Applauding a serial cheat

[T*]

You didn't at all though

Exactly, I didn't shut him down at all

[Marsh.]

i think we can all agree that it's best raph is evicted on friday so we can go back to normal in terms of how we use the forum/stuff we say
Raph is the blood that must be sacrificed in order to restore equilibrium?

[Merry Mockmas]

What was the point in this?

Just sarcasm because I dared to actually point out common sense about the point of Big Brother.

But clearly it should be just watch the VT's and give the crown to the best VT as how the Housemates have been coming across so far doesn't matter.

[Jake.]

He has gone in the house and so far come over as fake simply as that

We'll see what happens come Friday :)

[Denver]

Friends with Raph or not lets not act like these types of threads dont happen every series

And anyone hardly defends them and says they can cheat because they were young

[Amy Jade]

I don't want him out.

I just don't like that came out tonight and I believe his 'tears' were fake.

[Jake.]

Just sarcasm because I dared to actually point out common sense about the point of Big Brother.

But clearly it should be just watch the VT's and give the crown to the best VT as how the Housemates have been coming across so far doesn't matter.

Don't rise to it Mock

[Alf]

i think we can all agree that it's best raph is evicted on friday so we can go back to normal in terms of how we use the forum/stuff we sayRubbish! Raph to win the money.

[Marsh.]

No, I get that Marsh, what I don't know is when it becomes a commitment.
I can see the first girl could feel she was in a relationship( again, I don't understand at such a young age why you would be committed) but if the second and third girl knew he was in it for the fun then I can't see a problem with it.
I guess I just can't see what the rush is to get into a committed relationship that young, I was all for a good time before I settled down.
Where has it started that the partners after the first one knew it was just a bit of fun and then claimed he cheated come from?

I think the fact that Raph has called himself a serial cheat and said he cheated on them tells us there was a level of commitment or he's surely defend himself from that cheating label?

[T*]

This thread is literally just 'In the show I don't like how raph did this, maybe it's part of his gameplan'
'No it isn't I spent time with him in 2015 so your opinion is wrong!!!'

[Merry Mockmas]

I didn't shut him down, I was saying it was okay for him to have that opinion. Good for him!

Fair enough if that was your point.

[Lostie!]

This thread is literally just 'In the show I don't like how raph did this, maybe it's part of his gameplan'
'No it isn't I spent time with him in 2015 so your opinion is wrong!!!'

Well it's not because not everyone defending him are people who've met him.

[T*]

It's the majority though

[Marsh.]

Well it's not because not everyone defending him are people who've met him.
Oh look who it is.

LOOK WHO IT IS!

[Drew.]

oh it was far more recent than 2015 boo

[Amy Jade]

Well it's not because not everyone defending him are people who've met him.

Just the same as not everyone not liking him tonight has a vendetta against him and have been waiting for any reason to attack him.

[Locke.]

How's your day been going Mock?

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

boo

this is baiting :/

he's mocking gay culture

[Drew.]

you caught me :hee:

[Marsh.]

How's your day been going Mock?
Off topic!!!!!!


Josy!!!!! Niamh!!!!!!

[T*]

oh it was far more recent than 2015 boo

I'm quaking in my boots

[Jake.]

It's the majority though

Like 4 members at most though

[Marsh.]

oh boo

oh sis

[reece(:]

Just the same as not everyone not liking him tonight has a vendetta against him and have been waiting for any reason to attack him.

True, rather tit for tat but to be expected both ways

[Drew.]

I'm quaking in my boots

When did you become so unbearable? well more unbearable than normal

[T*]

Like 4 members at most though
That's sad huh?

[Jake.]

When did you become so unbearable? well more unbearable than normal

His coach trip loss still haunts him?

[Jake.]

That's sad huh?

You are sad, yes

[Braden]

I feel like the two characters in Room with the amount of shade that's been thrown in here.

[Drew.]

His coach trip loss still haunts him?

aw

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

I feel like the two characters in Room with the amount of shade that's been thrown in here.

afhfdggfg :joker:

[Marsh.]

I feel like the two characters in Room with the amount of shade that's been thrown in here.
:joker:

[Black Dagger]

oh it was far more recent than 2015 boo

We like to forget HOL existed ty

[T*]

When did you become so unbearable? well more unbearable than normal

Apparently since raph entered
When some people saw one comment of criticism in a wave of support for their friend they seemed to not be able to take it anymore
Nice attempt at the shade though

[Jake.]

If raph wasn't a forum member you wouldn't be picking up on stuff he does/says as hard, just like we wouldn't be supporting him as much as we are

nowt more to it

[Jack_]

Aaaand it's started already

This entire thread is emblematic of how nasty it's gonna get on here this summer, worst on season ever bookmark me

[T*]

His coach trip loss still haunts him?

I came second, hardly a loss :fan:

[Jake.]

Apparently since raph entered
When some people saw one comment of criticism in a wave of support for their friend they seemed to not be able to take it anymore
Nice attempt at the shade though

"One comment"

Because that happened

[Merry Mockmas]

How's your day been going Mock?

I finally got my Ukulele tuned properly.:dance:

[Drew.]

Apparently since raph entered
When some people saw one comment of criticism in a wave of support for their friend they seemed to not be able to take it anymore
Nice attempt at the shade though

That recent?

[Jake.]

I came second, hardly a loss :fan:

Nah it's still a loss

[Marsh.]

Aaaand it's started already

This entire thread is emblematic of how nasty it's gonna get on here this summer, worst on season ever bookmark me
I haven't seen anything nasty at all. From either side.

[Lostie!]

Just the same as not everyone not liking him tonight has a vendetta against him and have been waiting for any reason to attack him.

Correct. Don't believe I've suggested otherwise.

[Daniel-X]

This thread is making me queasy. Can we not get on girls?

[T*]

If raph wasn't a forum member you wouldn't be picking up on stuff he does/says as hard, just like we wouldn't be supporting him as much as we are

nowt more to it

Actually I was pretty vocal about Andrew last year but okay

[Jack.]

To be honest who really cares if someone is a serial cheater or not it's their life. I would say the same if I was tom or lotan aswell it's their lives so they shouldn't be judged

[Locke.]

I finally got my Ukulele tuned properly.:dance:

Can you post some videos of you playing it in this thread please Mock

[Black Dagger]

Nah it's still a loss

Do you mind!!!

[Jake.]

Actually I was pretty vocal about Andrew last year but okay

What has Andrew got to do with anything though

[Jake.]

I finally got my Ukulele tuned properly.:dance:

This is just what we needed

[reece(:]

To be honest who really cares if someone is a serial cheater or not it's their life. I would say the same if I was tom or lotan aswell it's their lives so they shouldn't be judged

Well it's televised and this forum is for us to comment on the show, so here we are

[LukeB]

This thread is making me queasy. Can we not get on girls?

https://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lu3whtrzYr1qby2i8o1_250.gif

[Amy Jade]

If raph wasn't a forum member you wouldn't be picking up on stuff he does/says as hard, just like we wouldn't be supporting him as much as we are

nowt more to it

This is untrue.

[Merry Mockmas]

Can you post some videos of you playing it in this thread please Mock

Haha I'm at a very basic level at the moment, like it's offensive to probably people at a basic level on the Ukulele.:joker:

I might dedicate a song towards Raph's victory on Big Brother though.:dance::joker:

[Jack_]

I haven't seen anything nasty at all. From either side.

'how nasty it's gonna get'

[T*]

"One comment"

Because that happened

Well almost, I posted like 3 things about raph in the discussion thread yesterday and I got told 'we get it you don't like him' and more!
Enjoy not being able to take criticisms against your friends and attacking those who say them I guess?

[Jake.]

This is untrue.

it's not though

everything raph does/says is magnified by both ends

[Lostie!]

https://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lu3whtrzYr1qby2i8o1_250.gif

Don't think I didn't see the pre-edit flop

[Daniel-X]

Poor whoever has to clean this up.

For the record (probably unneeded but just thought I'd add my point) I actually warmed a lot more to Raph tonight, idc about the 'serial cheat' thing and while I do think the tears were fake. It was a good game move on his behalf so :shrug:

[Marsh.]

To be honest who really cares if someone is a serial cheater or not it's their life. I would say the same if I was tom or lotan aswell it's their lives so they shouldn't be judged
"Shouldn't be judged"


Then reality TV discussion is cancelled.
Evaluating their personalities and judging their good and bad qualities is kind of the point of forums like this?

[Daniel-X]

https://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lu3whtrzYr1qby2i8o1_250.gif

She doesn't even go here!

[T*]

What has Andrew got to do with anything though

You literally said I wouldn't be as vocal as I am about raph if he wasn't from here?? I gave you an example where I was

[Jordan.]

it's not though

everything raph does/says is magnified by both ends

A thread about any of the housemates being a serial cheat and then the questionable crying after would have been made :shrug:

[Jake.]

Well almost, I posted like 3 things about raph in the discussion thread yesterday and I got told 'we get it you don't like him' and more!
Enjoy not being able to take criticisms against your friends and attacking those who say them I guess?

Literally no different from you posting "good for you." to Mock when he shared an opinion which differerd from yours

[LukeB]

Don't think I didn't see the pre-edit flop

https://i.giphy.com/tluiyIK3KcxIQ.webp

but that flop was not my fault.

[Daniel-X]

At least we all agree on Chanelle anyways!

[Locke.]

Terrible isn't she

[Marsh.]

What has Andrew got to do with anything though
I didn't watch bb17 but I imagine he was a cheater too?

[smudgie]

Where has it started that the partners after the first one knew it was just a bit of fun and then claimed he cheated come from?

I think the fact that Raph has called himself a serial cheat and said he cheated on them tells us there was a level of commitment or he's surely defend himself from that cheating label?

Hmmm, maybe you are right, but I just don't see it the same way.
When we were at school we all knew who was going with who, maybe the schools in America are bigger, or they didn't all go to the same school:shrug:

[Jake.]

You literally said I wouldn't be as vocal as I am about raph if he wasn't from here?? I gave you an example where I was

Vocal about what though? Him whipping his girlfriend?

[Merry Mockmas]

You literally said I wouldn't be as vocal as I am about raph if he wasn't from here?? I gave you an example where I was

Tbf would you say that Raph is as dodgy with his actions as Andrew could be in the house so far? I mean I remember Andrew got started quite quickly.:joker:

Btw I actually didn't mind Andrew so it's not a dig at him.

[Ross.]

Speaking of Andrew, look at my sig for a chuckle courtesy of Lostie!

[T*]

Literally no different from you posting "good for you." to Mock when he shared an opinion which differerd from yours
I already said that it wasn't meant in a snarky way though :shrug:

[Ross.]

That's all I have to contribute to this

[Jake.]

I already said that it wasn't meant in a snarky way though :shrug:

So what? It was still snarky

[Marsh.]

'how nasty it's gonna get'
Then poor you and you're negative view of tibb and its lovely people.

[armand.kay]

At least we all agree on Chanelle anyways!

This is all that truly matters.

[Amy Jade]

it's not though

everything raph does/says is magnified by both ends

It is untrue.

Had anyone in this episode had said they were a serial cheater I would have said exactly what I have said about Raph about that person.

Why are people presuming anyone who speaks out against his actions in the house are doing it because he happens to post here?

[Marsh.]

At least we all agree on Chanelle anyways!
That she's bloody awful?

Yes we do pal.

[T*]

Vocal about what though? Him whipping his girlfriend?

His homophobic tweets, his overall bigoted stance when he was IN the house and his big ego :shrug:

[Ross.]

That she's bloody awful?

Yes we do pal.

Anyway

[Wizard.]

So basically "Raph does something not very nice or says something not very nice which causes a debate on the forum like most other housemates and we'll get 'I was with him in a caravan I know him better."

WHAT a fun on season. :/

wow I agree STOP bringing up the fookin caravan that's all I have to say.

[T*]

So what? It was still snarky

'I didn't mean it in a snarky way'
'It's still snarky!!!!!!'
What?

[Lostie!]

That's all I have to contribute to this

:joker:

[Marsh.]

Anyway
Oh caah


CAAH

[Daniel-X]

This is all that truly matters.

Couldn't have put it better meself!

That she's bloody awful?

Yes we do pal.

UGH THERE'S ALWAYS ONE ISN'T THERE WHO HAS TO SPOIL THE ****IN FUN.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

oh it was far more recent than 2015 boo

also if it was 2016 that's only 1 more year

1 more year isn't "far more"

can you explain this

http://cdn.playbuzz.com/cdn/5139bdc5-4cbd-4e8a-a131-e32e2313ceb0/871fd9cf-9bb5-4f56-9d3a-e849f041a516.gif

[Samm]

http://i.imgur.com/TwMvSad.png

[Marsh.]

UGH THERE'S ALWAYS ONE ISN'T THERE WHO HAS TO SPOIL THE ****IN FUN.

Bloody Chanelle :fist:

[Black Dagger]

wow I agree STOP bringing up the fookin caravan that's all I have to say.

Frig off!!!

[Jake.]

His homophobic tweets, his overall bigoted stance when he was IN the house and his big ego :shrug:

all really comparable to what Raph did

[Locke.]

Seems like a good thread to advertise we've got 6 spare tickets to Friday's eviction to come along and support Raph, who's in

[T*]

all really comparable to what Raph did

You were saying that I wouldn't of looked into anyone else as a HM like I have to Raph. I wasn't comparing it to what raph did, I was comparing it to how I looked into raph.

[Marsh.]

Frig off!!!
I imagine that was said loads in t'caravan only with "me" between the two words. :smug:

[Wizard.]

Frig off!!!

We are judging him from face value not because we played spin the bottle with him in Devon :fist::fist:

[Drew.]

also if it was 2016 that's only 1 more year

1 more year isn't "far more"

can you explain this

http://cdn.playbuzz.com/cdn/5139bdc5-4cbd-4e8a-a131-e32e2313ceb0/871fd9cf-9bb5-4f56-9d3a-e849f041a516.gif

How do you know when or where we last met?

[Jake.]

'I didn't mean it in a snarky way'
'It's still snarky!!!!!!'
What?

Ok well in that case the person who said to you "ok we get it you don't like raph" could swing it around to not make it look negative too, doesn't mean anything changes

and it was snarky, there's only one way "good for you." can really be interpreted

[Marsh.]

all really comparable to what Raph did
About as relevant as staying in a caravan with him I would imagine when it comes to discussing his stance on commitment. :smug:

[Black Dagger]

We are judging him from face value not because we played spin the bottle with him in Devon :fist::fist:

It was ring of fire actually!!

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

How do you know when or where we last met?

you posted about it on here?

[jet]

I prefer to judge them in the house for how many weeks they'll be in there than some overproduced VT that every Housemates talks the big talk and then is nothing like that in the house 99% of the time.

Yep. All of a sudden VT's and what is said in them is the be all and end all when most HM's push a bit of controversy to get themselves in there.
I don't know who Raph is, I'm usually just here on - season and I can't remember ever coming across him so I'm unbiased. People can make mistakes and bad decisions and you can still find them likeable, people can be sensible and saintly and you can still dislike them. So far, I'm liking Raph. Currently in my Top 3.

[Amy Jade]

I love ring of fire!

So long as I don't get the last king :(

[Drew.]

you posted about it on here?

Ah some late night digging up of old posts, enjoyable

[Locke.]

What a beauty

http://i.imgur.com/7zeuqWr.jpg

[andybigbro]

Tbbh I doubt it's true. Yeah it might have happened once but he might have 'lied' to producers to gove a 'shocking' statement to get in. He has wanted in for years.

That's my theory :hee: otherwise... PLAYYYAAAAA

Lotan? Kieran? Tom? Who? I think we've found the real LAD of the house :joker:

[Jake.]

You were saying that I wouldn't of looked into anyone else as a HM like I have to Raph. I wasn't comparing it to what raph did, I was comparing it to how I looked into raph.

That makes no sense

The one other housemate you've "looked into" as much was Andrew who'd had a video posted online of him whipping his girlfriend/homophobic tweets shared

Vs Raph who had the fact he cheated on his girlfriends in the past revealed in a task on the show

[T*]

I can't @ thinking about if his tears were fake and if this was gameplay snowballed into this
I haven't been the one attacking people, btw, I was arguing my point, yet I've been called unbearable and basically baited me with **** like coach trip (:umm2:) literally all because I criticised raph. What the ****. By people I would consider to be well rounded and mature, but within a blink of an eye they've ruined that image. And yet people are being accused of waiting to criticise raph at any given chance but on the other side they are literally doing the same god damn thing and waiting for anyone to criticise raph so they can jump down their throats. Maybe people want to watch the series like a normal god damn series. Grow the **** up.

[Jack_]

Then poor you and you're negative view of tibb and its lovely people.

http://rs285.pbsrc.com/albums/ll73/Alipius/MrBean.gif~c200

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Ah some late night digging up of old posts, enjoyable

i haven't been digging up any posts :umm2:

i just remembered when it was because lucas mentioned HOL and i remember we had a barny when that was on so get rekt! http://www.dawgshed.com/images/smilies/owneddancekm3.gif

[Jake.]

I can't @ thinking about if his tears were fake and if this was gameplay snowballed into this
I haven't been the one attacking people, btw, I was arguing my point, yet I've been called unbearable and basically baited me with **** like coach trip (:umm2:) literally all because I criticised raph. What the ****. By people I would consider to be well rounded and mature, but within a blink of an eye they've ruined that image. And yet people are being accused of waiting to criticise raph at any given chance but on the other side they are literally doing the same god damn thing and waiting for anyone to criticise raph so they can jump down their throats. Maybe people want to watch the series like a normal god damn series. Grow the **** up.

Good for you.

(Wasn't meant in a snarky way!!!)

[T*]

That makes no sense

The one other housemate you've "looked into" as much was Andrew who'd had a video posted online of him whipping his girlfriend/homophobic tweets shared

Vs Raph who had the fact he cheated on his girlfriends in the past revealed in a task on the show

If you can't tell by now I'm talking about how MUCH, or the level ive looked into both housemates like the things they've said, etc. FFS Im not comparing Raph saying his cheating story with Andrew beating the **** out of someone.

[Locke.]

I can't @ thinking about if his tears were fake and if this was gameplay snowballed into this
I haven't been the one attacking people, btw, I was arguing my point, yet I've been called unbearable and basically baited me with **** like coach trip (:umm2:) literally all because I criticised raph. What the ****. By people I would consider to be well rounded and mature, but within a blink of an eye they've ruined that image. And yet people are being accused of waiting to criticise raph at any given chance but on the other side they are literally doing the same god damn thing and waiting for anyone to criticise raph so they can jump down their throats. Maybe people want to watch the series like a normal god damn series. Grow the **** up.

Dear diary

[Merry Mockmas]

I wonder what Raph will think of this when he comes out?:joker:

[T*]

Good for you.

(Wasn't meant in a snarky way!!!)

Lmfao, how genius :)

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Dear diary

this is a slur

[Ross.]

What if Raph doesn't come back to the forum

[Jake.]

If you can't tell by now I'm talking about how MUCH, or the level ive looked into both housemates like the things they've said, etc. FFS Im not comparing Raph saying his cheating story with Andrew beating the **** out of someone.

How have you even "looked into" anything with Raph though? I actually don't get it?

[Marsh.]

Hmmm, maybe you are right, but I just don't see it the same way.
When we were at school we all knew who was going with who, maybe the schools in America are bigger, or they didn't all go to the same school:shrug:
Well when people cheat I imagine they are a little more subtle than broadcasting it to everyone.

Also I imagine most people have separate people they know. Like I had a friendship group in school and people I knew from where I lived and there wasn't much overlap between the two groups.

[Jake.]

Lmfao, how genius :)

Almost as if you don't like it when it's on the other foot

[Drew.]

I can't @ thinking about if his tears were fake and if this was gameplay snowballed into this
I haven't been the one attacking people, btw, I was arguing my point, yet I've been called unbearable and basically baited me with **** like coach trip (:umm2:) literally all because I criticised raph. What the ****. By people I would consider to be well rounded and mature, but within a blink of an eye they've ruined that image. And yet people are being accused of waiting to criticise raph at any given chance but on the other side they are literally doing the same god damn thing and waiting for anyone to criticise raph so they can jump down their throats. Maybe people want to watch the series like a normal god damn series. Grow the **** up.

Lol, you actually think any of us are enjoying this? The forum has become a chore to post on because of all of this.

You're failing to grasp onto the fact Raph isn't an ordinary housemate to some of us and it's going to be natural for some members to defend him.

[Black Dagger]

i haven't been digging up any posts :umm2:

i just remembered when it was because lucas mentioned HOL and i remember we had a barny when that was on so get rekt! http://www.dawgshed.com/images/smilies/owneddancekm3.gif

Welp I remember our argument lool

[Lostie!]

What if Raph doesn't come back to the forum

Either get involved in the drama for once or piss off.

TAKE SIDES AND BE A WOMAN!!

[T*]

How have you even "looked into" anything with Raph though? I actually don't get it?
As in looking into what he said in his VT compared to how he's acting in the house, deliberating if it was part of his gameplan or not FFS :facepalm:
jfc

[Jake.]

Literally if one of Tom's forum pals got on BB he'd be doing exactly the same, as would anyone

[Ross.]

Either get involved in the drama for once or piss off.

TAKE SIDES AND BE A WOMAN!!

:joker:

[Shaun]

YEAH SERIAL CHEATS

https://m.popkey.co/4127ad/DeYwq.gif

[reece(:]

As in looking into what he said in his VT compared to how he's acting in the house, deliberating if it was part of his gameplan or not FFS :facepalm:
jfc

Chris BB15 and Nick BB16 were both criticised exactly for this too

[Marsh.]

Yep. All of a sudden VT's and what is said in them is the be all and end all when most HM's push a bit of controversy to get themselves in there.
I don't know who Raph is, I'm usually just here on - season and I can't remember ever coming across him so I'm unbiased. People can make mistakes and bad decisions and you can still find them likeable, people can be sensible and saintly and you can still dislike them. So far, I'm liking Raph. Currently in my Top 3.
"All of a sudden"

Yeah because VTs are never analysed in the first week EVER.

they've also never caused huge grief when played into the house partway through the series.

[Jake.]

As in looking into what he said in his VT compared to how he's acting in the house, deliberating if it was part of his gameplan or not FFS :facepalm:
jfc

I think you're paying too much attention into a one minute clip

[Jake.]

Either get involved in the drama for once or piss off.

TAKE SIDES AND BE A WOMAN!!

:joker:

[Marsh.]

Ah some late night digging up of old posts, enjoyable
No?

Scott mentioned COL from 2015.
You said you've met him more recently than that. So within the last two years and a professional investigation was not needed.

[Brother Leon]

I can't believe some people on here are defending their forum buddy that they have met in real life.


You disgust me and should be ashamed.

[Amy Jade]

Chris BB15 and Nick BB16 were both criticised exactly for this too

Nobody off the forum had met them twice though so that was ok

[Jake.]

"All of a sudden"

Yeah because VTs are never analysed in the first week EVER.

they've also never caused huge grief when played into the house partway through the series.

But is it not obvious that Raph would have said anything to get into the show, given how much he's wanted to be on it for years?

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

No?

Scott mentioned COL from 2015.
You said you've met him more recently than that. So within the last two years and a professional investigation was not needed.

http://i.imgur.com/VknT16L.jpg

[Drew.]

No?

Scott mentioned COL from 2015.
You said you've met him more recently than that. So within the last two years and a professional investigation was not needed.

Appreciate the effort you've put into repeating Scotts post

[T*]

Lol, you actually think any of us are enjoying this? The forum has become a chore to post on because of all of this.

You're failing to grasp onto the fact Raph isn't an ordinary housemate to some of us and it's going to be natural for some members to defend him.

The forum has become a chore because of you lot too :umm2: I have grasped that it's your friend so it's natural for you to defend him but ffs you don't have to do it with every little criticism he gets. It's natural for some of us to just treat him like another housemate rather than a member on this forum and you have to respect that too. Two way street.

[Marsh.]

What if Raph doesn't come back to the forum
COL to close down?

[T*]

Chris BB15 and Nick BB16 were both criticised exactly for this too

THIS

[Mitchell]

What if Raph doesn't come back to the forum

I wouldn't really blame him tbh, although if I was in the house I'd deffo return to this forum for attention

[Marsh.]

But is it not obvious that Raph would have said anything to get into the show, given how much he's wanted to be on it for years?
Yes.... but he's also admitted to the cheating being a true fact so it's open for discussion.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

if drew admits that harry amelia is better than raph i'll do a charity skydive

[Drew.]

The forum has become a chore because of you lot too :umm2: I have grasped that it's your friend so it's natural for you to defend him but ffs you don't have to do it with every little criticism he gets. It's natural for some of us to just treat him like another housemate rather than a member on this forum and you have to respect that too. Two way street.

This is the first time i've defended him, and i do respect that he's a normal housemate and is there to be discussed, but thats not what all of this is really about is it

[Marsh.]

Appreciate the effort you've put into repeating Scotts post
"Reading and understanding English" = analysing.

If you say so pal.

[Peppermint]

The forum has become a chore because of you lot too :umm2: I have grasped that it's your friend so it's natural for you to defend him but ffs you don't have to do it with every little criticism he gets. It's natural for some of us to just treat him like another housemate rather than a member on this forum and you have to respect that too. Two way street.
Seems like some people are also finding every little thing possible to slate Raph for as well so this works both ways

[Jake.]

The forum has become a chore because of you lot too :umm2: I have grasped that it's your friend so it's natural for you to defend him but ffs you don't have to do it with every little criticism he gets. It's natural for some of us to just treat him like another housemate rather than a member on this forum and you have to respect that too. Two way street.

It's not even been "every little criticism" though

[Jake.]

Yes.... but he's also admitted to the cheating being a true fact so it's open for discussion.

And it's still open for discussion?

[Merry Mockmas]

I wouldn't really blame him tbh, although if I was in the house I'd deffo return to this forum for attention

Same here, argue on all the haters and then get permabanned for it more than likely.:joker:

[Drew.]

if drew admits that harry amelia is better than raph i'll do a charity skydive

which charity

[Marsh.]

And it's still open for discussion?
Pardon?

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

which charity

dogs trust

[T*]

It seems people aren't ****ing reading my posts correctly so I'm not going to give it my time of day anymore so I'm just going to ****ing bed bye

ENJOY YOURSELVES.

[Jake.]

dogs trust

Here for it but Harry was awful

[Drew.]

dogs trust

harry amelia was better, take tom with you

It seems people aren't ****ing reading my posts correctly so I'm not going to give it my time of day anymore so I'm just going to ****ing bed bye

ENJOY YOURSELVES.

gnight

[Jake.]

It seems people aren't ****ing reading my posts correctly so I'm not going to give it my time of day anymore so I'm just going to ****ing bed bye

ENJOY YOURSELVES.

Shame, felt like we were really getting somewhere

[Black Dagger]

It seems people aren't ****ing reading my posts correctly so I'm not going to give it my time of day anymore so I'm just going to ****ing bed bye

ENJOY YOURSELVES.

K night hun

[T*]

Shame, felt like we were really getting somewhere

do you have a fedora or

[Braden]

The forum has become a chore because of you lot too :umm2: I have grasped that it's your friend so it's natural for you to defend him but ffs you don't have to do it with every little criticism he gets. It's natural for some of us to just treat him like another housemate rather than a member on this forum and you have to respect that too. Two way street.

Not Raph being 'it'.

[Lostie!]

Not Raph being 'it'.

:laugh2:

[Jake.]

do you have a fedora or

I thought you'd left us to ENJOY OURSELVES

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

those braided/cotton thingy iphone charger cables are always stronger than the plastic ones

[Denver]

I dont get on with Tom but he has been treated appallingly tonight

[Mitchell]

This has been a thoroughly enjoying read, **** Raph, I want you lot in that house :love:

[jet]

"All of a sudden"

Yeah because VTs are never analysed in the first week EVER.

they've also never caused huge grief when played into the house partway through the series.

You think people still give credence to VT big talk? I didn't think anyone did anymore. :shrug:
It's usually not a good indicator at all of who will end up popular or otherwise.

[Marsh.]

do you have a fedora or
If that was a dig at me you can die.

[Marsh.]

You think people still give credence to VT big talk? I didn't think anyone did anymore. :shrug:
It's usually not a good indicator at all of who will end up popular or otherwise.
No but it's clearly a discussion topic in the first few days and always has been.

Nobody gives much credence to the show full stop but when discussing said show and its contestants it's one of the few things we have to go on at first until the storylines start and groups form. Especially in the days of zero live feed.

Besides which the topic of this thread is no longer a VT topic but made its way into the actual episode tonight so therefore... it will be discussed.

[Merry Mockmas]

I dont get on with Tom but he has been treated appallingly tonight

The whole thing has gone crazy tbf on both sides.

[jet]

No but it's clearly a discussion topic in the first few days and always has been.

Nobody gives much credence to the show full stop but when discussing said show and its contestants it's one of the few things we have to go on at first until the storylines start and groups form. Especially in the days of zero live feed.

Besides which the topic of this thread is no longer a VT topic but made its way into the actual episode tonight so therefore... it will be discussed.

Oh right. I usually don't bother coming here until it's been going a week or two.
Just popped in to see how our first tibb member in the house was faring on here. Oh boy, this is going to be a season to remember...:laugh:

[Marsh.]

Oh right. I usually don't bother coming here until it's been going a week or two.
Just popped in to see how our first tibb member in the house was faring on here. Oh boy, this is going to be a season to remember...:laugh:

I don't want to witness it. :worry:

[Ninastar]

Okay now that I've watched the episode, I will give my opinion.

Yes, I can see why people thought this was fake. It doesn't look genuine and you don't ever see tears on this show anyway. However, I know for a fact (through having a heart to heart with raph lol) that he truly does feel awful about this. I know that people will struggle to see it like that but I also know this thread was made just to cause arguments/ a scene/ w.e.

It's difficult to see people so happy to slate raph and knowing they are doing it to piss his friends off, but there's nothing that can be done about that really. And yeah, I know some people genuinely aren't liking what they are seeing, but a good majority are totally enjoying the fact that they can slate/hate/bitch about him, just because he's a housemate.

[Peppermint]

Just watched this and I'm struggling to see where anybody was 'applauding' the fact he cheated. :unsure:

Just because you defend or even support a housemate doesn't mean you have to agree with everything they say/do, on the show or in their past.

[Babayaro.]

Here for Raph winning. The fumes would be a delight! :) x

[Candy Annie Cane]

Wow...This is going to be a tough season. Every year we have threads where people defend their faves and people who don't like them critise them. This is no different but it seems that people who have met raph are being accused of only defending him because they've met him but surely that is more of a reason to defend someone than just because they like them off the show??? I've not seen anyone saying he is above criticism and therefore no one is trying to shut anyone down.

[Amy Jade]

Just watched this and I'm struggling to see where anybody was 'applauding' the fact he cheated. :unsure:

Just because you defend or even support a housemate doesn't mean you have to agree with everything they say/do, on the show or in their past.

You watched but didn't see the housemates applaude it?

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

I like him. I think he's sweet. We all make mistakes when we're young. I'm even guilty of cheating myself in the past. I was very young at the time. I regret it now, but i can't change the past.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Yeh.. I presumed they werent really meaningful relationships.. like hes gay.. how far can he literally go with a girl? But perhaps im wrong, maybe they were meaningful. Guess id need more info.

people have been married for years and had kids and the whole lot and were gay though

Obviously that probably doesn't apply here as Raph is pretty young I'm sure that his relationships weren't that serious, i was more replying generally to whether it's better if your partner cheats with a man or woman.

Anyway either way it's not nice to be cheated on, just because a person turns out to be gay doesn't make it feel any better for the cheated on person

[chuff me dizzy]

Perched for tibb to overlook it when if it was Lotan or Tom they would be baying for blood

https://68.media.tumblr.com/2ead3a3991ea11c782538a9ab7ef2df3/tumblr_onmeortEeA1uc6xbco3_400.gif

:clap1:

[Peppermint]

You watched but didn't see the housemates applaude it?
Pretty sure they were applauding how he spoke straight up about it rather than the actual action

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Pretty sure they were applauding how he spoke straight up about it rather than the actual action

Yes, they applauded his honesty.

[LukeB]

Pretty sure they were applauding how he spoke straight up about it rather than the actual action

This. I admire him being honest and he could have bragged about it but he didnt and hasnt. Some cheaters brag and laugh about it and raph hasn't done that

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

This. I admire him being honest and he could have bragged about it but he didnt and hasnt. Some cheaters brag and laugh about it and raph hasn't done that

He could have denied it or try to justify it, but he didn't.

[chuff me dizzy]

He went right in for the pity vote with the fake tears,hopefully they saw through it as we did

[AarynGriesfan]

He went right in for the pity vote with the fake tears,hopefully they saw through it as we did

:clap1::clap1:

[Amy Jade]

Pretty sure they were applauding how he spoke straight up about it rather than the actual action

Yes...and some of us apparently got how ironic applauding a cheater for being honest is. Some not so much.

[Amy Jade]

This. I admire him being honest and he could have bragged about it but he didnt and hasnt. Some cheaters brag and laugh about it and raph hasn't done that

He could have denied it or try to justify it, but he didn't.

Well he used it as a way to get on the show so he musn't be too shy about it. Furthermore for a guy who claims not to like human interaction he doesn't half like putting it about.

His tears were clearly put on to try and manipulate people into thinking he is remorseful when all he cares about is how the public view him.

[Gusto Brunt]

Yeah he cheated time and time again. :clap1: :clap1:


:joker:

[Candy Annie Cane]

people have been married for years and had kids and the whole lot and were gay though

Obviously that probably doesn't apply here as Raph is pretty young I'm sure that his relationships weren't that serious, i was more replying generally to whether it's better if your partner cheats with a man or woman.

Anyway either way it's not nice to be cheated on, just because a person turns out to be gay doesn't make it feel any better for the cheated on person

Pretty much agree with all of this. I personally would probably react worse if the person who cheated on me was gay, I would feel that I should have known, feel guilty that they have been trying to live a lie and then cope with the fact they have cheated too.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Pretty much agree with all of this. I personally would probably react worse if the person who cheated on me was gay, I would feel that I should have known, feel guilty that they have been trying to live a lie and then cope with the fact they have cheated too.

Yeah same here.

[Parmy]

What a rather despicable character..he has no chance.:cheer2:

[jet]

I must say I wasn't expecting this reaction from a lot of people to Raph (who I don't know at all) being in the house. My thoughts were that though we will criticise him if he behaves badly, he is still sort of 'family' and by and large we'll be in his corner.
I'm finding the reaction towards him pretty vicious...I wonder if a little bit of jealousy is in play, not just that he got into the house, but also that he had the balls to do it...

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

I must say I wasn't expecting this reaction from a lot of people to Raph (who I don't know at all) being in the house. My thoughts were that though we will criticise him if he behaves badly, he is still sort of 'family' and by and large we'll be in his corner.
I'm finding the reaction towards him pretty vicious...I wonder if a little bit of jealousy is in play, not just that he got into the house, but also that he had the balls to do it...
:clap1:

[Cherry Christmas]

I must say I wasn't expecting this reaction from a lot of people to Raph (who I don't know at all) being in the house. My thoughts were that though we will criticise him if he behaves badly, he is still sort of 'family' and by and large we'll be in his corner.
I'm finding the reaction towards him pretty vicious...I wonder if a little bit of jealousy is in play, not just that he got into the house, but also that he had the balls to do it...

:clap2:

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

No one says that cheating is acceptable. But I for one appreciate his honesty. :)

[Jordan.]

I must say I wasn't expecting this reaction from a lot of people to Raph (who I don't know at all) being in the house. My thoughts were that though we will criticise him if he behaves badly, he is still sort of 'family' and by and large we'll be in his corner.
I'm finding the reaction towards him pretty vicious...I wonder if a little bit of jealousy is in play, not just that he got into the house, but also that he had the balls to do it...

A tad tragic to defend someone for cheating and be generally bias just because you post on the same website as them

[Parmy]

No one says that cheating is acceptable. But I for one appreciate his honesty. :)

Only once he was found out.:joker:

Ah good luck to the kid though.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Only once he was found out.:joker:

Ah good luck to the kid though.

He could have denied it or made excuses. I think it happened in high school, when he was very young. It's no excuse of course but we all make mistakes.

[Withano]

I must say I wasn't expecting this reaction from a lot of people to Raph (who I don't know at all) being in the house. My thoughts were that though we will criticise him if he behaves badly, he is still sort of 'family' and by and large we'll be in his corner.
I'm finding the reaction towards him pretty vicious...I wonder if a little bit of jealousy is in play, not just that he got into the house, but also that he had the balls to do it...

I agree actually. This isnt a normal reaction at all

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

No one is applauding the fact that he cheated. It was his honesty, Housemates appreciated it.

[Denver]

why would i be jealous of a cheat?

[LukeB]

No one says that cheating is acceptable. But I for one appreciate his honesty. :)

Yeah no one has said they found it acceptable or condone it, like no one went like yass raph :clap1: at his cheating or said king of cheating etc. none of that happened and will not happen. You can still support someone and not condone what they said or did, happens a lot on here and i'm not bothered about it. Nicola McLean said something vile towards Kim and i still supported her but didn't condone it and there was nothing wrong with that.

[Cherry Christmas]

I wouldn't really blame him tbh, although if I was in the house I'd deffo return to this forum for attention

Trust you :laugh:

A tad tragic to defend someone for cheating and be generally bias just because you post on the same website as them

Jeez he wasn't married with 2 kids, okay it's not nice but Im sure all those invoked have moved on.

He would have to do something pretty awful in there for me to criticise him

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Yeah no one has said they found it acceptable or condone it, like no one went like yass raph :clap1: at his cheating or said king of cheating etc. none of that happened and will not happen. You can still support someone and not condone what they said or did, happens a lot on here and i'm not bothered about it. Nicola McLean said something vile towards Kim and i still supported her but didn't condone it and there was nothing wrong with that.
Yes, we all make mistakes. No one is perfect.

[sampvt]

All part of his master plan, admit the cheating, break down, sucker sympathy then get a pat on the back fr being honest. He tries to make cheating sound normal. We all know different, well at least my generation does and we are the ones with marriages like mine 44 yrs plus and never cheated once, no need to as we think our partners dont deserve it. We dont operate or condone the new code of cheat and divorce like todays kids.

[Denver]

You all pretty much said it doesnt matter as he was young and it was women he cheated on

[jet]

A tad tragic to defend someone for cheating and be generally bias just because you post on the same website as them

I didn't say he should be defended for cheating, maybe you should read my post again.

[sampvt]

personally I think he is lying to gain an edge

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

personally I think he is lying to gain an edge

Could be, who knows? Maybe part of his game plan? :shrug:

[thesheriff443]

I can't believe it, what a sly boy.
Nothing i hate more than a cheater.
Cheated on everyone hes been with!!!

He wont cheat on you because he is out of,your league

[Jordan.]

He would have to do something pretty awful in there for me to criticise him

Why because you've posted words on a screen together? Get a grip you don't know this person any more than the rest of them.

[LukeB]

He would have to do something pretty awful in there for me to criticise him

Which will never happen so don't you worry. Raph is a really nice person and it's showing in the house too.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Which will never happen so don't you worry. Raph is a really nice person and it's showing in the house too.

He's lovely. So sweet and very genuine :love:

[Cherry Christmas]

Why because you've posted words on a screen together? Get a grip you don't know this person any more than the rest of them.

Get a grip? with all due respect someone posted a picture of Imran and Sukhvinder with the title WINNERs based on very little evidence :laugh: maybe you should be having a word with them about getting a grip.... I think its nice and a bit quirky that someone off the forum is on there, it wont happen again any time soon so I'm going to enjoy it even if you don't

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Get a grip? with all due respect someone posted a picture of Imran and Sukhvinder with the title WINNERs based on very little evidence :laugh: maybe you should be having a word with them about getting a grip.... I think its nice and a bit quirky that someone off the forum is on there, it wont happen again any time soon so I'm going to enjoy it even if you don't

I agree. Besides, a nice guy always gets my support

[sampvt]

game player = nice guy, i dont think so, he is too shifty and calculated for my liking

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

game player = nice guy, i dont think so, he is too shifty and calculated for my liking

A game player can be a nice guy. Like Aaron and Dexter for example.

[Denver]

Nice guys dont cheat on 4 different partners

[ChristmasNeeve]

Get a grip? with all due respect someone posted a picture of Imran and Sukhvinder with the title WINNERs based on very little evidence :laugh: maybe you should be having a word with them about getting a grip.... I think its nice and a bit quirky that someone off the forum is on there, it wont happen again any time soon so I'm going to enjoy it even if you don't

Indeed Cherie. I don't like the cheating stuff but as a member I like Raph, he's always been pleasant to deal with and it is cool having one of our own in there

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Indeed Cherie. I don't like the cheating stuff but as a member I like Raph, he's always been pleasant to deal with and it is cool having one of our own in there

:clap1:

[sampvt]

If he wasnt a forum member, would he be getting the same support, I dont think so

[ChristmasNeeve]

If he wasnt a forum member, would he be getting the same support, I dont think so

Of course he wouldn't but he is so.............

[chuff me dizzy]

All part of his master plan, admit the cheating, break down, sucker sympathy then get a pat on the back fr being honest. He tries to make cheating sound normal. We all know different, well at least my generation does and we are the ones with marriages like mine 44 yrs plus and never cheated once, no need to as we think our partners dont deserve it. We dont operate or condone the new code of cheat and divorce like todays kids.

Oh he knew exactly what he was doing ,he knew public and hm8s wouldn't like him cheating so out came the fake tears, few silly birds telling him it was ok ,and all smiles again ......Job done

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

He needs to keep his head down until after the eviction. Hope he manages to save himself.

[Drew.]

Get a grip? with all due respect someone posted a picture of Imran and Sukhvinder with the title WINNERs based on very little evidence :laugh: maybe you should be having a word with them about getting a grip.... I think its nice and a bit quirky that someone off the forum is on there, it wont happen again any time soon so I'm going to enjoy it even if you don't

I agree, i doubt it'll ever happen again either. It's definitely made me more invested in the series which probably wouldn't happen had he not gone in based off my first impressions of the rest of them.

[Jordan.]

Get a grip? with all due respect someone posted a picture of Imran and Sukhvinder with the title WINNERs based on very little evidence :laugh: maybe you should be having a word with them about getting a grip.... I think its nice and a bit quirky that someone off the forum is on there, it wont happen again any time soon so I'm going to enjoy it even if you don't

Glad you brought that first bit up actually because you went on and on complaining in that thread but here you are now doing the exact same thing championing someone you know nothing about in real life :joker:

[joeysteele]

Which will never happen so don't you worry. Raph is a really nice person and it's showing in the house too.

He is a great guy.
I admired his honesty anyway.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

He is a great guy.
I admired his honesty anyway.

Me too :)

[Amy Jade]

So now if anyone criticises him we are jealous? How is that even logical? There are 15 other people in there along with Raph am I jealous of Joe too because I criticised his reaction to Arthur?

Jesus christ some of you are making me cringe.

[chuff me dizzy]

So now if anyone criticises him we are jealous? How is that even logical? There are 15 other people in there along with Raph am I jealous of Joe too because I criticised his reaction to Arthur?

Jesus christ some of you are making me cringe.

Its vom inducing

[Marsh.]

He wont cheat on you because he is out of,your league
:joker:

[Marsh.]

I must say I wasn't expecting this reaction from a lot of people to Raph (who I don't know at all) being in the house. My thoughts were that though we will criticise him if he behaves badly, he is still sort of 'family' and by and large we'll be in his corner.
I'm finding the reaction towards him pretty vicious...I wonder if a little bit of jealousy is in play, not just that he got into the house, but also that he had the balls to do it...
Tbf. What I'm seeing is a fairly normal reaction to a BB housemate. As normal as fandom can get anyway.

The vicious part seems to be forum members against each other on here.

[Marsh.]

https://www.fm104.ie/getmedia/a31575ce-74c6-4c29-a32d-9dad55542997/adulturer.gif

[Cherry Christmas]

Glad you brought that first bit up actually because you went on and on complaining in that thread but here you are now doing the exact same thing championing someone you know nothing about in real life :joker:

Slight difference between someone posting a pic and someone who has been a regular on here for years and always about for BB :unsure: plus none of us know any of the HMs in real life apart from the Caravaners

[Cherry Christmas]

https://www.fm104.ie/getmedia/a31575ce-74c6-4c29-a32d-9dad55542997/adulturer.gif

:joker:

[T*]

https://www.fm104.ie/getmedia/a31575ce-74c6-4c29-a32d-9dad55542997/adulturer.gif

:joker::joker::joker::joker:

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

https://www.fm104.ie/getmedia/a31575ce-74c6-4c29-a32d-9dad55542997/adulturer.gif

Kim :love:

[Peppermint]

So now if anyone criticises him we are jealous? How is that even logical? There are 15 other people in there along with Raph am I jealous of Joe too because I criticised his reaction to Arthur?

Jesus christ some of you are making me cringe.
Think you're a bit jealous of Joe having that great complexion if I'm honest

[Marsh.]

Think you're a bit jealous of Joe having that great complexion if I'm honest
Amy Jade a spotty dotty? :omgno:

[Mitchell]

https://www.fm104.ie/getmedia/a31575ce-74c6-4c29-a32d-9dad55542997/adulturer.gif

Oh ffs :joker:

[Marsh.]

*slurs* he's an adulterer and two kiddies

[Amy Jade]

Think you're a bit jealous of Joe having that great complexion if I'm honest

Not sure why anyone would want to look like a shaved testicle.

[jet]

So now if anyone criticises him we are jealous? How is that even logical? There are 15 other people in there along with Raph am I jealous of Joe too because I criticised his reaction to Arthur?

Jesus christ some of you are making me cringe.

No, it is fair enough obviously to criticise him for cheating, but the tone of some posts go way beyond fair criticism, imo.
Not yours though from what I have read.

[Morgan.]

I agree that some people take the criticism way out of hand and more than they would usually for a housemat when only 3 days in but then I understand that he is a normal housemate and should be treated like one.

[Morgan.]

I personally love Raph and ink he deserves a chance considering he is one of of, if not the only, superman in the house.

[Captain.Remy]

Some people have commitment issues. Never judge until we don't know the full story.
Maybe he has deeper issues that explains his behaviour that he might tell later on?