Survivor: Millennials vs. Gen X [Season 33]

[JerseyWins]

Ohhhh there goes Winchelle. :omgno:

This season is soooo unpredictable to me.

[Macie Lightfoot]

seven of the first eight boots are women. Donald Trump would be proud!

[JerseyWins]

Damn I liked her more this episode than I was lately too (she was pretty good throughout tho but sometimes invisible with a random confessional). Also, Adam was kinda annoying me.

[AarynGriesfan]

Damn Macie beat me too it. I was just about say that if our election wasn't enough to show that Misogyny is still rampant in our society the boot order on Survivor certainly is.

[JerseyWins]

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[AarynGriesfan]

Oh and to add to my previous point how can I forget about all of it on big brother and from certain posters on the forum. In conclusion people suck.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Oh and to add to my previous point how can I forget about all of it on big brother and from certain posters on the forum. In conclusion people suck.

:love::love::love: love you hun...x

I've been trying to put BBUS on my mental backburner because BB18 really tested me in so many ways, but for the people who are still in denial that the show is inherently misogynistic, here's a friendly reminder that the last woman who won without significant production interference won in 2005!

[AarynGriesfan]

And now I am even more pissed off because I just watched Michelle's ponderosa video and some asshole assaulted Michelle. Like wtf is wrong with people.

[AarynGriesfan]

:love::love::love: love you hun...x

I've been trying to put BBUS on my mental backburner because BB18 really tested me in so many ways, but for the people who are still in denial that the show is inherently misogynistic, here's a friendly reminder that the last woman who won without significant production interference won in 2005!

I had put it out of my head till just now. But when it's a reoccuring theme it drags up old bad memories.

[rk3388]

Omg LegendChelle

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Why don't clips like these make the mainshow :joker:

I loled at Zeke's "Dragons or Dinosaurs... she uses the words interchangeably" :joker:

[rk3388]

And this is now the ADAM SHOW! :dance:

[Macie Lightfoot]

yes, it's the Adam show, and it's also been a beige, terrible season of Survivor. That is not a coincidence.

[AarynGriesfan]

yes, it's the Adam show, and it's also been a beige, terrible season of Survivor. That is not a coincidence.

Yeah it's pretty bad now. I defended it a couple of weeks ago but I'm over it now.

[reece(:]

This season is officially red-zoned with Winchelle becoming Losechelle. Everyone else except Hannah is trash.

[AarynGriesfan]

This season is officially red-zoned with Winchelle becoming Losechelle. Everyone else except Hannah is trash.

There is no one left that I find likeable. This cast as a whole was not good. Michaela was entertaining and so was Figgy especially when they were fighting with each other. Then you had Michelle who was awesome but was grossly under utilized. She had some great scenes that only made it onto the secret scenes.
Compare that to last season where almost everyone brought it from an entertainment stand point and it's just a major let down.

[caprimint]

this whole trend of like "I wanna get <person> out, so we need to take our <person's ally rather han person himself>" is so stupid and another reason why Adam sucks
I think it is potentially a good move, the only reason Adam wanted to do this was because he thought there might have been an idol in play I thought?

Ken wanting to get Taylor was great though :love: If only they'd gone with that. Adam doesn't seem to realize that Taylor is not gonna align with him as much as he tries to create a bond...he's just gonna turn both sides against him if he carries on like this unfortunately.


This season is soooo unpredictable to me.
Same, I've heard most people saying it's predictable but most of the boots have been not what I've expected.

yes, it's the Adam show, and it's also been a beige, terrible season of Survivor. That is not a coincidence.
Honestly Adam has only really come into it more for the past two episodes, you can't blame half the cast being boring on him. :facepalm:

[LukeB]

Damn Macie beat me too it. I was just about say that if our election wasn't enough to show that Misogyny is still rampant in our society the boot order on Survivor certainly is.

Your idol Aaryn KKK voted trump :)

[LukeB]

I love how unpredictable this season is but the cast is the reason why this is a flop but i do like 4 people etc but that's not enough. I'm not really bothered with Michelle going. The boot was shocking because she was meant to be 'winning' i give it that.

[EspeonBB]

I wasn't that bothered by Michelle going but yeah this season is a huge flop

[EspeonBB]

I actually think this season is really predictable, the only boots I didn't see coming were Mari and Michaela. I think everyone else's boot was fairly obvious :shrug:

I like Hannah and Ken so hopefully one of them wins

[starry]

Been an interesting season with plenty of gameplay.

Taylor telling Adam that 'information leaks' was hilarious, as was Adam's hilarious belief that he could get Taylor on side.

Would have preferred Adam going over Michelle, but there's still plenty left in this season yet.

I don't have to love most of the cast (it's not Big Brother, maybe thankfully), I just have to find enough interesting, and I do.

[LukeB]

I actually think this season is really predictable, the only boots I didn't see coming were Mari and Michaela. I think everyone else's boot was fairly obvious :shrug:

I like Hannah and Ken so hopefully one of them wins

For me I found cece was the only predicable boot. I didn't call the others going especially Michaela. I'm glad S34 isn't that far away though hopefully that's a massive improvement.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Michaela was the only boot that was truly unpredictable. Just about every other boot could've been telegraphed as soon as the Immunity Challenge ended.

I think the issue with this season is that it's taking the worst elements of the Cook Islands/Fiji era and Cambodia. So many people are criminally underedited, nobody's personalities are fleshed out, and the emphasis is all on gameplay and voting blocs with no character development. The only people who I feel like I know as characters are Taylor, Hannah, and I guess Ken (who hasn't even gotten that much development since the tribe swap). That's 25%. That's abysmal.

Bret/Sunday/Will are interchangeable nobodies, Jay has become prominent but only as A Good Player, David's been a gamebot ever since the Paul boot, Jessic/Zeke/Chris all have edits that are as flat as can be, and Adam is just an obnoxious gamebot who ruins anything fun. I know I've been vocal about my Adam hate since the start, and yes I'm well aware that in the broader context of Survivor he's not that bad, but "Taylor is sneaking off and eating food in the middle of the night, I can use this to build trust with him after I blindsided him and his girlfriend!!!!!!" has to be the most forced bull**** strategy confessional since we heard Kim Spradlin talk about the strategic benefits of a pig wandering into camp during One World.

I think my favorite is Taylor, the surfer bro douche who cheated on his pregnant girlfriend to create the most vapid Survivor couple imaginable. I'll let that speak for itself.

[JerseyWins]

I don't think this season has been predictable at all. The only obvious boot was CeCe and the rest were either up in the air to go either way or just outright shocking.

This one I'd consider more up in the air than shocking as I felt like Michelle could go if not for all the winner hype that I thought could be true. Still, surely not a predictable boot, especially before this episode or early in this episode.

[JerseyWins]

Why don't clips like these make the mainshow :joker:

I loled at Zeke's "Dragons or Dinosaurs... she uses the words interchangeably" :joker:
:joker: :joker: :joker:

That whole clip on Michelle definitely should've made the show.

[AarynGriesfan]

Your idol Aaryn KKK voted trump :)

So did half the country....

[caprimint]

I don't think this season has been predictable at all. The only obvious boot was CeCe and the rest were either up in the air to go either way or just outright shocking.

This one I'd consider more up in the air than shocking as I felt like Michelle could go if not for all the winner hype that I thought could be true. Still, surely not a predictable boot, especially before this episode or early in this episode.
Pretty much. I've seen loads of posts by people predicting who is leaving every episode after about the first 10mins as well and the majority have been wrong. :think:

[Headie]

I've predicted every boot so far except Michaela and Mari by the time the IC ended, just not enjoying this season at all

[MB.]

wow I don't have a single thought on that episode and it's been several hours since I watched it

[starry]

Definitely an unpredictable season, which is great for me (I've never been into spoilers).

[Macie Lightfoot]

I mean, the Rachel boot was predictable when she opened her mouth and was annoying, Mari's post-IC confessional was the kiss of death, Paul's boot was foreshadowed very transparently, Lucy was doomed when she got airtime, and the CeCe and Figgy boots were obvious too.

[caprimint]

Is it bad I genuinely don't remember who Rachel or Lucy are

[AarynGriesfan]

Is it bad I genuinely don't remember who Rachel or Lucy are

A bad sign for the season yeah.

[starry]

Early boots often are forgotten.

I don't think anyone can just fly under the radar this season.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Plenty of people are given under the radar edits so

[reece(:]

Carter, Brenda (Caramoan) and Natalie Bolton come to mind^

[MB.]

Two of which are top tier Survivors and the other of which is Brenda in Caramoan

[MB.]

When you realise that three quarters of the remaining contestants are white men

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[Macie Lightfoot]

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can Probst just bring her back already ffs

[reece(:]

Not Sunday

[MB.]

I scream, you scream, we all scream for ice cream Sunday

(I like that JBL has '89' in her Twitter handle. Never stop dreaming, hun)

[DrunkerThanMoses]

They need to start rigging it for Jay/Will/Taylor or this season will start to become dire. I mean its been perfection so far with all these over rated women going. Now all it needs is a fantastic final 3 of Jay/Will/Taylor.

[Headie]

Said no one ever.

[reece(:]

Ken, Hannah and Ms Bland need to be the final three

[Calderyon]

Great play by the Gen X + Hannah/Zeke. Although in the long run, maybe getting rid of paranoid Adam and the immunity idol at the same time would have been more beneficial to them. Had they known about it, it might have swayed them to get rid of him.

Adam got very lucky this time. Also how stupid can he be for thinking that Taylor will ally with him after getting rid of his (Taylor´s) closest ally? Very.

[Macie Lightfoot]

They need to start rigging it for Jay/Will/Taylor or this season will start to become dire. I mean its been perfection so far with all these over rated women going. Now all it needs is a fantastic final 3 of Jay/Will/Taylor.

I'll give you Taylor and maaaaybe Jay, but Will? cum on hun ur mask is slippin......x

[Calderyon]

Will is like a male Kelly Shinn. Maybe he quits and that´s the reason he is so under featured.

[caprimint]

Will is literally soooooooooo awful. I'd never really seen how unlikeable (and kinda came across as arrogant) he was until last episode.

Final 3 of Ken/Adam/David would be perfect :love: Jay would be deserving as well tbf.

[reece(:]

Why did this and Michelle's Dragons secret scene not make the episode? :omgno:

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[Macie Lightfoot]

bc it's not Gameplay

[starry]

I don't see what's interesting about Ken, some of the audience just seem to fancy him and that's it really.

[caprimint]

I don't see what's interesting about Ken, some of the audience just seem to fancy him and that's it really.
He hasn't been featured as much in the last couple of episodes but every time he does get airtime he's excellent. Flashback to him dragging Paul for not following through with his actions, making a surprising yet brilliant alliance with David and being the voice of reason constantly. Also wanting to target Taylor over Michelle last week :worship:

[rk3388]

Final 3 of Ken/Adam/David would be perfect :love: Jay would be deserving as well tbf.

That would be almost perfect- I think bringing along Hannah or Jessica until the end over Jay would make it better

[JerseyWins]

Out of the ones mentioned, any combination of Ken, David, Jay, & Hannah sounds good to me.

[Jack_]

I've been praising this season so far but yeah, this episode was really, really boring

[Macie Lightfoot]

oh my god Adam's confessional delivery and just general affect is so annoying.

[Does anybody even care that this is on btw? This season is so lifeless and lacking of any personal content that I can't imagine anyone actually caring about... well, anyone.]

[Macie Lightfoot]

alol Taylgod divinely snacking on dates and peaches :love:

[JerseyWins]

Wtf is up with Taylor's edit :joker: I feel like it's sort of a more likable version of what BB18 was doing with Corey on the episodes.

[Macie Lightfoot]

don't you dare even compare them

[JerseyWins]

Still have no idea who Sunday is... I forgot about her until I saw her watching the comp just now.

[JerseyWins]

don't you dare even compare them
:joker: Maybe it's a bad comparison tbh

[Macie Lightfoot]

Can they feed Bret more alcohol pls

[Macie Lightfoot]

lmfaooooooooooo if this turns into Adam getting a Roger Sexton type of boot episode I'll be sooooooo okay with this

[Macie Lightfoot]

oh so this is gonna turn into a random one episode Jessica/Sunday rivalry then. Because the editors couldn't have possibly planted the seeds to this earlier by showing Sunday at all.

[JerseyWins]

Jessica being a possible boot is sooooo random but I wouldn't mind it at allllll.

[JerseyWins]

Damn, I just hope it's not Jay who goes. :fc:

[JerseyWins]

Idk but my guess is that Jay uses his idol & Taylor goes.

[Macie Lightfoot]

FIGSPIRATION...x

[Macie Lightfoot]

omg come on Taylor save this season please

[JerseyWins]

This is soooo weird but great. :joker:

I find it hard to believe that Adam could actually go tonight though but then again, I never know who's gonna go this season.

[Macie Lightfoot]

well thx for trying to revitalize this season Taylor

[JerseyWins]

Oh yeah I just realized Jay didn't need to use his idol... just needed him & Will to vote against Taylor. :joker:

Taylor </3

I'm just glad Jay survived though. Especially since now things might flip on Adam or whoever else.

[JerseyWins]

Will telling Zeke that Jay has an idol. :facepalm:

RIP Jay

[Macie Lightfoot]

The one positive I will say about this season is that I have no clue who wins.

HOWEVER, this isn't because the editors are doing a good job with the edit (they aren't), it's because they're hardly editing anything with any continuity. There's such a difference between last season when everyone was trying to figure out whether Michele or Aubry wins (or even Cydney. And even Tai could've had a decent argument made for him), and this season where nobody has a strong edit whatsoever. The only Winner Edits we had going into the merge were Michelle (lol) and Ken (who hasn't been featured in the past three episodes now), and every other edit is ridiculously flawed.

It's not even just an edgic thing, but even know do we really know Bret or Chris or Will or Sunday as people? Jessica too really? Even the people that we do "know" a little bit better like Adam, Jay, Zeke, and David, we only really know them from a game perspective. The editing this season is just really hollow and empty and it's hard to care about anyone. Not to mention storylines just abruptly starting and stopping without any justification. I don't even think we've seen Jessica and Sunday interact at all, but now we're just supposed to accept that they don't like each other and are secretly scheming against each other. Ken had a strong pre-merge edit and now we haven't heard from him since the swap. I doubt we're even going to be reminded about the Legacy Advantage until Jessica is booted. IDK, this season's **** and I can only say that in so many different ways.

[Calderyon]

Bye Taylor. Have fun with Michelle at the Ponderosa. Would have minded Adam going too as he was being a huge d*** yet again.

And seems like Jay is toast, since everyone is about to know about his idol, because of Will. Should have picked your allies better, Jay.

[Calderyon]

Will telling Zeke that Jay has an idol. :facepalm:

RIP Jay

That last bit made too obvious that Jay is in trouble. I don´t think Jessica or Chris are in danger either, since their names were mentioned. So it´ll probably be Will who goes next.

And i think Adam and Jay will use their idols at the same time at some point and Jessica or Sunday or Chris ends up going instead.

[AarynGriesfan]

The fact that Jay is the only one left that I like and want to see win really says everything about this season.

[rk3388]

GO ON ADAM!

Bye Taylor!
Not minding this season- definitely not one of my favourites but still enjoying it!

[caprimint]

That episode was amazing for a variety of reasons.

- Taylor leaving when he tried to turn it onto Adam and it majorly backfiring. :love:
- Adam calling out Jay's contradictions re: the mason jars and shutting down the whole discussion... Jay didn't have a clue what to say.
- Adam in general.
- Ken winning immunity.
- Chris and Bret's bromance.

[starry]

Decent episode again, I always avoid the previews but people never use spoiler tags on them.

[caprimint]

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King :worship:

[LukeB]

That episode was amazing for a variety of reasons.

- Taylor leaving when he tried to turn it onto Adam and it majorly backfiring. :love:
- Adam calling out Jay's contradictions re: the mason jars and shutting down the whole discussion... Jay didn't have a clue what to say.
- Adam in general.
- Ken winning immunity.

[2]

[rk3388]

That episode was amazing for a variety of reasons.

- Taylor leaving when he tried to turn it onto Adam and it majorly backfiring. :love:
- Adam calling out Jay's contradictions re: the mason jars and shutting down the whole discussion... Jay didn't have a clue what to say.
- Adam in general.
- Ken winning immunity.
- Chris and Bret's bromance.

[3]

[MB.]

So whilst this season has been busy sucking, Bret secretly got kind of island hot? (http://i.imgur.com/uahy2qx.jpg)

[Jack_]

Well this episode was dull as hell until tribal, I know we're only two eps in but the post-merge has so far been awful and I still miss Michaela

Also Jeff's 'millennial' impression of Taylor :joker: :joker::joker: :joker::joker: :joker::joker: :joker::joker: :joker: ffs

[Macie Lightfoot]

l m f a o but I think Taylor *MIGHT* be my season favorite?????? There's still time for people to take back that title (Ken if he ever appears again), but I just realized that Mari's boot, Figgy's boot, and Taylor's boot were three of the best, if not the three best, episodes and they were all gr8 because a huge focus was how Taylor has no fear in being a complete dumbass. Not to mention that he's one of the few people this season who actually had a personality and was portrayed as a character rather than a boring as **** gamebot.

[rk3388]

Honestly the only thing I even remember about him the week of his boot is that he was in a showmance with Figgy and hid the food.... yup.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Compared to Chris and Zeke and Jessica and Sunday and Will and Bret and honestly even David doing nothing? And Adam yelling at us in his confessionals for nine weeks now? Wow I just named two-thirds of the final twelve.

[MB.]

Excuse me BigGayDrunkBret was big and gay and drunk

[MB.]

Also I liked Tayls and found him as sicky sicky nar nar as the next man, but "at least he did something" isn't a very... you kind of argument?

[JerseyWins]

Well this episode was dull as hell until tribal, I know we're only two eps in but the post-merge has so far been awful and I still miss Michaela
Yeah this was a pretty boring episode IMO, and I'm enjoying this season but it cooled down a bit after the Michaela boot for sure.

Also this was one of the few episodes that I found very predictable as I actually had a pretty good feeling who was going since early in the episode and knew almost for sure by the time they were heading to TC.

Still looking forward to seeing how this season ends and there's enough people in that I still really like.

[EspeonBB]

Season highlights uploaded!
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[reece(:]

"There's 3 of you over there, if you can't figure out how to work together then you deserve to go home"

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[EspeonBB]

Her wanting to flip Jeff off :love:

She should've done it

[Headie]

Season highlights uploaded!
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Legends only

SO happy she is back next season

[caprimint]

"There's 3 of you over there, if you can't figure out how to work together then you deserve to go home"

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Guess she deserved to go home as well then. :hehe:

[reece(:]

Guess she deserved to go home as well then. :hehe:

Perhaps Will and Jay do for sealing their fate at the merge with their alliance being decimated and all

[caprimint]

Perhaps Will and Jay do for sealing their fate at the merge with their alliance being decimated and all
Will does, he's just Jay's sheep. I'm here for Jay being taken in by Sunday and aligning to get Jessica out though. :flutter:

[Macie Lightfoot]

I'm here for this season to end tbh

[JerseyWins]

Will does, he's just Jay's sheep. I'm here for Jay being taken in by Sunday and aligning to get Jessica out though. :flutter:
Yes :clap1: I'm hoping this happens

[Macie Lightfoot]

I'm personally excited to see how Jessica can follow up her UTRP1-UTRN1 edgic combo

[reece(:]

I'm personally excited to see how Jessica can follow up her UTRP1-UTRN1 edgic combo

OTTN5 boot ep?

[MB.]

Jessica's dictator era incoming?

[Macie Lightfoot]

Personal goal: not fall asleep during these two dreadfully boring hours

[Jack_]

wait what this is a two hour special

[Macie Lightfoot]

yup! double disappointment tonight (I'm pretty sure it's two separate episodes but it's on the TV listings as one episode so people's DVRs don't stop? The commercials say 2 people going home so I'm guessing it's just two back-to-back episodes)

[Macie Lightfoot]

"I flirt with Ken" lollllllllll stop Hannah stop

[Macie Lightfoot]

was that just part of a secret scene they didn't use two weeks ago? so they kept out the stuff that actually had substance and just made it a "lol Hannah" scene? :\

[Jack_]

D: I don't know if I can watch this live that long lmao

[Macie Lightfoot]

"Jay *DOES* have an Idol :o :o :o" ---every person in Fiji

[Macie Lightfoot]

god Zeke is so boring why is he getting shoved down our throats (well we know why but ugh why)

[Macie Lightfoot]

A moment for David's winner package...?!?!?!?!

[Macie Lightfoot]

do we get more of DrunkBret at least

[Macie Lightfoot]

ew Adam's face is so ugly lmfao (poor Momma Adam though)

[Macie Lightfoot]

okay more material for David's reunion package

[Macie Lightfoot]

oh good another endurance challenge, what a novel concept :)

[Macie Lightfoot]

oh god the confessionals about David winning are gonna be NAUSEATING why did he have to win this one

[Macie Lightfoot]

k so David is basically older Cochran. No wonder why Jeff likes this season (I think he does, right?)

[Macie Lightfoot]

"voting blocs" no no no *bangs head against wall*

[Macie Lightfoot]

having saving things by coining #TrustCluster :love::love::love:

[Macie Lightfoot]

k David wins

[Macie Lightfoot]

k so David vs. Zeke is gonna be the nauseating end-game power struggle, solidifying why Zeke comes back next season (in addition to any revelation about being trans), and then David wins and Jeff climaxes at the reunion.

[Macie Lightfoot]

lmfao this is quite possibly THE stupidest challenge ever what the hell am I watching

[Macie Lightfoot]

Jessica struggling like crazy :love::love:

[Macie Lightfoot]

Bret's white butt glowing like the sun :love: I wouldn't say no tbh, I think was MB who pointed out that he's the season's Island Hot candidate.

[Macie Lightfoot]

oh good, more cold war between Zeke and David at reward :rolleyes: hopefully we at least get Drunk Bret or Slutty Bret or Crushing On Zeke Bret during the reward scene

[Macie Lightfoot]

big LGBT scene possibly? Oh god I can't handle this

[Macie Lightfoot]

when did Bret becoming one of my season faves (even if you could totally feel Probst jerking off to that last scene, especially when the MILLENNIALS talk :rolleyes:)

[Macie Lightfoot]

I was just saying to myself that maybe David doesn't win after all because so far we've seen everyone siding with Zeke and nobody vocally supporting David, and then Hannah decides to save the day and turn on Zeke lmfao :love:

[Macie Lightfoot]

Cydney circa Day 22 or whatever: "I've been with Jason and Scot but they're actually huge assholes and they try to boss me around sooooo"

Hannah circa Day 29 or 30: "I've been working with Zeke for a month buuuut he's actually super condescending and I hate him so"

:love:

[Macie Lightfoot]

lmfaooooo Hannah is the world's worst liar :joker:

[Macie Lightfoot]

It's Day 30 and there are 10 people left...

[Macie Lightfoot]

yessssssss Bret putting this trust cluster voting bloc nonsense :love:


but eww Zeke and kinda Bret too (but I'm wiling to forgive DrunkBret)

[Macie Lightfoot]

Bret randomly getting so aggressive when he's really just a passenger in this whole scheme :joker:

[Macie Lightfoot]

lmfao David wasting his HII out of pure generosity :love:

Adam you're dumb as ****...x

[Macie Lightfoot]

and now Adam's gonna flip probably :rolleyes:

[Macie Lightfoot]

RAWKS...x or a unanimous vote?

[Macie Lightfoot]

LMFAO JBL :joker:

okay I might be over Bret again? he's being gross and he needs to hop off Zeke's dick

[Macie Lightfoot]

omg Jessica sobbing as Jeff snuffed her torch is actually really sad :( **** put her on S34 not Zeke's ass

[Macie Lightfoot]

It's amazing how even a rock draw happens to pick out a girl and eliminate her.

Also I know I said I randomly became a huge Bret fan overnight but I think I'm over him already? That TC performance was gross and he's turning into a loud cocky bully now that he gushed his heart out to Zeke (who he TOTALLY has a crush on btw, and it's also really gross because ew Zeke sucks)

[Macie Lightfoot]

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ICONIQUE.

[AarynGriesfan]

I have been very down on this whole season( for good reason) but I thoroughly enjoyed every minute of that episode.

[BBUKAUSFAN]

That was such a great episode hopefully more of this is to come, its really starting to go somewhere.

So glad my boy Jay is still in the mix!

[rk3388]

That episode would have been perfect if like Sunday got eliminated :joker:

UGH, why couldn't David give his HII to Hannah D:

Still enjoyed the episode, just heart-breaking to see Jess go home - I loved her deer in the headlights edit O_O

[Headie]

Mess @ 2 women left and Zeke's side in the majority. Why would anyone still enjoy this season beats me :shrug:

[JerseyWins]

Just got through this episode... it was EXCELLENT. So much that was going on, Jay survives two TC's following a huge target on his back, Hannah survives after nearly going (and I was thinking she would go on a re-vote), and Chris & Jessica were the two boots. I literally couldn't ask for better.

I was hoping for Zeke to go when Zeke & Hannah were the options (plus I've gone off him a little bit anyway) but this was sooo much better.

But oh yeah... David wasting his idol. :facepalm: (at least it kept Ken safe when drawing rocks lol)

[Headie]

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This is funny because it's true

[MB.]

Okay so I do actually think those were the best two episodes of the season, however low a hurdle that may be - I don't have any hope for the rest of it, mind, but I enjoyed that

DrunkGayBret (which is now canon <3) is probably my favourite now and I will not hear Troy's slander against him

Purple rock draw <3 <3 <3 I did like JBL but her going out like that is pretty perfect, and her selling her rock on Craigslist is just :love:

[MB.]

Also I want to be the bug that landed on Taylor

[reece(:]

Jessica Bland Lewis sobbing </3

[starry]

Hannah was so stupid giving it away to Zeke that she wasn't with him. The problem for David has been the people on his side.

Both Brett and Zeke are annoying. Zeke with his stupid remark about David crying and Brett saying it was David's fault it went to stones. Brett said it was an individual game, well he could shown that by voting out Zeke who is clearly a bigger threat than Hannah.

[caprimint]

Those were a couple of great episodes. :thumbs:

Solidified my love for Ken/David/Adam and their alliance and how awful Zeke/Bret are.

[Macie Lightfoot]

"I feel like I'm going to the final five" hun it feels like you are going to Ponderosa...........x

[Macie Lightfoot]

Still can't figure out why there are NINE people left this late wtf

[JerseyWins]

I'm so tired of Survivor family/loved one visits tbh (maybe because I've watched so many in a short time period and they're pretty repetitive) but this one was actually pretty entertaining I guess?

Jay winning it helps :clap1:

Also, seemed even more emotional than usual.

[Macie Lightfoot]

I don't really mind them too much, and it definitely helps when some of the loved ones POP like Abi-Maria's mom, but it's 8:30 and this episode has so far been entirely devoted to the loved ones. Fair enough if not much happens strategically this episode, but it feels like the story of this elimination is gonna be super rushed.

[Macie Lightfoot]

I'm willing to forgive Will's cringey confessional delivery if this means it's the end of ZEKEVIVOR (which is an actual hashtag Zeke has used on Twitter apparently... yikes, like get over yourself.)

[JerseyWins]

I'm trying to figure out how Zeke won't go and who will go instead.

[Macie Lightfoot]

alolllllllllll why is Ken so dumb

[JerseyWins]

LOL @ this ... Will is horrible at Survivor :joker:

[JerseyWins]

Ok yeah maybe Ken's the one who screwed up and screwed himself over. :joker:

[JerseyWins]

I mean maybe that was just damage control and Will still votes out Zeke. :shrug:

[Macie Lightfoot]

Sunday throwing Hannah's name out there so she can be the last woman standing HMMMMMM......

[Macie Lightfoot]

LMFAO Adam saving the day with his crotch idol :joker:

[JerseyWins]

WTF I did NOT expect that :joker: There's so many idols being played for other people this season.

[Macie Lightfoot]

"I feel like I'm going to the final five" hun it feels like you are going to Ponderosa...........x

what was that hun...x

[Macie Lightfoot]

and whoops it looks like Will voted with them anyway, gj Adam!

[Macie Lightfoot]

I still have no clue why Zeke is being brought back in the spring. My friend who Wiki watches asked me what he did to warrant a return and my answer was like... he Played The Game, which really just means that the editors chose to gave him content. He didn't have a storyline other than the one that started last week about him vs. David, he wasn't particularly engaging or funny or interesting, he literally just Played A Good Game (except for the part where he went out in 9th place)

Also, preemptive prediction for next week: Will gets Christy'd/Dolly'd/President Lacina'd.

[JerseyWins]

Pretty lackluster episode but a very good finish (final 10-15 minutes).

I liked Zeke more again this episode and wanted to see him stay but still better than Hannah going. With the way things played out and how he played/acted that episode, I wouldn't have minded Ken going.

[AarynGriesfan]

Why does everyone seem to love this episode? I thought it was mostly a snooze fest.

[Macie Lightfoot]

The camp scene after the IC was good but I don't think the episode was stellar by any means. The loved ones stuff took up wayyyyyyyyy too much time but that's because this season's had terrible scheduling, with 9 people left on Day 31 or whatever.

[rk3388]

ADAM WHY'D YOU PLAY YOUR IDOL :(
Ahhh oh well - great boot! Shame I thought I would like Zeke more

[JerseyWins]

Eh, overall I liked Zeke but not as much as I originally thought. I didn't expect him to be a kinda arrogant, overly game bot type of character that he morphed into especially around the end. And that's not necessarily that big of a deal to me but he could've used some more charisma to go along with it. I thought he would be highly charismatic pre-season and still thought so early on but he barely had any charisma at all tbh. Also, I saw some humor in Zeke earlier on but expected more of a full-on comedy character from him. I'm more of like a disappointed fan of his :joker: but nonetheless he was still a pretty enjoyable character that was a little bit annoying last week and fine on most episodes.

With that said, I'm interested to see what he's like in the next season. He'll probably want to take control of the game again and definitely has potential to provide some big game moves and drama and I'm all for that.

[caprimint]

Great episode for Adam once again, he had so many iconic moments. :worship:

Ken just blowing up Will's game and walking away from it all and leaving Will in the mess :joker: I cannot WAIT until Will goes btw.


Also, seemed even more emotional than usual.
It was crazy emotional :bawling: I think it was mostly because of Adam.

LMFAO Adam saving the day with his crotch idol :joker:
:lovedup:

Also, I saw some humor in Zeke earlier on but expected more of a full-on comedy character from him.
Same, in the premiere I recall really liking him (and the beginning of his and Adam's alliance) and he was like 2nd in my rankings but he never lived up to that night. He wasn't loyal to anyone and I like to see some loyalty (which is why I love the #Kavid alliance so much as it's genuine :love:) but Zeke just flipped and wasn't particularly fun or entertaining with it.

[rk3388]

Ken blowing up Will's game AND his own and being so nonchalant about it :joker:

[MB.]

Ken only agreeing to work with people whose souls his can align with <3

[caprimint]

Ken only agreeing to work with people whose souls his can align with <3
:love:

Every time he speaks it's literally so much more in depth than any of the others. He's way ahead of them all in his own mind and looks. :flutter:

[Calderyon]

These two last episodes have been great imo. All of the last three voting offs have been quite spot on. Chris was...meh, Jessica was a wreck and Zeke was becoming annoying.

Although Sunday, Brett and Will have definitely overstayed their welcome.

[Jack_]

This episode was okay, I liked Zeke but if it makes David any safer (yet to be known) then I'm happy for him to leave

[LukeB]

Has Hannah won yet?

[Macie Lightfoot]

no because David is WINNING

[Jack_]

As a side note, Macie would it be alright if you put edgic posts that pertain to the winner in spoiler tags? If it's as accurate as last season I'd rather not see them :laugh:

ahem

Even if that is music to my ears

[JerseyWins]

Here's my thoughts for next episode:

(in spoiler tag because it's based off of the preview for next week)

I was gonna make a specific prediction but basically... I just don't see Will going next episode and not even just because they made it look too obvious in the preview. Jay/Bret/Sunday need Will back with them so I don't see them willingly taking him out and being at a 4-3 disadvantage, especially with Will wanting to take out David according to the preview. I could see them telling Will what David's side wants to do and then possibly using Jay's idol on a 4-4 vote. On the other side of things... David's alliance could lead them in that direction and then actually take out someone else like Bret (maybe even Jay) and try to get Jay to flush the idol (which he may or may not do). Like I kinda find it hard to believe they would say who they're trying to take out when they know Jay has an idol and Will is basically Jay's closest ally. Idk how much would change after last TC but I'd think Jay's still on Will's side, especially if Will wants David out next.

Maybe the tribe dynamics aren't as divided as I think and they all actually take out Will as a unit but I expect this to be a case of two divided sides with one side outsmarting the other, if not both sides trying to outsmart each other leading to some kind of train wreck (again) right before tribal. :joker:

[MB.]

On second thoughts, Adam blatantly stole the idea of a crotch idol from Rohan in Ausvivor and should thus be ashamed of himself

[Macie Lightfoot]

Double boot this week so things are going to be suuuuper rushed. Just what we need, another episode where everyone is just going through the motions and there's no time for character development! Can't wait for this season to end.

[MB.]

As in another double episode or two boots in the space of an hour?

[Macie Lightfoot]

Two in one hour, I'm pretty sure. First time since the Vytas/Tina boots in BvW.

[MB.]

yuck

[LukeB]

I'm 50/50 with this season.If Hannah and Ken go then I'm done.

[Calderyon]

Two boots in 1 hour? That´s going to be tight, probably meaning two predictable people going. Sunday & Brett to go back to back?

Jay´s idol complicates that scenario, but i think he´ll win immunity again. Or they hide another idol and either Adam or David finds it? Or Hannah?

[Macie Lightfoot]

I just think it's a really flat season that's been going through the motions and has been very bland and generic this whole time. Someone on another forum made the comparison that this season was produced on a factory line and they checked off all the boxes for What Survivor Should Have, but then they forgot to add any pizzazz to it so it's really just an empty skeleton. Likes, sure you could say that there's interesting strategy and Big Moves, but how am I supposed to be invested in a rock draw or an idol play when so little has been done to make me invested in the characters? And then with the editing like... is Adam a sympathetic character with a sick mother or is he an obnoxious gamebot that's annoying everyone? Is David a paranoid outcast or a kingpin strategist? Is Ken the All-American golden boy who everyone loves and cherishes or is he actually absurdly sanctimonious and off-putting to everyone around him? The edit's been pretty inconsistent with the people who have been featured, but then they still ignored like half of the cast. Who is CeCe? Michelle? Sunday? Jessica? Will? Lucy? Chris? It's just a really beige season so I guess Kaoh Rong was a fluke :3

[Macie Lightfoot]

Two boots in 1 hour? That´s going to be tight, probably meaning two predictable people going. Sunday & Brett to go back to back?

Jay´s idol complicates that scenario, but i think he´ll win immunity again. Or they hide another idol and either Adam or David finds it? Or Hannah?

There's no way Will isn't one of the two boots after that preview. He's gonna get Christy'd, my guess would be in the first half. NTOS hasn't tried to hide anything this season.

[Calderyon]

^ Would they make it that obvious though? Cause that preview is like them building a big neon sign to the island saying: "Will is the next one to go".

[Macie Lightfoot]

That's pretty much what they did to Zeke this week though. And Lucy way back when. And even Chris getting some focus after Taylor's boot was a bit of an indication.

IDK, I'd love to be wrong but I don't think this season has been very imaginative in many aspects.

[Headie]

Yeah it's one of the most predictable seasons ever in terms of episode boots.

Ironically I still have no idea who's gonna win. I'm guessing Jay at this point.

[rk3388]

I think Jay as well- MAYBE Hannah
I can not see Sunday, Brett, Will or Adam winning

[caprimint]

Adam winning would be so beautiful, such a journey :flutter:

At this point I'm thinking Jay will win with an outside chance of it being David or Ken.

[MB.]

David and Jay are the only two with a strong enough edit; Jay'll come in fourth and David will win over Hannah and Ken

You heard it here first and probably last

[rk3388]

Adam winning would be the best outcome ever ughh

And I've been enjoying the season! Every season has a few duds in casting - I saw Khaoh Rong mentioned but did that season not have Neal, Anna, Julia, Joe and MICHELE

[MB.]

Also Adam is not winning and if he did it would not be beautiful

[MB.]

Also also the only dud in Kaoh Rong is Anna, that's it

[caprimint]

Adam winning would be the best outcome ever ughh

And I've been enjoying the season! Every season has a few duds in casting - I saw Khaoh Rong mentioned but did that season not have Neal, Anna, Julia, Joe and MICHELE
I'd be almost as happy for Adam to win as Ken, they're very close top 2 favourites for me. I'd be pretty happy with it being David too and even Jay to some extent (I can at least respect his game).

Also Adam is not winning and if he did it would not be beautiful
It'd be pretty emotionally fulfilling for him to win and see his reaction :love:

[rk3388]

Also also the only dud in Kaoh Rong is Anna, that's it

Neal.... ???

[Macie Lightfoot]

David and Jay are the only two with a strong enough edit; Jay'll come in fourth and David will win over Hannah and Ken

You heard it here first and probably last

Mhmm. It's David.

Adam winning would be the best outcome ever ughh

And I've been enjoying the season! Every season has a few duds in casting - I saw Khaoh Rong mentioned but did that season not have Neal, Anna, Julia, Joe and MICHELE

I'll give you maybe Neal and Anna. But compare that to Rachel, Mari, Paul, Lucy, CeCe, Michelle, Chris, Jessica, Will, Sunday, and honestly even Zeke despite production desperately trying to make him A Big Character and it's not even close.

[MB.]

Neal.... ???

Justified Michele's win with the "suckling on the teat" comment, random blood feud with Peter, nearly tanked Aubry's game by getting medevac'd but instead allowed her to control the entire post-merge, etc

[MB.]

Also the most forgettable Kaoh Rong-er is probably Liz, and even then she had the whole Fishbach-hand-picked-winner-tip-to-malfunctioning-robot-third-boot-crying-over-water thing going on <3

[reece(:]

Lizbot <3
Joe <3
Anna <3

[MB.]

Don't <3 alt-right Anna

[reece(:]

I love Laura M besides her crazy views so I don't take that into account!

[JerseyWins]

Sure there's some characters that have gotten no character development but I still think there's plenty that have and they typically get their air time and make things entertaining. They've kinda had each episode dedicated to like 1-2 people but it's usually different people. Last episode was Will/David & kinda Ken (at the end at least). There are then a few that are very involved in almost every episode (Adam/David/Jay/Hannah in particular come to mind).

Most episodes have had a blindside/betrayal and to add to that there's been numerous idol plays, drawing rocks and both some really great & really sloppy gameplay highlighted in the episodes.

I don't think it's been predictable either. Most of the time it can go either way at TC. :shrug:

This is a reeeeally good season.

[reece(:]

It's a bottom four season!

[JerseyWins]

^ Noooo! A+ lots of action

Also, random but I guess I could see Will going if Bret/Sunday are highly against him after he turned and/or Jay isn't willing to make a play with his idol.

Also #2, I reeeeally hope Jay wins but I'd be happy or okay with a bunch of people winning. I don't expect Jay to win though only because it's unlikely they let him get far when ALL of the other side have already said he needs to go. He'd need to have a really good sense for when to play his idol and then I guess he could always win his way there.

Everyone besides Bret/Sunday/Will have a shot I think. But I do agree that David is most likely to win.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Sure there's some characters that have gotten no character development but I still think there's plenty that have and they typically get their air time and make things entertaining. They've kinda had each episode dedicated to like 1-2 people but it's usually different people. Last episode was Will/David & kinda Ken (at the end at least). There are then a few that are very involved in almost every episode (Adam/David/Jay/Hannah in particular come to mind).

Most episodes have had a blindside/betrayal and to add to that there's been numerous idol plays, drawing rocks and both some really great & really sloppy gameplay highlighted in the episodes.

I don't think it's been predictable either. Most of the time it can go either way at TC. :shrug:

This is a reeeeally good season.

The things you highlight in your second paragraph would be great if they actually took the time to flesh out characters but they seriously did an atrocious job at that. Not just a bad job, but a truly atrocious, Cook Islands/Fiji-esque job. Just looking at who made the merge, we didn't really get to know Michelle, Chris, or Jessica at all, and we still don't really know Sunday or Will. Bret can be reduced to "alcoholic cop who *gasp* is gay," Adam to "his mom has cancer," Zeke to "we're bringing him back next season so remember him," and then Ken, who on paper is probably the most complex character of the whole season, was edited out of the merge until this past episode. That's like 70% of the people who made the merge.

I don't think this season is bottom 5, but I'm certainly not on board with Reddit jerking themselves off to this season and acting like it's the best in years (better than Kaoh Rong) just because they drew rocks at F10. As of right now I'd probably rank it 26/33.

[caprimint]

Re: the editing, I don't think it's been great (I haven't got loads to compare to, only the past few seasons) but I also don't think it's been any worse than usual particularly? There are always people you get to know less than others - maybe because they are not so interesting/relevant to the game or the main events of the season that they want to focus on, it's the same as in Big Brother/TAR or whatever.

Macie you brought up the point of "am I supposed to think Adam is a gamebot or feel sympathetic?" etc, but isn't that the whole point of an edit? It's actually refreshing to see different sides to these people rather than it being shoved in your face about how you're supposed to feel (like it often is on these shows from my experience).

[JerseyWins]

Macie you brought up the point of "am I supposed to think Adam is a gamebot or feel sympathetic?" etc, but isn't that the whole point of an edit? It's actually refreshing to see different sides to these people rather than it being shoved in your face about how you're supposed to feel (like it often is on these shows from my experience).
Yeah agreed, I was gonna mention this too but forgot. Although I guess they're not doing this with too many characters. I think they're just struggling to fit some people in the edit when certain characters have a lot going on.

Other characters also don't have one-beat personalities either. Just like with Adam, we're getting to see multiple sides of a decent amount of the people actually. We've seen the game side and the drunk side of Bret, we've seen a couple different sides of Jay, Michaela, Ken, David's transformation, etc. They showed more of Rachel than they do with a lot of first boots. Jessica was used as just some kind of wacky character with bulging eyes but I mean she had her air time.

My only real problem with the edit is they're just throwing certain scenarios/people into the mix out of nowhere (like the Sunday/Jessica feud or Will being completely invisible and then just coming out of nowhere). Overall, I don't really think the character development is that far off from other seasons, they just have a couple big characters (or who the show wants to be big) that they're showcasing more.

EDIT: Although even Will being invisible makes sense with the story they're portraying: Will suddenly wanting to be viewed as a player and getting power hungry because he feels like he hasn't been included and making decisions.

[caprimint]

Yeah agreed, I was gonna mention this too but forgot. Although I guess they're not doing this with too many characters. I think they're just struggling to fit some people in the edit when certain characters have a lot going on.

Other characters also don't have one-beat personalities either. Just like with Adam, we're getting to see multiple sides of a decent amount of the people actually. We've seen the game side and the drunk side of Bret, we've seen a couple different sides of Jay, Michaela, Ken, David's transformation, etc. They showed more of Rachel than they do with a lot of first boots. Jessica was used as just some kind of wacky character with bulging eyes but I mean she had her air time.

My only real problem with the edit is they're just throwing certain scenarios/people into the mix out of nowhere (like the Sunday/Jessica feud or Will being completely invisible and then just coming out of nowhere). Overall, I don't really think the character development is that far off from other seasons, they just have a couple big characters (or who the show wants to be big) that they're showcasing more.

EDIT: Although even Will being invisible makes sense with the story they're portraying: Will suddenly wanting to be viewed as a player and getting power hungry because he feels like he hasn't been included and making decisions.
:clap2:

All of this is put across perfectly.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Re: the editing, I don't think it's been great (I haven't got loads to compare to, only the past few seasons) but I also don't think it's been any worse than usual particularly? There are always people you get to know less than others - maybe because they are not so interesting/relevant to the game or the main events of the season that they want to focus on, it's the same as in Big Brother/TAR or whatever.

Macie you brought up the point of "am I supposed to think Adam is a gamebot or feel sympathetic?" etc, but isn't that the whole point of an edit? It's actually refreshing to see different sides to these people rather than it being shoved in your face about how you're supposed to feel (like it often is on these shows from my experience).

I think there's a huge difference between getting to know some people less than others and not getting to know some people at all. I absolutely expect to get to know some people less than others, but I still expect to get to know everyone to a certain degree. I don't feel like I know many people in this cast at all (less than half for sure), and I wouldn't care to see many of them (possibly any of them?) again in a future season.

And as for wondering whether I'm supposed to find Adam annoying as **** or see him as a sympathetic figure, my issue with his edit in particular is that it really isn't crafted well at all in terms of consistency. Adam's whole arc was a narrator at first, then an overload of sympathy when he found his HII bc of his mom, then basically everyone on the island out of nowhere agreeing that he's annoying as ****, and then back to sympathy like nothing happened. That... is not good storytelling at all lol, and it's like the editors are trying to give us severe whiplash with how drastic and spontaneous these changes are. I definitely agree that characters should be presented as multifaceted and conflicted when possible, but it's the editors' job to present it organically. Tai had a similar path of adorable fan favorite to ruthless strategist with a burning desire to win, but his story actually made sense in the context of the season and was edited well. Adam's... was not. Just like how Ken went from golden boy All-American hero to invisibore to someone who is painfully grating to everyone else around him. Ken's negativity at the end of last episode all came without warning, but if the exit interviews are any indication it's not like they didn't have footage from the first few episodes that could've shown this side to him.

Yeah agreed, I was gonna mention this too but forgot. Although I guess they're not doing this with too many characters. I think they're just struggling to fit some people in the edit when certain characters have a lot going on.

Other characters also don't have one-beat personalities either. Just like with Adam, we're getting to see multiple sides of a decent amount of the people actually. We've seen the game side and the drunk side of Bret, we've seen a couple different sides of Jay, Michaela, Ken, David's transformation, etc. They showed more of Rachel than they do with a lot of first boots. Jessica was used as just some kind of wacky character with bulging eyes but I mean she had her air time.

My only real problem with the edit is they're just throwing certain scenarios/people into the mix out of nowhere (like the Sunday/Jessica feud or Will being completely invisible and then just coming out of nowhere). Overall, I don't really think the character development is that far off from other seasons, they just have a couple big characters (or who the show wants to be big) that they're showcasing more.

EDIT: Although even Will being invisible makes sense with the story they're portraying: Will suddenly wanting to be viewed as a player and getting power hungry because he feels like he hasn't been included and making decisions.

I'm not really sure what the game side of Bret is still but sure. Michaela I'll give you, Jay kind of, Ken yes and no for reasons outlined above, David sure kind of, but Rachel... lmfao no. I'm trying to think of a first boot more inconsequential than Rachel but I'm seriously struggling. Kourtney from One World I guess? Then I'd have to go back to Fiji? Rachel doesn't even feel like she was on the show and she's actually a perfect of example of the predictability that has plagued this season. She was hidden until we got one scene at camp that's purpose was to make us think "wow, this girl's annoying," and then she was voted off because she was annoying and not included in the initial alliance. I don't think it's humanly possible to have an opinion on Rachel, unless you're one of those people who blindly stans Asian women and was mourning her loss, and then mourned Mari's loss one week later even though she too was a nobody.

[caprimint]

I think there's a huge difference between getting to know some people less than others and not getting to know some people at all. I absolutely expect to get to know some people less than others, but I still expect to get to know everyone to a certain degree. I don't feel like I know many people in this cast at all (less than half for sure), and I wouldn't care to see many of them (possibly any of them?) again in a future season.

And as for wondering whether I'm supposed to find Adam annoying as **** or see him as a sympathetic figure, my issue with his edit in particular is that it really isn't crafted well at all in terms of consistency. Adam's whole arc was a narrator at first, then an overload of sympathy when he found his HII bc of his mom, then basically everyone on the island out of nowhere agreeing that he's annoying as ****, and then back to sympathy like nothing happened. That... is not good storytelling at all lol, and it's like the editors are trying to give us severe whiplash with how drastic and spontaneous these changes are. I definitely agree that characters should be presented as multifaceted and conflicted when possible, but it's the editors' job to present it organically. Tai had a similar path of adorable fan favorite to ruthless strategist with a burning desire to win, but his story actually made sense in the context of the season and was edited well. Adam's... was not. Just like how Ken went from golden boy All-American hero to invisibore to someone who is painfully grating to everyone else around him. Ken's negativity at the end of last episode all came without warning, but if the exit interviews are any indication it's not like they didn't have footage from the first few episodes that could've shown this side to him.
The only one I feel like we don't really know as a person at this point is Sunday. She hasn't really appeared to contribute a whole lot to the main events that have happened either, so I'm guessing that's why she hasn't been focused on. Seems to me as though she's just Bret's follower and she's always been more of a 'background' character which exist in every season anyway.

I see your point there and I don't disagree that the dynamics haven't been made clear. I guess it's just hard to make time for all of these things when putting an edit together (tracking all points of a relationship between people, attempting to show the majority of them at least once in an hour episode/confessionals, group dynamics/vote shifts, idol searches, immunity/reward challenges, TC etc). Amongst all of the gameplay editing I think some of their personalities get lost. I suppose I just don't think overall that it deserves to be dragged more than any other season because you always get this to a certain degree.

[JerseyWins]

I think there's a huge difference between getting to know some people less than others and not getting to know some people at all. I absolutely expect to get to know some people less than others, but I still expect to get to know everyone to a certain degree. I don't feel like I know many people in this cast at all (less than half for sure), and I wouldn't care to see many of them (possibly any of them?) again in a future season.

And as for wondering whether I'm supposed to find Adam annoying as **** or see him as a sympathetic figure, my issue with his edit in particular is that it really isn't crafted well at all in terms of consistency. Adam's whole arc was a narrator at first, then an overload of sympathy when he found his HII bc of his mom, then basically everyone on the island out of nowhere agreeing that he's annoying as ****, and then back to sympathy like nothing happened. That... is not good storytelling at all lol, and it's like the editors are trying to give us severe whiplash with how drastic and spontaneous these changes are. I definitely agree that characters should be presented as multifaceted and conflicted when possible, but it's the editors' job to present it organically. Tai had a similar path of adorable fan favorite to ruthless strategist with a burning desire to win, but his story actually made sense in the context of the season and was edited well. Adam's... was not. Just like how Ken went from golden boy All-American hero to invisibore to someone who is painfully grating to everyone else around him. Ken's negativity at the end of last episode all came without warning, but if the exit interviews are any indication it's not like they didn't have footage from the first few episodes that could've shown this side to him.

I'm not really sure what the game side of Bret is still but sure. Michaela I'll give you, Jay kind of, Ken yes and no for reasons outlined above, David sure kind of, but Rachel... lmfao no. I'm trying to think of a first boot more inconsequential than Rachel but I'm seriously struggling. Kourtney from One World I guess? Then I'd have to go back to Fiji? Rachel doesn't even feel like she was on the show and she's actually a perfect of example of the predictability that has plagued this season. She was hidden until we got one scene at camp that's purpose was to make us think "wow, this girl's annoying," and then she was voted off because she was annoying and not included in the initial alliance. I don't think it's humanly possible to have an opinion on Rachel, unless you're one of those people who blindly stans Asian women and was mourning her loss, and then mourned Mari's loss one week later even though she too was a nobody.
Just last season I think Darnell was less relevant than Rachel leading to his boot. :shrug: His character was like a good guy who messed up at the challenge.

Other than that I see your points and fair enough.

I guess I still really like the season because I don't mind not getting to know the characters that much. I love the gameplay in these shows like Big Brother & Survivor and if we see that and a lot of craziness involved (those things I listed in my last post) then I'm highly entertained as long as I can get behind a couple of people which I've been able to do. Some of my favorites (Jay/Hannah/David/Ken) are all getting really good, lengthy air time / edits on the show (Ken became irrelevant for a few episodes but still) and that's what I really care about. Same with some of the people who were booted that I liked.

There's been PLENTY of Survivor seasons where literally one majority group takes down the other side in the most predictable fashion with maybe like one shift in power even through an entire season sometimes. At least about 5-10 Survivor seasons have played out in that exact way either pre-merge, post-merge or even both. There's been power shifts on this season since before the merge and things have only gotten wilder after the merge. We're at 8 people left now and there's still been no one consistently in power. I'll take a season like this that has some poor character development any day.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Time for this bull****.

[JerseyWins]

I don't exactly like this new potential alliance but this episode is already off to a hot start.

[Jack_]

Time for this bull****.

:joker:

[JerseyWins]

Yessss Jay :clap1:

[JerseyWins]

Yeah Will just sucks confirmed

[Macie Lightfoot]

goodbye Will goodbye

[Macie Lightfoot]

wow I'm glad that hasn't been the obvious conclusion ever since we saw last week's Next Time on Survivor preview!

[Macie Lightfoot]

Prediction for the second half boot... Bret?

[JerseyWins]

Jay needs to stop trying to work with Adam. :joker:

[Macie Lightfoot]

lmfao Adam's so ****ing shameless

[JerseyWins]

Ugh I reeeeally hope it's not Jay.

[JerseyWins]

I'm assuming he'd use his idol though so I'm guessing they end up splitting the vote between Jay & Bret and Bret goes? Cause I don't expect to see David going either.

[JerseyWins]

This would suck if Jay doesn't use the idol and goes.

[Macie Lightfoot]

sooooooo did Sunday speak at all tonight? In a double TC episode nonetheless? In her ****ing boot episode nonetheless?!?!?!

[JerseyWins]

Well, that was random. Best possible result though. David & Jay both remain and all the big players are still in for that matter. :clap1: I REALLY want Jay to turn on Adam now.

[Jack_]

welp I assumed the finale was on the 21st

Anyway this was a rushed mess, the editors obviously thought 'okay let's get rid of the fodder in a quick episode', I much prefer the two hour nights

[Macie Lightfoot]

welp I assumed the finale was on the 21st

Anyway this was a rushed mess, the editors obviously thought 'okay let's get rid of the fodder in a quick episode', I much prefer the two hour nights

They also totally ****ed up the pacing of this season by having 20 people, no double boot nights (having only one of three tribes win an Immunity Challenge would've been perfect to cull down numbers before the swap. Like, having 9 people at the family visit on Day 30 was just insanely pointless and it made me feel claustrophobic.

Anyway, I couldn't tell you anything that happened this episode just now. Boring like the rest of the season.

[JerseyWins]

That episode was pretty eventful and at the end all the biggest characters remained so there's going to be a lot of material for the finale end-game. The episode definitely felt rushed and cluttered because of that but I feel like with two random-ish boots these wouldn't have been very entertaining to use as full episodes.

[Jack_]

I was wondering, when they do episodes like this without reward challenges, does that mean they planned it that way and didn't actually do them, or they just chose to omit them from the edit due to time constraints?

[JerseyWins]

Yeah idk that's a good question.

Although whether the cast actually still does them or not, I think they always stop showing reward challenges at the end of the season? Or is that just during finales since there's only like 4-5 people anyway? I don't really pay much attention to the reward challenges and prefer when they don't have reward challenges anyway.

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Ugh hope jay wins now. David win is way to obvious though :(

At least hannah is the most pathetic goat the show has seen in a while. The jury will eat her alive.

[rk3388]

ehhh I think it was her move to take out Sunday which wasn't BAD. I'm hoping Jay is out next so Adam can win this thing :D

Have a gut feeling Jay will win - looking back when the "cool group" got horrible edits bar Jay I should have realized they didn't want people to hate the winner

[DrunkerThanMoses]

ehhh I think it was her move to take out Sunday which wasn't BAD. I'm hoping Jay is out next so Adam can win this thing :D

Have a gut feeling Jay will win - looking back when the "cool group" got horrible edits bar Jay I should have realized they didn't want people to hate the winner

Hannah wanted her gone because Sunday was taking her ftc goat spot. :joker:

[AarynGriesfan]

I am glad that the 2 most boring / irrelevant characters got voted out in the same episode. That didn't make the episode good but it did spare us from 2 really bad episodes in a row.

[starry]

Hannah wanted her gone because Sunday was taking her ftc goat spot. :joker:

The goat spot she's worked so hard for in her words, now there's a contradiction.

I just think she trusts David more than some of those others, Brett may have been a better target though as I doubt she has connections with him either. She is last woman standing so I guess that's a victory for her.




I think I heard in the past that they don't always show reward challenges and in earlier episodes that makes sense, depends on what they have for each episode. Though towards the end they may well stop doing them. Though it did feel kind of rushed putting two eliminations in one episode.

So refreshing not to have balancing strength immunities all the time, unlike what they did in a recent season and the AU one.

[JerseyWins]

I could see David, Adam or Jay winning. Jay's chances would be better if he still had his idol though. Ken has a shot too but not as good. Bret/Hannah would be long shots but I'm not completely ruling them out either. I think there's a lot of ways this F6 could go but at this point I think/hope it'll go in favor of either David or Jay in the end.

[starry]

I didn't like Adam helping Ken at the individual immunity. I really hope we don't see more of that when they do puzzle challenges. The only other time I remember that happening was on a redemption island edition when they were trying to get Ozzie out, didn't like that either.

[Macie Lightfoot]

why are you so against people colluding and helping each other in Challenges starry?

also, I'm mobile but Probat has an interview that came out where he loses his sanity rambling about how you need to make BIG MOVES to win and if you're not willing to do then just go home. And he *still* begrudgingly complains about Michele being a Survivor winner lmfao

[Macie Lightfoot]

As promised...

ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: Such fascinating talk this week at both Tribal Councils about the need to make big moves to pad your résumé, but then also how those big moves then make you an immediate target. So how, as a player moving forward in future seasons, do you avoid that deadly catch-22?
JEFF PROBST: You don’t. You wanna win? You have to stand up and play. If you look at a list of the most recent winners: Jeremy Collins, Mike Holloway, Natalie Anderson, Tony Vlachos, Tyson Apostol, John Cochran, Denise Stapley, Kim Spradlin — all of them were game changers. They were willing to make risky moves to further their game. Sometimes it pays off, sometimes it doesn’t. Your question is the one that messes everybody up — you can’t be the best player if you’re not playing.
Yes, it’s a bit of a catch-22 but that’s the game. I sometimes hear from Survivor bloggers that I “say things like this so that people will make big moves.” To those critics I say, “When you’re ready to get off your ass and actually play, call me.” The format of Survivor is the star of the show. It works. The game has evolved because of the gameplay and that comes from the players. I’m not saying you can’t win by playing a somewhat quiet game — Michelle did that last season — but the overwhelming majority of recent winners have earned their votes by playing hard. Next question.

Jeff naming eight of the last nine winners, all except for Michele :rolleyes: Not to mention, like... what big moves did Jeremy make? Mike? Tyson? Cochran? Denise? Kim? Literally only Natalie and Tony fit the BIG MOVEZ bill, which is so ****ing nauseating and really just proving that Jeff has no real understanding as to How Survivor Works.

[Calderyon]

Wow. They really made Will´s elimination that obvious. Although i did enjoy it. Really liked Sunday going second as she had overstayed her welcome way, way before. As far as the winner goes, it seems to either Adam or David, with Hannah an outside chance. Jay will probably be out just before the final three. Brett and Ken won´t win this as they have not done enough to warrant it, but one of them is a prime candidate to be in the final three.

[BBUKAUSFAN]

Fingers crossed we have the survivor auction as the next reward challenge, here for Jay stealing the advantage from Adam because we all know he is gonna wait and buy it , then for jay to take out the next immunity win to take his spot in the final 5.