Applauding a serial cheat

[reece(:]

This moment was unintentionally a mess :joker::joker::joker:

[Jordan.]

Perched for tibb to overlook it when if it was Lotan or Tom they would be baying for blood

https://68.media.tumblr.com/2ead3a3991ea11c782538a9ab7ef2df3/tumblr_onmeortEeA1uc6xbco3_400.gif

[Denver]

Imagine making a big deal about telling producers then (fake) cry when it is revealed

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Perched for tibb to overlook it when if it was Lotan or Tom they would be baying for blood

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[Ross.]

This moment was unintentionally a mess :joker::joker::joker:

:joker::joker:

[Shaun]

perched for jordan to carry on pretending he isn't letting tibb prejudices cloud his judgment bc he's really edgy [gif]

[UserSince2005]

I can't believe it, what a sly boy.
Nothing i hate more than a cheater.
Cheated on everyone hes been with!!!

[T*]

Perched for tibb to overlook it when if it was Lotan or Tom they would be baying for blood

https://68.media.tumblr.com/2ead3a3991ea11c782538a9ab7ef2df3/tumblr_onmeortEeA1uc6xbco3_400.gif

This tea is burning me

[LukeB]

perched for jordan to carry on pretending he isn't letting tibb prejudices cloud his judgment bc he's really edgy [gif]

:joker:

[Jordan.]

perched for jordan to carry on pretending he isn't letting tibb prejudices cloud his judgment bc he's really edgy [gif]

Whoa you mad cause someone you spend 2 days in a musty caravan with just got exposed huh

[Shaun]

Whoa you mad cause someone you spend 2 days in a musty caravan with just got exposed huh

just pointing out you're desperate to be different and it's quite sad.

[Jake.]

just pointing out you're desperate to be different and it's quite sad.

Setting trends since 2009!

[Jordan.]

just pointing out you're desperate to be different and it's quite sad.

Let's take a moment to calm down and stick to discussing housemates :pat:

[Oliver_W]

Weren't most of them highschool "relationships"? They don't really count, so who cares? Especially as he was working out his gayness.

[Amy Jade]

Perched for tibb to overlook it when if it was Lotan or Tom they would be baying for blood

https://68.media.tumblr.com/2ead3a3991ea11c782538a9ab7ef2df3/tumblr_onmeortEeA1uc6xbco3_400.gif

this is so true.

[Samm]

http://i.imgur.com/hteCTWc.gif

[Shaun]

Let's take a moment to calm down and stick to discussing housemates :pat:

didn't understand that without a tired gif after it, sorry

[Denver]

just pointing out you're desperate to be different and it's quite sad.

He is a housemate you cant get personal everytime someone calls him out

[Braden]

Raph channeling BB16's Jade and her polyamorous lifestyle. Life imitiating art, imitating life.

[Jordan.]

this is so true.

It would seem

https://uploadir.com/u/nxuabgzi

[Jordan.]

He is a housemate you cant get personal everytime someone calls him out

:clap1:

[Black Dagger]

He has always seemed remorseful of it. I remember very well about our heart to heart about it in that lovely caravan x

[Ross.]

Raph channeling BB16's Jade and her polyamorous lifestyle. Life imitiating art, imitating life.

Raph's ARTPOP could mean anything

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Raph channeling BB16's Jade and her polyamorous lifestyle. Life imitiating art, imitating life.

:joker:

[Alf]

Nice one Raph, every holes a goal son.

[Amy Jade]

Nice one Raph, every holes a goal son.

He seems more of a bottom to me :think:

[Daniel.]

It's not gonna be fair discussing BB when Raph's friends get defensive every time someone makes a comment about him :/

[Lostie!]

He is a housemate you cant get personal everytime someone calls him out

Pretty sure making barbed comments about his supporters on here is personal too :think:

[Moosething]

Perched for tibb to overlook it when if it was Lotan or Tom they would be baying for blood

https://68.media.tumblr.com/2ead3a3991ea11c782538a9ab7ef2df3/tumblr_onmeortEeA1uc6xbco3_400.gif

Where's the lie tho

[TomC]

Raph's ARTPOP could mean anything

:joker:

[Denver]

Pretty sure making barbed comments about his supporters on here is personal too :think:

But it is true TIBB slag fake criers of till the end of the earth but soon as it is one of their own they can do no wrong

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

We all made mistakes when we were young. I made a lot myself, so I can't judge.

[TomC]

It's not gonna be fair discussing BB when Raph's friends get defensive every time someone makes a comment about him :/

:clap1:

[Jake.]

It's not gonna be fair discussing BB when Raph's friends get defensive every time someone makes a comment about him :/

it is literally the same as someone saying "i hated Bea" and you replying "she was a queennn <3333"

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Raph's ARTPOP could mean anything

sfgddgddhgb

[Daniel.]

it is literally the same as someone saying "i hated Bea" and you replying "she was a queennn <3333"

Well no because I'm not friends with Bea so I'm not basing it on knowing her before?

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

it is literally the same as someone saying "i hated Bea" and you replying "she was a queennn <3333"

this is solid fact though

[Marc]

I get Raph has friends on here and maybe he's decent but on the show he's not looked good, instead he has come across a bit of a tool with his VT. can't blame the public for not warming to him.

[Firewire]

Yeah the whole applauding thing was a bit of a mess

I hope he feels remorseful for it because it's a pretty ****ty thing to do once, never mind four (or more) times

[armand.kay]

755522780397989888

[smudgie]

Sounds more like young people enjoying themselves.:shrug:
You can't cheat unless you make a commitment of some sort, not that I have any clue if they had or not.

[Jake.]

Well no because I'm not friends with Bea so I'm not basing it on knowing her before?

Right, but it's still you supporting someone and somebody else disagreeing

[Ant.]

I mean tbh I'd pay Raph the £100k if it meant he'd cheat on me

[Daniel.]

Right, but it's still you supporting someone and somebody else disagreeing

But you lot are being bias because you knew him before, I bet you wouldn't defend if you hadn't met him, and it's making BB annoying to discuss because it's like walking on eggshells

[Amy Jade]

Sounds more like young people enjoying themselves.:shrug:
You can't cheat unless you make a commitment of some sort, not that I have any clue if they had or not.

I bet the three girls and the guy he cheated on had a great time! Nothing more fun than your boyfriend cheating on you.

[reece(:]

Sounds more like young people enjoying themselves.:shrug:

There's no enjoyment in a relationship with cheating :shrug:

[Withano]

I dont know the answer to this question, but is cheating out of sexuality exploration as bad as cheating out of being slutty? I'm leaning towards no.

[Merry Mockmas]

Perched for tibb to overlook it when if it was Lotan or Tom they would be baying for blood

https://68.media.tumblr.com/2ead3a3991ea11c782538a9ab7ef2df3/tumblr_onmeortEeA1uc6xbco3_400.gif

Lotan or Tom would actually be funny if they bragged about it in the task.

[Jake.]

But you lot are being bias because you knew him before, I bet you wouldn't defend if you hadn't met him, and it's making BB annoying to discuss because it's like walking on eggshells

And at the same time you're biased because you know it's him/you already dislike him so you're upping the hate

[Amy Jade]

But you lot are being bias because you knew him before, I bet you wouldn't defend if you hadn't met him, and it's making BB annoying to discuss because it's like walking on eggshells

Say what you want, Josy has said he is free to be discussed as a housemate.

[Denver]

I dont know the answer to this question, but is cheating out of sexuality exploration as bad as cheating out of being slutty? I'm leaning towards no.

Doesnt explain why he cheated on his bf with a guy

[Daniel.]

And at the same time you're biased because you know it's him/you already dislike him so you're upping the hate

I don't dislike him from the forum, but I am disliking him on the show and I will say if I want

[Drew.]

But you lot are being bias because you knew him before, I bet you wouldn't defend if you hadn't met him, and it's making BB annoying to discuss because it's like walking on eggshells

Imagine yourself in the same situation had one of your friends gone in, you'd be supporting him/her no matter what. None of us are applauding him for cheating though

[ChristmasNeeve]

I dont know the answer to this question, but is cheating out of sexuality exploration as bad as cheating out of being slutty? I'm leaning towards no.
I'm sure being cheated on feels the same regardless though. If you want to explore stay single :shrug:

[Withano]

Doesnt explain why he cheated on his bf with a guy

True lol. At least he seems remorseful, I guess.

[Amy Jade]

I dont know the answer to this question, but is cheating out of sexuality exploration as bad as cheating out of being slutty? I'm leaning towards no.

It still hurts to be cheated on, he could have explored when he was single.

[Jake.]

I don't dislike him from the forum, but I am disliking him on the show and I will say if I want

As will we all

If your pal was in there you'd be in the same position, it's luck of the draw

[Merry Mockmas]

It's not gonna be fair discussing BB when Raph's friends get defensive every time someone makes a comment about him :/

It does seem like some people want to bring him down on anything just because he is from TIBB.

No wonder not many Forum members ever try to get on BB.

[Locke.]

Hearing reports that Chanelle was the cheat and they edited it to make it look like Raph, can't believe they'd do this

[LukeB]

Imagine yourself in the same situation had one of your friends gone in, you'd be supporting him/her no matter what. None of us are applauding him for cheating though

This,there's nothing wrong with supporting friends. all of the housemates have friends who will support them so why is it different for Raph?

[Ant.]

I think they were probably applauding him for being honest. He could've easily just said "oh my partner was cheating so I cheated on revenge" or some bull**** lie, and he could've just not included the fact he cheated on his boyfriend

He was honest and put himself out there and the whole nation/all BOTS audience + 2 people watched and know that he's cheated, and that may affect future relationships (maybe not romantic, since he doesn't 'believe in love', but regardless he was under the impression the nation's gonna define him as a cheater)

[ChristmasNeeve]

Hearing reports that Chanelle was the cheat and they edited it to make it look like Raph, can't believe they'd do this
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[Black Dagger]

Hearing reports that Chanelle was the cheat and they edited it to make it look like Raph, can't believe they'd do this

Excuse me I dont lie

[Jordan.]

True lol. At least he seems remorseful, I guess.

He's feeling sorry for himself because he knows he will look bad to the hms & public. He should have been more careful what he was telling the producers to get a place in the house.

[Withano]

It still hurts to be cheated on, he could have explored when he was single.

It wouldnt hurt as much though right? Like girls would rather be cheated on by a gay guy with a man, than with a straight guy and a girl?

[ChristmasNeeve]

It wouldnt hurt as much though right? Like girls would rather be cheated on by a gay guy with a man, than with a straight guy and a girl?
Um no

[Marc]

It wouldnt hurt as much though right? Like girls would rather be cheated on by a gay guy with a man, than with a straight guy and a girl?

Not sure, still hurts I guess

[Braden]

Once is an instance, twice is a hobby.

I don't actually care that he did it tbh, but I'm just ****-stirring.

[Withano]

Um no

Oh lol. I would have thought it would be less of a blow. I've not been on either side.

[Lostie!]

But it is true TIBB slag fake criers of till the end of the earth but soon as it is one of their own they can do no wrong

What's also true is the fact that Raph is the only TiBBer in the house so all these bitchy comments about his friends on the site (and there's been a few) aren't really called for.

[EspeonBB]

Yeah the applause after was inappropriate (but in a funny way). I don't know the full story but cheating isn't something to be applauded imo

[reece(:]

Messy tho since wasn't Natalie on BBUS being condemned for allegedly cheating on James and called the devil incarnate etc

[Drew.]

He's feeling sorry for himself because he knows he will look bad to the hms & public. He should have been more careful what he was telling the producers to get a place in the house.

He was remorseful enough in the past without an audience

[Marsh.]

Weren't most of them highschool "relationships"? They don't really count, so who cares? Especially as he was working out his gayness.
We're not talking about mistakes though or cheating that was regretful. He said as much in his VT that monogamy is not his thing.

[reece(:]

Once is an instance, twice is a hobby.

I don't actually care that he did it tbh, but I'm just ****-stirring.

Rebecca to investigate?

[Denver]

What's also true is the fact that Raph is the only TiBBer in the house so all these bitchy comments about his friends on the site (and there's been a few) aren't really called for.

The only on es i saw are that they are biased

[LukeB]

The only on es i saw are that they are biased

you've spelt loyal wrong

[ChristmasNeeve]

Oh lol. I would have thought it would be less of a blow. I've not been on either side.
Well I havent either but besides the betrayal of being cheated on you could also be left thinking your whole relationship was a lie and your b/f was possibly repulsed everytime you did anything

[Jordan.]

He was remorseful enough in the past without an audience

Was this after the 3rd or 4th?

[Marsh.]

Raph's ARTPOP could mean anything
:joker:

[Firewire]

I don't dislike him from the forum, but I am disliking him on the show and I will say if I want

Now this is a bit of a lie isn't it

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Maybe he's polyamorous like Jade.

[Amy Jade]

It wouldnt hurt as much though right? Like girls would rather be cheated on by a gay guy with a man, than with a straight guy and a girl?

No. Being cheated on is horrific either way. I was a mess when I got cheated on, I blamed myself which in hindesight was so silly.

He must have very little humility if he can do that to a person 4 times.

[armand.kay]

Maybe he's polyamorous like Jade.

It's not really cheating when you have consent

[Marsh.]

it is literally the same as someone saying "i hated Bea" and you replying "she was a queennn <3333"
To be fair

*someone makes negative comment*
*someone makes positive comment*

Isn't the same as the personal jabs being thrown in this thread from both sides.

[Cherry Christmas]

Once is an instance, twice is a hobby.

I don't actually care that he did it tbh, but I'm just ****-stirring.

:laugh: a new side to you Braden

[smudgie]

Sounds more to me that he was playing the field, sowing his wild oats.
I don't know what is considered a girlfriend or boyfriend these days, do you go by how many dates you have?
I can understand the upset if you have been together a while and consider yourself a couple, but if you are just playing the field it's different.
I suppose it's a question of being honest about it.

[Amy Jade]

He was remorseful enough in the past without an audience

Clearly not as he cheated on four different people.

[Braden]

Raph's ARTPOP could mean anything

I want to find this funny but I don't get it :(

[Ant.]

Maybe he's polyamorous like Jade.

I hope Raph comments "aww, do the members of the forum not like me? :( :(" when he comes back in 50 days, £100k richer <3
https://33.media.tumblr.com/0c561e9f0b63fd4a14e6286c90aa69c4/tumblr_np74jzOncF1sfysqqo4_250.gif

[Denver]

He was remorseful enough in the past without an audience

A remorseful person wouldnt keep doing it

[Braden]

:laugh: a new side to you Braden

There are many sides to me that you're not aware of Cherie :hehe:

[Marsh.]

I dont know the answer to this question, but is cheating out of sexuality exploration as bad as cheating out of being slutty? I'm leaning towards no.
:umm2:

Yeah I'm sure the wife of a cheating husband would prefer to know her husband was testing out his ass in some new experiences with men than banging a lass. Makes the world of difference.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

I hope Raph comments "aww, do the members of the forum not like me? :( :(" when he comes back in 50 days, £100k richer <3
https://33.media.tumblr.com/0c561e9f0b63fd4a14e6286c90aa69c4/tumblr_np74jzOncF1sfysqqo4_250.gif
:joker:

[Denver]

I want to find this funny but I don't get it :(

I think it relates the the album being messy

[Cherry Christmas]

There are many sides to me that you're not aware of Cherie :hehe:

Liking this new side :love:

[LukeB]

I hope Raph comments "aww, do the members of the forum not like me? :( :(" when he comes back in 50 days, £100k richer <3
https://33.media.tumblr.com/0c561e9f0b63fd4a14e6286c90aa69c4/tumblr_np74jzOncF1sfysqqo4_250.gif

he's already won. He's on big brother and getting everyone talking and getting some people acting like hypocrites by pretending they are perfect when they have done worse especially on this forum.

[Drew.]

Clearly not as he cheated on four different people.

I don't condone it, but people feel remorse for all types of things, i don't know why cheating has to be excluded from it?

[Merry Mockmas]

I'm not saying that what Raph did was right, but I'm sure that he'd said something like this on here in the past and it wasn't blown into such an epic proportion like it is now.

It really does feel like some people are being trendy on here by disliking Raph to say "look I dislike someone on the show that posts on the same Forum as me" I mean we've got some shocking people in there and people want to carry on some sort of grievance with a chilled out dude who's a bit eccentric on certain issues, and isn't perfect on everything.

[Marsh.]

He was remorseful enough in the past without an audience
So remorseful he repeated the mistake in multiple relationships?

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

he's already won. He's on big brother and getting everyone talking and getting some people acting like hypocrites by pretending they are perfect when they have done worse especially on this forum.

:clap1:

[Withano]

No. Being cheated on is horrific either way. I was a mess when I got cheated on, I blamed myself which in hindesight was so silly.

He must have very little humility if he can do that to a person 4 times.

Yeh, cant be an accident if you do it more than once really.

It just sounds like hes tried to surpress his sexuality perhaps? But inevitably caved. And that does sound slightly less douchey than other reasons for cheating imo.

It does make him a bit douchey, especially considering he cheated on a man with a man.... but not as douchey as the average serial cheat from my perspective.

[Drew.]

So remorseful he repeated the mistake in multiple relationships?

Yes because i obviously meant he was remoseful and then went on to cheat again, but you make up and believe what you like :)

[Merry Mockmas]

Clearly not as he cheated on four different people.

It's a Human flaw that he has, overall I like that he feels like a Human Being.

[Daniel.]

he's already won. He's on big brother and getting everyone talking and getting some people acting like hypocrites by pretending they are perfect when they have done worse especially on this forum.

Who's done worse than cheat

[reece(:]

I'm not saying that what Raph did was right, but I'm sure that he'd said something like this on here in the past and it wasn't blown into such an epic proportion like it is now.

Tbf scrutiny is fair game when it's televised for the country to see

[Novo]

All was forgiven when he voted Trump, his sins have been revoked.

[Cherry Christmas]

he's already won. He's on big brother and getting everyone talking and getting some people acting like hypocrites by pretending they are perfect when they have done worse especially on this forum.

I agree just getting on there when he is such a fan makes him a winner, and it makes it s really interesting watch

[T*]

I'm not saying that what Raph did was right, but I'm sure that he'd said something like this on here in the past and it wasn't blown into such an epic proportion like it is now.

It really does feel like some people are being trendy on here by disliking Raph to say "look I dislike someone on the show that posts on the same Forum as me" I mean we've got some shocking people in there and people want to carry on some sort of grievance with a chilled out dude who's a bit eccentric on certain issues, and isn't perfect on everything.

This is ridiculous. 'Oh you don't like him, it's because you're trying to be edgy!!!'
not really, people are trying to have their opinions on him as a HM rather than having a bias by knowing him. Sorry.

[Amy Jade]

I don't condone it, but people feel remorse for all types of things, i don't know why cheating has to be excluded from it?

I'm not saying anyone is condoning his cheating but can you blame anyone for questioning how remorseful he is after he admitted he cheated on 4 partners?

Once is a mistake but 4 times? Nope.

[Marsh.]

I'm not saying that what Raph did was right, but I'm sure that he'd said something like this on here in the past and it wasn't blown into such an epic proportion like it is now.

It really does feel like some people are being trendy on here by disliking Raph to say "look I dislike someone on the show that posts on the same Forum as me" I mean we've got some shocking people in there and people want to carry on some sort of grievance with a chilled out dude who's a bit eccentric on certain issues, and isn't perfect on everything.

Because it wasn't a topic on an episode of the very TV show this forum was created to discuss? Whereas now... it is.

Shocking I know.

[reece(:]

This is ridiculous. 'Oh you don't like him, it's because you're trying to be edgy!!!'
not really, people are trying to have their opinions on him as a HM rather than having a bias by knowing him. Sorry.

If another HM was the one exposed, they would have been righteously scrutinised also.

[T*]

This is purely speculation (about him as a HM, not as a member) but on BOTS yesterday Raph was in the diary room talking about his gameplan and this was analysed by Trisha Goddard

What i'm thinking is perhaps these two events might be connected and it was Raph explaining that he was fake crying for his game and it wasn't shown or something and he was trying to do something similar to BBUS and BBCAN where after a game move they were explaining his strategy?

[ChristmasNeeve]

Yeh, cant be an accident if you do it more than once really.

It just sounds like hes tried to surpress his sexuality perhaps? But inevitably caved. And that does sound slightly less douchey than other reasons for cheating imo.

It does make him a bit douchey, especially considering he cheated on a man with a man.... but not as douchey as the average serial cheat from my perspective.
See that last paragraph is why its not better than being cheated on with another girl cos in your eyes the only time it was bad was when he cheated on a guy so the other relationships werent "real" but they would have been for the girls so thats an extra hurt to deal with

[Jordan.]

I'm not saying that what Raph did was right, but I'm sure that he'd said something like this on here in the past and it wasn't blown into such an epic proportion like it is now.

It really does feel like some people are being trendy on here by disliking Raph to say "look I dislike someone on the show that posts on the same Forum as me" I mean we've got some shocking people in there and people want to carry on some sort of grievance with a chilled out dude who's a bit eccentric on certain issues, and isn't perfect on everything.

Also take into account he isn't exactly liked by the public either. It's hardly trendy or edgy.

[Amy Jade]

It's a Human flaw that he has, overall I like that he feels like a Human Being.
You can like it. I will continue not to.

[Rustic bauble]

He's feeling sorry for himself because he knows he will look bad to the hms & public. He should have been more careful what he was telling the producers to get a place in the house.

I agree. He has obviously given this information to make good housemate material. He knows the show inside and out...don't tell me he didn't think this stuff would be exposed :shrug:
Then crying about it purely out of concern on how it will make him look is pathetic.
TIBB member or not...I will judge him like any other housemate. He is not dislikeable by any means...I don't really care about what he has done. But just stand up and say you regret it instead of crying for the sympathy vote. The most telling thing is that he really only cares about the way it portrays HIM and how it may ruin his chances of progressing in his beloved programme.

[LukeB]

Who's done worse than cheat

All i'm saying is twitter and ammi :hee:

[Merry Mockmas]

Tbf scrutiny is fair game when it's televised for the country to see

I just feel like some people will scrutinise Raph on here out of some sort of personal vendetta against him even if he said the Sky was blue.

I mean we've got some right twats in there, and people seem to think it's cool to go for Raph, I honestly don't get it as his a great Forum member on here, and his been a likable Housemate so far.

[Marsh.]

Yes because i obviously meant he was remoseful and then went on to cheat again, but you make up and believe what you like :)
I've not made anything up you're the one telling us what Raph thinks pal? :)

[Drew.]

I'm not saying anyone is condoning his cheating but can you blame anyone for questioning how remorseful he is after he admitted he cheated on 4 partners?

Once is a mistake but 4 times? Nope.

I don't blame anyone for questioning it, i just think it's a chance some people were waiting for to jump in to grill him

[T*]

If another HM was the one exposed, they would have been righteously scrutinised also.

I'm honestly just getting sick of feeling like walking on eggshells everytime I want to say something about him as a HM. Apparently it's 'overbearing' yet everytime the camera goes on him there's reams of posts about him. I get the excitement and everything, but the people saying criticism are apparently the overbearing ones. Hmm.

[Novo]

Also take into account he isn't exactly liked by the public either. It's hardly trendy or edgy.

Steady on Columbo, he hasn't faced a public vote yet

[Withano]

See that last paragraph is why its not better than being cheated on with another girl cos in your eyes the only time it was bad was when he cheated on a guy so the other relationships werent "real" but they would have been for the girls so thats an extra hurt to deal with

Yeh.. I presumed they werent really meaningful relationships.. like hes gay.. how far can he literally go with a girl? But perhaps im wrong, maybe they were meaningful. Guess id need more info.

[ChristmasNeeve]

All i'm saying is twitter and ammi :hee:
Drop it Luke

[Denver]

All i'm saying is twitter and ammi :hee:

So you are bringing up members pasts because you cant take criticism of your friend who is on national TV?

[Firewire]

Drop it Luke

Eh wait a minute

[reece(:]

I just feel like some people will scrutinise Raph on here out of some sort of personal vendetta against him even if he said the Sky was blue.

I mean we've got some right twats in there, and people seem to think it's cool to go for Raph, I honestly don't get it as his a great Forum member on here, and his been a likable Housemate so far.

I respect that he's a valuable member that has done a lot on the forum, and is pursuing his dream but that doesn't exempt one from criticism.

"The right twats" haven't acted up yet, when they do I'm sure they will be criticised all the same

[LukeB]

So you are bringing up members pasts because you cant take criticism of your friend who is on national TV?

i can take criticism but there's people who would jump the grill and act like they haven't done anything bad :hee:

[Merry Mockmas]

Who's done worse than cheat

People on here have called other member paedophiles in the past, and have wished Celebrities to die (I know jokingly) but over the years I've seen alot worse posted on here that the public would be horrified if they saw it (including from myself tbf) that Raph has never said.

[Daniel.]

All i'm saying is twitter and ammi :hee:

What have permanently banned members got to do with this

[Drew.]

I've not made anything up you're the one telling us what Raph thinks pal? :)

You couldn't give two ****s what i say about him lol, this is a free chance to take shots at him for you, i'll leave you to it though

[Jordan.]

All i'm saying is twitter and ammi :hee:

This was done by a permabanned member, not sure what relevance it has now

[Good King Glennceslas]

I'm pale now thanks mock

[Denver]

i can take criticism but there's people who would jump the grill and act like they haven't done anything bad :hee:

Most of us are judging him as we see him and that is how it should be we are discussing him as a housemate not a forum member

[Alf]

Just jealous of Raph getting plenty of pickle tickle?

Me too

[LukeB]

This was done by a permabanned member, not sure what relevance it has now

sure.jan

[Amy Jade]

I don't blame anyone for questioning it, i just think it's a chance some people were waiting for to jump in to grill him

I still support him personally as I like him as a person but as I have been cheated on and know how ****ty it made me feel I will grill him for it as I would any housemate.

Ask yourself if you would be defending any other housemate being grilled for being a serial cheat. I doubt it.

[Shaun]

See that last paragraph is why its not better than being cheated on with another girl cos in your eyes the only time it was bad was when he cheated on a guy so the other relationships werent "real" but they would have been for the girls so thats an extra hurt to deal with

Yeah I agree with this. It's all fine and well excusing it by saying he was only 16 or whatever but it was a conscious decision and became a habit, it seems.

I wouldn't defend what he did, and am a bit baffled by him mentioning it to producers and not expecting them to drop it in an icebreaker task. Thankfully the housemates will have bigger arguments and seemed (oddly) sympathetic to him for being honest.

Just think certain members have been sitting with their hand on the trigger ever since the fanclub was made and he was leaked as a housemate. Digging up posts about Mollie, about being sweety_samy, about COL, about his BBUSA favourites, whatever - so don't act like you're all just discussing him on the show when you've already had posts deleted for screenshotting completely irrelevant stuff to BB18.

[smudgie]

If Raph was living in the same area all the time he was cheating, surely the people he was sleeping around with would have known his reputation.
It's not like he is old enough to have been in long term relationships...or does he just look very young for his age?

[Merry Mockmas]

Because it wasn't a topic on an episode of the very TV show this forum was created to discuss? Whereas now... it is.

Shocking I know.

This Forum doesn't normally care about this sort of stuff to this extent, even when other Housemates have done **** like this.

It's a classic case of building Raph up and then knocking him down.

[Good King Glennceslas]

Yeah I agree with this. It's all fine and well excusing it by saying he was only 16 or whatever but it was a conscious decision and became a habit, it seems.

I wouldn't defend what he did, and am a bit baffled by him mentioning it to producers and not expecting them to drop it in an icebreaker task. Thankfully the housemates will have bigger arguments and seemed (oddly) sympathetic to him for being honest.

Just think certain members have been sitting with their hand on the trigger ever since the fanclub was made and he was leaked as a housemate. Digging up posts about Mollie, about being sweety_samy, about COL, about his BBUSA favourites, whatever - so don't act like you're all just discussing him on the show when you've already had posts deleted for screenshotting completely irrelevant stuff to BB18.

It's not even subtle either.

[Locke.]

If Raph was living in the same area all the time he was cheating, surely the people he was sleeping around with would have known his reputation.
It's not like he is old enough to have been in long term relationships...or does he just look very young for his age?

He moves around a lot, but I believe it was said that the 3 girlfriends he cheated on was during his high school days. He was young.

[Amy Jade]

If Raph was living in the same area all the time he was cheating, surely the people he was sleeping around with would have known his reputation.
It's not like he is old enough to have been in long term relationships...or does he just look very young for his age?

Yes lets blame the victims instead. Wow.

[Denver]

This Forum doesn't normally care about this sort of stuff to this extent, even when other Housemates have done **** like this.

It's a classic case of building Raph up and then knocking him down.

Cheats are the most hated type of housemate on here

[Marsh.]

You couldn't give two ****s what i say about him lol, this is a free chance to take shots at him for you, i'll leave you to it though
Eh? I knew nothing about him prior to BB beyond him being friends with Luke.

In fact if me and Raph even posted in the same thread at any time I'd be surprised.

But yeah. I've been waiting for free shots.. ... just because eh?

[smudgie]

He moves around a lot, but I believe it was said that the 3 girlfriends he cheated on was during his high school days. He was young.

So they probably knew he was just a player then, not in it for love ever after and all that.

[Drew.]

I still support him personally as I like him as a person but as I have been cheated on and know how ****ty it made me feel I will grill him for it as I would any housemate.

Ask yourself if you would be defending any other housemate being grilled for being a serial cheat. I doubt it.

Realistically i probably wouldn't, but i don't personally know any of the other housemates, i wouldn't know if they were being genuine saying things like they were remorseful, whereas i do in this situation

[armand.kay]

I just feel like some people will scrutinise Raph on here out of some sort of personal vendetta against him even if he said the Sky was blue.

I mean we've got some right twats in there, and people seem to think it's cool to go for Raph, I honestly don't get it as his a great Forum member on here, and his been a likable Housemate so far.

Tbf I've never had a problem with Raph on the forum, like I'm in his fan club now. But he did not come across well on todays show like I can't really see why some people are getting so defensive..

[EspeonBB]

So they probably knew he was just a player then, not in it for love ever after and all that.

This doesn't really excuse him cheating though

[Merry Mockmas]

Also take into account he isn't exactly liked by the public either. It's hardly trendy or edgy.

Tbf he does seem to have quite a bit of support on DS and Social Media, his in fact the very definition of controversial rather than unpopular.

And tbf they've mainly got it in their heads that his a Trump supporter rather than knowing what his actually like on here, or even judging him fully on the fact that he's just a normal guy who's playing a game in the house, his not being malicious.

[LukeB]

He moves around a lot, but I believe it was said that the 3 girlfriends he cheated on was during his high school days. He was young.

It was and that was years ago and you can regret and feel remorse years later (doesn't mean we condone it) you can make loads of mistakes when you are young.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

It was and that was years ago and you can regret and feel remorse years later (doesn't mean we condone it) you can make loads of mistakes when you are young.

Yes. We all make mistakes when we're young. No one is perfect.

[smudgie]

Yes lets blame the victims instead. Wow.

Maybe the second victim knew about the first victim..what would that make her then?
Just sounds like a load of young people having fun to me.
If they all lived in the same area it must have been a very large area for none of them to know what was going on.

[T*]

It was and that was years ago and you can regret and feel remorse years later (doesn't mean we condone it) you can make loads of mistakes when you are young.

girl he said he never felt guilty about anything though :(

[Denver]

I am sorry but the he was young so is allowed to cheat argument is bull****

[Firewire]

girl he said he never felt guilty about anything though :(

That's not true though is it

[Denver]

Maybe the second victim knew about the first victim..what would that make her then?
Just sounds like a load of young people having fun to me.
If they all lived in the same area it must have been a very large area for none of them to know what was going on.

People like to believe they learn from mistakes

[T*]

That's not true though is it

Idk, he said it, not me

[Jake.]

Thing is you can't expect people to fully take a step back and try and see him as a "standard" housemate.. He's always going to be "Raph from TiBB". I certainly don't condone cheating, but I don't condone looking for any excuse to jump on the bandwagon of hate either. As someone who's met him I can vouch for him being a great guy who has changed from those days. It's not like coming out is notorious for being a walk in the park either, is it?

[Jake.]

girl he said he never felt guilty about anything though :(

In his VT...

[smudgie]

This doesn't really excuse him cheating though

So are you saying he was the only one that knew he was playing the field at the time, nobody else in school knew who was doing who...hardly likely.:shrug:

[Merry Mockmas]

I respect that he's a valuable member that has done a lot on the forum, and is pursuing his dream but that doesn't exempt one from criticism.

"The right twats" haven't acted up yet, when they do I'm sure they will be criticised all the same

Tbf this wasn't exactly Raph's doing either, it was a task set out to humiliate alot of the Housemates and he used a tactic to try and save himself with the Housemates.

[Amy Jade]

Maybe the second victim knew about the first victim..what would that make her then?
Just sounds like a load of young people having fun to me.
If they all lived in the same area it must have been a very large area for none of them to know what was going on.
Still a victim as he cheated on her.

[Drew.]

girl he said he never felt guilty about anything though :(

Thats where the whole thing about people just waiting to take a dig at him comes into play, you're all ignoring the fact hes repeatedly said hes remorseful to us just so you can keep this up

[Marsh.]

So are you saying he was the only one that knew he was playing the field at the time, nobody else in school knew who was doing who...hardly likely.:shrug:
Sorry but what's this got to do with anything? [emoji23]

[Denver]

Thats where the whole thing about people just waiting to take a dig at him comes into play, you're all ignoring the fact hes repeatedly said hes remorseful to us just so you can keep this up
So we are meant to take his friends words for it?

[Merry Mockmas]

I'm pale now thanks mock

I didn't mean to single you out on anything if I have.:laugh:

[Drew.]

So we are meant to take his friends words for it?

It's the most reliable stuff you'll get

[Jason.]

Not the "young" excuse being thrown around when polyamorous Jade was branded a slut when she was only a year older than Raph :nono:

[armand.kay]

Thing is you can't expect people to fully take a step back and try and see him as a "standard" housemate.. He's always going to be "Raph from TiBB". I certainly don't condone cheating, but I don't condone looking for any excuse to jump on the bandwagon of hate either. As someone who's met him I can vouch for him being a great guy who has changed from those days. It's not like coming out is notorious for being a walk in the park either, is it?

I feel like him being a member hasn't made as much of a difference as people are making out. The members who seem not like him very much don't tend to support housemates like him.

[smudgie]

People like to believe they learn from mistakes

Maybe at the time he didn't think of it as a mistake, or hurting anyone, then as you grow up you mature and see things differently.
I am only playing devils advocate here, I don't know Raph, all I know is he is young and I like what I see of his personality on BB.

[T*]

Thats where the whole thing about people just waiting to take a dig at him comes into play, you're all ignoring the fact hes repeatedly said hes remorseful to us just so you can keep this up

not really? If you were a viewer that didn't look at this forum then you'd be thinking 'is this the real him in the house? Or is it part of his gameplay because it's not what he said in his VT...'

[Denver]

It's the most reliable stuff you'll get

I will wait till he admits in national TV until then it is hearsay

[Jake.]

I feel like him being a member hasn't made as much of a difference as people are making out. The members who seem not like him very much don't tend to support housemates like him.

But the members who don't like him very much are waiting on the edges of their seats for him to slip up because it's Raph

[smudgie]

Still a victim as he cheated on her.

Hmmm, but she would be as guilty as him, sleeping with someone else's boyfriend.

[Jake.]

I will wait till he admits in national TV until then it is hearsay

I'm sure Raph's first priority when he leaves will be to win you round

[Firewire]

People are really taking this seriously aren't they

[Merry Mockmas]

Cheats are the most hated type of housemate on here

Argumentative people are normally the most hated across the BB fandom, unless they've got something else going on to stop that from happening.

Cheats normally don't hit TIBB's radar as much as it's conveniently done here.

The only ones I understand having this reaction are people like Amy Jade who has been on the receiving end of this, otherwise it feels out of character to me with how this Forum usually feels.

[Mitchell]

Cheats are the most hated type of housemate on here

Weren't you stanning Jeremy and Steph?

[Locke.]

not really? If you were a viewer that didn't look at this forum then you'd be thinking 'is this the real him in the house? Or is it part of his gameplay because it's not what he said in his VT...'

Luckily for you you are on this forum and get some extra insight into how much Raph regrets it then. Sorted.

[Amy Jade]

Thats where the whole thing about people just waiting to take a dig at him comes into play, you're all ignoring the fact hes repeatedly said hes remorseful to us just so you can keep this up

He said he lies in his VT though.

Questioning the realness of him being 'remorseful' in the wake of that is what this forum is all about, why shouldn't we be allowed to discuss if his tears were real or his remorse was genuine or part of a game plan?

He put himself up for our judgement. He is a self proclaimed super fan and must have known he would be heavily talked about.

[T*]

Luckily for you you are on this forum and get some extra insight into how much Raph regrets it then. Sorted.

Why use it as a point in your VT if you regret it so much then...

[Marsh.]

Hmmm, but she would be as guilty as him, sleeping with someone else's boyfriend.
Wha

[Jake.]

Why use it as a point in your VT if you regret it so much then...

To get in?

[Headie]

People are really taking this seriously aren't they

It's only a gameshow!

[Amy Jade]

Hmmm, but she would be as guilty as him, sleeping with someone else's boyfriend.

Nope not at all. He was the one with commitments.

[Merry Mockmas]

Not the "young" excuse being thrown around when polyamorous Jade was branded a slut when she was only a year older than Raph :nono:

Jade's alot more unlikable than Raph.

[Drew.]

He said he lies in his VT though.

Questioning the realness of him being 'remorseful' in the wake of that is what this forum is all about, why shouldn't we be allowed to discuss if his tears were real or his remorse was genuine or part of a game plan?

He put himself up for our judgement. He is a self proclaimed super fan and must have known he would be heavily talked about.

Crack on tbh, we're just gonna go round in circles all series

[Locke.]

Why use it as a point in your VT if you regret it so much then...

Because he thought it would make his dream of getting on Big Brother more likely, and he was right

[Jason.]

Jade's alot more unlikable than Raph.

I don't think it works that way

[Marsh.]

This Forum doesn't normally care about this sort of stuff to this extent, even when other Housemates have done **** like this.

It's a classic case of building Raph up and then knocking him down.
Yes they do. In fact most recent series have bloody been built around it.

Jeremy and Steph as a big example. Let's not pretend we haven't had debates like this about 1000 housemates before.

[Mitchell]

I know of Raph from being on here, nowhere near as well as other members, in the past I've disagreed with a lot of his posts, in the past I've agreed with a lot of his posts, but the housemate I'm seeing on the show is someone who is a decent person, if we shouldn't judge Tom on tweets from a year ago I don't see why we should judge Raph on mistakes made years ago when he was a teenager?

I'm happy that he's got to be on the show and has been able to achieve his dream, good on him for putting himself on a platform to be judged by the public who quite frankly can be absolute *****

[T*]

To get in?

then don't get surprised when people are confused and wondering if he was using tears and remorse as a part of his gameplan?? we're listening to his words and how he portrays himself in the show?
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/ba/fa/2b/bafa2b8971cbaf11f7ad6d0bcf8c2007.gif

[Merry Mockmas]

I don't think it works that way

Likability (rightly or wrongly) does play it's part on how severe the reaction will be on the same scenario.

And also Jade was changing relationships in the house where as Raph is Showmance free so far.

[Marsh.]

So basically "Raph does something not very nice or says something not very nice which causes a debate on the forum like most other housemates and we'll get 'I was with him in a caravan I know him better."

WHAT a fun on season. :/

[Denver]

I'm sure Raph's first priority when he leaves will be to win you round

this is why people feel they cant say anything negative about him

[Jake.]

then don't get surprised when people are confused and wondering if he was using tears and remorse as a part of his gameplan?? we're listening to his words and how he portrays himself in the show?
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/ba/fa/2b/bafa2b8971cbaf11f7ad6d0bcf8c2007.gif

When have I claimed to have been surprised?

[Locke.]

this is why people feel they cant say anything negative about him

People clearly don't think that because it's all they've done all night

[Merry Mockmas]

Yes they do. In fact most recent series have bloody been built around it.

Jeremy and Steph as a big example. Let's not pretend we haven't had debates like this about 1000 housemates before.

I remember people's reactions that series and Jeremy had almost nobody talking about him he was that dull, and Stephanie was hailed as some sort of bullied victim on here and was forgiven because of being bullied.

[Jake.]

People clearly don't think that because it's all they've done all night

Right?

http://i.imgur.com/giXs3MT.gif

[T*]

could y'all imagine if tomorrow in the highlights Raph's all 'it was part of my gameplan' in the diary room

[Denver]

People clearly don't think that because it's all they've done all night
All i get is you dont have a right to judge because you didnt sleep in a caravan with him

[Merry Mockmas]

So basically "Raph does something not very nice or says something not very nice which causes a debate on the forum like most other housemates and we'll get 'I was with him in a caravan I know him better."

WHAT a fun on season. :/

How about judging Raph on what he does in the house by himself rather than on tasks about his personal life, or VT's?

[smudgie]

Nope not at all. He was the one with commitments.

That's what I am trying to get to the bottom of.
Was he actually committed?
Not being awkward, but I just don't know, or indeed understand when having a bit of fun becomes a commitment.
If they all went to the same school then surely they all knew what was going on.
If the second girl was happy to sleep with him knowing he was already seeing another girl then she can't complain if he done the same to her.
Do you wear someone's badge if you are going out with them at school, saying you have exclusivity...I just don't know, things were different in my day.

[Jake.]

All i get is you dont have a right to judge because you didnt sleep in a caravan with him

That's "all you get"? Could you quote where you've got that?

[T*]

So basically "Raph does something not very nice or says something not very nice which causes a debate on the forum like most other housemates and we'll get 'I was with him in a caravan I know him better."

WHAT a fun on season. :/

yep. :facepalm:

[LukeB]

people can be negative about it no one said they can't
but friends can be loyal to him and defend him. which is what every housemates friends would do. but doesn't mean anyone condones it. it's really the same as supporting a hm really. I stanned Nicola and defended her but i didn't condone her comments

this is getting a bit more messy

[Drew.]

But yeah. I've been waiting for free shots.. ... just because eh?

So basically "Raph does something not very nice or says something not very nice which causes a debate on the forum like most other housemates and we'll get 'I was with him in a caravan I know him better."

WHAT a fun on season. :/

Ok then

[Jason.]

Likability (rightly or wrongly) does play it's part on how severe the reaction will be on the same scenario.

And also Jade was changing relationships in the house where as Raph is Showmance free so far.

I mean people were throwing that around as soon as she entered the house, when they didn't really know her. And I was referring more to her mentioning it general rather than her actions inside the house

[T*]

How about judging Raph on what he does in the house by himself rather than on tasks about his personal life, or VT's?

VT's are part of the show and literally how the housemates are INTRODUCED to us. We're allowed to read into it.

[Alf]

Raph is trending on Tibb

[Marsh.]

I remember people's reactions that series and Jeremy had almost nobody talking about him he was that dull, and Stephanie was hailed as some sort of bullied victim on here and was forgiven because of being bullied.
Well sort your memory out pal. :oh:

[Locke.]

All i get is you dont have a right to judge because you didnt sleep in a caravan with him

It's true though isn't it? You can't ever truly know a person until you've experienced a caravan in Dawlish Warren with them

[Marsh.]

How about judging Raph on what he does in the house by himself rather than on tasks about his personal life, or VT's?
Because they're part and parcel of the show too and we don't have those rules for other housemates? :/

[Amy Jade]

this is why people feel they cant say anything negative about him

I literally don't get this POV.

If he does something I dislike I'll drag him. If he does something I like I'll cheer him on.

Couldn't care less if his mates don't like it. He put himself forward for this.

[Jake.]

Everyone can literally say what they want though?

If you write something I disagree with then I can post my opinion and vice versa.

That's literally it.

[reece(:]

VT's are part of the show and literally how the housemates are INTRODUCED to us. We're allowed to read into it.

True, Chris BB15 VT rings a bell

[Denver]

It's true though isn't it? You can't ever truly know a person until you've experienced a caravan in Dawlish Warren with them

He put himself on TV and he wil be judge on how he is on TV

[Merry Mockmas]

VT's are part of the show and literally how the housemates are INTRODUCED to us. We're allowed to read into it.

I prefer to judge them in the house for how many weeks they'll be in there than some overproduced VT that every Housemates talks the big talk and then is nothing like that in the house 99% of the time.

[Marsh.]

That's what I am trying to get to the bottom of.
Was he actually committed?
Not being awkward, but I just don't know, or indeed understand when having a bit of fun becomes a commitment.
If they all went to the same school then surely they all knew what was going on.
If the second girl was happy to sleep with him knowing he was already seeing another girl then she can't complain if he done the same to her.
Do you wear someone's badge if you are going out with them at school, saying you have exclusivity...I just don't know, things were different in my day.
Well I don't think we're talking about Raph casually sleeping with one girl and then casually sleeping with another girl. THAT'S a bit of fun.

I would imagine the point you start referring to one another as your girlfriend/boyfriend would be when the commitment comes in.

There's a clear difference between a relationship and a casual fling but maybe that's just me.

[T*]

I prefer to judge them in the house for how many weeks they'll be in there than some overproduced VT that every Housemates talks the big talk and then is nothing like that in the house 99% of the time.

Good for you.

[Denver]

I prefer to judge them in the house for how many weeks they'll be in there than some overproduced VT that every Housemates talks the big talk and then is nothing like that in the house 99% of the time.

That makes them fake and boring if they have to lie on a VT

[Marsh.]

Ok then
And the purpose of you quoting those posts just to say that was?

Leave me to take my free shots at Raph... the guy I've never spoken to. Sheesh.

[Locke.]

He put himself on TV and he wil be judge on how he is on TV

What about people that watch on other devices?

[Jake.]

That makes them fake and boring if they have to lie on a VT

Well every housemate in the history of Big Brother has exaggerated or lied on a VT so no it doesn't

[Lostie!]

What about people that watch on other devices?

:joker:

[Jake.]

Good for you.

What was the point in this?

[Jake.]

What about people that watch on other devices?

:joker:

[Denver]

Well every housemate in the history of Big Brother has exaggerated or lied on a VT so no it doesn't

Not really only the dull people

[T*]

What was the point in this?

What was the point in this? :shrug:

[Merry Mockmas]

Because they're part and parcel of the show too and we don't have those rules for other housemates? :/

I think that it's kind of a basic rule for all of the Housemates, unless they're a murderer or a rapist their personal lives shouldn't be coming into Big Brother, and I don't get the point on watching 8 to 9 weeks of this series if we're gonna judge someone purely off of their VT?

[LukeB]

Everyone can literally say what they want though?

If you write something I disagree with then I can post my opinion and vice versa.

That's literally it.

It's what people have been saying but it's going around in circles. No one has said they are not allowed to write negative stuff because the can like any other housemate and people will defend Raph like they would do with a housemate they like. I don't see how it's all different really. Supporting a housemate doesn't entirely mean condoning comments either.

[Jake.]

What was the point in this? :shrug:

So essentially you're having a go at not being allowed an opinion yet you're shutting down Mock for having an opinion

[Jake.]

Not really only the dull people

You actually talk too much ****

[armand.kay]

But the members who don't like him very much are waiting on the edges of their seats for him to slip up because it's Raph

isn't that the same as when people have a bad first impression of someone and they jump on them for the first thing they do? (see jack bb15)

[Marsh.]

I think that it's kind of a basic rule for all of the Housemates, unless they're a murderer or a rapist their personal lives shouldn't be coming into Big Brother, and I don't get the point on watching 8 to 9 weeks of this series if we're gonna judge someone purely off of their VT?
It's not personal lives as such. It"s their character? Of course their lives and who they are is all encompassing. I would've thought that was fairly obvious.

Also it's information raph has volunteered. I'd feel a lot differently if it was information from a trashy tabloid thrown in there to catch him off guard. That would be out of order.

[Marsh.]

Good for you.
Alright Jade.

[Merry Mockmas]

That makes them fake and boring if they have to lie on a VT

Or that BB would've favoured another Geordie Shore wannabe caked in brown and entering Showmances, getting fake drunk, and then pissing the bed if he hadn't have made himself more VT friendly.

[Denver]

You actually talk too much ****

Just proving the point that when your friend gets called out you can not take the criticism

[smudgie]

Well I don't think we're talking about Raph casually sleeping with one girl and then casually sleeping with another girl. THAT'S a bit of fun.

I would imagine the point you start referring to one another as your girlfriend/boyfriend would be when the commitment comes in.

There's a clear difference between a relationship and a casual fling but maybe that's just me.

No, I get that Marsh, what I don't know is when it becomes a commitment.
I can see the first girl could feel she was in a relationship( again, I don't understand at such a young age why you would be committed) but if the second and third girl knew he was in it for the fun then I can't see a problem with it.
I guess I just can't see what the rush is to get into a committed relationship that young, I was all for a good time before I settled down.

[Locke.]

I see Raph is into 10/1 to win after tonights show, looks like this went down well after all

[Amy Jade]

It's what people have been saying but it's going around in circles. No one has said they are not allowed to write negative stuff because the can like any other housemate and people will defend Raph like they would do with a housemate they like. I don't see how it's all different really. Supporting a housemate doesn't entirely mean condoning comments either.

Not you ignoring people claiming anyone not praising him has been waiting to go on the attack.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

i think we can all agree that it's best raph is evicted on friday so we can go back to normal in terms of how we use the forum/stuff we say

[T*]

So essentially you're having a go at not being allowed an opinion yet you're shutting down Mock for having an opinion

I didn't shut him down, I was saying it was okay for him to have that opinion. Good for him!

[Jake.]

Just proving the point that when your friend gets called out you can not take the criticism

I'm saying that you're spouting rubbish as per, this time regarding people not playing up in their vts

Not like you to twist words though

[T*]

i think we can all agree that it's best raph is evicted on friday so we can go back to normal in terms of how we use the forum/stuff we say

^

[Jake.]

I didn't shut him down, I was saying it was okay for him to have that opinion. Good for him!

You didn't at all though

[Denver]

I'm saying that you're spouting rubbish as per, this time regarding people not playing up in their vts

Not like you to twist words though

He has gone in the house and so far come over as fake simply as that

[Drew.]

Just proving the point that when your friend gets called out you can not take the criticism

Friends with Raph or not lets not act like these types of threads dont happen every series