Big Brother Canada 4 - Live Feed Discussion Thread - Part 2

[Jack_]

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[Braden]

I'm interested to know what Tim will say once he's left the diary room.

[zakman440]

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:(

[Braden]

lmfao Phil has only just realised that he could still be put on the block if Joel wins veto and takes one of Cass/Tim off the block.

[Jack_]

^ damn, I was hoping none of them would realise that. It's pathetic it's taken them all so long tbh

Would've been hilarious had Joel convinced them to throw it to him saying he wouldn't use it, guess that can't happen now :(

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Come on Brothers win this veto now

[Mokka]

:fc: for a Joel veto win imo

[JerseyWins]

Starting to watch the big argument from today. EPIC so far and of course I love the brothers even more for this (so far they're absolutely HILARIOUS for the record :joker:).

I don't get it (the hate). This is good ****ing TV. This is exactly the type of stuff that made BB10/BB11 so great when people were yelling at others at the top of their lungs, calling people huge manipulators/liars/other names, and just generally flipping out on each other.

The brothers are BBCAN legends for me. They keep going up my overall rankings tbh. :joker: :joker: :joker:

[JerseyWins]

Just heard the mental institution line from Nick... well this is part of the reason I've never liked Nick as much. He does have his moments where he says some insensitive / ignorant / offensive things.

However, 1) I don't see how Phil can get dragged into that comment when he immediately told Nick to stop when he said that. and 2) while I wouldn't defend it, it's really not that bad either. It's mainly a case where there was no need for him to be so extreme.

[JerseyWins]

Nick: Just relax, I'm supposed to be the crazy one of the two of us
Phil: Was I the crazy one today?
Nick: Yeah
Phil: Good

:joker:

That argument was one of the best moments of the season right there, possibly best. :clap1: The fact most of it was directed at Cass was poetic justice.

Cassandra has no problem interrogating and/or badmouthing people (usually behind their backs, even worse) but when she gets called out herself she loves to play the victim. The only thing to make this better would be if it leads to her eviction now. :worry:

[JerseyWins]

Phil's state of silent shock when he realizes the bros could be forced to go up if Joel wins. :laugh3:

Even if Joel wins it's whatever. I just hope things would stay entertaining in their final week as they're on their way out. Brothers & Kelsey vs. Joel & Tim/Cass next week is sooooooo much better tho.

[Braden]

I guess you missed the part where Phil threw out the words 'psychopath' and 'sociopath' as a way of hurting Cassandra. Not to mention the fact that she had to hear that her family would be disgusted by the way she played the game yet again.

The two of them are just as bad as each other. It's all well and good telling someone to be quiet or stop, but when you take that moment of silence to then verbally attack someone it doesn't put you on a pedestal.

The only reason I'm not utterly disgusted by their behaviour is because Cassandra didn't seem at all phases by the bullying and degrading tactics they used to intimidate her.

[Raph]

I guess you missed the part where Phil threw out the words 'psychopath' and 'sociopath' as a way of hurting Cassandra. Not to mention the fact that she had to hear that her family would be disgusted by the way she played the game yet again.

The two of them are just as bad as each other. It's all well and good telling someone to be quiet or stop, but when you take that moment of silence to then verbally attack someone it doesn't put you on a pedestal.

The only reason I'm not utterly disgusted by their behaviour is because Cassandra didn't seem at all phases by the bullying and degrading tactics they used to intimidate her.

Couldn't have said it better myself. The xenophobic brothers are TRASH.

[Headie]

Jersey and DTM are clearly trolling so idc

[reece(:]

Couldn't have said it better myself. The xenophobic brothers are TRASH.
Preach

[LukeB]

Quite nervous for veto.

[Black Dagger]

I'm not getting nervous bc I know it will be rigged for the bros anyway so what's the point.

[LukeB]

I'm not getting nervous bc I know it will be rigged for the bros anyway so what's the point.

don't think the producers would want to help xenophobic people :worry:

[LukeB]

Joel actually does need to win every comp if he wants $100,000 pretty sure he can beat everyone in the final 2. Not only has he built connections with a lot of the jurors, he hasn't left anyone bitter or annoyed 1 single person like the others has.

[Raph]

The big argument where the idiotic neanderthals kept calling Cassandra a sociopath for playing a game. Xenophobic brothers continue to act like morons :facepalm:

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[Braden]

Phil: "Hey, kid!"
Cassandra: "I'm not gonna talk to kid. Call me beautiful and I will."

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[Raph]

Phil: "Hey, kid!"
Cassandra: "I'm not gonna talk to kid. Call me beautiful and I will."

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Haha this was my favourite moment of the argument! Queen Cass :lovedup:

[Raph]

LOL also

Cass: "Are you the bigger man Phil?"
Phil: "Yes i'm the bigger man here"
Cass: "Well i'm a woman"

Slay :lovedup:

[JerseyWins]

I'm sorry but Cass of all people does not deserve any sympathy for being called a "psychopath" and "sociopath" when she constantly called Loveita a crazy person and a bunch of synonyms. She practically harassed her and mocked the sh*t out of her even right to her face. Cold betch.

She IS playing the game like a sociopath with no conscience. It's mean and ignorant to actually call her one but she's kinda playing that way and the brothers were pissed off about it and calling her out. That's actually respectable for her though, she's playing Big Brother well tbh aside from people knowing her game.

And they never said her family is disgusted with her. Phil said he is disgusted with her and hopes her family is too. They won't be. They're just taking the game too personally. :joker: They're one of many people, like BB10/BB11 legends, who take the game personally. And it's hilarious.

I'm disgusted by her too lol... Not disgusted with her lying, but with her cold personality that likes to play the victim so much when the roles are reversed.

[Raph]

It's true, Cass is playing the game like a sociopath. So did Dan BB10. These are the players I like and admire most :p

[LukeB]

I forgot Cassandra's horrible treatment towards Loveita :worry:

Mostly everyone was quite nasty to Loveita

[JerseyWins]

I agree that's fair @Raph. And if she makes it to final 2 she's up there with the most deserving winners this season. I respect her gameplay for sure but I find her personality traits to be so annoying personally. :shrug:

[LukeB]

I respect Cassandra as a player but not as a person.. she was quite nasty towards Loveita. the treatment Loveita had from most of them were nasty and uncalled for, Jared/Christine/Cassandra idk who else

[Lostie!]

Here for Luke removing Cass from his sig 24 hours after adding her.

[Raph]

I agree that's fair @Raph. And if she makes it to final 2 she's up there with the most deserving winners this season. I respect her gameplay for sure but I find her personality traits to be so annoying personally. :shrug:

I think it resonates with what I said about the brothers in another thread as well. Whilst I don't like them as people, they have played a good game so I would respect them as deserving winners if they make final 2 as well. The only person, in my opinion, of the final 5 who doesn't deserve to win is Kelsey.

Ultimately, for me gameplay always comes first and I want a winner who played the game well!

[Braden]

I'm sorry but Cass of all people does not deserve any sympathy for being called a "psychopath" and "sociopath" when she constantly called Loveita a crazy person and a bunch of synonyms. She practically harassed her and mocked the sh*t out of her even right to her face. Cold betch.

She IS playing the game like a sociopath with no conscience. It's mean and ignorant to actually call her one but she's kinda playing that way and the brothers were pissed off about it and calling her out. That's actually respectable for her though, she's playing Big Brother well tbh aside from people knowing her game.

And they never said her family is disgusted with her. Phil said he is disgusted with her and hopes her family is too. They won't be. They're just taking the game too personally. :joker: They're one of many people, like BB10/BB11 legends, who take the game personally. And it's hilarious.

I'm disgusted by her too lol... Not disgusted with her lying, but with her cold personality that likes to play the victim so much when the roles are reversed.

Well I agree with the first part, although I don't think Cassandra ever got rally aggressive with Loveita.

She may be playing the game like a 'sociopath', but I still don't think the brothers applying that to the way Cassandra's life outside the game is acceptable. And yes, that actually makes it worse that he said 'I hope your family are disgusted with you' because he's trying to guilt trip her by bringng her family's point of view into the equation when it really isn't necessary.

And finally, Cassandra really wasn't playing the victim at all during that argument. Phil started crying for goodness sake :p

I understand that you're a fan of the brothers, but I really hate to see their actions from last night defended (I know you probably don't agree with what went on entirely, but the severity of it was so uncomfortable). I suppose we'll probably just agree to disagree in this instance though :shrug:

edit: It also annoys how they were angry at both Cassandra and Tim, but when Cassandra ended up making a certain point they directed all their anger at her and Tim was forgiven all of a sudden.

[Braden]

(This is just a general observation about the brothers)

The brothers (mainly Phil tbh) defended Kelsey during the balcony confrontation by saying "This is Big Brother" or "We're playing a game". A confrontation that actually had nothing to do with them (once it played out) and yet they still belittled Mitch's points by reassuring him that they were playing a game. However, when the shoe is on the other foot and something happens when they're in a vulnerable position they go ballistic.

I think what I'm trying to say is that when they're in a good position they think and talk highly of the game, yet when they're in a bad one they throw their toys out the pram and think of ways to make other people feel bad about their own game.

[JerseyWins]

I'll agree to disagree because I'm not saying it wasn't taken too far but it really wasn't to the point of being uncomfortable to watch either IMO. It's close to any other big argument we see on this show and plenty of those are viewed as great moments regardless of if a few offensive or insensitive comments were thrown out. Maybe different tastes / different situations but that was entertaining to me and I don't see a need to feel sorry for Cass knowing what she's been like all season. I mean the brothers were spot on but in an exaggerated and mean manner.

Kelsey & the brothers said it perfectly in a convo I just saw between them from this morning: Cassandra just keeps picking at a person to get them mad. To add to that, when they do get mad she's all "why are you mad at me?" in her "manipulative voice" that Nick mentioned in yesterday's argument. :joker: I think it's just part of her gameplay though which is good on her but annoying.

Cassandra goes to being sarcastic in a confrontation so sure she may not be aggressive towards a person but she's cold-hearted leading up to (or in the past during sometimes) an argument in more of a passive-aggressive way. It's annoying to watch over and over with the people she doesn't like in the house.

[DrunkerThanMoses]

cass has been the worst house guest this sseaso. She has been nothing but a ppathetic try hard who hasttreated others disgustingly. Such an embarrassment to the game and females

[jyunga]

WTF Cass has been awesome. She's standing up for herself and playing the game lol

[Macie Lightfoot]

It's true, Cass is playing the game like a sociopath. So did Dan BB10. These are the players I like and admire most :p

that's kinda concerning then that you relate to and identify with a sociopath like Dan.

[Raph]

that's kinda concerning then that you relate to and identify with a sociopath like Dan.

Philipe and Nick calling Cass a sociopath teas? :hehe:

[Jack_]

Phil's infatuation with Jared confirmed

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[Jack_]

Tim won the Veto yaaaaaaasssss

Okay so it's not perfect but now they need to work their magic to somehow get the brothers up

[Jack_]

I'm just SO pleased it wasn't the brothers or Kelsey omfg

I'd rather Joel go than Cass this week and that's more of a possibility than the brothers option so if they can't get that to work she needs to work that social game

[zakman440]

Timmy pulled it out of the bag :clap1:. Glad that he's safe for another week. Hopefully the brothers will go up, but I don't see it happening :worry:

[Jack_]

Apparently Tim went a bit crazy and refused to shake Phil's hand or something so he's literally just been like 'I hope he feels good that he's gonna take $20k off someone' :umm2:

[Jack_]

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So ****ing here for it

[Jack_]

In other news

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Audrey, is that you?

[JerseyWins]

This is best case scenario IMO. Cass to go :clap1: :clap1: :clap1: (I hope they don't somehow turn it on Joel getting evicted tho)

[Jack_]

The brothers are complaining that it was rigged for Tim and I'm laughing because the double eviction happened to you you ****ing twats

[Jack_]

Still early but there's already talk on Twitter that Joel was apparently helping the brothers and Kelsey :umm2:

[Jack_]

also yeah I'm confident at this point Joel would go, none of them will beat him, Cass has burned far more jury votes, he's better in comps

It's the logical choice

[Jack_]

Oh and Joel put Kelsey up. Obvs

[JerseyWins]

Hmmm, this is going to depend on how Kelsey truly feels about Cassandra but I don't think Kelsey would leave the duo of Tim & Cass still in there after just taking a shot at them this week. Especially if Joel did help them in the comp. :shrug:

[Jack_]

They're not so much a duo but a trio now since she knows Joel is part of their alliance

Plus I doubt Tim or Cass will take each other to F2, they would both take Kelsey (Joel probably would too but she doesn't beat him, she has a fighting chance against Cass)

Joel being in the game isn't good for the brothers either

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Tim :clap1:

Hopefully this means Cass will be evicted..... 10 weeks to late if you ask me

[Jack_]

Sounds like it was an OTEV style comp, Tim won a $5k entertainment package or some **** too

[Jack_]

@Hayden they're watching Unreal tomorrow

[Jack_]

oop sounds like Joel and Cass aren't happy with Tim, must be why they've all been sat alone in silence around the house

Something big must've gone down at this comp?

[Jack_]

Cass saying to Joel that to her she knew he was trying to help them but she thinks to Tim it looked as if he was helping the others

Piecing things together it seems like Tim went crazy and said something along the lines of 'well if no one else is going to help me then I'm just going to help myself' and has also told Cass he's done with her and she's going home this week

They're talking about chatting to Kelsey regarding a brothers renom and also smoothing things over with Tim

[Jack_]

Also Cass is crying and said she wants to hide in the DR cause she hates the fact the brothers are smirking at her loss :(

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Cass once again thinking everyone should stop and play the game for her.?

Good on Tim winning the veto, save your bloody self.

[Jack_]

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I'M PISSING MYSELF omfg these two twats have no self awareness whatsoever

[Jack_]

Like...you threw a bitch fit that someone used the Veto on one of your nominees and so tried to nominate yourself because you were so bitter?!?!?! YOU TRIED TO NOMINATE YOUR DAMN SELF

And you think that's not moronic?!?!?!???

[Raph]

cass :(

[VanessaFeltz.]

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self awareness is an important thing i guess

[Calderyon]

So now that Tim has won veto, i guess Joel is going up?

Cassandra to finally leave?

[VanessaFeltz.]

So now that Tim has won veto, i guess Joel is going up?

Cassandra to finally leave?

I think so

But Kelsey might want to keep Cassandra because she knows she has a good shot against her and cass will bring her to the end.

Leaving Cass&Tim together doesnt matter i think really because joel&tim&cass are in an alliance anyways and they are on an equal level when it comes down to competitions

[Calderyon]

If both Tim and Phil & Nick vote to evict Cassandra, Kelsey´s vote won´t matter,

Even if it comes to Kelsey voting, i´m bet she can´t resist the opportunity to avenge Jared and for that reason i think she would get Cassandra out. Now is possibly her only opportunity to do it.

[VanessaFeltz.]

I still think Tim will support Cassandra because he is smart enough to know joel will win.

Oh wait i take it back he just voted to evict Nikki.

[Jay28jay2]

I actually think Joel going is the better move. He is the stronger player and is a contender to win the show as Nikki said before she left.

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Yeah but Cassandra is just a awful person, so she needs to go. At least Joel is a decent guy

[Samm]

Ugh Tim

[Ross.]

Like both but it would be better for their chances to get rid of Joel now, surely all of them can see he will beat them all in a F2

[Headie]

Tim winning is worst case scenario. At least of Kelsey or Bros won, then Tim would've gone and Cass/Joel would be safe.

If Joel does not win then this whole season has been a waste of time.

I hope it gets cancelled and Slice buy it back tbh

[Headie]

@Hayden they're watching Unreal tomorrow

Not production self exposing all their riggage methods

[Black Dagger]

Urgh. Why didn't he throw it to Joel.

I literally despise the bros at this stage. I want them to fall down a well and break their legs or st.

[LukeB]

Oh ffs can tim not use it and evict him..

What's more worrying is that It's Nick's week next week for the most important POV :worry:

[Calderyon]

It´s almost a given that Phil & Nick will win HOH next Thursday. It´s not certain, but all signs point to that direction.

[Jack_]

I still think Joel would go but I've thought about it a little more and I think it may be in Tim's best interest to keep him

He has to cut Cass at some point and the longer she stays the more of a risk he's taking. If he keeps Joel for F4 he's a much bigger threat than himself and there's a far better chance whoever uses the Veto evicts Joel over him, whereas if Cass is there she gets taken to F3

If nothing else this is a fascinating endgame!

[Raph]

It´s almost a given that Phil & Nick will win HOH next Thursday. It´s not certain, but all signs point to that direction.

The final 4 HOH is usually a mental competition though, so given that I think Cassandra has the best chance, if she stays, that is :(

[Jack_]

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Cass and Tim talking again and looks like Joel may have gone against them after all :umm2: thank God he didn't win

They're talking about trying to convince Kelsey and the brothers that he has four jury votes on lock (them two, Nikki and Mitch) if he makes F2, so as to get rid of him

[Jack_]

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drag the xenophobic *****

[LukeB]

Thank god Joel didn't win? it was the only chance the brothers will be on the block because he would have saved Cassandra.. He cares for Cassandra more than Tim.

[LukeB]

Tragic HOH
Tragic Veto winner
Not here for a tragic eviction :worry:

[Pete.]

Pray for our Cass :(

[Jack_]

Thank god Joel didn't win? it was the only chance the brothers will be on the block because he would have saved Cassandra.. He cares for Cassandra more than Tim.

Did you not read the tweets? It sounds like he and the brothers were helping each other, why would he be doing that when he's supposed to be working with Cass? I'm aware it was the only chance for the brothers to go up...I was the first person to hope for it as soon as Kelsey's HoH was announced :shrug: but if he won it and left the noms the same that's even worse than the current scenario so no thanks

Quite frankly Joel's best F2 would be the brothers or Kelsey at this point so I'm entirely unsurprised if it transpires he's considering dumping Cass

[Calderyon]

Cassandra´s eviction wouldn´t be tragic, it would be glorious.

[LukeB]

Did you not read the tweets? It sounds like he and the brothers were helping each other, why would he be doing that when he's supposed to be working with Cass? I'm aware it was the only chance for the brothers to go up...I was the first person to hope for it as soon as Kelsey's HoH was announced :shrug: but if he won it and left the noms the same that's even worse than the current scenario so no thanks

Quite frankly Joel's best F2 would be Joel or Kelsey at this point so I'm entirely unsurprised if it transpires he's considering dumping Cass

I did and Tim thought it was to get him out (which would have been good since Joel was meant to win anyway) Joel could have felt he had a better shot against the brothers whatever the comp was. There's no way Joel will ever dump Cassandra. Tim on the other hand i dont know but Joel is more loyal to Cassandra than he is with Tim.

[Jack_]

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[Braden]

:(

[Jack_]

I did and Tim thought it was to get him out (which would have been good since Joel was meant to win anyway) Joel could have felt he had a better shot against the brothers whatever the comp was. There's no way Joel will ever dump Cassandra. Tim on the other hand i dont know but Joel is more loyal to Cassandra than he is with Tim.

He's more loyal to Cass than Tim but that doesn't mean it's his best option for F2, I think he'd still beat her but it's a much certain win against the brothers or Kelsey

The fact it was him, Tim and the brothers left in the penultimate round of the comp and he was working with them says it all :umm2: we shall have to wait for the DR's to be certain but if it transpires he genuinely was working with them I am absolutely glad he didn't win because the noms staying the same would've been the worst possible scenario

[Cal.]

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I hate stuff like this ugh so dumb

[LukeB]

He's more loyal to Cass than Tim but that doesn't mean it's his best option for F2, I think he'd still beat her but it's a much certain win against the brothers or Kelsey

The fact it was him, Tim and the brothers left in the penultimate round of the comp and he was working with them says it all :umm2: we shall have to wait for the DR's to be certain but if it transpires he genuinely was working with them I am absolutely glad he didn't win because the noms staying the same would've been the worst possible scenario

I want to see this veto comp before making a judgement but my theory is that Phil is much easier to beat than Tim. Tim isn't bad at comps like Phil is.. (his veto win can be won by anyone) But even if he was I do feel he would still use it on Cassandra. They need to talk to Joel rather than turning against him. Joel wanted to win this veto really really really bad and it was important for him to do it.

[LukeB]

Tim to use veto on Cassandra or not at all.. evict his ass.

[Cal.]

Tim said he wants Cassandra to win so he should stick to his word and use the veto on her.

[Jack_]

I'm already nervous for the Veto next week again now :worry: if it's a what happened on what day as it usually is I think Kelsey has it won, she's studied the most of anyone and won this HoH on the same thing

I need Tim and Joel/Cass to hold the HoH and Veto positions next week

[Cal.]

I'm already nervous for the Veto next week again now :worry: if it's a what happened on what day as it usually is I think Kelsey has it won, she's studied the most of anyone and won this HoH on the same thing

I need Tim and Joel/Cass to hold the HoH and Veto positions next week

You just know HOH will be the brothers and veto will be Kelsey.

[LukeB]

The last veto comp always go my way especially last year so i have faith for the people on the good side.

[Braden]

I would love for Tim to use the veto on Cassandra.

[Jack_]

You just know HOH will be the brothers and veto will be Kelsey.

I honestly think this is going to happen :joker:

Kelsey's game is being seriously underrated and I would be okay if she won but I just don't want the disgusting moronic brothers anywhere near F2

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Lol "good" people, Jesus, Cass and Tim are just as much of the bad people in this; probably even worse.

A Cass eviction is the only outcome that can save this season, she is vile, vile, vile.

[Jack_]

Lol "good" people, Jesus, Cass and Tim are just as much of the bad people in this; probably even worse.

A Cass eviction is the only outcome that can save this season, she is vile, vile, vile.

I don't recall Cass or Tim ever being xenophobic tbh

[LukeB]

Lol "good" people, Jesus, Cass and Tim are just as much of the bad people in this; probably even worse.

A Cass eviction is the only outcome that can save this season, she is vile, vile, vile.

How can she be vile vile vile when the brothers exist? xenophobia is ignorant and vile

[Cal.]

Not a fan of Tim after him betraying Nikki unnecessarily but I'd still support his side just cos he's against the brothers. I don't understand how Cassandra is a bad person at all?

[Jack_]

Not a fan of Tim after him betraying Nikki unnecessarily but I'd still support his side just cos he's against the brothers. I don't understand how Cassandra is a bad person at all?

I wouldn't say it was completely unnecessary, he had to follow Joel and Cass' lead or else he exposes himself

Cass is a bad person cause she's a self-assured woman :rolleyes:

[Cal.]

I've already changed my mind I want Tim to use the veto on Cassandra and I want him to go home instead of staying. I want him to have to walk into jury house straight after Nikki.

[Raph]

I want Joel to go over Cassandra but this is the worst case scenario :( Kelsey making final 4 feels like Brittnee making final 4 all over again. Ugh

[LukeB]

I want Joel to go over Cassandra but this is the worst case scenario :( Kelsey making final 4 feels like Brittnee making final 4 all over again. Ugh

We need Ashleigh again to send Kelsey out :think:

[Raph]

We need Ashleigh again to send Kelsey out :think:

To think Kelsey and bros have a very high chance of being the final 2 makes me so sad

In which case the bros deserve to win as Kelsey has had ZERO game and was just carried by Jared's comp skills and Cass's social game. :mad:

[Cal.]

The thought of Kelsey winning when she's technically a week 4 boot nnn

[Jack_]

Kelsey deserves a final four spot far more than the brothers do

[Raph]

The thought of Kelsey winning when she's technically a week 4 boot nnn

I KNOW. I wanted her out since Week 1 when she robbed Paige of her chance to fulfil her dream :mad:

[LukeB]

To think Kelsey and bros have a very high chance of being the final 2 makes me so sad

Same, it would end in a tragic way and a lot of people are comparing this to BB6(USA) and the final 2 were the unpopular ones. Whilst the fan favourite came 3rd :worry:

[Jack_]

omg the Veto ceremony is actually today :worry:

[Raph]

Kelsey deserves a final four spot far more than the brothers do

it's like saying a piece of dirt deserves it more over mouldy food. *sigh*

[Raph]

omg the Veto ceremony is actually today :worry:

Isn't it usually a day later? More brothers protection by production? :bored:

[Cal.]

1. Cassandra
2. Joel
3. Kelsey
4. Tim
5. Brothers

Is the order of preference of who I'd like to win

[LukeB]

Tim winning veto made the brothers safe :yuk:

[Raph]

For me it's

1) Cassandra
2) Joel
3) Tim

4) The dust collected under the HOH bed

5) Bros
6) Kelsey

Although I do like Kelsey better than the bros, gameplay is what's important in a winner for me

[Raph]

To think Kelsey is only here cause Cassandra protected her ass all these weeks :mad:

[LukeB]

Kelsey is only good for her looks even though she looks basic as ****. She isn't even that attractive.

[Jack_]

Isn't it usually a day later? More brothers protection by production? :bored:

It's usually Monday morning, but talking of the brothers and production rigging

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This is absolutely hilarious. Is he aware of why they won the DE HoH?

[Jack_]

For me it's

1) Cassandra
2) Joel
3) Tim

4) The dust collected under the HOH bed

5) Bros
6) Kelsey

Although I do like Kelsey better than the bros, gameplay is what's important in a winner for me

Kelsey's game has been far better than the brothers

For me it's:

1) Tim
2) Cass
3) Joel
4) Kelsey
5) Brothers

[LukeB]

The brothers are deluded

[Tregard]

At this point I mostly want Tim to win because it would be a world-first, but I'm happy with any of Cass/Tim/Joel winning atm.

[Jamie89]

I'd be very happy with a Cassandra/Joel/Tim win. I'd accept a Kelsey win. I do NOT want the brothers to win :oh:

[JerseyWins]

I know the fan fave brothers will prevail against all odds for Canada!

[Raph]

I know the fan fave brothers will prevail against all odds for Canada!

You mean the Xenophobic brothers? :shrug:

[JerseyWins]

The Canadian pride brothers :idc:

They don't have an actual dislike of other countries or people from other countries to actually be xenophobic. They loved Tim & Nikki throughout. It just became an angle in the game when Tim became their target for game reasons.

[JerseyWins]

Kelsey telling Joel he's going to stay and has her & the brothers' votes for sure. :clap1:

I guess she or the brothers could change their mind before the end of the week but this is good news to hear.

[Jack_]

I know the fan fave brothers will prevail against all odds for Canada!

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:idc:

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Kelsey telling Joel he's going to stay and has her & the brothers' votes for sure. :clap1:

I guess she or the brothers could change their mind before the end of the week but this is good news to hear.

This calls for celebrations

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Champagne?

[Jack_]

The Canadian pride brothers :idc:

They don't have an actual dislike of other countries or people from other countries to actually be xenophobic. They loved Tim & Nikki throughout. It just became an angle in the game when Tim became their target for game reasons.

Tim became their target primarily because 'we want a Canadian winning Big Brother Canada', yes he is also a threat but that's the main reason and is also the main reason they stupidly put the so-called 'foreigners' in Tim and Nikki up together when it should've been Tim and Cass

Wanting someone to lose because they aren't from your country is xenophobic, and this applies to them and any fans who think the same. The person who wins should be the person who played the best game, not who is Canadian

[Braden]

Let us celebrate how legendary Cassandra has been these last two weeks :love:

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[JerseyWins]

This calls for celebrations

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Champagne?
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Wish I could find a gif of Joel popping the champagne bottle on the first night. :joker:

[JerseyWins]

Tim became their target primarily because 'we want a Canadian winning Big Brother Canada', yes he is also a threat but that's the main reason and is also the main reason they stupidly put the so-called 'foreigners' in Tim and Nikki up together when it should've been Tim and Cass

Wanting someone to lose because they aren't from your country is xenophobic, and this applies to them and any fans who think the same. The person who wins should be the person who played the best game, not who is Canadian
The thing is, they wanted to go to the end with Tim/Nikki for the longest time in the game. So they just became xenophobic midway through the game? It doesn't make sense. They turned on the internationals for game reasons.

And Tim was clearly their target for game reasons first (realizing what he was trying to do the week they were HOH if not a bit before that - before the countries argument started coming up).

[Ross.]

Let us celebrate how legendary Cassandra has been these last two weeks :love:

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:clap1:

[Jack_]

The thing is, they wanted to go to the end with Tim/Nikki for the longest time in the game. So they just became xenophobic midway through the game? It doesn't make sense. They turned on the internationals for game reasons.

And Tim was clearly their target for game reasons first (realizing what he was trying to do the week they were HOH if not a bit before that - before the countries argument started coming up).

I don't ever recall them wanting to go to the end with them, and more to the point - if it was for game reasons that they turned on them (which is fair and understandable), why the 'a Canadian should win' esque comments? Why not just be honest and say that they don't trust them in the game anymore?

The brothers had been making such comments way before they ever turned on Tim and it is out and out xenophobia. Anyone who thinks that someone doesn't deserve to or shouldn't win a reality show because of their nationality is being xenophobic. This isn't the Olympics

[Raph]

Cass is trying so hard and I respect that so much. :(

[Raph]

To be honest, i'd be very happy to see Joel go home this week if it means Cassandra is kept safe

[Macie Lightfoot]

idk, I'm not nearly as stressed about this end game as some people are. I'd love if Kelsey or Cassandra won and I'd be fine if Joel won. The brothers have no chance lol so the only bad option for me is Tim :3

[Braden]

Yeah, I think everything post the big argument has been quite preditable and slighty boring :/

[Pete.]

idk, I'm not nearly as stressed about this end game as some people are. I'd love if Kelsey or Cassandra won and I'd be fine if Joel won. The brothers have no chance lol so the only bad option for me is Tim :3
I agree with this. If Tim wins after Nikki was evicted for not being Canadian will kinda suck and stink of double standards :S

[Daniel.]

Tim and Phil are two of my worst ever rtv contestants

If cassandra goes i wont watch the final week, she's been amazing and better than anyone from BBUK in the past four years

[Raph]

Yeah, I think everything post the big argument has been quite preditable and slighty boring :/

Agreed. I want Cass to stay so badly but it seems nearly impossible because of dumb/stubborn brothers and Kelsey :bawling:

[Jack_]

idk, I'm not nearly as stressed about this end game as some people are. I'd love if Kelsey or Cassandra won and I'd be fine if Joel won. The brothers have no chance lol so the only bad option for me is Tim :3

I definitely wouldn't count the brothers out, against Cass they have a fighting chance. Kelsey, Jared, Raul and Maddy's votes definitely go to them, she would have Tim, Joel, Nikki and probably Canada's and Mitch would be the swing vote and the problem she has is that as viewers we know what great a game she's played, but she's going to have a very hard time demonstrating that to the jury.

More to the point - I don't understand why anyone would want the brothers anywhere near F2. I'm more actively rooting against them than I am rooting for anyone at this point, it's like BB15 all over again

Yeah, I think everything post the big argument has been quite preditable and slighty boring :/

But when you consider the possible permutations of the next few rounds anything could happen! F4 always comes down to the Veto, if Tim and Joel/Cass control HoH and that, the brothers go. If they win one and not the other, there's a good chance Kelsey and the brothers are set for F2 and another Freakshow member goes. I also think the jury vote this season could be the closest ever dependent on what the pairing is

There's plenty that can still happen

I agree with this. If Tim wins after Nikki was evicted for not being Canadian will kinda suck and stink of double standards :S

That's not really his fault though and let's be honest Nikki was never going to win

[Braden]

Tim's talking **** about Cassandra to the brothers and Kelsey.

He also said that Joel deserves to go up in private convo with Kelsey.

[Raph]

I think the only hope now is that Joel gets voted out, but it'll be very hard for Cass to get that to happen and Kelsey seems to be her only hope :o

[Raph]

Sounds like Cass has applied for BBCAN multiple times AND made it to finals for BBCAN3. Superfan queen :lovedup:

[Raph]

Cass is pushing too hard on Tim, I think her best move is just to allow Tim to use it on himself and do everything she possibly can to convince Kelsey to save her over Joel. :worry:

[Jack_]

Feeds back, Joel is up and he's crying. Sounds like something big went down at the ceremony (again! :cheer2:) and he was exposed

[zakman440]

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[Jack_]

Also it was really weird, I had the viewer open on my desktop and was browsing the internet, had a quick glance at the 'feeds down' screen and then two seconds later they bring them back :laugh:

[Jack_]

Kelsey, brothers and Cass praising Tim's speech so it looks like he called him out and said it was the end of the Threakshow

The wheels are in motion for a Joel bussing and potential eviction. Watch this space

[Jack_]

Kelsey telling Cass she couldn't keep her because Joel's burned so many bridges and 'plus you got Jared out last week'

She's got a good game but she needs to get over this retribution ****. You're your own person, who cares about Jared? You aren't beating Joel, cut him

[Jack_]

Kelsey saying she thinks Tim would definitely take Cass (he wouldn't) to the end and vice versa and she 'would want them to, even over me'

Stop this

[LukeB]

Tbh i don't think Kelsey can beat anyone but Joel is a threat to all of them, Cassandra also can beat Kelsey in the f2 but Joel is the best move.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Kelsey would destroy the brothers probably 8-1? Which is what I'm hoping happens :love:

[Jack_]

omfg Joel comes to the hot tub and says 'I have an idea, what if I let you stay this week...I feel like ****'

:worry:

[Jack_]

Kelsey and Cass is a lot closer vote than a Kelsey and Joel one is

Kelsey can definitely win

[Jack_]

Kelsey would destroy the brothers probably 8-1? Which is what I'm hoping happens :love:

why the bloody hell would you want the brothers to be rewarded with $20k for their vile bull****

I want them out ASAP more than I want anyone to win at this point

[Jack_]

Cass relaying the info to Tim about how she thinks they won't cut each other

Now discussing how they need to drop hints individually that they're done with each other

[LukeB]

Kelsey and Cass is a lot closer vote than a Kelsey and Joel one is

Kelsey can definitely win

But Cassandra can still beat Kelsey

Tim,Joel,Maddy,Mitch

Kelsey - Rail/Jared/bros

Nikki's vote is up in the air and 9th vote has to be canada right? So who will get more votes... Cassandra..

Thats 5 for Cassandra

[Jack_]

Tim tells Cass to peddle the line that she'll vote for Joel, she tells him to brainstorm ideas

This is going to be a fun few days!

[Jack_]

But Cassandra can still beat Kelsey

Tim,Joel,Maddy,Mitch

Kelsey - Rail/Jared/bros

Nikki's vote is up in the air and 9th vote has to be canada right? So who will get more votes... Cassandra..

Thats 5 for Cassandra

Mitch is not a lock for Cass, he said if a Third Wheel member makes the F2 he'll vote for them and while that may have been exaggerated of all the jurors his vote is the least locked down, I think he could definitely be persuaded to vote for Kelsey. As I said earlier Cass' biggest problem will be demonstrating to the jury what us viewers have seen, just like Godfrey tried and failed to do too

I still think Cass would win but it's closer than it would be if Joel were sat next to Kelsey instead

[Macie Lightfoot]

why the bloody hell would you want the brothers to be rewarded with $20k for their vile bull****

I want them out ASAP more than I want anyone to win at this point

IDK, I don't really care about the money aspect of it too much. I just want Kelsey to win :love:

[Jack_]

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:joker: :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker: the shade of it

[Jack_]

All of Tim, Kelsey and the brothers think Joel wouldn't have used the Veto

[Jack_]

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Cass is pretty much trying to get Joel to go through with self-eviction :joker:

[Raph]

Pull through Cass and convince Joel to self evict <333

[Raph]

Cassandra just said she's been watching since season 2 with Dr Will. To think this superfan queen will be robbed of her place by dumb recruit Kelsey makes me soo mad :mad:

[Macie Lightfoot]

If she's such a superfan then she should have studied harder and won the HOH comp then :shrug: not everything comes back to the fact that Kelsey's a recruit

[Jack_]

Oh God Nick doesn't think there's a vote at F4 :umm2:

[Jack_]

He thinks whoever loses the Veto goes home rofl

Kelsey's just told him how it actually works

[LukeB]

Kelsey and Nick are confused how final 3 works :umm2:

[Raph]

such an idiot recruit :facepalm:

[Raph]

Kelsey and Nick are confused how final 3 works :umm2:

Makes me so mad that these idiots are getting Cass out

[Jack_]

Kelsey isn't confused, she knows how it works

Nick is like 'there's no replacement, there's no vote' :umm2:

[LukeB]

Makes me so mad that these idiots are getting Cass out

The idiot alliance :yuk:

[Raph]

Kelsey isn't confused, she knows how it works

Nick is like 'there's no replacement, there's no vote' :umm2:

yay claps to Kelsey, the girl who didn't even know what Jury was back in week 3 . As Cass has said numerous times, Kelsey doesn't play the game strategically, she just plays with friendships and that's soooo infuriating.

[Macie Lightfoot]

There isn't a right or wrong way to play the game. All you have to do is get to the end and get people to vote for you.

[Raph]

^^Yep just like Dan Gheesling did, right? :)

[Jack_]

The brothers talking about how Joel's the target next week if he doesn't win a comp and that they'll definitely make F2 then, Phil adds 'with Tim, Tim will take us too'

yas plz let Tim survive next week <3

[Macie Lightfoot]

^^Yep just like Dan Gheesling did, right? :)

Yes, Dan Gheesling is a winner of Big Brother. That has absolutely nothing to do with your obnoxiously condescending attitude towards recruits.

[Jack_]

yay claps to Kelsey, the girl who didn't even know what Jury was back in week 3 . As Cass has said numerous times, Kelsey doesn't play the game strategically, she just plays with friendships and that's soooo infuriating.

I get why you don't like Kelsey but in this case I think it's a little unfair and you're not looking at her game objectively

There are definitely downsides to the way she's playing and in the last hour I've already called her out - wanting Cass out as justice for Jared is petty and she needs to forget about him. But look at the stats, she's been on the block THREE times and is still there. Yes she was evicted once but don't you think it's testament to her great social game that she's still there (this has to be closing in on a record for the longest stint for a returnee) with an increasingly likely shot at F2? She has studied far more than anyone else (trust me this is true, her and Jared are the only ones I've ever watched on the feeds doing it), pulled out an HoH win just at the right time, listened to everything Loveita threw at her and came back with a great read on the game (like targeting Mitch), she works her looks to her benefit with the brothers all the time stroking their head and flirting with them etc, she knows exactly what she's doing and it's worked cause Phil is like infatuated with her

Her game is not perfect, nor is it the best, but you are doing her a deliberate disservice and it's quite unfair

[Macie Lightfoot]

Too bad she doesn't understand the intricacies of the game as well as the girl who very well might get evicted this week because of her doing :(

[Jack_]

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GET THESE TWATS OUT

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Phil is beyond self parody at this point

What great ****ing move? Evicting Maddy? Not consulting your brother and nominating Nikki instead of Cass and her going home? Your HoH's have failed. TWICE

[JerseyWins]

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:laugh3:

I think the brothers could win tbh as long as the jury isn't bitter towards them for being cocky or giving themselves too much credit or something. If not, I think it's kind of a case similar to Sarah from last year. They had some messy moments in the game with a couple big mistakes but also had some smarts and strategic gameplay in there in between. If they manage to get to the end while being big targets the whole game, then they could realistically win it against any of them. :shrug:

Orrrrrrrr the jury might just view them as a big joke. :joker:

[Macie Lightfoot]

yeah the second option is much more likely lmfao

[VanessaFeltz.]

I get why you don't like Kelsey but in this case I think it's a little unfair and you're not looking at her game objectively

There are definitely downsides to the way she's playing and in the last hour I've already called her out - wanting Cass out as justice for Jared is petty and she needs to forget about him. But look at the stats, she's been on the block THREE times and is still there. Yes she was evicted once but don't you think it's testament to her great social game that she's still there (this has to be closing in on a record for the longest stint for a returnee) with an increasingly likely shot at F2? She has studied far more than anyone else (trust me this is true, her and Jared are the only ones I've ever watched on the feeds doing it), pulled out an HoH win just at the right time, listened to everything Loveita threw at her and came back with a great read on the game (like targeting Mitch), she works her looks to her benefit with the brothers all the time stroking their head and flirting with them etc, she knows exactly what she's doing and it's worked cause Phil is like infatuated with her

Her game is not perfect, nor is it the best, but you are doing her a deliberate disservice and it's quite unfair
truth.

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Cass is still being evicted.... :dance: :dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance:: dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::d ance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::da nce::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dan ce::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::danc e::dance::dance:

[JerseyWins]

:dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance:

[LukeB]

:laugh3:

I think the brothers could win tbh as long as the jury isn't bitter towards them for being cocky or giving themselves too much credit or something. If not, I think it's kind of a case similar to Sarah from last year. They had some messy moments in the game with a couple big mistakes but also had some smarts and strategic gameplay in there in between. If they manage to get to the end while being big targets the whole game, then they could realistically win it against any of them. :shrug:

Orrrrrrrr the jury might just view them as a big joke. :joker:

It would not surprise me if they do win this game, I'm not counting them out just yet because they can win depends who they are against and if the jury is bitter towards the person next to them. I don't want them to win but I can feel it will happen :omgno:

[Macie Lightfoot]

I'm no psychic but I can't imagine any jury being more bitter towards anyone than the brothers. Like, they've completely tanked their game this past week :love: part of the reason I want a Kelsey/brothers F2 is because the panicked realization during the jury questioning that they're goats and not GOATS might be better than Dan realizing that he was going to lose to Ian :love:

[Raph]

Kelsey v Brothers would be my least favorite final 2 in the history of the show. :umm2:

[LukeB]

Kelsey v Brothers would be my least favorite final 2 in the history of the show. :umm2:

This

I rather Cassandra vs Joel
Cassandra Vs Tim
Tim Vs Joel

all 3 played better games than them 2. I wouldn't consider Kelsey/Brothers good gameplayers. So winners are always the best players is a load of bull****.. Look at BB11 I love Jordan but Michele was a better player than her. Jordan was carried.

[Macie Lightfoot]

The only rules are that you need to make it to the end and get the most votes to win. If you can't do that then you're not the best player of your season.

[LukeB]

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[Macie Lightfoot]

what's not realistic about that

[Raph]

This

I rather Cassandra vs Joel
Cassandra Vs Tim
Tim Vs Joel

all 3 played better games than them 2. I wouldn't consider Kelsey/Brothers good gameplayers. So winners are always the best players is a load of bull****.. Look at BB11 I love Jordan but Michele was a better player than her. Jordan was carried.

Yeah like Neda and Jon in BBCAN2 where Neda carried Jon to the end. End results like that can be so frustrating which is why if I was on the show I would keep all the strong players till the end so that a deserving strategist could win no matter what!

BBCAN3 final 2 was so perfect as Godfrey and Sarah both played such great intricate strategic games!

[LukeB]

Yeah like Neda and Jon in BBCAN2 where Neda carried Jon to the end. End results like that can be so frustrating which is why if I was on the show I would keep all the strong players till the end so that a deserving strategist could win no matter what!

BBCAN3 final 2 was so perfect as Godfrey and Sarah both played such great intricate strategic games!

Neda had the votes to win but she needed to win that last HOH (which is not gameplay) and let's not forget Neda is regarded as one of Big Brother's best strategic players
Keeping strong players is actually good because if you're going to take someone like Victoria the jury might vote Victoria who did nothing:laugh:

BBCAN3 final 2 was perfect :lovedup:

[Macie Lightfoot]

Neda should've cut Jon first :shrug: he deserved his win

[Daniel.]

Cass fuming everyone AGAIN?

[Headie]

The only rules are that you need to make it to the end and get the most votes to win. If you can't do that then you're not the best player of your season.

I agree with this tbh. The only time I have ever said this statement is untrue is when Danielle lost BB3 due to the jury not being sequestered. The fact that jury lockdown was brought in for all subsequent seasons just shows that Danielle was the true winner of BB3.

And also Jillian's win in BBCAN1, kinda.

[Braden]

Iklitd0vm2E

I had no idea this argument happened.

Nikki calling Phil a moron :love:

[VanessaFeltz.]

The only rules are that you need to make it to the end and get the most votes to win. If you can't do that then you're not the best player of your season.

BB2 Nicole
BB3 Danielle
BB4 Alison
BB5 Diane
BB7 Will
BB8 Eric
BB11 Michele
BB14 Dan
BB17 Vanessa/Liz

all say hi

[DrunkerThanMoses]

BB2 Nicole
BB3 Danielle
BB4 Alison
BB5 Diane
BB7 Will
BB8 Eric
BB11 Michele
BB14 Dan
BB17 Vanessa/Liz

all say hi

Half of them did not make the final 2. Ones who did, played poor social games and failed to gain the juries respect. People think to win Big Brother you need to win competitions or being a strategic mastermind, when sometimes it is just treating the jury with respect. Reason why Danielle lost is season 3, she came across arrogant in the DR's and mocking the evicted houseguests who would make the jury. People can blame they should have been sequestered, but Danielle knew the people leaving would vote for the winner, so her mockery of them was unnecessary; she KNEW they would be watching.

[Macie Lightfoot]

even with Danielle in BB3, taking Amy out instead of Lisa never gets mentioned as a huuuuge mistake for her and Jason. Like, whether or not the jury's sequestered Lisa would probably get an easy 5 votes at minimum.

[Pete.]

Most win by default because sadly the BBUSA/BBCAN (well not really the latter) is flawed and heavily manipulated by production. Like Jordan was not the greatest HM in her season and I believe Jessie and Lydia were paid off to vote for her and stuff like that.

[Raph]

Most win by default because sadly the BBUSA/BBCAN (well not really the latter) is flawed and heavily manipulated by production. Like Jordan was not the greatest HM in her season and I believe Jessie and Lydia were paid off to vote for her and stuff like that.

Yeah I always wondered, especially Jessie, why his vote didn't go to Natalie. Alison Grod***** = very sketchy if you ask me :nono:

[LukeB]

The thought of Boogie being a better player than Dr Will in season 7 LOL

[Macie Lightfoot]

well who won that season?

[Pete.]

Janelle

[LukeB]

Janelle

I wonder what she spent her $500,000 on :flutter:

[VanessaFeltz.]

Half of them did not make the final 2. Ones who did, played poor social games and failed to gain the juries respect. People think to win Big Brother you need to win competitions or being a strategic mastermind, when sometimes it is just treating the jury with respect. Reason why Danielle lost is season 3, she came across arrogant in the DR's and mocking the evicted houseguests who would make the jury. People can blame they should have been sequestered, but Danielle knew the people leaving would vote for the winner, so her mockery of them was unnecessary; she KNEW they would be watching.

You dont have to be in f2 to be the best player of the season every single player i listed made it to the point where your gameplay didnt matter (f4-3) only comp wins matter.

I would've voted for Victoria to win out of everyone in f6 when she has probably the worst gameplay out of anyone in her season does that make her the best player.. no it is just because i am a salty bitch.

bb2 will is the most over rated player i have ever seen(but he was the best one in bb7) he was not even a good player nicole was far better then him, she survived the first eviction where nobody liked her and she was in majority every single week since then.

bb3 I actually think Lisa is an above average player but she was nowhere near danielle's level

bb4 Alison was a better floater.

bb5 Diane easily controlled the season, Nakomis was also really good

bb7 Boogie followed Will

bb8 Even with disgusting america's tasks like vote to evict dustin, give jessica a silent treatment when she was hoh etc. he made it to f5.

bb11 Michele was amazing

bb14 Dan was far better than Ian jury was just salty

bb17 Steve was a bottom tier player, he only had some comp wins he seriously sucked at the game. Voting to evict MEG over Julia who was in an unbreakable trio shows how he sucked at the game. Vanessa had a big part in almost every eviction, also Liz made it to f6 with her boyfriend plus her twin.

[Cal.]

Nikki was the best player of all time

[Dominic]

Oh my gooosh, there shouldn't even be a discussion. If you make it to the end and win, you're the best player of the season. If someone wins bc of a bitter jury, that's the other person's fault for making the jury bitter. If Porsche opened the Pandora's Box which resulted in Rachel saving herself and winning, it's Porsche's fault for opening it.

I loathe Dan Gheesling and Derrick and Boogie but that's personal reasons and nothing to do with gameplay. They won a season, meaning they played the best game. That doesn't mean they played a perfect game, but the best one in the season.

The only case in which the winner doesn't have the best game is when its 100% due to rigging. Basically in BB8 Grodner rigged AP for Evel Dick and basically threatened people not to target them and didn't even open a vote for Eric using the veto just bc it could have resulted in Dick going.

Also being a gamebot who talks game 24/7 like Neda or Mitch doesn't make you a good player either

[DrunkerThanMoses]

even with Danielle in BB3, taking Amy out instead of Lisa never gets mentioned as a huuuuge mistake for her and Jason. Like, whether or not the jury's sequestered Lisa would probably get an easy 5 votes at minimum.

Agree, its not like Lisa played a horrible game, she is a very under-rated winner. I mean Danielles only shot to win that season was to go to the end with Amy, she would have probably lost to Jason as well.

You dont have to be in f2 to be the best player of the season every single player i listed made it to the point where your gameplay didnt matter (f4-3) only comp wins matter.

I would've voted for Victoria to win out of everyone in f6 when she has probably the worst gameplay out of anyone in her season does that make her the best player.. no it is just because i am a salty bitch.

bb2 will is the most over rated player i have ever seen(but he was the best one in bb7) he was not even a good player nicole was far better then him, she survived the first eviction where nobody liked her and she was in majority every single week since then.

bb3 I actually think Lisa is an above average player but she was nowhere near danielle's level

bb4 Alison was a better floater.

bb5 Diane easily controlled the season, Nakomis was also really good

bb7 Boogie followed Will

bb8 Even with disgusting america's tasks like vote to evict dustin, give jessica a silent treatment when she was hoh etc. he made it to f5.

bb11 Michele was amazing

bb14 Dan was far better than Ian jury was just salty

bb17 Steve was a bottom tier player, he only had some comp wins he seriously sucked at the game. Voting to evict MEG over Julia who was in an unbreakable trio shows how he sucked at the game. Vanessa had a big part in almost every eviction, also Liz made it to f6 with her boyfriend plus her twin.

I have all ready pointed out why Danielle lost season 3, and Troy brought up another good point with keeping Lisa instead of Amy.

I sorta agree with you on Nicole, she played a good game, and her and Will are one of the better final 2. But what you said about Nicole, you can say about Will; he was hated in that house, week 2, EVERYONE bar chilltown wanted him gone, but he kept surviving by lying and cheating everyone, while Nicole lost it and by the end the Jury liked Will more than her. A

And I still think Jun was better then Alison so I disagree with you there, but its your opinion.

I agree with you on others bar season 11; Kevin and Natalie was more deserving, and it was embrassing Jordan beat Nataile, clearly the better of the two. And I dont agree with Liz, she did nothing but follow instructions, at least Steve made descions (people will say he made bad ones) but it got him further in the game. Again like season 11 it would have been an embrassment if Liz won 17, when all she did was open her legs all season.

You admitted you would be a bitter jury member, thats up to you. Most of the time you get lucky with Juries, other times you dont. People say Dan was robbed in season 14, others will say he screwed over the jury too much

[LukeB]

Nikki was the best player of all time

Mastermind Nikki who won BBCAN4

[VanessaFeltz.]

Agree, its not like Lisa played a horrible game, she is a very under-rated winner. I mean Danielles only shot to win that season was to go to the end with Amy, she would have probably lost to Jason as well.



I have all ready pointed out why Danielle lost season 3, and Troy brought up another good point with keeping Lisa instead of Amy.

I sorta agree with you on Nicole, she played a good game, and her and Will are one of the better final 2. But what you said about Nicole, you can say about Will; he was hated in that house, week 2, EVERYONE bar chilltown wanted him gone, but he kept surviving by lying and cheating everyone, while Nicole lost it and by the end the Jury liked Will more than her. A

And I still think Jun was better then Alison so I disagree with you there, but its your opinion.

I agree with you on others bar season 11; Kevin and Natalie was more deserving, and it was embrassing Jordan beat Nataile, clearly the better of the two. And I dont agree with Liz, she did nothing but follow instructions, at least Steve made descions (people will say he made bad ones) but it got him further in the game. Again like season 11 it would have been an embrassment if Liz won 17, when all she did was open her legs all season.

You admitted you would be a bitter jury member, thats up to you. Most of the time you get lucky with Juries, other times you dont. People say Dan was robbed in season 14, others will say he screwed over the jury too much

Yeah i wanted to point out the fact my vote wouldnt change the best player of the season. I think luck is the most important thing in big brother, thinking of other side of the argument if steve voted out julia, liz could've voted him out in double eviction. He got lucky in f6 when he won hoh(it couldve been a challenge wasnt suited for his skills), rachel got lucky with pandora's box, derrick got lucky because he was casted on a season 15 stupid players etc etc.

[Jack_]

You dont have to be in f2 to be the best player of the season every single player i listed made it to the point where your gameplay didnt matter (f4-3) only comp wins matter.

I would've voted for Victoria to win out of everyone in f6 when she has probably the worst gameplay out of anyone in her season does that make her the best player.. no it is just because i am a salty bitch.

bb2 will is the most over rated player i have ever seen(but he was the best one in bb7) he was not even a good player nicole was far better then him, she survived the first eviction where nobody liked her and she was in majority every single week since then.

Will's BB2 game is arguably the best of all time. He threw every HoH comp in a season where there was no such thing as a PoV to save yourself, went on the block FOUR times and only had one vote cast against him. He told everyone he'd lie to them the entire time and did, constantly breaking promises he made to Hardy and Nicole yet they still kept him around. That is testament to one of the best social games ever played under the North American format because he relied on that alone to make it to the end, and he did. Nicole played well but she wrongly trusted Will on far too many occasions and rightfully lost.

His BB7 game was great too but he made a fatal mistake in overplaying at F4 and getting too cocky with Janelle and it cost him a second win, had he stayed he'd definitely have won again. Boogie used Erika to his advantage - rightly or wrongly, however you want to see it - and ended up taking it as a result.

[Macie Lightfoot]

the idea of "there's no gameplay after F5 and it just comes down to comp wins" is just incorrect? Do a good job of setting yourself up well for the end game and whether you win or lose the comps it shouldn't matter.

Also, while I personally would have voted for Liz to win over Steve and "think she played the better game" or whatever, her jury performance was probably the worst ever (:love:) so it makes sense why Steve got the most votes to win.

[JerseyWins]

her jury performance was probably the worst ever (:love:)
Ginamarie owns that achievement.

But I agree, I think it was debatable either way between Steve and Liz until the jury questioning. At that point, it would've been kinda embarrassing to not give Steve the win. :joker:

[Macie Lightfoot]

Also being a gamebot who talks game 24/7 like Neda or Mitch doesn't make you a good player either

this needs more attention

[Pete.]

Tbh I don't get the argument of evicting Amy was detrimental to Danielle's game because arguably Danielle would have won if they hadn't watched the season back

[VanessaFeltz.]

Tbh I don't get the argument of evicting Amy was detrimental to Danielle's game because arguably Danielle would have won if they hadn't watched the season back

hmmm

Danielle: Jason, Lori, Amy, Josh, Gerry
Lisa: Roddy, Chiara, Eric, Tonya, Marcellas

5-5 tie depends on america's vote

[Macie Lightfoot]

hmmm

Danielle: Jason, Lori, Amy, Josh, Gerry
Lisa: Roddy, Chiara, Eric, Tonya, Marcellas

5-5 tie depends on america's vote

yes Lori would totally vote for the one person she had a screaming match with alol

[LukeB]

When are the BBCAN awards.. it's just a shame Nikki aka Adele can't be there to collect her awards :(

[Macie Lightfoot]

Tbh I don't get the argument of evicting Amy was detrimental to Danielle's game because arguably Danielle would have won if they hadn't watched the season back

it's detrimental because she got rid of the only person she could have beaten. Lisa had a lot of close friends on the jury and was well-liked so whether or not the jury is sequestered she still wins I think?

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Danielle's goal was to be in the final 2 with Jason as well, another bad move as he would have won. Like Troy said her only option to win was Amy. Add in the fact she mocked the jury in the DR, adds to why she lost. People can say the jury should have been sequestered, but why? Danielle watched season 2 and knew the Jury returned after watching the show.

[VanessaFeltz.]

yes Lori would totally vote for the one person she had a screaming match with alol

after that screaming match lori she still voted to keep her plus lori always spoke very positively about danielle in her jury segments and lisa put her up for eviction soo

[Raph]

Cassandra :lovedup:

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Cassandra is being EVICTED :lovedup:

Corrected for you

[Raph]

Corrected for you

:fist:

So question for you then man, do you prefer Sarah H or Cassandra, and why? :p

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Is suicide a option?

[Raph]

No :tongue: im curious!

[Ross.]

DTM would choose the beautiful Cassandra of course! :clap1:

[Raph]

omg Cassandra is working her magic and Kelsey is being persuaded :amazed:

Come on Cass!!!!!!

[LukeB]

omg Cassandra is working her magic and Kelsey is being persuaded :amazed:

Come on Cass!!!!!!

I wish the eviction was today because anything can happen in these two days :worry: and it's Kelsey

[Jamie89]

Does anyone know if the POV comp has happened yet/if the veto's been used etc?

[LukeB]

Does anyone know if the POV comp has happened yet/if the veto's been used etc?

Tim won veto, used it on himself and Joel was the replacement.

[Jamie89]

Tim won veto, used it on himself and Joel was the replacement.
Thanks. But ****! I don't want either to go :worry:

[LukeB]

Thanks. But ****! I don't want either to go :worry:

Same :( but I love how unpredictable it is.

[Raph]

Wow Cass is actually making this work, this is so amazing.

[Ross.]

I'm not going to get my hopes up :(

[LukeB]

Thank god Tim compared Kelsey with Jade and not Tahan!! that would be an insult.

[Raph]

I'm not going to get my hopes up :(

#BelieveinCass

[Pete.]

Cassandra's revival era is coming

[LukeB]

Pull through Cassandra
http://i49.tinypic.com/2vn27sw.gif

[Ross.]

Not here for when Luke starts stanning Cass, she ends up leaving

Don't stan my faves again :fist:

[JerseyWins]

This is a funny conversation. Just everything out in the open. :joker:

I hope this is just a plan to turn Tim & Joel against each other, or ostracize Joel, going into the final 4. That would be the smart way to go for Kelsey & the brothers (maybe not as much Kelsey cause Cass might take Kelsey.. but who won't :joker:). Get everything out there and then vote out Cass anyway cause Tim & Cass would stick with each other.

Cass MIGHT actually stay. :worry: I think Kelsey would vote out Joel as of right now but depends on what Kelsey & the brothers have to say in a conversation alone.

[Jack_]

The wheels are in motion for a Joel bussing and potential eviction. Watch this space

What did I tell y'all?

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The tide is turning (but it's not over yet)

[Calderyon]

Will be a sad day, if Cassandra ends up staying.