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arista
09-11-2016, 04:30 AM
Andrew on BBC1HD
just said
Fox News said Canada's
Immigration Site Has CRASHED

shocking

Benjamin
09-11-2016, 04:32 AM
Ben
Sit on my Lap

Will I get to feel your force :dazzler:

MTVN
09-11-2016, 04:33 AM
Hardly seems possible now that Trump won't win

Pete.
09-11-2016, 04:33 AM
I give up

Rob!
09-11-2016, 04:33 AM
Good ****ING god

arista
09-11-2016, 04:34 AM
Thank You ITV1HD
for showing Clinton HQ
with Crying young women

arista
09-11-2016, 04:34 AM
Hardly seems possible now that Trump won't win


You Are Most Wise
MTVN

Northern Monkey
09-11-2016, 04:34 AM
Thank You ITV1HD
for showing Clinton HQ
with Crying young women

:joker:

Maru
09-11-2016, 04:34 AM
MSNBC called Florida

reece(:
09-11-2016, 04:35 AM
What a diabolical year for politics, there really is no hope

Praying for the USA

MTVN
09-11-2016, 04:35 AM
Fox has called Wisconsin for Trump

Brother Leon
09-11-2016, 04:36 AM
This...is....happening. Just..wow. I can't even be optimistic anymore. Sorry,peeps.

LaLaLand
09-11-2016, 04:36 AM
Is this actually real life!?

I honestly didn't think in a million years...

Rob!
09-11-2016, 04:37 AM
I feel like I live on a different planet to so many people. Dazed, confused and angry.

Maru
09-11-2016, 04:37 AM
Thank You ITV1HD
for showing Clinton HQ
with Crying young women

Yes, let's chuckle at people being highly stressed at the idea of an America they are not at all familiar with.

Not cool.

Amy Jade
09-11-2016, 04:37 AM
I hope some celebs move over here, lets turf the queen out into a council house and hand buckingham palace over to Beyoncé

Jack_
09-11-2016, 04:38 AM
Poor Emily sounds sad :(

Benjamin
09-11-2016, 04:38 AM
I hope some celebs move over here, lets turf the queen out into a council house and hand buckingham palace over to Beyoncé

Alas U.K. Is no better with Brexit. Send them to NZ

Amy Jade
09-11-2016, 04:38 AM
Thank You ITV1HD
for showing Clinton HQ
with Crying young women

A young woman scared for her future driven to tears and you're enjoying that?

arista
09-11-2016, 04:39 AM
TRUMP WIN


Clinton folks leaving NYC centre
NDTV india could not get any on camera


I am Jumping High


Posting Again
as Numbers getting faster


LBC called it TRUMP WIN

Brother Leon
09-11-2016, 04:40 AM
At least Weed is legal in most places now after today. America gonna need it :laugh:

arista
09-11-2016, 04:40 AM
I am Jumping In the Air
LT

Maru
09-11-2016, 04:41 AM
At least Weed is legal in most places now after today. America gonna need it :laugh:

In most places?... you mean a few states?

arista
09-11-2016, 04:41 AM
At least Weed is legal in most places now after today. America gonna need it :laugh:


For Sure

Samm
09-11-2016, 04:42 AM
congrats america a win for racism, homophobe, sexism etc. I can't wait for the country to split apart in the coming months.

Anybody that supports this man and his values is equally as disgusting and vile as he is, (most) of the older generation (same with brexit) have decided on a future path which is horrible and now for the younger generation we will have to suffer.

Jack_
09-11-2016, 04:43 AM
Y'all were warned not to underestimate the disenfranchised and to stop lauding a terrible candidate just because she's a woman. This isn't Big Brother :idc:

I'm as disheartened as anyone else but the writing has been on the wall for a long time and pretending it wasn't happening helps no one

arista
09-11-2016, 04:43 AM
USA Corp Tax to Come Down
America Is Great again

Pete.
09-11-2016, 04:44 AM
To think we could have witnessed history with the first female president (which is never going to happen btw) instead they elected the same old white Republican

Brother Leon
09-11-2016, 04:44 AM
Not sure this is what Netflix had in mind with "Orange is the new Black".

Maru
09-11-2016, 04:45 AM
And MSNBC called GA for Trump

Maru
09-11-2016, 04:45 AM
244...

reece(:
09-11-2016, 04:46 AM
To think we could have witnessed history with the first female president (which is never going to happen btw) instead they elected the same old white Republican

He isn't even republican, he's an insult to their cause

Maru
09-11-2016, 04:46 AM
Wake up call for the country. Been coming a long time. And not the kind of narrative anyone expected.

Amy Jade
09-11-2016, 04:46 AM
I'll wake up to a new law in the US that men can sexually abuse women won't I? :worry:

arista
09-11-2016, 04:46 AM
Y'all were warned not to underestimate the disenfranchised and to stop lauding a terrible candidate just because she's a woman. This isn't Big Brother :idc:

I'm as disheartened as anyone else but the writing has been on the wall for a long time and pretending it wasn't happening helps no one



It is like that
but with Numbers



PRESIDENT TRUMP
Ian Dale said we must get used to saying it (LBC Live)

Maru
09-11-2016, 04:47 AM
He isn't even republican, he's an insult to their cause

Trump actually was democrat and an avid Clinton support in NY... he is only riding the Republican base because they're really easy to troll apparently

Mokka
09-11-2016, 04:47 AM
To think we could have witnessed history with the first female president (which is never going to happen btw) instead they elected the same old white Republican

I wouldn't call him the same old whte rebublican..
He is much much worse than any we have seen before.... the old white rebublicans dont even back him

Amy Jade
09-11-2016, 04:47 AM
I'll never call it president.

Jack_
09-11-2016, 04:47 AM
The first female president will happen, but only when:

A) the left (and centrists in general, to be honest) have picked themselves up and put together a coherent message that resonates with the same disenfranchised who are being enthused by far right populism

B) when a better female candidate runs

C) western politics becomes more progressive, which will happen generationally (as it has throughout recent history)

arista
09-11-2016, 04:47 AM
I'll wake up to a new law in the US that men can sexually abuse women won't I? :worry:


NO AMY


it goes on in the UK



Stay Positive
think of a New Job - out there

Pete.
09-11-2016, 04:47 AM
And MSNBC called GA for Trump
Why have Girls Aloud done this

Benjamin
09-11-2016, 04:48 AM
To be honest USA has been a civil war waiting to happen for a while now.

Maru
09-11-2016, 04:48 AM
CNN calling GA now...

Why have Girls Aloud done this

Haha!

Pete.
09-11-2016, 04:48 AM
I wouldn't call him the same old whte rebublican..
He is much much worse than any we have seen before.... the old white rebublicans dont even back him


These results say otherwise

Maru
09-11-2016, 04:49 AM
To be honest USA has been a civil war waiting to happen for a while now.

I think that's a reach tbqf. Most people can't even be arsed to vote in the primaries

Amy Jade
09-11-2016, 04:49 AM
I wouldn't call him the same old whte rebublican..
He is much much worse than any we have seen before.... the old white rebublicans dont even back him

Apparently they do.

Amy Jade
09-11-2016, 04:50 AM
NO AMY


it goes on in the UK



Stay Positive
think of a New Job - out there

I won't visit while he's in power.

arista
09-11-2016, 04:52 AM
I won't visit while he's in power.


You Might


Stay positive
Keep your Chin Up

Mokka
09-11-2016, 04:52 AM
These results say otherwise

Apparently they do.

I don't think you guys are getting the same news I am getting... it isn't the old rich white man voting Trump....it is the poor, uneducated, working class broken lower than middke class that made this machine run. The rich white folk have been flocking from him for weeks

Maru
09-11-2016, 04:53 AM
I don't think you guys are getting the same news I am getting... it isn't the old rich white man voting Trump....it is the poor, uneducated, working class broken lower than middke class that made this machine run. The rich white folk have been flicking from him for weeks

This basically.

Mokka
09-11-2016, 04:54 AM
Hilary HQ is playing....what doesn't kill you makes you stronger :facepalm:

Pete.
09-11-2016, 04:55 AM
Hilary HQ is playing....what doesn't kill you makes you stronger :facepalm:
Screaming :love:

Mokka
09-11-2016, 04:56 AM
They are now predicting recounts and an all nighter in a few states

Northern Monkey
09-11-2016, 04:57 AM
Well i'm shocked.I didn't think Trump could win.I think it shows mainly how terrible Hillary is.Nobody likes her.

Macie Lightfoot
09-11-2016, 04:57 AM
Mokka can I come up north and take refuge with you because hooooooooooooly **** I'm alarmed beyond belief

arista
09-11-2016, 04:58 AM
"B) when a better female candidate runs"

Bang On Right Jack

Pete.
09-11-2016, 04:58 AM
I'm trying to remain positive but failing. Hopefully Trump's stans can tell me because the only possibility is that Russia-US relations might ease?

Amy Jade
09-11-2016, 04:59 AM
You Might


Stay positive
Keep your Chin Up

I won't, I have no faith in him to keep me safe if I were to visit.

Ammi
09-11-2016, 04:59 AM
..I bow to the votes of the American people...if Trump is what they want, let them live with Trump...

Mokka
09-11-2016, 04:59 AM
Mokka can I come up north and take refuge with you because hooooooooooooly **** I'm alarmed beyond belief

Lol... perched for our BBCan watch nights in February :laugh:

Maru
09-11-2016, 05:00 AM
Guys, you realize in a democracy, sometimes the results will not go with the mainstream popular vote right?

Brother Leon
09-11-2016, 05:00 AM
Can we please not make this a gender thing? Hilary is a terribly unpopular candidate and she has largely bought that on herself. There was always this possibility of happening from when she got the nomination over Bernie. Donald freakin' Trump. How unlikable must you be...

arista
09-11-2016, 05:01 AM
I won't, I have no faith in him to keep me safe if I were to visit.


It was not safe the Last 8 Years in USA
Terrorist Murders
Black on Black Murders




It can all Change Now
do not rush into to Blanking it, please

arista
09-11-2016, 05:03 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cwy1qznVIAAx0p9.jpg

Babayaro.
09-11-2016, 05:06 AM
Welp. A mess

Ammi
09-11-2016, 05:06 AM
Can we please not make this a gender thing? Hilary is a terribly unpopular candidate and she has largely bought that on herself. There was always this possibility of happening from when she got the nomination order Bernie. Donald drinking Trump. How unlikable must you be...

...I found it really cringy last night watching some females being interviewed about their voting and how excited and emotional they were with the thought of the first female president...it should never be about gender, it should only be about the right person who they believed was most deserving of their vote...a vote for a female president for that reason alone is the same as an anti-establishment vote for no other reason than it's anti.../regardless of the low merits of that person...

arista
09-11-2016, 05:08 AM
Morning Ammi


Welcome to 24x7 HD

Maru
09-11-2016, 05:08 AM
I don't think it's even just Hillary (though she is a terrible candidate!). I think the liberalism is highly visible in our culture (particularly media) and it's been accepted as the eventual fate (read: shoved down our throats) for so many years... people took it for granted that it was going to just keep going that way, either for or against their wishes... that heavily influenced polling and that clearly affected turn out.

I really don't even think most people realize what they're even voting for... their reasons for supporting either of these idiots are very simplistic. If you ask them what is going on down-ballot, they don't know... I always ask. Very few know their names. This result will is a symptom of that problem.

Don't fool yourselves into thinking that Hillary voters are more intelligent than Trump voters... they're not. They all helped to make this election so negative instead of finding a core message we could all agree on, which AIDED to shift the pendulum to him... anyway, the blame should be shared across the board in my opinion... media, pundits, voters, platforms, political interest, medical, police, everyone has had their hand in influencing change... and they sat by and let both of these get to the top of the ticket.

Jack_
09-11-2016, 05:08 AM
I don't think you guys are getting the same news I am getting... it isn't the old rich white man voting Trump....it is the poor, uneducated, working class broken lower than middke class that made this machine run. The rich white folk have been flocking from him for weeks

Correct.

The terms 'racist' and 'sexist' will be thrown around in the days, weeks and months following this result (much like they were post-Brexit) but it's reductionist nonsense that solves nothing. You cannot begin to prevent things like this from happening without first understanding why they do.

Right wing anti-establishment populism is on the rise across the west precisely because of the failings capitalism and globalisation have had on the lives of working class communities that have been left behind and not listened to. It is essential that the left puts together a coherent alternative that addresses people's very real concerns with the actual answers.

It will not be easy, it will not happen overnight, but it won't happen while we stick our fingers in our ears and chastise swathes of disenfranchised people.

Maru
09-11-2016, 05:08 AM
Iowa for Trump........ 238

Macie Lightfoot
09-11-2016, 05:08 AM
Our (I know I'm one of the few Americans here but I'm still gonna use the plural) president believes that China invented global warming, and our vice president believes that you can electrocute the gay out of people and wants us to have funerals for aborted babies.

I ****ing quit this is a nightmare.

arista
09-11-2016, 05:09 AM
Welp. A mess


Not for us Business Folks


America Is Great Again

reece(:
09-11-2016, 05:10 AM
Our (I know I'm one of the few Americans here but I'm still gonna use the plural) president believes that China invented global warming, and our vice president believes that you can electrocute the gay out of people and wants us to have funerals for aborted babies.

I ****ing quit this is a nightmare.
The vice president really is a dangerous man with insane beliefs, and it seems he'll be pulling the strings as he has the political background.

Ammi
09-11-2016, 05:10 AM
Morning Ammi


Welcome to 24x7 HD

...morning honey..:love:..I did stay awake quite late but I couldn't quite make the whole night...

Maru
09-11-2016, 05:10 AM
We're going to get an Atlantic/Pacific sized bowl of humble soup over the next years to feast on. That's fine. That's the change they voted for. The system worked as intended.

Brother Leon
09-11-2016, 05:10 AM
796141495573155840

Devastating if true. Have fun, America.

arista
09-11-2016, 05:11 AM
Our (I know I'm one of the few Americans here but I'm still gonna use the plural) president believes that China invented global warming, and our vice president believes that you can electrocute the gay out of people and wants us to have funerals for aborted babies.

I ****ing quit this is a nightmare.


No No NO
stop getting wrong info
all that UPDATED now


Trump went to a Gay event rally

Pete.
09-11-2016, 05:11 AM
Shocked that people are discounting the factor of gender in this campaign when it's clear that a lot of backwards Americans will see that Clinton is a female and instantly turn against her/not vote for her. Correct me if that is wrong but that's how I see it. Was she even a terrible candidate too? At least she had policies and a mentality that seemingly worked so well with Obama for 8 years ...

reece(:
09-11-2016, 05:13 AM
Trump lead in Pennsylvania

arista
09-11-2016, 05:13 AM
796141495573155840

Devastating if true. Have fun, America.


they are not Official


Its not part of Trump
he has loads of Blacks
on his Team.


There is always some wankers
ignore them
stay on track with real TV news please

Ammi
09-11-2016, 05:14 AM
Shocked that people are discounting the factor of gender in this campaign when it's clear that a lot of backwards Americans will see that Clinton is a female and instantly turn against her/not vote for her. Correct me if that is wrong but that's how I see it. Was she even a terrible candidate too? At least she had policies and a mentality that seemingly worked so well with Obama for 8 years ...

...hmmm, when you have a terrible female candidate though, you can't really factor the female bit, I think it's the terrible bit that's mostly been factored.../that for me was one of the biggest things I didn't like through her campaign, was that she 'called female' and sexism so much, rather than owning why she wasn't liked and listening to that...

arista
09-11-2016, 05:15 AM
Shocked that people are discounting the factor of gender in this campaign when it's clear that a lot of backwards Americans will see that Clinton is a female and instantly turn against her/not vote for her. Correct me if that is wrong but that's how I see it. Was she even a terrible candidate too? At least she had policies and a mentality that seemingly worked so well with Obama for 8 years ...


WRONG
its she is a Corrupt Women


Another Dem Women can run
not her

Jack_
09-11-2016, 05:15 AM
796219013491736576

:D

some light relief

James
09-11-2016, 05:15 AM
796141495573155840

Devastating if true. Have fun, America.

That's a troll account. That person is always posting fake football news about riots starting and things like that.

Maru
09-11-2016, 05:16 AM
Shocked that people are discounting the factor of gender in this campaign when it's clear that a lot of backwards Americans will see that Clinton is a female and instantly turn against her/not vote for her. Correct me if that is wrong but that's how I see it. Was she even a terrible candidate too? At least she had policies and a mentality that seemingly worked so well under Obama...

For the last part, that's not the consensus among her detractors. Bengazi was a huge red flag for her running our country, from a foreign affairs perspective...(I know, Trump isn't any better)

I don't fully discount her gender being a factor. I think that people are going to be more harsh of a female candidate, whether ingrained or not... I personally haven't heard anything about her gender here... just that she's not palatable. That's arguably gender-based.

I think that so many negative labels got attached to her... it's been happening for years. We knew she would run for president when she took the senate. People didn't like her then either, but we were prepared for her run.... she's had every negative label thrown at her, for a longer period much longer than Trump... she's never been the people's princess or anything.

I guess because people assumed Trump had all these negative headlines, that it would somehow be worse for Trump... not necessarily. Hillary has been in our consciousness longer and her wounds are deepened by the fact she is very much a part of the establishment.

Mokka
09-11-2016, 05:18 AM
796219013491736576

:D

some light relief

Ah Trevor :flutter:

I am a long time fan

arista
09-11-2016, 05:20 AM
...morning honey..:love:..I did stay awake quite late but I couldn't quite make the whole night...


How Nice

Mokka
09-11-2016, 05:20 AM
Our (I know I'm one of the few Americans here but I'm still gonna use the plural) president believes that China invented global warming, and our vice president believes that you can electrocute the gay out of people and wants us to have funerals for aborted babies.

I ****ing quit this is a nightmare.

:hug:

I feel for you

Maru
09-11-2016, 05:21 AM
PA... 48.2% each.... he's ahead by 2400 though

Maru
09-11-2016, 05:21 AM
****, I have to get up and go to jury duty... I completely forgot......well that's going to be interesting! :laugh:

Benjamin
09-11-2016, 05:22 AM
****, I have to get up and go to jury duty... I completely forgot......well that's going to be interesting! :laugh:

:joker:

Mokka
09-11-2016, 05:22 AM
PA... 48.2% each.... he's ahead by 2400 though

My coverage just said he was ahead half that amount....just over 1000.... so many states will be recounted I think

Maru
09-11-2016, 05:24 AM
My coverage just said he was ahead half that amount....just over 1000.... so many states will be recounted I think

It really comes down to county by county margins... if they're all too close.

Brother Leon
09-11-2016, 05:26 AM
Nevada to Clinton.

Maru
09-11-2016, 05:26 AM
Suddenly the media are taking Trump voter's concerns more seriously... "Well clearly something is wrong here..." :facepalm:


Ahaha, Clinton took NH.... 18 votes ahead!

Mokka
09-11-2016, 05:27 AM
Suddenly the media are taking Trump voter's concerns more seriously... "Well clearly something is wrong here..." :facepalm:


Ahaha, Clinton took NH.... 18 votes ahead!

I know... the media flip flop over the last hour is too much

Maru
09-11-2016, 05:28 AM
NASDAQ & SP 500 futures halted until morning for crash prevention or whatever it's called (didn't hear it)

Mokka
09-11-2016, 05:29 AM
NASDAQ & SP 500 futures halted until morning for crash prevention or whatever it's called (didn't hear it)

The middle/lower class of America are probably loving this.... in theory :smug:

Northern Monkey
09-11-2016, 05:31 AM
Suddenly the media are taking Trump voter's concerns more seriously... "Well clearly something is wrong here..." :facepalm:


Ahaha, Clinton took NH.... 18 votes ahead!

:laugh:

Maru
09-11-2016, 05:31 AM
The middle/lower class of America are probably loving this.... in theory :smug:

(inserts obligatory camel through the eye of a needle bible quote)

Mokka
09-11-2016, 05:31 AM
When this night is over... I am putting Serious Debates and arista on block :smug:

reece(:
09-11-2016, 05:33 AM
796220439542439936

Mokka
09-11-2016, 05:33 AM
(inserts obligatory camel through the eye of a needle bible quote)

Replies with building house on sandy soil bible quote :hehe:

Brother Leon
09-11-2016, 05:35 AM
796222841612042240

The Democrats and Clinton campaign really bought this on themselves. Congrats on creating this monster.

Jack_
09-11-2016, 05:35 AM
Andrew: 'I have breaking news. So far this election night, Donald Trump has not claimed the vote has been rigged'

:D

Maru
09-11-2016, 05:35 AM
Andrew: 'I have breaking news. So far this election night, Donald Trump has not claimed the vote has been rigged'

:D

:joker:

arista
09-11-2016, 05:36 AM
"CNN guests have now said "Brexit vote" ten times in last ten minutes. Amazing how it is seen as a critical parallel. #ElectionNight"


https://twitter.com/StigAbell



Yes Stig mate
they are lazy

Ammi
09-11-2016, 05:36 AM
..I think it's sadly an era of avoidance with governments and leaders and not addressing concerns and frustrations in their people..I don't think an anti establishment of Trump will give the US what is needed though..what was needed was the strongest of people to lead who would address but address through experience but sadly no one was there to be found...

Maru
09-11-2016, 05:38 AM
Looks like he will pick up PA....

Ammi
09-11-2016, 05:39 AM
Andrew: 'I have breaking news. So far this election night, Donald Trump has not claimed the vote has been rigged'

:D

...:laugh:..he's too busy figuring out where to start../crikey I won, what do I do now, I need a plan or something...

Mokka
09-11-2016, 05:40 AM
Looks like he will pick up PA....

By the narrowest of margins.... crazy ... just crazy

Maru
09-11-2016, 05:41 AM
CNN "It's increasingly looking like we have a Brexit on our hands"

arista
09-11-2016, 05:41 AM
Lets See Ammi
Also he needs more Bullet Proof Glass


Quincy Jones said on Newsnight
if Trump Wins
he will leave America

Jack_
09-11-2016, 05:45 AM
loooool I quite enjoyed that constitutional discussion of the electoral college vote tying, the House vote tying etc etc

Jack_
09-11-2016, 05:45 AM
...:laugh:..he's too busy figuring out where to start../crikey I won, what do I do now, I need a plan or something...

Nailed it!

Ammi
09-11-2016, 05:46 AM
CNN "It's increasingly looking like we have a Brexit on our hands"

..again though..(as lovely a person Obama is..)...allowing frustrations to build in the feeling that he wasn't pro-active enough and strong enough..?...and so this is the result...

Ammi
09-11-2016, 05:48 AM
..I wonder what his victory song will be, most artists have banned him from using their music.../he might sing himself in his first gig...

Mokka
09-11-2016, 05:49 AM
I just heard a sound bite of Trump saying women who have an abortion need to be criminally punished :worry:

I ..... just ....can't

jaxie
09-11-2016, 05:51 AM
Waiting on the legal challenges to try to stop new presidency going ahead. Maybe we can lend them Gina Miller.

arista
09-11-2016, 05:51 AM
Clinton HQ
has turned of 7 News feeds
to stop them crying so much

Bliss

arista
09-11-2016, 05:52 AM
Waiting on the legal challenges to try to stop new presidency going ahead. Maybe we can lend them Gina Miller.


Gina over there would be shot dead, sadly.

Jack_
09-11-2016, 05:52 AM
I just heard a sound bite of Trump saying women who have an abortion need to be criminally punished :worry:

I ..... just ....can't

I could probably have dealt with this result more had the Dems controlled the Senate :worry:

It's an All-Out Republican Nightmare

Jack_
09-11-2016, 05:53 AM
I can't believe eight years of Obama are about to be undone by Donald ****ing Trump D:

Jamie89
09-11-2016, 05:54 AM
I've said all along I thought Trump might win but for some reason now it's looking like he will I'm a little stunned, can't quite believe it :shocked:

jaxie
09-11-2016, 05:54 AM
I can't believe eight years of Obama are about to be undone by Donald ****ing Trump D:

To be fair Obama hasn't been much more than a lukewarm president. He had a lot of promise but little fulfilled.

arista
09-11-2016, 05:55 AM
I just heard a sound bite of Trump saying women who have an abortion need to be criminally punished :worry:

I ..... just ....can't



Stop
Out Of Date


Now updated


Move Forward

Brillopad
09-11-2016, 05:57 AM
Waiting on the legal challenges to try to stop new presidency going ahead. Maybe we can lend them Gina Miller.

Ha ha very good!:

Beso
09-11-2016, 05:58 AM
Looks like common sense has prevailed though and the right person has almost crossed the line...

Mokka
09-11-2016, 05:59 AM
To be fair Obama hasn't been much more than a lukewarm president. He had a lot of promise but little fulfilled.

So tired of hearing this....the Rebublican senate blocked his every move. So tired of hearing how vile Hilary is... the whole world is now going to see the very definition of vile. They never knew the meaning of the word before. Trump isn't going to take down and build a better america... he is going to burn it to the ground ... and leave it in smoldering ashes. Never has the shame gif been more appropriate... shame on you America.

Alf
09-11-2016, 05:59 AM
Nigel Farage says,

"Trump likes the UK and they will be at the front of the queue"

Ammi
09-11-2016, 06:00 AM
To be fair Obama hasn't been much more than a lukewarm president. He had a lot of promise but little fulfilled.

...I guess the system and establishment has to be looked at as well and how restricts the fulfilling of..?...because the president is just a front person and not really the decision maker.../my feelings are that the things that people have voted for in Trump can't be fulfilled to any greater degree either and that's the 'anti-establishment' that is doomed to fail.../we'll see as the old Chinese gurus would say...

Brillopad
09-11-2016, 06:01 AM
I can't believe eight years of Obama are about to be undone by Donald ****ing Trump D:

Eight years of nothing - this is the result!

Ammi
09-11-2016, 06:01 AM
Looks like common sense has prevailed though and the right person has almost crossed the line...

..good morning and hush down child..:laugh:..




...:love:...

Jack_
09-11-2016, 06:02 AM
To be fair Obama hasn't been much more than a lukewarm president. He had a lot of promise but little fulfilled.

That has a lot to do with the Republican's control of Congress really. But even then, as much as Obama has his faults, he's still achieved a fair amount:

https://www.facebook.com/ajplusenglish/videos/813321578809351/

Jack_
09-11-2016, 06:03 AM
Eight years of nothing - this is the result!

I'd recommend watching the excellent BBC documentary series 'Inside Obama's White House'. You'll see it's far from 'nothing' and understand the difficulties he's faced getting legislation through.

Brillopad
09-11-2016, 06:03 AM
So tired of hearing this....the Rebublican senate blocked his every move. So tired of hearing how vile Hilary is... the whole world is now going to see the very definition of vile. They never knew the meaning of the word before. Trump isn't going to take down and build a better america... he is going to burn it to the ground ... and leave it in smoldering ashes. Never has the shame gif been more appropriate... shame on you America.

Shame on America for not listening to its people - it's a rebellion!

Mokka
09-11-2016, 06:05 AM
I'd recommend watching the excellent BBC documentary series 'Inside Obama's White House'. You'll see it's far from 'nothing' and understand the difficulties he's faced getting legislation through.

:clap1:

Ugggh... i wish i could stop watching this train wreck....

Mokka
09-11-2016, 06:06 AM
Shame on America for not listening to its people - it's a rebellion!

They only hurt themselves with the rebellion... oh...and the rest of the world who are aligned with them as a superpower and economic trade partner

Beso
09-11-2016, 06:09 AM
E..good morning and hush down child..:laugh:..




...:love:...

Im well chuffed...now lets preserve the memory of the late Lord Such and get the monster raving loony party in here.

Beat thing about this though is the fact that a non politician wins......MORNING AMMI X

arista
09-11-2016, 06:14 AM
"Thankfully, the British Parliament didn't do anything foolish like debate banning the new President of America from entering Britain."

https://twitter.com/StigAbell


Bang On Right Stig

Maru
09-11-2016, 06:14 AM
I really feel terrible for Clinton, she really did want this

jaxie
09-11-2016, 06:14 AM
...I guess the system and establishment has to be looked at as well and how restricts the fulfilling of..?...because the president is just a front person and not really the decision maker.../my feelings are that the things that people have voted for in Trump can't be fulfilled to any greater degree either and that's the 'anti-establishment' that is doomed to fail.../we'll see as the old Chinese gurus would say...

Yup in all things time will tell.

arista
09-11-2016, 06:14 AM
https://twitter.com/StigAbell

"Thankfully, the British Parliament didn't do anything foolish like debate banning the new President of America from entering Britain."


Bang on Right Stig

Maru
09-11-2016, 06:15 AM
...I guess the system and establishment has to be looked at as well and how restricts the fulfilling of..?...because the president is just a front person and not really the decision maker.../my feelings are that the things that people have voted for in Trump can't be fulfilled to any greater degree either and that's the 'anti-establishment' that is doomed to fail.../we'll see as the old Chinese gurus would say...

So far looks like GOP might have total control...I hadn't seen anything about senate, but they kept house

Smithy
09-11-2016, 06:16 AM
Oh god :worry:

Ammi
09-11-2016, 06:18 AM
Im well chuffed...now lets preserve the memory of the late Lord Such and get the monster raving loony party in here.

Beat thing about this though is the fact that a non politician wins.

..thing is though Parmy, I think at the most negative times which many countries are feeling atm, a politician is exactly what's needed... it's just that Hilary wasn't that politician and never would have been either.../their personalities aside, neither of them would be a 'best thing' for the country and for the job.../it's just all that America was given to choose between...so there was never going to be a win, no matter who got the job...

Macie Lightfoot
09-11-2016, 06:20 AM
is this what Brexit felt like? I don't understand British politics at all but I know that result was similarly harrowing

jaxie
09-11-2016, 06:20 AM
..thing is though Parmy, I think at the most negative times which many countries are feeling atm, a politician is exactly what's needed... it's just that Hilary wasn't that politician and never would have been either.../their personalities aside, neither of them would be a 'best thing' for the country and for the job.../it's just all that America was given to choose between...so there was never going to be a win, no matter who got the job...

It is a little bizarre when you think about it isn't it, with all the people and wealth in the US these two candidates were the best they could come up with. :shrug:

Smithy
09-11-2016, 06:21 AM
Guess we can just hope for an assassination now :worry:

Jack_
09-11-2016, 06:21 AM
I really feel terrible for Clinton, she really did want this

Yeah, I'm no raving fan but it's gotta suck to spend your life devoted to politics, see your husband serve two terms as president, dream that you may finally get the opportunity - and then lose it all

lewis111
09-11-2016, 06:22 AM
Praying for America and all Ethnic minorities, women and member of the LGBT community in it because they've got a tough few years coming now

But well done white men :/

lewis111
09-11-2016, 06:22 AM
Yeah, I'm no raving fan but it's gotta suck to spend your life devoted to politics, see your husband serve two terms as president, dream that you may finally get the opportunity - and then lose it all

Must be even worse to loose to a man who's not even a political figure

jaxie
09-11-2016, 06:22 AM
is this what Brexit felt like? I don't understand British politics at all but I know that result was similarly harrowing

No after 40 years of stolen democracy Brexit felt pretty damn amazing. Exciting, optimistic, freedom.

Benjamin
09-11-2016, 06:22 AM
Yeah, I'm no raving fan but it's gotta suck to spend your life devoted to politics, see your husband serve two terms as president, dream that you may finally get the opportunity - and then lose it all

And of all the people to lose it to, Donald trump.

Brother Leon
09-11-2016, 06:23 AM
796198437335289857

It really is Brexit all over again.

Alf
09-11-2016, 06:23 AM
Praying for America and all Ethnic minorities, women and member of the LGBT community in it because they've got a tough few years coming now

But well done white men :/Wow!

I see your true colours shining through

Benjamin
09-11-2016, 06:23 AM
No after 40 years of stolen democracy Brexit felt pretty damn amazing. Exciting, optimistic, freedom.

No it didn't. It was bloody awful.

Jack_
09-11-2016, 06:24 AM
is this what Brexit felt like? I don't understand British politics at all but I know that result was similarly harrowing

100%. The feeling I have now is kinda the same I had on the day post-Brexit, except with this I can step back and go 'well, at least it's not actually my country!' (even though US politics affects us anyway)

But yeah, that disheartened, saddening, disgusted, dejected feeling you have right now is exactly what Brexit felt like.

arista
09-11-2016, 06:24 AM
LGBT community
is part of Trump rally

He went to meet them
FACT

BBfanUSA
09-11-2016, 06:25 AM
A few people may say I'm being way too hopeful but The whole anti establishment storyline will continue.

If Markets continue to plummet worldwide like they are right now, Trump will have a hard time getting anything done, even with a republican controlled DC.

Trump is terrifying because he's normalized mysogeny, racism, etc. but he's about to find out that running the country (even if hands half the duties over to VP Pence) is harder than you think

jaxie
09-11-2016, 06:25 AM
Praying for America and all Ethnic minorities, women and member of the LGBT community in it because they've got a tough few years coming now

But well done white men :/

It's really off to blame one element of the community for a result you don't like. Trump had a lot of African American and Latino support.

reece(:
09-11-2016, 06:25 AM
Guess we can just hope for an assassination now :worry:

That would make Pence president which is even worse:bawling:

arista
09-11-2016, 06:25 AM
Please Stay Up to date
you lot

Stop going backwards

reece(:
09-11-2016, 06:25 AM
is this what Brexit felt like? I don't understand British politics at all but I know that result was similarly harrowing

It's a larger scale brexit

Benjamin
09-11-2016, 06:26 AM
Please Stay Up to date
you lot

Stop going backwards

We're not but at the moment it feels like the USA is.

JerseyWins
09-11-2016, 06:26 AM
Wow this is crazy. How did Trump realistically get these votes? It's bizarre.

I'm not mad because I was already mad it was down to these two candidates to begin with and don't care but.. when I think about it, man is this bad news for the US... It's kinda like a joke. I feel as if Trump isn't even qualified. :joker:

arista
09-11-2016, 06:26 AM
"Trump is terrifying"


I understand you
but its a New Better America soon

Beso
09-11-2016, 06:27 AM
..thing is though Parmy, I think at the most negative times which many countries are feeling atm, a politician is exactly what's needed... it's just that Hilary wasn't that politician and never would have been either.../their personalities aside, neither of them would be a 'best thing' for the country and for the job.../it's just all that America was given to choose between...so there was never going to be a win, no matter who got the job...

At leaat let him get his arse in the seat first before knocking him...for me i think he will unite the world cause he will be liked by the loony leaders of the world...its also good for the uk as he has said we will be on top of the pile..plus imagine having to listen to clintons voixe droning on and on for 4 yrs...now thats a result!

Mokka
09-11-2016, 06:27 AM
A few people may say I'm being way too hopeful but The whole anti establishment storyline will continue.

If Markets continue to plummet worldwide like they are right now, Trump will have a hard time getting anything done, even with a republican controlled DC.

Trump is terrifying because he's normalized mysogeny, racism, etc. but he's about to find out that running the country (even if hands half the duties over to VP Pence) is harder than you think

Well put

jaxie
09-11-2016, 06:27 AM
No it didn't. It was bloody awful.

Only if you had no understanding of the shackles you were shedding. :shrug:

arista
09-11-2016, 06:27 AM
At least let him get his arse in the seat first before knocking him...for me i think he will unite the world cause he will be liked by the loony leaders of the world...its also good for the uk as he has said we will be on top of the pile..plus imagine having to listen to clintons voixe droning on and on for 4 yrs...now thats a result!


Bang On Right
P

Benjamin
09-11-2016, 06:29 AM
Only if you had no understanding of the shackles you were shedding. :shrug:

There are always going to be shackles regardless of whether we are in or out. But it was a bad decision to leave when we did, we were and are still not ready.

Maru
09-11-2016, 06:29 AM
Yeah, I'm no raving fan but it's gotta suck to spend your life devoted to politics, see your husband serve two terms as president, dream that you may finally get the opportunity - and then lose it all

She's probably in shock I would imagine... :(

Brillopad
09-11-2016, 06:29 AM
I see this as an American vote of support for Brexit. No doubt the interference in the result of a pubic vote from Ms Miller only added fuel to the fire and to the general feelings of discontent. Two fingers up to the establishment - the people have a voice.

Like it or not this is about peoples' concerns over immigration - and will not go away.

This can only make Brexit stronger in my opinion.

arista
09-11-2016, 06:29 AM
We're not but at the moment it feels like the USA is.


No its a Great Day in USA

lewis111
09-11-2016, 06:30 AM
It's really off to blame one element of the community for a result you don't like. Trump had a lot of African American and Latino support.

63% of white men voted Trump
63% of Latino men vote Clinton

It was white men (and white women tbf) who completely decided this election

80% of black men voted for Clinton

Benjamin
09-11-2016, 06:30 AM
No its a Great Day in USA

Is it? I fail to see why.

arista
09-11-2016, 06:30 AM
"vote from Ms Miller only added fuel to the fire"


She was not on USA TV much

Maru
09-11-2016, 06:31 AM
Is it? I fail to see why.

He doesn't even live here :laugh:

Jack_
09-11-2016, 06:31 AM
Well I'm already looking forward to my lecture next week, my lecturer was talking about Trump today so he'll definitely have a lot to say next time :joker:

Mokka
09-11-2016, 06:31 AM
Is it? I fail to see why.

Don't waste you time Ben... it's like trying to talk to Trump himself

Jack_
09-11-2016, 06:32 AM
Oh how I'd love to be a fly on the wall in classrooms and offices in the UK today, discussing what the **** is actually going on

Maru
09-11-2016, 06:32 AM
Well I'm already looking forward to my lecture next week, my lecturer was talking about Trump today so he'll definitely have a lot to say next time :joker:

I'm looking forward to jury service tomorrow and the judge asking me.... "So who did you vote for?" :laugh:

arista
09-11-2016, 06:32 AM
"Drain The Swamp"

Mokka
09-11-2016, 06:33 AM
I'm looking forward to jury service tomorrow and the judge asking me.... "So who did you vote for?" :laugh:

Can they legally ask that question ???

Maru
09-11-2016, 06:33 AM
Also Saturday talking to the union after we just lost our sheriff who was actually fixing crap...

Maru
09-11-2016, 06:33 AM
Can they legally ask that question ???

I was being sarcastic. :laugh: They're going to ask me about my biases though...

reece(:
09-11-2016, 06:34 AM
Melania Trump steps into Michelle Obama's shoes... what an absolute joke

jaxie
09-11-2016, 06:34 AM
63% of white men voted Trump
63% of Latino men vote Clinton

It was white men (and white women tbf) who completely decided this election

80% of black men voted for Clinton

Women of all ethnicities have a vote, how do you know those statistics were accurate?

For every 63% There are 37% voting for someone else.

Maru
09-11-2016, 06:35 AM
Melania Trump steps into Michelle Obama's shoes... what an absolute joke

She's going to have really work on her speech skills now :laugh:

Living in Michelle Obama and Trump accusers shadows for the next four years.

Mokka
09-11-2016, 06:35 AM
I was being sarcastic. :laugh: They're going to ask me about my biases though...

Ah....sorry, it's late....and all my humour is gone tonight

Beso
09-11-2016, 06:35 AM
Lol at the canadian immigration page has crashed due to heavy traffic.

Benjamin
09-11-2016, 06:36 AM
I hope USA's next election learns a lot from this one.

Maru
09-11-2016, 06:36 AM
Ah....sorry, it's late....and all my humour is gone tonight

Understandable

Ammi
09-11-2016, 06:37 AM
Oh how I'd love to be a fly on the wall in classrooms and offices in the UK today, discussing what the **** is actually going on

...yeah we wouldn't have had that with a Hilary win../drawing positives etc...Trump setting the national curriculum which I do think will create an engagement of passion and interest whichever way opinion students have.../and that engagement and passion of interest is never a bad thing...

Mokka
09-11-2016, 06:37 AM
Lol at the canadian immigration page has crashed due to heavy traffic.

Maybe I should start looking into an American Mail order husband :think:

(Humour is back :hehe: )

Brother Leon
09-11-2016, 06:37 AM
Ahh well..Hopefully Elizabeth Warren runs for 2020 and we potentially get a worthy first Female President.

Benjamin
09-11-2016, 06:37 AM
Urgh my internet is slow. Who is left to give results other than Alaska?

Maru
09-11-2016, 06:39 AM
Maybe I should start looking into an American Mail order husband :think:

(Humour is back :hehe: )

OMG, like that trump supporter dating website... you're going to be stalking the hillaryclinton one when it inevitably comes up looking for some quick dick/$$$

You can lure them in with the promise of actual universal healthcare

Maru
09-11-2016, 06:39 AM
Ahh well..Hopefully Elizabeth Warren runs for 2020 and we potentially get a worthy first Female President.

Hillary Clinton 2.0. No. She fixed the primary for Hillary against Bernie. Remember the leaked emails?

Mokka
09-11-2016, 06:40 AM
OMG, like that trump supporter dating website... you're going to be stalking the hillaryclinton one when it inevitably comes up looking for some quick dick/$$$

You can lure them in with the promise of actual universal healthcare

Hey baby...let me show you my....universal healthcare package :creep:

I may be on to something :laugh:

Maru
09-11-2016, 06:42 AM
Hey baby...let me show you my....universal healthcare package :creep:

I may be on to something :laugh:

Looking forward to your multiple threads... "should I swipe right?" (or whatever direction it is)

Brother Leon
09-11-2016, 06:43 AM
PA gone to Trump. Should be that.

Headie
09-11-2016, 06:43 AM
Very disheartening

Maru
09-11-2016, 06:43 AM
PA hasn't been called yet? Alaska went to him I think

Ammi
09-11-2016, 06:44 AM
Ahh well..Hopefully Elizabeth Warren runs for 2020 and we potentially get a worthy first Female President.

..an election which should be of such note and hope/enthusiasm etc and 4 years of looking at who the next president can be being what pre-occupies...that's pretty funny...

lewis111
09-11-2016, 06:46 AM
I guess nothing will be changed about the gun laws in America anytime soon then

Brother Leon
09-11-2016, 06:46 AM
PA hasn't been called yet? Alaska went to him I think

AP and Guardian have called it. Not official, but they have been ahead of the curve all night so far.

Ammi
09-11-2016, 06:46 AM
..politics was never meant to be funny though...oh...

Mokka
09-11-2016, 06:46 AM
Looking forward to your multiple threads... "should I swipe right?" (or whatever direction it is)

Definitely swiping left....given the context of who sits on the right wing

Maru
09-11-2016, 06:46 AM
I just want them to call it so I can hear the speeches and get ready for bed

Maru
09-11-2016, 06:47 AM
Definitely swiping left....given the context of who sits on the right wing

:joker:

lewis111
09-11-2016, 06:49 AM
This is much worse than Brexit though cause its biggest impact was on the economy
As a Brit I'm so much more worried and shaken by this result than I was Brexit

Mokka
09-11-2016, 06:49 AM
I just want them to call it so I can hear the speeches and get ready for bed

Same...just brushed my teeth given them saying Hilary was on the way to make a speech

Ammi
09-11-2016, 06:50 AM
I guess nothing will be changed about the gun laws in America anytime soon then

..make sure you have your peanut butter jelly, cereal bar and hand gun packed for school today sweetie.../but mom, can we do a banana as well and think about healthiness a bit more...

Maru
09-11-2016, 06:51 AM
Oh! Looks like dem might have senate... +1 but still

Jack_
09-11-2016, 06:53 AM
BBC analysts saying it's looking likely Clinton will win the popular vote, which is a shame but moreso because inevitably the terms of the debate will now be shifted from an analysis of the underlying structural and societal issues that caused this, to 'the voting system is to blame!'

Alf
09-11-2016, 06:54 AM
VfqVih7IFlI

kirklancaster
09-11-2016, 06:55 AM
Up all night watching this. Fascinated by it and this thread. :laugh: All I know is, that I'm a razor blade width from winning a cool grand, and ToySoldier gets to buy his new PS Console.

It's an ill wind... :laugh:

kirklancaster
09-11-2016, 06:56 AM
Trump needs just 6 now.

Mokka
09-11-2016, 06:57 AM
Up all night watching this. Fascinated by it and this thread. :laugh: All I know is, that I'm a razor blade width from winning a cool grand, and ToySoldier gets to buy his new PS Console.

It's an ill wind... :laugh:

I know I feel ill

Maybe it's a Northern wind?

kirklancaster
09-11-2016, 07:00 AM
I know I feel ill

:laugh: Poor Mokka. It will soon be yesterday's news. Life goes on.

Maru
09-11-2016, 07:02 AM
Oh here it goes

Mokka
09-11-2016, 07:04 AM
Clinton Campaign Chairman... it ain't over yet ....omg

Ammi
09-11-2016, 07:05 AM
..has the fat lady sung Maru..?..

Maru
09-11-2016, 07:06 AM
..has the fat lady sung Maru..?..

Not yet. Hillary's people still waiting for more counts... they just came on to tell us we can wait a little longer :laugh:

Maru
09-11-2016, 07:07 AM
Whoa, Clinton won't speak tonight

Jack_
09-11-2016, 07:07 AM
Well well well

Hillary to play Trump at his own game and call it a rig? :fan:

Ammi
09-11-2016, 07:07 AM
Not yet. Hillary's people still waiting for more counts... they just came on to tell us we can wait a little longer :laugh:

..can the counts still count though now..?..

Mokka
09-11-2016, 07:07 AM
Whoa, Clinton won't speak tonight

Nope. Now what is Trump's chess move :suspect:

Maru
09-11-2016, 07:08 AM
..can the counts still count though now..?..

He's technically not at 270 yet

Ammi
09-11-2016, 07:09 AM
Well well well

Hillary to play Trump at his own game and call it a rig? :fan:

...:fan:...she needs to call it quickly before he sends her off to jail and no get out free gameplay for her...

Brother Leon
09-11-2016, 07:12 AM
Hilton camp sending everyone home. No concession and no speech tonight. Poor stuff.

Ammi
09-11-2016, 07:12 AM
He's technically not at 270 yet

...yeah but similar to our elections I would reckon.../you kind of know when it's over and hopeless if you're a candidate and if she's already calling 'rigged' the lady knows that she's already left the stage...

Mokka
09-11-2016, 07:12 AM
Republicans hold the Senate :facepalm:

Maru
09-11-2016, 07:12 AM
Could be a personal reason, which who can blame her... after this campaign

Maru
09-11-2016, 07:13 AM
...yeah but similar to our elections I would reckon.../you kind of know when it's over and hopeless if you're a candidate and if she's already calling 'rigged' the lady knows that she's already left the stage...

Yeah the stations are not making it official yet, but they're pretty much saying it's over... it's on to her to concede though

Ammi
09-11-2016, 07:14 AM
Hilton camp sending everyone home. No concession and no speech tonight. Poor stuff.

..I agree to an extent Leon but the whole thing has been poor stuff so I don't think we can apply any usual courtesies here...

Mokka
09-11-2016, 07:15 AM
Could be a personal reason, which who can blame her... after this campaign

She won't be the first to not conceed on the night... and neither should she yet. He doesn't have the numbers yet... and there are plenty of recounts to take place. I don't think any of that will end in her win...but give everyone a chance to breathe and let the reality sink in imo

Mokka
09-11-2016, 07:16 AM
Hindsight being 20 20.... i would have made a drinking game out of the word Brexit tonight :laugh:

Ammi
09-11-2016, 07:17 AM
Could be a personal reason, which who can blame her... after this campaign

..yeah, her personal reasons being that she pulled in all of the establishment and political experience she could find and had which was substantial... and she still lost to an intolerant 'trash TV' person.../a personal embarrassment I would say...

arista
09-11-2016, 07:18 AM
Clinton
gone home
will go to the press in few hours
OK Lady
mind how you go .

arista
09-11-2016, 07:19 AM
AMMI

Its like our Brexit

Same Voting style

Brother Leon
09-11-2016, 07:20 AM
..I agree to an extent Leon but the whole thing has been poor stuff so I don't think we can apply any usual courtesies here...

Well yeah, but considering she mocked him so much for his refusal to accept defeat, she is essentially doing the same thing. At least give that quick speech yourself to your supporters and tell them there will be more tomorrow. I'm just glad this is over anyway.

Northern Monkey
09-11-2016, 07:21 AM
I bet she's been arrested for throwing the TV out of her hotel room window.She has a deadly temper on her

UserSince2005
09-11-2016, 07:21 AM
Woke up to the best news ever. Knew I would. Dream come true.

Maru
09-11-2016, 07:22 AM
She won't be the first to not conceed on the night... and neither should she yet. He doesn't have the numbers yet... and there are plenty of recounts to take place. I don't think any of that will end in her win...but give everyone a chance to breathe and let the reality sink in imo

I tend to think it as much a personal decision to concede as much as a patriotic design... some people just want to put it behind them. Other wants to take a step back and wait til morning for the full results. I imagine she doesn't want to rush it at 2AM (I just realized the time because my time settings were messed up :laugh: Thanks Windows). Maybe she wants to rewrite her speech. Maybe she wants to contest. All these possibilities are entirely plausible. But it'll give her time to decide what she wants to do while her people go through the results county by county...

Northern Monkey
09-11-2016, 07:22 AM
She will blame Russia.
She'll run into the Whitehouse and smash the nuke button

Ammi
09-11-2016, 07:24 AM
Well yeah, but considering she mocked him so much for his refusal to accept defeat, she is essentially doing the same thing. At least give that quick speech yourself to your supporters and tell them there will be more tomorrow. I'm just glad this is over anyway.

..I honestly think with either of them, their supporters are less important to them in this than their own personal egos, just both really shabby people.../but yeah, phew it's over is all and hopefully we won't see so much of either in our media now...

Crimson Dynamo
09-11-2016, 07:24 AM
Goodness gracious me