Manchester Arena Terror Attack - 22 innocent lives taken.

[UserSince2005]

im o negative, but the dont want my precious gay blood so **** the nhs.

[jaxie]

They think it was a woman, reporter on sky keeps saying she. Am shocked.

[Denver]

I guess there's a morbid irony in finding stuff like that, or that other Ariana stalker bloke that Riley posted a few pages ago who said he was going to "be there" or whatever last night, but yeah there's a sad voyeurism about going through the Twitters and Facebooks of people who die in such circumstances.

Not judging though because it's something I've looked at before and admittedly find "a sad coincidence", but keeping those thoughts private and not RTing them and using them for a bit of attention on social media is preferable. I'd dread to think what would be dug up if something ever happened to me, and being reduced to some odd little turn of phrase months/years ago is a bit disrespectful.

Of course it's just the tip of the iceberg; there's far more revolting things going on on social media regarding last night, and there has been for years. I remember finding a website once that just shares Facebook pages of people who've passed away? Bizarre.

I tell you what is worse people stealing pictures and claiming they are missing at least 6 or 7 have come back fake and it isnt help those genuinely missing

[Denver]

The Queen has made a statement

[Niamh.]

I guess there's a morbid irony in finding stuff like that, or that other Ariana stalker bloke that Riley posted a few pages ago who said he was going to "be there" or whatever last night, but yeah there's a sad voyeurism about going through the Twitters and Facebooks of people who die in such circumstances.

Not judging though because it's something I've looked at before and admittedly find "a sad coincidence", but keeping those thoughts private and not RTing them and using them for a bit of attention on social media is preferable. I'd dread to think what would be dug up if something ever happened to me, and being reduced to some odd little turn of phrase months/years ago is a bit disrespectful.

Of course it's just the tip of the iceberg; there's far more revolting things going on on social media regarding last night, and there has been for years. I remember finding a website once that just shares Facebook pages of people who've passed away? Bizarre.

That's just creepy.

But yeah, it's just not what friends and family of that girl need to be seeing, it's disrespectful

[Denver]

That's just creepy.

But yeah, it's just not what friends and family of that girl need to be seeing, it's disrespectful

Even worse if the whole family are not aware

[Niamh.]

Even worse if the whole family are not aware

Yeah, absolutely

[Shaun]

I tell you what is worse people stealing pictures and claiming they are missing at least 6 or 7 have come back fake and it isnt help those genuinely missing

Yeah I've seen a few people getting retweeted by celebrities I follow who've just put a tweet with a picture - most likely of someone they bully at school - saying "please help can't find my brother :(" or whatever. It just... begs belief. There's no punchline, there's no comedy involved at all, it's just mindless and desperately inhuman.

[Rob!]

The people of Manchester though :clap1: Actually inspiring how they've all pulled together.

[AnnieK]

The people of Manchester though :clap1: Actually inspiring how they've all pulled together.

It is amazing and I'd didn't doubt people would but I'd like to think that people everywhere would do the same. We are all equal when it comes to times like these :love:

[Denver]

Apparently an homeless man cradled a dying woman last night.

This is why Britian is so great no matter what different walks of life we are from when a tragic thing like this happens we have each others back

[Northern Monkey]

Anniversary of Lee Rigby aswell.You wonder if they plan it like that deliberately

[Denver]

IS has claimed responsibility

[reece(:]

Yeah I've seen a few people getting retweeted by celebrities I follow who've just put a tweet with a picture - most likely of someone they bully at school - saying "please help can't find my brother :(" or whatever. It just... begs belief. There's no punchline, there's no comedy involved at all, it's just mindless and desperately inhuman.

What's worse is people faking missing people on twitter for RTs and follows, when children are genuinely missing.

[Amy Jade]

The people on twitter posting pictures of youtubers and random people claiming they are missing when they're not should be ashamed of themselves. There are parents out there begging for their innocent children to come home and desperately trying to get their faces out there just incase somebody knows them and people think its funny to share fake pictures?

****ing repulsive!

[Niamh.]

IS has claimed responsibility

of course they did, that doesn't mean too much though

[Beso]

Any word or statement from the muslim councils of manchester....no, thought not.

[Denver]

Any word or statement from the muslim councils of manchester....no, thought not.

Terrorist are not Muslims i wish people would understand this

[Niamh.]

Any word or statement from the muslim councils of manchester....no, thought not.

Muslim Council of Britain secretary general Harun Khan said this morning: “My thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families.

“This is horrific, this is criminal. May the perpetrators face the full weight of justice both in this life and the next.

“I pay tribute to the police and emergency services who have worked valiantly to save lives last night.

“They were helped by civilians who rushed in to offer their support.

“I urge all those in the region and around the country to pool together to support those affected.”

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3628055/manchester-arena-bombing-muslim-council-britain-latest/

[Jack_]

Any word or statement from the muslim councils of manchester....no, thought not.

http://www.mcb.org.uk/manchester-attack-muslim-council-of-britain-statement/

:rolleyes:

[Kazanne]

IS has claimed responsibility

Just heard that ,plus police know who he is but not sure if he was working alone,and he was British,also rumours going around that it was a woman !!! but that as i said IS a rumour.

[Nicky91]

Yeah, that's exactly what "they" want too

RIP to all that lost their lives, so sad, I can imagine it was mostly young teenagers there too, awful

ISIS wants attention, so let's not give them the attention they seek



but really my condolences go out to the victim's relatives :bawling:

[Denver]

I hope the UK are clever and dont do what every other nation did and launch and immediate revenge attack, They are waiting for it so we shouldnt give it them

[Babayaro.]

Apparently an homeless man cradled a dying woman last night.

This is why Britian is so great no matter what different walks of life we are from when a tragic thing like this happens we have each others back
I read this too, was so sad. The way he described the scene was horrific.

[Denver]

IS have threatened to Attack the UK again

[Northern Monkey]

Terrorist are not Muslims i wish people would understand this

I mean they are.Infact they tend to be more devout than many.

It is a muslim issue.To admit that doesn't counteract the fact that most muslims are moderate and wouldn't dream of something like this.

[Denver]

I mean they are.Infact they tend to be more devout than many.

It is a muslim issue.To admit that doesn't counteract the fact that most muslims are moderate and wouldn't dream of something like this.

Muslims do not murder innocent people they are abusing the name of Islam to make a name for themselves

[reece(:]

I mean they are.Infact they tend to be more devout than many.

It is a muslim issue.To admit that doesn't counteract the fact that most muslims are moderate and wouldn't dream of something like this.
I feel like this isn't the time for this, people are in critical states FFS! Muslims have been part of the taxi force that have been getting people back to their loved ones from Manchester

[Northern Monkey]

they are abusing the name of Islam to make a name for themselves
I agree with this part.
It is a ****ed up backwards and brutal form of Islam however you do have to look at the ideology behind this stuff to understand it.

[Northern Monkey]

I feel like this isn't the time for this, people are in critical states FFS! Muslims have been part of the taxi force that have been getting people back to their loved ones from Manchester

I agree.

[the truth]

I feel like this isn't the time for this, people are in critical states FFS! Muslims have been part of the taxi force that have been getting people back to their loved ones from Manchester

It IS the time for this. Yes we must clear everything up and get everyone safe as possible and seek out the terrorists. But it IS the exact time to take stock and understand our form of open borders and multi culturalism has failed in many ways and put innocent people at risk. If we dont sort it out this tragedy will become an even more regular occurance

[Denver]

It IS the time for this. Yes we must clear everything up and get everyone safe as possible and seek out the terrorists. But it IS the exact time to take stock and understand our form of open borders and multi culturalism has failed in many ways and put innocent people at risk. If we dont sort it out this tragedy will become an even more regular occurance

The attacker was British born we cant ban him from entering the UK

[jaxie]

The attacker was British born we cant ban him from entering the UK

I don't think where someone is born really matters does it. Radicalization can happen in this country and in fact does. People aren't born with hate it is taught and nurtured and there are those who preach it. I don't think we can turn a blind eye to it. The point is that there are people in this country who are encouraging this behaviour.

[Shaun]

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I suppose it was inevitable but it doesn't sting any less...

[Kazanne]

8 year old Saffie Roussos confirmed dead

[reece(:]

Vile of The Sun to start blaming Corbyn and bringing politics into it

Forget Corbyn’s pathetic lies about “helping the peace process”.

He PROLONGED the conflict.

As more lives were lost, the pair at the top of today’s Labour Party cheered on the executioners, torturers and child-killers from the safety of Westminster.

“They had a grand old time,” says O’Callaghan, “wallowing in infantile revolutionary glee at publicly rubbing shoulders with the ‘hard men’ of the IRA.

They were prepared to fight to the last drop of someone else’s blood. They played no part ever in promoting peace.”
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3625746/the-harm-done-by-jeremy-corbyn-and-john-mcdonnell-sucking-up-to-the-ira/

:umm2:

[Shaun]

:( 8... how horrific.

[Denver]

8 year old Saffie Roussos confirmed dead

Sad they would take away someones life who has not had chance to get going in life

[jaxie]

Vile of The Sun to start blaming Corbyn and bringing politics into it


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3625746/the-harm-done-by-jeremy-corbyn-and-john-mcdonnell-sucking-up-to-the-ira/

:umm2:

I think we need to leave the politics at the door and keep it far away from this.

[reece(:]

8 year old Saffie Roussos confirmed dead
This young girl had her whole life ahead of her. Can't imagine the pain the parents are going through :(

[Kazanne]

This young girl had her whole life ahead of her. Can't imagine the pain the parents are going through :(

Me neither,it's heartbreaking :-(

[reece(:]

Me neither,it's heartbreaking :-(

Reports are saying her sister and mother are being treated for injuries in hospital, so they might not even know yet :(

[Nicky91]

8 year old Saffie Roussos confirmed dead

not related to Demis Roussos isn't she :(

[the truth]

The attacker was British born we cant ban him from entering the UK

oh mercy this mind numbing simplistic one dimensional argument...where hes born is irrelevant ...the fact we allow unlimited immigration and the fact there are millions moving back and forth across the border largely unchecked means potential terrorists find it easy to come back and forth from terrorist training , with weapons, bombs, battle plans etc and generally spreading their evil ideologies around

We have made it easy for them...only 15 years ago they were allowed to preach death to britons on the streets of britain and teach suicide bombings in some mosques

We must first stop illegal immigration. we must also massively tighten our immigration policies and the police's ability to proactively vet potential terrorists.

We cant stop them all, but the fact our population has risen nearly 10 million in 25 years is madness. We have made it almost impossible for our emergency services to cope.

[Babayaro.]

Eight years old...wow. Having a sister who will be that age later this year just makes it seem all the more real :(

[Denver]

oh mercy this mind numbing simplistic one dimensional argument...where hes born is irrelevant ...the fact we allow unlimited immigration and the fact there are millions moving back and forth across the border largely unchecked means potential terrorists find it easy to come back and forth from terrorist training , with weapons, bombs, battle plans etc and generally spreading their evil ideologies around

We have made it easy for them...only 15 years ago they were allowed to preach death to britons on the streets of britain and teach suicide bombings in some mosques

We must first stop illegal immigration. we must also massively tighten our immigration policies and the police's ability to proactively vet potential terrorists.

We cant stop them all, but the fact our population has risen nearly 10 million in 25 years is madness. We have made it almost impossible for our emergency services to cope.

I dont appreciate that you are using children's deaths to further your hate against Muslims,You do not seem educated at all on the subject you only want to stereotype

[Nicky91]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BUbW5V2FzRa/?taken-by=maan.de.st

aw our dutch singer Maan, also hashtagged #Pray4Manchester


and apparently there were a few dutch people at the concert as well, glad they were safe :)

[Kazanne]

Reports are saying her sister and mother are being treated for injuries in hospital, so they might not even know yet :(

Oh,that's terrible,that poor family.

[Beso]

Muslim Council of Britain secretary general Harun Khan said this morning: “My thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families.

“This is horrific, this is criminal. May the perpetrators face the full weight of justice both in this life and the next.

“I pay tribute to the police and emergency services who have worked valiantly to save lives last night.

“They were helped by civilians who rushed in to offer their support.

“I urge all those in the region and around the country to pool together to support those affected.”

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3628055/manchester-arena-bombing-muslim-council-britain-latest/

Cheers.

[y.winter]

8 years old, just sickening.

My little sister has tickets to Ariana's concert in Frankfurt in two weeks. I can't stop thinking of her being trapped in this situation. This is awful.

[Ronald.]

Awful awful stuff. Truly sad about this. People just wanting to have a good time. Concerts are a time to forget all the worries of the world, not to be part of them.

Always inspired by the volunteers and forces following on from these kind of attacks. Stay united people. R.

[Niamh.]

8 years old, just sickening.

My little sister has tickets to Ariana's concert in Frankfurt in two weeks. I can't stop thinking of her being trapped in this situation. This is awful.

I just heard on the radio that she's cancelled the rest of her tour now

[Nicky91]

8 years old, just sickening.

My little sister has tickets to Ariana's concert in Frankfurt in two weeks. I can't stop thinking of her being trapped in this situation. This is awful.

it's everyone's worst nightmare scenario i think :(

[reece(:]

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[Beso]

Muslims do not murder innocent people they are abusing the name of Islam to make a name for themselves

No, they are abusing teenage girls in gangs..sometimes nailing the girls tongue to the kitchen table.

[Denver]

No, they are abusing teenage girls in gangs..sometimes nailing the girls tongue to the kitchen table.

Here we go again.

A few bad apples in a religion doesnt mean they all should be discarded

[Nicky91]

866945533679742977

wow :clap1: :clap1:


great words from President Trump

[Beso]

Here we go again.

A few bad apples in a religion doesnt mean they all should be discarded

Who said they should be?

[Brother Leon]

My dad(a Muslim) freaks out whenever I kill a damn spider or fly as it's a creature of god. These monsters disgrace their religion.

[Denver]

Who said they should be?

A few people in this thread and about 10 million uneducated fools.

The religion isnt evil the person is

[the truth]

I dont appreciate that you are using children's deaths to further your hate against Muslims,You do not seem educated at all on the subject you only want to stereotype

Utter drivel. You misread misunderstood and deliberately misinterpreted it deliberately and mendaciously. How vile and dishonest of you...:nono:You hate your own people as youre not willing to protect them. Anyone who asks to be protected you call racist. Insane

[Denver]

Utter drivel. You misread misunderstood and deliberately misinterpreted it deliberately and mendaciously. How vile and dishonest of you...:nono:You hate your own people as youre not willing to protect them. Anyone who asks to be protected you call racist. Insane

The UK do protect their people the fact that more terrorist plots have been stopped in the UK then any other country the UK is doing a fantastic job but they cant stop everyone unfortunately

[Niamh.]

My dad(a Muslim) freaks out whenever I kill a damn spider or fly as it's a creature of god. These monsters disgrace their religion.

You just have to ignore the nastiness and blame, I'm sure most people aren't lumping you all into the one category. I don't get this logic either of "I know all Muslims aren't terrorists but what are the Muslim community doing about it?" Like what do people expect ordinary everyday muslims going about their business to do about dealing with a bunch of terrorists?

[Nicky91]

My dad(a Muslim) freaks out whenever I kill a damn spider or fly as it's a creature of god. These monsters disgrace their religion.

i feel really sad for your father :(, cause not all muslims are terrorists but these IS losers make us feel they are all terrorists


keep him safe, from other people who would want to blame every muslim and possibly assaulting several muslims :(

[Jason.]

Heartbreaking :(

It's really insulting and quite distasteful for people to use this to further their anti-Muslim views. :umm2:

[the truth]

The UK do protect their people the fact that more terrorist plots have been stopped in the UK then any other country the UK is doing a fantastic job but they cant stop everyone unfortunately

Theres millions of illegal immigrants in the UK due to the agreements we made with the EU in the late 1990's. We have seen an increase in population of 10 million in 25 years...how manageable do you think this is?

[Denver]

A control explosion has taken place at an address in Manchester

[Withano]

Theres millions of illegal immigrants in the UK due to the agreements we made with the EU in the late 1990's. We have seen an increase in population of 10 million in 25 years...how manageable do you think this is?

This isn't the time or the place, you're being completely insensitive

[the truth]

Heartbreaking :(

It's really insulting and quite distasteful for people to use this to further their anti-Muslim views. :umm2:

wrong its distasteful for people like you to call other people racist, when all they want to do is protect their cuntry and their children and be way more vigilant at the borders and tightening immigration policy

[Denver]

Theres millions of illegal immigrants in the UK due to the agreements we made with the EU in the late 1990's. We have seen an increase in population of 10 million in 25 years...how manageable do you think this is?

I dont get what 22 innocent people dying has got to do with 10 million immigrants

[the truth]

This isn't the time or the place, you're being completely insensitive

I 100% disagree, the time is always right for the truth. Youre being too preachy and too politically incorrect. Some of the people who were there are speaking about this too

[the truth]

I dont get what 22 innocent people dying has got to do with 10 million immigrants

Its terrorism mate , join up the dots, stop playing dumb

[Denver]

Its terrorism mate , join up the dots, stop playing dumb

The Bomber was British born so my question is still the same

[Rob!]

Jesus, it was a nail bomb.

I just...there are no words as to how senseless it is. What the **** is wrong with these people? Why?

[Withano]

I 100% disagree, the time is always right for the truth. Youre being too preachy and too politically incorrect. Some of the people who were there are speaking about this too

Nobody in this thread, including you, knows the truth. The story is unraveling as we speak, it is not the time to jump to inappropriate conclusions to further a political message. The country is devastated, nobody wants to read your political angst right now.

[the truth]

i feel really sad for your father :(, cause not all muslims are terrorists but these IS losers make us feel they are all terrorists


keep him safe, from other people who would want to blame every muslim and possibly assaulting several muslims :(

NO ONE has mentioned ALL muslims are to blame, only YOU have made such a ridiculous statement as you trying to mis-quote other people in a dishonest way to try and make everyone out to be racist. Not ALL muslims, some muslims and we need to massively tighten our borders and tighten the ability of these muslim terrorists to move back and forth across our border to training camps and bring wepaons back and forth

[Rob!]

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Am I the only one reminded of Dexter saying "you are stuuuupid" to Dee Dee?

[the truth]

Nobody in this thread, including you, knows the truth. The story is unraveling as we speak, it is not the time to jump to inappropriate conclusions to further a political message. The country is devastated, nobody wants to read your political angst right now.

dont read it then. This IS a terrorist attack FACT

[Nicky91]

NO ONE has mentioned ALL muslims are to blame, only YOU have made such a ridiculous statement as you trying to mis-quote other people in a dishonest way to try and make everyone out to be racist. Not ALL muslims, some muslims and we need to massively tighten our borders and tighten the ability of these muslim terrorists to move back and forth across our border to training camps and bring wepaons back and forth

what did i do :fist:

don't blame me for anything will ya :mad:, we must unite together against ISIS, together we are strong :)

[the truth]

The Bomber was British born so my question is still the same

already answered that mate, trying reading

[the truth]

what did i do :fist:

don't blame me for anything will ya :mad:, we must unite together against ISIS, together we are strong :)

Ill happilly unite with you and all pacifists but I will not allow the liberals to take away our freedom of speech and our right to be safe and secure with their insane politically correct mindless ideologies

[Rob!]

Ill happilly unite with you and all pacifists but I will not allow the liberals to take away our freedom of speech and our right to be safe and secure with their insane politically correct mindless ideologies

Which is exactly what these people want to accomplish - fear, discrimination and hatred. It's got nothing to do with liberals. Just people with common sense.

[Withano]

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned before in the thread, but the bloke that riley posted about has tweeted since.. he seems upset. That was just some crazy coincidence.

[Nicky91]

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned before in the thread, but the bloke that riley posted about has tweeted since.. he seems upset. That was just some crazy coincidence.

who?

[Niamh.]

Which is exactly what these people want to accomplish - fear, discrimination and hatred. It's got nothing to do with liberals. Just people with common sense.

mmhmm divide and conquer

[Wizard.]

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned before in the thread, but the bloke that riley posted about has tweeted since.. he seems upset. That was just some crazy coincidence.

Oh okay well he still needs mental help I think.

[Withano]

who?

https://mobile.twitter.com/mattcmafia

A guy made very concerning tweets about Ariana throughout the year. He was at the concert last night and left before it finished.

[Withano]

Oh okay well he still needs mental help I think.

Definitely. I was convinced it was him until he tweeted. The dots fell perfectly in line. He'd benefit from help for sure.

[Jason.]

wrong its distasteful for people like you to call other people racist, when all they want to do is protect their cuntry and their children and be way more vigilant at the borders and tightening immigration policy

No, but tarnishing all Muslims and immigrants under the same brush as terrorists IS racist. You're just too narrow-minded to see it, your ignorance is your own ruin.

[Nicky91]

https://mobile.twitter.com/mattcmafia

A guy made very concerning tweets about Ariana throughout the year. He was at the concert last night and left before it finished.

okay, sounds creepy :(

[the truth]

No, but tarnishing all Muslims and immigrants under the same brush as terrorists IS racist. You're just too narrow-minded to see it, your ignorance is your own ruin.

NO ONE has done that so you are lying

[Brother Leon]

You just have to ignore the nastiness and blame, I'm sure most people aren't lumping you all into the one category. I don't get this logic either of "I know all Muslims aren't terrorists but what are the Muslim community doing about it?" Like what do people expect ordinary everyday muslims going about their business to do about dealing with a bunch of terrorists?

Yeah. It's incredibly silly when Muslim Soldiers and Militias are the ones fighting off ISIS the most. If it wasn't for so many of their heroic deaths then lord knows how wide they could have spread by now. You just don't hear about it here unfortunately.

[the truth]

Which is exactly what these people want to accomplish - fear, discrimination and hatred. It's got nothing to do with liberals. Just people with common sense.

people with common sense want to tighten to borders and vet people thoroughly as they move back and forth , to make us safer...people without common sense dont want this they just want to call everyone racists

[Denver]

There are over 1 billion Muslims terrorist groups make up less then 1% do the math

[Beso]

A few people in this thread and about 10 million uneducated fools.

The religion isnt evil the person is

Utter ****e again...people are wanting them kept out to minimilize these events...not kick then all out as you rather hurriedly claimed..

[Niamh.]

Yeah. It's incredibly silly when Muslim Soldiers and Militias are the ones fighting off ISIS the most. If it wasn't for so many of their heroic deaths then lord knows how wide they could have spread by now. You just don't hear about it here unfortunately.

Yeah, that's so true actually. I think alot of times it doesn't become real to people until it gets closer to home

[Northern Monkey]

Ill happilly unite with you and all pacifists but I will not allow the liberals to take away our freedom of speech and our right to be safe and secure with their insane politically correct mindless ideologies

Yeah i do agree.There has to be a certain amount of honesty with things like this along with a degree of sensitivity.
When i hear things like "these people are'nt muslims" I can't let that slip by because it's not helping anybody.Skirting around the truth is taking steps backwards.This has to be addressed.
If this guy was back and forth to Pakistan or wherever then border security needs to be looked at.If he got all this information for how to build IED's online then internet measures need to be taken etc.

[the truth]

Yeah i do agree.There has to be a certain amount of honesty with things like this along with a degree of sensitivity.
When i hear things like "these people are'nt muslims" I can't let that slip by because it's not helping anybody.Skirting around the truth is taking steps backwards.This has to be addressed.
If this guy was back and forth to Pakistan or wherever then border security needs to be looked at.If he got all this information for how to build IED's online then internet measures need to be taken etc.

Finally a voice of reason amidst the politically correct nonsense

You and me are in good company here mate

"The world will not be destroyed by those who do evil, but by those who watch them without doing anything "― Albert Einstein

tightening borders and vetting people is the least we MUST do to protect our children, not bury it under the carpet just in case we offend someones delicate sensibilities..

political correctness has got blood on its hands today

[Denver]

The police have said there are more children amongst the dead :sad:

[Cal.]

Rest in peace Georgina and Saffie.

Devastated.

[Nicky91]

Rest in peace Georgina and Saffie.

Devastated.

omg Ariana losing one of her dedicated superfans :bawling:

[the truth]

Just terrible beyond words...theres a lot of children missing too

[Rob!]

Finally a voice of reason amidst the politically correct nonsense

You and me are in good company here mate

"The world will not be destroyed by those who do evil, but by those who watch them without doing anything "― Albert Einstein

tightening borders and vetting people is the least we MUST do to protect our children, not bury it under the carpet just in case we offend someones delicate sensibilities..

political correctness has got blood on its hands today

You really are talking absolute donkey twaddle and quoting Einstein doesn't improve your argument either.

Are we supposed to be vetting every single Irish person in case they're a member of the IRA? Every white Christian in case they are part of the KKK? Political correctness has zero to do with it - it's about not tarring people with the same brush. This guy was British born so what would you like? Every British Muslim to be removed until we've decided who's dangerous and who isn't?

[the truth]

You really are talking absolute donkey twaddle and quoting Einstein doesn't improve your argument either.

Are we supposed to be vetting every single Irish person in case they're a member of the IRA? Every white Christian in case they are part of the KKK? Political correctness has zero to do with it - it's about not tarring people with the same brush. This guy was British born so what would you like? Every British Muslim to be removed until we've decided who's dangerous and who isn't?

youre a dangerous person. everyone who arrives at our shores should be thoroughly vetted...everyone who leaves , especially to countries in the middle east should be thoroughly vetted...the 2 million plus illegal immigrants who have arrived in the past 20 years should be thoroughly vetted. the open borders across europe which do not checking at all should be closed. all of this protects us and secures our borders and makes it harder to go back and forth with wepaons with sick terrorist training and spreading this warped ideology

you can sit there and allow open borders and call everyone racist, that does nothing to protect us it makes is 100 times worse

[the truth]

I very much doubt they read the Jewish Chronicle, but let me, on behalf of all proud Mancunians (and that’s every single one of us), assure the murderous terrorists behind last night’s MEN Arena attack - you’ve no idea what you’ve just done.

It takes a certain level of revolting, inhumane, barbaric cruelty to target innocent men, women and children attending a pop concert. I don’t care how strongly you feel about your ideology or how zealously you believe in your cause. This isn’t political or religious. You were children. You may even be parents.

We, along with the rest of the world understand what your goals and ambitions are. We’ve had to endure them for decades now; in Jerusalem, London, Paris, Brussels, New York. Mumbai, Kabul, Bali and a tragically-long list of many many more.

You just don’t seem to get the simple fact that you achieve nothing other than to bring together the communities you seek to divide. Why can’t you see what the rest of us have always seen? We mourn, we heal, we rebuild, we come together. You’re just a forgotten statistic.

And I can tell you from experience, in no uncertain terms, you’ve messed with the wrong city.

Here’s what you need to know about Manchester. Yes it’s a city, but it’s a city that thinks like a town and feels like a village.

You want an example? This morning at 8am, in the only piece of comic relief of the day, my 67-year-old dad called to reassure me that he and my mum hadn’t been at the concert. I never had him down as an Ariana Grande fan, but still, I knew the call would come, and I was heartened when it did.

And there are so many more. As a school boy, if I was ever intimidated by anti-semitic thugs, I was always immediately rescued by strangers of all colours, races and creeds. Why? Because of the innate, unspoken understanding that we don’t tolerate that in Manchester. Not in our city.

Yes we’re sometimes tribalistic, rarely passive and always passionate, but the home of United and City is a city united. Always. And your cowardly stunt, at a pop concert full of children enjoying what should have been a highlight of their young lives will only strengthen that unity.

You think you’ve broken new barriers in Manchester? That you’ve expanded the poisonous cloud of fear to new frontiers? Are you daft!?

You forget the Blitz. You forget Warrington in 1993. You forget Manchester City Centre in 1996 - the biggest bomb detonated in Britain since the Second World War. You can’t even begin to fathom how resilient we are.

Some cities half as culturally and ethnically diverse as ours would have panicked, looking inwardly to finger-point. Not Manchester. We mourned, we healed, we rebuilt, we came together. And we will again.

We rarely talk about the 1996 attack. We don’t give its organisers the satisfaction. When we do, we joke that it’s “the greatest contribution the Irish have made to the North West”. And that’s about as Mancunian as you can get.

The IRA got a headline. Manchester got a brand new city centre, and with it a renewed sense of community and opportunity.

Oh, and even more backbone than we had before. Which is bad news for you.

Something else you need to know. We’ve turned profanity into an art form. There’s a poetry to our indignant pride. And so, on behalf of Mancunians everywhere, as well as the 99.9 per cent of humanity of all colours, creeds and religions who condemn your barbarism, let me just say - go ****** yourselves.

This is Manchester and you’re way, way out of your league.

[Kazanne]

Finally a voice of reason amidst the politically correct nonsense

You and me are in good company here mate

"The world will not be destroyed by those who do evil, but by those who watch them without doing anything "― Albert Einstein

tightening borders and vetting people is the least we MUST do to protect our children, not bury it under the carpet just in case we offend someones delicate sensibilities..

political correctness has got blood on its hands today

I agree,no one has said ALL muslims are terrorists,but we do not want terrorists here whoever or whatever religion they are.

[the truth]

I agree,no one has said ALL muslims are terrorists,but we do not want terrorists here whoever or whatever religion they are.

correct

[Beso]

Hopefully all teenage girls given free lifts home from taxi drivers got home safely.

[Jordan.]

Hopefully all teenage girls given free lifts home from taxi drivers got home safely.

:umm2:

[Firewire]

Aisleyne offering to pay for hotels for people in need

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/big-brother/news/a829012/aisleyne-horgan-wallace-pay-hotels-expenses-manchester-terror-attack/

[Denver]

Like she has the money

[Calderyon]

Despicable and cowardly act. Courage and strength to the victims.

[Ashley.]

Devastating, shocking beyond words... I didn't hear the news until first thing this morning.

And I am ashamed, of all those attempting to make light of such a horrific event, or turn it into a war of politics and religion at a time in which Britain should be putting their differences aside.

[Redway]

Nasty news all round. I see people have already started blaming a whole religion for a small minority of extremists. Not a drop of bias or prejudice there at all.

[Redway]

Like she has the money

What kind of reply's that at a time like this?

[the truth]

Nasty news all round. I see people have already started blaming a whole religion for a small minority of extremists. Not a drop of bias or prejudice there at all.

NOBODY has done that. Youve simply made that up.

[Shaun]

Bomber named as Salman Abedi - a Manchester-born "known to authorities". His family had recently moved back to Libya, apparently - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/23/salman-abedi-named-manchester-suicide-bomber-know/

I think it's fair to say I'm one of the most anti-"DEPORT THEM ALL :mad:" members on here but why is it that, every time, it's someone "known to authorities"? What does that even mean any more, just a name on a pin-board?

[Niamh.]

Bomber named as Salman Abedi - a Manchester-born "known to authorities". His family had recently moved back to Libya, apparently - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/23/salman-abedi-named-manchester-suicide-bomber-know/

I think it's fair to say I'm one of the most anti-"DEPORT THEM ALL :mad:" members on here but why is it that, every time, it's someone "known to authorities"? What does that even mean any more, just a name on a pin-board?

They could have thousands of people "known to authorities" though, you can't actually do much until they actually do something though or you have proof that they're planning something.

[Beso]

They could have thousands of people "known to authorities" though, you can't actually do much until they actually do something though or you have proof that they're planning something.

Its about time they did do something...

[Shaun]

Just goes to show that introducing the Investigatory Powers Act was a waste of time.

[Niamh.]

Its about time they did do something...

Like what though?, you need to have some sort of proof not just "know" someone

[UserSince2005]

Why the **** are these people not deported!!!!?

[Niamh.]

Why the **** are these people not deported!!!!?

The link Shaun posted says that the guy is British

[UserSince2005]

Like what though?, you need to have some sort of proof not just "know" someone

is this not proof enough!!!

DogpfOnacVo

****er should have been deported on this alone.

[Denver]

If he is known for terror related acts surely that is good enough?

[Beso]

Like what though?, you need to have some sort of proof not just "know" someone

A secure unit whilst a proper investigation was complete then a specially built prison for anyone guilty of incitement etc.

[Niamh.]

is this not proof enough!!!

DogpfOnacVo

****er should have been deported on this alone.

I can't watch it now, I'll have a look after

[Beso]

is this not proof enough!!!

DogpfOnacVo

****er should have been deported on this alone.

Any translators?

Would like to know what hes saying before commenting

[Niamh.]

A secure unit whilst a proper investigation was complete then a specially built prison for anyone guilty of incitement etc.

Yes but you're saying "if they are guilty of" I'm saying if you have no proof of them being guilty of something. Like a guy could be known to the Police because he's friends with a guy who's guilty of incitement, you can't lock someone up or deport them for that

**Clearly that doesn't apply in this case but I'm just saying people could be known to the Police and be innocent of anything too, you can't just lock everyone up

[UserSince2005]

Any translators?

Would like to know what hes saying before commenting

death to the west is the general topic.

i must admit my Arabic is rusty.

[Beso]

Yes but you're saying "if they are guilty of" I'm saying if you have no proof of them being guilty of something. Like a guy could be known to the Police because he's friends with a guy who's guilty of incitement, you can't lock someone up or deport them for that

**Clearly that doesn't apply in this case but I'm just saying people could be known to the Police and be innocent of anything too, you can't just lock everyone up

You cant just bomb everyone either, but people are trying that!

Times have changed, systems need changed.

[Beso]

death to the west is the general topic.

i must admit my Arabic is rusty.

Thats in america isnt it. We are ****ed.

[Niamh.]

You cant just bomb everyone either, but people are trying that!

Times have changed, systems need changed.

So the solution is to lock everyone up whether they're guilty or not?

[Daniel-X]

Devastated today in college :sad:

Georgina was on second year in my college and another girl Lucy is is critical condition with shrapnel wounds :(

[Denver]

Devastated today in college :sad:

Georgina was on second year in my college and another girl Lucy is is critical condition with shrapnel wounds :(

:love::hug:

[Niamh.]

Devastated today in college :sad:

Georgina was on second year in my college and another girl Lucy is is critical condition with shrapnel wounds :(

aww sorry to hear that Daniel :(

[Kazanne]

They could have thousands of people "known to authorities" though, you can't actually do much until they actually do something though or you have proof that they're planning something.

Well if someone is known to authorities there must be a reason for that,so surely they could get the person watched closely if they are a British citizen,if they are not , there is no harm in deporting them back to where they are from (if they are deemed a risk),we can't just keep sitting back saying we can't do much,it could be our kids one day.

[Beso]

So the solution is to lock everyone up whether they're guilty or not?

No.

Its lock up everyone suspected of being involved in anything as simple as radicalisation or hate speech. Lock them up in a secure unit and do a proper investigation while they are locked up..all locked up. Get the jungle drums beating, mobiles ringing. We have the intelligence.

No need for deportation so stop saying that. Just build a new prison and stick any guilty parties in isolation for the rest of their pathetic lives..black,white muslim, catholic..whatever.

[Niamh.]

Well if someone is known to authorities there must be a reason for that,so surely they could get the person watched closely if they are a British citizen,if they are not , there is no harm in deporting them back to where they are from (if they are deemed a risk),we can't just keep sitting back saying we can't do much,it could be our kids one day.

They could be known to the authorities for simply knowing someone who was in trouble with authorities is all I'm saying

No.

Its lock up everyone suspected of being involved in anything as simple as radicalisation or hate speech. Lock them up in a secure unit and do a proper investigation while they are locked up..all locked up. Get the jungle drums beating, mobiles ringing. We have the intelligence.

No need for deportation so stop saying that. Just build a new prison and stick any guilty parties in isolation for the rest of their pathetic lives..black,white muslim, catholic..whatever.

Having a right to lock anyone up for any reason like that would be really opened to be abused though.

Speaking of Catholics though since you brought it up, look what happened with the Guilford 4 and Birmingham 6, the Police were so anxious to sate the publics demand for justice they ended up locking up a large group of people for over 20 years just because they were Northern irish and happened to be in those areas at the time

[DemolitionRed]

First I wanted to send my thoughts to all those affected.

Heartbreaking :(

It's really insulting and quite distasteful for people to use this to further their anti-Muslim views. :umm2:

This was bound to happen and it makes this tragedy come across as political gain for the Tories.

My son is Iranian and he now, through fear, lies to people about his nationality.

[Daniel-X]

I just can't believe how awful it is that they specifically targeted young children. It seems to have caused a real moral panic, my town is very much not a place where terrorists would think to attack as its not that large, but there's been armed gun men and riot vans all over the town centre today. I think it's because it's so close to Manchester. Just so scary :sad:

[Sticks]

Well it did not take long for the conspiracy theorists to crawl out of the woodwork who are now attributing this as a Tory run false flag operation to steal the election from Labour

Link 1 - General chatter on Twitter (https://twitter.com/hashtag/falseflag?lang=en)

Link 2 - An article from the Daily Mail about these conspiracy theorists including Steve Brookstein from X-Factor (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4533372/Conspiracy-theorists-accuse-Tories-terror-attack-link.html)

I tend to find conspiracy theorists have a lack of basic understanding of how things actually work.

[Northern Monkey]

I won't say what i'd do to the ****ers if i was in charge

[Jack_]

There is no doubt that if we hadn't allowed so many into our country over the years many people would still be alive today. Unfortunately it will only get worse.

Born in Manchester in 1994

:rolleyes:

[Beso]

First I wanted to send my thoughts to all those affected.



This was bound to happen and it makes this tragedy come across as political gain for the Tories.

My son is Iranian and he now, through fear, lies to people about his nationality.

How can you say this is a political gain for the tories when the majority of people are appalled that our government are so weak in their attempts at stopping it happening!

[T*]

People using this as an 'political advantage' from ANY side should be ashamed of themselves. It's disgusting

[Northern Monkey]

Yeah i'm not buying that it was a Tory false flag op.I know they're pretty heartless but that's too much.

[Amy Jade]

He was known by the police.

22 year old Salman Abedi

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/05/23/17/article-4531940-40B5BEEE00000578-516_964x601.jpg
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4531940/Emergency-services-rush-Manchester-Arena.html

Evil killer 22 years old

[Sticks]

Yeah i'm not buying that it was a Tory false flag op.I know they're pretty heartless but that's too much.

Exactly, like I said conspiracy theorists have a lack of basic understanding of how things actually work and a poor grasp of reality.

Islamic State have already claimed responsibility although this is still to be verified

[jaxie]

Devastated today in college :sad:

Georgina was on second year in my college and another girl Lucy is is critical condition with shrapnel wounds :(

So sad to hear that.

[arista]

Labour activist is forced
to apologise after saying the
Manchester terror attack
which slaughtered 22 innocent
victims was WONDERFUL timing
for Theresa May

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4533372/Conspiracy-theorists-accuse-Tories-terror-attack-link.html#ixzz4hvBOVvaZ

[Nicky91]

Devastated today in college :sad:

Georgina was on second year in my college and another girl Lucy is is critical condition with shrapnel wounds :(

:love: :hug:

try to feel better babe, and pray for Lucy

[Alf]

The Summer is the peak time for these attacks, this could just be the beginning of a long summer of terrorism, all over the World. So stay vigilant and try to stay safe, and report anything suspicious.

It's about time people started saying, that there is a problem, within the religion of Islam. We can all see it, and speaking the truth doesn't make you bad person.

I'd ask for more Muslim reformers to come forward, but I don't believe the religion is capable of reformation, not like Christianity was.


We're in a real ****ty situation, and at the moment, I don't see a way out of it.

[Denver]

Anyone who is going gaypride be safe as that is a potential target

[Nicky91]

Anyone who is going gaypride be safe as that is a potential target

same to you Adam, stay safe but make sure you have fun as well :hug:

[Kazanne]

Labour activist is forced
to apologise after saying the
Manchester terror attack
which slaughtered 22 innocent
victims was WONDERFUL timing
for Theresa May

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4533372/Conspiracy-theorists-accuse-Tories-terror-attack-link.html#ixzz4hvBOVvaZ

OMG,what a thoughtless and stupid thing to say,some people really are brain dead.

[DemolitionRed]

Labour activist is forced
to apologise after saying the
Manchester terror attack
which slaughtered 22 innocent
victims was WONDERFUL timing
for Theresa May

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4533372/Conspiracy-theorists-accuse-Tories-terror-attack-link.html#ixzz4hvBOVvaZ

I wonder if The Sun will apologise to us all about what they said about Corbyn?
I mean, come on, there's a time and a place.

[arista]

'I saw the killer': Mother claims she stood just 15ft from Manchester Arena suicide bomber and spotted him because of 'risen bits' under his bright red clothes

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4533830/Mother-claims-stood-just-15ft-suicide-bomber.html#ixzz4hvEPyUVZ

[Kazanne]

The Summer is the peak time for these attacks, this could just be the beginning of a long summer of terrorism, all over the World. So stay vigilant and try to stay safe, and report anything suspicious.

It's about time people started saying, that there is a problem, within the religion of Islam. We can all see it, and speaking the truth doesn't make you bad person.

I'd ask for more Muslim reformers to come forward, but I don't believe the religion is capable of reformation, not like Christianity was.


We're in a real ****ty situation, and at the moment, I don't see a way out of it.


Good post Alf,people just too worried about saying what they feel for fear that someone wont like them,or call them a racist,it's ridiculous,well tough titty the troublemakers need to be booted out or locked up,there is no place for them in society ,I don't care what religion or colour they are.

[Withano]

Labour activist is forced
to apologise after saying the
Manchester terror attack
which slaughtered 22 innocent
victims was WONDERFUL timing
for Theresa May

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4533372/Conspiracy-theorists-accuse-Tories-terror-attack-link.html#ixzz4hvBOVvaZ

****ing ridiculous to bring politics into this. Especially so soon after. At least five people on this thread alone did too, its disgraceful.

[Shaun]

Reports of a suspicious package on Salford Uni campus:

867060355775832065

[DemolitionRed]

OMG,what a thoughtless and stupid thing to say,some people really are brain dead.

Why is it seen as not being politically correct to voice a different concern? The Sun and Daily Mail shut this sort of debate down all the time by making the tweeter into some sort of heartless monster. What the Sun and DM have just done is told us what we are allowed and not allowed to say.

[Nicky91]

'I saw the killer': Mother claims she stood just 15ft from Manchester Arena suicide bomber and spotted him because of 'risen bits' under his bright red clothes

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4533830/Mother-claims-stood-just-15ft-suicide-bomber.html#ixzz4hvEPyUVZ

under his bright red clothes

why wear something bright, omg :facepalm: or is it on purpose to let all of us know he's a terrorist :hehe:

[Kazanne]

Why is it seen as not being politically correct to voice a different concern? The Sun and Daily Mail shut this sort of debate down all the time by making the tweeter into some sort of heartless monster. What the Sun and DM have just done is told us what we are allowed and not allowed to say.

It's an insensitive thing to say by anyone,especially so soon,pretty low of any person to use this politically.

[Greg!]

Devastated today in college :sad:

Georgina was on second year in my college and another girl Lucy is is critical condition with shrapnel wounds :(

How awful. :(

I hope Lucy pulls through.

[Nicky91]

How awful. :(

I hope Lucy pulls through.

praying with you so much :love:

[Withano]

It was only a matter of time wasn't it ? we do need to stop pussyfooting around people like this who have no regards for human life, until then more atrocities like this will happen all the time.

It's an insensitive thing to say by anyone,especially so soon,pretty low of any person to use this politically.

In all seriousness, I don't see much of a difference. Politically-motivated angst to further your own opinions at the face of an atrocity. It is insensitive, yes.

[y.winter]

It's not going to be just the summer of terrorism. It's here to stay as long as the world will stay restrained with it. This is the new reality.

[arista]

under his bright red clothes

why wear something bright, omg :facepalm: or is it on purpose to let all of us know he's a terrorist :hehe:



No
its all change
Isis inspired, many say
his Bolts and Nuts Bomb was Home made
hard to stop him as you walk
UP TO HIM HE HITS THUMB SWITCH
all dead, in a second.

[jaxie]

I wonder if The Sun will apologise to us all about what they said about Corbyn?
I mean, come on, there's a time and a place.

Is it really necessary in this of all threads for people to keep political point scoring. It's inappropriate and if the politicians can call a halt their supporters should do the same.
Please stop all of you keeping this up it's in very bad taste.

[the truth]

The Summer is the peak time for these attacks, this could just be the beginning of a long summer of terrorism, all over the World. So stay vigilant and try to stay safe, and report anything suspicious.

It's about time people started saying, that there is a problem, within the religion of Islam. We can all see it, and speaking the truth doesn't make you bad person.

I'd ask for more Muslim reformers to come forward, but I don't believe the religion is capable of reformation, not like Christianity was.


We're in a real ****ty situation, and at the moment, I don't see a way out of it.

you will be called racist by liberals as I have been for making this simple sensible statement

[Nicky91]

No
its all change
Isis inspired, many say
his Bolts and Nuts Bomb was Home made
hard to stop him as you walk
UP TO HIM HE HITS THUMB SWITCH
all dead, in a second.

okay, more like do it yourself bomb making, it's scary that you can buy bomb parts in a store :worry:

[Alf]

you will be called racist by liberals as I have been for making this simple sensible statementI can deal with that, I know Islam isn't a race, and as long as I know, then that's all that matters.

I'd rather be a racist, then dead, or even worse, my friends or family dead.

[the truth]

I can deal with that, I know Islam isn't a race, and as long as I know, then that's all that matters.

I'd rather be a racist, then dead, or even worse, my friends or family dead.

agreed alf

[Kazanne]

In all seriousness, I don't see much of a difference. Politically-motivated angst to further your own opinions at the face of an atrocity. It is insensitive, yes.

Where in my post did I mention politics,or are you dilibrately trying to make something of the post to suit your agenda ?

[Withano]

Where in my post did I mention politics,or are you dilibrately trying to make something of the post to suit your agenda ?

It is a very political post, it didn't need a title. It had little-to-nothing to do with the story, especially when you consider the time you made that post.. it was purely political, and many others on the thread, the woman the DM reported on, and the Suns disgusting headline was too. Its simply disgraceful imo.

[Jay28jay2]

Lee Rigby - 22-05-2013
Brussels attack - 22-03-16
Munich attack - 22-07-16
London attack- 22-03-17
And now the Manchester attack - 22-5-17

Stay safe on the 22nd of every month, it seems to be a pattern :(

[Ammi]

...surely the only thing is to be clinging tightly to our families and loved ones right now and to be thankful that we are able to do that..as so many people right now just cannot..not snapping at what each other say or what the media says as we're the only ones that can give the rubbish printed significance or substance by allowing it into our thoughts and emotions...otherwise it's just nothing and will remain nothing...

..my heart breaks for the families and friends of those who lost their lives and for those and for all who will live with this terrifying experience...

[Kazanne]

It is a very political post, it didn't need a title. It had little-to-nothing to do with the story, especially when you consider the time you made that post.. it was purely political, and many others on the thread, the woman the DM reported on, and the Suns disgusting headline was too. Its simply disgraceful imo.

What are you on about? this is my post

"It was only a matter of time wasn't it ? we do need to stop pussyfooting around people like this who have no regards for human life, until then more atrocities like this will happen all the time"

So do you think we dont need to do anything ? there is no mention of politics,muslims,racism,but you're just love it to be wouldn't you,so if you cant see the post for what is is just skip past as you obviously just love drama.

[Withano]

What are you on about? this is my post

"It was only a matter of time wasn't it ? we do need to stop pussyfooting around people like this who have no regards for human life, until then more atrocities like this will happen all the time"

So do you think we dont need to do anything ? there is no mention of politics,muslims,racism,but you're just love it to be wouldn't you,so if you cant see the post for what is is just skip past as you obviously just love drama.

Dont love drama at all. People on and off the thread were still unravelling the story, and mourning the deaths of innocent children, whilst you and others discussed immigration levels, it was completely distateful and political. I didnt mention it until you started condemning people for doing something similar to you. Practice what you preach i guess :idc:

[andybigbro]

https://www.facebook.com/kingcobratate/videos/2013202415581226/

Andrew from BB17s view

[Kazanne]

Dont love drama at all. People on and off the thread were still unravelling the story, and mourning the deaths of innocent children, whilst you and others discussed immigration levels, it was completely distatefuk and political. I didnt mention it until you started condemning people for doing something similar to you. Practice what you preach i guess :idc:

Find my post on this thread (or anywhere for that matter) where i discussed immigration levels? I suggest you stay off the plonk.your seeing things, be careful you might trip over your halo,anyway as stated this thread is about those poor people not what you THINK I have posted,so just ignore me and we are all happy :wavey:

[Withano]

There is no doubt that if we hadn't allowed so many into our country over the years many people would still be alive today. Unfortunately it will only get worse.

People act so shocked, it's terrible, but what do they expect. These kind of attacks are going to become a normal part of British life. It isn't going to stop.

Find my post on this thread (or anywhere for that matter) where i discussed immigration levels? I suggest you stay off the plonk.your seeing things, be careful you might trip over your halo,anyway as stated this thread is about those poor people not what you THINK I have posted,so just ignore me and we are all happy :wavey:

Apart from you quoted the post above and responded to that, so yes. Unless you quoted it by accident, it was about immigration levels. Completely political, completely distateful, and completely hypocritical of you to condemn somebody for acting similarly.

[jaxie]

Where in my post did I mention politics,or are you dilibrately trying to make something of the post to suit your agenda ?

You didn't. It's just presumed based on preconceived ideas. :shrug:

[Shaun]

For the love of god, shut the **** up...

[Kazanne]

Apart from you quoted the post above and responded to that, so yes. Unless you quoted it by accident, it was about immigration levels.

I was answering Brillo,about something needed to be done and we needed to stop pussyfooting about, ,just stop trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.If you have an issue with immigration respond to Brillo not me.Love how people try and make others look 'disgusting' people while they are preening their wings.Go and preach your virtues to someone else,now can we get back on topic?

[Rob!]

youre a dangerous person. everyone who arrives at our shores should be thoroughly vetted...everyone who leaves , especially to countries in the middle east should be thoroughly vetted...the 2 million plus illegal immigrants who have arrived in the past 20 years should be thoroughly vetted. the open borders across europe which do not checking at all should be closed. all of this protects us and secures our borders and makes it harder to go back and forth with wepaons with sick terrorist training and spreading this warped ideology

you can sit there and allow open borders and call everyone racist, that does nothing to protect us it makes is 100 times worse

Yes. I'm a dangerous person. That's right. :unsure:

[Northern Monkey]

I can deal with that, I know Islam isn't a race, and as long as I know, then that's all that matters.

I'd rather be a racist, then dead, or even worse, my friends or family dead.

:thumbs:

And it's not racist to criticise a backwards and barbaric religion.

There are problems with Islam and hiding that solves nothing.

Nobody's saying all muslims are bad.Just that the problems need to be honestly looked at.

[Scarlett.]

Can we for once have some respect and not turn this into yet another TiBB mud slinging contests, Jesus.

[Withano]

I was answering Brillo,about something needed to be done and we needed to stop pussyfooting about, ,just stop trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.If you have an issue with immigration respond to Brillo not me.Love how people try and make others look 'disgusting' people while they are preening their wings.Go and preach your virtues to someone else,now can we get back on topic?

Changed your tune fast enough. Bringing up politics was wrong initially, now its fine if its about immigration and in response to somebody else.
I don't feel the need to discuss it with Brillo, she hasn't condemned others for discussing politics, shes been consistent enough in where she sees the line.
But yes, back to topic is for the best for everybody.

[Natalie.]

Can't get this out of my head :( awful

[Kazanne]

Lovely to see that homeless man saying he maybe homeless but doesnt mean he hasn't got a heart,that is the human side of this people helping each other

[AnnieK]

One of the vitems lived down the road from me. Don't know him but tributes coming in thick and fast. Having to try to explain to my 6 year old now why a bad man killed people in manchester... just shouldn't have to do it. Sad sad times. Vigil on in manchester and massive numbers have turned out :love: I was in the city earlier and it was so quiet....loads of police and people milljng around but not much talking and certainly no laughter. Was very eerie

[Kazanne]

One of the vitems lived down the road from me. Don't know him but tributes coming in thick and fast. Having to try to explain to my 6 year old now why a bad man killed people in manchester... just shouldn't have to do it. Sad sad times. Vigil on in manchester and massive numbers have turned out :love: I was in the city earlier and it was so quiet....loads of police and people milljng around but not much talking and certainly no laughter. Was very eerie

Was it the 28 year old guy Annie,they just showed him on the news,I can imagine it being very quiet there ,I was there a while back it is a massive arena, such a shame.

[Brillopad]

No, but outside a venue is (for want of a better word) better than inside a foyer. I realise the logistics of implementing stricter security checks isn't easy for a large capacity venue, but they can certainly make changes in some places. When I went to NYC and DC last year there was airport style screening in all of the main tourist attractions and security by exit doors so you couldn't get in if you weren't coming out. Understandable given the events sixteen years ago and the cities are of course not comparable to Manchester, but there's definitely changes that can be made.



How do you know that? Has the identity of the attacker been revealed? The Westminster one was British born. More often than not these incidents have nothing to do with immigration or refugees, they're the radicalisation of people already living here. It's far too early to be speculating on stuff like this, not to mention inappropriate.

But seeing as you're going to make this political, do not doubt for any second that Lynton Crosby is rubbing his hands this morning. This will be the new attack line within a week, don't think that they won't sink that low, because they absolutely will. Mark my words.

I'm as upset as everyone else about all past and future victims of these people. But the reasons behind this tradegy can't be ignored - the elephant in the room should be allowed to be talked about.

My post clearly referred to our policies over a number of years with generations of immigration that has now led to a generation of anti-British/West cultures that hate the country and the people that gave them a better life than their parents/grandparents had before coming here.

You can can try to undermine such opinions all you like but the facts are that past decisions have now led to homegrown terrorism that isn't going to go away.

We all have to live with it now thanks to the decisions of others.

[Withano]

Time and place, Brillo

[Brillopad]

Apart from you quoted the post above and responded to that, so yes. Unless you quoted it by accident, it was about immigration levels. Completely political, completely distateful, and completely hypocritical of you to condemn somebody for acting similarly.

And your post is every bit as distasteful as you accuse mine of being. Homing in on anyone who mentions the unmentionable according to your train of thought. A very questionable attempt at shutting down the valid views of others.

[arista]

from Ch4HD news
a couple waiting for their daughters
noticed a girl with Hair of Fire
and a plastic bag melted into her skin.

Their daughters were OK

[Brillopad]

Time and place, Brillo

Your earlier posts invalidate such remarks. You may be trying to take the moral high ground here but that doesn't make you entitled to it. That is my last word on this because I know exactly where it will lead. :nono:

[Withano]

And your post is every bit as distasteful as you accuse mine of being. Homing in on anyone who mentions the unmentionable according to your train of thought. A very questionable attempt at shutting down the valid views of others.

Time and place, Brillo

People on and off the thread were literally mourning, Brillo. It wasnt the time for anybodys personal political opinions imo. Its still not, reply to this elsewhere if you're gonna further your political mindset

[Deirdre]

Been thinking about this all day. So close to home and so close to an event anyone we know could be attending. I remember seeing Beyonce last summer in Croke Park, an absolute sea of people, never seen so many people in one place in my whole life. Not even a pat down on the way in... a terrorist's paradise. And I do believe it's a matter of time before some lunatic tries something like this in Dublin. The problem is clearly only getting worse. And I agree with people saying we need to talk about it. Some serious action needs to be taken, idk what that should be but innocent children dying is just utterly heartbreaking.

I know it might not seem important, but I imagine this is having a huge affect on Ariana Grande. She must be feeling a huge sense of guilt. I know she didn't do anything wrong and these things cannot be foreseen, but I think this is something that will impact her badly unfortunately.

[Withano]

Police are understood to have recovered CCTV video of the bomber walking into Manchester Arena where he detonated a bomb. It shows the explosion was deliberate and caused by a suicide device, believed to be contained in a bag, a source said.

The device is described as homemade and crude. It was stable enough to be transported and explode with devastating effect and was believed to have been constructed in Britain.

The attacker had an identity document on him, sources said. The man named by police - Salman Abedi - was born to parents from Libya who came to Britain to flee the Gadaffi regime.

One senior security source described the attack involving the acquisition and construction of a bomb as “a game changer” that has “rocked us backwards”, because a successful bomb plot has not occurred in the UK since 2005.

Adding to that is uncertainty among investigators about whether Abedi built the bomb himself, or had help. GMP chief constable Ian Hopkins said: “The priority remains to establish whether he was acting alone or as part of a network.”

(Why would he have an identity document on him?)

[RichardG]

why does any murderer do what they do

he wanted fame

[Northern Monkey]

(Why would he have an identity document on him?)

Drivers license might have been in his wallet?

[Kazanne]

Been thinking about this all day. So close to home and so close to an event anyone we know could be attending. I remember seeing Beyonce last summer in Croke Park, an absolute sea of people, never seen so many people in one place in my whole life. Not even a pat down on the way in... a terrorist's paradise. And I do believe it's a matter of time before some lunatic tries something like this in Dublin. The problem is clearly only getting worse. And I agree with people saying we need to talk about it. Some serious action needs to be taken, idk what that should be but innocent children dying is just utterly heartbreaking.

I know it might not seem important, but I imagine this is having a huge affect on Ariana Grande. She must be feeling a huge sense of guilt. I know she didn't do anything wrong and these things cannot be foreseen, but I think this is something that will impact her badly unfortunately.

I was thinking this too,she may feel guilty that those kids died,I hear that she has cancelled the rest of her concerts and is considering leaving the music industry,hopefully the latter is based on rumour

[Withano]

Drivers license might have been in his wallet?

Oh yeah true, I was thinking it was a deliberate thing.. something he brought to be found

[Denver]

Drivers license might have been in his wallet?

would it not be destroyed in the explosion?

[Northern Monkey]

Oh yeah true, I was thinking it was a deliberate thing.. something he brought to be found

Could be that too.Maybe he wanted to be remembered?

[Deirdre]

I was thinking this too,she may feel guilty that those kids died,I hear that she has cancelled the rest of her concerts and is considering leaving the music industry,hopefully the latter is based on rumour



I think leaving the industry is a rumour. Right now she's suspended her UK dates and will reschedule them at a later time. I would completely understand if she cancelled the rest of the tour. I bet she's conflicted about what course of action she should take. I know id be anxious getting up on a stage again if I were her


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[Sticks]

why does any murderer do what they do

he wanted fame

No, it is not that simple, he was persuaded by whoever radicalised him that when he set off his device he would immediately be received into paradise with 72 virgins for dying a martyrs death in holy Jihad against the infidels.

Under certain variants of Islam, with Islamic State and the Taliban, music is considered Haram (Forbidden), so also is educating girls. They should not even be taught how to read. There job is to cook and clean and be Jihadi brides to have sex with their husbands and bear sons (Not Daughters!!)

Also America is seen in some Islamic extremist circles as the Great Satan, so a pop concert with a representative of the Great Satan, who is clearly literate (Haram for a female), involved in Satanic and Haram music, not wearing a full burka and face veil inciting other women who should be at home serving their fathers and husband, in silent reverence would be so repugnant to those who are radicalised that they would consider it a great honour and sacred duty to sacrifice their lives bringing it to an end. And as mentioned above, Allah will smile on them for their efforts and welcome them into paradise et al.

He did not want fame per say, he wanted to die serving Allah in holy Jihad.

The real villains are those who radicalised him into such beliefs , which many mainstream moderate Muslims will also see are a perversion of Islam, and sent him out to die, or at least encouraged him to do so :mad:

[arista]

https://d2kmm3vx031a1h.cloudfront.net/yMvSITMzSFaJH0Z0g0Yx_metro.PNG

[Sticks]

I think leaving the industry is a rumour. Right now she's suspended her UK dates and will reschedule them at a later time. I would completely understand if she cancelled the rest of the tour. I bet she's conflicted about what course of action she should take. I know id be anxious getting up on a stage again if I were her


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Well if she does leave the music industry it will prove that terrorism works..

Just like it did in Spain...

[arista]

https://d2kmm3vx031a1h.cloudfront.net/7dFnlWKyROicbavBRRMN_men.PNG

[Denver]

A man with an axe and Baseball bat was arrested at the vigilant

[RichardG]

No, it is not that simple, he was persuaded by whoever radicalised him that when he set off his device he would immediately be received into paradise with 72 virgins for dying a martyrs death in holy Jihad against the infidels.

Under certain variants of Islam, with Islamic State and the Taliban, music is considered Haram (Forbidden), so also is educating girls. They should not even be taught how to read. There job is to cook and clean and be Jihadi brides to have sex with their husbands and bear sons (Not Daughters!!)

Also America is seen in some Islamic extremist circles as the Great Satan, so a pop concert with a representative of the Great Satan, who is clearly literate (Haram for a female), involved in Satanic and Haram music, not wearing a full burka and face veil inciting other women who should be at home serving their fathers and husband, in silent reverence would be so repugnant to those who are radicalised that they would consider it a great honour and sacred duty to sacrifice their lives bringing it to an end. And as mentioned above, Allah will smile on them for their efforts and welcome them into paradise et al.

He did not want fame per say, he wanted to die serving Allah in holy Jihad.

The real villains are those who radicalised him into such beliefs , which many mainstream moderate Muslims will also see are a perversion of Islam, and sent him out to die, or at least encouraged him to do so :mad:

yes but i'm sure he wanted to be remembered for it, that's why i thought he left his id on him

[Kazanne]

A man with an axe and Baseball bat was arrested at the vigilant

wasn't that in Birmingham Adam?

[Denver]

wasn't that in Birmingham Adam?

Yes the Birmingham one

[Kazanne]

I think leaving the industry is a rumour. Right now she's suspended her UK dates and will reschedule them at a later time. I would completely understand if she cancelled the rest of the tour. I bet she's conflicted about what course of action she should take. I know id be anxious getting up on a stage again if I were her


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Yeah,would be a shame if she gave her music up,she must feel pretty awful right now.

[Withano]

would it not be destroyed in the explosion?

In my head, a nail bomb looked like hundreds of bullets, made out of metal bolts and stuff, firing in every direction, but its not something I've ever researched.. is it more of an explosion?

[Denver]

In my head, a nail bomb looked like hundreds of bullets firing in every direction, but its not something I've ever researched.. is it more of an explosion?

I have no idea to me a bomb means explosion destroying everything

[reece(:]

Faith leaders and community organisations across the UK have condemned Monday night’s attack.

Justin Welby, the archbishop of Canterbury, tweeted his condolences. “Heroic Manchester, dark evil cannot overcome it. We pray for those in sorrow on the hard journey of loss & pain, & for those who protect us,” he wrote.


David Walker, the bishop of Manchester, said: “What makes this latest atrocity particularly dreadful is the deliberate choice of a concert known to attract very young fans. Many lives will be lived out, impacted by this tragedy for long years to come. Others have had decades of life ripped away from them.

“There is a proper anger and rage in the face of events like this. Our challenge will be to direct that rage and anger to be a force for good. We will rally around the victims and their families. We will unite across our diversity, drawing close especially to any that the terrorists would seek to separate us from. And we will rebuild and repair the damage to our city, as we have done before.”

Churches in Greater Manchester would be open for people to pray today, he added.

Harun Khan, the secretary general of the Muslim Council of Britain, said: “This is horrific, this is criminal. May the perpetrators face the full weight of justice both in this life and the next.

“I pay tribute to the police and emergency services who have worked valiantly to save lives last night. They were helped by civilians who rushed in to offer their support. I urge all those in the region and around the country to pool together to support those affected.”

The counter-extremist organisation Faith Matters said that actions against groups promoting Islamist and victimisation narratives had rarely been effective “when they create a fertile ground for mindsets who believe that they are being targeted by the government because they are Muslim. This causes them to become more and more isolated and drawn to further extremist rhetoric”.

Founder Fiyaz Mughal added: “We are moving into another phase given the Manchester killings. For years, government has had its hands tied behind its back and worried about legal action against it if it acts against groups. Manchester should be a turning point and a realisation that terrorists will not stop their murder of innocent people.

“We have to ensure that groups promoting Islamist and far-right extremist rhetoric are challenged, shown for the hypocrites that they are and that they are a fundamental threat to our democracy.”

John Arnold, the Catholic bishop of Manchester, said such an attack “can have no justification”.
The general assembly of the Church of Scotland opened in Edinburgh with prayers and silence for the victims of the attack. “That young people and children, with others, could be the subject of what police are now treating as a premeditated act of violence is beyond comprehension. There is no cause, political or religious, that justifies actions of senseless brutality, anywhere or at any time,” said the moderator Derek Browning.

The European Jewish Congress condemned the attack. It “demonstrates once again that the enemies of civilisation have no boundaries,” Moshe Kantor, the EJC president, said. “This was a concert attended by mostly young people and children and is a ghastly reminder that terrorism sees all of us as potential targets, regardless of age, religion, nationality or background.”
Bhai Amrik Singh, the chair of the Sikh Federation UK, said: “The suicide bomber who mindlessly targeted innocent young people in the Manchester Arena must have been deranged.

“I would like to applaud Sikhs living and working in Manchester who immediately came to the support of those caught up in the terror attack. This ranged from Sikh taxi drivers who drove people away from the danger to our Gurdwaras, who opened their doors to help strangers.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/live/2017/may/22/manchester-arena-ariana-grande-concert-explosion-england?page=with%3Ablock-5923f1d1e4b03ddbc8d5c2ef

[Locke.]

This is for the boxing at the weekend but I think this is the kind of thing that is going to have to start happening at every big public event

Eddie Hearn‏Verified account @EddieHearn 4h4 hours ago
Today we held meetings with Sheffield United Football Club, South Yorkshire Police Force and the British Boxing Board Control to discuss 1/2

the Security operations for Saturday's Event.A stringent full body search will be administered on entrance & no bags will be admitted into

the stadium.Also South Yorkshire Police will have an extensive presence at the venue.Please allow extra time to enter the Stadium. Thank you

[Northern Monkey]

In my head, a nail bomb looked like hundreds of bullets, made out of metal bolts and stuff, firing in every direction, but its not something I've ever researched.. is it more of an explosion?

I heard the boom it made on YT on the telly.Definately a big explosion.I think they surround it with shrapnel and nails to worsen the effect.But still a bomb

[Northern Monkey]

This is for the boxing at the weekend but I think this is the kind of thing that is going to have to start happening at every big public event

I hope the security is stringent at the end when people are leaving.That is the hardest bit to control

[reece(:]

This is for the boxing at the weekend but I think this is the kind of thing that is going to have to start happening at every big public event

This is for the best.

[Denver]

Steve Brookstein made a tit of himself and claimed Tessa May organised the attack

[Denver]

The mum of the young girl who died is critically ill and doesnt know her daughter has died :sad:

[Samm]

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</3 so surreal that this has happened

[Amy Jade]

Ariana looks distraught. Poor girl.

[Denver]

She should be the last person on anyones mind she got out alive 22 others didnt

[the truth]

She should be the last person on anyones mind she got out alive 22 others didnt

exactly

[Cal.]

She should be the last person on anyones mind she got out alive 22 others didnt

I hate when people keeping saying stuff like this.

She was the reason the 22 were there. Of course she's going to be distraught.

[Samm]

She should be the last person on anyones mind she got out alive 22 others didnt

??? there's no need for this. yes the families and the people that passed should be the focus but there's no need to compare

[Denver]

I hate when people keeping saying stuff like this.

She was the reason the 22 were there. Of course she's going to be distraught.

yes but the big deal shouldnt be about her.

just because she is famous doesnt mean she is more distraught then the thousands others involved or the families involved

[Headie]

She should be the last person on anyones mind she got out alive 22 others didnt

exactly

How would you feel if 22 people were killed and 59 people were injured because they came to see YOU, solely you, specifically you, nobody else?

It's clear from her tweet alone she feels heavily guilty about what happened, when it was not her fault. She doesn't deserve that kind of pressure, and those people didn't deserve to be injured or lose their lives.

[Samm]

just because she is famous doesnt mean she is more distraught then the thousands others involved or the families involved

nobody is saying she is???

[Denver]

I seen fans on social media pretty much say as long as she is alive nobody else matters

[Headie]

yes but the big deal shouldnt be about her.

just because she is famous doesnt mean she is more distraught then the thousands others involved or the families involved

The big deal isn't about her? Someone posted one picture of her, people commented on it. Simple.

[Amy Jade]

She should be the last person on anyones mind she got out alive 22 others didnt

exactly

Don't dictate to me who I should and should not feel sorry for.

She's dealing with the fact somebody used her concert as a way to hurt her fans. I am very aware 22 people have tragically lost their lives.

Neither of you weild the power to pick and choose who I sympathise for so piss off.

[Cal.]

yes but the big deal shouldnt be about her.

just because she is famous doesnt mean she is more distraught then the thousands others involved or the families involved

Nobody said she was.

I'm pretty sure everybody (including her fans) has been making the victims and the families the number one. It's a tragedy for every single person involved and there's literally no need to pick petty arguments like this. Get some perspective.

[Headie]

I seen fans on social media pretty much say as long as she is alive nobody else matters
So they speak for everybody do they?

[the truth]

How would you feel if 22 people were killed and 59 people were injured because they came to see YOU, solely you, specifically you, nobody else?

It's clear from her tweet alone she feels heavily guilty about what happened, when it was not her fault. She doesn't deserve that kind of pressure, and those people didn't deserve to be injured or lose their lives.

her feelings are of no interest to me
Id feel a lot worse if I had losta relative or if I was injured killed myself

[Jake.]

I seen fans on social media pretty much say as long as she is alive nobody else matters

Go preach to them then.

[Cal.]

I seen fans on social media pretty much say as long as she is alive nobody else matters

You haven't.

[the truth]

Nobody said she was.

I'm pretty sure everybody (including her fans) has been making the victims and the families the number one. It's a tragedy for every single person involved and there's literally no need to pick petty arguments like this. Get some perspective.

wrong. your moral relativism is nonsense...you may as well say those watching on tv suffered as much as those who died, its bat crazy

the people injured or killed suffered the most
those close relatives of their suffered too

[Jøsh]

How would you feel if 22 people were killed and 59 people were injured because they came to see YOU, solely you, specifically you, nobody else?

It's clear from her tweet alone she feels heavily guilty about what happened, when it was not her fault. She doesn't deserve that kind of pressure, and those people didn't deserve to be injured or lose their lives.

They wouldn't see me. Nobody likes me.

[Cal.]

wrong. your moral relativism is nonsense...you may as well say those watching on tv suffered as much as those who died, its bat crazy

the people injured or killed suffered the most
those close relatives of their suffered too

When did I ever say that? Shut up.

[Denver]

So they speak for everybody do they?

It just irritates me when ive seen hundreds of similar messages only caring about her.

It was a sad night for everyone in the arena and the families who lost people,

think they should focus on everyones experience not hers

[Amy Jade]

Adam you're genuinely winding me up. You have tried all day to dictate who people should feel sympathy for. I haven't seen a single insensitive person on here apart from the truth trying to turn it into a mud slinging political debate.

There will always be trolls on twitters saying stupid things don't tar all her fans with your negative slant.