Premier League 2015/16

[Tarryn]

Like every team that faces us now Sunderland just had to wait to score late against us.
Get that clown LVG out now & give it to Giggs.
How we are any where near the top 5/6 is beyond me.
We deserve everything that is happening to us.
Even Moyes was better than this.
The fact that Rodgers & Jose were sacked for far less damage than LVG is doing say's it all.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Great display from the Black Cats, dominated Man u and deserved the 3 points

Big Sam working his magic


:clap1:

[Denver]

Each Sunderland point is sending Villa one step closer to relegation :clap1:

[Christmas Dynasnow]

here for the rip-roaring goal-scoring super-irons grabbing 3 points and going above filthy united

:hee:

[Drew.]

WELBZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Christmas Dynasnow]

smh

[Christmas Dynasnow]

still, an ozil assist

[Shaun]

not quite a perfect day since otherwise Villa would be winning and blowing the relegation battle wide open but never mind

[In the Drunk Tank]

Must be fun being a Villa fan

[Christmas Dynasnow]

imagine getting battered by Liverpool

the shame

[Denver]

6-0 time for Liverpool to kick start their season :clap1:

[Locke.]

Great day. Completely different team with Sturridge and Coutinho involved.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

oh dear citeh


looks like they have given up - will they make top 4 now?

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Great day. Completely different team with Sturridge and Coutinho involved.

sturridge ls the real deal

[Black Dagger]

**** off LT x

[Christmas Dynasnow]

**** off LT x

Glynne reacts to hearing the score at the Etihad..

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Jess+Glynne+L1ff9-eET9km.jpg

[Shaun]

let's not celebrate Tottenham doing well

[GiRTh]

If we dont win the league and Leicester do then fair play they deserve it but if we finish below Spurs then Wenger has some questions to answer. How has Pochettino produced a side to seriously challenge for the title when two years ago he inherited a squad with some bad characters, expensive misfits and unreliable players? He's made only two big signings in the defender Alderweireld for 11 mill and Son for 20 mill while Wenger has been consistently finishing fourth and going out of every cup competition in March.

Delle Ali was signed in the same transfer window we signed Krystian Bielik - Yeah who? - Ali is only one year older. Look at how the players have progressed since.

We cant finish below Tottenham. It would be a disaster.

[Calderyon]

Really impressed by Leicester. I read a prediction before the start of the season and they said that this team would be battling against relegation and basically bashing it left and right, but look at them now. They are serious contenders to win the Premier League.

At the very least a Champions League spot is almost a given at this point.

Amazing job. :clap1:

Would Leicester´s win be one of the biggest upset ever on UK football?

[Denver]

Leicester has the easiest run in and I'll be supporting their title charge but a little part of me wants them to mess up

[Black Dagger]

Oh a lot of part of me wants to see them **** up now tbh. They were annoying as **** last weekend.

[Locke.]

Aston Villa manager Remi Garde watched his side lose 3-0 to the club's U21 development team in a behind closed doors match at their Bodymoor Heath training ground last Friday.

Villa first-team players Brad Guzan, Alan Hutton, Ciaran Clark, Kieran Richardson, Ashley Westwood, Jordan Veretout, Idrissa Gueye, Leandro Bacuna and Scott Sinclair all featured in the match, which offered little to please Garde.

With Villa not in FA Cup action last weekend, Garde gave his players two days off in the lead up to the match with the U21s, but it failed to have the desired effect.

According to The Birmingham Mail, Garde is expected to watch the U21 side in their clash against Swansea City on Monday as he weighs up possible changes to his team ahead of the trip to face Stoke City at the Britannia Stadium on Saturday.

It just gets worse and worse

[alex_front2]

Like every team that faces us now Sunderland just had to wait to score late against us.
Get that clown LVG out now & give it to Giggs.
How we are any where near the top 5/6 is beyond me.
We deserve everything that is happening to us.
Even Moyes was better than this.
The fact that Rodgers & Jose were sacked for far less damage than LVG is doing say's it all.
In last 3 seasons so many proud Man u records have fallen. No Fergie or top players bar De Gea means teams will try and nab three points/ win eg Sunderland, Midjylland etc. Man u will never be formidable as the Fergie sides.

[James]

I used this predictor tool - http://www.thesportspredictor.com/#/predictor/with/season,pro,hideFinished,showTools - for the remaining games of the season, and when I put in Leicester winning all their games (because they don't look too difficult) up to the last three, and then draws for the last three games, I got this result.

Pos Team Pld Pts
1 Leicester 38 83
2 Tottenham 38 82
3 Arsenal 38 81
4 Man City 38 79

[Brother Leon]

ArsenalFanTV and chill tonight :)

[Drew.]

Schooled by the worst United side i've ever seen full of reserve players.. This is up there with the worst weeks i've had as an Arsenal fan. Shows what giving youngsters a chance who are full of hunger can do.

This has been happening for more years than i can remember, the false hope of thinking we can go on to win the league. I'm so ****ing sick & fed of Arsene it's unreal.. He's given me everything i could have wished for but that was all 10+ years ago. Players have to take some blame, Theo and Ox have been shocking this season & i fear for their futures but players playing at 20% of their potential and results come down to the manager.

[Drew.]

But Arsene runs everything, it's his club.. we won't see the end of him until he decides himself.

[GiRTh]

We were lucky to get two goals. Fair play to united's kids. :facepalm:

Cant believe Walcott gave the ball away trying to dibble his way out of trouble for their first goal just like against Liverpool about 6 weeks ago, He's been at the club ten years but still makes the same mistakes over and over again. Cant call him a young player anymore, he'll be twenty seven next month. SMH. He's just not got it.

The squad are full of players who looked good when they were teenagers but now they're in their twenties, and some in their mid twenties, you have to ask - How much have they improved?

[GiRTh]

ArsenalFanTV and chill tonight :)Looking forward to Claude ripping into Wenger.:joker:

[Tarryn]

The one good thing about having so many injuries are our youth finally getting a chance.
The future looks promising.

[GiRTh]

Sorry to keep digging out Wallcott but 17 touches in the whole game. We may as well play with ten men.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

So that's arsenal out of the running

, 2 horse race now

[GiRTh]

Wallcott completed a total of four passes in the first half.

[Drew.]

Apart from his goal against Leicester he's been ****ing useless all season, same goes for the Ox. Both will be lucky to still be at the club this time next year

[GiRTh]

Ox is going the same way as Walcott.

[Brother Leon]

Don't worry Gunners fans. At least your neighbours will win the league.

[Drew.]

The one thing Arsenal and United definitely won't have in common is their neighbours winning the league

[GiRTh]

If we finish below Spurs then I want Wenger to reisgn. He's had years to get this team right so Poch beating him in less than three seasons would be humiliating IMO.

[Shaun]

Right, come on West Ham and Liverpool :clap1: (sorry Lucas)

[Denver]

Liverpool gettin revenge and ending Citehs title hopes :clap1:

[GiRTh]

Why is Campbell coming off? He's played great tonight. :bored:

[In the Drunk Tank]

City :fan:

Not even gonna get CL once we catch up with them

[GiRTh]

****** me.!!!!!!!

All we need now is for Walcott to give the ball away agan for Swanseas 3rd.

[Denver]

Why didn't Liverpool do this on Sunday? :facepalm:

[Black Dagger]

Liverpool gettin revenge and ending Citehs title hopes :clap1:

They ended in about January... and imagine saying 'citeh' sort your ****ing life out.

[Denver]

They ended in about January... and imagine saying 'citeh' sort your ****ing life out.

You seem mad?

[Drew.]

Whats sad more than anything is that Arsene has created a divide between himself and the fans and will leave the club as an unpopular man, i've seriously ****ing had enough of him

[GiRTh]

The way the ball goes up to Giroud then bounces straight back is doing my head in. Cant he hold it up? He's always trying some silly flick instead of holding the ball up.

[GiRTh]

Wenger wanted a reaction after Old Trafford and that was quite a reaction.

[In the Drunk Tank]

IRONS

[Drew.]

I've never had this much anger in me over a defeat before & it's mainly directed at Arsene.. i dont even know where to start

[Denver]

Glad Leicester wasn't penalised for a draw the unlikely title bid remains :clap2:

[Black Dagger]

die die die

[Babayaro.]

They ended in about January... and imagine saying 'citeh' sort your ****ing life out.

:joker: The sheer anger in this

[GiRTh]

I've never had this much anger in me over a defeat before & it's mainly directed at Arsene.. i dont even know where to startI'm only angry with myself for thinking this team could win the league, Looking back I think I kinda knew we werent good enough when we lost to Southampton on Boxing day. They beat us pretty easy that day and have not done much since except get a good result from us at our place. We are dead easy to play against and many teams have shown over a few seasons that we are very beatable.

I'm gonna repeat, that if we dont win the league then fair play to Leicester, they deserve it, but if we finish below Spurs then I want Wenger to resign in embarrassment.

Now we hear Wengers got 75 million to spend in the summer and is guaranteeing signings. Firstly, does he think the fans are stupid? He's promised this kind of bull before and done nothing . Secondly, what would be the point of spending 75 million if either Ozil or Alexis leave and there are rumours that both are not happy.

[Drew.]

I'm only angry with myself for thinking this team could win the league, Looking back I think I kinda knew we werent good enough when we lost to Southampton on Boxing day. They beat us pretty easy that day and have not done much since except get a good result from us at our place. We are dead easy to play against and many teams have shown over a few seasons that we are very beatable.

I'm gonna repeat, that if we dont win the league then fair play to Leicester, they deserve it, but if we finish below Spurs then I want Wenger to resign in embarrassment.

Now we hear Wengers got 75 million to spend in the summer and is guaranteeing signings. Firstly, does he think the fans are stupid? He's promised this kind of bull before and done nothing . Secondly, what would be the point of spending 75 million if either Ozil or Alexis leave and there are rumours that both are not happy.

At the start of the season this squad wouldn't be favourites to win the league up against Chelsea/City but theres no way we should be finishing below Leicester and Spurs.. given the circumstances that in itself means not winning the league is a complete failure. The man has lost it, has done for years. He's sitting pretty with a secure job and guaranteed millions year after year.. forget if we finish below Spurs he should go.. he should have gone a long time ago. Even if we somehow win the league still, his times up.

On the weekend

"We dropped three important points today. We need to bounce back on Wednesday night."

Tonight

"We have to get back to positive results. It's been very unpredictable this season. We need to focus on the next game.

He's so clueless and deluded it makes me angry. He's living from a script where it's almost the same things he's doing and saying week after week.. none of us fans deserve this ****

[karl100589]

I think he's a lovely man but for the sake of our safety McClaren needs to go now.

[GiRTh]

At the start of the season this squad wouldn't be favourites to win the league up against Chelsea/City but theres no way we should be finishing below Leicester and Spurs.. given the circumstances that in itself means not winning the league is a complete failure. The man has lost it, has done for years. He's sitting pretty with a secure job and guaranteed millions year after year.. forget if we finish below Spurs he should go.. he should have gone a long time ago. Even if we somehow win the league still, his times up.

On the weekend

"We dropped three important points today. We need to bounce back on Wednesday night."

Tonight

"We have to get back to positive results. It's been very unpredictable this season. We need to focus on the next game.

He's so clueless and deluded it makes me angry. He's living from a script where it's almost the same things he's doing and saying week after week.. none of us fans deserve this ****I completely agree with you on all points.

I think Leicester have been an amazing surprise so I dont begrudge them winning the league, they have a number of players who other teams didnt want and those players have shown their worth; but for our biggest rivals, who we were laughing at just a couple of years ago, to finish above us would be the absolute final straw for me. He has absolutely no excuse for letting our biggest rivals bridge the gap so easily.

[Brother Leon]

ArsenalFanTv and Chill twice in a week...what a time to be alive.

[Cherry Christmas]

Glad Leicester wasn't penalised for a draw the unlikely title bid remains :clap2:

:clap2: :fan:

[Drew.]

I completely agree with you on all points.

I think Leicester have been an amazing surprise so I dont begrudge them winning the league, they have a number of players who other teams didnt want and those players have shown their worth; but for our biggest rivals, who we were laughing at just a couple of years ago, to finish above us would be the absolute final straw for me. He has absolutely no excuse for letting our biggest rivals bridge the gap so easily.

Spurs winning the league would honestly break me. Theres a genuine hatred towards the club and knowing this is our best chance for 11 or so years only to be beaten by them would be crushing. I don't even want to think about it

I'm so excited for a new manager to come in with new ideas and bring in a completely different feel about the club but knowing Arsene is in a position where nobody will force him out is depressing and gives me no hope

[GiRTh]

As if the night couldn't get any worse we've got that thunderc&&nt Gabby Logan presenting MOTD. :facepalm:

[Shaun]

not to worry guys we're only playing Ospina at Spurs. A Spurs side that'll want to bounce back after tonight as well.

[GiRTh]

Just realised, we got Gabby Logan and Alan Shearer on MOTD at the same time. Awkward.

Not even that can cheer me up. :pipe:

[Denver]

Klopp has got to be one of the most likeable managers ever :flutter: such a great guy

[GiRTh]

Spurs winning the league would honestly break me. Theres a genuine hatred towards the club and knowing this is our best chance for 11 or so years only to be beaten by them would be crushing. I don't even want to think about it

I'm so excited for a new manager to come in with new ideas and bring in a completely different feel about the club but knowing Arsene is in a position where nobody will force him out is depressing and gives me no hopeWell said, I think juat about every Arsenal would agree with you.

[Tarryn]

Spurs winning the league would honestly break me. Theres a genuine hatred towards the club and knowing this is our best chance for 11 or so years only to be beaten by them would be crushing. I don't even want to think about it

I'm so excited for a new manager to come in with new ideas and bring in a completely different feel about the club but knowing Arsene is in a position where nobody will force him out is depressing and gives me no hope

This is how I felt when Man City won the league a few years back.
I honestly could not speak for about four hours.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Stupid Spurs, spent the whole half with the ball and go in 0-1

They cannot cross the bloody ball

[Denver]

Great result no time for Leicester to go even further clear :clap1:

It's like Arsenal want Liverpool to knock them out of the top 4 :hee:

[Drew.]

2-1 up against 10 men, theres the true bottlers.

Coq is such a ****ing idiot.. arguably cost us the 3 points. A point under the circumstances is good but Leicester winning later all but ends our title hopes.. lose and theres still some slim hope considering both Spurs and Leicester have tricky fixtures to come.

[GiRTh]

Strange game, We played better with Ten men than eleven.

I think that result means Arsenal will almost certainly finish below Spurs this season.

[GiRTh]

2-1 up against 10 men, theres the true bottlers.

Coq is such a ****ing idiot.. arguably cost us the 3 points. A point under the circumstances is good but Leicester winning later all but ends our title hopes.. lose and theres still some slim hope considering both Spurs and Leicester have tricky fixtures to come.Title hopes? Gave that up a few games ago. I just hope we finish above Spurs.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Not that impressed with either team, dont think I saw prem champs there

[Drew.]

Title hopes? Gave that up a few games ago. I just hope we finish above Spurs.

I tweeted after the game that our title hopes had gone.. but every time i look at the table and Spurs & Leicesters remaining fixtures i can still see a glimpse of hope. Leicester will be lucky to come away with 1 win from their final 3 games alone.

[alex_front2]

2-1 up against 10 men, theres the true bottlers.

Coq is such a ****ing idiot.. arguably cost us the 3 points. A point under the circumstances is good but Leicester winning later all but ends our title hopes.. lose and theres still some slim hope considering both Spurs and Leicester have tricky fixtures to come.


Leicester's only tricky fixtures are their last 3: Man u, Everton, Chelsea by which time LCFC may have already won the title. Also they are unbeaten by these sides.

[GiRTh]

I tweeted after the game that our title hopes had gone.. but every time i look at the table and Spurs & Leicesters remaining fixtures i can still see a glimpse of hope. Leicester will be lucky to come away with 1 win from their final 3 games alone.Possibly true but, I wouldnt rule out many more disappointing results from us before the end of the season.

[BBfanUSA]

Antonio better be careful, he might make it even for both sides again

[Christmas Dynasnow]

come on hammers

10 men and 45 mins to bury the toffees

[Shaun]

Wasn't really prepared for a game where I'd have been happy with a draw but...I suppose I am? Even if we could easily have won.

[BBfanUSA]

Feels weird for Everton not to piss away the lead for once (so far)

[BBfanUSA]

LOL, of course Lukaku doesn't convert the penalty

[Denver]

Bournemouth all but sealing survival :clap1:

[Drew.]

Leicester's only tricky fixtures are their last 3: Man u, Everton, Chelsea by which time LCFC may have already won the title. Also they are unbeaten by these sides.

They've had an amazing season but they'd be lucky to win 1 of those final 3 games, lets not get carried away.. This is a freak season they're having and they're not suddenly world beaters. Theres so much pressure building on them now it's going to be so hard for them.

Possibly true but, I wouldnt rule out many more disappointing results from us before the end of the season.

More poor results will probably come our way, i can't help but feel positive whilst theres a glimpse of hope though. That will all but fade away if Leicester win later though.

[BBfanUSA]

Called it

[Alf]

As soon as Lukaku missed that pen, I knew they'd come back.

Wouldn't be surprised if West Ham win it.

[Shaun]

All the bottling talk can stick with Everton in future pls

[Alf]

Told yeh

[BBfanUSA]

VINTAGE EVERTON

Of course

Sack Martinez ASAP

[Shaun]

Jesus

[Alf]

VINTAGE EVERTON

Of course

Sack Martinez ASAPI think if he doesn't take us to the Cup final, then it could be curtain's for him.

You can't expect to compete in the league if you're gonna concede goals so easily, which is what they've done all season.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

What a win for the Irons


:amazed:

[Drew.]

Great 3pm kick offs today.. that late Southampton goal could be so big for Newcastle in the long run

[Alf]

What a win for the Irons


:amazed:
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/110585647550-0-1/s-l1000.jpg

[Christmas Dynasnow]

and i will wager we will be first on MOTD

woop woop

[Black Dagger]

Excuse me. You shall not. We finally won a game in the PL again against the mighty Villa.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Excuse me. You shall not. We finally won a game in the PL again against the mighty Villa.

I would stick your game on MOTD 2

:idc:

[Brother Leon]

Mahrez sealing his POTY win with that goal.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

What a season

[GiRTh]

More poor results will probably come our way, i can't help but feel positive whilst theres a glimpse of hope though. That will all but fade away if Leicester win later though.Strange that of all the teams in the race, we're the ones with World cup winners, a champions league winner, a manager whos won the Premiership 3 times and has been at the club twenty years yet we are the team that is fading the most. I find that very worrying

[Drew.]

Strange that of all the teams in the race, we're the ones with World cup winners, a champions league winner, a manager whos won the Premiership 3 times and has been at the club twenty years yet we are the team that is fading the most. I find that very worrying

Yeah, it's pretty embarrassing really. You can win everything the game has to offer but you won't get anywhere without belief and motivation and thats non existent in our dressing room. We've got all these technically good players who have been part of cup winning squads but theres no leaders in there. And it all starts with the owners down to the manager who show no signs of motivating players, mainly because they're quite happy with 4th time and time again and have no need to worry.

The other scary thing is we don't even have a captain. I mean really what was the point in naming Arteta captain when the guy is always injured/never plays anyway & you've got Per who isn't very vocal at all and doesn't really drive the team on. The only other person worth giving the armband to is Wilshere who actually shows some desire when he plays but even then hes always injured. We desperately need to buy some vocal physical players in the summer.

[Black Dagger]

I would stick your game on MOTD 2

:idc:

Who asked? :idc:

[GiRTh]

Totally agree. The lack of leaders at Arsenal is something that has been an issue since Fabregas was still around. Yet many years later still nothing has been done.

[Alf]

I'd be delighted to have had the success that Arsenal have had in the past three seasons, two FA cups, that was the last trophy my great team won, 21 years ago.

You shouldn't be ungrateful with winning silverware.

[GiRTh]

I'd be delighted to have had the success that Arsenal have had in the past three seasons, two FA cups, that was the last trophy my great team won, 21 years ago.

You shouldn't be ungrateful with winning silverware.This is a fair point. Its not that Arsenal fans are claiming we should win everything its more the fact we cannot compete with any of the top clubs even though we pretty much beat them all financially. And the stadium and facilities are as good you will get in Europe.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/arsenal-earn-more-real-madrid-7217377

The link shows you that Arsenal make more money from home games than Real Madrid, Barcelona etc yet we dont stand much chance when we play them.

Its not that we should equate money with success but it is a little worrying that we fail to compete year after year with not only the top clubs in Europe but also in the Premiership. Maybe ticket prices should be lowered but for as long as Arsenal fans pay thru the nose to watch the team I think they are right to expect a team that, at least, competes with the best.

[Drew.]

I'd be delighted to have had the success that Arsenal have had in the past three seasons, two FA cups, that was the last trophy my great team won, 21 years ago.

You shouldn't be ungrateful with winning silverware.

I don't think anyone's ungrateful, those 2 days winning the FA Cup were two of the best days i've had in recent years, but i'm tired of Arsene having smaller things like that to use as his argument as to why the clubs successful and why hes the right man for the club. As great as they are, those 2 FA Cups shouldn't hide the fact how badly he's done these past 10 years, any other manager would be lucky to keep their job with an FA Cup win but doing as badly as he does in the league, let alone winning bugger all as he does every other season.

He refuses to improve the squad with £200m sitting in the bank putting us fans through more misery claiming he'd be overspending on players whilst every fan continues to overspend to support the club every week.. he's a joke & the clubs a joke at the moment

[GiRTh]

I don't think anyone's ungrateful, those 2 days winning the FA Cup were two of the best days i've had in recent years, but i'm tired of Arsene having smaller things like that to use as his argument as to why the clubs successful and why hes the right man for the club. As great as they are, those 2 FA Cups shouldn't hide the fact how badly he's done these past 10 years, any other manager would be lucky to keep their job with an FA Cup win but doing as badly as he does in the league, let alone winning bugger all as he does every other season.

He refuses to improve the squad with £200m sitting in the bank putting us fans through more misery claiming he'd be overspending on players whilst every fan continues to overspend to support the club every week.. he's a joke & the clubs a joke at the moment:clap1:

Wenger loses sympathy whe he makes it clear that he's not prepared to overspend but he doesn't care how much the fans spend. He had the nerve to say the other day that Arsenal should be treated like a business!!!!!

In the business world, if you charge more for your product than other companies who make a superior product then inevitably that will lead to customer dissatisfaction with your product. Its basic business so what the hell is he on about? :idc:

[Alf]

I think you've suffered with a lot of injury's which is just an unlucky part of football.

Wilshire, whom I'm a big fan of (when he play's) seems to have missed more games then he's played.

And players like Welbeck, Walcott, Arteta, The Ox and others have been on the injury list this season.

When you can't get a settled side of your best players, then inconsistency can creep in.

There's no guarantee that a new manager can take them further, but you do know that Wenger is a successful manager that puts silverware in the trophy cabinet.

[Shaun]

Of those injuries though I'd only really say Wilshere, Welbeck and occasionally Walcott are first team quality and even then you'd have to ask if they're really title-challenging quality. I'd personally get rid of Ox, Walcott & the older players that're just hanging around in the medical room and taking a healthy wage for pretty much nothing (Arteta, Rosicky - even though I've been fond of the latter in the past).

[Drew.]

I think you've suffered with a lot of injury's which is just an unlucky part of football.

Wilshire, whom I'm a big fan of (when he play's) seems to have missed more games then he's played.

And players like Welbeck, Walcott, Arteta, The Ox and others have been on the injury list this season.

When you can't get a settled side of your best players, then inconsistency can creep in.

There's no guarantee that a new manager can take them further, but you do know that Wenger is a successful manager that puts silverware in the trophy cabinet.

As much as i like those players you've mentioned they aren't going to win us much even when fit (apart from Wilshere). I've got no complaints over the signings of Ox and Walcott because they were really good talents when we signed them but Theo has never and will never reach his prime, he's been a huge disappointment. Ox has pretty much stalled and isn't reaching his potential, he doesn't look like hes getting the coaching and confidence he needs behind the scenes. So they're 2 players we don't really miss when injured.

As for Arteta and Welbeck, 2 proven players hes signed.. we should be spending much more money on much better players, we won't get anywhere with those two. I love Welbeck but he's not going to take you from 4th to 1st. I know i've gone a bit off topic but everything's frustrating me at the moment. Half the players we've had injured this season we haven't really missed and that says a lot about how bad some of them are/been playing.

Theres no guarantee's we'll improve under a new manager but if you ask most Arsenal fans theres definitely a belief he's holding us back and that theres so much room for improvement under a new manager which Arsene isn't giving us.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Disgraceful that the Wham game was not first on MOTD with the Foxes next and arsetott 3rd

[Christmas Dynasnow]

shocking dive to get a pen

poor palace

[Shaun]

Furthest thing from a dive you can get, Delaney might as well take up a career in kickboxing the nasty brute.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Furthest thing from a dive you can get, Delaney might as well take up a career in kickboxing the nasty brute.

it was a total dive and tonight on MOTD2 it will be confirmed

absolute disgrace

[Nicky91]

Depay on the bench :hehe: :shocked:



well he can count his money on the bench :joker: :joker:

[Merry Mockmas]

As much as i like those players you've mentioned they aren't going to win us much even when fit (apart from Wilshere). I've got no complaints over the signings of Ox and Walcott because they were really good talents when we signed them but Theo has never and will never reach his prime, he's been a huge disappointment. Ox has pretty much stalled and isn't reaching his potential, he doesn't look like hes getting the coaching and confidence he needs behind the scenes. So they're 2 players we don't really miss when injured.

As for Arteta and Welbeck, 2 proven players hes signed.. we should be spending much more money on much better players, we won't get anywhere with those two. I love Welbeck but he's not going to take you from 4th to 1st. I know i've gone a bit off topic but everything's frustrating me at the moment. Half the players we've had injured this season we haven't really missed and that says a lot about how bad some of them are/been playing.

Theres no guarantee's we'll improve under a new manager but if you ask most Arsenal fans theres definitely a belief he's holding us back and that theres so much room for improvement under a new manager which Arsene isn't giving us.

If Arsenal sacked Arsene Wenger they'll hit the rut that Liverpool have hit since Rafa Benitez went, and that laughable and disgraceful team pretending to be Aston Villa.

[Denver]

Liverpool coming for Arsenal :clap1:

[Merry Mockmas]

shocking dive to get a pen

poor palace

The way people like Jamie Carragher was pretending it was a penalty just because it was Liverpool.:joker:

I can understand Alan Pardew's frustrations as his job is clearly on the line and the Referee has made it worse by giving a penalty that wasn't a penalty and Palace wasn't even allowed to fight back either.

I thought that we can be harshly treated in the Premier League by the Referees when we're up there, but that was a new low what I saw today and the fact that Jamie Carragher was so biased as to make it come off like it's not just a penalty but making out that it was a BLATANT! one is what imo should get him into a lot of trouble from Sky Sports as his not doing his job by being impartial.

And btw I'm more on the fence with Crystal Palace as a team so this isn't some upset fan of the team kicking up a stink at the result.

[Drew.]

If Arsenal sacked Arsene Wenger they'll hit the rut that Liverpool have hit since Rafa Benitez went, and that laughable and disgraceful team pretending to be Aston Villa.

No chance, so many differences between our situation to Liverpools/Villas.

[GiRTh]

No chance, so many differences between our situation to Liverpools/Villas.x2

[Alf]

Arsenal are the third most successful club of all time in England, and Wenger is that clubs most successful manager of all time.

As Arsenal fans you should feel yourselves very privileged to have been around in Wenger's era.

Unless your situation gets drastically bad (which it's far from at the moment), then Wenger should never be pushed out of his job, he should have the privilege to leave at his own will for what he's done for your club and the great times he's given you.


You don't know how well you had it until it's gone.

[Drew.]

It's all well and good saying "You don't know how well you had it until it's gone" but realistically what we once had has been gone for the past 10 years. He has kept his job for the past 10/11 years because of what he achieved when he first arrived.. he's been unsuccessful in the league for every single one of those seasons. He's refused to spend money and has kept us back when we have the resources to be a much more competitive team than we currently are. He's only there because he knows his job will never be at risk & hes earning a nice few million every year, it's not a healthy situation and what hes won all those years ago shouldn't mean he deserves to still be in the job.

[Alf]

But Drew, you've won the past two FA cups, and you're still in this year's.

Your still in the title race (plenty of up and down moments still to come in that yet, keep the faith), and you qualify to play in the champions league nearly every season.

This guy is an Immortal of your club, He's what Busby and Ferguson are to Man Utd, what Shankly is to Liverpool, what Clough is Nottingham Forest.

Just enjoy him while he last's

[Drew.]

The FA Cups don't hide the frustration of his failures for the past 10 years though. I mean, somethings got to be wrong when 90% of the fans have had enough.. even those that wanted him to stay at the start of the season are now wanting change. Arsene doesn't enjoy the CL, nor do the owners, coming top 4 is just a way to make some $$$. What fun is it coming 4th/3rd every season and then getting knocked out straight away in the CL? We've got the resources to be competing in these competitions and they're not being used and fans are being asked week after week to spend hundreds of pounds to make the games.

Arsene makes top 4, owners get their money, Arsene keeps his job, everyone's happy. They don't give a toss about the fans.

[GiRTh]

Wenger has been Arsenals greatest ever manager but recently there have been far more negatives than positives. Arsenal is not a retirement home for Wenger so if he's not doing the job he needs to feel the pressure. All good things have to end sometime and due to his age the end must be soon.

[GiRTh]

The FA Cups don't hide the frustration of his failures for the past 10 years though. I mean, somethings got to be wrong when 90% of the fans have had enough.. even those that wanted him to stay at the start of the season are now wanting change. Arsene doesn't enjoy the CL, nor do the owners, coming top 4 is just a way to make some $$$. What fun is it coming 4th/3rd every season and then getting knocked out straight away in the CL? We've got the resources to be competing in these competitions and they're not being used and fans are being asked week after week to spend hundreds of pounds to make the games.

Arsene makes top 4, owners get their money, Arsene keeps his job, everyone's happy. They don't give a toss about the fans.Agree. There are many people who a couple of years ago would not listen to any dissenting voice but even most of those fans are running out of patience.

[Alf]

I get the feeling you want Jose, am I right?

[GiRTh]

I dont care one way or the other about Jose just as long as some fresh ideas come into the club.

[Drew.]

I'd rather have Arsene for another 10 unsuccessful years

[Denver]

Jose is a one season Wonderer

[Brother Leon]

Jose is coming to United...where he's always wanted to be.

[Alf]

Jose is coming to United...where he's always wanted to be.
I'd be surprised, he doesn't usually join sinking ships.

[Black Dagger]

Jose is United all over.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

disgraceful pen against palace


it seems now that if you touch a player in the box its a pen?

wrong, you need to foul a player and clearly NO foul was committed. Terrible decision and shame on that plank lawrenson for trying to say it was

[Denver]

He took him out with his knee as soon as contact was made Benteke was going down it was a clear Penalty

[Christmas Dynasnow]

He took him out with his knee as soon as contact was made Benteke was going down it was a clear Penalty

he did not take him out

he touched his foot and Benteke dived

if i met you and shook your hand you would not fall down

it was a dive


no foul was committed, you are allowed to make contact with players

[Shaun]

It wasn't a dive and that's that.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

It wasn't a dive and that's that.

I t makes this look legit


http://worldsoccertalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/robben-dive.gif

[Merry Mockmas]

It wasn't a dive and that's that.

It really was and Alan Pardew was right on if it was the other way around Delaney would've been booked for diving and rightly so if it was to happen.

[GiRTh]

Its one of those, as the pundits say. If he doesn't go down he doesn' t get the penalty - fact. But you have to questions how Benteke, who is known for his strength and ability to hold off defenders, can go down so easily

[In the Drunk Tank]

Carroll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Christmas Dynasnow]

and a payet assist

:hee:

[Shaun]

I am bored of these bastard useless teams rolling over and gifting Leicester easy boring wins

**** the underdog story IN THE ASS

[alex_front2]

I am bored of these bastard useless teams rolling over and gifting Leicester easy boring wins

**** the underdog story IN THE ASS

It does feel like teams are rolling over and allowing Leicester to win. Even Pulis admitted he was happy to draw. Ffs, was convinced the Leicester fairytale would end at Selhurst Park. Leicester winning has cost me £80 now. :fist::fist::fist: :cloud::cloud::yuk::yuk:

[Christmas Dynasnow]

come on siggi we need another from you

[Babayaro.]

Do you have him in your fantasy team too?

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Do you have him in your fantasy team too?

as captain today

[Babayaro.]

I was going to captain him too but I opted for Kane instead :fc:

[Merry Mockmas]

I am bored of these bastard useless teams rolling over and gifting Leicester easy boring wins

**** the underdog story IN THE ASS

No way as it beats having the boring Man Utd, Man City, Chelsea domination.

Leicester, Tottenham, or Arsenal to win.:dance:

[Shaun]

I think I read they've had thirteen 1-0 wins this season. That's ridiculous. I mean it's damn effective obviously and great for them but god is it boring :sad:

In an ideal world the most entertaining team wins a surprise league title. Which this year would be West Ham.

[Brother Leon]

711284476597379073

Lol. Bitter *****.

[Black Dagger]

**** off x

[Denver]

What the hell was Klopp thinking playing Skrtel? Someone needs to force the useless twat to retire.

[Cherry Christmas]

I think I read they've had thirteen 1-0 wins this season. That's ridiculous. I mean it's damn effective obviously and great for them but god is it boring :sad:

In an ideal world the most entertaining team wins a surprise league title. Which this year would be West Ham.

You not chanting 1 nil to the Arsenal any more :laugh:

[Shaun]

Haven't been for about 10 years :sad:

Well at least third is secured after today.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

can Pep keep them up next season?

It will be so exiting to see if he can

[Denver]

Haven't been for about 10 years :sad:

Well at least third is secured after today.

Are you sure? :fan:

[Denver]

If it says the way it is Leicester can win the title next week if they better Tottenham score

[Denver]

Never mind I've just saw Tottenham has scored

[Merry Mockmas]

Aston Villa will be joining us in the Championship to be slaughtered against us after today.:clap1::dance:

[Nicky91]

Aston Villa will be joining us in the Championship to be slaughtered against us after today.:clap1::dance:

respect for you Mock :) :clap1: :clap1:

[Merry Mockmas]

respect for you Mock :) :clap1: :clap1:

Thank you Nicky.

Good luck if PSV get them in the friendlies for next season, you'll be scoring double digits.:dance:

[BBfanUSA]

LOL at Sunderland possibly avoiding relegation at the brink of death again

[Merry Mockmas]

Tbf Sunderland have been playing great lately, they've just been having some bad luck go their way.

And in all seriousness it's a shame that so many people will be losing their jobs at Villa just because their players are lazy ****s.

[BBfanUSA]

Can anyone get Everton vs Southhampton over there,

It sounds so quiet today.

[Merry Mockmas]

Can anyone get Everton vs Southhampton over there,

It sounds so quiet today.

Not as quiet as West Brom vs Watford apparently.

[Alf]

You've gotta hand it to Spurs, they've handled the pressure for the past two weeks and quite comfortably.

They're not going down without a fight, and in-fact are looking the team that's finishing the race the strongest.

Squeeky bum time now for Leicester, they may need to win 3 of their last 4 the way Spurs are playing.

[alex_front2]

Look away Gooners:

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CgWz5nfWIAEvvPZ.jpg

Spurs are a better team than Leicester no doubt about it. Most goals scored fewest conceded. Play great football. There is a new order in North London and Gooners won't like it. :laugh2: Sorry Arsenal fans but Poch has done what Wenger dreamt of :


built a young squad, the only real oldie is Lloris
built a great English core (Kane,Dier, Rose, Walker, Allie, Trippier)
spent shrewdly but frugily in transfer market, no big splashy names
got rid of Adebayor in a clever manner :laugh2:


The end of St Totteridge day has arrived.

Poch is great at nurturing young (English) talent at Soton and now Spurs. Harry Kane still under Tim Sherwood could easily have ended up a Cameron Jerome.

Leicester can still win title, but I can't see Spurs dropping any points. Next up for Spurs, West Bromwich, who are on the beach and will be an easy 3 points for Spurs. Pulis sides usually fight tooth and nail to defend and stop opoosition but there is nothing for WBA to defend, mid table is assured again. Beharino probably won't score as he wants to join Spurs. Rondon has disappointed.

However if anything the loss of red card Vardy for 2 remaining 4 games will kill Leicester's title bid, rather than lacking bottle. As much as I like him, I do think Ranieri is too soft. Probably why he's the nearly man of titles. He's let them have days off. Poch has made his players come in on days off.

Leicester City simply have no consistent reliable goalscorer past Vardy. Ulloa is a championship player* and Okazaki is great opening up space and creating chances but not a finisher you need when you are on title hunt. The amount of times he can't stretch his legs for ball is weird as short cakes Messi and Aguero can. Mahrez does score and assist, can be a genius but is also extremely lazy (one of laziest in PL) and lacks urgency. He can easily never score again this season. Albrighton is a Villa reject. Mahrez crap penalty miss in 0-0 v Villa will come back to haunt Leicester as will his other miss Bournemouth. Kante is great as a box to box/ holding midfielder but he won't score goals. Gray is too young and is no Dele Alli/ Rashford. Then you look at the likes of the 2nd string and fringe players like Andy King, Sclupp, Amatey who are unlikely to do anything.

Leicester sqaud is thinnest and has least depth in EPL which is remarkable when you factor in Aston Villa (who had great youths but didn't play them). Spurs could cope without Kane, LCFC are screwed without Vardy. Ironically I don't think Ranieri has tinkered enough. Relying on a few star players is not best practice for all sorts of reasons, it's screwed Barcelona this season, always playing Messi, Neymar and Suarez and yet their bench is far better than most PL starting XI.

Bizarrely enough this is where. LCFC transfer flop Inler could step up to the mark and be a wild card hero.

* Can't bare mediocre foreign players like Ulloa who are no better than British players. If a foreign player has no chance of being in International squad, I question their presence in EPL. OK, so Ulloa is never going to just Argentineans Aguero and of course Messi but no one in Argentine had even headed of him when he scored all those goals against Man U last season.

[GiRTh]

Spurs look very good. Give them a couple more seasons and they will be one of the teams to beat.

If Arsenal fans saw half the fight in their team that we've seen from Spurs tonight, Liverpool against Dortmund and Athetico Madrid against Barca then I think there would be hardly any fans calling for Wengers head.

[alex_front2]

Wenger has been at Arsenal too long and got set in old fashion out moded ways that no longer work. Sir Alex Fergie kept changing his no 2 and support backroom team (Rene Meulenstein, Brian Kidd, Steve McLaren, Carlos Quieros etc) so long term players got new messages. Wenger has kept Bould and stagnated.

Wenger lost Viera (11 years at Arsenal ) to Man City (1 season) as a coach, now Poch is apparently tapping up Arsenal captain Arteta to be a Spurs coach :puzzled::puzzled::hehe:

Arsenal are out of ideas and are just stealing from Leicester now , they poached their technical scout, and now want Kante, Mahrez and even young defender Chilwell.

I used to see Wenger as quite smart, now he seems foolhardy, deluded and arrogant, like LVG.

[Cherry Christmas]

Squeaky bum time for Leicester

[Cherry Christmas]

You've gotta hand it to Spurs, they've handled the pressure for the past two weeks and quite comfortably.

They're not going down without a fight, and in-fact are looking the team that's finishing the race the strongest.

Squeeky bum time now for Leicester, they may need to win 3 of their last 4 the way Spurs are playing.

Oh just saw this :joker: I can spell squeaky though :hmph:

[GiRTh]

Wenger has been at Arsenal too long and got set in old fashion out moded ways that no longer work. Sir Alex Fergie kept changing his no 2 and support backroom team (Rene Meulenstein, Brian Kidd, Steve McLaren, Carlos Quieros etc) so long term players got new messages. Wenger has kept Bould and stagnated.

Wenger lost Viera (11 years at Arsenal ) to Man City (1 season) as a coach, now Poch is apparently tapping up Arsenal captain Arteta to be a Spurs coach :puzzled::puzzled::hehe:

Arsenal are out of ideas and are just stealing from Leicester now , they poached their technical scout, and now want Kante, Mahrez and even young defender Chilwell.

I used to see Wenger as quite smart, now he seems foolhardy, deluded and arrogant, like LVG.Wnger is all of those.

[alex_front2]

Spurs look very good. Give them a couple more seasons and they will be one of the teams to beat.

Hard to tell, as long as Spurs can keep hold of the Poch and Kane* they will be competing for top 4. Title will be harder with Pep's Man City, Jose's Man U and Conte's Chelsea. However, whereas the best of Leicester will be picked off and poached (Kante, Mahrez, Chilwell, Schmeichel), Spurs team is built to last and will have advantage of familiarity with each other whearas I suspect Mourinho, Pep and co will rip out their team and start from scratch, strangers playing together, having to adjust etc.

* Rumours that Poch is wanted by Real Madrid and Man U won't die and today's papers say Bayern and Madrid both want Kane who is seen as England's only sold class player.

[Alf]

Oh just saw this :joker: I can spell squeaky though :hmph:
That's because when I was at School, I was a rebel, you where the teachers pet.

[Merry Mockmas]

Look away Gooners:

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CgWz5nfWIAEvvPZ.jpg

Spurs are a better team than Leicester no doubt about it. Most goals scored fewest conceded. Play great football. There is a new order in North London and Gooners won't like it. :laugh2: Sorry Arsenal fans but Poch has done what Wenger dreamt of :


built a young squad, the only real oldie is Lloris
built a great English core (Kane,Dier, Rose, Walker, Allie, Trippier)
spent shrewdly but frugily in transfer market, no big splashy names
got rid of Adebayor in a clever manner :laugh2:


The end of St Totteridge day has arrived.

Poch is great at nurturing young (English) talent at Soton and now Spurs. Harry Kane still under Tim Sherwood could easily have ended up a Cameron Jerome.

Leicester can still win title, but I can't see Spurs dropping any points. Next up for Spurs, West Bromwich, who are on the beach and will be an easy 3 points for Spurs. Pulis sides usually fight tooth and nail to defend and stop opoosition but there is nothing for WBA to defend, mid table is assured again. Beharino probably won't score as he wants to join Spurs. Rondon has disappointed.

However if anything the loss of red card Vardy for 2 remaining 4 games will kill Leicester's title bid, rather than lacking bottle. As much as I like him, I do think Ranieri is too soft. Probably why he's the nearly man of titles. He's let them have days off. Poch has made his players come in on days off.

Leicester City simply have no consistent reliable goalscorer past Vardy. Ulloa is a championship player* and Okazaki is great opening up space and creating chances but not a finisher you need when you are on title hunt. The amount of times he can't stretch his legs for ball is weird as short cakes Messi and Aguero can. Mahrez does score and assist, can be a genius but is also extremely lazy (one of laziest in PL) and lacks urgency. He can easily never score again this season. Albrighton is a Villa reject. Mahrez crap penalty miss in 0-0 v Villa will come back to haunt Leicester as will his other miss Bournemouth. Kante is great as a box to box/ holding midfielder but he won't score goals. Gray is too young and is no Dele Alli/ Rashford. Then you look at the likes of the 2nd string and fringe players like Andy King, Sclupp, Amatey who are unlikely to do anything.

Leicester sqaud is thinnest and has least depth in EPL which is remarkable when you factor in Aston Villa (who had great youths but didn't play them). Spurs could cope without Kane, LCFC are screwed without Vardy. Ironically I don't think Ranieri has tinkered enough. Relying on a few star players is not best practice for all sorts of reasons, it's screwed Barcelona this season, always playing Messi, Neymar and Suarez and yet their bench is far better than most PL starting XI.

Bizarrely enough this is where. LCFC transfer flop Inler could step up to the mark and be a wild card hero.

* Can't bare mediocre foreign players like Ulloa who are no better than British players. If a foreign player has no chance of being in International squad, I question their presence in EPL. OK, so Ulloa is never going to just Argentineans Aguero and of course Messi but no one in Argentine had even headed of him when he scored all those goals against Man U last season.

Don't underestimate Ulloa, he played quite well when he came on against West Ham imo, I think his ready for this challenge moreso than the other Leicester players as he has a point to prove, and I also think that him and Okazaki will cover up each others weaknesses in a similar vain to the Vardy and Okazaki partnership.

[Drew.]

Look away Gooners:

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CgWz5nfWIAEvvPZ.jpg

Spurs are a better team than Leicester no doubt about it. Most goals scored fewest conceded. Play great football. There is a new order in North London and Gooners won't like it. :laugh2: Sorry Arsenal fans but Poch has done what Wenger dreamt of :


built a young squad, the only real oldie is Lloris
built a great English core (Kane,Dier, Rose, Walker, Allie, Trippier)
spent shrewdly but frugily in transfer market, no big splashy names
got rid of Adebayor in a clever manner :laugh2:


The end of St Totteridge day has arrived.

Poch is great at nurturing young (English) talent at Soton and now Spurs. Harry Kane still under Tim Sherwood could easily have ended up a Cameron Jerome.



Lets not act like Poch is the first manager to do all of this. Arsene has managed all of those objectives in the past, it's not something he dreams about doing now, it's just something hes failing at doing. You like thousands of others are getting ahead of yourself, this is probably the best squad Spurs have had and theres still a chance they'll be beaten to it by Leicester lol, that speaks volumes in itself. Most of us Arsenal fans aren't bitter. We respect what Poch is doing and appreciate how good Spurs are now.. they can have this season finishing above us which is what, the first time in 20/21 years? They are still a club that will lose their best players once the $$$ comes along. We still **** all over them in every way possible. Always have, always will.

[Black Dagger]

Tottenham are the bestest,

[alex_front2]

Lets not act like Poch is the first manager to do all of this. Arsene has managed all of those objectives in the past, it's not something he dreams about doing now, it's just something hes failing at doing. You like thousands of others are getting ahead of yourself, this is probably the best squad Spurs have had and theres still a chance they'll be beaten to it by Leicester lol, that speaks volumes in itself. Most of us Arsenal fans aren't bitter. We respect what Poch is doing and appreciate how good Spurs are now.. they can have this season finishing above us which is what, the first time in 20/21 years? They are still a club that will lose their best players once the $$$ comes along. We still **** all over them in every way possible. Always have, always will.

Arsenal fans not bitter? If you liked up bitter in the dictionary you'd see a pack of whiney angry embittered Gooners whining about why they no longer players like Bergkamp, Seaman, Henry et al.

The Poch is the first manager in about 12 years to do all the things i listed well and win [they will] the EPL. Mourinho, Manchini and Pelligrini relied on older foreign players. Fergie used to have Brits when he joined Man U in 1986, but increasingly used foreign and older players after Class of 92 dispersed.

Don't get me wrong, I am no Spurs fan (I support an English lower league side and a non league side plus St Pauli in Germany, Atletico Bilbao and Rayo Vallecano in Spain) but Arsenal fans have been excruciatingly smug about Spurs for years, even I am enjoying Arsenals downfall/ continued decline. Spurs will dominate North London for years to come (providing Poch and Kane remain). Levy finally has a manager he won't sack and a manager who doesn't spend loads of money but develops kids so Levy can get on with the new White Hart Lane stadium. Poch has a vision, energy, ideas. Wenger has none of these now. His new tactic is just to steal whatever Leicester has. Lazy git. Arsenal don't seem to be planning for the post Wenger era. Who will be managing Arsenal 2017/18?

As for your reasoning that Spurs title win will be devalued as they beat Leicester is moot. The title winners (if not LCFC) would have to beat Leicester like Chelsea did last year...and everyone else :laugh2: Spurs EPL title won't be any less because their main challengers are Leicester. The table doesn't lie. Leicester have been better than everyone else - except Spurs in the end. People can't get their heads around this as Leicester's team is made up for non leaguers (Vardy), lower level French football rejects (Mahrez, Kante), Man U youth cast offs (Drinkwater, Simpson) and damningly a player deemed not good enough for Villa (Albrighton). Arsenal will finish below this. Spurs probably won't. Ozil , Mertsacker, and Sanchez officially worse than Marc Albrighton, Schlupp and Wes Morgan :laugh3: And I wouldn't laugh too hard as a Gooners if Leicester win the title, be depressed that Marc Albrighton and Simpson will have a winners medal , not the likes of Bellerin

[Drew.]

Arsenal fans not bitter? If you liked up bitter in the dictionary you'd see a pack of whiney angry embittered Gooners whining about why they no longer players like Bergkamp, Seaman, Henry et al.

The Poch is the first manager in about 12 years to do all the things i listed well and win [they will] the EPL. Mourinho, Manchini and Pelligrini relied on older foreign players. Fergie used to have Brits when he joined Man U in 1986, but increasingly used foreign and older players after Class of 92 dispersed.

Don't get me wrong, I am no Spurs fan (I support an English lower league side and a non league side plus St Pauli in Germany, Atletico Bilbao and Rayo Vallecano in Spain) but Arsenal fans have been excruciatingly smug about Spurs for years, even I am enjoying Arsenals downfall/ continued decline. Spurs will dominate North London for years to come (providing Poch and Kane remain). Levy finally has a manager he won't sack and a manager who doesn't spend loads of money but develops kids so Levy can get on with the new White Hart Lane stadium. Poch has a vision, energy, ideas. Wenger has none of these now. His new tactic is just to steal whatever Leicester has. Lazy git. Arsenal don't seem to be planning for the post Wenger era. Who will be managing Arsenal 2017/18?

As for your reasoning that Spurs title win will be devalued as they beat Leicester is moot. The title winners (if not LCFC) would have to beat Leicester like Chelsea did last year...and everyone else :laugh2: Spurs EPL title won't be any less that their main challengers are Leicester. The table doesn't lie. Leicester have been better than everyone else -except Spurs. People can't get their heads around this as Leicester's team is made up for non leaguers (Vardy), lower level French football rejects (Mahrez, Kante), Man U rejects (Drinkwater, Simpson) and damningly a player deemed not good enough for Villa (Albrighton). Arsenal will finish below this. Spurs probably won't. Ozil , Mertsacker, and Sanchez officially worse than Marc Albrighton, Schlupp and Wes Morgan :laugh3:

**** me, i'm ending this short discussion before it even begins, you are unbearable. Credit for the trolling effort though, it worked to an extent

[Shaun]

drag it sis

[GiRTh]

Arsenal fans not bitter? If you liked up bitter in the dictionary you'd see a pack of whiney angry embittered Gooners whining about why they no longer players like Bergkamp, Seaman, Henry et al.

The Poch is the first manager in about 12 years to do all the things i listed well and win [they will] the EPL. Mourinho, Manchini and Pelligrini relied on older foreign players. Fergie used to have Brits when he joined Man U in 1986, but increasingly used foreign and older players after Class of 92 dispersed.

Don't get me wrong, I am no Spurs fan (I support an English lower league side and a non league side plus St Pauli in Germany, Atletico Bilbao and Rayo Vallecano in Spain) but Arsenal fans have been excruciatingly smug about Spurs for years, even I am enjoying Arsenals downfall/ continued decline. Spurs will dominate North London for years to come (providing Poch and Kane remain). Levy finally has a manager he won't sack and a manager who doesn't spend loads of money but develops kids so Levy can get on with the new White Hart Lane stadium. Poch has a vision, energy, ideas. Wenger has none of these now. His new tactic is just to steal whatever Leicester has. Lazy git. Arsenal don't seem to be planning for the post Wenger era. Who will be managing Arsenal 2017/18?

As for your reasoning that Spurs title win will be devalued as they beat Leicester is moot. The title winners (if not LCFC) would have to beat Leicester like Chelsea did last year...and everyone else :laugh2: Spurs EPL title won't be any less because their main challengers are Leicester. The table doesn't lie. Leicester have been better than everyone else - except Spurs in the end. People can't get their heads around this as Leicester's team is made up for non leaguers (Vardy), lower level French football rejects (Mahrez, Kante), Man U youth cast offs (Drinkwater, Simpson) and damningly a player deemed not good enough for Villa (Albrighton). Arsenal will finish below this. Spurs probably won't. Ozil , Mertsacker, and Sanchez officially worse than Marc Albrighton, Schlupp and Wes Morgan :laugh3: And I wouldn't laugh too hard as a Gooners if Leicester win the title, be depressed that Marc Albrighton and Simpson will have a winners medal , not the likes of BellerinTBH, I'm not surprised you are enjoying this. Arsenal fans have been extremely smug about our team for a while and about our manager for a while and now people are seeing that neither the team or manager are anything to be smug about. We deserve this TBH

I'm at the stage where I say, keep Ozil, Sanchez, Cech, Koscielny and Bellerin and frankly I would not mind if any of the rest leave the club. Wenger has been far too loyal to players who have let him down time and time again.

[alex_front2]

**** me, i'm ending this short discussion before it even begins, you are unbearable. Credit for the trolling effort though, it worked to an extent

I'm not a Spurs fans and what I wrote (albeit with obvious tongue in cheek bits) was otherwise earnest.

Arsenal are in decline and will continue to do so under Arsene.

[Alf]

We love you Everton, We Do
We love you Everton, We Do
We love you Everton, We Do
Oh, Everton we love you


Come on The Toffees!

[GiRTh]

Martinez must be under pressure. Cant see how Everton are so far down in the league with their squad.

How does a team allow itself to defend over 40 shots on goal, fifteen on target.

[Alf]

And we'll really shake em up
When we win the F A cup
Because Everton are the greatest football team

[Denver]

That Everton defender needs to be given a life long ban vile scum

[Alf]

That Everton defender needs to be given a life long ban vile scumNever a sending off, not his fault the Liverpool player was a wuss.

[Denver]

Never a sending off, not his fault the Liverpool player was a wuss.

He could of ended his career then cheered about the fac

[GiRTh]

Never a sending off, not his fault the Liverpool player was a wuss.Wasnt the Liverpool player stretchered off the pitch?

[Alf]

Wasnt the Liverpool player stretchered off the pitch?Exactly, what a wuss

[GiRTh]

Exactly, what a wuss:joker:

[GiRTh]

LMAo @ John Stones giving the ball away again for a Liverpool goal.

[billy123]

Funes Mori was a disgrace and an embarrassment to Everton i hope he got to the car park to find Sakho smashing his car up with his 20 inch cock.

iFMIuIpTYiU

[Christmas Dynasnow]

well i would not want to be an everton fan this morning, what a fiasco

[ChristmasNeeve]

Funes Mori was a disgrace and an embarrassment to Everton i hope he got to the car park to find Sakho smashing his car up with his 20 inch cock.

iFMIuIpTYiU

:laugh:

[Denver]

Everton were lucky they could of lost 24 -0

[Merry Mockmas]

Martinez must be under pressure. Cant see how Everton are so far down in the league with their squad.

How does a team allow itself to defend over 40 shots on goal, fifteen on target.

The bigger question is how the **** did Liverpool only score 4 goals with that many attempts on goal?

[Alf]

well i would not want to be an everton fan this morning, what a fiascoWe're in great spirits, we're one of only four teams in the Country to be going to Wembley at the weekend to play in the cup semi-final.

Happy days are here again

[billy123]

We're in great spirits, we're one of only four teams in the Country to be going to Wembley at the weekend to play in the cup semi-final.

Happy days are here againThats the spirit :joker: ffs

[Alf]

Thats the spirit :joker: ffs
I'm just not fickle, I understand this is a young team that are still learning, and results like last night are great experience, you learn far more about yourself from a defeat.

They'll be chomping at the bit to get back out there at the weekend, to put things right.

Sports about confidence, at the moment the team don't have it, but in one off knock out games this year, they've proved they do have the game, reaching the semi-finals in both cups.

There are reasons why their form hasn't been great, keeping clean sheets brings confidence, we haven't been able to keep them, Jagielka missed a big chunk of the season, Stones has been in and out all season, and we've changed goalkeepers and Robles is gaining experience every game, so being that unsettled at the back has been the reason.

This is a young side that sooner or later is gonna start clicking, and with some of the best young players in Europe in their squad, then big times could be just around the corner.


In the words of Corporal Jones

Don't Panic!

[Merry Mockmas]

Everton are gonna go one of two ways next season.

They'll either do a Leicester and blow everybody away by how much they've improved, or they'll do an Aston Villa and just keep sliding down the table until they're eventually relegated.

[Alf]

Everton are gonna go one of two ways next season.

They'll either do a Leicester and blow everybody away by how much they've improved, or they'll do an Aston Villa and just keep sliding down the table until they're eventually relegated.The future looks rosey.

Barkley and Stones are only gonna get better and if we can hold on to Lukaku, And sign a top keeper (that has to be the main target in the summer)then the spine of the team is set for years to come.

And this will help
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/everton-takeover-roberto-martinez-welcomes-billionaire-investor-farhad-moshiri-a6903311.html

[Denver]

The future looks rosey.

Barkley and Stones are only gonna get better and if we can hold on to Lukaku, And sign a top keeper (that has to be the main target in the summer)then the spine of the team is set for years to come.

And this will help
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/everton-takeover-roberto-martinez-welcomes-billionaire-investor-farhad-moshiri-a6903311.html
All 3 will be gone by July

[Alf]

All 3 will be gone by JulyNot if we don't sell them, they're under contract.

And with a new billionaire owner that wants to invest in the club, then I can't see it happening. We're now a buying club, not a selling one.

[Denver]

But does he have access to all of it? Me personally I can't wait for Liverpool to be taked over by the brother of the Man City owner

[Alf]

We may have to win the cup for Martinez to keep his job, but even then it might not help him, it will depend on if there's anybody else who fits the bill out there who would take the job.

If we win the cup, then I would keep him personally. But disgruntled fans voices may see him go, after all it's there money that's wanted, and sadly the business side comes before the football side.

[Denver]

Go for Rodgers

[Alf]

Go for Rodgers
How dare you blaspheme?

[alex_front2]

What has happened to John Stones.

Last season he practically had Mourinho offering sexual favours for a transfer to Chelsea. He had the likes of Gerrard Pique praising his ball playing defedner style and Iniesta going on about how he's the future of defending. Now he's gone so crap. What's going on? Downing tools to oust Martinez?

Feel for Martinez, he seems like a nice guy but his level was Wigan. It's like he landed the dream big club job at Everton job and is desperately clinging on for dear life knowing once he's sacked the next place is the job centre.

I cringe when he makes OTT statements about the ability of his players eg Ross Barkley is better than Xavi, Messi isnt fit to wipe Lukaku's boots, Leighton Banes is the envy of Real Madrid etc.

[Alf]

What has happened to John Stones.

Last season he practically had Mourinho offering sexual favours for a transfer to Chelsea. He had the likes of Gerrard Pique praising his ball playing defedner style and Iniesta going on about how he's the future of defending. Now he's gone so crap. What's going on? Downing tools to oust Martinez?

Feel for Martinez, he seems like a nice guy but his level was Wigan. It's like he landed the dream big club job at Everton job and is desperately clinging on for dear life knowing once he's sacked the next place is the job centre.

I cringe when he makes OTT statements about the ability of his players eg Ross Barkley is better than Xavi, Messi isnt fit to wipe Lukaku's boots, Leighton Banes is the envy of Real Madrid etc.Stones has been in and out with little niggling injury's all season and hasn't been able to get the continuity in his game, and he makes a few mistakes, but which young player doesn't, it's about him learning from mistakes and he's still shown bits of quality in there, so with a better run in the team, the consistent form will come.

He's still far too good and talented to leave out the Euro squad, and is sure to be going this summer.

[GiRTh]

PFA Team of the year. No big surprises

GK - De Gea

DF - Bellerin, Morgan, Alderweireld, Rose

MF - Mahrez, Alli, Kante, Payet

FW - Vardy, Kane

https://twitter.com/PFA/status/723183929499348992

[GiRTh]

Looking at the team of the year I still find something to have a pop at Arsene Wenger about . He said at the beginning of the season the reason why he bought no one was because 'no one was available', his words. Alli, Payet, Kante, Alderweireld all in their first seasons at their clubs so werent all of them available? :shrug:

[alex_front2]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36099285

Martinez back to old OTT praise tricks again.

Martinez's permanent positivity is his trademark - but to maintain it, even exaggerate it, during this dreadful campaign has led to widespread criticism and mockery from Everton's fans, although the pathetic nature of the capitulation at Anfield was no laughing matter.

He wisely admitted the "embarrassment" of Anfield but has too often talked in glowing terms about performances that have left fans questioning whether they have attended the same game.

The Catalan's consistent use of the word "phenomenal" to describe routine events is now a stick with which he is regularly beaten, along with lines such as expressing his "incredible, incredible satisfaction" with a goalless draw at Crystal Palace.

[Shaun]

Looking at the team of the year I still find something to have a pop at Arsene Wenger about . He said at the beginning of the season the reason why he bought no one was because 'no one was available', his words. Alli, Payet, Kante, Alderweireld all in their first seasons at their clubs so werent all of them available? :shrug:

To be fair that comment was mostly aimed at all of these world-class strikers the fans are baying for, specifically Benzema but also the likes of Lewandowski, Aubameyang, etc. He was saying it was impossible to convince the likes of Dortmund, Real, Bayern to sell their star striker even though he had the money.

To think if he hadn't insulted Liverpool with the £1 add-on we could've feasibly got Suarez... how different would we have been :(

[GiRTh]

To be fair that comment was mostly aimed at all of these world-class strikers the fans are baying for, specifically Benzema but also the likes of Lewandowski, Aubameyang, etc. He was saying it was impossible to convince the likes of Dortmund, Real, Bayern to sell their star striker even though he had the money.

To think if he hadn't insulted Liverpool with the £1 add-on we could've feasibly got Suarez... how different would we have been :(I completely agree but to be brutally honest, I dont think 60 million pound players are gonna want to play for Arsenal. If Gareth Bale heard Arsenal were interested I doubt he'd be too enthused. The way Benzema dismissed the deal as out of the question was telling for me.

That comment from Wenger completely alienated me simply cuz it cannot possibly be true. Its was such an idiotic thing to say and the way the season has gone he in this position of playing to a half full stadium due to his own mistakes.

[Shaun]

That's true. I understand the scouting method we use is drastically different to ten years ago now as well (with the new chairman - the old one seemed a lot more hands on).

[Christmas Dynasnow]

murinio to everton gathering pace

[alex_front2]

That's true. I understand the scouting method we use is drastically different to ten years ago now as well (with the new chairman - the old one seemed a lot more hands on).

Don't worry Arsenal are about to steal (yet again) from Leicester. They took head of technical recruitment Ben Wigglesworth (9 months after Spurs stole the previous one) now they are about to nick LCFC's Chief Scout Steve Walsh and will take Mahrez, Kante and kid Chilwell with them. Arsenal...so full of original ideas :joker:

[Brother Leon]

Mahrez is Spain bound.

[Denver]

I doubt Leicester will lose any major player till Jan

[alex_front2]

Leicester should have sent some of their youngesters out on loan to mid table la liga, ligue 1, and bundesliga teams. So they had more options next season as they will lose up to about 6 players (Schmeichel, Kante, Mahrez, Chilwell, Fuchs and even Drinkwater have all been linked with big money moves. This will be Ranieri and cos biggest mistake. Sir Alex and co were always planning for next season at the beginning of a season. Ranieri is really short termist. He also seems to like old psst it players. First Ronaldinho, now Roma's Totti (39), stupid stupid if true.

[Denver]

Liverpool coming for top 4 :clap1:

[Alf]

Liverpool coming for top 4 :clap1:
When do they start?

[Christmas Dynasnow]

When do they start?

:joker:

[Denver]

When do they start?

Lost once in about 15 games which is the same amount Everton won in 15 :idc:

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Lost once in about 15 games which is the same amount Everton won in 15 :idc:

wait, Everton won a game - when was this?

[alex_front2]

Liverpool fans: which rival were you preferring to lose in FA cup? Everton or Man U ?

[Denver]

Everton

[Shaun]

I did not have this down as being one of the more boring games of the season.

[Shaun]

I take it back, what a great club they are

[alex_front2]

If Spurs don't win there goes my £20 ACCA and £100 on Spurs winning. Kane or sub Son someone had better score.
:shocked::nono::shrug::shrug: :shrug::fist::nono::nono::cloud::conf2:

[Drew.]

https://v.cdn.vine.co/r/thumbs/46B0C720AF1061825944022642688_198dd6abfff.4.8.2532 189735663513530.mp4.jpg?versionId=a5JGuFXarZ10tBEb lUoPxpTIIugSmu3Z

[Drew.]

Spurs will never get a better chance and history will have this down as the title they lost out on to Leicester, amazing stuff

[Babayaro.]

Tbf the likes of City, United, Arsenal and Chelsea lost out to Leicester too

[Black Dagger]

We've won 2 in the last 5. We were being generous until Pep comes and wins us the league in January x

[Shaun]

think you'll find we beat them twice, everyone else just threw in the towel like the weak bitches you are.

[Drew.]

Tbf the likes of City, United, Arsenal and Chelsea lost out to Leicester too

In terms of the title race which is (was) a two horse race it'll be remembered for Spurs losing out to Leicester

[alex_front2]

Every single club below Leicester should be ashamed. How the feck have these big clubs spending £50m on Sterling, loaning in Falcao, buying Benteke, buying no outfield players. These big clubs should take a big hard look at themselves and feel sick. Pathetic bunch of useless feckers.

[Shaun]

yes SHAME ON YOU, STOKE CITY

[Black Dagger]

It's disgraceful that Crystal Palace didn't fight for the title it really is.

[Babayaro.]

****ing Villa, useless *****!

[alex_front2]

Leicester winning EPL is exciting and fantastic* but let's be honest, it's made a mockery of EPL and made its quality a laughing stock. Plus in a season where it became obvious within the first 6 weeks the big boys were going to struggling, barring Spurs a more credible challenger than Leicester didn't emerge. West Ham had moments of brilliance, several great away wins but should have done more. Palace fell away in January.

Clubs like Villa, Stoke, CPalace should be ashamed, too as compared to LCFC they spent more in transfers, greater EPL pedigree, had higher paid players and were higher that Leicester last season. The only club that escapes my wrath is little old Bournemouth. Until they reached 40 points they were trying (just not good enough), getting scalps eg Chelsea, Man U, and playing patches of decent vibrant football. Everton best side for years spending whole season just writing a suicide note to EPL. Southampton should have used the 4-1 triumph over Gooners as a spring board to top 4. Leicester are 1 season wonders whereas West Ham, Southampton, Stoke, Everton could have capitalised on Chelsea's demise and the Manchester twins mediocrity to use this season as a spring pad to a new era. Only Spurs gave it a go.

Stoke City with their smug pretensions of Stokelona are pathetic. Arnautovic and his Zlatan man bun and Zlatan walk pi$$ me right off. Villa #7 highest wage bill, NUFC big club but facing trips to Rotherham and Brentford next season. Mike Ashley is a clown.The big rich boys were utterly contemptible, Wenger out. He can't use his trusty "we can't financially compete with Chelsea, Man U or Man City for title" schtick any more. Nor can he do the #4 place is an ambition or achievement in itself. He probably would prefer rival Spurs to win as it would make him look less pathetic. Mourinho timespan is a #2 season wonder, and Man City are all expensive skirt no knickers. Still not worked out what LVG's philosophy at Man U is. Horny football? Stuff it.

* I'm actually very bitter about Leicester probably winning title as it's cost me money on so many footy ACCAs. Grrrrrrrrr.

[Denver]

I'd love to know how it makes a mockery off it?

[Denver]

All Leicester have to do is match Tottenhams result to win the league

[GiRTh]

In terms of the title race which is (was) a two horse race it'll be remembered for Spurs losing out to LeicesterI doubt it. Any assessment of this season has got to include how the big clubs failed. Wouldn't you rather be were Spurs are?

If Spurs dont win the league they can at least go into next season knowing they have a group of good young players that react to pressure, we have a group of players, some not so young anymore, who fold under pressure.

[GiRTh]

I'd love to know how it makes a mockery off it?
Its made a mockery of the idea that you need to spend 100 million in every transfer window and have 30 million pound players on the sub bench to be contenders.

[Shaun]

still lowkey hoping/expecting a betting scandal to undo this underdog story in a couple of years' time tbh

[Merry Mockmas]

think you'll find we beat them twice, everyone else just threw in the towel like the weak bitches you are.

The last time you only beat them because they went down to 10 men.

We were the only ones to score 2 goals pass Leicester in the pre-season.

Edit... When I mean we I mean the 9th place legends down in the Championship.

[alex_front2]

In the 2 pics below the difference between Liverpool and Spurs can be summed up in how they react when they get a draw @ home v WBA.

Spurs draw WBA

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cg8ubyyWIAAVsPU.jpg

Liverpool draw WBA

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cg_ew1gWMAAOHrS.jpg

:joker: :joker:

Can always rely on Fighting Cock to come up trumps.

[Denver]

The difference between Liverpool and Spurs can be summed up in how they react when they get a draw @ home v WBA.

Spurs draw WBA

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cg8ubyyWIAAVsPU.jpg

Liverpool draw WBA

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cg_ew1gWMAAOHrS.jpg

:joker: :joker:

Can always rely on Fighting Cock to come up trumps.
It's all about motivation and respect to the fans for the reason Klopp makes the! Salute to the fans