Big Brother US 18 Live Feed Discussion Thread

[LukeB]

Paulie tried to play Frank's game when he already saw it fail with the same people. That's got great gameplay.

and I know Raph gave a half-assed explanation about mannerisms once, but I'm pretty sure you just harped on about how it's your opinion so let it be? and then something about how you don't judge BBUS HGs on their behavior, which really seems like a cop out to still like Paulie since you literally criticize Aaryn every chance you get.

nope I've explained once before... so selective reading. Aaryn was awful, her comments are more awful, very unlikable and one of the worst hms to ever play BBUS. Paulie never offended me unlike Aaryn has.

[Macie Lightfoot]

and, like, taking umbridge with Bronte making a racist remark and rolling your eyes at Natalie asking if Asian is a minority while simultaneously ignoring/defending Paulie's treatment of women because "everyone says bad things on BBUS" and "he wasn't serious" is kiiiiinda fishy. It just makes it seem like you try to make your preseason rankings a self-fulfilling prophecy. Like, you ranked people Paulie and Bridgette high so you're gonna love them no matter what. You ranked people like Bronte and Natalie low so you're gonna nitpick and find reasons to dislike them as the season unfolds.

[LukeB]

and, like, taking umbridge with Bronte making a racist remark and rolling your eyes at Natalie asking if Asian is a minority while simultaneously ignoring/defending Paulie's treatment of women because "everyone says bad things on BBUS" and "he wasn't serious" is kiiiiinda fishy. It just makes it seem like you try to make your preseason rankings a self-fulfilling prophecy. Like, you ranked people Paulie and Bridgette high so you're gonna love them no matter what. You ranked people like Bronte and Natalie low so you're gonna nitpick and find reasons to dislike them as the season unfolds.

I wasn't ignoring it though? I said 800 times that I don't condone his comments lol. Don't pretend you don't nitpick to find reasons to dislike others. If Nicole or someone you dislike said something not nice you would be the first person to post it on here. You wouldn't dare to post anything bad Natalie has said or others who you like. I was going to post how James is being big headed(i like james) before you tried to say I was obsessed with Natalie because I posted on what she has said on live feeds because this is a live feed thread. I just find Paulie more likeable, genuine, I like his game play, like how he loves this game so much. His comments are bad but I find some comments/behavior more worst. I even began to like Frank too. I've heard Da'vonne said some ignorant comment about Audrey but I still like her whether it's true or not.

[AarynGriesfan]

Jersey doesn't even like paulie that much why did you bring him into it :joker: you only like Natalie because she's a pretty girl and thats probably why you like aaryn gries... Who was racist/homophobic/horrible/nasty so who are you to judge others. Get a grip

Natalie wasn't even my preseason favorite she was even below Frank at point. I started liking her more when it became clear that she was a super sweet girl that is a lot more game smart then I was giving her credit for at the start. Michelle was my #2 at the start and I don't find Michelle attractive at all but what I do like about her is her sense of humor. I found her more entertaining to watch then basically anyone in the house. I also totally abandoned my preseason favorite because she is a massive let down and she would be a lot lower on my list if the Paulie's and Corey Brooks of the world didn't exist.

[JerseyWins]

I wasn't ignoring it though? I said 800 times that I don't condone his comments lol. Don't pretend you don't nitpick to find reasons to dislike others. If Nicole or someone you dislike said something not nice you would be the first people to post it on here. You wouldn't dare to post anything bad Natalie has said or others who you like. I was going to post how James is being big headed(i like james) before you tried to say I was obsessed with Natalie because I posted on what she has said on live feeds because this is a live feed thread. I just find Paulie more likeable, genuine, I like his game play, like how he loves this game so much. His comments are bad but I find some comments/behavior more worst. I even began to like Frank too. I've heard Da'vonne said some ignorant comment about Audrey but I still like her whether it's true or not.
:clap1: People were nitpicking on Paulie since the beginning then he actually made an ass out of himself months later. (sure you could justify not liking him for other reasons before then but people were nitpicking since day 1 - even since before the season started for being Cody's brother :joker:)

[reece(:]

Paulie was my 2nd fave until he outed himself as a **** and worse than his brother.

[JerseyWins]

Anyway, it's bad that even when this should be a good week for me (results-wise) if James or Meech go, I'm still so bored of this season at this point to even put the feeds on. :shrug:

[SoberLikeGizmo]

Yeah paulie was okay but he showed what a sexist twat he wasaid

I liked natalie but now dislike her as I think she likes to play the victim card all the time

I think Paul has been a twat and his past comments have been horrible as well but too me he is the only root able one left as I think he is actually trying to play to win.

[LukeB]

:clap1: People were nitpicking on Paulie since the beginning then he actually made an ass out of himself months later. (sure you could justify not liking him for other reasons before then but people were nitpicking since day 1 - even since before the season started for being Cody's brother :joker:)

I remember when he was confronting Frank and got made out to be a villain then haha. He was only vile for like his final week. People like Aaryn KKK,Evil Dick and Frankie were vile throughout their stay and their actions/comments were way more awful. Cody seemed like a nice guy who made a bad move but I respect his loyalty to Derrick so i don't get the dislike towards him.

[LukeB]

I liked natalie but now dislike her as I think she likes to play the victim card all the time

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I don't even hate her but playing victim and accusing people of serious things annoys me. Sexual harassment is actually a serious accusation that could damage someones reputation that could lose them their jobs etc if it was taken further. That's not a nice thing to do.

[LukeB]

But yeah... James said he knows Julie is going to call his name when Julie reveals the top 3 of AFP.

[Macie Lightfoot]

I remember when he was confronting Frank and got made out to be a villain then haha. He was only vile for like his final week. People like Aaryn KKK,Evil Dick and Frankie were vile throughout their stay and their actions/comments were way more awful. Cody seemed like a nice guy who made a bad move but I respect his loyalty to Derrick so i don't get the dislike towards him.

well his "confrontation" singularly blamed Da'Vonne for being emotional bc she was missing her daughter, and then he would reference this weeks later as evidence that he's a good guy so it was entirely self-serving if you ask me.

[Peppermint]

I recently came to the sad realization that the Raph's/ LukeB/JerseyWins of the world are the reason why BB loves to cast the Paulie's of the world on the show which basically ensures that we will get a lousy white male winner almost every season. :(
I think it'd more of a 'sad realization' if people thought that everybody should have the same opinions as themselves because that'd be boring as ****. Debating is cool, I don't see the issue.

and, like, taking umbridge with Bronte making a racist remark and rolling your eyes at Natalie asking if Asian is a minority while simultaneously ignoring/defending Paulie's treatment of women because "everyone says bad things on BBUS" and "he wasn't serious" is kiiiiinda fishy. It just makes it seem like you try to make your preseason rankings a self-fulfilling prophecy. Like, you ranked people Paulie and Bridgette high so you're gonna love them no matter what. You ranked people like Bronte and Natalie low so you're gonna nitpick and find reasons to dislike them as the season unfolds.
I think everybody at some point, is guilty of this. Everyone is also biased towards their favourites to an extent and probably excuse some of their behaviour and continue to support them (I know I do for sure). Same goes for vice versa, when someone they don't like does something terrible, they ensure to capitalize on it and post about it at every given opportunity to make them look as bad as possible.

:clap1: People were nitpicking on Paulie since the beginning then he actually made an ass out of himself months later. (sure you could justify not liking him for other reasons before then but people were nitpicking since day 1 - even since before the season started for being Cody's brother :joker:)
This is so true.

[Macie Lightfoot]

I think any pre-season disdain for Paulie because he's Cody's brother came from the fact that Cody was a nobody on the worst season of the show who is only slightly remembered for making one of the dumbest moves in BB history.

[SoberLikeGizmo]

I think any pre-season disdain for Paulie because he's Cody's brother came from the fact that Cody was a nobody on the worst season of the show who is only slightly remembered for making one of the dumbest moves in BB history.

4th worst according to TIBB :hee:

[MB.]

The fact that we're even having to debate whether Paulie is worthy of disdain or not shows that TiBB's taste isn't always the greatest

[Macie Lightfoot]

Nicole won POV lmfao

[Macie Lightfoot]

Stay/fold counting comp

[Jack_]

lol imagine if Nicole went on a comp run and won the season

[Macie Lightfoot]

she's Grodner's ideal woman so we should prepare ourselves.

[LukeB]

Does Nicole even have the jury votes? Anyone can win over her.

[Jack_]

idk if I posted it anywhere for proof and all but before the season I did think she could be a contender tbh

[Macie Lightfoot]

at this point I think I'm rooting for Victor to win out of all the realistic options bc BBUS really deserves a winner who was evicted twice in the same season :love:

[Wizard.]

Does Nicole even have the jury votes? Anyone can win over her.

She would only have Corey and Paulie as a definite. There's no way Day, Bridge, Michelle, Natalie would vote for her and James & Z could swing but idk depends who she is up against. She can only win up against Corey I imagine.

[LukeB]

I think James will win.. it's hard to tell now.

[LukeB]

She would only have Corey and Paulie as a definite. There's no way Day, Bridge, Michelle, Natalie would vote for her and James & Z could swing but idk depends who she is up against. She can only win up against Corey I imagine.

I honestly think Corey will win over Nicole.

[JerseyWins]

I think Nicole would 100% win over Corey. Probably anyone wins over Corey.

[AarynGriesfan]

Nicole winning this HoH and veto pretty much just insured that she will not win Big Brother. The jury besides Paulie and potentially Corey would never vote for as is and now Natalie Michelle and James will not be voting for her. The only person she could possibly beat is Corey and that at this point is a huge maybe. And the odds of her getting to the end with Corey is very astronomically small. Plus leaving Paul and Victor in makes it even tougher to win Hoh and Pov in the future further making this move even dumber. Just stick to getting f'd by Corey because that's all you are good at.

[Peppermint]

This jury seem like they're gonna be bitter as hell so I think it could potentially be hard to call depending on who is in the finale.

Likelihood of winning imo: Paul > Michelle (ignoring the fact she will probably be evicted this week) > James > Nicole > Victor (idk if people would vote for a returnee?) > Natalie > Corey.

[AarynGriesfan]

Natalie shot at winning jury votes 50000 times better than Nicole's chances at winning jury votes. Victor for whatever reason seems well liked so I think his chances of winning are way greater than Nicole's as well.

[JerseyWins]

Nicole winning this HoH and veto pretty much just insured that she will not win Big Brother. The jury besides Paulie and potentially Corey would never vote for as is and now Natalie Michelle and James will not be voting for her. The only person she could possibly beat is Corey and that at this point is a huge maybe. And the odds of her getting to the end with Corey is very astronomically small. Plus leaving Paul and Victor in makes it even tougher to win Hoh and Pov in the future further making this move even dumber. Just stick to getting f'd by Corey because that's all you are good at.
They would not vote for her because she took one of them out this week?

Also a bit of a side note but... Nicole is playing a solid game this time around and not dirty either so I can't see the bitterness towards her aside from maybe someone like Meech. Just because she's playing the game with a guy (/some guys) doesn't mean she's throwing her game away. It's the opposite. It's how she might actually get to the end and win despite being a decently big target since the start.

[AarynGriesfan]

They would not vote for her because she took them out?

Also a bit of a side note but... Nicole is playing a solid game this time around and not dirty either so I can't see the bitterness towards her aside from maybe someone like Meech. Just because she's playing the game with a guy (/some guys) doesn't mean she's throwing her game away. It's the opposite. It's how she might actually get to the end and win despite being a decently big target since the start.

Michelle hates Nicole do you think she would award her vote especially after this? Natalie is bff with Michelle do you think Natalie is going to appreciate being lied to and betrayed? James will do whatever Natalie tells him to do so good bye jury votes.

[AarynGriesfan]

They would not vote for her because she took one of them out this week?

Also a bit of a side note but... Nicole is playing a solid game this time around and not dirty either so I can't see the bitterness towards her aside from maybe someone like Meech. Just because she's playing the game with a guy (/some guys) doesn't mean she's throwing her game away. It's the opposite. It's how she might actually get to the end and win despite being a decently big target since the start.

I liked Nicole a lot coming into this season ranked her #1 in my favorite player polls for a good part of the early season. But I don't see how anyone could say with a straight face that she is playing a good game.

[DouglasS]

I can't stand Nicole. I really hope she doesn't win.

I'm basically rooting for ANYONE bar Nicole and Corey.

Will Victor have a good claim to win with being evicted twice... hmm..

I think Paul and Michelle are the most popular with the Jury, but sadly Michelle is going to be evicted because Nicole is jealous of her and her popularity. It's like BB16 again with Nicole being jealous of Brittany and Amber, and Nicole wanting a house full of men as she hates all females /;

[JerseyWins]

1) Natalie said she's voting for a girl no matter what. 2) Taking someone out =/= losing their jury vote. She's not playing any more dirty than James & Natalie were last week. (if she leaves noms the same then James probably won't even be mad at her at all for taking out Meech)

[AarynGriesfan]

I can't stand Nicole. I really hope she doesn't win.

I'm basically rooting for ANYONE bar Nicole and Corey.

Will Victor have a good claim to win with being evicted twice... hmm..

I think Paul and Michelle are the most popular with the Jury, but sadly Michelle is going to be evicted because Nicole is jealous of her and her popularity. It's like BB16 again with Nicole being jealous of Brittany and Amber, and Nicole wanting a house full of men as she hates all females /;

The funny part is if Michelle and Natalie end up on the jury then 5 girls will be on the jury thus ensuring she loses unless she sits next to Corey and the girls decide they dislike Corey more.

[AarynGriesfan]

1) Natalie said she's voting for a girl no matter what. 2) Taking someone out =/= losing their jury vote. She's not playing any more dirty than James & Natalie were last week. (if she leaves noms the same then James probably won't even be mad at her at all for taking out Meech)

Natalie has already said that girl thing doesn't apply to Nicole lol. James might not be mad about this but he still will do whatever Natalie tells him to do so that doesn't even matter lol.

[JerseyWins]

http://content.onlinebigbrother.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Big-Brother-18-2016-07-08-08-56-20-376.jpg

[LukeB]

I'm praying Nicole uses veto on Paul
https://66.media.tumblr.com/3e454c1e9ec6a1ce60d70edfe5c62982/tumblr_inline_ocleclqUgx1uocsd8_500.gif

[Wizard.]

I honestly think Victor and Michelle are the most liked in the jury house (ignoring Paulie)

[AarynGriesfan]

I honestly think Victor and Michelle are the most liked in the jury house (ignoring Paulie)

I could see that. I would add Natalie to that list as well.

[JerseyWins]

I'm praying Nicole uses veto on Paul
https://66.media.tumblr.com/3e454c1e9ec6a1ce60d70edfe5c62982/tumblr_inline_ocleclqUgx1uocsd8_500.gif
LOL crazy coincidence, I was actually just looking for a GIF of this to use in my sig.

I would've just used this one if I saw it first. :joker:

[Jack_]

I still wouldn't be surprised if Paul leaves this week, that's just the kind of thing this **** season would do to me :rolleyes:

[AarynGriesfan]

I'm praying Nicole uses veto on Paul
https://66.media.tumblr.com/3e454c1e9ec6a1ce60d70edfe5c62982/tumblr_inline_ocleclqUgx1uocsd8_500.gif

If she uses it or not either way Michelle is going home. I hope she keeps it the same and James and Natalie force Nicole to break the tie. You know she's gonna love having to do that. :joker:

[JerseyWins]

I still wouldn't be surprised if Paul leaves this week, that's just the kind of thing this **** season would do to me :rolleyes:
Something would have to go horribly wrong because right now he has Victor's & Nicorey's votes for sure. But there IS a long time between the veto ceremony & eviction so I guess it's always possible. :worry:

[LukeB]

LOL crazy coincidence, I was actually just looking for a GIF of this to use in my sig.

I would've just used this one if I saw it first. :joker:

:joker: crazy coincidence indeed.

The friendship dance gave me life.. I can't believe i didn't like Paul week 1, now I love him.

[Wizard.]

I think James is being underestimated and Nicole can be persuaded. Watch it flip to Paul being evicted.

[Peppermint]

I remember being in the 1% of people who liked Paul from the very first episode. :flutter:

[AarynGriesfan]

I think James is being underestimated and Nicole can be persuaded. Watch it flip to Paul being evicted.

Nicole could be persuaded I guess but I don't think James is underestimated. I do think he is one of the dumbest players to play Big Brother so if the vote does flip I highly doubt it will be because of anything he said or did.

[Wizard.]

Nicole could be persuaded I guess but I don't think James is underestimated. I do think he is one of the dumbest players to play Big Brother so if the vote does flip I highly doubt it will be because of anything he said or did.

All he has to do is play with her emotions and she'll flip, she is dumber than him.

[LukeB]

When are they going to do the transferring liquid on ice comp!!! that's the best comp ever

[Nick.]

Rly important question, in BB15 the ice comp (played in pairs) had a smaller barrel which once filled would allow a pair to have two larger scoops making it quicker to transfer BBQ sauce into the larger pot potentially quicker. Would the more efficient choice be to go straight for the main barrel or try to unlock the larger scoops?

I think about this a lot.

[Macie Lightfoot]

James is ridiculously passive and dumb. He hasn't really talked to Nicole all week and has discouraged Natalie from going up to the HOH room, but he just told Natalie that he's sure that the plan is to evict Paul and Corey's gonna use the bribe to get Victor to lose the next HOH Comp.

That being said, Paul is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ****ing annoying that I don't think it's out of the question for the vote to flip. I don't think it's likely right now, but there's an outside shot.

[AarynGriesfan]

All he has to do is play with her emotions and she'll flip, she is dumber than him.

ehh this is probably a coin flip because neither one of them is a mental giants.

[SoberLikeGizmo]

All he has to do is play with her emotions and she'll flip, she is dumber than him.

No one is dumber then James. They guy sucks

[Macie Lightfoot]

okay Corey, Paul, and Victor making fun of Nicole's small ass school is actually really ****ing funny

https://amp.twimg.com/v/0d464770-0890-4940-8a01-f44576b8095b

[Peppermint]

:laugh2:

Nicole's reaction is pretty hilarious too.

[Headie]

What a waste of an HOH getting out the only person who's not in a duo :laugh:

I wish James would have gone this week

[SoberLikeGizmo]

What a waste of an HOH getting out the only person who's not in a duo :laugh:

I wish James would have gone this week

Hopefully next week. They won't do another wall endurance so he has no shot

[AarynGriesfan]

okay Corey, Paul, and Victor making fun of Nicole's small ass school is actually really ****ing funny

https://amp.twimg.com/v/0d464770-0890-4940-8a01-f44576b8095b

Okay that's hilarious.

[JerseyWins]

Yeah that's GREAT. :joker:

[Macie Lightfoot]

A drone flew over the house with a giant blow up doll with brown hair. IDK, I'll flash back and check things out later at some point but I can't be bothered right now

[Nick.]

Pic of the drone

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[JerseyWins]

^ :joker: :joker: :joker:

[Wizard.]

Ofc it would be smarter for Nicole to not use the veto and get Corey to evict Paul but Nicole isn't smart. If she really thinks that after James is evicted that Paul/Vic are going to honor their final 4 deal then wow! Just wow!

[JerseyWins]

^ They might honor it all the way down to F4 tbh (I'm almost positive they'd honor it if they won HOH next week at least). Victor in particular is probably the most loyal person this season until he finds out someone is plotting against him / playing all sides.

On top of that, James/Natalie/Meech are kind of a trio and Meech (who is clearly against Nicole and vice versa) would easily slip by a couple more weeks if Nicole doesn't make this move now. Meech would target Nicole every time if she ever won HOH so that's not good at F6.

Getting Meech out is REALLY good for her game. There will be three trios in the house and Paul/Victor and James/Natalie are most likely going after each other next week.

[Raph]

Been watching some Zaulie videos on youtube and i'm surprised to say this, but Paulie and Zakiyah are my favourite showmance to ever happen on BBUSA. I really didn't like Zakiyah at times for how mean she was to people, but I found their relationship dynamic to be really psychologically interesting. Personally, the way Paulie was with Zakiyah is part of the reason why I liked him so much, as odd as that may sound :joker:

[Macie Lightfoot]

Odd is one way to put it.

Anyway, Corey was talking to Victor about how he wants to go to the wrap party and meet people and mingle but he is NOT spending his whole time with Nicole and coming out of this house in a relationship. And then Nicole had some big sobbing panicked meltdown about how HOH is so stressful and blah blah and Corey gave, like, minimal support :love:

Nicorey will *ALMOST* be worth it if he Dianes her. Almost.

[JerseyWins]

Holy crap, I decided to rewind through the feeds from today and it's just soooo bad, like completely dead at every hour. There's literally at least one cam, if not both, on people sleeping and/or eating all day.

But I got to Nicole & Corey talking in the HOH room from like 2 hours ago and lol this is pretty good. :joker:

[JerseyWins]

It's kinda weird seeing Nicole have a breakdown since I can't really remember a time on both seasons where she's cried like this. :( As worried as she gets, I feel like she always keeps it together. Maybe I'm just forgetting. The stressed/worried part is the norm though. :joker:

But it's hilarious how she went from sobbing to laughing so quickly and then Corey just laughs too after being silent for a while. :joker:

[Macie Lightfoot]

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[Raph]

Nicole is officially the female houseguest who has voted to evict the most female houseguests :laugh2:

[Macie Lightfoot]

To be fair, the Tiffany/Da'Vonne/Zakiyah/Bridgette evictions only had women nominees, and the Bronte eviction really just came down to her and Tiffany even though Paul was the third nominee. And if you go back to BB16, Joey and Amber were also nominated against women last year, and BB16 had the worst case of voting with the house being understood culture, with only 6 votes against the majority in the whole season.

Don't get me wrong, I ****ing hate Nicole and can't believe I just half-assedly defended her, but that statistic isn't really indicative of Nicole hating women as much as it is indicative of the fact that Big Brother is a show with deep gender issues that aren't really even challenged anymore because Robyn Kass ****ing sucks at her job and continually casts boring dudebros who want to bro down and subservient girls.

It'll be interesting to see how this digital season plays out since the people who cast Survivor are apparently casting it. Survivor's a fundamentally similar show yet there have never been any gender issues. 14 female winners in 32 seasons is pretty damn close to breaking even.

[JerseyWins]

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:joker: :joker: :joker:

[JerseyWins]

Do James/Natalie/Meech still not know that Meech is going?

[Macie Lightfoot]

Corey bribed Victor to evict Michelle.

It's really sad to watch Natalie now tbh, James completely destroyed her game by exposing her thoughts about possibly wanting Victor to stay, constantly trying to reassure her that Nicole's not a snake bc he's friends with her from pre-show, and dismissing Natalie's desire to campaign and talk to Nicole because he thinks she will somehow accidentally say something to piss Nicole off. He's a ****ing dumbass and she'll be so much better off without him (I say will because it's pretty clear that she's just so exhausted by how dumb he is and she can't wait to get out of the house and get some space to herself.) I'm sure Michelle's kicking herself too for not nominating Nicole, but she knows that James would never have evicted her anyway. He really did a tremendous job at tanking all three of their games.

[SoberLikeGizmo]

James has ruined 2 seasons. Can he please **** off and never return please

[Raph]

Victor is the only candidate for winner in my eyes remaining, especially if Meech goes

[JerseyWins]

You don't like how Paul is playing, Raph?

[DouglasS]

This is the second season ever of Big Brother that I stopped watching [twice, because I decided to watch again during Zakiyah/Paulie's eviction week]. This is a Bottom 2 big brother series, with BB14

[Raph]

You don't like how Paul is playing, Raph?

Yeah not really. I mean I think he probably is playing the best game in there and I give him credit there but I don't really like him as a person, he seems to have too much of an over-inflated ego for me :laugh: And I didn't like the way he spoke about Bridgette.

That said, i'd definitely rather see him win than Natalie, Nicole or Corey

[Macie Lightfoot]

And I didn't like the way he spoke about Bridgette.

I'm not even trying to beat a dead horse but......... Paulie?

[Headie]

I'm not even trying to beat a dead horse but......... Paulie?

But... but... they took a picture together! See!

http://cdn.thisisbigbrother.com/signaturepics/sigpic56931_37.gif

[MB.]

"You were not getting that half million dollars. With us in the jury house talking, you lost a long time ago, because you're cocky, you have a giant ego. That is my opinion as to why you should not win Big Brother. You were the one that made this game personal. By calling Natalie what you called her, by calling out an entire state of women. You made some horrible comments, Paulie, and I cannot respect you after that."

-Bridgette Dunning to Paulie Calafiore, 2016

[DouglasS]

"You were not getting that half million dollars. With us in the jury house talking, you lost a long time ago, because you're cocky, you have a giant ego. That is my opinion as to why you should not win Big Brother. You were the one that made this game personal. By calling Natalie what you called her, by calling out an entire state of women. You made some horrible comments, Paulie, and I cannot respect you after that."

-Bridgette Dunning to Paulie Calafiore, 2016

Feminist Icon.

Paulie is one of the worst house guests of all time, as an equality activist I just can't respect him and the way he talks about women

[reece(:]

Legend Bridge was a breakout star after Frank's mind control was released :clap1:

[AarynGriesfan]

Yeah not really. I mean I think he probably is playing the best game in there and I give him credit there but I don't really like him as a person, he seems to have too much of an over-inflated ego for me :laugh: And I didn't like the way he spoke about Bridgette.

That said, i'd definitely rather see him win than Natalie, Nicole or Corey

So Paul has too big of an ego for you but Paulie doesn't?

[LukeB]

Feminist Icon.

Paulie is one of the worst house guests of all time, as an equality activist I just can't respect him and the way he talks about women

Why should treating women be any different to treating a man? Natalie treats men like crap but gets away with it.. Women are as strong as men they are not weak you know. If females can treat men like crap then males can do the same to females. One gender shouldn't get special treatment both genders are the same and equal.

[Raph]

Why should treating women be any different to treating a man? Natalie treats men like crap but gets away with it.. Women are as strong as men they are not weak you know. If females can treat men like crap then males can do the same to females. One gender shouldn't get special treatment both genders are the same and equal.

Thank you luke! Spoken like a true feminist :)

[Raph]

So Paul has too big of an ego for you but Paulie doesn't?

I understand Paulie's ego, he thinks like I do

[Raph]

But... but... they took a picture together! See!

http://cdn.thisisbigbrother.com/signaturepics/sigpic56931_37.gif

And it's a cute picture! Thanks for the snidy remark tho, thought that was so a year ago

[reece(:]

Bridgette will never hug with Evil again thankfully after that jury house clock.

[Raph]

I hope they become friends post- show but I see both perspectives and like them both for individual reasons! I think Bridgette is a feminist icon and just the cutest. Paulie is the first person since Dan that I understand on Big Brother USA and I love that. Her reasons for disliking Paulie are entirely valid and I support them, but still love my dude despite that!

[Raph]

I knew from pre launch just watching Paulie talk to Jeff that he thought like me and I think that's so awesome

[DouglasS]

Why should treating women be any different to treating a man? Natalie treats men like crap but gets away with it.. Women are as strong as men they are not weak you know. If females can treat men like crap then males can do the same to females. One gender shouldn't get special treatment both genders are the same and equal.

Exactly, and thats why I don't like Paulie. He treats women like lessers, like the way he speaks of women from Jersey, and the way he spoke to Natalie and Bridgette. He'd bring up their boobs for insults, or would insult them because they're women.

I haven't been watching Big Brother for the past two weeks so I have no idea what Natalie has done, but I've read some updates regarding what shes said about Paul and I'm no longer supporting her. I'm supporting Michelle/Victor.

Everything you said is why I cannot like somebody like Paulie, which is why I'm confused as to how a feminist could like/condone Paulie

I do respect that everyone has a different opinion though/may see things differently

[Headie]

And it's a cute picture! Thanks for the snidy remark tho, thought that was so a year ago

Lmao

[LukeB]

Exactly, and thats why I don't like Paulie. He treats women like lessers, like the way he speaks of women from Jersey, and the way he spoke to Natalie and Bridgette. He'd bring up their boobs for insults, or would insult them because they're women.

I haven't been watching Big Brother for the past two weeks so I have no idea what Natalie has done, but I've read some updates regarding what shes said about Paul and I'm no longer supporting her. I'm supporting Michelle/Victor.

Everything you said is why I cannot like somebody like Paulie, which is why I'm confused as to how a feminist could like/condone Paulie

I do respect that everyone has a different opinion though/may see things differently

But no one is condoning it, no one has laughed at his comments, applaud them etc you can still support someone even if you don't agree with their comments. I'm sure Aaryngriesfan doesn't condone her racist/homophobia
(? they will have to answer that) His comment about her tits were bad but I do wonder if a female said something about a boys penis would that be taken the same way? and his threatening to punch people in the heat of the moment was probably not serious, many people say that when they are annoyed it's like "i will kill you" when no one actually means it.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Natalie treats men like crap but gets away with it..

who has she treated like ****? Like, I know you're gonna harp on and on about her accusing guys of sexual harassment (I don't even think she used the word harassed but I could be wrong) but pretty much the entire house treated Natalie like **** and made fun of her fake boobs both behind her back and to her face, referred to her as a thot and other terms, actively schemed against her to ruin her close relationship with James, etc. Paulie literally was upset with her because she had a mind of her own and wasn't content to be dragged along and be a Victoria-esque figure. He modeled his entire game after BB16 and his goal was to get to the end with a bunch of dudebros and run all the women out of the house because he has so many ****ed up issues with gender.

[LukeB]

I love the ignore feature :love:

[Macie Lightfoot]

were you one of the people who got upset about Frankie saying Jocasta can kill herself? Genuinely can't remember but I'm interested.

[Raph]

Lmao

Nice and mature!

[Jack_]

Yeah Raph and Luke, each to their own and all and hell I'm partial to a minority opinion quite often but I genuinely cannot fathom the Paulie stanning

He's literally the most repugnant houseguest since BB15, if there was anyone who was gonna support someone like him I wouldn't have said it would be you guys :joker:

[LukeB]

Yeah Raph and Luke, each to their own and all and hell I'm partial to a minority opinion quite often but I genuinely cannot fathom the Paulie stanning

He's literally the most repugnant houseguest since BB15, if there was anyone who was gonna support someone like him I wouldn't have said it would be you guys :joker:

I don't condone his comments but I still like him, I don't really judge people as people on BBUS because majority all of them say bad things but more than others like Frankie/Evil Dick/Spencer/Aaryn/Gina/Amanda/Justin.

I wouldn't have liked Paulie/Zach etc on bbuk tbh. I judge them differently on each version.

[LukeB]

I want Nicole/Corey gone next but I also want Victor/Paul to win HOH so they are not in danger but Nicorey won't get sent home then :joker:

[LukeB]

well to Jury

[Macie Lightfoot]

I'm just curious as to what judgment scale can be used to see Paulie in a favorable light but I have a feeling I'm not gonna get an answer.

[Jack_]

I don't condone his comments but I still like him, I don't really judge people as people on BBUS because majority all of them say bad things but more than others like Frankie/Evil Dick/Spencer/Aaryn/Gina/Amanda/Justin.

I wouldn't have liked Paulie/Zach etc on bbuk tbh. I judge them differently on each version.

Paulie is far worse than Frankie ever was

It would be the other way round for me, I'd probably like him on BBUK lol

[LukeB]

Paulie is far worse than Frankie ever was

It would be the other way round for me, I'd probably like him on BBUK lol

Suggesting to rape someone to take their virginity is one of the most vilest things to ever been said on BBUS. Paulie's comments were not as awful as that.

however Dicks's rape comment still remains the worst one

[Macie Lightfoot]

eh, he was probably just mad. Most people don't mean it when they say things like that.

[Nick.]

All houseguests bar James have knocked down the 'o' in the HOH thing they've got to knock over. James got an egg over but it didn't knock it over or summit.

[LukeB]

Is James throwing it?

[Nick.]

^Not idea.

Paul & Victor both rolled eggs which fell. I should probably go to sleep.

[Macie Lightfoot]

welp Corey only needs one more H I hate this show

[Nick.]

Oh Corey's knocked another letter over and got an egg in the a have not basket. He's had a lot of practice fingering this season.

[Jack_]

Suggesting to rape someone to take their virginity is one of the most vilest things to ever been said on BBUS. Paulie's comments were not as awful as that.

however Dicks's rape comment still remains the worst one

It is, but as you rightly pointed out - disgusting comments are kind of par for the course on BBUS so unless they're repetitive (which Frankie's weren't) then it's a bit pointless hating people for it. Paulie's general demeanour is far worse than anything Frankie did though, his complete lack of respect for women, trying to intimidate Tiffany, insulting Natalie and your home state's entire population of women, treating Zakiyah (who I don't even like) like crap, having delusions of grandeur that aren't even remotely funny, the list goes on

Frankie made a couple of questionable comments, sought attention, played up to the cameras and was favoured by production. No comparison

[Jack_]

I swear if Corey wins out of five people then this season just needs to be taken off the air right now

:rolleyes:

[Macie Lightfoot]

Victor knocked down an H too

[Macie Lightfoot]

Nat did too yay

[Macie Lightfoot]

ugh Nat's been so close twice now

[Raph]

Ugh I think I want Nicole to win this game now just so a superfan can win -.-

Go Corey I guess

[Jack_]

come through Vic

[Nick.]

Tips for anyone playing along at home

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[Raph]

Btw interesting stats for this seasons casting

- Frank, Da'Vonne, James and Nicole (all originally applicants but recruited this time)
- Tiffany and Paulie (both fans of the show but recruited cause of siblings)

- Superfan applicants: Michelle, Glenn, Zakiyah
- Fan applicants: Victor, Bridgette, Bronte
- Recruits: Jozea, Natalie, Paul and Corey

[Raph]

So wow of the 16, only 6 applied this year, crazy!

[Raph]

Also #Justice4Glenn

[Jack_]

I really do hate this comp

[Nick.]

I don't mind the chicken wire comp as a whole I'd just rather they had to transport 10 eggs into a pot instead of knocking over these bloody HOH letters.

[Macie Lightfoot]

omg wow what interesting statistics!!!!!!


Natalie so would've won by now if it was a normal egg comp. Paul has his second letter too now, James still has none. This comp blows, even more than the egg one usually does.

[LukeB]

Paul got his 2nd letter.. The out of no where win?

[Macie Lightfoot]

Victor of Household :o

[LukeB]

Victor :cheer2:

[Nick.]

Victor has won HOH!

[SoberLikeGizmo]

Yes. Paul need to win hoh now at final 5 and either him or victor wins the veto

[LukeB]

Final 5 of friendship! :love:

[Macie Lightfoot]

V IS FOR VICTORY TONIGHT

--Zoe Zanidakis --Macie Lightfoot

[LukeB]

The vics (Victoria and Victor) being the comp beasts :love:

[Macie Lightfoot]

can't wait for Nicole to come up with random excuses for this week being the week to take Natalie out so she can fulfill her goal of being the last girl standing

[Macie Lightfoot]

Corey's in disbelief that a girl like Nat did so well (just like when he refused to believe Tiffany won Roadkill) :rolleyes:

and Nicole's already pushing hard that Nat is better at comps than James.

[Raph]

Lololol Nicole and her hatred of women is becoming comical now :laugh:

[Raph]

Fingers crossed for a Natalie eviction this week, long overdue.

Justice for the better spy girls Bridgette and Bronte!

[Macie Lightfoot]

At least she's a superfan, not like those dumb recruits!!!

[Macie Lightfoot]

This is kind of a ****ty HOH for anyone to win tbh because it's such an odd scenario with three distinct pairs. Like, let's say Natalie gets evicted this week. Victor has to sit out of the HOH Comp and it's Paul taking on Nicole, Corey, and James all by himself. I wouldn't be surprised if Victor gets booted at F5 now, whoever the HOH is this week essentially isolates themselves and their partner from the other three remaining people in the house.

Jesus Christ, a F4 of Paul, Nicole, Corey, and James would be reeeeeeeeeeally bad.

[Raph]

I don't mind the chicken wire comp as a whole I'd just rather they had to transport 10 eggs into a pot instead of knocking over these bloody HOH letters.

At least she's a superfan, not like those dumb recruits!!!

No Natalie is a recruit

[Macie Lightfoot]

I was taking about Nicole. We posted at the same time.

[Raph]

Also happiest of birthdays to my boy Dan Gheesling! Was great to see Meech give him a shoutout on his birthday too. The best houseguest ever internationally, a good friend and mentor. Team Dan always! #Renegades

[SoberLikeGizmo]

Fingers crossed for a Natalie eviction this week, long overdue.

Justice for the better spy girls Bridgette and Bronte!

Please James eviction has been LONG overdue. He needs to go this week, annoying little ****

[Raph]

Please James eviction has been LONG overdue. He needs to go this week, annoying little ****

Tbh I really don't care which of the two leave but would rather Natalie because of how lightly she uses the term 'harassment', I hate that

[Raph]

No alliance will ever be quite like the renegades eh, Jon!

[Raph]

Like I like Paulie quite a bit but he has absolutely nothing on my actually favorite Dan, the best player and person to ever be on Big Brother internationally. Even if he returned every season I would support him always. Dan is the man.

[Raph]

Natalie says if she wins veto she would use it on James ugh this is why recruits suck so much they lack in game love and just fold when the going gets tough makes me so mad!

[JerseyWins]

Victor winning HOH :clap1:

A "Final Four" final four is pretty legit.

James is soooo damn overdue to go but whatever / fair enough if it ends up being Natalie. I just like how James is now so close to completely finalizing a disastrously ruined game; it has just gotten worse and worse really ever since throwing Da'Vonne under the bus for no reason.

[JerseyWins]

(a little earlier on feeds, not right now)

Lmao @ Paul comparing Meech's speech to a drunk person, going off on everyone, stumbling on her words and everything... :laugh3:

[Macie Lightfoot]

Natalie says if she wins veto she would use it on James ugh this is why recruits suck so much they lack in game love and just fold when the going gets tough makes me so mad!

I mean, she also spent last week telling James how proud she was of him and how much she trusted his judgment despite the fact that she clearly didn't and was pissed at him for throwing the HOH so it's tough to take what she says at face value.

not to mention that Natalie pulled The Move of the season with the vote flip on Zakiyah so yeah those recruits are just the worst aren't they

[Headie]

Nice and mature!

Messy

[Black Dagger]

Thank you luke! Spoken like a true feminist :)

How does feminism work when supporting people who are misogynistic?!?!?

[Headie]

I mean, she also spent last week telling James how proud she was of him and how much she trusted his judgment despite the fact that she clearly didn't and was pissed at him for throwing the HOH so it's tough to take what she says at face value.

not to mention that Natalie pulled The Move of the season with the vote flip on Zakiyah so yeah those recruits are just the worst aren't they

Natalie is the only decent winner left, everyone else sucks

[Lostie!]

- Superfan applicants: Glenn

I'm sure I remember Glenn insulting superfans in a pre season interview and basically suggesting they don't have lives :laugh:

[Headie]

https://67.media.tumblr.com/ab4c29937837ea0c8511830eaef4cd40/tumblr_ocuy1pBINy1tgdhtio1_540.gif

[VanessaFeltz.]

should i act like i care about this season

[Raph]

Messy

Lmao at the try

[Ross.]

Instead of debating an awful season y'all should put your energy into this!

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=309142

[LukeB]

:rolleyes:
771595592896163840

[Headie]

Lmao at the try

I don't really know what I've done wrong, I just made a humorous post on here like I normally try to do and got called snidy lmao so forgive me if I'm finding this a bit funny :laugh:

[SoberLikeGizmo]

should i act like i care about this season

Yes this season is actually okay now, Davonne leaving really made this season bareable, James is the only one ruining it now.

[reece(:]

This season is at BB16 levels of dire though?

[Headie]

Yes this season is actually okay now, Davonne leaving really made this season bareable, James is the only one ruining it now.

Lol the season practically died once Da'Vonne left, and it officially died once Bridgette was evicted. Nothing about this season has been great.

[reece(:]

Lol the season practically died once Da'Vonne left, and it officially died once Bridgette was evicted. Nothing about this season has been great.
And was put to rest when Meech left

[SoberLikeGizmo]

Lol the season practically died once Da'Vonne left, and it officially died once Bridgette was evicted. Nothing about this season has been great.

Well you worship the ground Davonne walks on so of course you will say that, I think she is a over rated chit pathetic player/person. Her going made this season bareable for me personally.

[Macie Lightfoot]

ladies please this season was dead on arrival. the two nights leading up for the Zakiyah eviction through the next POV meeting was the only good period of time for the whole season and that was like 5 days lol

[LukeB]

I've actually enjoyed this season and I'm still am

[MB.]

Well someone has to

[VanessaFeltz.]

Also may i just add crustine from s16 is the most classless person i have ever met in my entire life.


She LEGIT said i need to stop producing because i said nicole is a woman hater and she followed the same strategy

okay sister get a life

[Raph]

Just watched two episodes of bb10 again and ahh reminded of the best season of BBUSA ever just such an amazing cast and ah my dude Dan is so good

[reece(:]

https://65.media.tumblr.com/57fbd3a27270c6b66f18736df265a168/tumblr_ocwhd4xHTG1utpccwo1_540.png

QUEEN

[LukeB]

Victor nominated James and Natalie which now means Nicole is the only HG that hasn't been nominated for eviction...

[JerseyWins]

Nicole the mastermind. :clap1:

Hopefully James is the target?

[JTM45]

James is such an annoying little prick! He seems to think that he's some kind of BB tactical genius whereas i find him one of the most cowardly, boring houseguests to ever not play the game.
And Natalie made one of the worst moves this Season when she decided it was a great idea to turn on Paul purely based on a single comment that Nicole said that Paul had said about James (which, as it happened, was a total LIE !). So glad it's blown up so badly in her and James' faces.

I'm just dreading the almost inevitable production interference that will most likely happen in an attempt to save both James and Natalie. At least Nicole or Corey aren't in power because they're both dumb enough to let themselves be manipulated without even realising it had happened.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Corey won POV.

Shockingly, Nicole's already bitching about Natalie being a liar.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Corey also won a trip to Atlanta and there are MacGyver pizza boxes in the HOH Room so this is the annual "advertise the next ****ty CBS show that will only last a season" Comp.

Sounds like Natalie came in second :(

[Macie Lightfoot]

lmfaooooooo everyone's plotting upstairs on how they're gonna blindside Natalie and James by pretending to get rid of James and then actually evict Natalie and make her cry on live TV and they're predicting how she won't even hug James just because That's The Type Of Girl She Is.

Meanwhile, Natalie's downstairs all "lol James you're gonna get blindsided this week just so ya know :) I can't wait to go to jury lol I'm about to go campaign against myself, I can't wait to be blindsided :)"

[VanessaFeltz.]

Nicole is taking out another girl.. so suprised

[VanessaFeltz.]

NOT

[Macie Lightfoot]

This is what I imagine Elissa's eviction would have been like if it took place over the course of a week instead of a double eviction.

[VanessaFeltz.]

Joker's BB Updates ‏@JokersBBUpdates 2h2 hours ago
Nicole: I will be PISSED if she (Natalie) is the one that takes me out. Pissed. Paul: Why? Nicole: bec I would rather a guy #bb18 #bblf

[Macie Lightfoot]

alol my favorite part of this week is Natalie constantly ripping James apart for being a moron and getting them in this position. She told him how his gut has been wrong for two weeks and that's why they're here, and now she just told him that if he sides with Nicorey after she's evicted she's never talking to him again bc they're the reason why she's going this week :joker:

[Raph]

She's so messy :bored:

James is better off without Natalie who is as fake as the things on her chest

[Macie Lightfoot]

what does messy even mean these days.

[Headie]

She's so messy :bored:

James is better off without Natalie who is as fake as the things on her chest

I thought you were against body shaming women :umm2:

[Jack_]

She's so messy :bored:

James is better off without Natalie who is as fake as the things on her chest

This is beneath you

[Black Dagger]

Not body shaming when you're meant to be a feminist welp.

[LukeB]

Ahh I remember when twitter were fuming when that happened but I bet they wouldn't be that fumed if a female made a comment about a males penis(they will most likely laugh) which is the same as making comments about females boobs.

[AarynGriesfan]

This is beneath you

Nah this seems right on par for him actually.

[LukeB]

Nah this seems right on par for him actually.

Not really but of course you like to pick on Raph which is no surprise there looking at your name and picture. #Stopbullying2016

[Liam-]

Can they not just bring Tiffany back and crown her instead of anyone left please?

[Peppermint]

I still think there is a massive overreaction for Paulie's "fake tits" comment about Natalie. :umm2:

[Headie]

Ahh I remember when twitter were fuming when that happened but I bet they wouldn't be that fumed if a female made a comment about a males penis(they will most likely laugh) which is the same as making comments about females boobs.

Well I sure as hell remember being fumed when Steve was trying to imply James had a small penis last season and lots of others were offended too, and it had racial connotations as well, so I disagree tbh.

[Jack_]

Ahh I remember when twitter were fuming when that happened but I bet they wouldn't be that fumed if a female made a comment about a males penis(they will most likely laugh) which is the same as making comments about females boobs.

You're right, emasculating men isn't funny, but nor is body shaming a woman just cause you don't like them and your favourite houseguest didn't either :conf:

I still think there is a massive overreaction for Paulie's "fake tits" comment about Natalie. :umm2:

It's just one remark in a whole heap of misogynistic behaviour so you're right, in the grand scheme of things it isn't that bad - but pair it with everything else he did during his time in the house and it just further proves how repugnant he is

[LukeB]

Well I sure as hell remember being fumed when Steve was trying to imply James had a small penis last season and lots of others were offended too, and it had racial connotations as well, so I disagree tbh.

I wasn't saying about tibb it was about twitter (non-tibb members) :laugh:

because all i ever see is sexism by most of them like for example James does not get slack for being thirsty for fanny because he was desperate for a female on both of his seasons and they find it cute but Nicole gets slack for being thirsty for dick.

[Jack_]

Well I sure as hell remember being fumed when Steve was trying to imply James had a small penis last season and lots of others were offended too, and it had racial connotations as well, so I disagree tbh.

Luke is right on this to be fair. People were falling over themselves laughing and dubbing Aisleyne a 'Queen' when she tried to emasculate Marc in an argument last year, all because this forum hated him

Sexism is well and truly alive in the real world but on here and much of social media women aren't held to the same standards men are

[LukeB]

In life actually if females abuse/shame males it never gets taken seriously much the males get laughed at.

[Jack_]

In life actually if females abuse/shame males it never gets taken seriously much the males get laughed at.

No you are right, there are definitely a few things in the real world that men are disadvantaged by

[Headie]

I need all remaining episodes to just be Jury House footage of Da'Vonne/Zakiyah/Bridgette/Michelle/Natalie dragging Paulie on a daily basis :love:

[DouglasS]

Not body shaming when you're meant to be a feminist welp.

He's not a feminist, it's laughable and very insulting to actual feminists if he calls himself one

I don't know the member, but I'm pretty sure hes joking about calling himself a feminist?

[DouglasS]

I hope Nicole gets booed on her way out

[LukeB]

I hope Nicole gets booed on her way out

She hasn't done anything evil to be booed lol. a bit OTT

[Macie Lightfoot]

It'd be fitting since she morphed into Christine, but yeah it's never happening bc she and James are so ****ing protected by the edit.

[Headie]

Natalie: If I stayed and win HOH I would put Paul and Nicole up and play russian roulette and say in my speech “If you win veto your partner goes up. Enjoy motherf,ckers.”

https://66.media.tumblr.com/9a8ac84284a63eade5621edca8a28dd4/tumblr_inline_ocz38oCPWK1qmpins_500.gif

[EspeonBB]

Nicole is awful and I'm convinced she's going to win. I don't want her to but she would be a fitting winner (crap season, crap winner)

[Macie Lightfoot]

yeah after last week I've resigned myself to a Nicole win, she really is a living example of what Grodner and Kass want women to be like.

I can't believe I'm about to say this but I think I'm rooting for Corey?!??!?! Vic has no shot and I think he's starting to realize how ****ed he is for next week, and I'm pretty sure Corey would have to either cut Nicole at F3 or just outright beat her at F2, both of which would be delicious.

[Braden]

Natalie is definitely the target this week?

[Macie Lightfoot]

Natalie is definitely the target this week?

Victor wanted James out but Nicole and Paul spend all their free time taking **** about Natalie and plotting to make her cry on live TV by blindsiding her and leaving her nasty goodbye messages and other nice stuff. Victor's realizing he has no way to stop this, and he's also starting to realize that he's probably screwed for next week too.

[DouglasS]

I can't deal with a Nicole win, just no.

Anybody but Nicole at this point

[DouglasS]

Victor, Paul and Natalie are the only acceptable winners from this dire season tbh.

[Macie Lightfoot]

and they're gonna be the next two boots lmfao :love:

[JerseyWins]

It'd be fitting since she morphed into Christine, but yeah it's never happening bc she and James are so ****ing protected by the edit.
There's nothing to edit her poorly with tho

[JerseyWins]

Also *sigh* at James probably sliding by another week. But it honestly makes sense for Nicorey I guess since James has a thing for them.

[LukeB]

There's nothing to edit her poorly with tho

Didn't Christine only get booed for the Cody thing and not her gameplay?

I don't like Nicole but she hasn't done nothing wrong to be booed :joker: she is a rat/snake but that's big brother and not offensive to anyone, Nicole bitches etc but still not offensive and pretty much everyone does that lmao. Nicole isn't evil in any way.

[Headie]

^ sounds like you like Nicole based on that description :laugh:

[Peppermint]

There's nothing to edit her poorly with tho
Exactly. She has done nothing 'bad' that warrants any hate really. If she wanted all the males out she'd be loved. It's ridiculous how unfairly guys get judged on this show.

Like if the guys want girls out they're 'sexist' but if girls want guys out they're 'legends' :facepalm:

[reece(:]

It matters when the guy she's besotted with is a scumbag!

[Macie Lightfoot]

Exactly. She has done nothing 'bad' that warrants any hate really. If she wanted all the males out she'd be loved. It's ridiculous how unfairly guys get judged on this show.

Like if the guys want girls out they're 'sexist' but if girls want guys out they're 'legends' :facepalm:

gender politics kinda matter on a show like this when it's been a decade since a woman won without the help of production. Only two women have won since Grodner took over and they only won bc she tried to rig for a golden boy, it didn't work, so then one of the closest females was beneficiary.

[LukeB]

^ sounds like you like Nicole based on that description :laugh:

but i don't she's annoying and let me down this season but i'm saying she hasn't done anything evil to be booed, being a rat/snake/siding with the boys is part of the game so it's not even that bad and she hasn't been up for eviction this season and is the only HG not to so it's working for her and she bitches about the females and have random dislike towards them again that's not evil because pretty much everyone does it:laugh:

[Peppermint]

gender politics kinda matter on a show like this when it's been a decade since a woman won without the help of production. Only two women have won since Grodner took over and they only won bc she tried to rig for a golden boy, it didn't work, so then one of the closest females was beneficiary.
Maybe the guys who have won have just had better gameplay? :shrug:

I just can't understand the mentality of wanting girls to stick together and take all the guys out but being against it the other way around and thinking it's okay. I get that it's the viewers' preference widely but it doesn't make them 'bad people' for it or whatever I see them getting accused of if they team up against the girls.

[VanessaFeltz.]

I ****ing hate nicole if i was on the jury i would vote COREY over that dumb bitch

[VanessaFeltz.]

i am very hopeful that davonne will poison the jury against her women hating ass

[Ross.]

Nicole is awful and I'm convinced she's going to win. I don't want her to but she would be a fitting winner (crap season, crap winner)

Same, I'm not watching anymore but from what I've read I can't see anyone but Nicole, possibly Paul, winning :laugh:

[LukeB]

Maybe the guys who have won have just had better gameplay? :shrug:

I just can't understand the mentality of wanting girls to stick together and take all the guys out but being against it the other way around and thinking it's okay. I get that it's the viewers' preference widely but it doesn't make them 'bad people' for it or whatever I see them getting accused of if they team up against the girls.

I agree, it doesn't make them bad people at all.. I would do the same only if It helps me not because i'm being horrible.. but I don't view females and males differently they both human and no different to one another so I will treat all sexes the same and treat them as people not over their gender.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Maybe the guys who have won have just had better gameplay? :shrug:

I just can't understand the mentality of wanting girls to stick together and take all the guys out but being against it the other way around and thinking it's okay. I get that it's the viewers' preference widely but it doesn't make them 'bad people' for it or whatever I see them getting accused of if they team up against the girls.

Well whenever a group of girls gets any leverage by their own doing, Grodner steps in and intervenes. That's how we ended up with the Coup d'Etat in BB11 and Pandora's Box in BB13.

Part of the reason such a mentality exists is that we've seen a group of guys bro down and steamroll through the season numerous times, and it usually results in the worst seasons like BB12 and BB16. Part of the reason is that Grodner and Kass seem to almost exclusively cast codependent women in order to guarantee that they're a number for the men. Part of the reason is that the production ideal is a bunch of dudes in the endgame with maybe one female, as evidenced by BB12 and BB16 being held in high regard by production and being two of the most common seasons given in sequester to new HGs before the show. Part of the reason is that Survivor, a fundamentally similar show, has a near 50% statistic of women winning while Big Brother doesn't even have a 30% statistic.

I don't think anyone actually thinks Nicole is an evil person, but she is an incredibly frustrating one. She perpetuates the show's worst tropes about gender and is more concerned about being the last girl standing than anything else. She presents herself as wholesome by censoring herself from saying words like crap and damn, yet she lets Corey defile her on the live feeds. The edit tries to present her as the goofy, lovable girl next door, but on the live feeds she's proven herself to be whiny, needy, critical of other females like clockwork, and frustratingly delusional. Basically, the TV show goes out of its way to present Nicole as how she wants us to see her, but anyone who has seen the live feeds sees that she isn't anything like that at all.

[JerseyWins]

It's fair enough to always root for women to stick together & win for that reason. I find that kinda weird anyway but it makes some sense at least.

But, like, the same mentality happens with Survivor where we see much more of a mix in all of those areas (all girl alliances, girls' winning percentage, etc.).

[Macie Lightfoot]

I don't think it really is though? We don't see nearly as many attempts at an all girls alliance partly because they don't need to be made out of necessity like they do on BB. The girls that get on Survivor are ready to play and are a lot more mercenary and actively playing the game and trying to win. There's a huge difference between Survivor women and Big Brother women.

[JerseyWins]

I also think it's fair to just have a preference for the women that are casted just from generally liking their characteristic traits more... I'd probably say I prefer the males a bit more on a general basis for that reason... but to ALWAYS want to see the girls sticking together and NEVER liking the males sticking together (or for a girl to side with guys) is pretty ridiculous regardless of past statistics and gender politics. :shrug:

[JerseyWins]

I don't think it really is though? We don't see nearly as many attempts at an all girls alliance partly because they don't need to be made out of necessity like they do on BB. The girls that get on Survivor are ready to play and are a lot more mercenary and actively playing the game and trying to win. There's a huge difference between Survivor women and Big Brother women.
Eh, I guess I could see this. The girls are generally more aggressive/smarter players on Survivor. :idc:

However, it doesn't change the fact that many love the all girl alliances and hate the all guy alliances on Survivor as well despite the show being very balanced in gender roles, winners, and what not...

[Macie Lightfoot]

Alliances in Survivor usually aren't as homogeneous as they are in Big Brother, so I think comparing the two is apples and oranges. The only ones that come to mind are the Black Widow Brigade, which most people love due to the star power of Parvati and Cirie more than anything, and Kim's alliance in One World, which I don't think anyone can muster up any sort of opinion about.

And again, the past statistics and gender politics behind BBUS is the reason that some people appear to blindly root for women just because of their gender. The show and its fanbase wouldn't be in this position if women were cast as more than token showmance filler, if there wasn't always a girl in the cast ready to cannibalize her gender in attempt to be the last woman standing, if a woman was able to win the show by her own merit (which again, hasn't happened since 2005), etc. The attitude is a product of the circumstances of the show, not the other way around.

[Jack_]

Exactly. She has done nothing 'bad' that warrants any hate really. If she wanted all the males out she'd be loved. It's ridiculous how unfairly guys get judged on this show.

Like if the guys want girls out they're 'sexist' but if girls want guys out they're 'legends' :facepalm:

I actually agree with this and one of the most annoying things about this forum is its blind support of women just for the sake of it under the guise of some kind of faux feminism, but that isn't actually the reason I dislike Nicole. She's whiny as hell (I actually think she's like the male Cody), her showmance is nauseating and any of the mildly endearing aspects of her personality there may have been in BB16 have completely evaporated this season.

All that being said, she doesn't deserve to be booed. One of my favourite things about North American BB's are the warm reception 99% of the houseguests receive upon their exit, and if they're booed you know (most of the time) they've been a real ****. It's a much nicer atmosphere than BBUK with its incessant booing and nasty chanting

[LukeB]

The US crowd are amazing but I still can't forgive them booing Christine lmao, she had more booes than Aaryn :umm2:

[LukeB]

I wish we had different returnees tbh. I liked Nicole and James from their original seasons but they have annoyed me and I'm pretty sure James is playing for AFP instead of 500k :umm2: it seems like those two have stolen 2 peoples places.

[Jack_]

I did tell you they were pretty disappointing choices :laugh:

[LukeB]

I did tell you they were pretty disappointing choices :laugh:

I thought positive that they were going to do better but they have disappointed me.. I have no idea out of James and Nicole though who is the most disappointment

Nicole has no social game at all and spends all her time with Corey :umm2: I don't get the rat/snake hate because "welcome to big brother.gif" :laugh:(twitter aim) but I get the showmance hate which is what put me off her. Some showmances work but some are gross, he doesn't even like her lmao

and there's James who yet again desperate for a showmance and he's obsessed with being loved by America and he thinks he will be top 3 for the AFP I think he wants AFP more than $500k :laugh:

Da''Vonne did better this season and Frank 50/50 but I prefer him to those two lmao (hated him on BB14)

[Jack_]

To give Nicole her credit she is doing something right to have lasted this long, and I do wish I'd actually posted pre-season that she'd be my prediction to win because she genuinely was, but she hasn't gone about it in the way I expected nor one I find at all entertaining or endearing :laugh:

I actually preferred James more this season until he tanked his and Natalie's games in the last couple of weeks. It's interesting people bring up AFP because I'm sure I read that it went to his head last year and he thought he was a much bigger celeb than he was and above interacting with fans, so God help him if he gets it again

I didn't know Frank before this season and didn't like him initially but in hindsight I'd have taken him over eight weeks of Paulie or whatever it was. And I enjoyed Day just as much but we got more of her so :love:

[Macie Lightfoot]

I think it was just way too soon for all the vets and siblings. I don't think Nicole or James were really that different to how they were in their original seasons, it's just that their circumstances and positions within the house changed. Both of their appeals were being underdogs in seasons that desperately needed them at the time. It's interest at a conceptual level how Nicole came full circle and morphed into Christine, and how James served as the Meg to Natalie and talked her out of her accurate intuition, but in practice it resulted in a bunch of gross outcomes I didn't want to happen.

[LukeB]

To give Nicole her credit she is doing something right to have lasted this long, and I do wish I'd actually posted pre-season that she'd be my prediction to win because she genuinely was, but she hasn't gone about it in the way I expected nor one I find at all entertaining or endearing :laugh:

I actually preferred James more this season until he tanked his and Natalie's games in the last couple of weeks. It's interesting people bring up AFP because I'm sure I read that it went to his head last year and he thought he was a much bigger celeb than he was and above interacting with fans, so God help him if he gets it again

I didn't know Frank before this season and didn't like him initially but in hindsight I'd have taken him over eight weeks of Paulie or whatever it was. And I enjoyed Day just as much but we got more of her so :love:

She was nominated a lot during bb16 and now she is the only HG to not be put up so yeah she is doing something right I guess but hopefully Paul wins next week and sends her home :fc: but I think Paul would trash Nicole in the final 2 :think: so if he can win over Nicole then he needs to take her... I only want Paul/Victor to win mainly Paul who has played a great social game. #friendship

[Macie Lightfoot]

so Paul's going on his usual unnedessarily stir up **** power trip and called James in for an interrogation about why Natalie targeted him when she was HOH. James, ever the player, managed to somehow get Paul and Victor to believe that Natalie threatened to never talk to him again if he works with them (she made this threat about Nicole and Corey) and all he managed to do was give Paul and Victor even more ammunition to **** on Natalie for. Good job James!

[LukeB]

So Nicole and James threw their BB experience away for a showmance and Corey and Natalie don't want anything outside of big brother. lmao this is why you shouldn't throw your game away for a female/male folks.

[Macie Lightfoot]

There's a decent chance Nicole wins the season and James wins AFP so I'm sure they're gonna be really upset they threw away their BB experience for $500,000 and $25,000.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Also, I think the idea of "Poor James, he's gonna have his heart broken by that evil conniving Jersey girl Natalie" is a bunch of **** considering how many times he sold her out, all the things he's kept from her, and how he's generally been more concerned about making moves to benefit Nicole and Paulie rather than Natalie. I don't think Natalie's a victim, but James certainly isn't one himself.

[Raph]

Ugh of course Natalie just wants to be friends. Also saying it made her uncomfortable when James touched her leg last night like give it a break woman :laugh: she's so opportunistic it's unreal Paulie was right all along. I'm glad she seems to have butchered her chances at AFP though!

[Macie Lightfoot]

She never said they were going to be dating outside the house so I don't see how that's inconsistent with anything but okay.

[Headie]

I'm glad she seems to have butchered her chances at AFP though!

What gives you that impression?

The fact that Nicole is practically locked in for F2 just boosts Nat's chances even more of winning AFP. Paulie, Victor and Paul couldn't even win a damn care package so they've got no chance of AFP.

[Macie Lightfoot]

And I'm pretty sure all Natalie did was push James's hand off her leg, and maybe it has to do with the fact that they've been fighting the last few days and she's pissed at him. But I'm sure that'll just get spun around into how Natalie's an ungrateful little hussy and how dare she be mad at James when he carried her to this point. Or something like that, idk. The lengths you two go to stick to your story is impressive I guess.

[Peppermint]

Meh I don't think the care packages are gonna have a lot to do with AFH. Like I still realistically see Paul and Victor having more votes than Corey/Michelle unless they are in the final 2 of course.