Marco taking all the blame for the Marco/Laura thing

[Vanessa]

And Laura getting away with it scott free : the poor little innocent victim of big bad Marco :bored:

I do think he could be a fantastic housemate if he calmed down, but he needs to stay away from Laura.

[Speedster]

Laura, laura, laura. She's such a bad influence isn't she? all he wants is to "have fun" and he's "just horny" and just "young" so that's ok. But Laura? no,no,no she -made- him fancy her, she -made- him pull her t shirt up and suck her nipple, it's not his fault how he behaves,it's not his responsibility to control himself nooooo he's horny (so that's ok) he just wants to have fun (so that's ok) he's just young (so that's ok) he doesn't need to think about how he's making his fiance look or how she feels. No-that's not his responsibility at all.

When Laura leaves, sorry I mean gets evicted on friday to a s*** storm of boos (because marco) and he moves on to use/play with/ wreck another female h.m's experience in the house (probably Emma) I wonder what excuses people will come up with for his behaviour then, what about the time after that.

[Vanessa]

She said it was just kissing and cuddling. Yeah right, then what the hell were they doing under the covers? :nono: wasn't just kissing.

[Niamh.]

Laura, laura, laura. She's such a bad influence isn't she? all he wants is to "have fun" and he's "just horny" and just "young" so that's ok. But Laura? no,no,no she -made- him fancy her, she -made- him pull her t shirt up and suck her nipple, it's not his fault how he behaves,it's not his responsibility to control himself nooooo he's horny (so that's ok) he just wants to have fun (so that's ok) he's just young (so that's ok) he doesn't need to think about how he's making his fiance look or how she feels. No-that's not his responsibility at all.

When Laura leaves, sorry I mean gets evicted on friday to a s*** storm of boos (because marco) and he moves on to use/play with/ wreck another female h.m's experience in the house (probably Emma) I wonder what excuses people will come up with for his behaviour then, what about the time after that.

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[Niamh.]

She said it was just kissing and cuddling. Yeah right, then what the hell were they doing under the covers? :nono: wasn't just kissing.

what has that got to do with anything?

[Vanessa]

what has that got to do with anything?

She's saying nothing happened when we all saw it did. I think she's backtracking because she knows it looks bad.
I just think he would be better if he was away from her. That's why I wanted him to go to the Other House.

[Headie]

There's no point in any of us responding to this thread IMO since you seem hellbent on defending Marco and shifting the blame on to other housemates when he is clearly in the wrong. You'll never stop supporting him so there's nothing we can say or agree on.

[DrunkerThanMoses]

At this rate I can see him being evicted over Laura on Firday if he keeps this up

[Niamh.]

She's saying nothing happened when we all saw it did. I think she's backtracking because she knows it looks bad.
I just think he would be better if he was away from her. That's why I wanted him to go to the Other House.

so what if she's saying nothing happened, how is that bad for marco in any way, I don't get this point at all

[Denver]

I think Trump could be a great president if he calms down

[Vanessa]

so what if she's saying nothing happened, how is that bad for marco in any way, I don't get this point at all

It's a lie.

[Speedster]

She said it was just kissing and cuddling. Yeah right, then what the hell were they doing under the covers? :nono: wasn't just kissing.


Very fair comment BUT. Whatever they were doing HE was THERE too but Laura is taking the LION'S SHARE of the blame.

[Kazanne]

Laura, laura, laura. She's such a bad influence isn't she? all he wants is to "have fun" and he's "just horny" and just "young" so that's ok. But Laura? no,no,no she -made- him fancy her, she -made- him pull her t shirt up and suck her nipple, it's not his fault how he behaves,it's not his responsibility to control himself nooooo he's horny (so that's ok) he just wants to have fun (so that's ok) he's just young (so that's ok) he doesn't need to think about how he's making his fiance look or how she feels. No-that's not his responsibility at all.

When Laura leaves, sorry I mean gets evicted on friday to a s*** storm of boos (because marco) and he moves on to use/play with/ wreck another female h.m's experience in the house (probably Emma) I wonder what excuses people will come up with for his behaviour then, what about the time after that.

Er,lets be fair here when Marco did those things you claim like pulling her tee shirt up I didn't see her stopping him,she loved it ,so Vanessa is just doing what you are doing defending a housemate they like.His fiancé and his relationship is outside stuff and how they want to live is not our problem,you talk as though the other female housemates are wall flowers and will be forced to flirt with Marco,why have so little faith in them ?:hee:

[Niamh.]

It's a lie.

so what if it is though, maybe she doesn't want to tell the whole house exactly what went on under the covers? Why does that reflect badly on marco? And why must she tell everyone every detail idgi?

[Cal.]

Laura, laura, laura. She's such a bad influence isn't she? all he wants is to "have fun" and he's "just horny" and just "young" so that's ok. But Laura? no,no,no she -made- him fancy her, she -made- him pull her t shirt up and suck her nipple, it's not his fault how he behaves,it's not his responsibility to control himself nooooo he's horny (so that's ok) he just wants to have fun (so that's ok) he's just young (so that's ok) he doesn't need to think about how he's making his fiance look or how she feels. No-that's not his responsibility at all.

When Laura leaves, sorry I mean gets evicted on friday to a s*** storm of boos (because marco) and he moves on to use/play with/ wreck another female h.m's experience in the house (probably Emma) I wonder what excuses people will come up with for his behaviour then, what about the time after that.

:clap1:

[Vanessa]

so what if it is though, maybe she doesn't want to tell the whole house exactly what went on under the covers? Why does that reflect badly on marco? And why must she tell everyone every detail idgi?

I prefer people being honest and upfront, that's all.

[Kazanne]

:clap1:

Can someone tell me when Marco forced himself on laura ? they were BOTH consenting in whatever went on she said she wanted him to eff her hard,he fancies her ,she fancies him,I see no blame on either side:shrug:

[TomC]

He may be odd, but he's not nasty or malicious. The only time we have seen him kick off is when the Others came in. The rest of the time he has been fine. And he's not bitchy or two faced. I wish they had sent him to the Other House, because he needs to stay away from Laura. And yes, get a drink on her and she will go back to him. :laugh:

I am all for people having their own opinions, but you seem deliberately blind to what he's done.

He absolutely has been nasty and malicious: his behaviour on Friday night was atrocious, threatening violence and squaring up to someone who had been in the house for all of ten minutes. And he was bitching about Georgina when she was annoyed about the microphone thing. You can't judge on what we haven't seen, because we don't know what hasn't been aired, we can only base opinions on what we have seen.

Why is Laura to blame for this? He seems to be quite physically forceful, and she's made a number of attempts to back away now.

[Niamh.]

I prefer people being honest and upfront, that's all.

About their sex lives though?

[Vanessa]

About their sex lives though?

She said nothing happened which is ridiculous.

[Vanessa]

Can someone tell me when Marco forced himself on laura ? they were BOTH consenting in whatever went on she said she wanted him to eff her hard,he fancies her ,she fancies him,I see no blame on either side:shrug:

Ridiculous that people say Marco forced Laura to be with him. When she keeps saying she will **** him on the outside. :crazy:

[Niamh.]

She said nothing happened which is ridiculous.

You didn't answer the question Vanessa, you want people to be upfront and honest about their sex lives? It's really no ones business, if she doesn't want to share all the details I will give her leeway about stuff like that. I don't know why you're annoyed about it or think her saying nothing happened paints Marco in a bad light, surely her saying nothing happened paints him in a betters light if anything?

[Vanessa]

I am all for people having their own opinions, but you seem deliberately blind to what he's done.

He absolutely has been nasty and malicious: his behaviour on Friday night was atrocious, threatening violence and squaring up to someone who had been in the house for all of ten minutes. And he was bitching about Georgina when she was annoyed about the microphone thing. You can't judge on what we haven't seen, because we don't know what hasn't been aired, we can only base opinions on what we have seen.

Why is Laura to blame for this? He seems to be quite physically forceful, and she's made a number of attempts to back away now.

She was very willing and no one forced her. Last night she told Marco she only wanted to be friends and he respected that.

[TomC]

She said nothing happened which is ridiculous.

Perhaps she doesn't remember? Why should she have to tell people anyway?

[TomC]

She was very willing and no one forced her. Last night she told Marco she only wanted to be friends and he respected that.

By saying 'and we can **** all the time when we get out' when the hall pass was supposed to only be for BB?

[Speedster]

Er,lets be fair here when Marco did those things you claim like pulling her tee shirt up I didn't see her stopping him,she loved it ,so Vanessa is just doing what you are doing defending a housemate they like.His fiancé and his relationship is outside stuff and how they want to live is not our problem,you talk as though the other female housemates are wall flowers and will be forced to flirt with Marco,why have so little faith in them ?:hee:

I think she didn't stop him because she didn't know he was going to do it-it was quick. I know his relationship outside is nothing to do with us, I just think it'd be an issue if the genders were reversed and I think he should consider how this makes her feel.

I don't think the female h.ms are going to be forced to flirt with him at all, but while he's "just having fun" "just horny" they're "making him look bad" "just want his money", "are acting like bunny boilers/slappers".

My point is this is all one sided with marco as the innocent one and Laura as the villain.

[Vanessa]

You didn't answer the question Vanessa, you want people to be upfront and honest about their sex lives? It's really no ones business, if she doesn't want to share all the details I will give her leeway about stuff like that. I don't know why you're annoyed about it or think her saying nothing happened paints Marco in a bad light, surely her saying nothing happened paints him in a betters light if anything?

Let's forget it. We're going round in circles.

[Kazanne]

I think she didn't stop him because she didn't know he was going to do it-it was quick. I know his relationship outside is nothing to do with us, I just think it'd be an issue if the genders were reversed and I think he should consider how this makes her feel.

I don't think the female h.ms are going to be forced to flirt with him at all, but while he's "just having fun" "just horny" they're "making him look bad" "just want his money", "are acting like bunny boilers/slappers".

My point is this is all one sided with marco as the innocent one and Laura as the villain.

Oh please just stop,the hatred of Marco is ridiculous now,she loved it there was NO sign from her for him to stop,and how is Marco portrayed as the innocent one he is the one everyone is hating on because of it,but it's made me like him more as it's pretty unfair,they are both sex mad tarts,simple as.

[Vanessa]

I think she didn't stop him because she didn't know he was going to do it-it was quick. I know his relationship outside is nothing to do with us, I just think it'd be an issue if the genders were reversed and I think he should consider how this makes her feel.

I don't think the female h.ms are going to be forced to flirt with him at all, but while he's "just having fun" "just horny" they're "making him look bad" "just want his money", "are acting like bunny boilers/slappers".

My point is this is all one sided with marco as the innocent one and Laura as the villain.

Before anything ever happened she was telling everyone that she wanted to **** him and that she fancied him. Now you're saying Marco forced her? :huh:

[Vanessa]

Oh please just stop,the hatred of Marco is ridiculous now,she loved it there was NO sign from her for him to stop,and how is Marco portrayed as the innocent one he is the one everyone is hating on because of it,but it's made me like him more as it's pretty unfair,they are both sex mad tarts,simple as.

She still wants him, but not in front of the cameras and i get that. No problem with it. But people saying he forced her is ridiculous. When if she gets drunk again she will be back with him. :laugh:

[Vanessa]

Laura, laura, laura. She's such a bad influence isn't she? all he wants is to "have fun" and he's "just horny" and just "young" so that's ok. But Laura? no,no,no she -made- him fancy her, she -made- him pull her t shirt up and suck her nipple, it's not his fault how he behaves,it's not his responsibility to control himself nooooo he's horny (so that's ok) he just wants to have fun (so that's ok) he's just young (so that's ok) he doesn't need to think about how he's making his fiance look or how she feels. No-that's not his responsibility at all.

When Laura leaves, sorry I mean gets evicted on friday to a s*** storm of boos (because marco) and he moves on to use/play with/ wreck another female h.m's experience in the house (probably Emma) I wonder what excuses people will come up with for his behaviour then, what about the time after that.

No, it's not Laura who is taking the flack for this, it's Marco.

[Niamh.]

She still wants him, but not in front of the cameras and i get that. No problem with it. But people saying he forced her is ridiculous. When if she gets drunk again she will be back with him. :laugh:

which is why she probably said nothing happened with him in the bed because she doesn't want it displayed as much as it has been :laugh: I don't like liars either but when it comes to stuff like what one person gets up to under the covers with someone else then come on, give them a break, it's supposed to be their own business and no one elses (as much as that's possible on BB)

[Vanessa]

which is why she probably said nothing happened with him in the bed because she doesn't want it displayed as much as it has been :laugh: I don't like liars either but when it comes to stuff like what one person gets up to under the covers with someone else then come on, give them a break, it's supposed to be their own business and no one elses (as much as that's possible on BB)

Yes. But we have all seen it. Does she forget about the cameras? :joker:

[Amy Jade]

Laura, laura, laura. She's such a bad influence isn't she? all he wants is to "have fun" and he's "just horny" and just "young" so that's ok. But Laura? no,no,no she -made- him fancy her, she -made- him pull her t shirt up and suck her nipple, it's not his fault how he behaves,it's not his responsibility to control himself nooooo he's horny (so that's ok) he just wants to have fun (so that's ok) he's just young (so that's ok) he doesn't need to think about how he's making his fiance look or how she feels. No-that's not his responsibility at all.

When Laura leaves, sorry I mean gets evicted on friday to a s*** storm of boos (because marco) and he moves on to use/play with/ wreck another female h.m's experience in the house (probably Emma) I wonder what excuses people will come up with for his behaviour then, what about the time after that.
Fantastic post :clap2:

[Kazanne]

She still wants him, but not in front of the cameras and i get that. No problem with it. But people saying he forced her is ridiculous. When if she gets drunk again she will be back with him. :laugh:

I see where you are coming from Vanessa,Marco can be a pleb sometimes,but he's pretty harmless,a bit sex obsessed ,but I noticed how he accepted Laura saying she just wanted to be friends he's not all bad,just hyper and a bit in your face sometimes,but notice he has more flack now because he didn't dance to Georgina tune and it will get worse.

[Drew.]

BB legend

[Vanessa]

People are saying that Laura is taking all the flack for this. Not true, it's Marco. He's the one people are blaming for this and not Laura. Some people even saying he forced Laura, which is ridiculous :crazy:

[Vanessa]

I see where you are coming from Vanessa,Marco can be a pleb sometimes,but he's pretty harmless,a bit sex obsessed ,but I noticed how he accepted Laura saying she just wanted to be friends he's not all bad,just hyper and a bit in your face sometimes,but notice he has more flack now because he didn't dance to Georgina tune and it will get worse.

He isn't a sex pest. She wanted him just as much, so he went with it. But as soon as she said she wanted to be just friends he accepted it. And now he's getting ALL the blame for it, which i think is unfair.

[Niamh.]

Yes. But we have all seen it. Does she forget about the cameras? :joker:

Well we saw them doing something under there but what exactly? I don't know and I really am not all that interested tbh :laugh:

[Cherie]

She was very willing and no one forced her. Last night she told Marco she only wanted to be friends and he respected that.


He respected that by ignoring her and flirting with Emma :laugh:

[Vanessa]

Well we saw them doing something under there but what exactly? I don't know and I really am not all that interested tbh :laugh:

Whatever it was she was loving it :hehe:

[Vanessa]

He respected that by ignoring her and flirting with Emma :laugh:

He can't help himself. :laugh:

[Niamh.]

He respected that by ignoring her and flirting with Emma :laugh:

Exactly, he was clearly only after a grope with her but Laura was the user mmhhmm

[Niamh.]

Whatever it was she was loving it :hehe:

This conversation is starting to gross me out now so i shall leave it there :laugh:

[Vanessa]

Exactly, he was clearly only after a grope with her but Laura was the user mmhhmm

Emma has a boyfriend, doesn't she? I think they're just friends. But he is a massive flirt.

[Vanessa]

This conversation is starting to gross me out now so i shall leave it there :laugh:

:joker: ok sorry!

[Niamh.]

Emma has a boyfriend, doesn't she? I think they're just friends. But he is a massive flirt.

Not sure Ness

[Vanessa]

Not sure Ness

Emma seems to like him anyway. They do get on very well and are both free spirits.

[Kazanne]

Well we saw them doing something under there but what exactly? I don't know and I really am not all that interested tbh :laugh:

She said they were dry humping:hee:

[Tom4784]

He'll never be entertaining, he's obnoxious, loud, spoilt and has an awful personality.

[Vanessa]

She said they were dry humping:hee:

He wasn't anywhere near her to do that :joker:

[Niamh.]

She said they were dry humping:hee:

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[Withano]

He may be odd, but he's not nasty or malicious. The only time we have seen him kick off is when the Others came in. The rest of the time he has been fine. And he's not bitchy or two faced. I wish they had sent him to the Other House, because he needs to stay away from Laura. And yes, get a drink on her and she will go back to him. :laugh:

I disagree, I think there are reasons to like Marco being his energy and being irritating enough to spark a debate on forums and in the house.. But i have seen him be nasty and malicious in the last week on more than one occaision. I think he could be a great housemate too but for all the wrong reasons. I don't really understand what you're seeing.

[Vanessa]

I disagree, I think there are reasons to like Marco being his energy and being irritating enough to spark a debate on forums and in the house.. But i have seen him be nasty and malicious in the last week on more than one occaision. I think he could be a great housemate too but for all the wrong reasons. I don't really understand what you're seeing.

He's unique and we have never had someone like him on the show. Also he's taking all the blame for the Marco/Laura thing, which i find unfair. It takes two to tango.

[Withano]

He's unique and we have never had someone like him on the show. Also he's taking all the blame for the Marco/Laura thing, which i find unfair. It takes two to tango.

Yeah hes pretty unique (for an adult, theres plenty of children like him). I just dont see how you dont find him nasty or malicious. He obviously has been. He's not all-good, you know that!

[Vanessa]

Yeah hes pretty unique (for an adult, theres plenty of children like him). I just dont see how you dont find him nasty or malicious. He obviously has been. He's not all-good, you know that!

But he's still only 20, so still has a lot of growing up to do. Laura is a decade older but people still blame Marco for this and some even think he forced her :umm2:

[Withano]

But he's still only 20, so still has a lot of growing up to do. Laura is a decade older but people still blame Marco for this and some even think he forced her :umm2:

20 is the age of a fully grown adult. There are reasons to support his positive traits, there are not reasons to defend his negative ones, hes just a prick some of the time.

[Vanessa]

20 is the age of a fully grown adult. There are reasons to support his positive traits, there are not reasons to defend his negative ones, hes just a prick some of the time.

He's not perfect, but why should he take all the blame?

[Niamh.]

But he's still only 20, so still has a lot of growing up to do. Laura is a decade older but people still blame Marco for this and some even think he forced her :umm2:

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[Withano]

He's not perfect, but why should he take all the blame?

I dunno, you said he volunteered to do so in an earlier post

[Vanessa]

I dunno, you said he volunteered to do so in an earlier post

No, i didn't say that. I said it takes two to tango.

[Denver]

he should take the most blame as he is the one cheating not Laura

[Vanessa]

he should take the most blame as he is the one cheating not Laura

No, he had a pass, even his girlfriend confirmed it.

[hot2go]

She said it was just kissing and cuddling. Yeah right, then what the hell were they doing under the covers? :nono: wasn't just kissing.

Does she think we haven't seen her and we are stupid ?

In bed with him, tits out in front of everyone, riding him like My Little Pony in the pod ...

We're not all blind :laugh:

[Vanessa]

Does she think we haven't seen her and we are stupid ?

In bed with him, tits out in front of everyone, riding him like My Little Pony in the pod ...

We're not all blind :laugh:

And now she's playing the poor little innocent victim :fist:

[Denver]

No, he had a pass, even his girlfriend confirmed it.

dress it up how you want its still cheating and if he cared about the woman he asked to marry him then he wouldnt even look at another woman let alone chew her face off

[Vanessa]

dress it up how you want its still cheating and if he cared about the woman he asked to marry him then he wouldnt even look at another woman let alone chew her face off

No, it's not cheating because they both agree. Cheating is when you do it secretly.

[Denver]

No, it's not cheating because they both agree. Cheating is when you do it secretly.

it still doesnt answer the point i made he does not love that girl on the outside

[Vanessa]

it still doesnt answer the point i made he does not love that girl on the outside

It may work for them. :shrug:

[Denver]

It may work for them. :shrug:

if you truly love someone you wont sleep around

[Tom4784]

And now she's playing the poor little innocent victim :fist:

Yet Marco's just an innocent victim in all this...Get real.

He's an insincere user that doesn't have any respect for women, has the temperament of a child and only thinks with his dick. He's a charmless annoying ingrate that hasn't provided any entertainment and think he's the center of the universe because his dad is rich.

He didn't even take two seconds to think of his 'fiance' he was making moves on the first night. He obviously doesn't care about anyone other than himself and his needs.

[Vanessa]

if you truly love someone you wont sleep around

Everyone relationship is different though.

[Vanessa]

Yet Marco's just an innocent victim in all this...Get real.

He's an insincere user that doesn't have any respect for women, has the temperament of a child and only thinks with his dick. He's a charmless annoying ingrate that hasn't provided any entertainment and think he's the center of the universe because his dad is rich.

He didn't even take two seconds to think of his 'fiance' he was making moves on the first night. He obviously doesn't care about anyone other than himself and his needs.

I think it takes two to tango, that is all.

[Niamh.]

it still doesnt answer the point i made he does not love that girl on the outside

It may work for them. :shrug:

the girl who he dumped on national TV last night

[Vanessa]

the girl who he dumped on national TV last night

He said they have an open relationship, so who knows.

[Niamh.]

He said they have an open relationship, so who knows.

who knows what? He said he hadn't met the right girl yet but he's apparently engaged to this girl :laugh:

[hot2go]

he should take the most blame as he is the one cheating not Laura

His relationship with his fiancé is no more real than the one with Laura....she must be puddled to think anything otherwise....she's 34 and got engaged to MARCO :laugh: ..,after only weeks of knowing him....:laugh...who in their right mind would do that ? ...really

[Vanessa]

who knows what? He said he hadn't met the right girl yet but he's apparently engaged to this girl :laugh:

i don't know what he's thinking either :laugh:

[Tom4784]

I think it takes two to tango, that is all.

You should probably apply that to Marco then, since you are content with putting all the blame on Laura.

[Vanessa]

You should probably apply that to Marco then, since you are content with putting all the blame on Laura.

They're equally to blame.

[Tom4784]

They're equally to blame.

Really? Doesn't really look that way going from the posts you've made on the matter.

[Vanessa]

Really? Doesn't really look that way going from the posts you've made on the matter.

That's because i don't like her.

[Jack_]

I see no one's pointed out the fact that neither of them are to blame yet.

To start with it's worth mentioning the fact that Laura isn't in a relationship, so she is entitled to do what she likes. In normal circumstances it would not be her responsibility to not cheat on her partner, but that of the person she's playing around with.

That said, Marco and his girlfriend have both said he has a 'hall pass' to effectively do what he wants while he's on Big Brother. I realise he said it was an open relationship too, but that doesn't dissolve the hall pass that his girlfriend has said still exists. In which case, per the terms of it, he is also entitled to do what he wants and it is the business of no one else to criticise him for it. You can dislike him all you want (and I obviously understand the reasons), but it is his and his girlfriend's relationship and not ours. If she said he was permitted to do this, then that is that. I think some people are allowing their distaste, misunderstanding and personal opposition to having a hall pass (or an open relationship in general) for themselves or their own (hypothetical) partner to cloud their judgement. It doesn't matter whether you couldn't operate your relationship in the same manner (I couldn't either, btw), it still exists and it is up to Marco and his fiancé to determine whether that's acceptable or not and not a bunch of Big Brother fans.

Open your minds. Criticise his behaviour all you like, but slating him because he has a fiancé when said fiancé has said the hall pass does exist is just stupid. Those are the terms of his relationship and it's about time people started to understand them.

[Vanessa]

I see no one's pointed out the fact that neither of them are to blame yet.

To start with it's worth mentioning the fact that Laura isn't in a relationship, so she is entitled to do what she likes. In normal circumstances it would not be her responsibility to not cheat on her partner, but that of the person she's playing around with.

That said, Marco and his girlfriend have both said he has a 'hall pass' to effectively do what he wants while he's on Big Brother. I realise he said it was an open relationship too, but that doesn't dissolve the hall pass that his girlfriend has said still exists. In which case, per the terms of it, he is also entitled to do what he wants and it is the business of no one else to criticise him for it. You can dislike him all you want (and I obviously understand the reasons), but it is his and his girlfriend's relationship and not ours. If she said he was permitted to do this, then that is that. I think some people are allowing their distaste, misunderstanding and personal opposition to having a hall pass (or an open relationship in general) for themselves or their own (hypothetical) partner to cloud their judgement. It doesn't matter whether you couldn't operate your relationship in the same manner (I couldn't either, btw), it still exists and it is up to Marco and his fiancé to determine whether that's acceptable or not and not a bunch of Big Brother fans.

Open your minds. Criticise his behaviour all you like, but slating him because he has a fiancé when said fiancé has said the hall pass does exist is just stupid. Those are the terms of his relationship and it's about time people started to understand them.

It just pisses me off that he's taking all the blame, to be honest. :bored:

[Rob!]

I prefer people being honest and upfront, that's all.

Well Marco certainly isn't honest about his.

[Vanessa]

Well Marco certainly isn't honest about his.

He said he has an open relationship with his girlfriend. If Laura can't accept this then she needs to stay away from him. Let's see how long it lasts.

[Jack_]

It just pisses me off that he's taking all the blame, to be honest. :bored:

He doesn't have any blame to take, but certainly neither does Laura

You don't need to throw Laura under the bus to protect Marco Vanessa, just say it for what it is :laugh: two adults partaking in consensual activity and the man has a 'hall pass' to allow it that's been ratified by his fiancé

[jaxie]

And Laura getting away with it scott free : the poor little innocent victim of big bad Marco :bored:

I do think he could be a fantastic housemate if he calmed down, but he needs to stay away from Laura.

He really isn't and in a way he should take more of the blame as he has been very full on with her. I think they are both a pair of sleazy idiots, he's a leech and she's a fool for going along with it because she thinks it makes her sexy. I know you like the pretty boys Vanessa and I like you but he is a complete moron and not that pretty.

[Kazanne]

Imo,Marco and his girlfriend (if there is one) are both happy with him doing what he is doing,so let them get on with it,other than that ,I still don't get the 'hate' for him

[Vanessa]

He doesn't have any blame to take, but certainly neither does Laura

You don't need to throw Laura under the bus to protect Marco Vanessa, just say it for what it is :laugh: two adults partaking in consensual activity and the man has a 'hall pass' to allow it that's been ratified by his fiancé

I just don't like Laura. Just wait until she finds out she's up for eviction. She will be on Marco bees on honey . :laugh:

[Vanessa]

Imo,Marco and his girlfriend (if there is one) are both happy with him doing what he is doing,so let them get on with it,other than that ,I still don't get the 'hate' for him

Same, he isn't that bad. I know he's odd, but harmless really.

[Rob!]

He said he has an open relationship with his girlfriend. If Laura can't accept this then she needs to stay away from him. Let's see how long it lasts.

Laura has said herself she's only after sex, which as a single person, she's more than entitled to. And the reason Marco is getting so much hate is because of the way he is with her and the fact that he is coming across as such an arrogant prick. The fact that his girlfriend has said he isn't in an open relationship at all and he then went on to practically dump her on national television - his FIANCÉ - doesn't really help his cause either :laugh:
Laura's problem is that she appears to have absolutly no self respect whatsoever.

[Josy]

I see no one's pointed out the fact that neither of them are to blame yet.

To start with it's worth mentioning the fact that Laura isn't in a relationship, so she is entitled to do what she likes. In normal circumstances it would not be her responsibility to not cheat on her partner, but that of the person she's playing around with.

That said, Marco and his girlfriend have both said he has a 'hall pass' to effectively do what he wants while he's on Big Brother. I realise he said it was an open relationship too, but that doesn't dissolve the hall pass that his girlfriend has said still exists. In which case, per the terms of it, he is also entitled to do what he wants and it is the business of no one else to criticise him for it. You can dislike him all you want (and I obviously understand the reasons), but it is his and his girlfriend's relationship and not ours. If she said he was permitted to do this, then that is that. I think some people are allowing their distaste, misunderstanding and personal opposition to having a hall pass (or an open relationship in general) for themselves or their own (hypothetical) partner to cloud their judgement. It doesn't matter whether you couldn't operate your relationship in the same manner (I couldn't either, btw), it still exists and it is up to Marco and his fiancé to determine whether that's acceptable or not and not a bunch of Big Brother fans.

Open your minds. Criticise his behaviour all you like, but slating him because he has a fiancé when said fiancé has said the hall pass does exist is just stupid. Those are the terms of his relationship and it's about time people started to understand them.

My mind is open and I am perfectly able to come to my own conclusions about housemates and their actions without someone telling me how to go about it, my opinion is that any 'hall pass' is complete bollocks, it's just pure and utter disrespect for the person you are supposed to be in a relationship with.

Therefore, I think Marco is a little prick for getting with someone else when he has a fiancee and I find Laura's behaviour in the house, on tv with someone she barely knows to be completely embarrassing, not just for her but for her family and friends on the outside, she obvious lacks any kind of discretion, class or respect.

[Vanessa]

Laura has said herself she's only after sex, which as a single person, she's more than entitled to. And the reason Marco is getting so much hate is because of the way he is with her and the fact that he is coming across as such an arrogant prick. The fact that his girlfriend has said he isn't in an open relationship at all and he then went on to practically dump her on national television - his FIANCÉ - doesn't really help his cause either :laugh:
Laura's problem is that she appears to have absolutly no self respect whatsoever.

let's see if she stays away if she's up for eviction. :suspect:

[Niamh.]

let's see if she stays away if she's up for eviction. :suspect:

It would be in her best interest to stay away from him if she's up for eviction considering the reason she's hated is because of her "relationship" with marco :shrug:

[Rob!]

let's see if she stays away if she's up for eviction. :suspect:

She was up for, what she thought was, eviction last week and it didn't seem to stop her :laugh:

[Livia]

They're both thick.

They should nail them together to make one long plank.

[Speedster]

He said he has an open relationship with his girlfriend. If Laura can't accept this then she needs to stay away from him. Let's see how long it lasts.


So he can do what he wants to whoever he wants in the house (because he's got a so-called hall pass) as long as it's not Laura (because you don't like her) because you like him.

Sorry but I can't see how that'll work. Because when she's out, what happens if/when he moves onto another woman-will she be ok for him to mess about with?.

[Vanessa]

It would be in her best interest to stay away from him if she's up for eviction considering the reason she's hated is because of her "relationship" with marco :shrug:

Yes, you would think so :laugh:

[Drew.]

My mind is open and I am perfectly able to come to my own conclusions about housemates and their actions without someone telling me how to go about it, my opinion is that any 'hall pass' is complete bollocks, it's just pure and utter disrespect for the person you are supposed to be in a relationship with.

Therefore, I think Marco is a little prick for getting with someone else when he has a fiancee and I find Laura's behaviour in the house, on tv with someone she barely knows to be completely embarrassing, not just for her but for her family and friends on the outside, she obvious lacks any kind of discretion, class or respect.

:clap1:

[LukeB]

My mind is open and I am perfectly able to come to my own conclusions about housemates and their actions without someone telling me how to go about it, my opinion is that any 'hall pass' is complete bollocks, it's just pure and utter disrespect for the person you are supposed to be in a relationship with.

Therefore, I think Marco is a little prick for getting with someone else when he has a fiancee and I find Laura's behaviour in the house, on tv with someone she barely knows to be completely embarrassing, not just for her but for her family and friends on the outside, she obvious lacks any kind of discretion, class or respect.

Great post here josy :clap1:

[Niamh.]

My mind is open and I am perfectly able to come to my own conclusions about housemates and their actions without someone telling me how to go about it, my opinion is that any 'hall pass' is complete bollocks, it's just pure and utter disrespect for the person you are supposed to be in a relationship with.

Therefore, I think Marco is a little prick for getting with someone else when he has a fiancee and I find Laura's behaviour in the house, on tv with someone she barely knows to be completely embarrassing, not just for her but for her family and friends on the outside, she obvious lacks any kind of discretion, class or respect.

getting on the Josy appreciation train :clap2:

[Jamie89]

Oh please just stop,the hatred of Marco is ridiculous now,she loved it there was NO sign from her for him to stop,and how is Marco portrayed as the innocent one he is the one everyone is hating on because of it,but it's made me like him more as it's pretty unfair,they are both sex mad tarts,simple as.

I see no one's pointed out the fact that neither of them are to blame yet.

To start with it's worth mentioning the fact that Laura isn't in a relationship, so she is entitled to do what she likes. In normal circumstances it would not be her responsibility to not cheat on her partner, but that of the person she's playing around with.

That said, Marco and his girlfriend have both said he has a 'hall pass' to effectively do what he wants while he's on Big Brother. I realise he said it was an open relationship too, but that doesn't dissolve the hall pass that his girlfriend has said still exists. In which case, per the terms of it, he is also entitled to do what he wants and it is the business of no one else to criticise him for it. You can dislike him all you want (and I obviously understand the reasons), but it is his and his girlfriend's relationship and not ours. If she said he was permitted to do this, then that is that. I think some people are allowing their distaste, misunderstanding and personal opposition to having a hall pass (or an open relationship in general) for themselves or their own (hypothetical) partner to cloud their judgement. It doesn't matter whether you couldn't operate your relationship in the same manner (I couldn't either, btw), it still exists and it is up to Marco and his fiancé to determine whether that's acceptable or not and not a bunch of Big Brother fans.

Open your minds. Criticise his behaviour all you like, but slating him because he has a fiancé when said fiancé has said the hall pass does exist is just stupid. Those are the terms of his relationship and it's about time people started to understand them.

:clap1: Great posts!

I don't particularly like Marco but I think the amount of hatred for him is a tad OTT and he's certainly getting a lot of unwarranted blame imo. In a way it's unusually refreshing that the man is getting more blame than the woman :laugh: but still, neither of them should be really.

[Jack_]

My mind is open and I am perfectly able to come to my own conclusions about housemates and their actions without someone telling me how to go about it, my opinion is that any 'hall pass' is complete bollocks, it's just pure and utter disrespect for the person you are supposed to be in a relationship with.

Therefore, I think Marco is a little prick for getting with someone else when he has a fiancee and I find Laura's behaviour in the house, on tv with someone she barely knows to be completely embarrassing, not just for her but for her family and friends on the outside, she obvious lacks any kind of discretion, class or respect.

Well it can't be that open if you're letting your own personal opinion of having a 'hall pass' cloud your judgement of the fact that both Marco and his fiancé have said he has one. If his fiancé has granted him one, or if they hypothetically did have an open relationship (which I know they don't), then they are per the terms of it entitled to do whatever they want with whoever they want outside of it, and again, it is the business of no Big Brother fan to tell them they aren't.

If cannot be disrespectful for his fiancé if she herself granted him one. That is her choice. Clearly their relationship is strong enough that she and he feel that it wouldn't change anything, and that is their choice. Just because you (and myself too) couldn't agree to giving our partners a hall pass, it doesn't mean that they don't exist and that some people do. And those people are entitled to conduct their relationship however they choose, without being criticised by people who refuse to understand them.

Lastly, 'class' and 'respect' are socially constructed subjective concepts that can't be defined and are therefore meaningless. Laura is entitled to act however she wishes, if a few people are offended at the sight of some dry humping that's their problem and not hers. And she certainly has no blame to take in this situation either, she's the single party and isn't responsible for another person's relationship - she can do what she wants.

[Jack_]

Very sad that in 2016 people still can't allow other people to conduct their relationships however they please

I guess we still have a long way to go!

[Vanessa]

Very sad that in 2016 people still can't allow other people to conduct their relationships however they please

I guess we still have a long way to go!

:(

[Niamh.]

Well it can't be that open if you're letting your own personal opinion of having a 'hall pass' cloud your judgement of the fact that both Marco and his fiancé have said he has one. If his fiancé has granted him one, or if they hypothetically did have an open relationship (which I know they don't), then they are per the terms of it entitled to do whatever they want with whoever they want outside of it, and again, it is the business of no Big Brother fan to tell them they aren't.

If cannot be disrespectful for his fiancé if she herself granted him one. That is her choice. Clearly their relationship is strong enough that she and he feel that it wouldn't change anything, and that is their choice. Just because you (and myself too) couldn't agree to giving our partners a hall pass, it doesn't mean that they don't exist and that some people do. And those people are entitled to conduct their relationship however they choose, without being criticised by people who refuse to understand them.

Lastly, 'class' and 'respect' are socially constructed subjective concepts that can't be defined and are therefore meaningless. Laura is entitled to act however she wishes, if a few people are offended at the sight of some dry humping that's their problem and not hers. And she certainly has no blame to take in this situation either, she's the single party and isn't responsible for another person's relationship - she can do what she wants.

Clearly it isn't since he pretty much dumped her national TV last night

[Jack_]

Clearly it isn't since he pretty much dumped her national TV last night

Well that's tenuous at best but if he does genuinely break up with her on TV at some point then I WILL criticise him, but my point was more that those who grant hall passes or agree to open relationships in general believe their feelings for each other are strong enough that in doing so it won't affect each other. And again, they are entitled to do that without being criticised by people who couldn't themselves do the same and therefore don't understand it

One example of a relationship doesn't really change that

[armand.kay]

Vanessa I have no idea where you're going with this thread because Laura has literally got so much hate for this. Most the Marco hate I've seen on here and in the house is to do with his childish, obnoxious personality rather than his relationship with Laura.

[Vanessa]

Vanessa I have no idea where you're going with this thread because Laura has literally got so much hate for this. Most the Marco hate I've seen on here and in the house is to do with his childish, obnoxious personality rather than his relationship with Laura.

Nowhere near as much the blame that Marco is getting.

[Jack_]

Vanessa I have no idea where you're going with this thread because Laura has literally got so much hate for this. Most the Marco hate I've seen on here and in the house is to do with his childish, obnoxious personality rather than his relationship with Laura.

You're right, but there's definitely been people criticising him for supposedly 'cheating' on his fiancé too

[Niamh.]

Well that's tenuous at best but if he does genuinely break up with her on TV at some point then I WILL criticise him, but my point was more that those who grant hall passes or agree to open relationships in general believe their feelings for each other are strong enough that in doing so it won't affect each other. And again, they are entitled to do that without being criticised by people who couldn't themselves do the same and therefore don't understand it

One example of a relationship doesn't really change that

How do you know that though? Like how are you so sure that most people in open relationships/give out hall passess are both happy and secure in the relationship? It's your opinion and mine is that alot are probably only doing it to hang on to the other person or because damage limitation for when they "cheat".

Marcos fiancee or ex fiancee whatever she is now, was very quick to clarify that her and Marco were not on the same page when talking about the hall pass/open relationship situation

[Vanessa]

You're right, but there's definitely been people criticising him for supposedly 'cheating' on his fiancé too

Exactly. They don't care he has a hall pass and that his girlfriend has confirmed it. For them it's still cheating.

[Jake.]

And Laura getting away with it scott free : the poor little innocent victim of big bad Marco :bored:

I do think he could be a fantastic housemate if he calmed down, but he needs to stay away from Laura.

This is literally nonsense. We'll see who gets the chants on Friday..

[armand.kay]

I do believe the whole hall pass thing but I don't think she's happy about it. And if Marco is happy to go on like this on national to then clearly he doesn't love and respect her as much as you should love and respect you fiancé. He's basically made a mug of her on tv and and she is a mug for allowing it to happen. But whatever it's their relationship I really couldn't care less about this entire situation.

[Josy]

Well it can't be that open if you're letting your own personal opinion of having a 'hall pass' cloud your judgement of the fact that both Marco and his fiancé have said he has one. If his fiancé has granted him one, or if they hypothetically did have an open relationship (which I know they don't), then they are per the terms of it entitled to do whatever they want with whoever they want outside of it, and again, it is the business of no Big Brother fan to tell them they aren't.

If cannot be disrespectful for his fiancé if she herself granted him one. That is her choice. Clearly their relationship is strong enough that she and he feel that it wouldn't change anything, and that is their choice. Just because you (and myself too) couldn't agree to giving our partners a hall pass, it doesn't mean that they don't exist and that some people do. And those people are entitled to conduct their relationship however they choose, without being criticised by people who refuse to understand them.

Lastly, 'class' and 'respect' are socially constructed subjective concepts that can't be defined and are therefore meaningless. Laura is entitled to act however she wishes, if a few people are offended at the sight of some dry humping that's their problem and not hers. And she certainly has no blame to take in this situation either, she's the single party and isn't responsible for another person's relationship - she can do what she wants.

Everything posted here is personal opinion Jack, from you, I and everyone else, is everyone's judgement clouded then including your own?

I don't care that Marco or his fiancee has said he has a hall pass or that hall passes exist, and of course they are perfectly entitled to do what they want just as I am perfectly entitled to find hall passes to be bull**** and highly disrespectful to the people involved regardless if they say they are ok with it or not, Marco is on BB airing his business about his relationship, it's mixing with current events that are going on in the house therefore any of us watching are entitled to judge and have an opinion on it.

As for their relationship being strong enough I find that laughable, they have been together less than two months

Class and respect aren't meaningless to me, hence the reason I commented about them in my last post.

[Withano]

I blame Andy

[Niamh.]

I blame Andy

:laugh2:

[Jack_]

How do you know that though? Like how are you so sure that most people in open relationships/give out hall passess are both happy and secure in the relationship? It's your opinion and mine is that alot are probably only doing it to hang on to the other person or because damage limitation for when they "cheat".

Marcos fiancee or ex fiancee whatever she is now, was very quick to clarify that her and Marco were not on the same page when talking about the hall pass/open relationship situation

She denied the open relationship which I'll admit was pretty rude of him to say if that wasn't the case, but confirmed the hall pass

And because if you and your partner feel strong enough in your feelings for each other and that you think they'd stand the test of time regardless, then agreeing that each other can have casual, no-strings sex with other people on the side deep in the knowledge that at the end of the day you can return to one another, still be in love and continue as normal - I'd say that's pretty strong. You'd certainly have to not be a jealous person that's for sure

What people seem to be assuming here is that everyone treats sex in exactly the same way and put it on a pedestal. For some people they consider it meaningless and so for their partner to be having it with others, it wouldn't affect their relationship because the love they have outweighs the sexual aspect. And that's their prerogative. Just because you or I could never agree to it, it doesn't mean other people aren't entitled to conduct their relationships in that way if they can. But it's certainly not the place of anyone else to tell them they're 'disrespectful' or 'cheating' just because they don't understand it

[LukeB]

Clearly it isn't since he pretty much dumped her national TV last night

Dumbing a gf on tv without her being there is such a dick move.

[armand.kay]

You're right, but there's definitely been people criticising him for supposedly 'cheating' on his fiancé too
Yeah I'm not denying that Marco is getting some heat from this but I'm just saying people seem to dislike Laura a lot more and all she's done in the house is be marco's ho while Marco is also hated but for a lot more reasons not just this.

Nowhere near as much the blame that Marco is getting.

Exactly. They don't care he has a hall pass and that his girlfriend has confirmed it. For them it's still cheating.

Clearly your watching a different show than I am because it's Laura who is always slated on bots, it's Laura who had the crowd chanting to get her out, it's Laura who everyone in the house is putting responsibly on by telling her to cool it down, it's Laura who is getting bitched about in the house in regards to this relationship, it's Laura who has a mob of Twitter girls and Facebook nannies out for her blood and it's Laura who is being targeted by the others :shrug: Marco is hardly getting any heat for this. Most of the hate he is getting is because of his PERSONALITY!!! Not this. People would hate him even if this relationship never happened this just adds to the hate.

[Vanessa]

Yeah I'm not denying that Marco is getting some heat from this but I'm just saying people seem to dislike Laura a lot more and all she's done in the house is be marco's ho while Marco is also hated but for a lot more reasons not just this.





Clearly your watching a different show than I am because it's Laura who is always slated on bots, it's Laura who had the crowd chanting to get her out, it's Laura who everyone in the house is putting responsibly on by telling her to cool it down, it's Laura who is getting bitched about in the house in regards to this relationship, it's Laura who has a mob of Twitter girls and Facebook nannies out for her blood and it's Laura who is being targeted by the others :shrug: Marco is hardly getting any heat for this. Most of the hate he is getting is because of his PERSONALITY!!! Not this. People would hate him even if this relationship never happened this just adds to the hate.

BOTS accused him of coercing Laura into a sexual relationship. A very serious allegation and they backtracked last night. Because they know it's not true.

[Niamh.]

She denied the open relationship which I'll admit was pretty rude of him to say if that wasn't the case, but confirmed the hall pass

And because if you and your partner feel strong enough in your feelings for each other and that you think they'd stand the test of time regardless, then agreeing that each other can have casual, no-strings sex with other people on the side deep in the knowledge that at the end of the day you can return to one another, still be in love and continue as normal - I'd say that's pretty strong. You'd certainly have to not be a jealous person that's for sure

What people seem to be assuming here is that everyone treats sex in exactly the same way and put it on a pedestal. For some people they consider it meaningless and so for their partner to be having it with others, it wouldn't affect their relationship because the love they have outweighs the sexual aspect. And that's their prerogative. Just because you or I could never agree to it, it doesn't mean other people aren't entitled to conduct their relationships in that way if they can. But it's certainly not the place of anyone else to tell them they're 'disrespectful' or 'cheating' just because they don't understand it

With all due respect jack you're making the assumption that this is how all people in open relationships feel and that is just not the case, i'm sure some are how you described but I would say that in a lot of cases one person is only doing it to make the other happy/for fear of losing them if they don't/thinks would just cheat anyway. I've read countless stories to that effect about such relationships

[Ammi]

I do believe the whole hall pass thing but I don't think she's happy about it. And if Marco is happy to go on like this on national to then clearly he doesn't love and respect her as much as you should love and respect you fiancé. He's basically made a mug of her on tv and and she is a mug for allowing it to happen. But whatever it's their relationship I really couldn't care less about this entire situation.

...oh so much this, Armand...:worship:..I doubt that Marco has taken 'all of the blame' for anything in his life or any responsibility whatsoever for anything he does../any of his actions...he seems to completely have a child's thought process and lacking any responsibility or commitment and certainly not in any type of committed relationship...(whatever the 'agreements' of that relationship may be...)...I don't have any thoughts about his fiancé because she knows who he is/what he is and has chosen to be with him and I don't have any thoughts about Laura because she's making her choices in the house as well...(and seems to have an equal child thought process as Marco..)...the whole 'storyline' from all of them seems incredibly contrived and I personally find it just completely boring and have no interest at all...other than the fact that it's taking up more air-time than it deserves....

[Jack_]

Everything posted here is personal opinion Jack, from you, I and everyone else, is everyone's judgement clouded then including your own?

I don't care that Marco or his fiancee has said he has a hall pass or that hall passes exist, and of course they are perfectly entitled to do what they want just as I am perfectly entitled to find hall passes to be bull**** and highly disrespectful to the people involved regardless if they say they are ok with it or not, Marco is on BB airing his business about his relationship, it's mixing with current events that are going on in the house therefore any of us watching are entitled to judge and have an opinion on it.

As for their relationship being strong enough I find that laughable, they have been together less than two months

Class and respect aren't meaningless to me, hence the reason I commented about them in my last post.

No, because I'm not allowing my own personal opposition to having an open relationship or a 'hall pass' cloud my judgement of someone else's right to have one. Just because I couldn't have one, it doesn't mean I refuse to understand others wanting to. I am able to process that and not allow my personal opposition to them to take over and criticise anyone else who chooses to conduct their relationships in different ways to me.

Well it's not really up to you or me or anyone else to say that someone else's relationship is 'disrespectful' to their partner because...it isn't our relationship. The only people who can decide what's disrespectful or not is the people involved in it, because they are the ones who are a part of it :conf:

You can judge Marco's behaviour all you like, and you can criticise his and Laura's OTT dry humping too (I don't really see the point but each to their own), but you cannot criticise his and his fiancés relationship because it is not yours to decide the terms of it. What him and his fiancé say goes, and no amount of criticism from a few Big Brother fans who don't understand why anyone would agree to an open relationship or a hall pass is going to change it.

Yes but what you, I, Dave down the road and multiple others consider to be 'classy' and 'respectful' are subjective and on a sliding scale. They're concepts which aren't quantifiable so therefore they are just meaningless buzz words

[Niamh.]

...oh so much this, Armand...:worship:..I doubt that Marco has taken 'all of the blame' for anything in his life or any responsibility whatsoever for anything he does../any of his actions...he seems to completely have a child's thought process and lacking any responsibility or commitment and certainly not in any type of committed relationship...(whatever the 'agreements' of that relationship may be...)...I don't have any thoughts about his fiancé because she knows who he is/what he is and has chosen to be with him and I don't have any thoughts about Laura because she's making her choices in the house as well...(and seems to have an equal child thought process as Marco..)...the whole 'storyline' from all of them seems incredibly contrived and I personally find it just completely boring and have no interest at all...other than the fact that it's taking up more air-time than it deserves....

What Ammi said also :hee:

[Vanessa]

I have no problem whatsoever with who doesn't like Marco. But saying WHY ISN'T HE DEAD? I WANT HIM DEAD! is way over the top. And i keep reading a post like this a few times. I thought wishing an housemate dead was against the rules? :shocked:

[Niamh.]

I have no problem whatsoever with who doesn't like Marco. But saying WHY ISN'T HE DEAD? I WANT HIM DEAD! is way over the top. And i keep reading a post like this a few times. I thought wishing an housemate dead was against the rules? :shocked:

It is Ness, you could report those posts, we don't see everything

[Vanessa]

It is Ness, you could report those posts, we don't see everything

I have put that poster on ignore, because to be honest it has really upset me. And other posters applauding this post. It's out of order. But anyway.

[Niamh.]

I have put that poster on ignore, because to be honest it has really upset me. And other posters applauding this post. It's out of order. But anyway.

Well then report the quoted post or PM a mod, don't make a thing of it on the thread

[Jack_]

With all due respect jack you're making the assumption that this is how all people in open relationships feel and that is just not the case, i'm sure some are how you described but I would say that in a lot of cases one person is only doing it to make the other happy/for fear of losing them if they don't/thinks would just cheat anyway. I've read countless stories to that effect about such relationships

Of course there will be some examples of that, I didn't mean 'all'. But you get the same discrepancies in normal relationships too with people forgiving their partner for cheating just because they don't want to lose them. And don't forget you're all making an assumption by saying that 'most' examples of these relationships are like this too

The point is though is that even in those instances that you describe, as sad as that may be, it is STILL the choice of said partner(s) to grant the hall pass or agree to an open relationship, if that's not what they wanted then they wouldn't or shouldn't have agreed to it. If a person is trying to hang onto someone, then as tragic as it may be, if that's what they wish to do then again that's their choice

All this is is people who couldn't agree to having hall passes and open relationships themselves criticising others for having them and basically telling them it's their way or the high way or else their relationship is disrespectful, meaningless etc etc. Which is just close minded, live and let live and allow people to conduct their relationships however they wish. They're not ours to criticise

[Vanessa]

Well then report the quoted post or PM a mod, don't make a thing of it on the thread

yes i will next time.

[Ross.]

I want him gone asap it's exhausting to hate him on here

I couldn't care less about Marco/Laura, I'd still dislike him anyway :laugh:

[Niamh.]

Of course there will be some examples of that, I didn't mean 'all'. But you get the same discrepancies in normal relationships too with people forgiving their partner for cheating just because they don't want to lose them. And don't forget you're all making an assumption by saying that 'most' examples of these relationships are like this too

The point is though is that even in those instances that you describe, as sad as that may be, it is STILL the choice of said partner(s) to grant the hall pass or agree to an open relationship, if that's not what they wanted then they wouldn't or shouldn't have agreed to it. If a person is trying to hang onto someone, then as tragic as it may be, if that's what they wish to do then again that's their choice

All this is is people who couldn't agree to having hall passes and open relationships themselves criticising others for having them and basically telling them it's their way or the high way or else their relationship is disrespectful, meaningless etc etc. Which is just close minded, live and let live and allow people to conduct their relationships however they wish. They're not ours to criticise

I'm not telling anyone it's my way or the highway, i couldn't care less what other people do in their own relationships but I can have an opinion on it especially when it's on Big Brother and we're on a forum voicing our opinions

[Josy]

No, because I'm not allowing my own personal opposition to having an open relationship or a 'hall pass' cloud my judgement of someone else's right to have one. Just because I couldn't have one, it doesn't mean I refuse to understand others wanting to. I am able to process that and not allow my personal opposition to them to take over and criticise anyone else who chooses to conduct their relationships in different ways to me.

Well it's not really up to you or me or anyone else to say that someone else's relationship is 'disrespectful' to their partner because...it isn't our relationship. The only people who can decide what's disrespectful or not is the people involved in it, because they are the ones who are a part of it :conf:

You can judge Marco's behaviour all you like, and you can criticise his and Laura's OTT dry humping too (I don't really see the point but each to their own), but you cannot criticise his and his fiancés relationship because it is not yours to decide the terms of it. What him and his fiancé say goes, and no amount of criticism from a few Big Brother fans who don't understand why anyone would agree to an open relationship or a hall pass is going to change it.

Yes but what you, I, Dave down the road and multiple others consider to be 'classy' and 'respectful' are subjective and on a sliding scale. They're concepts which aren't quantifiable so therefore they are just meaningless buzz words
Jack you are essentially saying that no one is entitled to an opinion about Marco's relationship, that's the jist of all of your posts about it on here, well I'm sorry but that's not how life works, yes people are entitled to do what they want, Marco and his fiancee are entitled to have hall passes and open relationships and so on but that doesn't mean others arent going to voice an opinion about it especially when it's being played out on a tv show we are all watching and here to talk about.

There you go again with the you can do this and you can do that, um no, you can have an opinion like everyone else but you won't tell me what I'm allowed to have an opinion on.

[Braden]

Regardless of whether has a 'hall pass' or not (the concept itself is stupid imo) he is making his fiance look like a total idiot by performing sexual acts with another female. Not to mention the fact that he's inferred he doesn't genuinely want to be with her. It's quite disgusting tbh and obviously people are going to judge him for that.

Laura is single and can't help the way she feels but she is also partly to blame. However, I don't agree with the initial statement about how Marco is taking more of the blame in comparison to her. In my opinion he should be taking most of the blame but the only place where Marco may be getting worse than Laura is on here...and despite that, Marco has a number of people who defend him on any occasion on this forum.

[Jack_]

I'm not telling anyone it's my way or the highway, i couldn't care less what other people do in their own relationships but I can have an opinion on it especially when it's on Big Brother and we're on a forum voicing our opinions

But you're not voicing your opinion on Marco as a housemate, but on the terms of his relationships with his fiancé...who isn't even in the house! If both of them have said that he has a hall pass, what he chooses to do with another woman inside the house is his choice. Criticise the OTT dry humping or his arrogant behaviour all you like, but it isn't anyone's place to comment on his actual relationship or say it's disrespectful when it isn't our relationship. This would apply whether we were talking about a TV show or someone we knew in real life. Just makes you (as in the people that do, not you specifically) look close minded

Jack you are essentially saying that no one is entitled to an opinion about Marco's relationship, that's the jist of all of your posts about it on here, well I'm sorry but that's not how life works, yes people are entitled to do what they want, Marco and his fiancee are entitled to have hall passes and open relationships and so on but that doesn't mean others arent going to voice an opinion about it especially when it's being played out on a tv show we are all watching and here to talk about.

There you go again with the you can do this and you can do that, um no, you can have an opinion like everyone else but you won't tell me what I'm allowed to have an opinion on.

Yes that's what I am saying because you're not :laugh: it isn't your relationship, it isn't mine, it isn't anyone else's. It's theirs. If they want to use hall passes or open relationships or whatever that's their prerogative and as much as you may dislike him, his arrogance, the dry humping, nobody is entitled to comment on the state of someone else's relationship or whether it's 'disrespectful' because the only people who can determine that are - shock horror - the people involved in it!

Of course I can't restrain you from actually typing your opinion out, but having an opinion on the state of someone else's relationship (especially one which you watch for 48 minutes a night on a bloody TV show and one half of said relationship isn't even on the programme) and deciding that it's disrespectful on their behalf just because you personally wouldn't ever have hall passes and open relationships of your own just makes you look a bit close minded. It's 2016 fgs, live and let live

[Niamh.]

But you're not voicing your opinion on Marco as a housemate, but on the terms of his relationships with his fiancé...who isn't even in the house! If both of them have said that he has a hall pass, what he chooses to do with another woman inside the house is his choice. Criticise the OTT dry humping or his arrogant behaviour all you like, but it isn't anyone's place to comment on his actual relationship or say it's disrespectful when it isn't our relationship. This would apply whether we were talking about a TV show or someone we knew in real life. Just makes you (as in the people that do, not you specifically) look close minded



Yes that's what I am saying because you're not :laugh: it isn't your relationship, it isn't mine, it isn't anyone else's. It's theirs. If they want to use hall passes or open relationships or whatever that's their prerogative and as much as you may dislike him, his arrogance, the dry humping, nobody is entitled to comment on the state of someone else's relationship or whether it's 'disrespectful' because the only people who can determine that are - shock horror - the people involved in it!

Of course I can't restrain you from actually typing your opinion out, but having an opinion on the state of someone else's relationship (especially one which you watch for 48 minutes a night on a bloody TV show and one half of said relationship isn't even on the programme) and deciding that it's disrespectful on their behalf just because you personally wouldn't ever have hall passes and open relationships of your own just makes you look a bit close minded. It's 2016 fgs, live and let live

I can discuss whatever the hell I want to, tyvm

[Ashley.]

There's no point in any of us responding to this thread IMO since you seem hellbent on defending Marco and shifting the blame on to other housemates when he is clearly in the wrong. You'll never stop supporting him so there's nothing we can say or agree on.

:clap1:

[LukeB]

I can discuss whatever the hell I want to, tyvm

And so you should, you're entitled to it.

[Nicky91]

I have put that poster on ignore, because to be honest it has really upset me. And other posters applauding this post. It's out of order. But anyway.

you've got a point Vanessa, i find Marco annoying, but i won't go wishing certain things :hee:


and i know we're good friends :)

[Jack_]

I can discuss whatever the hell I want to, tyvm

Great response there :unsure:

And so you should, you're entitled to it.

And I'm entitled to think it just looks like close minded personal opposition to hall passes and open relationships

But you know that anyway

[Niamh.]

Great response there :unsure:



And I'm entitled to think it just looks like close minded personal opposition to hall passes and open relationships

But you know that anyway

Yeah well, it's a deserved response to you basically telling me what i can and can't discuss regarding the HMs

[Jack_]

Yeah well, it's a deserved response to you basically telling me what i can and can't discuss regarding the HMs

Because what I'm saying is true? You've made no attempt to prove otherwise, literally just given up and thrown your proverbial toys out of the pram

I mean fair enough if you don't think it's gonna go anywhere, but you've not really done much to justify your position...and as you say, this is a forum

[LukeB]

Great response there :unsure:



And I'm entitled to think it just looks like close minded personal opposition to hall passes and open relationships

But you know that anyway

Well you're not entitled to make out Niamh and Josy can't have an opinion and have to think the same as you. It's their opinion

[Ashley.]

And I'm entitled to think it just looks like close minded personal opposition to hall passes and open relationships

But you know that anyway

Nobody's preventing you from having this opinion, so why is it that you must try to prevent others from having theirs?

[Jack_]

Well you're not entitled to make out Niamh and Josy can't have an opinion and have to think the same as you. It's their opinion

Well actually I can, because it's my opinion that nobody other than the people involved in relationships (especially ones that people watch for 48 minutes a night on a TV show) are allowed to comment on them or for that matter decide they're 'disrespectful' just because they wouldn't personally conduct their own ones in the same way

But again, you know this so :sleep:

Nobody's preventing you from having this opinion, so why is it that you must try to prevent others from having theirs?

Because it's my opinion that it's the business of no one else's but the people involved in a relationship to determine whether the terms of it are 'disrespectful' or not

[Niamh.]

Because what I'm saying is true? You've made no attempt to prove otherwise, literally just given up and thrown your proverbial toys out of the pram

I mean fair enough if you don't think it's gonna go anywhere, but you've not really done much to justify your position...and as you say, this is a forum

You've literally just told me what I am and am not allowed to talk about regarding the HMs, actually literally said that and i quote :

Criticise the OTT dry humping or his arrogant behaviour all you like, but it isn't anyone's place to comment on his actual relationship or say it's disrespectful when it isn't our relationship

and you wonder why you got that response back? Seriously?

Also, why are you asking me on the one hand to "justify my position" but on the other tell me I'm not allowed to talk about the Hall pass?

[Ammi]

...them's the 'rules' though surely, Jack...Marco is a housemate and as such, he was the one who talked about his hall pass/open relationship etc while he was in there ..and don't we discuss conversations/comments/'declarations' and all of the such that house-mates open up for us to comment on in the things they say in the house, as well as their actions in there..I mean, those are part of their actions as well, what we say is a huge part of who we are ..and with that it's opening up for judgements/criticisms as well..(I think..)...that saying that you have no right to or you shouldn't be is a closing down of ..well, points of interest and the whole thing that we're all here for...to discuss these things and share our own slant on them and what we think....

[LukeB]

Well actually I can, because it's my opinion that nobody other than the people involved in relationships (especially ones that people watch for 48 minutes a night on a TV show) are allowed to comment on them or for that matter decide they're 'disrespectful' just because they wouldn't personally conduct their own ones in the same way

But again, you know this so :sleep:

No you can't, you can't tell Josy and Niamh what to do, you can have an opinion yes but you can't forced them to do anything. If they want to have an opinion on that relationship and find it disrespectful they have the right and you can't do anything about it.

[Vanessa]

I just think Marco isn't that bad, that is all. Housemates keep talking behind his back then are nice as pie in front of him. Which i find just as immature. They could of course talk to him, but they won't. They will just isolate him because that's what a group does when they don't like someone. We have seen it over and over again. Now i need to get ready to go out, so i will see you lot tonight. I won't be able to watch the show, but will catch up when i can. :wavey:

[Jack_]

You've literally just told me what I am and am not allowed to talk about regarding the HMs, actually literally said that and i quote :

Criticise the OTT dry humping or his arrogant behaviour all you like, but it isn't anyone's place to comment on his actual relationship or say it's disrespectful when it isn't our relationship

and you wonder why you got that response back? Seriously?

Also, why are you asking me on the one hand to "justify my position" but on the other tell me I'm not allowed to talk about the Hall pass?

No I don't, because why is it yours or anyone else's place to decide that a relationship of which you're not involved in, let alone know when you watch one half of it for 48 minutes a night, is disrespectful?

I'm asking you to justify your position because I want to know how it is yours or anyone else's place. I've given you the reasons why I think it isn't and why I think it's literally just personal opposition to having one clouding people's judgement, but I'm yet to hear of any reason why people think they're entitled to comment

Saying 'coz this is a forum innit and I'll say why I effin want!' isn't really a meaningful response either is it, just childish

[Ammi]

I just think Marco isn't that bad, that is all. Housemates keep talking behind his back then are nice as pie in front of him. Which i find just as immature. They could of course talk to him, but they won't. They will just isolate him because that's what a group does when they don't like someone. We have seen it over and over again. Now i need to get ready to go out, so i will see you lot tonight. I won't be able to watch the show, but will catch up when i can. :wavey:

..yeah, you have a nice time..(wherever you're off to, Vanessa..)..:love:..

[Jack_]

No you can't, you can't tell Josy and Niamh what to do, you can have an opinion yes but you can't forced them to do anything. If they want to have an opinion on that relationship and find it disrespectful they have the right and you can't do anything about it.

Err...did you miss the part where I specifically said I can't actually physically restrain them from typing their opinion? They have the right to type whatever they wish, and I have the right to say that I think they're wrong and not entitled to comment on the state of someone else's relationship (especially one they barely know) just because they have a personal opposition to hall passes and open relationships. That is MY opinion

But for the third time, you already know this and are only jumping in because you have some kind of personal vendetta against me :rolleyes:

[Vanessa]

..yeah, you have a nice time..(wherever you're off to, Vanessa..)..:love:..

To see Coldplay

[Ammi]

To see Coldplay

..oh a bit of a contrast from watching the hot play of Marco then..:laugh:..you have a lovely time, it'll be a great gig...

[Niamh.]

No I don't, because why is it yours or anyone else's place to decide that a relationship of which you're not involved in, let alone know when you watch one half of it for 48 minutes a night, is disrespectful?

I'm asking you to justify your position because I want to know how it is yours or anyone else's place. I've given you the reasons why I think it isn't and why I think it's literally just personal opposition to having one clouding people's judgement, but I'm yet to hear of any reason why people think they're entitled to comment

Saying 'coz this is a forum innit and I'll say why I effin want!' isn't really a meaningful response either is it, just childish

No it isn't childish Jack, it's a reply you should expect to get when you speak to people like the way you speak to people sometimes, condescending and superior

In regards to your question, how does a person even answer that?, "Explain why you think it's your place to discuss this" How is it anyones place to discuss anything? What a weird thing to ask someone.

[Macie Lightfoot]

I'm not sure whether to find this thread absolutely hilarious or absolutely alarming :love: this seems like satire but I know it isn't

[Niamh.]

To see Coldplay

I'm going on Saturday!

[LukeB]

Err...did you miss the part where I specifically said I can't actually physically restrain them from typing their opinion? They have the right to type whatever they wish, and I have the right to say that I think they're wrong and not entitled to comment on the state of someone else's relationship (especially one they barely know) just because they have a personal opposition to hall passes and open relationships. That is MY opinion

But for the third time, you already know this and are only jumping in because you have some kind of personal vendetta against me :rolleyes:

But you're doing more than that though, you're telling people what they can and can't say and how they should feel. You're making people feel they can't have a certain opinion. Come off it you're not that special soz.

[Headie]

Reading this thread for a bit of daily entertainment
https://uploadir.com/u/tz35mc6z

[Withano]

No I don't, because why is it yours or anyone else's place to decide that a relationship of which you're not involved in, let alone know when you watch one half of it for 48 minutes a night, is disrespectful?

I'm asking you to justify your position because I want to know how it is yours or anyone else's place. I've given you the reasons why I think it isn't and why I think it's literally just personal opposition to having one clouding people's judgement, but I'm yet to hear of any reason why people think they're entitled to comment

Saying 'coz this is a forum innit and I'll say why I effin want!' isn't really a meaningful response either is it, just childish

Obviously Marco's relationship is obscure, people are gonna comment on it, especially on a big brother forum and especially if he and his fiance are publically talking about it too.

You can tell people you think its not their place but I think you're entirely wrong. Its not like theyre actively trying to keep it private.

[Jack_]

No it isn't childish Jack, it's a reply you should expect to get when you speak to people like the way you speak to people sometimes, condescending and superior

In regards to your question, how does a person even answer that?, "Explain why you think it's your place to discuss this" How is it anyones place to discuss anything? What a weird thing to ask someone.

Please don't try and pretend I've not been spoken down to in this thread when other people are just as guilty. Do it to me and I'll do it back, I'm certainly not the only person on here who does it and of course I think my opinion is superior, it's my damn opinion :laugh: I never understand it when people say this, it wouldn't be much of an opinion if I didn't think it was right would it?

It's not a weird question at all, I've explained why I don't think it's the business of anybody else but the people involved in a relationship (certainly one that's only on TV for 48 minutes a night and involves one half of it) to be passing judgement on it let alone calling it 'disrespectful' because they have personal opposition to hall passes and open relationships, but I'm yet to here any defence as to why it is

But you're doing more than that though, you're telling people what they can and can't say and how they should feel. You're making people feel they can't have a certain opinion. Come off it you're not that special soz.

Because for the umpteenth time, that is my opinion? I don't believe it is the place of anyone but the people involved in a relationship to be determining whether their own damn relationship is 'disrespectful' or not. That is MY opinion, you keep banging on about allowing people to have them, so why aren't I included in that?

And please, you're basically obsessed with me luv

[Tom4784]

Marco is allowed to be a wankstain and we are allowed to have an opinion on the fact that he is a wankstain.

[LukeB]

Because for the umpteenth time, that is my opinion? I don't believe it is the place of anyone but the people involved in a relationship to be determining whether their own damn relationship is 'disrespectful' or not. That is MY opinion, you keep banging on about allowing people to have them, so why aren't I included in that?

And please, you're basically obsessed with me luv

obviously it's your opinion but you can't act like their dad and stuff and try and forced them what to think.

Not really, but if you think you're god then go ahead but no one is obsessed with you. you really aint that special.

[Jack_]

Obviously Marco's relationship is obscure, people are gonna comment on it, especially on a big brother forum and especially if he and his fiance are publically talking about it too.

You can tell people you think its not their place but I think you're entirely wrong. Its not like theyre actively trying to keep it private.

Well for starters only one half of the relationship is in the house, secondly we watch the show for 48 minutes a night - I don't think we truly know anybody anymore, and lastly I fail to see how it's the place of anybody but Marco and his fiancé to determine whether the terms that they've set for their own relationship are 'disrespectful' or not? Don't you think they can decide that themselves?

All it is is people's personal opposition to hall passes and open relationships (which is fine but others are entitled to like them) and their utter dislike of Marco shining through

[Niamh.]

Please don't try and pretend I've not been spoken down to in this thread when other people are just as guilty. Do it to me and I'll do it back, I'm certainly not the only person on here who does it and of course I think my opinion is superior, it's my damn opinion :laugh: I never understand it when people say this, it wouldn't be much of an opinion if I didn't think it was right would it?

It's not a weird question at all, I've explained why I don't think it's the business of anybody else but the people involved in a relationship (certainly one that's only on TV for 48 minutes a night and involves one half of it) to be passing judgement on it let alone calling it 'disrespectful' because they have personal opposition to hall passes and open relationships, but I'm yet to here any defence as to why it is



Because for the umpteenth time, that is my opinion? I don't believe it is the place of anyone but the people involved in a relationship to be determining whether their own damn relationship is 'disrespectful' or not. That is MY opinion, you keep banging on about allowing people to have them, so why aren't I included in that?

And please, you're basically obsessed with me luv

Of course we can all discuss his bloody relationship, he's talked about it, the other HMs have talked about it, his GF has tweeted about so I'll damn well talk about it too and tbh Jack I don't fancy having a discussion with a person who basically just tells me it's not my place to talk about something and thinks that's a winning argument so yeah done with this conversation now....with you anyway :hee:

[jet]

I don't think it's the business of anybody else but the people involved in a relationship (certainly one that's only on TV for 48 minutes a night and involves one half of it) to be passing judgement on it let alone calling it 'disrespectful'

It's open field day on Marco's relationship because he's in BB and therefore has put himself on show for people to judge him and have any opinion about him they choose. It's a free country, this is a forum that respects all opinions within the rules and if we have to agree with you or anyone else who demands it then the forum night as well be shut down because there would be no discussion to have. :shrug:

[Jack_]

obviously it's your opinion but you can't act like their dad and stuff and try and forced them what to think.

Not really, but if you think you're god then go ahead but no one is obsessed with you. you really aint that special.

Forced them what to think? This is a discussion forum (which I seem to have been reminded of rather ironically several times in this thread), if I disagree with someone's position I am going to challenge it and present reasons as to why I think it's wrong. What usually follows is a counter argument as to why they think I'm wrong and thus a debate ensues. That's how forums work

Except that hasn't happened, I've given my opinion as to why I don't believe it's the place of anybody but those involved in a relationship to determine whether it's 'disrespectful' or not and that people's personal opposition to having hall passes and open relationships are clouding their judgement, but no one has told me why they are or given any kind of counter argument that's made me reassess my position, just thrown their proverbial toys out of the pram and said 'well I'm allowed an opinion!!!'...hardly a thought through response is it?

While ever you keep following me around threads pretending to disagree with me, that's not really gonna be believable but okay

[Withano]

Well for starters only one half of the relationship is in the house, secondly we watch the show for 48 minutes a night - I don't think we truly know anybody anymore, and lastly I fail to see how it's the place of anybody but Marco and his fiancé to determine whether the terms that they've set for their own relationship are 'disrespectful' or not? Don't you think they can decide that themselves?

All it is is people's personal opposition to hall passes and open relationships (which is fine but others are entitled to like them) and their utter dislike of Marco shining through


My own personal opinion is that its obscure, I'm entitled to that. Others believe its disrespectful, they're entitled to that. You are pretending that you think its irrelevant. You're entitled to that.
I know you haven't forgot how public forums work so I don't understand your anger. I think you're more mad people dislike one of your favourites than you are people discussing his relationship

[LukeB]

Forced them what to think? This is a discussion forum (which I seem to have been reminded of rather ironically several times in this thread), if I disagree with someone's position I am going to challenge it and present reasons as to why I think it's wrong. What usually follows is a counter argument as to why they think I'm wrong and thus a debate ensues. That's how forums work

Except that hasn't happened, I've given my opinion as to why I don't believe it's the place of anybody but those involved in a relationship to determine whether it's 'disrespectful' or not and that people's personal opposition to having hall passes and open relationships are clouding their judgement, but no one has told me why they are or given any kind of counter argument that's made me reassess my position, just thrown their proverbial toys out of the pram and said 'well I'm allowed an opinion!!!'...hardly a thought through response is it?

While ever you keep following me around threads pretending to disagree with me, that's not really gonna be believable but okay

I don't follow anyone i look in every activate thread so stop being silly

[Jack_]

Of course we can all discuss his bloody relationship, he's talked about it, the other HMs have talked about it, his GF has tweeted about so I'll damn well talk about it too and tbh Jack I don't fancy having a discussion with a person who basically just tells me it's not my place to talk about something and thinks that's a winning argument so yeah done with this conversation now....with you anyway :hee:

Yes because someone saying they have a hall pass and his girlfriend confirming it on a social media platform really opens the floodgates for people to say that their relationship is 'disrespectful' when it's their own. damn. relationship. Do you not think it's for the people involved in it to determine whether it is or not? We're just going around in circles here :laugh:

But I've given you reasons as to why I don't think it's your place, you've not...so...it kind of is a winning argument? If you can't justify your position then you've lost the debate really, but sure whatever

It's open field day on Marco's relationship because he's in BB and therefore has put himself on show for people to judge him and have any opinion about him they choose. It's a free country, this is a forum that respects all opinions within the rules and if we have to agree with you or anyone else who demands it then the forum night as well be shut down because there would be no discussion to have. :shrug:

Again this it's seriously ironic that I'm the one being told I'm blocking a discussion from happening when I'm the person that's encouraging one. I've given my opinion, justified it with reasons and the responses I'm receiving aren't counter arguments you'd expect on a discussion forum which you all keep wanting to mention, but rather 'this is ma opinion and I'll effin say it!!!!'. Well sure, but if someone disagrees expect to be pulled up on it, and be prepared to justify it. That is a how a discussion forum works

My own personal opinion is that its obscure, I'm entitled to that. Others believe its disrespectful, they're entitled to that. You are pretending that you think its irrelevant. You're entitled to that.
I know you haven't forgot how public forums work so I don't understand your anger. I think you're more mad people dislike one of your favourites than you are people discussing his relationship

What do you mean by 'obscure'? I understand the word just not in this context

Please don't try and make out this has anything to do with me supporting Marco (which is tenuous at best) because that implies I'm inconsistent and that is one thing I most certainly am not. I would be having this discussion regardless of who it is, I get annoyed at the principle that in 2016 people aren't allowed to have open relationships and 'hall passes' without being labelled 'disrespectful' or not 'classy' just because they personally wouldn't have one. Live and let live fgs it's not 1953 anymore

I've had this discussion several times on here even when it doesn't regard Big Brother, if someone had started a thread criticising Evelyn (I think it was) for sleeping with a married man I'd have defended her saying it's not her to blame because she wasn't in a relationship...and I think she's one of the most boring housemates in there! It has absolutely nothing to do with my favourites, this goes beyond BB, it's a social issue

[Withano]

I think you need a yoga break jack

People dislike marco, people dislike his relationship, people are allowed to discuss both of these things and more for just as long as marco and his fiance are willing to make it publically relevant.

[Ammi]

Yes because someone saying they have a hall pass and his girlfriend confirming it on a social media platform really opens the floodgates for people to say that their relationship is 'disrespectful' when it's their own. damn. relationship. Do you not think it's for the people involved in it to determine whether it is or not?


..I think that his fiancé also said that she didn't expect him to use his hall pass so soon though, Jack..and it was pretty quick..(which is also why it all seems very contrived between Marco and his fiancé to me..)....and he also added to it that they had an open relationship, which she has denied...so the very bringing up of it../the pass and the open relationship by him and some inconsistencies between them both, is surely something that is going to be discussed...and either Niamh or Josy have pondered whether his pass and the mention of an open relationship may not be so mutual, but maybe more what he wants ..so would show a very selfish and self-absorbed person, is that not something which is very relevant for discussion and indeed, criticism as well....

[hot2go]

Offer most 20 year olds a pass to something naughty and they will grab your hand off but someone like Marco ?
Far as he sees it it's a pass to the hall, the bedroom, the shower, the kitchen, the pool even the roof...his girlfriend MUST have realised that surely.

[jet]

Again this it's seriously ironic that I'm the one being told I'm blocking a discussion from happening when I'm the person that's encouraging one. I've given my opinion, justified it with reasons and the responses I'm receiving aren't counter arguments you'd expect on a discussion forum which you all keep wanting to mention, but rather 'this is ma opinion and I'll effin say it!!!!'. Well sure, but if someone disagrees expect to be pulled up on it, and be prepared to justify it. That is a how a discussion forum works

But other people have given their reasons - they think it's disrespectful; they think it's sometimes a one - person decision and the other party just goes along with it to keep seeing the person etc. You are demanding that people give you a reason WHY they think as they do, but you haven't given your reasons why YOU feel about it the way you do. You've said its nobodies business but the people involved in the relationship even though it has been made public by the Marco himself but WHY do YOU feel like that? Where did that opinion come from? That isn't so easy to explain but it's really what you are demanding of others.
Some people like a good thriller and some prefer a comedy. Some people like going to night clubs and some prefer a quiet night in with friends. Some people think hall passes are fine and some think they aren't for various reasons. People and their personal opinions are extremely complicated and how those opinions have been formed can't always be explained and articulated.

[Jack_]

..I think that his fiancé also said that she didn't expect him to use his hall pass so soon though, Jack..and it was pretty quick..(which is also why it all seems very contrived between Marco and his fiancé to me..)....and he also added to it that they had an open relationship, which she has denied...so the very bringing up of it../the pass and the open relationship by him and some inconsistencies between them both, is surely something that is going to be discussed...and either Niamh or Josy have pondered whether his pass and the mention of an open relationship may not be so mutual, but maybe more what he wants ..so would show a very selfish and self-absorbed person, is that not something which is very relevant for discussion and indeed, criticism as well....

If his fiancé turns around and says she's not happy with the way he is acting or that she didn't grant a hall pass (although she's said she did) then I'll retract and reassess my position. While ever we're under the impression that everything is above board and has been agreed to, there's nothing to criticise. That said, it would be her word against his if she decides to change her story which would make it messy but like I said, if this isn't what she agreed to then yes I'd agree it's obviously disrespectful, which I agree saying it's an open relationship if it isn't is too

Regarding whether it's what he wants though, if that is what the two of them have agreed to - that he is allowed a hall pass but she isn't - that's a mutual agreement that if she didn't want she could have refused. Do I think that's fair? No. Do I think in situations like these or fully fledged open relationships they should exist on mutually agreed terms where both parties are equals? Yes. But it isn't down to me to decide, if two people come to an agreement where it's a case of one rule for one and a different one for the other, that's their prerogative and their business and all power to them

I agree we may be looking at another Steph/Jeremy/Sam situation that's been contrived for press attention though in which case his fiancé obviously wouldn't care and all I'd really have to say is...genius job

[Jack_]

But other people have given their reasons - they think it's disrespectful; they think it's sometimes a one - person decision and the other party just goes along with it to keep seeing the person etc. You are demanding that people give you a reason WHY they think as they do, but you haven't given your reasons why YOU feel about it the way you do. You've said its nobodies business but the people involved in the relationship even though it has been made public by the Marco himself but WHY do YOU feel like that? Where did that opinion come from? That isn't so easy to explain but it's really what you are demanding of others.
Some people like a good thriller and some prefer a comedy. Some people like going to night clubs and some prefer a quiet night in with friends. Some people think hall passes are fine and some think they aren't for various reasons. People and their personal opinions are extremely complicated and how those opinions have been formed can't always be explained and articulated.

But as I keep saying and asking, how is it up to anyone else but the people involved in a relationship to determine whether it's disrespectful or not? I think Marco and his fiancé are more then capable of deciding the terms of their own relationship, they are the only ones that can actually be disrespected in this scenario after all. No one can speak for them.

If it's a one person decision and the other person has gone alone with it, then sorry but as sad as that may be, they both agreed to it. She's entitled to say no or ditch him if she chooses, and a lot of people on here have speculated she's only with him for his money and status (which I think is disrespectful in itself funnily enough), in which case what does it matter? If that's what she's doing then all power to her too

I've explained why I've held this opinion plenty of times. I don't feel it is mine or anyone else's place to determine whether someone else's relationship is 'disrespectful' just because I or someone else has a personal opposition to having hall passes and open relationships. Whether I would personally have them is irrelevant, other people are entitled to and they're entitled to have them without people saying their relationship is 'disrespectful' or effectively a shambles just because they wouldn't have one themselves, it's closed minded nonsense. I am a liberal, it is 2016 and I think we should live and let live and leave people to conduct their own relationships however they please.

[Vanessa]

Just read. On DS that Laura confirmed her and Marco did have sex. But no doubt people will say it's all his fault and ahe's a victim here. When it takes two to tango. She's going for the sympathy angle to get away with it. I hope she goes first :nono:

[Vanessa]

And it's working, because now everyone blames Marco and Laura gets away with it Scott free :mad:

[Jack_]

Vanessa stop enabling the slut shaming :nono:

Neither of them are to blame, they are consenting adults

[Niamh.]

Are they accusing Marco of raping Laura? If not then i don't see how both him and Laura aren't responsible for having sex?I'm not getting this blame him/her for thing?

[Vanessa]

Are they accusing Marco of raping Laura? If not then i don't see how both him and Laura aren't responsible for having sex?I'm not getting this blame him/her for thing?

Two days ago Bots did accuse him of coercing Laura into sex. Yesterday they were backtracking.

[Vanessa]

Vanessa stop enabling the slut shaming :nono:

Neither of them are to blame, they are consenting adults

I'm not. I think they're consenting adults and can do what they want. But Marco taking the blame pisses me off.

[Pete.]

He should be he's cheating on his fiancée and lying to Laura about being in an open relationship. Justice for Laura

[Vanessa]

Are they accusing Marco of raping Laura? If not then i don't see how both him and Laura aren't responsible for having sex?I'm not getting this blame him/her for thing?

Everywhere I read online everyone say it's his fault. I think it's unfair, that's all.

[Vanessa]

He should be he's cheating on his fiancée and lying to Laura about being in an open relationship. Justice for Laura

He still had the pass.

[Jack_]

He should be he's cheating on his fiancée and lying to Laura about being in an open relationship. Justice for Laura

He's not cheating on his fiancé if he has a hall pass which said fiancé has confirmed

[RichardG]

marco is a moron regardless of what he does with laura, get him out

[Niamh.]

Everywhere I read online everyone say it's his fault. I think it's unfair, that's all.

His fault? you make it sound like some kind of an accident :laugh: She looked into it but he did look like he was pressing things on pretty quickly, still she should have told him to back off if she wasn't into it. But anyway, she's not said he pushed her into it so no point blaming her

[jet]

But as I keep saying and asking, how is it up to anyone else but the people involved in a relationship to determine whether it's disrespectful or not? I think Marco and his fiancé are more then capable of deciding the terms of their own relationship, they are the only ones that can actually be disrespected in this scenario after all. No one can speak for them.

If it's a one person decision and the other person has gone alone with it, then sorry but as sad as that may be, they both agreed to it. She's entitled to say no or ditch him if she chooses, and a lot of people on here have speculated she's only with him for his money and status (which I think is disrespectful in itself funnily enough), in which case what does it matter? If that's what she's doing then all power to her too

I've explained why I've held this opinion plenty of times. I don't feel it is mine or anyone else's place to determine whether someone else's relationship is 'disrespectful' just because I or someone else has a personal opposition to having hall passes and open relationships. Whether I would personally have them is irrelevant, other people are entitled to and they're entitled to have them without people saying their relationship is 'disrespectful' or effectively a shambles just because they wouldn't have one themselves, it's closed minded nonsense. I am a liberal, it is 2016 and I think we should live and let live and leave people to conduct their own relationships however they please.

Yes you have, and other people have given reasons why they don't have the same opinion. But as I said above, you haven't said how you came to hold the opinion that it's no - one else's place to be critical of a relationship the person himself has made public, yet you want others to explain why they think it's disrespectful etc.
If I say that in my experience I have witnessed friends/friends of friends relationships falling apart because they thought they could handle an 'open' relationship and it always failed and led to great distress and that is why I don't think they are a good idea; that I have personally witnessed having respect for each other leads to a more loving and fulfilling relationship that lasts - is that more what you are looking for - reasons why we think like we do? Or not? :puzzled:

[Pete.]

He still had the pass.

He's not cheating on his fiancé if he has a hall pass which said fiancé has confirmed

Me caring it's cheating in my eyes, it's clear they don't have a strong relationship anyway

[Vanessa]

His fault? you make it sound like some kind of an accident :laugh: She looked into it but he did look like he was pressing things on pretty quickly, still she should have told him to back off if she wasn't into it. But anyway, she's not said he pushed her into it so no point blaming her

I think there's no one to blame. They're consenting adults :shrug:

[Jack_]

Me caring it's cheating in my eyes, it's clear they don't have a strong relationship anyway

But it isn't cheating, you can pretend it is because you hate Marco all you like, it doesn't make it cheating :laugh:

[Vanessa]

Laura playing the victim does piss me off no end.

[jet]

Everywhere I read online everyone say it's his fault. I think it's unfair, that's all.

They are 2 consenting adults having sex so it's not his fault. However all along I think Marco drove the relationship because he is a very dominant personality whereas Laura seems more compliant, which occurs a lot in relationships anyway.

[Niamh.]

Laura playing the victim does piss me off no end.

how is she playing the victim though?

[Vanessa]

how is she playing the victim though?

Trying to get people to feel sorry for her.

[Vanessa]

They are 2 consenting adults having sex so it's not his fault. However all along I think Marco drove the relationship because he is a very dominant personality whereas Laura seems more compliant, which occurs a lot in relationships anyway.

It just pisses me off people saying it's his fault when they're two contenting adults.

[Jack_]

Yes you have, and other people have given reasons why they don't have the same opinion. But as I said above, you haven't said how you came to hold the opinion that it's no - one else's place to be critical of a relationship the person himself has made public, yet you want others to explain why they think it's disrespectful etc.
If I say that in my experience I have witnessed friends/friends of friends relationships falling apart because they thought they could handle an 'open' relationship and it always failed and led to great distress and that is why I don't think they are a good idea; that I have personally witnessed having respect for each other leads to a more loving and fulfilling relationship that lasts - is that more what you are looking for - reasons why we think like we do? Or not? :puzzled:

I hold the opinion because I've never understood why people think it's their business to be commenting on the relationships of other people unless asked by them to do so. Participating in a TV show doesn't change that either, by 'making it public' all they've done is have one half say on a programme that runs for 48 minutes a night that he has a hall pass, and the other half day on a social media platform that the hall pass does indeed exist. It's not like we know the ins and outs of their relationship is it, certainly nowhere near enough to determine whether either of them are being disrespected? Unless people have access to a 24/7 live feed of them in their daily lives that I'm not aware about? I always say the same thing about other high profile relationships or ones which make the news, it is no one's business for example who's to blame for Calvin Harris and Taylor Swift breaking up or who was 'disrespected' (if anyone) there, it's no ones business to comment on a young man being in a relationship with an older women or vice versa (that 'age gap love' ****). It's their choice, their business and their relationship. Live and let live and leave people to determine what goes on in their own relationships

Not really, because while you may know people for whom open relationships haven't worked, I and others may do. This of course works vice versa but regardless of who and what we know, our experiences are not universal either way. We only know and have experienced a tiny percentage of the overall existence of them, it is impossible to make a judgement on every single open relationship to ever exist.

For some they work, for some they don't. But neither you nor I know the ins and outs of those we are not close to, so it impossible and totally not our place to be saying that it's 'disrespectful', that is for the people involved in it to decide

[VanessaFeltz.]

Marco is the cheating one so he should get the most hate.

Although they are both disgusting people so i dont care

[Gypsy]

He is hardly taking all the blame lol

Why do you keep defending the vile creep

[Jack_]

Marco is the cheating one so he should get the most hate.

Although they are both disgusting people so i dont care

but HE IS NOT CHEATING

[Kazanne]

He is hardly taking all the blame lol

Why do you keep defending the vile creep

Vanessa likes him,which she is entitalled to do, just because you call him a vile creep doesn't make him so

[Kazanne]

Marco is the cheating one so he should get the most hate.

Although they are both disgusting people so i dont care

Here we go again ,how is he cheating ?

[Drew.]

Hopefully 9 pages on we've all come to the conclusion he's a cheat

[VanessaFeltz.]

but HE IS NOT CHEATING

Here we go again ,how is he cheating ?


I really dont care about their "open relationship" if you are in a relationship you shouldnt **** other people specially 2 days after going into the house. If his fiance actually is okay with this then i pity her as well.

It is very disgusting anyways cheating or not.

[Gypsy]

his fiancee has denied they're in an open relationship so there you go

he is a liar and a cheat!

not that his engagement was going to last long anyway I'm sure it's one of many

marco is just a weirdo, clearly drugged up and I'd feel so uncomfortable around him

[Jack_]

his fiancee has denied they're in an open relationship so there you go

he is a liar and a cheat!

not that his engagement was going to last long anyway I'm sure it's one of many

marco is just a weirdo, clearly drugged up and I'd feel so uncomfortable around him

But she's also confirmed she granted him a hall pass, which effectively means he can do what he wants while he's in the house. Until she says she's not happy with the way he's acting, by definition he is not cheating

This forum doesn't really know what cheating actually is does it

[Headie]

It's funny how pressed everyone's getting when both of these will be out in 2 weeks time anywayhttps://67.media.tumblr.com/e1442d59c52b4355391ee7c5d0c904e7/tumblr_o8tcx0PAFv1v9roxto8_250.gif

[Vanessa]

:facepalm:

[Headie]

https://66.media.tumblr.com/29f9b86f419acba9ee05c64ef77cb1cf/tumblr_o8s63rV1N01vv9rhco1_540.jpg

[Samm]

It's funny how pressed everyone's getting when both of these will be out in 2 weeks time anywayhttps://67.media.tumblr.com/e1442d59c52b4355391ee7c5d0c904e7/tumblr_o8tcx0PAFv1v9roxto8_250.gif

Agreed not even bad, ready for marco to be the first ever first male evicteehttps://67.media.tumblr.com/e1442d59c52b4355391ee7c5d0c904e7/tumblr_o8tcx0PAFv1v9roxto8_250.gif

[Braden]

I didn't even now that a 'hall pass' was a thing when it comes to relationships.

[Glenn.]

Why is anyone defending Marco lmao. He's repulsive

[jet]

I hold the opinion because I've never understood why people think it's their business

You aren't understanding what I mean when I ask WHY you hold that particular opinion, but maybe I'm not putting it well due to a migraine today so I'll give up on that one.

Participating in a TV show doesn't change that either

Of course it does. Why have a BB at all (and forums) if we can't comment and have opinions on every aspect of what we hear, including their relationships. The HM's know this, Marco would know this. By saying he has a hall pass he's inviting opinions and comments, that's what people do. He and his 'fiance' could have pretended they had broken up so he could mess about in the house without any criticism or he could just have kept his hands to himself. But no, a 'hall pass' causes more controversy and speculation, which is exactly want he wants or he wouldn't have been so keen to put it out there on day one. Haven't you noticed what an attention seeker he is?

totally not our place to be saying that it's 'disrespectful', that is for the people involved in it to decide

What does it matter what other people think if the people involved are happy with the relationship anyway?
So is it just hall passes and other peoples relationships that its not our place to decide on, or is does this apply to other opinions about the HM's? :hee:

[Cherie]

I didn't even now that a 'hall pass' was a thing when it comes to relationships.

Is it an American expression, never heard of it

[VanessaFeltz.]

If they dont want to be talked about then they shouldnt go into bb house. Simple as that

[Glenn.]

They're both repulsive and don't deserve the attention they're craving.

[jet]

tbh I think this whole hall pass stuff and Marco practically jumping on the first willing girl is all a plan conjured up to be talked about, get attention - good or bad - cause ripples, get a tabloid deal etc. He wants to be NOTICED by a wider audience and he'll do anything to achieve it. So I wouldn't get too worked up about people criticising him. He's getting what he wants. :shrug:
He repulses me but I feel a bit sorry for him...

[Vanessa]

I can't believe this thread is still going :laugh:

[Speedster]

https://66.media.tumblr.com/29f9b86f419acba9ee05c64ef77cb1cf/tumblr_o8s63rV1N01vv9rhco1_540.jpg


:joker:

[Jack_]

It's funny how pressed everyone's getting when both of these will be out in 2 weeks time anywayhttps://67.media.tumblr.com/e1442d59c52b4355391ee7c5d0c904e7/tumblr_o8tcx0PAFv1v9roxto8_250.gif

Not if #RigItForMarco2016 rightfully occurs

You aren't understanding what I mean when I ask WHY you hold that particular opinion, but maybe I'm not putting it well due to a migraine today so I'll give up on that one.

Of course it does. Why have a BB at all (and forums) if we can't comment and have opinions on every aspect of what we hear, including their relationships. The HM's know this, Marco would know this. By saying he has a hall pass he's inviting opinions and comments, that's what people do. He and his 'fiance' could have pretended they had broken up so he could mess about in the house without any criticism or he could just have kept his hands to himself. But no, a 'hall pass' causes more controversy and speculation, which is exactly want he wants or he wouldn't have been so keen to put it out there on day one. Haven't you noticed what an attention seeker he is?

What does it matter what other people think if the people involved are happy with the relationship anyway?
So is it just hall passes and other peoples relationships that its not our place to decide on, or is does this apply to other opinions about the HM's? :hee:

Big Brother exists for us to comment on the goings on with the housemates inside the house, not outside of it. That's the point of the show, it's the same debate that was being had regarding the Andrew tweets. Marco may have mentioned the hall pass he's been given by his fiancé, and said fiancé may have confirmed that on Twitter, but she is not in the house and thus we are not watching their relationship, we know nothing about the ins and outs of it whatsoever because we've never watched them together.

Because it's not nice for the people involved to have judgement passed on their relationship when they've not put their relationship up to be commented on since they're not in the house together. It's especially not nice for his poor fiancé to basically be called a gold digger or that she needs to love herself or that she's being disrespected, when did she offer herself up to he judged? I don't recall her being a housemate. Comment on the housemates behaviour by all means (so his arrogance, the dry humping with Laura), that is precisely the point of the show's existence, but I don't see how a relationship we've never witnessed is a part of that.

[jet]

I can't believe this thread is still going :laugh:

You gave us all a lot of work today Vanessa. :hehe:

[Vanessa]

You gave us all a lot of work today Vanessa. :hehe:

See? If Marco goes what will we talk about? Most of the threads are about him, even if some not directly :joker:

[Vanessa]

It's good to have a debate anyway and whatever happens on Friday at least Marco gave us a lot to talk about :laugh:

[jet]

[QUOTE]Big Brother exists for us to comment on the goings on with the housemates inside the house, not outside of it.

That's something else we disagree on, but we've been there, done that.


That's the point of the show, it's the same debate that was being had regarding the Andrew tweets. Marco may have mentioned the hall pass he's been given by his fiancé, and said fiancé may have confirmed that on Twitter, but she is not in the house and thus we are not watching their relationship, we know nothing about the ins and outs of it whatsoever because we've never watched them together.

Then Marco shouldn't have put it put there to be commented on because it sure as hell was going to be. People aren't going to change what they do every series to suit Marco. Besides, I'm convinced it was all a plan to get attention and controversy and we are doing exactly what he wants anyway.

I don't see how a relationship we've never witnessed is a part of that.
People are mostly only giving their opinion on what they do know; that Marco has a hall pass but it isn't an open relationship; that he practically jumped on the nearest willing girl; that he now wants to be as 'free as a bird' and not be engaged any more. It's human nature to think "I wonder what the fiance really thinks about all that" etc.
Anyway, this hamster wheel is getting creaky and I've no oil left....:laugh:

[wendywillow]

hasn't laura seen the show? she should know hooking up with a (semi) attached guy will have her set for early departure, also the uk usually guns for a good looking girl early on anyway....

[chuff me dizzy]

IMO Lauras is worse than him,she heard his name and saw £$ signs

[Vanessa]

IMO Lauras is worse than him,she heard his name and saw £$ signs

I agree and this is why I don't like her.

[VanessaFeltz.]

I agree and this is why I don't like her.

Girl you just want to take her place thats why you dont like her :hehe:

[chuff me dizzy]

I agree and this is why I don't like her.

I cannot bear to look or listen to her, or any of the women in there, only one I half like out the females is Jayne,I didn't watch for 3 days ,as i couldn't bear it,but watched last 2 nights and fast forward the stupid bits, IMO its the worst BB ever ,and Ive seen every series since it started

[sampvt]

She is like a pre war semi. looks interesting downstairs but been knocked about a bit, lovely upstairs but needs worked on and in the attic very vacant and dull in need of restoration

[Vanessa]

Girl you just want to take her place thats why you dont like her :hehe:

No, she's just using him.

[Garfie]

Yet Marco's just an innocent victim in all this...Get real.

He's an insincere user that doesn't have any respect for women, has the temperament of a child and only thinks with his dick. He's a charmless annoying ingrate that hasn't provided any entertainment and think he's the center of the universe because his dad is rich.

He didn't even take two seconds to think of his 'fiance' he was making moves on the first night. He obviously doesn't care about anyone other than himself and his needs.

:clap1: Absolutely. Spot on, Dezzy.

[Braden]

Is it an American expression, never heard of it

No idea, Cherie :p I think it's more of a 'let me call it a 'hall pass' because I'm going to do it anyway' kind of thing tbh.

[Garfie]

...oh so much this, Armand...:worship:..I doubt that Marco has taken 'all of the blame' for anything in his life or any responsibility whatsoever for anything he does../any of his actions...he seems to completely have a child's thought process and lacking any responsibility or commitment and certainly not in any type of committed relationship...(whatever the 'agreements' of that relationship may be...)...I don't have any thoughts about his fiancé because she knows who he is/what he is and has chosen to be with him and I don't have any thoughts about Laura because she's making her choices in the house as well...(and seems to have an equal child thought process as Marco..)...the whole 'storyline' from all of them seems incredibly contrived and I personally find it just completely boring and have no interest at all...other than the fact that it's taking up more air-time than it deserves....

:clap1:

[Garfie]

I'm not telling anyone it's my way or the highway, i couldn't care less what other people do in their own relationships but I can have an opinion on it especially when it's on Big Brother and we're on a forum voicing our opinions

:clap1:

[Garfie]

Jack you are essentially saying that no one is entitled to an opinion about Marco's relationship, that's the jist of all of your posts about it on here, well I'm sorry but that's not how life works, yes people are entitled to do what they want, Marco and his fiancee are entitled to have hall passes and open relationships and so on but that doesn't mean others arent going to voice an opinion about it especially when it's being played out on a tv show we are all watching and here to talk about.

There you go again with the you can do this and you can do that, um no, you can have an opinion like everyone else but you won't tell me what I'm allowed to have an opinion on.

:clap1:

Absolutely spot on. Well said.

Jack does make some relevant points but, essentially, if you put your life on display (on BB, social media, etc) you are choosing to share it with others, and it is human nature to have an opinion on it. Others don't have to agree with it, but that view is still valid. Marco has shared all this info on BB, and Josy, you, I and everyone else is entitled to discuss it on a forum which is designed to allow members to do that.

[Garfie]

But you're not voicing your opinion on Marco as a housemate, but on the terms of his relationships with his fiancé...who isn't even in the house! If both of them have said that he has a hall pass, what he chooses to do with another woman inside the house is his choice. Criticise the OTT dry humping or his arrogant behaviour all you like, but it isn't anyone's place to comment on his actual relationship or say it's disrespectful when it isn't our relationship. This would apply whether we were talking about a TV show or someone we knew in real life. Just makes you (as in the people that do, not you specifically) look close minded



Yes that's what I am saying because you're not :laugh: it isn't your relationship, it isn't mine, it isn't anyone else's. It's theirs. If they want to use hall passes or open relationships or whatever that's their prerogative and as much as you may dislike him, his arrogance, the dry humping, nobody is entitled to comment on the state of someone else's relationship or whether it's 'disrespectful' because the only people who can determine that are - shock horror - the people involved in it!

Of course I can't restrain you from actually typing your opinion out, but having an opinion on the state of someone else's relationship (especially one which you watch for 48 minutes a night on a bloody TV show and one half of said relationship isn't even on the programme) and deciding that it's disrespectful on their behalf just because you personally wouldn't ever have hall passes and open relationships of your own just makes you look a bit close minded. It's 2016 fgs, live and let live

But this is your opinion Jack. I think the problem is when you state your opinion as if it is fact.

[smudgie]

Naughty Marco, been dipping his wick where he shouldn't.
Well,if you believe all the hype about him being engaged and having a hall pass.
All just another. storyline by the look of it, publicity stunt, more chance of the fiancé being his agent and Laura and Marco already having a fling before they went into the house.

[Vanessa]

Naughty Marco, been dipping his wick where he shouldn't.
Well,if you believe all the hype about him being engaged and having a hall pass.
All just another. storyline by the look of it, publicity stunt, more chance of the fiancé being his agent and Laura and Marco already having a fling before they went into the house.

Could be. Another Jezza and Steph :facepalm::joker:

[Garfie]

Forced them what to think? This is a discussion forum (which I seem to have been reminded of rather ironically several times in this thread), if I disagree with someone's position I am going to challenge it and present reasons as to why I think it's wrong. What usually follows is a counter argument as to why they think I'm wrong and thus a debate ensues. That's how forums work

Except that hasn't happened, I've given my opinion as to why I don't believe it's the place of anybody but those involved in a relationship to determine whether it's 'disrespectful' or not and that people's personal opposition to having hall passes and open relationships are clouding their judgement, but no one has told me why they are or given any kind of counter argument that's made me reassess my position, just thrown their proverbial toys out of the pram and said 'well I'm allowed an opinion!!!'...hardly a thought through response is it?

While ever you keep following me around threads pretending to disagree with me, that's not really gonna be believable but okay

From an objective point of view- I am fairly new to the forum and, therefore, have no allegiance to anyone on here- I think other people on here have explained their reasoning, but you are either not hearing it or accepting it- no-one should have to explain themselves again and again when they have made their point, just because it doesn't agree with yours.

[Vanessa]

Can't believe this discussion is still going. :umm2::laugh:

[Daniel-X]

Yeah, it's all her fault! Little Marco has a 'hall pass' from his fiancée so that's fine. He's such a crazy and reckless legend! Not like any other HM we've ever had! Laura should be taking all the blame! She made him kiss her, she made him do foreplay with a belt, she made him suck her nipples and she made him have sex with her!

Jeez Vanessa, I like you but you're crush on Marco seems to warp your vision of what's going and skew your moral compass. They're both to blame, Laura's getting NEARLY ALL the flack for the situation if you notice.

[Daniel-X]

It's the prehistoric misogynstic view people seem to still behold for some reason. If you're a girl and you sleep around you're a wench and deserve any kind of consequence that comes to you. If you're a man and you sleep around you deserve a congratulations for being a 'LAD' and getting as many girls as you can.

It's one of the most idiotic views that society holds.

[Tom4784]

Both to blame for being idiots but I'd place more blame at Marco's door for lying about his circumstances to get what he wanted.

[Jack Torrance]

And Laura getting away with it scott free : the poor little innocent victim of big bad Marco :bored:

I do think he could be a fantastic housemate if he calmed down, but he needs to stay away from Laura.

Once again, it's not Mr Gloryhole competition. Marco is vile pervert. I do understand that you want him so bad, but he ain't nothing but trash. Rich spoiled brat.

[Kazanne]

Once again, it's not Mr Gloryhole competition. Marco is vile pervert. I do understand that you want him so bad, but he is nothing but trash.

How is he a pervert ? give your head a wobble

[Vanessa]

Yeah, it's all her fault! Little Marco has a 'hall pass' from his fiancée so that's fine. He's such a crazy and reckless legend! Not like any other HM we've ever had! Laura should be taking all the blame! She made him kiss her, she made him do foreplay with a belt, she made him suck her nipples and she made him have sex with her!

Jeez Vanessa, I like you but you're crush on Marco seems to warp your vision of what's going and skew your moral compass. They're both to blame, Laura's getting NEARLY ALL the flack for the situation if you notice.

As far as I see it it's consenting adults. So fine by me. I just don't like Laura trying to throw Marco under a bus to try and shift blame.