obviously that is your view the truth, and I respect you have become so disillisioned as to Labour that you think that way.

However I don't see Labour that way now, I really belive given the chance Ed Miliband will do what he says he will he hasn't gone fare nough for me as to some policies I would like to see but of the 3,he is the one I would now trust most.
He as yet, has not lied to the voters as leader of his party.

You raise the very valid point, under the eclectoral system we have,who else is there that can govern.
As you say, certainly not Clegg, who actually deserves to lose his own seat in my view,for the way he kicked in the teeh those who trusted him in 2010.

I for one, would hate to see and do not want, more of the same austerity measures there ahs been this last 5 years.
So yes, who is there, there will have to be some cuts, everyone accepts that but the cuts on the scale the Conservatives are planning again,in my view are inappropriate and too excessive.

A slower and more controlled way is needed and that is why this time around, I am prepared to try the opposition's way.
It is why among many other areas of policy they have too,Labour has won my vote in this election.
No more cuts for me and when I hear all this supposed good news from the Conseravtives,I am left suspicious as to how strong the recovery really is at this time since they say even more cuts are needed than was the case in 2010.
No thank you, the most vulnerable couldn't manage with more savage cuts like have been done, there has to be another way and I am prepared to see if in fact Ed Miliband will deliver that, and with more compassion in policies too.

You say Labour lost compassion 30 years ago, I actually see a fair bit in its policies in this election, I seen not the tiniest bit of compassion in any of the Conservative party's policies, all I see there are really ugly policies which I think will not work as in fact they really haven't this last 5 years.

I do appreciate and respect your view that you hold too, clearly you have lived under more of both govts; maybe a bit longer than I have and have your reasons from experience of both for being greatly didillusioned with likely the lot of them.

[the truth]

Obviously that is your view the truth, and I respect you have become so disillisioned as to Labour that you think that way.

However I don't see Labour that way now, I really belive given the chance Ed Miliband will do what he says he will he hasn't gone fare nough for me as to some policies I would like to see but of the 3,he is the one I would now trust most.
He as yet, has not lied to the voters as leader of his party.

You raise the very valid point, under the eclectoral system we have,who else is there that can govern.
As you say, certainly not Clegg, who actually deserves to lose his own seat in my view,for the way he kicked in the teeh those who trusted him in 2010.

I for one, would hate to see and do not want, more of the same austerity measures there ahs been this last 5 years.
So yes, who is there, there will have to be some cuts, everyone accepts that but the cuts on the scale the Conservatives are planning again,in my view are inappropriate and too excessive.

A slower and more controlled way is needed and that is why this time around, I am prepared to try the opposition's way.
It is why among many other areas of policy they have too,Labour has won my vote in this election.
No more cuts for me and when I hear all this supposed good news from the Conseravtives,I am left suspicious as to how strong the recovery really is at this time since they say even more cuts are needed than was the case in 2010.
No thank you, the most vulnerable couldn't manage with more savage cuts like have been done, there has to be another way and I am prepared to see if in fact Ed Miliband will deliver that, and with more compassion in policies too.

You say Labour lost compassion 30 years ago, I actually see a fair bit in its policies in this election, I seen not the tiniest bit of compassion in any of the Conservative party's policies, all I see there are really ugly policies which I think will not work as in fact they really haven't this last 5 years.

I do appreciate and respect your view that you hold too, clearly you have lived under more of both govts; maybe a bit longer than I have and have your reasons from experience of both for being greatly didillusioned with likely the lot of them.

miliband has already blown it by asking Cameron to promise not to RAISE VAT when he should have asked him to promise to LOWER VAT.

VAT WAS MEANT TO BE A TAX ON THE RICH ON LUXURY GOODS, NOW ITS ON EVERYTHING, THE POOR PAY IT AND THE RICH JUST CLAIM IT ALL BACK ON BUSINESS EXPENSES. ITS DISGUSTING. it also stops small businesses growing and challenging the established big businesses. its anti competitive enslavement tax. now the poor pay a bigger proportion in tax than the rich and its mainly labours fault.

the mainstream news is a joke a sick joke. the Westminster bubble only talks about the same things, farage, austerity, women only shortlists, milibands appearance its pathetic

what about council waste and corruption? what about the utter failure of the welsh assembly what about the 3000+ petty new labour laws, what about issues like the endless rise of male suicides and fathers rights, what about the disabled? they still in 2015 cant even access half the buildings , most of which do not even have disabled access toilets. Westminster has women only shortlists? why? what about disabled only? poor only? Asian only? these are groups under represented in parliament. no wonder no one fights for the sick and disabled ive only ever seen 1 wheelchair in the building. is that representative of the public 1 disabled person in 650 mps? none in the other 3 parliaments either? the other massive issue is the vats number of mps are simply sons of millionaires

then the roads the police the council the nhs cover ups and abuses and care homes too........in the public sector no one ever gets sacked unless they commit murder it seems. its a disgrace.

labour let the bankers run riot and let them all off scot free...the tories just continued. Obama held them to account in America....he fined them 100s of billions. he tightened up all regulations too and frankly hes done a fine job in restructuring their economy overall. despite the enormous debt , house market collapse 10.5% unemployment he was left with , oh and 2 unwinnable wars....weve barely scratched around the edges. we don't argue moral issues anymore, theyre too spineless for that. we don't fight the real crooks nor do we fight the power , we just go for easy targets

[arista]

Diane Abbott: Labour's 'controls on immigration'
tea/coffee mugs are shameful

Labour is Split over there product

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/29/diane-abbott-labour-immigration-controls-mugs-shameful


Not a Party in unity

[joeysteele]

Diane Abbott: Labour's 'controls on immigration'
tea/coffee mugs are shameful

Labour is Split over there product

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/29/diane-abbott-labour-immigration-controls-mugs-shameful


Not a Party in unity

I cannot speak for all time but I recall loads of rumblings and moaning at Tony Blair from older labour politicians and even some standing as candidates who hated the title, 'new' Labour.
Yet he won 3 elections in a row and with the best set of overall majorites post war too.

Items the parties have are not decided by the leaders or liekly most of the MPs too.
Anyway,immigration is supposed the issue people are most concerned about, so any party advocating stronger conditions to immigration should be seen as doing right in the main.

I would never buy the mug but then I don't like immigration getting so much negative press anyway.

Now please, as to Diane Abbott, she doesn't always talk nonsense but I am pretty hard pressed to find a leader she likes as to Labour leaders.
She has always been a loose cannon.

I prefer to hear parties debating what is right for them and not 'in the open', at least we get that from Labour.
If you think the Conservative party is united, think again, there are a good many in the party hoping Cameron fails in this election so they can get rid of him in an instant when he does.

The same, even moreso with the Lib Dems, who are just waiting to stick the knife in Clegg after May 7th.

Labour is as united on its main issues that any party likely can be,every one of the 3 main parties have massive discontent in them from a good number of MPs and workers against their leaders.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Diane Abbott: Labour's 'controls on immigration'
tea/coffee mugs are shameful

Labour is Split over there product

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/29/diane-abbott-labour-immigration-controls-mugs-shameful


Not a Party in unity

she is so awful. a disgrace to any party

[kirklancaster]

she is so awful. a disgrace to any party

:clap1::clap1::clap1: You bet me to it LT - I thoroughly DETEST this woman and I know detest is a strong word but she infuriates me every time I see the stupid bitch.

I once stopped watching 'Question Time' because I wanted to grab her neck through the TV screen.

[MTVN]

Don't you all bad mouth the great Diane :nono: she is a politician of principles and integrity and has great banter with Portillo and Neil on This Week

[kirklancaster]

Don't you all bad mouth the great Diane :nono: she is a politician of principles and integrity and has great banter with Portillo and Neil on This Week

:laugh: You are living breathing proof MT, that even the most intelligent of men can have appalling 'blind spots'. :joker:

Because Me and LT CAN'T be wrong. :laugh:

[arista]

"Labour is as united on its main issues"


Bollocks it is
shame you do not watch Ch4HD News,.
Joey

[joeysteele]

"Labour is as united on its main issues"


Bollocks it is
shame you do not watch Ch4HD News,.
Joey

I watch all the news programmes arista,I just don't arrive at the same conclusions as you do, either towards the Conservatives who in your eyes appear to mainly do everything right and Labour who can do no right where you are concerned.

I am always happy to listen to, watch and analyse whatever Conservatives say as I do with Labour too and then form an opinion on the whole overall picture rather than have a pre-conceived one although I am looking to hopefully hear of ideas and policies that I can support.

Quite frankly a perfect Saint could be leading Labour but MPs like Diane Abbott still would find fault,she has rarely toed the party line as to anything.

Although I do have to agree with MTVN,she is much better on the 'this week' programme when on with Michael Portillo and Andrew Neill.

I think Labour is pretty much united on its main policies as best as any party can be, you can never carry the whole party with you all the time.
However I would rather see any differences aired rather than be cowardly held back like the Conservatives and Lib Dems MPs and workers are doing as to their leaders.

[arista]

I watch all the news programmes arista,I just don't arrive at the same conclusions as you do, either towards the Conservatives who in your eyes appear to mainly do everything right and Labour who can do no right where you are concerned.

I am always happy to listen to, watch and analyse whatever Conservatives say as I do with Labour too and then form an opinion on the whole overall picture rather than have a pre-conceived one although I am looking to hopefully hear of ideas and policies that I can support.

Quite frankly a perfect Saint could be leading Labour but MPs like Diane Abbott still would find fault,she has rarely toed the party line as to anything.

Although I do have to agree with MTVN,she is much better on the 'this week' programme when on with Michael Portillo and Andrew Neill.

I think Labour is pretty much united on its main policies as best as any party can be, you can never carry the whole party with you all the time.
However I would rather see any differences aired rather than be cowardly held back like the Conservatives and Lib Dems MPs and workers are doing as to their leaders.


Then you will know its more than just
Diane Abbott

[joeysteele]

Then you will know its more than just
Diane Abbott

Indeed it is.
However it doesn't show labour is disunited as to the policies it has in the main, it is about a mug,a badly thought out one but not the crime of the century by any means.

[Kizzy]

“Labour will legislate for a new principle: if you are working regularly, you have legal right to a regular contract. We will give working people more control of their working lives, we’re going to put an end to exploitative zero-hours contracts.

“The next Labour government will ban zero-hour contracts for employees who are in practice working regular hours. This absolute new legal right to a regular contract will apply to workers after just 12 weeks.”

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/31/workers-on-zero-hours-contracts-to-get-regular-contracts-after-3-months


This is why they should win, security and stability, what every employee deserves.

[the truth]

shes always an ignoramous.
as for immigration, its one of the least important issues to me
though I live in a less populated part so it affects me slightly less either way
my main beef is nothing to do with immigration at all, its the state of this country that bothers me and the behaviour of the people.
I have to say too im more bothered by cover ups in the local government and public services than anything else. the nhs the care homes the police even the schools no one gets sacked despite the masses of cruel abuse

[MTVN]

Good news for the Tories having over 100 business leaders sign a letter declaring their support for them

[arista]

Good news for the Tories having over 100 business leaders sign a letter declaring their support for them

Yes after the Labour Bloomberg gig
loads said they would not vote Labour.


They are Anti -Business
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11507586/General-Election-2015-Labour-threatens-Britains-recovery-say-100-business-chiefs.html
http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/3/31/381152/default/v1/telegraph-1-720x960.jpg

http://news.sky.com/story/1456501/more-than-100-business-leaders-back-tories




They want to borrow extra money
to wreck us,
again

[kirklancaster]

Will you be buying one of these mugs kizzy?

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/03/29/17/271B963200000578-0-image-a-82_1427644959007.jpg

Poor old Labour. They have spent considerable time, effort and money on trying to convince the UK populace that UKIP is a big. bad, xenophobic, racist WOLF because of its 'Immigration Control' policies, then after witnessing the increase in UKIP's popularity because of those very same 'Immigration Control' Policies, Labour have quickly donned the 'GRANDMOTHER' clothes and are enticing LITTLE RED RIDING HOOD public to trust them and 'come closer to their re-made bed of Immigration policies' for a 'better look'.

It's all a fairy tale.

But Nige must be pleased, because 'Imitation IS the sincerest form of flattery'.

LMAO :joker:

[joeysteele]

Hardly a surprise but will it really turn out as a boost for the Conservatives, 100 signatures from at least hundreds of thousands and likely millions of business men and women,I think likely not.
Any surprise that Karen Brady and other staunch Conservative supporters is among them. I think not.
Out of them, the whole 100, only 5 were at some time Labour supporters,once you change your politics,it is amazing how hard you turn on your previous loyalties.
I know, I used to be a Conservative supporter,now I will support any action against them, under this particular leader and the heartless cabinet he has chosen to have.

Business leaders who in the main have done really good out of this recession and the really hard times others have had to contend with,thanks to this govt;:
Ensuring they didn't get penailised like someone very ill has been,well no wonder a small proportion of them are happy to sign such a letter for a biased Conservative paper likely even prompted by the Conservative party too.

Imagine a paper printing a leter with signatures from Union leaders as to supporting labour policy, this would be derided in the media overall for the stunt it would be.
Imagine loads of signatures in a paper about the bedroom charge/tax.
Imagine the thousands of signatures there could be from senior people in the NHS too against this govt:


This I feel, could work against the Conservatives with many floating voters, many who are fed up now strongly of business always being protected in the main while the lower end gets kicked about all the time by this govt;

Business has to work with whatever govt; gets elected, it did for 13 years under the last Labour govt; and the banking sector and business too were glad that Labour did not let the banks go to the wall too when the crisis hit 'internationally'.

I for one, am not impressed with this letter,especially in the paper it is in, it is a paper known as the Daily Torygraph,rather then Telegraph.
This could say to voters, that this is a confimation that the Conservatives in govt; will always look after business to the detriment of the harder working lower elements in society and those most vulnerable too.

Whereas with Labour saying they will take action against exploitative zero hours contracts,well that will say more to the voters where they stand.
Odd this letter appears the day that Labour announce they will take action against exploitative zero hours contracts, could it be that some of those business signatories would hate to see that happen because of their continuing greed and disregard for their workers.

I wouldn't be worried if I was Labour about these 100 signatures, treat them like the celebrities that endorse parties too.
It got their names in the paper, however seeing business actually intervene in an election to try to manipulate voters,I think nowadays will not go down well with undecided voters.
No one likes being dictated to.

Seeing business in this tiny list of business people on this signed list or even greater, would not be a surprise to voters, or to workers and those most vulnerable who have seen businesses still rake in profits and those at the top of businees suffering virtually no hardship whatsoever, despite this govts; heartless austerity measures over the last 5 years.

No wonder these 100 signatories want more of the same, they have really done well out of this govt,despite the mass of the rest of the citizens suffering from in a moderate to severe way all through thsi parliament.

It reinforces the battleground in my view.
1)Support the Conservatives who support big business and help protect their endless gread and profits.
even to the detriment as to regular income for their workers.

2)Support Labour for a fairer way for business and workers,and make sure zero hours contracts can never likely be the same again for business to exploit people as to their lives and incomes.

From those 2 choices, I know which side I would rather support and it for sure aint the first one.

[Nedusa]

Poor old Labour. They have spent considerable time, effort and money on trying to convince the UK populace that UKIP is a big. bad, xenophobic, racist WOLF because of its 'Immigration Control' policies, then after witnessing the increase in UKIP's popularity because of those very same 'Immigration Control' Policies, Labour have quickly donned the 'GRANDMOTHER' clothes and are enticing LITTLE RED RIDING HOOD public to trust them and 'come closer to their re-made bed of Immigration policies' for a 'better look'.

It's all a fairy tale.

But Nige must be pleased, because 'Imitation IS the sincerest form of flattery'.

LMAO :joker:

Hang on a minute, Labour have NO controls on immigration none whatsoever, in fact they still believe in uncontrolled immigration and closer integration into Europe which means giving up even more rights and freedoms to a nameless, faceless European Elite..........and paying even more hard earned taxpayers money for the privilege.

The lunatics really have taken over the Asylum.............

Vote Labour....vote for quicker ways to be fully submersed into the EU, vote for a painless end to a 1,000 years of Nationhood...

Vote Labour.........No thanks not in this life

:nono::nono::nono:

[kirklancaster]

Hang on a minute, Labour have NO controls on immigration none whatsoever, in fact they still believe in uncontrolled immigration and closer integration into Europe which means giving up even more rights and freedoms to a nameless, faceless European Elite..........and paying even more hard earned taxpayers money for the privilege.

The lunatics really have taken over the Asylum.............

Vote Labour....vote for quicker ways to be fully submersed into the EU, vote for a painless end to a 1,000 years of Nationhood...

Vote Labour.........No thanks not in this life

:nono::nono::nono:

:conf3: Oh No.... I've been MUGGED by Labour. :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Lady called LBC from France this morning where they have a policy on zero hours there. I think she said after 6 weeks (or months) you have to offer full time employment.

So what they do is sack them and get new people or if they are really good i think she said they let them go and re-employ them

anyway she says its a joke and that she expected that to happen if labour tried it.

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2015/4/1/381161/default/v5/composite-image-showing-business-leaders-1-762x428.jpg
Good Conservative Voters

Yes Labour is Anti Business

[Kizzy]

The people on that list have titles and peerages...who get those? Tory donors.
They've been on such a good thing with the conservatives of course they'll be loathed to see them go.
Will their shareholders want to pay out more of their lovely profits in tax and wages?
Things that actually boost the economy and not just their offshore accounts.

'Labour has hit back at a letter from more than 100 business leaders backing Conservative policies, describing it as a party political stunt and warning one of the signatories, Paul Walsh, that he could damage the political impartiality of the Confederation of British Industry if he pressed ahead with rumoured plans to become its next president.

The attack by Chuka Umunna, the shadow business secretary, came as the chancellor, George Osborne, hailed the letter published in the Daily Telegraph as an “unprecedented” endorsement of the economic decisions taken by the Tory government.

The letter, signed by business leaders in their personal capacity, claimed that any “change in course” after the general election would threaten jobs and put the UK’s'

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/01/labour-dismisses-pro-tory-letter-from-business-leaders-as-party-political-stunt

'David Cameron has presided over an economy with the weakest productivity record of any government since the second world war, the Office for National Statistics said as it revealed output per worker fell again in the final three months of 2014.

In a separate blow to the government, two-thirds of leading UK economists said they believed George Osborne’s austerity strategy had been bad for the economy.'

Well.. How can this be, all these people are making lots of money and are loving conservatism but nothing is actually being generated for the economy..in fact it's worse, how can that be?


http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/apr/01/uk-productivity-growth-is-weakest-since-wwii-says-ons

[joeysteele]

The people on that list have titles and peerages...who get those? Tory donors.
They've been on such a good thing with the conservatives of course they'll be loathed to see them go.
Will their shareholders want to pay out more of their lovely profits in tax and wages?
Things that actually boost the economy and not just their offshore accounts.

'Labour has hit back at a letter from more than 100 business leaders backing Conservative policies, describing it as a party political stunt and warning one of the signatories, Paul Walsh, that he could damage the political impartiality of the Confederation of British Industry if he pressed ahead with rumoured plans to become its next president.

The attack by Chuka Umunna, the shadow business secretary, came as the chancellor, George Osborne, hailed the letter published in the Daily Telegraph as an “unprecedented” endorsement of the economic decisions taken by the Tory government.

The letter, signed by business leaders in their personal capacity, claimed that any “change in course” after the general election would threaten jobs and put the UK’s'

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/01/labour-dismisses-pro-tory-letter-from-business-leaders-as-party-political-stunt

'David Cameron has presided over an economy with the weakest productivity record of any government since the second world war, the Office for National Statistics said as it revealed output per worker fell again in the final three months of 2014.

In a separate blow to the government, two-thirds of leading UK economists said they believed George Osborne’s austerity strategy had been bad for the economy.'

Well.. How can this be, all these people are making lots of money and are loving conservatism but nothing is actually being generated for the economy..in fact it's worse, how can that be?


http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/apr/01/uk-productivity-growth-is-weakest-since-wwii-says-ons


A Labour govt; could ruin the recovery they say,what short memories they all have.

It is this govt; that ruined a recovery in place and eroded the growth in place at that time too in 2010 when they took over.
For 3+ years afterwards we had virtually no recovery and no growth at all.

That is the track record of this govt; and I wouldn't be surprised to hear of this recovery and growth not being as good as is being depicted by the Conservatives and that after the election,we may even see again, a fallback for a time, especially when they set out on their savage cutting programme again,like they did last time.

Quite frankly I doubt after these last 5 years that people,(floating voters especially),will take very kindly to this 'intervention' and being dicated to by business in this way as to who to vote for.
The more the Conservatives are only seen as the party of the rich and powerful the better in my view,so bring it on.
It didn't succeed for Cameron in 2010 and I doubt it will in May now either, even moreso.

[MTVN]

Well I think it's hard to quantify really how much our economy was recovering even if we were going into the election on the back of two or three quarters of tentative growth. Labour also love to remind people that 2007 saw a worldwide recession which was apparently none of their fault, if we allow for that we also have to allow for how volatile the global economy was in the early days of the Coalition. The government has had to steer through some incredibly choppy waters, particularly the Eurozone crisis really blew up from around when they came to power. Mistakes aplenty have been made by this government but the UK has come out the other side of the last few years of economic turmoil in a lot better shape than most of Europe.

[Kizzy]

I think the economists will have offset that, it does not however explain why they are lying about borrowing, massaging employment figures and inventing economic growth.

[Crimson Dynamo]

How do the other euro countries view the UK economy?

[Vicky.]

People will think

hmmm economy is getting better, better stick with what we have than risk it


you watch

Really? We keep being told everythings getting better, wages are up, more in employment and such. But a quick look around people I know, not one is feeling this supposed recovery/ Everyone seems a lot worse off, and thats before even getting to those on benefits. My mums wages have been frozen for years whilst everything else has gone up. My brother is plonked on a 0 hour contract with no work at all but is classed as employed as he has a contract... You may feel the results of this recovery if you have millions, but normal people..not a chance.

[joeysteele]

Really? We keep being told everythings getting better, wages are up, more in employment and such. But a quick look around people I know, not one is feeling this supposed recovery/ Everyone seems a lot worse off, and thats before even getting to those on benefits. My mums wages have been frozen for years whilst everything else has gone up. My brother is plonked on a 0 hour contract with no work at all but is classed as employed as he has a contract... You may feel the results of this recovery if you have millions, but normal people..not a chance.

A really great number of voters are in those situations you point out Vicky or know others that are.

As you say, in the real world not the boardrooms and the elite as to society that is what is felt and seen by large numbers of voters.

If those voters cast their votes wisely, they can end this stagnation there has been for near 4 or the 5 years this govt; has been in power.


Hi MTVN, you do make good points as ever, however I recall us being told by the Conservatives in 2010, that the cuts they planned to make had to be done, and had to be done from the first year to ensure success for their targets and to clear the deficit but also to combat anything that may come from problems in the Eurozone too.
As Kizzy said, they planned for that in the more than necessary severe austerity cuts and still failed.

In 2008 however, being fair not just to Labour in the UK but also to all govts; around the World.
None of them, not even in the USA, saw the financial crisis coming that eventually hit and brought a deep recession to many countries.
Since also, the then Conservative opposition under David Cameron, was calling at that time for the banks to be 'less' regulated than they were under labour, that recession and crisis could then have been even worse had they been in power then.

I still say too, (possibly with the exception of Northern Rock in the North), the Conservatives would have had to and would have done so too,as to bailing the rest of the banks out too,just as the then Labour govt; did.

Leaving a crisis to sort out no matter which of them had been in power.

[Kizzy]

How do the other euro countries view the UK economy?

That is entirely irrelevant, it's our economy that's in discussion. One of the richest countries in the western world, where almost 1 million people currently rely on foodbanks, record amounts of children live in poverty, the worst since the 1920s.

'The Social Mobility and Child Poverty (SMCP) Commission today publishes its
assessment of the UK government’s draft child poverty strategy. The Commission’s assessment finds that 3.5 million children will be in absolute poverty- almost 5 times the number needed to meet the government’s legal obligation to end child poverty by 2020 - and that the government lacks any credible plan to get back on track.

The Commission concludes that the government’s draft child poverty strategy 2014 to 2017 is a missed opportunity and falls far short of what is needed. The Commission recognises there are some good things in the strategy - such as the extension of childcare support for low-income families and greater acknowledgement of the problem of working poverty than there was in the last strategy - but believes they will not be enough to prevent child poverty rising over the next few years, let alone to deliver the
large reductions in poverty needed to meet the 2020 targets.'

http://www.parliament.uk/business/publications/research/briefing-papers/SN05585/child-poverty-act-2010-a-short-guide

[Crimson Dynamo]

That is entirely irrelevant, it's our economy that's in discussion. One of the richest countries in the western world, where almost 1 million people currently rely on foodbanks, record amounts of children live in poverty, the worst since the 1920s.

'The Social Mobility and Child Poverty (SMCP) Commission today publishes its
assessment of the UK government’s draft child poverty strategy. The Commission’s assessment finds that 3.5 million children will be in absolute poverty- almost 5 times the number needed to meet the government’s legal obligation to end child poverty by 2020 - and that the government lacks any credible plan to get back on track.

The Commission concludes that the government’s draft child poverty strategy 2014 to 2017 is a missed opportunity and falls far short of what is needed. The Commission recognises there are some good things in the strategy - such as the extension of childcare support for low-income families and greater acknowledgement of the problem of working poverty than there was in the last strategy - but believes they will not be enough to prevent child poverty rising over the next few years, let alone to deliver the
large reductions in poverty needed to meet the 2020 targets.'

http://www.parliament.uk/business/publications/research/briefing-papers/SN05585/child-poverty-act-2010-a-short-guide

It is relevant as an independent view of another large country will be illuminating

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://money.cnn.com/2015/04/01/news/economy/uk-elections-business-conservative-labour-brexit/

"Britain has one of the fastest growing economies in the world, and is creating jobs at a record pace. "


Interesting article and the video shows that CNN see the UK economy as on the right path

[Kizzy]

It is relevant as an independent view of another large country will be illuminating

It wouldn't have any baring on what was, is or will be happening in our country however. Why would the opinion of someone outside the UK matter more or have more relevance than those living in it?

[Crimson Dynamo]

It wouldn't have any baring on what was, is or will be happening in our country however. Why would the opinion of someone outside the UK matter more or have more relevance than those living in it?

If the big ones like Germany all said yes the UK is doing really well I think people would take notice

[Kizzy]

http://money.cnn.com/2015/04/01/news/economy/uk-elections-business-conservative-labour-brexit/

"Britain has one of the fastest growing economies in the world, and is creating jobs at a record pace. "


Interesting article and the video shows that CNN see the UK economy as on the right path

Are CNN news UK economists now, what do they see that two thirds of our analysts don't?

[Kizzy]

If the big ones like Germany all said yes the UK is doing really well I think people would take notice

Well we could chatter what ifs and other hypotheticals all day... best stick to what we know as fact.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Are CNN news UK economists now, what do they see that two thirds of our analysts don't?

are they the analysts that did not see the financial crisis coming?

:idc:

[Kizzy]

Did CNN predict the financial crisis?..
Anyhoo the thread is spinning off into the realms of fantasy here, as a UK resident I would not trust the conservatives to complete another term in government.

[hijaxers]

Don't you all bad mouth the great Diane :nono: she is a politician of principles and integrity and has great banter with Portillo and Neil on This Week

Don't make me laugh she made a proper exhibition of herself the week before last !
Personally i can never understand a word she saying - why the hell did she not get her adenoids sorted ???

Also the dough she's on you would think she could afford a decent weave !!

[hijaxers]

If the big ones like Germany all said yes the UK is doing really well I think people would take notice

Oh yes we are doing so well - most people are 70p a week better off - not bad in 4 yrs eh ????

[Kizzy]

George Osborne is in Leeds today... I thought the sky had gone a bit black :/

[Kizzy]

xdwufKcUCUw

[joeysteele]

Is anyone else of the opinion I have at present as to the party election broadcasts,they are in my opinion dire at best.It almost leaves you wondering does any party really want to win this election.

AS for the Lib Dem one tonight, for goodness sake, moaning at the Conservatives cuts,well who has been part of this govt; voting for and supporting in parliament those cuts.
The Lib Dems cannot condemn the Conservatives ofr these cuts, none, I repeat 'none' of them could have got through parliament without the votes of the Lib Dems.

The Lib Dems for sure must think the voters are stupid and gullible if they think they can shift the blame just on the Conservatives for the cuts.
Unbelievable hypocrisy.

[Vicky.]

If jobs are being created at record pace, where are they? Still round here theres 100+ applicants for every (real) position. No as much competition for the commission only jobs though which apparently people should be snapping up.

[arista]

If jobs are being created at record pace, where are they? Still round here theres 100+ applicants for every (real) position. No as much competition for the commission only jobs though which apparently people should be snapping up.



Its getting better every day


100 Top Business Leaders today
many backed New Labour on that list
but now back the Best
Conservative

Fact

Ref: Ch4HD News Live

[Vicky.]

Its getting better every day


100 Top Business Leaders today
many backed New Labour on that list
but now back the Best
Conservative

Fact

Ref: Ch4HD News Live

Not here, or for anyone I know. Maybe in London?

[arista]

Not here, or for anyone I know. Maybe in London?



Sure more in the South
thats just one of those things
at this time

[Vicky.]

Sure more in the South
thats just one of those things
at this time

No, always. Aslong as things are hunky dory in london...who gives a **** about anyone else...

[the truth]

[QUOTE=Kizzy;7674331]The people on that list have titles and peerages...who get those? Tory donors.

theres loads of labour donors too , including john Prescott who was celebrated as a hero by new labour members when he punched someone, yet Jeremy Clarkson was vilified
They've been on such a good thing with the conservatives of course they'll be loathed to see them go.

neither labour or tories have done a thing for small business, they've done nothing in fact, rates are as crazy high as always and labour councils always have more car parking charges which damage small businesses....

there is also far more money spent on speed bumps , speed cameras in labour councils.....the downside of that is the enormous damage is does to the vehicles making them more dangerous and creating enormous congestion and ruining local economies....under labour though the gap between rich and poor grew bigger than for 200 years, thus exposing them as the fake charlatans they are.

Will their shareholders want to pay out more of their lovely profits in tax and wages?
Things that actually boost the economy and not just their offshore accounts.

labour nor the tories have closed enough loop holes. but a profit is the target of all busiensses, ambition isn't wrong it should be encouraged, especially small businesses who are really struggling and offer personalised service
'Labour has hit back at a letter from more than 100 business leaders backing Conservative policies, describing it as a party political stunt and warning one of the signatories, Paul Walsh, that he could damage the political impartiality of the Confederation of British Industry if he pressed ahead with rumoured plans to become its next president.

labour can only hit back by getting 100s of businesses, small businesses to sign a petition too
The attack by Chuka Umunna, the shadow business secretary, came as the chancellor, George Osborne, hailed the letter published in the Daily Telegraph as an “unprecedented” endorsement of the economic decisions taken by the Tory government.

chukka is an idiot, hes never a straight question in his life. he should be more concerned with putting labours affairs in order and trying to figure out why they bankrupted the country again
The letter, signed by business leaders in their personal capacity, claimed that any “change in course” after the general election would threaten jobs and put the UK’s'

the economy needs to serve small business not huge corporate monopolies.
new labour privatised profits and socialized losses of corporate giants. that's simply disgusting immoral in every way. the tories have carried on. theyre as bad as each other in that regard. but new labour hammered the working man with endless stealth taxes, endless burocracy and redp tape and over 3000 new mostly petty laws....they didn't tax the rich any more until their last few months , gimmick politics to the end, shameful
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/01/labour-dismisses-pro-tory-letter-from-business-leaders-as-party-political-stunt

'David Cameron has presided over an economy with the weakest productivity record of any government since the second world war, the Office for National Statistics said as it revealed output per worker fell again in the final three months of 2014.

that is interesting ill read more into that.

In a separate blow to the government, two-thirds of leading UK economists said they believed George Osborne’s austerity strategy had been bad for the economy.'

again that's worth a read. I think their biggest failure has been in not over hauling totally the local governments and how they operate. particularly how they waste deliberately in order to ensure they get the same funding next tax year....this is simply insane...prudent councils should be rewarded not wasteful ones, the opposite is now the case...so we see the roads destroyed and waste everywhere
Well.. How can this be, all these people are making lots of money and are loving conservatism but nothing is actually being generated for the economy..in fact it's worse, how can that be?

the tories have been lazy sloppy and complacent. as always they've been stuck in their Westminster bubble
Obama in America has built his economy better in many areas...hes hammered the bankers rightly but hes made enormous advacnces in the middle classes and huge advances in small business growth

THE BIGGEST CRIME OF ALL IS VAT....ITS A FCKING DISGUSTING VILE IMMORAL TOTALLY UNJUSTIFIABLE ENSLAVEMENT TAX....IT WAS MEANT TO BE A TAX ON LUXURY GOODS FOR THE RICH....BROUGHT IN BY LABOUR DOUBLED UNDER THATCHER NOW ITS 20%? THE IDIOTIC MILIBAND MISSES THE WHOLE POINT AND ASKS WILL YOU PROMOSE NOT TO RAISE VAT....WHY DIDNT HE ASK WILL YOU PROMISE TO DROP VAT? FOR ME HE LOST THE ELECTION IN THAT MOMENT.


where the tories are ahead is unemployment, gdp overall, inflation, Europe and the nhs.......the fact is they've exposed the enormous waste and corruption in the private sector which labour would always cover up to keep the unions in their pocket.id trust the tories with the nhs more than new labour.

miliband isn't the man frankly hes an idiot...which means tory coalition again

will new labour become labour by 2020 , goodness I hope so

[arista]

No, always. Aslong as things are hunky dory in london...who gives a **** about anyone else...


I need to take you and your family
to Dinner in London

[Vicky.]

I need to take you and your family
to Dinner in London

I have never been to london. Gav has though and says its scary, so no thanks :laugh:

[arista]

I have never been to london. Gav has though and says its scary, so no thanks :laugh:


Its Not Scary.
he must be pulling your leg

[Vicky.]

Its Not Scary.
he must be pulling your leg

No, he says the only time he went...noone pays any attention to you at all. Like up here you walk past someone and smile, there they completely blank you. They constantly walk into you. The tube is horrific. Someone actually pushed his child out of the way next to a road...etc etc.

Not the kind of place I want to go to D:

[arista]

No, he says the only time he went...noone pays any attention to you at all. Like up here you walk past someone and smile, there they completely blank you. They constantly walk into you. The tube is horrific. Someone actually pushed his child out of the way next to a road...etc etc.

Not the kind of place I want to go to D:


Fair Enough
its a Very Busy City
but has some great places to eat.

[Livia]

Some of the poorest boroughs in the country are in London.

[arista]

Some of the poorest boroughs in the country are in London.


Thats true as well.

[joeysteele]

No, he says the only time he went...noone pays any attention to you at all. Like up here you walk past someone and smile, there they completely blank you. They constantly walk into you. The tube is horrific. Someone actually pushed his child out of the way next to a road...etc etc.

Not the kind of place I want to go to D:

I really love the history of London and sightseeing there,thankfully I have friends there who I was at Uni with who I visit when I go.
However I have found it to be,and my friends do too, although a highly populated massive city, a place you can really feel alone in.

Your Gav is spot on as to it Vicky.

[the truth]

Thats true as well.

at least though theyre close to a thriving market place...whether they can find decent employment there is another question

[Kizzy]

I'm posting this as I think it's important to show exactly how and why a candidate has your support, not just what you read in the media.

'Edward Miliband MP, Doncaster North voted in favour of introducing a penalty regime for the general anti-abuse rule and in favour of other measures intended to reduce tax avoidance.

The majority of MPs voted against introducing a penalty regime for the general anti-abuse rule and against other measures intended to reduce tax avoidance.

The motion rejected by the majority of MPs taking part in this vote stated:

That this House
notes with concern that following the revelations of malpractice at HSBC bank, which were first given to the Government in May 2010, just one out of 1,100 people who have avoided or evaded tax have been prosecuted;
calls upon Lord Green and the Prime Minister to make a full statement about Lord Green’s role at HSBC and his appointment as a Minister;
regrets the failure of the Government’s deal on tax disclosure with Switzerland, which has raised less than a third of the amount promised by Ministers;
welcomes the proposals of charities and campaigning organisations for an anti-tax dodging Bill; and
further calls on the Government to clamp down on tax avoidance by introducing a penalty regime for the general anti-abuse rule, which is currently too weak to be effective, closing the Quoted Eurobonds exemption loophole, ensuring that hedge funds trading shares pay the same amount of tax as other investors, introducing deeming criteria to restrict false self-employment in the construction industry, and scrapping the shares for rights scheme, which the Office for Budget Responsibility has warned could cost £1 billion in avoidance.'

What is the 'shares for rights' scheme?..... oh dear....isn't this what happened before the royal mail sell off, they gave posties a few shares for their workers rights and then privatised it ensuring nobody had the right to a full redundancy package or pension?

'Businesses will be allowed to remove "gold-plated employment rights" in exchange for handing out shares to employees which will be exempt from tax, George Osborne has said.'

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2012/oct/08/george-osborne-shares-rights-scheme

http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/division.php?date=2015-02-11&number=154&mpn=Edward_Miliband&mpc=Doncaster_North&house=commons

[Kizzy]

'The tax scandal uncovered at HSBC is one that even the most imaginative conspiracy theorist would struggle to concoct. The Swiss arm of Europe’s largest bank is accused of having colluded with wealthy clients for years to allow them to shield undeclared accounts from their domestic authorities. Detailed information was passed to HMRC in 2010; 1,100 British citizens are thought to have been involved.
Five years later, just one prosecution has resulted. Contrast that with the 1,046,398 sanctions, or financial penalties, imposed on Jobseeker’s Allowance claimants in 2013, or the nearly 200,000 prosecutions of people who failed to buy a television licence. As the tax campaigner Richard Murphy put it: “To the wealthiest criminals and their assistants within the financial system go the rewards and the plaudits. To everyone else goes intimidation and persecution.”

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/02/leader-stench-corruption-hsbc-reminder-tax-havens-must-be-closed

[Jøsh]

This is a General Election that is splitting up EVERYONE.
I bet will it go on for a 5 Day fudge like the pathetic new Labour Brown did..

(Thanks for arista for helping me with the post!)

[Crimson Dynamo]

I got my voting card today!

[arista]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

xdwufKcUCUw

Brilliant ploy :hehe:

get an actor who is a millionaire and is rarely in the UK to pretend to be working class and normal and tell people who are not rich to do something that he has been told to say


that is pure dead brilliant

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This is a General Election
that is splitting up everyone
will it go on for a 5 Day Fudge like
Pathetic New Labour Brown did

With respect, will you be saying that in the case of another hung parliament if David Cameron stays in Downing Street for the time he needs until it is clear whether he can form any kind of govt; or not.

The present PM cannot really resign until there is a govt; that can be recommended to the Queen.
Until it was clear that Cameron had the support of the Lib Dems in 2010, there was no way he could be sent for to attempt to form a govt;

That could easily be the same situation that Cameron could find himself in until it is clear if Labour can then form a govt; with overall majority support from one or more than one other party.
That is what 'has' to happen in such occurrences.

[Jack.]

So annoyed that the general election is on the 7th and I'm 18 on the 8th

[JoshBB]

So annoyed that the general election is on the 7th and I'm 18 on the 8th

I would be sooooo annoyed omg

[joeysteele]

So annoyed that the general election is on the 7th and I'm 18 on the 8th

What a sickener. Especially if you would have loved to be able to vote.

[Kizzy]

Aw Jack :(

[Kizzy]

Nicola Sturgeon wants Ed to commit to her to lock Cameron out of westminster.

In terms that will enrage many MPs, Sturgeon throws down the gauntlet to the Labour leader, saying: “If together our parties have the parliamentary numbers required after 7 May, and regardless of which is the biggest party, will he and Labour join with us in locking David Cameron out of Downing Street?”

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/04/sturgeon-offers-new-deal-to-miliband

[Vicky.]

So annoyed that the general election is on the 7th and I'm 18 on the 8th

Aw god I would be so pissed off with that :laugh:

[arista]

With respect, will you be saying that in the case of another hung parliament if David Cameron stays in Downing Street for the time he needs until it is clear whether he can form any kind of govt; or not.

The present PM cannot really resign until there is a govt; that can be recommended to the Queen.
Until it was clear that Cameron had the support of the Lib Dems in 2010, there was no way he could be sent for to attempt to form a govt;

That could easily be the same situation that Cameron could find himself in until it is clear if Labour can then form a govt; with overall majority support from one or more than one other party.
That is what 'has' to happen in such occurrences.


For me its simple
its down to clear numbers.


I got Very Angry with
New Labour Brown
he had no right to stay there that long
we the People
Never Ever Voted him in.

New Labour were less that Conservatives
big numbers,
so he should have Gone the next day
and the LibDem would jump when we
demand.


This time
5 years later
there are UKIP MP's
that can increase


Greens that will not
The Welsh Lady - Good Luck to her -better than Labour
SNP - Great Lady - Kill the Labour MPs


And your Labour is Neck and Neck



I had predicted a new Conservative/LibDem Power
long before 2010 on this Forum.



Feel The Force

[Jøsh]

Can a mod sticky the thread?

[Jøsh]

We do not Bump here


Say something


Like

This is a General Election
that is splitting up everyone
will it go on for a 5 Day Fudge like
Pathetic New Labour Brown did

Just edited it sir.

[joeysteele]

For me its simple
its down to clear numbers.


I got Very Angry with
New Labour Brown
he had no right to stay there that long
we the People
Never Ever Voted him in.

New Labour were less that Conservatives
big numbers,
so he should have Gone the next day
and the LibDem would jump when we
demand.


This time
5 years later
there are UKIP MP's
that can increase


Greens that will not
The Welsh Lady - Good Luck to her -better than Labour
SNP - Great Lady - Kill the Labour MPs


And your Labour is Neck and Neck



I had predicted a new Conservative/LibDem Power
long before 2010 on this Forum.



Feel The Force

I think under the constitution you will find he had every right to stay there and although he virtually had no chance at all of remaining the govt;

He could have even prepared a Queens speech to be put to parliament and call the bluff of all other parties since no one had an overall majority.
Had that Queen's speech then been voted against,then it could have been the time to allow Cameron to try to forge a govt; where a Queen's speech could be then voted for.

We don't elect PMs arista, the parties elect their leaders,even if Cameron or Clegg had lost their individual seats,in the end there still would have been a Conservative led coalition with a new leader or new Lib Dem leader, without going back to the voters at all.
Only the constituencies the leaders stand for election in, elect them,just as they do every other MP.

[arista]

"We don't elect PMs arista, the parties elect their leaders,"


You know what I am talking about
John Major took over from Thatcher
and still beat the Welsh wind bag (a Election)
so the public Backed him.



Brown took over from War Monger Blair
but never had a Snap Election
so he was Never a Proper Voted in
by us as the PM
Fact.

[Kizzy]

'These are the full quotes from Cameron when he was asked about lowering the 45p top rate of income tax earlier by Sky News in Witney, Oxfordshire.

It’s not our policy, it’s not our plan. Our plan is to raise to £12,500 the basic rate threshold so we take another million people out of income tax altogether and cut tax for 30 million people. That’s the plan. We’re also going to raise the 40p threshold to £50,000 because too many middle-income families are being pulled into that tax rate. Those are our plans and they are the ones we’ll pursue.'

Look at cameron trying to be all things to all men....pathetic!

[Jøsh]

Thanks to whoever stickied the thread.

[joeysteele]

"We don't elect PMs arista, the parties elect their leaders,"


You know what I am talking about
John Major took over from Thatcher
and still beat the Welsh wind bag (a Election)
so the public Backed him.



Brown took over from War Monger Blair
but never had a Snap Election
so he was Never a Proper Voted in
by us as the PM
Fact.

Well by the same token, Sir Alec Douglas-Home took over from Harold Mcmillan but never had an election until the very last minute which he then lost in 1964.
So was Alec Douglas-Home too not a legitimate PM in your eyes too then,if not then why not since the scenario is almost the same with Gordon Browns,except Harold Wilson and Labour got a tiny overall majority in that election, unlike David Cameron and the Conservatives in 2010.

In fact Winston Churchill stood down for Anthony Eden to take over before the election of 1955, then Anthony Eden stood down for harold Mcmillan to take over and he fought an election in 1959.

Then again as to Margaret Thatcher, she led her party to 3 election victories,thereby endorsed by the voters but the Conservative party,disgracefully and shamelessly the way they did so in my view, not the voters.

However John Major deposed Thatcher in 1990, he didn't call an election either until the very last minute in 1992, no snap election there either after a change of leader.

[arista]

Yes but Brown
never ever got English voters backing him.

He should never have wasted 5 days
that was a Outrage

[Jøsh]

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/2541034/thumbs/o-UKIP-SOUNDBITE-GENERATOR-570.jpg?6
Just pick 1 phrase from each 'column',then post the outcome in order (Col 1,2,3).

Mine is 'The BBC is turning our grandchildren into sluts.'

[joeysteele]

Yes but Brown
never ever got English voters backing him.

He should never have wasted 5 days
that was a Outrage

Well how could he, he represented a Scottish seat just as Sir Alec Douglas-Home did too.

He was still prime Minister and he only stopped being PM when it was totally clear that he couldn't have formed a govt;
The Lib Dems were talking to both the Conservatives and labour.
Had the Lib Dems decided to go with Labour, then they would have had 315 seats to the Conservatives 307, it could have been that had they put forward a Queen's speech, that the nationalists,Green MP and the SDLP in N Ireland would not have voted that Queen's speech down.
Which would have meant a Lab/Lib Dem coalition.

Despite having fewer seats than the Conservatives, it was still then mathematically possible to get overall support in the commons.
Until it was completely clear that was not possible and the Lib Dems were then likely going with the Conservatives, that was the time to go.

That is the constitution, no matter what anyone else personally thinks.He couldn't quit as PM becasue it was in no way certain that David Cameron could get enough votes to form a govt:
the previous PM has to remain until a recommendation can be made as to who the Queen sends for.

Just as in Feb 1974, Edward Heath had 4 seats less than Labour, Harold Wilson just had to sit and wait to see if heath could form a govt; with Liberal support and others.
Heath remained PM until that was all settled and he eventually realised the Lib Dems wouldn't support him.

Harold Wilson always said he would form a minority govt;
However, he still had to just sit and wait until it was clear Edward Heath could not,just left waiting for Heath to concede that and then resign as PM.

[arista]

"Despite having fewer seats than the Conservatives,"

thats what mattered
Nothing Else



and Fecking Brown should have gone to the Queen the next day
not wasting 5 days of My Time and Orders



These Elections halt deals

[joeysteele]

"Despite having fewer seats than the Conservatives,"

thats what mattered
Nothing Else



and Fecking Brown should have gone to the Queen the next day
not wasting 5 days of My Time and Orders



These Elections halt deals

Well sadly you and I don't get to write the constitution as to these events arista and I have shown examples a plenty of PMs being changed and not holding snap elecions and also a similar scenario to Brown with Heath.

The old government has to be kicked out by a party that beats them solidly,there were 343 other MPs elected in 2010 who were not Conservative,if theyhad decided they didn't want the Conservatives then Brown and Labour could have governed still.
Whether you liked it or not, and under parliamentary rules the would have been in the right to do so too.

Instead of blaming Brown, you should be looking at the man who failed to win the easiest election ever to win, with a troubled govt; a bumbling leader and an election that had been full of gaffes by Labour and Brown.
Who was it failed to get the votes to win solidly, one David Cameron.

[arista]

Well sadly you and I don't get to write the constitution as to these events arista and I have shown examples a plenty of PMs being changed and not holding snap elecions and also a similar scenario to Brown with Heath.

The old government has to be kicked out by a party that beats them solidly,there were 343 other MPs elected in 2010 who were not Conservative,if theyhad decided they didn't want the Conservatives then Brown and Labour could have governed still.
Whether you liked it or not, and under parliamentary rules the would have been in the right to do so too.

Instead of blaming Brown, you should be looking at the man who failed to win the easiest election ever to win, with a troubled govt; a bumbling leader and an election that had been full of gaffes by Labour and Brown.
Who was it failed to get the votes to win solidly, one David Cameron.


But he Beat Brown
and with Clegg became the PM

[arista]

A Ideal Win

would be Conservative /UKIP/SNP/LibDem




And No Fecking Labour needed

[joeysteele]

A Ideal Win

would be Conservative /UKIP/SNP/LibDem




And No Fecking Labour needed

Well the way the polling is going at present it has Labour and the Conservatives expected to getj ust over around 280 seats each, with the SNP getting beween 45 and 50.
the likelihood will be no party would then be able to govern at all without some arrangement with the SNP.

Since the SNP will have nothing to do with the Conservatives, your hope looks rather doomed.

That is before many Conservative MPs who would actually hate the very idea of any deal with UKIP too.
Some may even give up the whip if that occurred.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CB6lnJdW0AAQyGR.jpg

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CBnd0m1XIAEt_rn.jpg

cartoon by Neil Slorance:
on SkyNews Election blog

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CB08wAXXIAAcMZu.jpg:large

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CB1Ir_NUEAAYZ9u.png

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CB54TlZUAAAKf2E.png

[MTVN]

It's true that raising the income tax threshold was a Lib Dem policy which the Tories were repeatedly against and only introduced reluctantly, now they boast about it as though they fulfilled some long held Conservative vision in implementing it. I really think its sad that the Lib Dems positive and moderating impact on this government has been so unappreciated

[arista]

Fecking War Monger Blair is helping his party
he even brought up China,


Feck Off Blair
China are our mates

[kirklancaster]

It wouldn't have any baring on what was, is or will be happening in our country however. Why would the opinion of someone outside the UK matter more or have more relevance than those living in it?

Great. So you fully support the UK leaving the corrupt EU as soon as possible then?

[joeysteele]

Actually, I hate to admit this but I thought Tony Blair gave a very insightful speech this morning as to the EU and the World at large too.
Pretty impressive throughout.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Nicola sturgeon bossed the leadership debate up here too. Just finishing now.

[Kizzy]

Great. So you fully support the UK leaving the corrupt EU as soon as possible then?

No, and why is worldwide trade not corrupt?

[JoshBB]

The tories taking credit for what the Lib Dems have introduced is unacceptable imo

[joeysteele]

The tories taking credit for what the Lib Dems have introduced is unacceptable imo

It was inevitable that would happen because the Lib Dems, Nick Clegg in particular,threw out so much of his own policies,which were really good ones,to firstly ensure the fixed term parliament for 5 years got thorung, thereby ensuring the Lib Dems were in shared govt; for at least 5 years, with a few ministerial positions and his title of deputy PM.

The Conservatives used the raising of tax thresholds for the lower paid to get throught their tax cuts for the far higher earners,which the Lib Dems accepted and supported in full.

It is unfair the way the Conservatives have hijacked the whole policy,even moreso because they wouldn't have done it on the scale the Lib Dems did insist on.
had the Lib Dems insisted no changes to the higher tax levels and only agreed to the changes for the lower paid bands,much more credibility could have been hled onto by them.

Really,other than that policy, all the Lib Dems have in fact supported are slightly watered down measures of Conservative policy,their modeating influence having really little effect.
They allowed the Conservatives to govern as if they had got an overall majority and are in my view, paying the right price for abandoning their principles, their word and pledges to the people who trusted and voted for them to do much more, in controlling either party in govt:

The one thing that mystifies me, if the country and voters hate what the Lib Dems have supported,is how any credit for same should go to the Conservatives.
If policies are wrong, they are wrong and both parties that have presented the policies deserve the same condemnation as to same too.
The Conservatives sadly used and played the Lib Dems and Nick Clegg let them in effect walk all over him and his party for the full near 5 years.

[arista]

The tories taking credit for what the Lib Dems have introduced is unacceptable imo


But its normal
they do not have time to mention that


The LibDems are rushing around the UK
telling what they have done


in under 4 weeks we need a winner
and no way can Nick be a PM

[Kizzy]

Great news about Labour 'pick pocketing' the non doms.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/07/ed-miliband-non-dom-tax-status-labour

[arista]

Wow


Farage and Joey Essex
on SkyNewsHD
just now
getting the younger voters.

[arista]

Great news about Labour 'pick pocketing' the non doms.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/07/ed-miliband-non-dom-tax-status-labour


No Kizzy
it the plan that stopped before the 2010 Election.

And as BBC News has shown it has major errors
all today on headlines


The LibDems
are doing it better
ref : Radio 5

[Kizzy]

No Kizzy
it the plan that stopped before the 2010 Election.

And as BBC News has shown it has major errors
all today on headlines


The LibDems
are doing it better
ref : Radio 5

It not the plan that stopped, it the plan as announced yesterday... austerity has major errors, like people dying but we went with that didn't we?

The BBC are a bloated media corp....who cares what they say?

[Crimson Dynamo]

The tories taking credit for what the Lib Dems have introduced is unacceptable imo

The lib dems threw any credibility they had away last election. No one cares whst they claim. They are finished.

Fact

[Livia]

The lib dems threw any credibility they had away last election. No one cares whst they claim. They are finished.

Fact

Of all the parties, I'm most interested to see what happens to the LibDems. I think Clegg will lose his seat.

[MTVN]

Well I might be alone but I remain convinced that the Lib Dems have actually done a commendable job this government. In 2010 a Con-Lib coalition did make the most sense: The Conservatives won the most seats so should have had the first attempt at forming a government, and it was the only partnership that was capable of having a strong majority. Labour and the Lib Dems together would still have been 8 seats short then what are the options? The SNP had 6 seats, Plaid 3, SDLP 3, Greens 1, you would have needed at least 2 of those parties and even then you have a very slim majority with at least 4 parties which would be very hard to govern with in practice. Con-Lib was clearly the most practicable coalition possible, but even then remember how everyone said it would never last and that government would soon break down? Well it didn't, the first coalition government since WWII was actually remarkably stable and harmonious and conducted itself with a lot of political maturity.

Yes the Lib Dems broke promises blah blah blah, but they were by far the junior partner, it's unrealistic to expect them to have everything on their terms. In a sense they were able to make pledges like 'no tuition fees' because they never had a chance of governing the country themselves. When the opportunity arises of course you are going to do what you can but you also have to accept the reality of your situation. Even with the fees you can be sure that the way in which they've risen would have been very different without Lib Dem influence. They were also the ones who achieved the raising of the income tax threshold, the pension changes have been largely Lib Dem driven, and across the board they have been moderating government policies to reach a compromise. That's what coalition government is all about, like Cable said the other day if you're serious in politics you do have to engage with government, you can't just be a stubborn opposition and protest party to everything.

Maybe its because this country is so unused to coalition governments that that never gets appreciated, I bet it will do a lot more after the next election when we are going to need a coalition again and people will realise that actually it's always the case that the minor party cannot dictate policy. It's why also, as much as I dislike the SNP, I don't really buy the scaremongering over a Labour-SNP agreement where they say that 'Salmond will be pulling the strings', 'Miliband will be in his pocket' etc. The Tories should know more than anyone now that coalition government does not work like that, otherwise by the same logic we'd have had Cameron in Clegg's pocket the last 5 years

[Kizzy]

Hmmm, that's a good point but I can't forgive how instrumental they were in the sneaky cut price royal mail sell off.
That was far from their hands being tied, Vince was on a mission there and it wasn't before they had orchestrated the workers relinquishing their rights for a few measly shares true tory style.

[Kizzy]

'When it comes to tax avoidance the polling is quite clear.

Here are some numbers from February:

From ICM: 52% of voters agreed that even less mercy should be shown to the rich avoiding their dues than to dishonest social security claimants. 67% said at the time that big business was so close to politics that no government would stop tax dodging.

From YouGov: 59 per cent of people think it is “unacceptable” to legally avoid tax, compared to only 32 per cent who think it is reasonable.

Also from YouGov: 65% think the current coalition government has done badly at reducing tax avoidance by companies. 55% believe government could make a proper effort to reduce tax avoidance, opposed to 30% who believe not much can be done to stop tax avoidance in a globalised world.'

The non doms debate is dominating, and the tories defending them feeds into the fact they are a party for the tax avoiding rich.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2015/apr/08/election-2015-live-blog-labour-ed-miliband-non-dom-tax-loophole

[Kizzy]

Well, here's a turn up for the books my party of choice comes out top for Christian values..how ironic :laugh:

Labour best party for issues that matter to Christians, poll suggests

The Labour party is viewed as the most trusted to deliver on the top three priority areas for practising Christians, according to a new survey, the Press Association reports.

Ed Miliband’s party was seen as the most dependable on managing the NHS, 33% compared to 22% for the Conservatives; making sure that the benefits of economic growth are felt by all, 33% against 17% for the Conservatives, and making the welfare system fairer, 33% compared to 19% for the Conservatives'

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2015/apr/08/election-2015-live-blog-labour-ed-miliband-non-dom-tax-loophole

[arista]

It not the plan that stopped, it the plan as announced yesterday... austerity has major errors, like people dying but we went with that didn't we?

The BBC are a bloated media corp....who cares what they say?


It is
its their old plan brought back
to keep you fooled

[arista]

And Kizzy Dear

Ed Balls has said on a BBC Leeds interview
some weeks back
warning against this as it will not work.


So everyone is now using Balls former words.


"it emerges Ed Balls recently said it could cost the UK."

http://news.sky.com/story/1460548/labour-would-abolish-non-dom-tax-status


Labour Confusion
Fact



Utter feck up of your Labour today

[Crimson Dynamo]

Dont forget that tonite on BBC1 HD at 6.55 is the UKIP election broadcast

https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/ukipdev/pages/1086/attachments/original/1428396657/Nigel_Twitter.jpeg?1428396657

Nigel cares about you

[joeysteele]

And Kizzy Dear

Ed Balls has said on a BBC Leeds interview
some weeks back
warning against this as it will not work.


So everyone is now using Balls former words.


"it emerges Ed Balls recently said it could cost the UK."

http://news.sky.com/story/1460548/labour-would-abolish-non-dom-tax-status


Labour Confusion
Fact



Utter feck up of your Labour today


No confusion at all, let me help you on this one.
He said that in January and that was why it was not then fully considered as a policy at that time, since it appeared it could possibly cost more to implement than it would bring in,'at that time'.

Since then, the Shadow treasury team have analysed and found the way to ensure it wouldn't cost more to implement,hence why now after all that work,3 months later, it can be seen as a viable policy.

Anyway, people should be paying taxes if they are due no one should be able to avoid doing so.

It hasn't bothered this lot from hammemring the most vulnerable on benefits, spending far more to save a lot less.
Then too, once lengthy official figures for the bedroom charge are able to be scrutinised, I feel sure we will find that has cost a great deal more to implement than it has saved at all.

If it can be done for the most vulnerable, then rich and greedy tax avoiders should be hunted down too, no matter the cost.

However Ed Balls and his team have now found a way to ensure the non doms policy doesn't cost more to do now than it will bring in.
The original speech from Ed Balls as to this way back in January, is far and away old news.
No confusion at all.

[Crimson Dynamo]

To recap on the day so far: Labour made thismorning's headlines with Ed Miliband's eye-catching pledge to scrap non-dom tax status - and has spent the day fielding criticism over the policy, including a mounting backlash from respected City groups.

The CBI warned "we must be cautious of any proposals which might put entrepreneurs off coming to the UK to invest and create jobs" and the Institute of Directors said that "the UK’s international reputation would be put at risk" and warned that large numbers of financial figures headquartered in London "will now exit the country".

Conservatives seized on a video showing Ed Balls saying abolishing non-dom status altogether would "end up costing Britain money", though the shadow Chancellor claimed his words had been taken out of context.

Meanwhile Nigel Farage has been campaigning in Grimsby, where he had a meeting with Joey Essex; the Greens have launched a bizarre 'spoof' video featuring the four main male party leaders as a boyband, and Nick Clegg has been campaigning in the South West.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11521095/General-election-Ed-Miliband-to-ban-non-dom-status-live.html

[Kizzy]

And Kizzy Dear

Ed Balls has said on a BBC Leeds interview
some weeks back
warning against this as it will not work.


So everyone is now using Balls former words.


"it emerges Ed Balls recently said it could cost the UK."

http://news.sky.com/story/1460548/labour-would-abolish-non-dom-tax-status


Labour Confusion
Fact



Utter feck up of your Labour today

I've read the full transcript. I've no wish to hear the tory death throes as they continue to champion the 1%.

[arista]

Crick Report On Ch4HD News now

Ed Balls Feck Up

[Kizzy]

For the first time Labour poll ahead :D


For the first time since early 2015, Labour leads - albeit by one seat - in the Guardian’s latest projection of polls.

Miliband’s party is projected to win 273 seats, and Cameron’s 272.

[joeysteele]

For the first time Labour poll ahead :D


For the first time since early 2015, Labour leads - albeit by one seat - in the Guardian’s latest projection of polls.

Miliband’s party is projected to win 273 seats, and Cameron’s 272.

Actually the electoral calculus Kizzy that takes into account loads of polling has Labour presently to get 286 seats and the Conservatives 275,with the SNP on 48.

[Kizzy]

Actually the electoral calculus Kizzy that takes into account loads of polling has Labour presently to get 286 seats and the Conservatives 275,with the SNP on 48.

:cheer2:

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/04/09/00/2763070600000578-0-image-a-65_1428534025621.jpg

[Labour in disarray over non-doms:
Miliband says he'll end them... then admits he'll just tweak rules after the true cost is revealed.
And, oh yes, Balls had earlier ruled out a ban]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3031207/Labour-disarray-non-doms-Miliband-says-ll-end-admits-ll-just-tweak-rules-true-cost-revealed-oh-yes-Balls-earlier-ruled-ban.html#ixzz3WmZqkYGp

[arista]

Ed Miliband - the Double Back Stabber,
Stabbed his Better Brother in the back
and Now is going to Stab the UK
by taking away the Nukes

(This is by MP Fallon ) in the todays papers
saying the only way way for Labour to take power
is with the SNP and they have a Thick Red Line
saying Nukes Must Go.


Life In The Fast Lane

[joeysteele]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/04/09/00/2763070600000578-0-image-a-65_1428534025621.jpg

[Labour in disarray over non-doms:
Miliband says he'll end them... then admits he'll just tweak rules after the true cost is revealed.
And, oh yes, Balls had earlier ruled out a ban]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3031207/Labour-disarray-non-doms-Miliband-says-ll-end-admits-ll-just-tweak-rules-true-cost-revealed-oh-yes-Balls-earlier-ruled-ban.html#ixzz3WmZqkYGp

For crying out loud, he said that in January as I said earlier, he and his team have now almost 3 months later found a way to implement it without it costing more than it will bring in.

If a week is a long time in politics arista, from January to now is a near eternity.
It would have been wrong in January which is why he didn't have it become policy, now with the new plan, it will not cost more so can now be policy.
It is simple enough.

[Kizzy]

They conveniently missed off the end of the vid too, they are trying but thank goodness people are waking up and the scales are falling.

[joeysteele]

This is a popular policy Kizzy and the Conservatives know it is too.
It is well over time that these people were made to pay their due taxes, no matter how small or how large they would be.

[joeysteele]

This is a popular policy Kizzy and the Conservatives know it is too.
It is well over time that these people were made to pay their due taxes, no matter how small or how large they would be.

[kirklancaster]

For crying out loud, he said that in January as I said earlier, he and his team have now almost 3 months later found a way to implement it without it costing more than it will bring in.

If a week is a long time in politics arista, from January to now is a near eternity.
It would have been wrong in January which is why he didn't have it become policy, now with the new plan, it will not cost more so can now be policy.
It is simple enough.

It's funny how Farage is pilloried for remarks or views he stated 'months' before which were opposite of those he holds now, and denied the right to be able to have changed or amended such views in the interim, yet with Ed Testicles it's perfectly legit. :shrug::laugh:

[Kizzy]

It's very different to make an amendment and to set the record straight about obvious slurs than the total contradictions and backpeddling seen by Farage.

[kirklancaster]

It's very different to make an amendment and to set the record straight about obvious slurs than the total contradictions and backpeddling seen by Farage.

I don't understand what you mean? How is it different?

[Kizzy]

Non dom status has been readdressed not scrapped or denied.
That is different to the issues re raised to Mr Farage the NHS being one.

[Kizzy]

Fight just got really dirty....

Fallon v Miliband - Key quotes

Here are the key quotes in the Michael Fallon v Ed Miliband row

Michael Fallon in the Times overnight

Ed Miliband stabbed his own brother in the back to become Labour leader. Now he is willing to stab the United Kingdom in the back to become prime minister.

Fallon on the Today programme at 8.10am, defending the comment

This is an issue of trust, and an issue of leadership ... We saw in that leadership election just what he would do to get into power.

With Ed Miliband, you cannot be sure what kind of backstairs deal he is likely to do with the SNP if he’s got any prospect of getting into Number 10 Downing Street.

Nick Boles, the Conservative minister, on Twitter at 8.45am

Ask yourself this. Who does Vladimir Putin want to see running Britain after 7th May?

Answer: the man who abandoned the Syrians to their fate and the woman who wants to scrap our nuclear deterrent.

Ed Miliband at his press conference, at around 10.30am

Michael Fallon is a decent man but today I think he has demeaned himself and demeaned his office. National security is too important to play politics with. I will never compromise our national security, I will never negotiate away our national security ...

I’ve got to say, I think the British people deserve better than what the Conservative party are offering in this campaign, which is a campaign based on deceit and lies.

David Cameron at around 10.30am, defending Fallon

Michael Fallon is making a very important point which is first of all only the Conservatives are absolutely guaranteeing a full replacement of Trident with four submarines and continuous at sea deterrence. It is important that in a dangerous insecure world we have that ultimate insurance policy. That’s guaranteed with the Conservatives'

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2015/apr/09/election-2015-live-blog-conservatives-challenge-ed-miliband-trident-nuclear-labour

[Kizzy]

http://i.guim.co.uk/media/w-620/h--/q-95/e911562cbaac338f0d2e5d133e83cb6ddeac69a5/476_97_4141_2488/1000.jpg

Karen Brady on the front row at Cameron Direct. Isn't she a director of a company that doesn't pay any corporation tax but wants corporation tax to be cut?

[kirklancaster]

Non dom status has been readdressed not scrapped or denied.
That is different to the issues re raised to Mr Farage the NHS being one.

That is not true.

It does not make it at all different just because you say so Kizzy - no matter in what 'sweeping' or 'dismissive' manner you may say it.

There is no difference at all.

Another point concerning the NHS is this;

Farage may have personal views about the NHS which differ from those which his party voted for - but that is nothing more than just an excellent example of 'Democracy In Action'. His party voted and rejected his views and so - as party leader - he has dropped those personal views and is espousing the democratically selected policies of his party.

Do you really think for one second that top university educated millionaire Mr Milliband sincerely 100% truly believes in the political ideologies he espouses to the degree that he lives inside them?

Do you really believe that it sits 'four square' when Ed lives in a £2.5 million pound house in an exclusive area of London, and is worth an estimated £5 to £6 million pounds - having taken every advantage of the 'Super-Rich Friendly' 'Inheritance Tax' regulations to protect and grow that net worth - yet preaches about 'wealth transparency' and 'eradicating the big millions from politics'?

How much in common has Ed really with the class of voters he is trying to appeal to?

This is why I am sick to the pit of my stomach with the 'Big Two' parties because for over 50 years it has been the same merry carousel of 'Be In Power' and prove inefficient, corrupt and unapologetic, then come Election Time, merely spin the same clichéd crap of 'This Time We'll Do This, That, And The Other' only to 'Stay In Power' or 'Get Into Power' and prove inefficient, corrupt and unapologetic, until come Election Time'..... :sleep:

The simple truth is; that when 'In Power', the Labour Party has been as guilty as the Conservatives of mismanagement, gross inefficiency, corrupt practices, and hypocrisy, and no amount of shouting, posturing or unjust attacking of Farage by Ed or Dave's blinkered, unquestioning and illogical and devout supporters, will camouflage that truth.

[arista]

http://i.guim.co.uk/media/w-620/h--/q-95/e911562cbaac338f0d2e5d133e83cb6ddeac69a5/476_97_4141_2488/1000.jpg

Karen Brady on the front row at Cameron Direct. Isn't she a director of a company that doesn't pay any corporation tax but wants corporation tax to be cut?


She has not broken any laws

Your Fecking 13 year New Labour
could have changed it all
Fact

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11524183/Nicola-Sturgeon-vs-Jim-Murphy-take-two-more-things-we-learnt-from-the-Scottish-leaders-debate.html

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03260/david-coburn-ukip_3260796b.jpg

The most vitriolic attacks were saved up for Ukip's David Coburn who withered on about how leaving the EU would solve most of Scotland's woes. When Mr Coburn suggested that the rise of zero hours contracts was thanks in part to the European Union, Labour's Mr Murphy shouted: "Stop demonising people."

But the most blistering attack came from Nicola Sturgeon, who firmly said: "I think the only depressing thing tonight is the narrow-minded xenophobic attitude of David Coburn. It’s absolutely utterly disgusting. This is the guy who compared one of my colleagues to a convicted terrorist simply because he’s a Muslim. You are a disgrace.”

Ruth Davidson, from the Conservatives, added her dislike of such "bigotry".

Mr Coburn's comments also received some of the night's biggest boos and hisses from the audience.

He later took to Twitter to reiterate what he said:

David Coburn MEP @DavidCoburnUKip
Follow

Zero Hours contracts were brought in to get round EU Temp Workers Directive thus scrapping UK Temp Contracts which had defined T/Ls

[Crimson Dynamo]

Labour bragged about using London and England's south east to pay for 1,000 Scottish nurses

How would Labour pay for 1,000 extra nurses in Scotland's NHS? Using the introduction of their mansion tax on homes worth more than £2million, which will predominantly hit 'London and the south east', admitted Mr Murphy.

Naturally, this won applause amongst the Aberdeen audience, but Ed Miliband will perhaps be hoping that not too many people south of the border remember these words.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03259/Election_scots_deb_3259143b.jpg

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11524183/Nicola-Sturgeon-vs-Jim-Murphy-take-two-more-things-we-learnt-from-the-Scottish-leaders-debate.html

[Livia]

....But the most blistering attack came from Nicola Sturgeon, who firmly said: "I think the only depressing thing tonight is the narrow-minded xenophobic attitude of David Coburn. It’s absolutely utterly disgusting..."



LOL... Nicola Sturgeon, leader of the Scottish National Party calling someone else a narrow-minded xenophobe. That's what we Jews call 'chutzpah'.

[Nedusa]

That is not true.

It does not make it at all different just because you say so Kizzy - no matter in what 'sweeping' or 'dismissive' manner you may say it.

There is no difference at all.

Another point concerning the NHS is this;

Farage may have personal views about the NHS which differ from those which his party voted for - but that is nothing more than just an excellent example of 'Democracy In Action'. His party voted and rejected his views and so - as party leader - he has dropped those personal views and is espousing the democratically selected policies of his party.

Do you really think for one second that top university educated millionaire Mr Milliband sincerely 100% truly believes in the political ideologies he espouses to the degree that he lives inside them?

Do you really believe that it sits 'four square' when Ed lives in a £2.5 million pound house in an exclusive area of London, and is worth an estimated £5 to £6 million pounds - having taken every advantage of the 'Super-Rich Friendly' 'Inheritance Tax' regulations to protect and grow that net worth - yet preaches about 'wealth transparency' and 'eradicating the big millions from politics'?

How much in common has Ed really with the class of voters he is trying to appeal to?

This is why I am sick to the pit of my stomach with the 'Big Two' parties because for over 50 years it has been the same merry carousel of 'Be In Power' and prove inefficient, corrupt and unapologetic, then come Election Time, merely spin the same clichéd crap of 'This Time We'll Do This, That, And The Other' only to 'Stay In Power' or 'Get Into Power' and prove inefficient, corrupt and unapologetic, until come Election Time'..... :sleep:

The simple truth is; that when 'In Power', the Labour Party has been as guilty as the Conservatives of mismanagement, gross inefficiency, corrupt practices, and hypocrisy, and no amount of shouting, posturing or unjust attacking of Farage by Ed or Dave's blinkered, unquestioning and illogical and devout supporters, will camouflage that truth.

Agree..........Why people keep arrogantly dismissing minor Party's or new Party's like UKIP leaves me baffled.

I mean if our Country was on the up and things had been generally improving over the last 4 or 5 decades then I would suggest our Politics was working give or take minor issues, but it clearly is not working and two party Politics has been a disaster for this Country, with one party undoing all the work of the previous Govt and vice-versa.

The Net effect is that nothing gets done, no long term plans or strategies are formulated, Projects that could benefit the Country are usually sidetracked or cancelled the second the other Party gets into Power.

The current trend of EU subservience and uncontrolled unlimited immigration into this Country has accelerated our decline and has been a disaster for everyone.

yet people on here STILL dismiss any new voices for change preferring instead to stay with the two main useless corrupt Party's

Nothing short of total madness..........!!!!

[Crimson Dynamo]

about bloody time..


http://pad1.whstatic.com/images/thumb/8/8e/Stop-a-Nose-Bleed-with-a-Tampon-Step-3.jpg/670px-Stop-a-Nose-Bleed-with-a-Tampon-Step-3.jpg



Published Apr 09, 2015

Today UKIP has announced that they would remove the invidious tax on women’s sanitary products. Currently tampons and sanitary pads are deemed a "non-essential luxury" item by the Treasury and so they are taxed at five percent accordingly. This is an “outdated and outrageous” tax on women, said Suzanne Evans, UKIP’s Head of Policy.

“No other party can pledge to take this simple step," she said, "as under EU rules no item that has ever had VAT charged on it can have VAT removed completely. This shows not only how ridiculous EU legislation is, but how very wrong it is that we've given our tax sovereignty over to a bunch of faceless - and mostly male - EU Commissioners who simply don't understand real life, let alone real life for women.”

"The rules are so daft, that you can go for a swim without paying any VAT, but you'll be charged for it on the tampon you need to wear in order to go for a swim. It's plain stupid."

According to an HMRC statement, "The application of VAT in the EU, including rates and flexibilities afforded to member states such as the UK, is governed by EU law. The UK applies a 5 percent reduced rate of VAT to the supply of sanitary products. This is the lowest rate possible under EU VAT law."

Ms Evans went on, “Only by leaving the EU can this change, and only UKIP wants this to happen. Taxing tampons is straight out of the dark ages, it is a hangover from a distant past when policy makers disregarded the interests and health of woman and it must not be allowed to continue.”

http://www.ukip.org/ukip_will_scrap_the_tampon_tax

Ukip, helping women when they go crazy once a month (but always deny they do)

:clap1:

[arista]

How nice

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/ukipdev/pages/1093/attachments/original/1428586011/believewomen.png?1428586011

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://scontent-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/t31.0-8/11024668_923392641015960_2031048709038247289_o.jpg

[Jack_]

https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/ukipdev/pages/1093/attachments/original/1428586011/believewomen.png?1428586011

:joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

:joker:

#freedomforjamrags

[arista]

My New Voting Card Arrived
at my Office.
I will be there 7AM/7/5/15 Voting Conservative

Lay It On The Line

[MTVN]

I agree with Miliband about Fallon really, it was quite undignified of him to make comments like that and the public don't like it. The Tories are running their campaign poorly imo and they're looking likely to pay the price for it

[Kazanne]

I agree with Miliband about Fallon really, it was quite undignified of him to make comments like that and the public don't like it. The Tories are running their campaign poorly imo and they're looking likely to pay the price for it

As if Milliband and his band of merry men never make derogotary comments:laugh: they are all as bad.

[MTVN]

In a way its just the pointlessness of this attack though: Labour and the Tories basically agree on Trident. Miliband 'stabbing his country in the back'? Get real. And 'stabbed his brother in the back'? He beat him in a fair election where they stood on different platforms, hardly a sneaky betrayal. It's not endearing to the electorate, people aren't interested in how good a personal dig the Conservatives can get in on Miliband's character. And when it's happening on an issue where the two parties broadly agree then what hope do we have to hear any sensible and reasonable discourse on issues where they disagree?

[joeysteele]

In a way its just the pointlessness of this attack though: Labour and the Tories basically agree on Trident. Miliband 'stabbing his country in the back'? Get real. And 'stabbed his brother in the back'? He beat him in a fair election where they stood on different platforms, hardly a sneaky betrayal. It's not endearing to the electorate, people aren't interested in how good a personal dig the Conservatives can get in on Miliband's character. And when it's happening on an issue where the two parties broadly agree then what hope do we have to hear any sensible and reasonable discourse on issues where they disagree?

Valid points again and I agree,I too dislike the personal attacks from both the main parties but this was way out of order.
Had this been said by a Labour politician as to the Conservatives being a danger to Britain's defences, it would have been the crime of the century.

None of the main parties are a danger to the UK's defences,although the cuts this govt; have made to the armed forces hasn't done much to help.

As was said on QT tonight actually, Ed Miliband stood as the more left of Labour candidate against his brother David who was more to the right of Labour.
Also, both being dedicated Labour politicians another choice too, David who had supported the Iraq action and Ed who would not have done so and was against the Iraq action.

It was a disgraceful comment from Michael Fallon and he is being, and should be, rightly condemned for it by anyone who has any regard for decency.
Sadly, this is politics.

Talking today to a lady who is 89,really active and raring to vote too in May.
I could have talked to her for hours while canvassing today and I even got a cup of tea from her too,she was amazing.
She commented, in 1945, after them working together during the war, Winston Churchill then likened and warned that Clement Attlee's Labour were as dangerous as the nazi's, during the election campaign.

She then smiled and said, you know what happened,Winston Churchill and the Tories were thrown out and Labour won a landslide.

Fantastic lady and how I would love to see history repeat itself.:joker:

[arista]

Ch5HD News

Many women are saying leaving the voting to their men?
(I thought those days had gone)

But the women say the want David as PM
not Ed.


They are saying its rare to have the the polls near each other
and Labour in Scotland are not liked at all.

Well done the Scottish
SNP is Great
Kill all Labour MP's
thats goods


Emma is Live in Southport
under LibDem
but are the Conservatives going to take over?

[joeysteele]

Ch5HD News

Many women are saying leaving the voting to their men?
(I thought those days had gone)

But the women say the want David as PM
not Ed.


They are saying its rare to have the the polls near each other
and Labour in Scotland are not liked at all.

Well done the Scottish
SNP is Great
Kill all Labour MP's
thats goods


Emma is Live in Southport
under LibDem
but are the Conservatives going to take over?

Of the 5 parties currently with seats in parliament who are across the UK parties, Labour is still the more popular in Scotland.

If Labour are not liked in Scotland then at present, the Conservatives, Lib Dems must be really hated.

The one thing for sure is no matter what number of seats go to the SNP from Labour,it will not be down to any success of the Conservatives or Lib Dems, further when in the future those seats change hands again, it will be back to Labour,not the others.

Just over 40 years ago the Conservatives were winning 21 seats in Scotland,remind me how many they have now.
Oh yes, 1 at present.

[bots]

Of the 5 parties currently with seats in parliament who are across the UK parties, Labour is still the more popular in Scotland.

If Labour are not liked in Scotland then at present, the Conservatives, Lib Dems must be really hated.

The one thing for sure is no matter what number of seats go to the SNP from Labour,it will not be down to any success of the Conservatives or Lib Dems, further when in the future those seats change hands again, it will be back to Labour,not the others.

Just over 40 years ago the Conservatives were winning 21 seats in Scotland,remind me how many they have now.
Oh yes, 1 at present.

Its very true that labour are more popular in Scotland than the other UK wide parties, however, that will be no consolation for labour if the predicted shift to SNP occurs. It is something I can see happening as it doesn't directly affected the independence situation at this point.

Some estimates suggest that the SNP could pick up 50 of the 59 available seats, and that will be a big deficit for labour to make up in the rest of the UK to compensate. Would the SNP then effectively give those seats to labour to wield in a coalition, I doubt it. I can't see any party getting a formal coalition with the SNP.

[Kizzy]

6ulpbQT1ehs

[joeysteele]

Its very true that labour are more popular in Scotland than the other UK wide parties, however, that will be no consolation for labour if the predicted shift to SNP occurs. It is something I can see happening as it doesn't directly affected the independence situation at this point.

Some estimates suggest that the SNP could pick up 50 of the 59 available seats, and that will be a big deficit for labour to make up in the rest of the UK to compensate. Would the SNP then effectively give those seats to labour to wield in a coalition, I doubt it. I can't see any party getting a formal coalition with the SNP.

Both the SNP and Labour have said they would not go together in a formal coalition anyway,however the SNP have said, they would operate a confidence and supply measure which would mean Labour could rely on their votes on crucial issues and thereby effectively govern as a minority govt;.

If Labour won only 280-285 seats and the SNP did in fact take 50 seats, (I don't see that happening myself although I think at least 20 of Labour seast will go to the SNP.),then just Labour and the SNP alone could not be voted down in parliament.

However Plaid Cymru has also said it would join the SNP as to voting in the commons,add all that with the SDLP in N.Ireland,plus the fact Sinn Fein don't take their seats at Westminster, then a minority Labour govt; could do very well indeed and be able to govern very comfortably.

Likewise,were the Conservatives to have around 280-285 seats too, then with 50 SNP MPs,no way at all could they govern, as the then Labour opposition with just the SNP votes could always vote down the Conservative party.

I am actually amazed at the people I have talked to so far in this campaign, that have said,here in England, that if they were able to, they too would vote SNP.
A Labour minority govt; supported in parliament by the SNP,for me, would be a really good govt; and I would like to see how successful it could be and how much fairer too.

What is your thinking as to the likely result bitontheslide,you make some great observations and really strong points too.

[arista]

Of the 5 parties currently with seats in parliament who are across the UK parties, Labour is still the more popular in Scotland.

If Labour are not liked in Scotland then at present, the Conservatives, Lib Dems must be really hated.

The one thing for sure is no matter what number of seats go to the SNP from Labour,it will not be down to any success of the Conservatives or Lib Dems, further when in the future those seats change hands again, it will be back to Labour,not the others.

Just over 40 years ago the Conservatives were winning 21 seats in Scotland,remind me how many they have now.
Oh yes, 1 at present.


But do you not understand
Labour in Scotland
went down fecking faster than anything before



The fact that Conservatives do not do well in Scotland
is Fine.


As the SNP
Kill Labour MPs




Ed Miliband was in Scotland
but he can not walk around
he had to stay in one fecking place.
He is so Hated - He is a Toff
in a Nice area.



Now SNP taking Scotland is great

[empire]

but does the british people want to vote so they can bend there asses backward, to outsiders, like the EUSSR, labour's economic policy is a disaster, tories keep giving the poor and the hard working class, harsh cuts, and then they give the money to fascist junta ukraine, the thing with immigration is that you get two things with it, racial and religious divide, and a cultural clash, and then you end up with every city in britain just like belfast,the media and the left wing and labour voters, want this hushed up with there fingers in there ears,

[arista]

but does the british people want to vote so they can bend there asses backward, to outsiders, like the EUSSR, labour's economic policy is a disaster, tories keep giving the poor and the hard working class, harsh cuts, and then they give the money to fascist junta ukraine, the thing with immigration is that you get two things with it, racial and religious divide, and a cultural clash, and then you end up with every city in britain just like belfast,the media and the left wing and labour voters, want this hushed up with there fingers in there ears,

Yes its a Staged Election.
but the can not Hush Up
Live Photos
and Covert recordings.


One Covert Recording of Ed
can Stop him dead

[joeysteele]

But do you not understand
Labour in Scotland
went down fecking faster than anything before



The fact that Conservatives do not do well in Scotland
is Fine.


As the SNP
Kill Labour MPs




Ed Miliband was in Scotland
but he can not walk around
he had to stay in one fecking place.
He is so Hated - He is a Toff
in a Nice area.



Now SNP taking Scotland is great


If the SNP take as many seats as predicted,then for me the great thing will be those MPs will never vote to help or sustain a Conservative govt:

So cheer all you like, in truth as to the next parliament, an SNP MP is an even stronger vote against the Conservatives in the commons than even some possible Labour MPs votes may have been.
That cheers me up a great deal.

David Cameron is also hated in Scotland, why is it that Conservative leaders since margaret Thatcher still just ride away from Scotland and treat it,its MPs and its citizens with total contempt.

Labour has problems at present in Scotland but it will still be the only main UK party with any real base in Scotland, even after this election's possible worst result for them there.

[arista]

"will never vote to help or sustain a Conservative govt:"

Of Course its not for us

But its Killing Labour MP's
that is so Fantastic.

And after the election Joey
you and I can not call it
if its Hung.


And Labour can not get on with SNP.

[arista]

"David Cameron is also hated in Scotland,"


Everyone knows that


But Now Your Ed is hated more
that Matters

[joeysteele]

"will never vote to help or sustain a Conservative govt:"

Of Course its not for us

But its Killing Labour MP's
that is so Fantastic.

And after the election Joey
you and I can not call it
if its Hung.


And Labour can not get on with SNP.


Actually I think you will find that Labour and the SNP will get on fine after the election in westminster.

Their policies are not in any way miles apart,in fact for me, the SNP has some better policies than Labour.
There will not need to be a formal coalition,the SNP would then be free to vote against trident renewal in a confidence and supply basis but with no threat to the Labour plan to go ahead with renewal from the guidance given at the time by the experts.

Labour would be able to probably accept some slowing of further austerity measures in line with SNP policy,which for me would be a really good thing too.

With that firm block of supprt from the SNP, Plaid Cymru too and the SDLP in N I reland as I said earlier, although it would be a minority Labour govt;,it would in fact be one of the strongest minority govts; ever had.

All keeping out David Cameron and his party which will be the main agreement between both Labour and the SNP, that will see them get along fine after the election.

[Livia]

Actually I think you will find that Labour and the SNP will get on fine after the election in westminster.

Their policies are not in any way miles apart,in fact for me, the SNP has some better policies than Labour.
There will not need to be a formal coalition,the SNP would then be free to vote against trident renewal in a confidence and supply basis but with no threat to the Labour plan to go ahead with renewal from the guidance given at the time by the experts.

Labour would be able to probably accept some slowing of further austerity measures in line with SNP policy,which for me would be a really good thing too.

With that firm block of supprt from the SNP, Plaid Cymru too and the SDLP in N I reland as I said earlier, although it would be a minority Labour govt;,it would in fact be one of the strongest minority govts; ever had.

All keeping out David Cameron and his party which will be the main agreement between both Labour and the SNP, that will see them get along fine after the election.

Personally I would not be happy to have Sturgeon gaining more money and services for a five million minority just because they live north of the border.

[arista]

"the main agreement between both Labour and the SNP"

Lets see that work


Feck Labour

[smudgie]

I am looking forward to the Party political broadcast by TUSC next Friday.
Will be interesting to see how many seats they can pick up in the election, being as so many people have not heard of them yet they are putting up over a hundred candidates.
They sound more like old Labour so could do okay:shrug:

[joeysteele]

Personally I would not be happy to have Sturgeon gaining more money and services for a five million minority just because they live north of the border.

I am actually finding a lot of people who would love to be able to vote for the SNP in England.

For me, a Labour led govt; with SNP support would bring fairness and more importantly compassion into policy for legislation.
Two things that don't exist in what this govt; has brought forward in recent years.

I actually wish Nicola Sturgeon was leader of one of the 3 main UK parties.
She would sure get my vote if I lived in Scotland.

I see nothing wrong at all with the SNP being supportive to Labour after the election either as some object to.
For decades, there was Unionist influence as to the Conservative party in govt; from Northern Ireland.

[Josy]

As a Scot I wouldnt give Sturgeon my vote even if she was the only person we could vote for.

[Kizzy]

Just what is wrong with the support for the other countries within the United Kingdom...
I don't understand, why should the minority in London have control?

[Livia]

As a Scot I wouldnt give Sturgeon my vote even if she was the only person we could vote for.

That's refreshing thing to hear from a Scot.

[Kizzy]

What turned you off the SNP Josy or is it just this leader?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Most people in Scotland will vote for Nicola and SNP as they have done a superb job up here.

[Kizzy]

Here's an interesting read...

'So the UK began the period with the second highest deficit (after the US) and ended with the second highest (after Japan), despite the second largest fall among these countries. The contribution of lower spending to that fall was the largest among these countries. The UK was the only country where the deficit has not been reduced by having revenue growing faster than national income. That revenue weakness has come despite employment growth in the UK over the past five years having been the fastest among these countries. It largely reflects weakness in income taxes, due to policy measures and disappointing productivity and earnings growth.'

Effectively the deficit has not been reduced, no money is being raised via tax, we're not producing enough and not many are earning enough..... so where's all the money gone?

http://cdn.budgetresponsibility.independent.gov.uk/March2015EFO_18-03-webv1.pdf

[Crimson Dynamo]

Here's an interesting read...

'So the UK began the period with the second highest deficit (after the US) and ended with the second highest (after Japan), despite the second largest fall among these countries. The contribution of lower spending to that fall was the largest among these countries. The UK was the only country where the deficit has not been reduced by having revenue growing faster than national income. That revenue weakness has come despite employment growth in the UK over the past five years having been the fastest among these countries. It largely reflects weakness in income taxes, due to policy measures and disappointing productivity and earnings growth.'

Effectively the deficit has not been reduced, no money is being raised via tax, we're not producing enough and not many are earning enough..... so where's all the money gone?

http://cdn.budgetresponsibility.independent.gov.uk/March2015EFO_18-03-webv1.pdf

I heard that they spent a lot on sweets

[Kizzy]

I heard that they spent a lot on sweets

Sweetners maybe :hehe:

[arista]

As a Scot I wouldnt give Sturgeon my vote even if she was the only person we could vote for.


There are some
sure.


Each To Their Own

[arista]

Most people in Scotland will vote for Nicola and SNP as they have done a superb job up here.



Yes a Bloodbath on Labour

Bliss

[Crimson Dynamo]

The SNP had a tent and a stall in the town today, like they did a few weeks back

Only ones that make an effort

[arista]

The SNP had a tent and a stall in the town today, like they did a few weeks back

Only ones that make an effort


Yes I watched a report
on Ch4HD news
SNP making a hard effort


Well done to them

[Vicky.]

Just what is wrong with the support for the other countries within the United Kingdom...
I don't understand, why should the minority in London have control?

Wouldnt mind a bit of support for other counties in the uk, never mind countries.

[joeysteele]

Wouldnt mind a bit of support for other counties in the uk, never mind countries.

Very valid point.

[JoshBB]

If I was in scotland I'd vote SNP, and if I lived in Wales i'd vote plaid cymru.

just saying :laugh:

[arista]

Feck Me

That Green Leader Woman
wants to ban the Grand National?

Fecking Bitch
so many workers helping that fantastic day,
and bringing to the UK Billions of pounds
and that Green Woman - From Down Under
says Ban it (Ref : Marr BBC1HD this morning).


She would have to have Armed Guards
around her if she did that
Fact

[Kizzy]

Wouldnt mind a bit of support for other counties in the uk, never mind countries.

I'm a bit wary of that, it could be good for some areas but disastrous for others and I'm worried it'll be a way to 'off load' areas of high economic deprivation as boroughs focus on the areas that generate money and neglect others?
We would effectively then go back to pockets of slums.

[joeysteele]

I'm a bit wary of that, it could be good for some areas but disastrous for others and I'm worried it'll be a way to 'off load' areas of high economic deprivation as boroughs focus on the areas that generate money and neglect others?
We would effectively then go back to pockets of slums.

I would rather myself, although I was born and lived in Worcestershire,see power devolved to regions more North than to have just an English overall body.
which would have,in the main, the affluent smug South elected Conservatives dictating policy and resources to the other regions and counties of England.

You make a good point however, it would need to be carefully and 100% equally fairly set up.

[arista]

I'm a bit wary of that, it could be good for some areas but disastrous for others and I'm worried it'll be a way to 'off load' areas of high economic deprivation as boroughs focus on the areas that generate money and neglect others?
We would effectively then go back to pockets of slums.


Yes New Labour liked that
in their Terrible 13 years.
Thats why there was all those Children got
raped because of Local New Labour
Asians and some Whites
keeping it hushed up.

[joeysteele]

Yes New Labour liked that
in their Terrible 13 years.
Thats why there was all those Children got
raped because of Local New Labour
Asians and some Whites
keeping it hushed up.

That is a really disgraceful comment,no main party should be held totally responsible for such events and they haven't just happened in Labour controlled areas either.

[arista]

That is a really disgraceful comment,no main party should be held totally responsible for such events and they haven't just happened in Labour controlled areas either.

Nice to see you back
on the thread you said -- no return.
I was right.

But the Main ones under control were New Labour
rule.

[joeysteele]

Nice to see you back
on the thread you said -- no return.
I was right.

But the Main ones under were New Labour
rule.

Oh dear,dear dear, you are wrong again arista, this is not the thread I said I wouldn't be back on at all.

It was the 'are the tories a threat to the NHS' thread.

So you are wrong, no need to apologise for that however, others that have read the thread know which one it is I said I wouldn't post on again.
Simply because I have said all and more as to what there was to say from me, and there is no point in continuing when people just dismiss someones valid aguments and points and are not listening anyway.

Anyway,as I said, you are talking here about the wrong thread.See,even you are not right all the time.
Have a really good day anyway.

[arista]

Oh dear,dear dear, you are wrong again arista, this is not the thread I said I wouldn't be back on at all.

It was the 'are the tories a threat to the NHS' thread.

So you are wrong, no need to apologise for that however, others that have read the thread know which one it is I said I wouldn't post on again.
Simply because I have said all and more as to what there was to say from me, and there is no point in continuing when people just dismiss someones valid aguments and points and are not listening anyway.

Anyway,as I said, you are talking here about the wrong thread.See,even you are not right all the time.
Have a really good day anyway.




Well thats one thread
anyone can make a error.

[joeysteele]

Well thats one thread

What on earth is wrong with you arista,I only said one thread,I didn't use the plural 'threads'.
This is getting ridiculous.

Read it again if you can be bothered,I said I was done with that thread, yes, that 'one','single' thread.
I have not posted since on it either, not that is it anything to do with you anyway were I to.

I never said,I was not going to post on other threads,so what is your problem with me, oh yes, I don't agree with you as to Saint David and the Conservative party.

Really arista. with respect go and bother someone else, preferably not another member too however.

[arista]

What on earth is wrong with you arista,I only said one thread,I didn't use the plural 'threads'.
This is getting ridiculous.

Read it again if you can be bothered,I said I was done with that thread, yes, that 'one','single' thread.
I have not posted since on it either, not that is it anything to do with you anyway were I to.

I never said,I was not going to post on other threads,so what is your problem with me, oh yes, I don't agree with you as to Saint David and the Conservative party.

Really arista. with respect go and bother someone else, preferably not another member too however.



Yes I know
I made a Error
got the 2 mixed up


"Front Page TIBB Magazine
arista makes terrible error"
one for Editor Shaun


Also when I post on here
I have No wish to bother anyone
Its good to have Views from all.


Life In The Fast Lane

[joeysteele]

Yes I know
I made a Error
got the 2 mixed up



Life In The Fast Lane

Thank you for that, I appreciate this post from you.I also apologise for getting picky about it to you too.

Think I will keep off tibb most of the day, I am just getting more and more irrtitated and as to people I thought I liked too.

Tibb is not the best place to be during an election I am finding.

I get better debate with the people I talk to in their homes, at their doors and in the streets,who are at least open to listening.

Then you add the unnecessary bit at the end of your post,well my part at the top of this post stands,clearly your admitting you were wrong was only a token gesture,nothing else.

arista ,leave it there,I really cannot be bothered with this nonsense with you today.

[arista]

"I am just getting more and more irrtitated and as to people I thought I liked too."


People change all the time
I posted a Video for Ammi
that brought tear to her eye


Utter Bliss

[AnnieK]

Thank you for that, I appreciate this post from you.I also apologise for getting picky about it to you too.

Think I will keep off tibb most of the day, I am just getting more and more irrtitated and as to people I thought I liked too.

Tibb is not the best place to be during an election I am finding.

I get better debate with the people I talk to in their homes, at their doors and in the streets,who are at least open to listening.

Then you add the unnecessary bit at the end of your post,well my part at the top of this post stands,clearly your admitting you were wrong was only a token gesture,nothing else.

arista ,leave it there,I really cannot be bothered with this nonsense with you today.

To be fair Joey, you're being a little hard on people on here. You have very strong views which are admirable but others may have too and to say they are not open to listening is unfair really. They may listen but through their own findings and belief they don't agree with you on certain issues. That doesn't make them not open to listening, it just makes them as convicted to their views as you are to yours.

I very rarely get into political discussions and would never disclose my political leaning as I don't believe it is easy to debate such issues as people have strong views which are rarely changed but I find these threads have been very interesting and enlightening so I hope you continue to post.

[smudgie]

To be fair Joey, you're being a little hard on people on here. You have very strong views which are admirable but others may have too and to say they are not open to listening is unfair really. They may listen but through their own findings and belief they don't agree with you on certain issues. That doesn't make them not open to listening, it just makes them as convicted to their views as you are to yours.

I very rarely get into political discussions and would never disclose my political leaning as I don't believe it is easy to debate such issues as people have strong views which are rarely changed but I find these threads have been very interesting and enlightening so I hope you continue to post.

Excellent post Annie.

I know Joey does feel strongly about his beliefs, he would make a great campaign manager, although I don't agree with some of his opinions, they are always an interesting read.
Come on Joey, get back in the debate, remember, if people don't agree with your opinions it is not a personal dig at you, just a simple difference of opinion, without which there would be no point in debates.

[Kizzy]

To be fair Joey, you're being a little hard on people on here. You have very strong views which are admirable but others may have too and to say they are not open to listening is unfair really. They may listen but through their own findings and belief they don't agree with you on certain issues. That doesn't make them not open to listening, it just makes them as convicted to their views as you are to yours.

I very rarely get into political discussions and would never disclose my political leaning as I don't believe it is easy to debate such issues as people have strong views which are rarely changed but I find these threads have been very interesting and enlightening so I hope you continue to post.

I don't feel he is and to be fair Joey has been really objective and honest in his responses and in no way hard on anyone.
It's not helpful when not engaging yourself in a thread to post a rebuff on the behalf of other members in my experience.

[arista]

I don't feel he is and to be fair Joey has been really objective and honest in his responses and in no way hard on anyone.
It's not helpful when not engaging yourself in a thread to post a rebuff on the behalf of other members in my experience.


No you are wrong
this is TIBB

not sub section Labour Party only

[AnnieK]

I don't feel he is and to be fair Joey has been really objective and honest in his responses and in no way hard on anyone.
It's not helpful when not engaging yourself in a thread to post a rebuff on the behalf of other members in my experience.

But you feel ok in posting a rebuff on behalf of another member?

I can, and will comment as I wish as this is a public forum. Just because I haven't commented prior to this doesn't mean I haven't followed it avidly.

[arista]

Bang on Right

Public Forum
even the Irish

Not a Sub Section Labour Party only

[Kizzy]

It was only to highlight yours or I wouldn't obviously bother Annie, it just creates situations like this.
I thought the advice for serious debates was to comment on the thread topic not other members?

[Kizzy]

Bang on Right

Public Forum
even the Irish

Not a Sub Section Labour Party only

Even the Irish?... Niamh will be pleased.

[arista]

Even the Irish?... Niamh will be pleased.


Yes a Top Irish Lady

[AnnieK]

It was only to highlight yours or I wouldn't obviously bother Annie, it just creates situations like this.
I thought the advice for serious debates was to comment on the thread topic not other members?

This will be my last comment as I have no wish to derail the thread but my initial comment was in reply to joeys saying he was getting angry with members and saying that people were not listening. So I was commenting upon the thread topic, albeit indirectly in response to another comment on the thread topic. I truly respect all opinions on this forum but I don't always feel the need to comment but I can and will if I feel the need. I would certainly never disrespect Joey which is why I quoted him directly.

[Kizzy]

This will be my last comment as I have no wish to derail the thread but my initial comment was in reply to joeys saying he was getting angry with members and saying that people were not listening. So I was commenting upon the thread topic, albeit indirectly in response to another comment on the thread topic. I truly respect all opinions on this forum but I don't always feel the need to comment but I can and will if I feel the need. I would certainly never disrespect Joey which is why I quoted him directly.

He said irritated and we all get irritated, it's no big deal and rare especially when there was an explanation to accompany the comment.
It is emotive, it's our futures, campaigning is hard I can understand the frustration. It wasn't venting I don't feel that's Joeys style :)

[arista]

"It wasn't venting I don't feel that's Joeys style "


I do
People change all the time
I like Tough Joey

[joeysteele]

Right,AnnieK and Smudgie, I always respect others views but if I think they are wrong views then I will obviously keep on with my own.

I have made very strong, true and valid points that cannot in my view, be fairly challenged but get a curt response and off topic ones at times too.
That is fine, I deal with that by re-iterationg my own points as I have always done.
I see no reason why you felt any need to raise this issue between arista and myself anyway.
I have no problem at all with anyones opinions but I believe in fairness which is why I balance all my posts as much as I can.

My issue with arista,and I took it to him in a pm yesterday,(which clearly turned out to be a further waste of my time), was I felt by doing that now sorted out.
However he chose today to pull me up on saying I was not going to post on a particular thread,he continued this today, not myself.

My issue is with him, no one else and once I pointed out his error this morning, he made a sort of climbdown,which he then added more fueling to afterwards, despite my acceptance of what he had said, expressing my appreciation and also apologising for getting picky myyself.
He has chosen to carry it on again, not me.

I am not being hard on anyone but neither am I stupid, I know when something is wrong and I will never defend a wrong.

No one else needed to be involved in this at all, I took exception to arista,I took it to pm, as we are told to do, it seemed settled,until he carried it on today, coming at me on another thread with something totally related to a different thread.

I am dismayed at the reactions of some on tibb, I have jumped in and defended many who were being got at wrongly in the past that they have been grateful for too.
However, I am not going to be followed around on thread after thread being pulled up for saying I was not going to post on a particular thread,as has been done today.

Kizzy, really however,please don't get yourself into difficulty or bother on my behalf, I appreciate your efforts,I have done that myself for others.
However, you make amazingly strong posts in your posts, backed up by facts and really in effect you could be speaking for me on here anyway were I not to be on.
You can really speak for me in full really.

Some have only come on to comment that I am being hard on people,then to pull Kizzy up for saying something in my defence,unbelievable.

I am fed up of the lot of it, I am really busy myself at present anyway and do not need this on here but it was between myself and arista.
I took it as I said to pm yesterday,as we are told to do and that should have been the end of it all and I thought it was too.
He was the one who continued it today on here however, and I am not prepared to, or going to, play his game.

Thank you Kizzy, by the way.
Don't worry about me and please don't get yourself into any bother on my behalf but a sincere thank you for your kind words and defence.

It is unbelievable that I as a member can make a long post summarising their opinion and observations on an issue,adding that because all seemed to be going round in circles that was their last word on the subject as I did,not needing to say any more even in reality on the issue too after that post,to then have to be hounded for saying and doing that elsewhere by someone else who until that point hadn't posted on the topic in hand there.

Just get on with it arista but annoy someone else, not me, and preferably,if I may suggest, off here, so that its not another member who gets the nonsense.

No wonder Josy made a thread as to serious debates difficulties, I apologise 100% to Josy for this from me today, I did however really try to have this sorted last night in private messaging but then found I had to deal with same again today on here.

I should not have to put up with that and I also will not, and should have the right to say so too.

[Kizzy]

You're very welcome Joey, I've never seen you make a post that was offensive and/or off topic in all honesty so am surprised at all this hoo ha.
Good luck with the canvassing, keep us posted on the polls too hope the weather is better near you for knocking on doors it's raining cats and dogs here.

[smudgie]

Right,AnnieK and Smudgie, I always respect others views but if I think they are wrong views then I will obviously keep on with my own.

I have made very strong, true and valid points that cannot in my view, be fairly challenged but get a curt response and off topic ones at times too.
That is fine, I deal with that by re-iterationg my own points as I have always done.
I see no reason why you felt any need to raise this issue between arista and myself anyway.
I have no problem at all with anyones opinions but I believe in fairness which is why I balance all my posts as much as I can.

My issue with arista,and I took it to him in a pm yesterday,(which clearly turned out to be a further waste of my time), was I felt by doing that now sorted out.
However he chose today to pull me up on saying I was not going to post on a particular thread,he continued this today, not myself.

My issue is with him, no one else and once I pointed out his error this morning, he made a sort of climbdown,which he then added more fueling to afterwards, despite my acceptance of what he had said, expressing my appreciation and also apologising for getting picky myyself.
He has chosen to carry it on again, not me.

I am not being hard on anyone but neither am I stupid, I know when something is wrong and I will never defend a wrong.

No one else needed to be involved in this at all, I took exception to arista,I took it to pm, as we are told to do, it seemed settled,until he carried it on today, coming at me on another thread with something totally related to a different thread.

I am dismayed at the reactions of some on tibb, I have jumped in and defended many who were being got at wrongly in the past that they have been grateful for too.
However, I am not going to be followed around on thread after thread being pulled up for saying I was not going to post on a particular thread,as has been done today.

Kizzy, really however,please don't get yourself into difficulty or bother on my behalf, I appreciate your efforts,I have done that myself for others.
However, you make amazingly strong posts in your posts, backed up by facts and really in effect you could be speaking for me on here anyway were I not to be on.
You can really speak for me in full really.

Some have only come on to comment that I am being hard on people,then to pull Kizzy up for saying something in my defence,unbelievable.

I am fed up of the lot of it, I am really busy myself at present anyway and do not need this on here but it was between myself and arista.
I took it as I said to pm yesterday,as we are told to do and that should have been the end of it all and I thought it was too.
He was the one who continued it today on here however, and I am not prepared to, or going to, play his game.

Thank you Kizzy, by the way.
Don't worry about me and please don't get yourself into any bother on my behalf but a sincere thank you for your kind words and defence.

It is unbelievable that I as a member can make a long post summarising their opinion and observations on an issue,adding that because all seemed to be going round in circles that was their last word on the subject as I did,not needing to say any more even in reality on the issue too after that post,to then have to be hounded for saying and doing that elsewhere by someone else who until that point hadn't posted on the topic in hand there.

Just get on with it arista but annoy someone else, not me, and preferably,if I may suggest, off here, so that its not another member who gets the nonsense.

No wonder Josy made a thread as to serious debates difficulties, I apologise 100% to Josy for this from me today, I did however really try to have this sorted last night in private messaging but then found I had to deal with same again today on here.

I should not have to put up with that and I also will not, and should have the right to say so too.


Ahh good, you are back then.

[arista]

"Just get on with it arista but annoy someone else, not me"


I resent that
I post for the World of TIBB
Not just you

[Niamh.]

Even the Irish eh? thanks Arista :laugh:

[arista]

"My issue with arista,and I took it to him in a pm yesterday,(which clearly turned out to be a further waste of my time)"

I am sorry you thought I did not care
I do care.

I am on 4 Computers
At work
so you must not take me so deadly
as I am not

[arista]

Even the Irish eh? thanks Arista :laugh:


Yes respect to the Irish mods

[Kizzy]

Anyhoo

Former BBC economics editor Stephanie Flanders criticised on Sunday media coverage of her past relationship with Labour leader Ed Miliband.

Flanders registered her dismay on Twitter after the Sunday Times repeated reports about women dated by Miliband before marrying Justine Thornton.

She tweeted: “Sorry that @thesundaytimes follows Mail in raking over Miliband’s past today. We “dated” fleetingly in 2004. V costly few wks, it turns out.”


What's with all the muck raking at the times and the mail?... Absolutely pathetic.

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/apr/12/stephanie-flanders-criticises-press-ed-miliband-relationship-2004

[arista]

Anyhoo

Former BBC economics editor Stephanie Flanders criticised on Sunday media coverage of her past relationship with Labour leader Ed Miliband.

Flanders registered her dismay on Twitter after the Sunday Times repeated reports about women dated by Miliband before marrying Justine Thornton.

She tweeted: “Sorry that @thesundaytimes follows Mail in raking over Miliband’s past today. We “dated” fleetingly in 2004. V costly few wks, it turns out.”


What's with all the muck raking at the times and the mail?... Absolutely pathetic.

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/apr/12/stephanie-flanders-criticises-press-ed-miliband-relationship-2004


Yes in 2004 she was much younger.
She has Great Secrets on him
for her book

[smudgie]

Anyhoo

Former BBC economics editor Stephanie Flanders criticised on Sunday media coverage of her past relationship with Labour leader Ed Miliband.

Flanders registered her dismay on Twitter after the Sunday Times repeated reports about women dated by Miliband before marrying Justine Thornton.

She tweeted: “Sorry that @thesundaytimes follows Mail in raking over Miliband’s past today. We “dated” fleetingly in 2004. V costly few wks, it turns out.”


What's with all the muck raking at the times and the mail?... Absolutely pathetic.

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/apr/12/stephanie-flanders-criticises-press-ed-miliband-relationship-2004


Why on earth do we need to know who any of them dated before they married:shrug:
Must be a slow news week for the gutter press then.

[Kizzy]

Is the Times considered the gutter press? That's the issue I'd expect this rubbish from the sun or the mail... seems Rupert has all his media trained on the same target.

Anyone seen any coverage of the protests in parliament square this week... no? Didn't think so.

[smudgie]

Is the Times considered the gutter press? That's the issue I'd expect this rubbish from the sun or the mail... seems Rupert has all his media trained on the same target.

Anyone seen any coverage of the protests in parliament square this week... no? Didn't think so.

I reckon we are at the stage now that any of the press will scrawl any old rubbish if they think it will sell Kizzy.